August 11, 2025 • 20 mins
Nestled within the historic walls of the Natchez Convention Center, the Veterans Sound Off Podcast captures the essence of service and sacrifice at the American Legion Department of Mississippi's annual convention. Host Jerry Allhands, himself a veteran of both the Air Force and Army, brings listeners into intimate conversations with those who've worn the uniform and continue to serve their communities.
The episode features a powerful interview with Van Alford, a Marine Corps veteran and survivor of the 1983 Beirut bombing. "Every day I think about it," Alford shares, his words carrying the weight of that tragic moment in military history. As a fourth-generation combat veteran whose son also served as a combat medic in Afghanistan and Iraq, Alford embodies the legacy of service that runs through so many military families. Despite his experiences leaving him 90% disabled, his continued commitment to the American Legion as an incoming State Historian demonstrates how veterans channel their experiences into continued service.
The spotlight also falls on Soldiers Freedom Outdoors, a remarkable volunteer-run nonprofit dedicated to "healing the hidden wounds of war." Army combat veteran Kevin Wittenberg and his wife Cindy explain how their organization provides free outdoor retreats and programs to all who've served, regardless of era or branch. Their inclusive approach – offering activities from blacksmithing to horseback riding, fishing to hunting – creates healing spaces where veterans reconnect with themselves and others through nature's therapeutic embrace.
Throughout the conversations, a powerful theme emerges: the profound sense of belonging that organizations like the American Legion provide. "I don't have family that lives in Anchorage, but the Legion is my family," one veteran shares. These communities become lifelines, especially when confronting challenges like veteran suicide – the "new war raging...in the hearts and minds of those who served."
Join us for this moving exploration of how veterans create meaning, find purpose, and build communities that understand their unique experiences. Subscribe to Veterans Sound Off Podcast to hear more stories of service, sacrifice, and the unbreakable bonds formed in and after uniform.
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Jerry Allhands (00:00):
This is the Veterans Sound Off Podcast.
I'm your host, jerry Allhands,a veteran of the US Air Force
and US Army.
I'm a past Department ofMississippi Commander of the
American Legion and apaid-up-for-life member of the
VFW.
Each week, I invite you to joinme as we visit with members of
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our veteran families and othergroups and organizations that
support military veterans.
This week I attended theAmerican Legion Department of
Mississippi's annual convention,held in historic Natchez,
mississippi.
It was in the NatchezConvention Center, where the
coffee was always hot and thepeople were great.
Hey, speaking of coffee, thisseries is made possible by the
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generous gifts and sponsorshipsof people just like you.
If you'd like to sponsor an adin this series, please call
662-902-6658.
Or you can become a sponsorsimply by clicking on the
Sponsor the Show button and youcan make a donation on our page
where it says Sponsor the Show.
Hey, we really appreciate yourhelp in making this program
(01:04):
possible.
I'm making the call.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Hard work, work.
It's a hard work manifest.
Hard work, work, Hard work.
We doing our best.
Hard work, work, Hard work.
That's what they say.
Hard work, work, Hard work.
I'm earning my pay.
Hard work, work.
Jerry Allhands (01:20):
It is my great pleasure to have sitting across
from me today.
Mr Van Alford and Mr Alford isa member of the American Legion
has held many positions here inthe Legion.
And it is a pleasure to see youhere today.
If you would tell me what postyou're with.
Van Alford (01:35):
I'm with Post 24 down in Hattiesburg.
We're the largest post in thestate.
Should be still, and I'm firstby Isaac, not currently, but
will be after this convention.
Jerry Allhands (01:49):
So we're going to get you installed as first
vice.
Van Alford (01:50):
Yeah, All right For the post, and I'll also be
installed as one of the stateofficers here at the convention
too.
I'll be serving under MarkHarrington, of course.
Okay, I'll be the storedirector.
Very proud to be a member,harrington, of course.
Okay, very proud to be a member.
I'm also a lifetime member ofthe VFW.
Four generations of combat vetsin my family.
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Wow, grandpa.
In France, dad was in the 155.
He served in Germany and I wasin the Beirut bombing.
Jerry Allhands (02:26):
Oh.
Van Alford (02:27):
Yeah, that was my claim to fame so to speak, but
anyway, survivor's Guild, Iguess you might say Not too bad,
but I have my moments.
Jerry Allhands (02:36):
Beirut was.
That was something.
Van Alford (02:39):
Yeah, every day I think about it.
I think, if I recall, Iprobably had some PTSD diagnosed
.
I don't remember, but I'mcurrently about 90% disabled.
Va takes really good care of me.
Jerry Allhands (02:53):
I like to hear that.
Van Alford (02:54):
They do.
I go to the Biloxi.
Jerry Allhands (02:57):
Being a veteran of Beirut, I'm assuming you were
a Marine.
Yes, how long were you in theMarine Corps?
Van Alford (03:03):
I was a junior officer at that time I was a
second lieutenant.
At that time, that was thebombing was October 23rd 83.
Sometimes I might forget thedate, but as far as thinking
about the bombing, yeah,incidents you'll never forget,
for sure, and I've talked toother veterans that witnessed,
you know, monumental things.
