Episode 07A: The Gilded (C)age- 1800s Society with its beautiful lies and severe "truths"

Dearest Gentle Mayfairers,

It's time for a new episode and we kick off with a special series we have teased for quite sometime- The Gilded (C)age. Here, we talk about 1800s society as seen with our bon ton of Mayfair, London and all of its heart-aching facts, the veneer that paints the lives of aristocrats and the wicked games that one plays for life, love and all of the other trimmings.

Join us as we wax poetic about the marriage mart, the unspoken norms that we've seen so far on Bridgerton and other similar media. We will be back next week focusing on families beyond the Bridgertons and... well, tune in for the rest.

Yours truly,

The Whistledowners

Episode Transcript

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Dearest gentle listeners, we arethe whistledowners.
Like our predecessor Lady Whistledown, who breathes down
the necks of 1800s Mayfair society, we are poor, headstrong
women. On this podcast, we'll analyze
and discuss the complex and eyeball catching escapade that
is the hit Netflix show Bridget.Join us as we delve deeply into

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the show's plots, themes, characters, and more.
Are you ready? Let's begin.
Hi everyone. How's everyone doing?
Hi, nice to see you girls. Maybe we should start with the
talk of Emmys denomination just dropped.

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Well, not just dropped, it's about maybe a week or two weeks
out information at this point. But you know what, guys?
Very recent. All right, I got the list.
Outstanding production design for a narrative period of
fantasy program. The episode was Romancing Mr.
Bridgeton season 3 episode 6 outstanding choreography
scripted programming for routines.

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They give it specific routines butterfly ball, Eros, psyche,
jealousy, wedding, dance, and rejoining the Tun.
So Congrats Jack Murphy, outstanding for the period
episode Into the Light season 3 episode 8.
So John Glaser, as we well know,was primary costume designer and

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Amanda McClellan. I hope I got the name right.
And then costume supervisor OK, Costume supervisor Dougie Hawks,
associate costume designer George Sayer and assistant
costume designer Anthony Brookman.
Outstanding hairstyling for the episode, Old Friends.
An outstanding character voice over performance for the

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episode. Into the Light for Julie
Andrews. Or or rather, Dame Julie
Andrews. Yeah.
Congratulations. All the nominees I think like
seeing which episodes specifically they were
nominated. I think it's a good list
nomination wise. Like this is what I you know,
I'm sorry, but I will was very honest about me not really

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liking episode 6. So it makes, you know, me wonder
because I think previously premieres were the ones who were
submitted. So it's interesting that, you
know, they put down the romanticMr. Bridgeton.
You know, I don't want to say that it was a general opinion,
but from what I gathered, episode 6 didn't receive, you

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know, as much love as maybe the others, even from those who, you
know, like the season. So I kind of wonder what how do
you guys feel about it and if you know would maybe change?
The episode. I love season 3.
I think it was a really strong season.
And I think episode 6 was definitely the weakest episode
of the season narratively. And even like production design

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wise. It was it was beautiful
production design wise. But I thought that like if I
were to submit an episode for production design, it would be
the one with it would be like episode 3.
Yeah. The, you know, the balloon it
had, and maybe this is like I'm confusing cinematography with
production design, but I did really like the production

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design of the innovation fall. I thought that was really cool.
Yeah. And even like that choreography
I really love. I mean, Jack Murphy is amazing
and he's nominated for like multiple the choreography of
multiple incredible wedding dance.
And I think the dance that they're calling Jealousy must be

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dance with Dudley. I'll call and watch it.
That was beautiful choreography.Yes, it was that I I love that
whole scene so much. Yeah.
I'm a little surprised that Episode 6 is the one they did,
even like the episode that had the library.
What was that one Episode 4 like?
There were so many better episodes production design wise.
Episode 6. I'm sorry.

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Full Moon Ball, like in episode 2, might be, you know, one of
the most beautiful, gorgeous yeah balls we ever got.
Yeah, I and not seeing in the garden when they piss like the
design. Oh.
Yes, so beautiful, Such a lovelysequence and such a lovely.
I think I can see what they nominated Episode 6 four in
terms of production design because of the centerpiece of

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the Montreal Ball specifically for that.
I think because I think it's more of a practical, I think
because yeah, mentality of the effects not see because the
butterfly ball would have been, but it was a green screen with
the people that it was CGI. So.
But I do agree like episode 2 orepisode 3 would have been great
in the production design. Yeah.

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I would say also for episode 6 like Cressida's dress.
Yes, that is amazing, that dress.
That's a showstopper. Yeah, I admit, honestly, I
always had issue with the fact that they decided to, you know,
make the revelation in episode 6and then cut from it and have it

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at the start of episode 7. I think it would flow more
better if they, you know, kept it in episode 6 entirely.
And maybe it would also help episode 7 because nowadays 7 is
kind of a dramatic mess. But that's just my opinion so
I'm feeling out there. So I love episode 7.
It's like it it has like I thinkit's of the back half of the

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season 5 and seven, I think are both really, really good.
And I think the feet are a little bit weaker.
But I agree with you. I think they're assuming people
are binge watching so that they kind of see it all as like one
thing. But it was a really odd choice
to cut up that scene and to do. I actually kind of disagree.
I actually like the split in terms of like, not like writing

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wise, because think about it, it's kind of this anticipation
of like the previous moment where there is a danger.
And you kind of like if you watch it just on its own, if
you're with the character of Penelope, like if you watch it
from her perspective, the least thing she observes is having
Colin having followed her. And then you have that big drop

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like, you know that he knows, right.
So I think for a person who kindof watches and choose, that is
the perfect way to just anticipate, you know, because if
they if they had put the entire reveal at that point, a lot of
people would have to bid their time before they started episode
7. So I think.
Yeah, they're ending on a cliffhanger.