I guess you might say thatoccurred during their active
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duty service.
One of my uncles watched theUSS Forrestal burn back there in
Vietnam and he was on the USSGarishkini.
And I'm very proud also to sayI won't belabor the subject but
I've got quite a few relativesthat have been National Guard
members also served on activeduty.
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But most of my relative servicetime has been in the Navy on
active duty the three uncles,some of my mother's brothers and
then my dad.
And his next youngest brother.
They served in MississippiNational Guard.
Wow, keeping you in the familythat served in Mississippi
National Guard Wow.
Jerry Allhands (04:05):
Keeping you in the family.
That's what you're saying.
Yeah, and my youngest sonserved.
Van Alford (04:10):
He was a combat medic in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Wow.
He was with that 82nd.
It's almost like being a doctor.
Some of the things he told methey actually had to do an
amputation.
He had to assist with that.
Jerry Allhands (04:27):
Well as a fellow paratrooper.
I appreciate his service and Iappreciate yours.
Van Alford (04:31):
He's trying to get in med school right now.
A little bit late, but betterlater than never.
Jerry Allhands (04:36):
Okay, we're at the convention here in Natchez
today, meeting for the annualconvention, and if you would
tell me what you think of thefacilities here?
Van Alford (04:48):
They're nice.
One little negative.
I'm not trying to bust theirchops or whatever, but check-in
time for the hotel is, like theysaid, try about 3 o'clock, and
I'm not too happy with that.
Jerry Allhands (05:04):
A little hard, a little difficult, sir.
I said a little difficult there, I'm sure.
Van Alford (05:08):
Yeah, and everybody's the same way, and
they said maybe four.
I'm like what?
Well, I know they're doing alot of construction over there
there's plenty of room here inthis first time I've been in it
per se in the convention centerhere.
It's real nice.
What do you hope to experiencehere at the convention?
(05:29):
Of course I'll be installed asstate officer again, this time
as a historian, and look forwardto meeting other friends had
seen for a while.
Jerry Allhands (05:41):
What's the position of historian?
What does that entail?
Van Alford (05:45):
Basically travel with whoever's the commander of
historian.
What does that entail?
Basically travel with whoeversaid commander at that time,
which would be Mark Harrington,this time retired W4, the
Mississippi Guard, and ride withhim and take snaps, perhaps
make notes, visits and whateverthe notes that go with the
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photographs I take.
Jerry Allhands (06:08):
Okay, so you're looking forward to the travel.
Cindy Wittenberg (06:11):
Yeah, yeah.
Jerry Allhands (06:13):
Because I know my year as commander.
I travel a lot.
Mark's already talked aboutwhat he plans on doing, so
you're going to be busy.
Van Alford (06:20):
Actually he's got.
I think the current commanderdown at Petal also is Mike Wally
, and Mike and myself and Markknow each other real well and I
think Mike and myself are goingto be switching out a little bit
.
I'm not sure, I don't know, butanyway I'm available to ride
with Mark as much as I can.
Jerry Allhands (06:42):
Anything that you'd like to share with us as
far as the convention goes.
Plans for the weekend.
Van Alford (06:46):
Not this time.
Can't think of anything.
I probably will as soon as Iget up and walk away.
Jerry Allhands (06:50):
That's the way it works every time, Ben.
I appreciate you so much.
Van Alford (06:53):
You've done a good job as a podcaster and all that.
I appreciate that.
Wreaths Across America (06:56):
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Kevin Wittenberg (07:30):
I'm a veteran volunteer with soldiers freedom
outdoors and I've beenvolunteering for a bit over four
years now with uh, theorganization kevin, tell me, uh,
are you a veteran yourself?
Jerry Allhands (07:43):
yes, yes, sir, okay.
Kevin Wittenberg (07:45):
I'm a combat veteran Army artillery.
I was in the National Guardprior, but I have almost 16
years combined with both of them.
Jerry Allhands (07:53):
Well, thank you very much.
I heard you say combat.
Kevin Wittenberg (07:56):
Yes, sir.
Jerry Allhands (07:57):
Where did you serve?
Kevin Wittenberg (07:58):
So Afghanistan was twice.
Two deployments there and thenalso Iraq.
My first deployment was Kosovoand actually that's when 9-11
happened.
Jerry Allhands (08:08):
Okay, so you got the real wake-up call.
Kevin Wittenberg (08:10):
Yes, sir.
Jerry Allhands (08:11):
Yeah, tell me if you would.
Where are you from originally?
Kevin Wittenberg (08:16):
Originally from South Florida.
Doesn't sound like it?
No.
Jerry Allhands (08:22):
Sound like a northern South Florida.
Kevin Wittenberg (08:27):
How does a South Floridian get this, this
accent?
Because a lot of people from upnorth come down to vacation
down in south florida, the richpart of the country.
Right, correct, there you goappreciate you very much.
Jerry Allhands (08:33):
And who is this lovely young lady sitting beside
you who will not get on thecamera with us.
Kevin Wittenberg (08:37):
Uh, the one sometimes that doesn't claim me
is my wife, cindy wittenberg yes, I'm cindy wittenberg.
Cindy Wittenberg (08:44):
We are.
Our organization is SoldiersFreedom Outdoors and I've been
volunteering with them for aboutsix years.
Jerry Allhands (08:51):
Are you a veteran yourself?
Cindy Wittenberg (08:52):
I am not.
But, I've served beside myhusband for almost 23 years now.
Oh wow.
Jerry Allhands (08:58):
Thank you so much.
Appreciate you Becausesometimes the spousal service is
sometimes harder than ours.
Kevin Wittenberg (09:03):
Most of the time it is.
Cindy Wittenberg (09:04):
Yeah.
Kevin Wittenberg (09:04):
Because they don't get all of the information
, and then you know, so we canonly give them so much, and so
they have to just basically justsupport us in everything that
we're doing and keep the familytogether when we're over there
trying to keep everything elsetogether.
Jerry Allhands (09:17):
Has he said how much he appreciates you?
Cindy Wittenberg (09:19):
Yes, has he.
Does he prove it?
Jerry Allhands (09:20):
every year on wedding anniversaries and
birthdays.
Cindy Wittenberg (09:24):
He's got some work to do.
Jerry Allhands (09:26):
No.
Cindy Wittenberg (09:26):
I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
Jerry Allhands (09:28):
That's quite all right.
Tell me a little bit about yourorganization.
How did you?
Cindy Wittenberg (09:34):
get started.
So Soldiers for the Mount Doresstarted in 2011.
Our main location is Melrose,Florida.
Daniel DeMarco is our founder.
He was in the National Guard.
He got injured outside ofservice and was not able to
continue his career.
So he wanted to do something togive back.
So he started the organization.
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Our mission is to heal thehidden wounds of war.
We are a nonprofit organization.
We're all volunteers.
We do weekend retreats monthly.
We also have several programsthat we offer for families and
military children.
So everything is for servicemembers, veterans and their
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families.
Jerry Allhands (10:18):
What kind of events are we talking about?
Cindy Wittenberg (10:21):
So we have programs such as blacksmithing,
we have a Horses 101 forMilitary Children program and
then our weekend retreats areour main focus and that brings
in the veterans to kind of startthe healing process through
nature.
But we also do other activitieslike skeet shooting, hiking,
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fishing, hunting, pretty muchanything that's outdoors.
Jerry Allhands (10:47):
Wow, is this in a certain geographic area, or
how does that?
Cindy Wittenberg (10:52):
So we have a location in Florida and we also
have our location in MeridianMississippi.
However, we are open to allservice members and veterans.
If they are out of state andthey make it to one of our
locations, then everything elseis free.
Jerry Allhands (11:08):
Okay.
How does somebody become?
That's what I'm looking forhere.
How do they prove their needfor your services?
Cindy Wittenberg (11:20):
So they would take a look at our website at
soldiersfreedomoutdoorsorg andthey would visit the events
calendar.
If they're interested in one ofour events or programs, they
would apply and you either haveto be currently serving or
honorably discharged.
So they would send in theirdd214 and a photo id and once we
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receive that those documents inthe application we could do the
approval.
And it's pretty simple.
Jerry Allhands (11:49):
Okay, and on the website again
soldiersfreedomoutdoorsorg.
Soldiersfreedomoutdoorsorg.
I get that, yes, okay.
Kevin Wittenberg (11:59):
And you were just saying about how do they
prove their need.
So this organization is open.
We kind of don't haveboundaries, which means that
they don't have to show a need.
It's whoever served our country.
They raised their right handthat you know wants to serve us
and basically, for our freedom,they are eligible for this
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organization.
Cindy Wittenberg (12:22):
Yes, we are open to all service members and
veterans, regardless of era,branch of service or time served
.
You do not have to be a PurpleHeart, post-9-11, vietnam
veteran.
We don't have any stipulationson how you served or if you're
injured or not injured.
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It's open to everyone.
Kevin Wittenberg (12:45):
And we're nationwide.
So, like we were saying earlier, once you make it to one of our
locations and our locations arein three states right now, but
we also have people that donatetheir land out of state or their
fishing trips or on the coast,so it's completely open all over
the United States wherever wehave somebody that wants to
support our military.
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So once you make it to one ofour retreat locations or, excuse
me, one of our locations, theneverything else is free from
then on.
Jerry Allhands (13:15):
How did you become aware of our convention
here today?
Kevin Wittenberg (13:19):
So we actually were talking at a Yellow Ribbon
event, if I remember correctly,and one of the ladies had spoke
out Miss Debbie, I think it was.
Jerry Allhands (13:28):
Deborah Shilder.
Kevin Wittenberg (13:29):
Deborah correct Ladies spoke out Miss
Debbie, I think it was DeborahShulder, deborah correct.
So we were at one of those andwe were asked to come out and
speak.
And so we're like gladly,because we're trying to get our
information out there.
Most people don't know aboutwho we are.
We've been in Mississippi forover three years now and to this
day we had probably over 20people that said that they never
heard about us, didn't knowanything about us.
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We finally got the VA lastmonth, I think it was, and they
finally put us on their outreachprogram.
So if you go to the VA website,you can look for anything for
outdoors and you'll find ourorganization out there, okay, it
is my first time hearing aboutyou today too, so glad you're
here and that's been our thingis trying to get out there,
basically just trying to reacheverybody, you know.
Jerry Allhands (14:13):
Well, I know today is our first day.
We're just probably half anhour or so away from starting
the convention.
How has the process been foryou here today?
Kevin Wittenberg (14:20):
It's been really great.
So we've met a lot of servicemembers and their spouses and
supporters and it's great to seeall of that come together.
Jerry Allhands (14:30):
I wish that we can see that a lot more
nationwide, so will y'all behere the rest of the day and
tomorrow, or just?
Cindy Wittenberg (14:35):
yes, we will be.
Jerry Allhands (14:36):
Okay, all right.
Well, I'll make sure wementioned this inside there, and
I'm sure Debra's probablyinvited you to come and speak
for a moment.
Introduce yourself, but we needto fix that.
Kevin Wittenberg (14:46):
Come on around and join us over there.
Van Alford (14:51):
It's like family when you were in the military.
You form a bond and you allwatch each other.
That's the same with AmericanLegion.
Jerry Allhands (14:57):
Every time I come here I meet somebody
different.
I found the Legion to bewelcoming from the time I walked
in the door.
You need something.
That guy over there is the guy.
That guy's an electrician, thatguy's a plumber.
Oh, you've been having troubleswith the VA.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
That guy knows a good VSO.
It's been fun.
Kevin Wittenberg (15:11):
I mean we do a lot of stuff for the community,
we do a lot of support, we giveout a lot of money.
I really like that we go outand do volunteer work when we
can.
Wreaths Across America (15:17):
We do Memorial Day ceremonies, the
people that are involved arepassionate about helping
veterans helping their familiesand their communities.
I don't have family that livesin Anchorage, but the Legion is
my family.
Jerry Allhands (15:30):
What better way to meet people when you're new
to an area and also meet peoplewho have a shared experience
with you?
Wreaths Across America (15:36):
I think it's an incredible organization
and I'm proud to be a member ofit and honored and happy because
it really serves my joy to behere Thanksgiving and Christmas
and doing walks I think it's abig impact Picnics in the
summertime, fourth of July,memorial Day it's more family
oriented now.
Cindy Wittenberg (15:55):
It may sound cheesy but you know, I feel like
it's a place to belong.
I enjoy the company.
I enjoy the mentorship that Iget here.
Van Alford (16:03):
Searching for that brotherhood and I found it here
in the Legion and it gives me asense of security that
brotherhood can't be replacedanywhere else.
Jerry Allhands (16:13):
There's a respect and there's an
understanding that we are agroup of people that are here
for the community for ourveterans and for their families.
Wreaths Across America (16:21):
I want to come and get some peace and
quiet.
Oddly enough it's at the Legion.
I'd say that for many others,it's given a fantastic face to
this organization.
Van Alford (16:30):
I learned some very valuable information about what
family means to veterans and toeach other.
Cindy Wittenberg (16:38):
I feel, accepted and people want to know
what's going on.
I want to know what's going onwith them.
You feel like you're part of afamily, part of a community, and
it's really awesome to see thediversity in the room too.
Kevin Wittenberg (16:52):
I believe we're the future of the American
Legion.
We want to be out there.
We need to be out there.
It's exciting.
Jerry Allhands (16:57):
For more information on joining the
American Legion, go to legionorgforward slash, join or call
601-352-4986.
Again, that's 601-352-4986.
352-4986.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
When our nation's veterans came home from serving
their country, the AmericanLegion helped them with the GI
Bill to get a head start.
When they came home fromVietnam, we helped those
affected with Agent Orange toget care and compensation.
Now there is a new war raging.
Unfortunately, it is beingfought in the hearts and minds
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of those who served.
Veteran suicide is the mostimportant issue facing veterans
today, and too many are battlingit alone.
So join us, make the pledge, bethe one to help the American
Legion end veteran suicide.
Jerry Allhands (17:57):
Anything you'd like to add for today.
Kevin Wittenberg (18:00):
Just thanks to all of our service members and
everybody supporting ourmilitary.
It's been really an honor, aneye-opener so, to be able to see
you.
As a matter of fact, yesterdaywe got to speak with one of the
Marine Corps leagues and weactually got to meet one of the
Iwo Jima survivors.
So it brings me chills justtalking about that.
Cindy Wittenberg (18:20):
So he's turning 100 in September 100
years old in um September.
Kevin Wittenberg (18:25):
They've done a lot of articles um and
interviews with him as Mr uhWilliam Bird so it's just, it's
a, it's an awesome honor so tobe able to meet, to meet people
that actually grew up in thattime frame and what they had to
go through and that was mercy?
Jerry Allhands (18:42):
Yes, Definitely.
Well again.
Thank you so much and before wewrap up here, if you would tell
us how to contact you, Is therea phone number besides the
website, or just the website?
Cindy Wittenberg (18:50):
Yes, so you can.
We have the website.
It's soldiersfreedomoutdoorsorgand you can contact me
601-596-2406.
Jerry Allhands (19:01):
Because I'm really slow my hands.
You know I'm old, do it againyeah, give me your phone number
again.
Cindy Wittenberg (19:07):
Okay, 601-596-2406.
Jerry Allhands (19:12):
I think I got that one.
Kevin Wittenberg (19:13):
All right, and Kevin Wittenberg, 601-596-2588.
Jerry Allhands (19:21):
Same thing.
Do it again Because I'm slowI'm slow 601-596-2588.
Kevin Wittenberg (19:32):
Thank you, and yeah, anybody can reach out to
us, especially if the servicemembers that are in a bad spot,
you know they need somebody totalk to.
Feel free to reach out to us.
Jerry Allhands (19:43):
We've got follow-on resources that we can
help with also Be sure to joinme next week for more from the
American Legion Department ofMississippi Convention right
here in Natchez, mississippi.
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This is the Veterans Sound Off Podcast.
I'm your host, jerry Allhands,a veteran of the US Air Force
and US Army.
I'm a past Department ofMississippi Commander of the
American Legion and apaid-up-for-life member of the
VFW.
Each week, I invite you to joinme as we visit with members of
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our veteran families and othergroups and organizations that
support military veterans.
This week I attended theAmerican Legion Department of
Mississippi's annual convention,held in historic Natchez,
mississippi.
It was in the NatchezConvention Center, where the
coffee was always hot and thepeople were great.
Hey, speaking of coffee, thisseries is made possible by the
(00:42):
generous gifts and sponsorshipsof people just like you.
If you'd like to sponsor an adin this series, please call
662-902-6658.
Or you can become a sponsorsimply by clicking on the
Sponsor the Show button and youcan make a donation on our page
where it says Sponsor the Show.
Hey, we really appreciate yourhelp in making this program
(01:04):
possible.
I'm making the call.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Hard work, work.
It's a hard work manifest.
Hard work, work, Hard work.
We doing our best.
Hard work, work, Hard work.
That's what they say.
Hard work, work, Hard work.
I'm earning my pay.
Hard work, work.
Jerry Allhands (01:20):
It is my great pleasure to have sitting across
from me today.
Mr Van Alford and Mr Alford isa member of the American Legion
has held many positions here inthe Legion.
And it is a pleasure to see youhere today.
If you would tell me what postyou're with.
Van Alford (01:35):
I'm with Post 24 down in Hattiesburg.
We're the largest post in thestate.
Should be still, and I'm firstby Isaac, not currently, but
will be after this convention.
Jerry Allhands (01:49):
So we're going to get you installed as first
vice.
Van Alford (01:50):
Yeah, All right For the post, and I'll also be
installed as one of the stateofficers here at the convention
too.
I'll be serving under MarkHarrington, of course.
Okay, I'll be the storedirector.
Very proud to be a member,harrington, of course.
Okay, very proud to be a member.
I'm also a lifetime member ofthe VFW.
Four generations of combat vetsin my family.
(02:13):
Wow, grandpa.
In France, dad was in the 155.
He served in Germany and I wasin the Beirut bombing.
Jerry Allhands (02:26):
Oh.
Van Alford (02:27):
Yeah, that was my claim to fame so to speak, but
anyway, survivor's Guild, Iguess you might say Not too bad,
but I have my moments.
Jerry Allhands (02:36):
Beirut was.
That was something.
Van Alford (02:39):
Yeah, every day I think about it.
I think, if I recall, Iprobably had some PTSD diagnosed
.
I don't remember, but I'mcurrently about 90% disabled.
Va takes really good care of me.
Jerry Allhands (02:53):
I like to hear that.
Van Alford (02:54):
They do.
I go to the Biloxi.
Jerry Allhands (02:57):
Being a veteran of Beirut, I'm assuming you were
a Marine.
Yes, how long were you in theMarine Corps?
Van Alford (03:03):
I was a junior officer at that time I was a
second lieutenant.
At that time, that was thebombing was October 23rd 83.
Sometimes I might forget thedate, but as far as thinking
about the bombing, yeah,incidents you'll never forget,
for sure, and I've talked toother veterans that witnessed,
you know, monumental things.
I guess you might say thatoccurred during their active
(03:25):
duty service.
One of my uncles watched theUSS Forrestal burn back there in
Vietnam and he was on the USSGarishkini.
And I'm very proud also to sayI won't belabor the subject but
I've got quite a few relativesthat have been National Guard
members also served on activeduty.
(03:52):
But most of my relative servicetime has been in the Navy on
active duty the three uncles,some of my mother's brothers and
then my dad.
And his next youngest brother.
They served in MississippiNational Guard.
Wow, keeping you in the familythat served in Mississippi
National Guard Wow.
Jerry Allhands (04:05):
Keeping you in the family.
That's what you're saying.
Yeah, and my youngest sonserved.
Van Alford (04:10):
He was a combat medic in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Wow.
He was with that 82nd.
It's almost like being a doctor.
Some of the things he told methey actually had to do an
amputation.
He had to assist with that.
Jerry Allhands (04:27):
Well as a fellow paratrooper.
I appreciate his service and Iappreciate yours.
Van Alford (04:31):
He's trying to get in med school right now.
A little bit late, but betterlater than never.
Jerry Allhands (04:36):
Okay, we're at the convention here in Natchez
today, meeting for the annualconvention, and if you would
tell me what you think of thefacilities here?
Van Alford (04:48):
They're nice.
One little negative.
I'm not trying to bust theirchops or whatever, but check-in
time for the hotel is, like theysaid, try about 3 o'clock, and
I'm not too happy with that.
Jerry Allhands (05:04):
A little hard, a little difficult, sir.
I said a little difficult there, I'm sure.
Van Alford (05:08):
Yeah, and everybody's the same way, and
they said maybe four.
I'm like what?
Well, I know they're doing alot of construction over there
there's plenty of room here inthis first time I've been in it
per se in the convention centerhere.
It's real nice.
What do you hope to experiencehere at the convention?
(05:29):
Of course I'll be installed asstate officer again, this time
as a historian, and look forwardto meeting other friends had
seen for a while.
Jerry Allhands (05:41):
What's the position of historian?
What does that entail?
Van Alford (05:45):
Basically travel with whoever's the commander of
historian.
What does that entail?
Basically travel with whoeversaid commander at that time,
which would be Mark Harrington,this time retired W4, the
Mississippi Guard, and ride withhim and take snaps, perhaps
make notes, visits and whateverthe notes that go with the
(06:07):
photographs I take.
Jerry Allhands (06:08):
Okay, so you're looking forward to the travel.
Cindy Wittenberg (06:11):
Yeah, yeah.
Jerry Allhands (06:13):
Because I know my year as commander.
I travel a lot.
Mark's already talked aboutwhat he plans on doing, so
you're going to be busy.
Van Alford (06:20):
Actually he's got.
I think the current commanderdown at Petal also is Mike Wally
, and Mike and myself and Markknow each other real well and I
think Mike and myself are goingto be switching out a little bit
.
I'm not sure, I don't know, butanyway I'm available to ride
with Mark as much as I can.
Jerry Allhands (06:42):
Anything that you'd like to share with us as
far as the convention goes.
Plans for the weekend.
Van Alford (06:46):
Not this time.
Can't think of anything.
I probably will as soon as Iget up and walk away.
Jerry Allhands (06:50):
That's the way it works every time, Ben.
I appreciate you so much.
Van Alford (06:53):
You've done a good job as a podcaster and all that.
I appreciate that.
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Kevin Wittenberg (07:30):
I'm a veteran volunteer with soldiers freedom
outdoors and I've beenvolunteering for a bit over four
years now with uh, theorganization kevin, tell me, uh,
are you a veteran yourself?
Jerry Allhands (07:43):
yes, yes, sir, okay.
Kevin Wittenberg (07:45):
I'm a combat veteran Army artillery.
I was in the National Guardprior, but I have almost 16
years combined with both of them.
Jerry Allhands (07:53):
Well, thank you very much.
I heard you say combat.
Kevin Wittenberg (07:56):
Yes, sir.
Jerry Allhands (07:57):
Where did you serve?
Kevin Wittenberg (07:58):
So Afghanistan was twice.
Two deployments there and thenalso Iraq.
My first deployment was Kosovoand actually that's when 9-11
happened.
Jerry Allhands (08:08):
Okay, so you got the real wake-up call.
Kevin Wittenberg (08:10):
Yes, sir.
Jerry Allhands (08:11):
Yeah, tell me if you would.
Where are you from originally?
Kevin Wittenberg (08:16):
Originally from South Florida.
Doesn't sound like it?
No.
Jerry Allhands (08:22):
Sound like a northern South Florida.
Kevin Wittenberg (08:27):
How does a South Floridian get this, this
accent?
Because a lot of people from upnorth come down to vacation
down in south florida, the richpart of the country.
Right, correct, there you goappreciate you very much.
Jerry Allhands (08:33):
And who is this lovely young lady sitting beside
you who will not get on thecamera with us.
Kevin Wittenberg (08:37):
Uh, the one sometimes that doesn't claim me
is my wife, cindy wittenberg yes, I'm cindy wittenberg.
Cindy Wittenberg (08:44):
We are.
Our organization is SoldiersFreedom Outdoors and I've been
volunteering with them for aboutsix years.
Jerry Allhands (08:51):
Are you a veteran yourself?
Cindy Wittenberg (08:52):
I am not.
But, I've served beside myhusband for almost 23 years now.
Oh wow.
Jerry Allhands (08:58):
Thank you so much.
Appreciate you Becausesometimes the spousal service is
sometimes harder than ours.
Kevin Wittenberg (09:03):
Most of the time it is.
Cindy Wittenberg (09:04):
Yeah.
Kevin Wittenberg (09:04):
Because they don't get all of the information
, and then you know, so we canonly give them so much, and so
they have to just basically justsupport us in everything that
we're doing and keep the familytogether when we're over there
trying to keep everything elsetogether.
Jerry Allhands (09:17):
Has he said how much he appreciates you?
Cindy Wittenberg (09:19):
Yes, has he.
Does he prove it?
Jerry Allhands (09:20):
every year on wedding anniversaries and
birthdays.
Cindy Wittenberg (09:24):
He's got some work to do.
Jerry Allhands (09:26):
No.
Cindy Wittenberg (09:26):
I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
Jerry Allhands (09:28):
That's quite all right.
Tell me a little bit about yourorganization.
How did you?
Cindy Wittenberg (09:34):
get started.
So Soldiers for the Mount Doresstarted in 2011.
Our main location is Melrose,Florida.
Daniel DeMarco is our founder.
He was in the National Guard.
He got injured outside ofservice and was not able to
continue his career.
So he wanted to do something togive back.
So he started the organization.
(09:56):
Our mission is to heal thehidden wounds of war.
We are a nonprofit organization.
We're all volunteers.
We do weekend retreats monthly.
We also have several programsthat we offer for families and
military children.
So everything is for servicemembers, veterans and their
(10:17):
families.
Jerry Allhands (10:18):
What kind of events are we talking about?
Cindy Wittenberg (10:21):
So we have programs such as blacksmithing,
we have a Horses 101 forMilitary Children program and
then our weekend retreats areour main focus and that brings
in the veterans to kind of startthe healing process through
nature.
But we also do other activitieslike skeet shooting, hiking,
(10:43):
fishing, hunting, pretty muchanything that's outdoors.
Jerry Allhands (10:47):
Wow, is this in a certain geographic area, or
how does that?
Cindy Wittenberg (10:52):
So we have a location in Florida and we also
have our location in MeridianMississippi.
However, we are open to allservice members and veterans.
If they are out of state andthey make it to one of our
locations, then everything elseis free.
Jerry Allhands (11:08):
Okay.
How does somebody become?
That's what I'm looking forhere.
How do they prove their needfor your services?
Cindy Wittenberg (11:20):
So they would take a look at our website at
soldiersfreedomoutdoorsorg andthey would visit the events
calendar.
If they're interested in one ofour events or programs, they
would apply and you either haveto be currently serving or
honorably discharged.
So they would send in theirdd214 and a photo id and once we
(11:42):
receive that those documents inthe application we could do the
approval.
And it's pretty simple.
Jerry Allhands (11:49):
Okay, and on the website again
soldiersfreedomoutdoorsorg.
Soldiersfreedomoutdoorsorg.
I get that, yes, okay.
Kevin Wittenberg (11:59):
And you were just saying about how do they
prove their need.
So this organization is open.
We kind of don't haveboundaries, which means that
they don't have to show a need.
It's whoever served our country.
They raised their right handthat you know wants to serve us
and basically, for our freedom,they are eligible for this
(12:21):
organization.
Cindy Wittenberg (12:22):
Yes, we are open to all service members and
veterans, regardless of era,branch of service or time served
.
You do not have to be a PurpleHeart, post-9-11, vietnam
veteran.
We don't have any stipulationson how you served or if you're
injured or not injured.
(12:43):
It's open to everyone.
Kevin Wittenberg (12:45):
And we're nationwide.
So, like we were saying earlier, once you make it to one of our
locations and our locations arein three states right now, but
we also have people that donatetheir land out of state or their
fishing trips or on the coast,so it's completely open all over
the United States wherever wehave somebody that wants to
support our military.
(13:06):
So once you make it to one ofour retreat locations or, excuse
me, one of our locations, theneverything else is free from
then on.
Jerry Allhands (13:15):
How did you become aware of our convention
here today?
Kevin Wittenberg (13:19):
So we actually were talking at a Yellow Ribbon
event, if I remember correctly,and one of the ladies had spoke
out Miss Debbie, I think it was.
Jerry Allhands (13:28):
Deborah Shilder.
Kevin Wittenberg (13:29):
Deborah correct Ladies spoke out Miss
Debbie, I think it was DeborahShulder, deborah correct.
So we were at one of those andwe were asked to come out and
speak.
And so we're like gladly,because we're trying to get our
information out there.
Most people don't know aboutwho we are.
We've been in Mississippi forover three years now and to this
day we had probably over 20people that said that they never
heard about us, didn't knowanything about us.
(13:50):
We finally got the VA lastmonth, I think it was, and they
finally put us on their outreachprogram.
So if you go to the VA website,you can look for anything for
outdoors and you'll find ourorganization out there, okay, it
is my first time hearing aboutyou today too, so glad you're
here and that's been our thingis trying to get out there,
basically just trying to reacheverybody, you know.
Jerry Allhands (14:13):
Well, I know today is our first day.
We're just probably half anhour or so away from starting
the convention.
How has the process been foryou here today?
Kevin Wittenberg (14:20):
It's been really great.
So we've met a lot of servicemembers and their spouses and
supporters and it's great to seeall of that come together.
Jerry Allhands (14:30):
I wish that we can see that a lot more
nationwide, so will y'all behere the rest of the day and
tomorrow, or just?
Cindy Wittenberg (14:35):
yes, we will be.
Jerry Allhands (14:36):
Okay, all right.
Well, I'll make sure wementioned this inside there, and
I'm sure Debra's probablyinvited you to come and speak
for a moment.
Introduce yourself, but we needto fix that.
Kevin Wittenberg (14:46):
Come on around and join us over there.
Van Alford (14:51):
It's like family when you were in the military.
You form a bond and you allwatch each other.
That's the same with AmericanLegion.
Jerry Allhands (14:57):
Every time I come here I meet somebody
different.
I found the Legion to bewelcoming from the time I walked
in the door.
You need something.
That guy over there is the guy.
That guy's an electrician, thatguy's a plumber.
Oh, you've been having troubleswith the VA.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
That guy knows a good VSO.
It's been fun.
Kevin Wittenberg (15:11):
I mean we do a lot of stuff for the community,
we do a lot of support, we giveout a lot of money.
I really like that we go outand do volunteer work when we
can.
Wreaths Across America (15:17):
We do Memorial Day ceremonies, the
people that are involved arepassionate about helping
veterans helping their familiesand their communities.
I don't have family that livesin Anchorage, but the Legion is
my family.
Jerry Allhands (15:30):
What better way to meet people when you're new
to an area and also meet peoplewho have a shared experience
with you?
Wreaths Across America (15:36):
I think it's an incredible organization
and I'm proud to be a member ofit and honored and happy because
it really serves my joy to behere Thanksgiving and Christmas
and doing walks I think it's abig impact Picnics in the
summertime, fourth of July,memorial Day it's more family
oriented now.
Cindy Wittenberg (15:55):
It may sound cheesy but you know, I feel like
it's a place to belong.
I enjoy the company.
I enjoy the mentorship that Iget here.
Van Alford (16:03):
Searching for that brotherhood and I found it here
in the Legion and it gives me asense of security that
brotherhood can't be replacedanywhere else.
Jerry Allhands (16:13):
There's a respect and there's an
understanding that we are agroup of people that are here
for the community for ourveterans and for their families.
Wreaths Across America (16:21):
I want to come and get some peace and
quiet.
Oddly enough it's at the Legion.
I'd say that for many others,it's given a fantastic face to
this organization.
Van Alford (16:30):
I learned some very valuable information about what
family means to veterans and toeach other.
Cindy Wittenberg (16:38):
I feel, accepted and people want to know
what's going on.
I want to know what's going onwith them.
You feel like you're part of afamily, part of a community, and
it's really awesome to see thediversity in the room too.
Kevin Wittenberg (16:52):
I believe we're the future of the American
Legion.
We want to be out there.
We need to be out there.
It's exciting.
Jerry Allhands (16:57):
For more information on joining the
American Legion, go to legionorgforward slash, join or call
601-352-4986.
Again, that's 601-352-4986.
352-4986.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
When our nation's veterans came home from serving
their country, the AmericanLegion helped them with the GI
Bill to get a head start.
When they came home fromVietnam, we helped those
affected with Agent Orange toget care and compensation.
Now there is a new war raging.
Unfortunately, it is beingfought in the hearts and minds
(17:38):
of those who served.
Veteran suicide is the mostimportant issue facing veterans
today, and too many are battlingit alone.
So join us, make the pledge, bethe one to help the American
Legion end veteran suicide.
Jerry Allhands (17:57):
Anything you'd like to add for today.
Kevin Wittenberg (18:00):
Just thanks to all of our service members and
everybody supporting ourmilitary.
It's been really an honor, aneye-opener so, to be able to see
you.
As a matter of fact, yesterdaywe got to speak with one of the
Marine Corps leagues and weactually got to meet one of the
Iwo Jima survivors.
So it brings me chills justtalking about that.
Cindy Wittenberg (18:20):
So he's turning 100 in September 100
years old in um September.
Kevin Wittenberg (18:25):
They've done a lot of articles um and
interviews with him as Mr uhWilliam Bird so it's just, it's
a, it's an awesome honor so tobe able to meet, to meet people
that actually grew up in thattime frame and what they had to
go through and that was mercy?
Jerry Allhands (18:42):
Yes, Definitely.
Well again.
Thank you so much and before wewrap up here, if you would tell
us how to contact you, Is therea phone number besides the
website, or just the website?
Cindy Wittenberg (18:50):
Yes, so you can.
We have the website.
It's soldiersfreedomoutdoorsorgand you can contact me
601-596-2406.
Jerry Allhands (19:01):
Because I'm really slow my hands.
You know I'm old, do it againyeah, give me your phone number
again.
Cindy Wittenberg (19:07):
Okay, 601-596-2406.
Jerry Allhands (19:12):
I think I got that one.
Kevin Wittenberg (19:13):
All right, and Kevin Wittenberg, 601-596-2588.
Jerry Allhands (19:21):
Same thing.
Do it again Because I'm slowI'm slow 601-596-2588.
Kevin Wittenberg (19:32):
Thank you, and yeah, anybody can reach out to
us, especially if the servicemembers that are in a bad spot,
you know they need somebody totalk to.
Feel free to reach out to us.
Jerry Allhands (19:43):
We've got follow-on resources that we can
help with also Be sure to joinme next week for more from the
American Legion Department ofMississippi Convention right
here in Natchez, mississippi.
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