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Yeah, so that you watch. The next yeah, because they've
done it like for a similar thing, because sometimes occur
an audience can get so jaw dropped and so shocked, we would
have lost the magnanimity of what is happening when Colin
realizes that Penn is the one. I'm.
Serving wouldn't and it was suchan interview choice because
people, you know, reviewers wereonly watching the 1st 6 episodes

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I believe. I think that's why so.
What's a weird way for the reviewers?
It's a romantic show. I know it's a drama as well, but
season 1 had very similar thing like and all that controversial
things where, you know, in that episode, episode 6.
So they could have Episode 7, as, you know, kind of

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transitional period. I think Colin is forced, you
know, narratively to, you know, get over the thing just very
swiftly. I think many fans disagree with
this notion, but it felt to me this way.
And it's not helped by the fact that, you know, the reveal is
pushed to the start of Episode 7.

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Just my opinion, I stand by it. I'm sorry.
I mean, everybody has their feelings on that, Yeah.
But I honestly, I don't mind it.I mean, it's like, because the
thing of the matter is you're kind of, you are holding the
bomb of like, when is the whistle down gonna be revealed
to the ton? Because Cresada is taking the
rap for it. You're kind of realizing that

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there is a danger that the Bridgetans are about to be
targeted because we already knowthat Eloise kind of cut off a
friendship. There's that panic over there.
I think it was, I don't know, I don't want to get into make it
like make the argument and I'm like, there's no right opinion.
I think there was. I think maybe on a good day,
yes, it would have been nice that the whole moment was
explored together. But I I understand where it was

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coming from because it's kind oflike the cats out of the bag.
Take a breather. Let's see what it's, you know
what's in store because then that made episode 7 because you
know, now that something like, you know, you cannot be more at
rock bottom because now your couple is kind of on the rocks,
you know, because. But that still works if you put

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the entire reveal, you know, episode.
And let's be honest, episode 6 is like weirdly boring, like
Eloise and fan have their reconciliation, nothing happens.
And then you have that bomb and,you know, you just step away
from it and then say episode 7 is forced to gravitate through

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the reveal, Colin's feelings, their separation, the entire
wedding coming over. So, you know, that makes Episode
7 very dramatic and very emotionally charged, while
Episode 6, you know, for me, forsome portion of it, it was kind
of a nothing burger fest. But I'm sorry, just my opinion.

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We should. We should.
Probably get. I know, but I see, look, I
unders I I can agree with you. Episode 6, nothing really
happens, But I think for the binge, I think they put in a lot
for the binge watch because episode 5 is a lot.
It's it's a lot in terms of the tension.
It's a lot in terms of the charades.
I actually got a little bit of apanic attack like Ben when I

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first watched the scene. It's too much that episode 6 is
kind of just as a thing to for you for the audience to relax,
just kind of like pick up the pieces and kind of understand
that no matter whatever happens,this is who they are without the
conflict. This is what Paul and rocks.
Yes, rocks. I actually don't have a strong
opinion about whether they should have split up the scene

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or kept it. I think if they had kept the
whole scene ending with I'll Never Forgive You in Episode 6,
that would have been my preference.
But I could see, I guess I can see maybe why they did it the
way they did. It's not, it's not that big a
deal to me because I think most people just binge.
Watch straight. Through So it's just like a
small interruption, you know, they did that so people would

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like flip to the next episode. You know, maybe who knows?
A lot of these, like Netflix decisions can be a little
cynical. However, I think that my big
problem with episode 6 is that it could have been like a really
sweet honeymoon. Like episode 5, for all that
it's like 10 times. It has so many like good moments
for them. It has like the mayor scene
before the mayor had seen. It has Colin telling off
Porsche. It has Colin talking to his

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brothers about Penelope. Like it has all of this good
stuff in it. And then episode 6, like you
kind of barely see pollen. I think that's like the episode
that they are in the league actually of all of the episodes.
And they and because she's like pretending to be sick, they're
not spending a lot of time together.
And I'm like, this was their opportunity.
Have them be together so we could see they are, you know,

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see them in that honeymoon bubble more before the SHIT hits
the fan, you know, but they didn't do that.
Instead, we got like a ton of like all of these side stories.
And I was there was 1 moment that I love in that episode,
which is like the church where she tells them that she always
loved him. That moment was beautiful,
perfectly done. One of my favorite moments of

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the season of the entire series.However, that's like one of the
few moments of them that we get.And then also there's obviously
this like shadow hanging over everything.
So by the end of episode 6 when they're out that ball and
Cressida comes in, which is a really cool scene.
I'm like sick at this point. I'm like he has not told him.
This is going to be horrible. Because.

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I can't enjoy anything. It's so times.
I cannot enjoy the side stories because every second that we
spent with a different characterin Episode 6, I was like, I
don't care. When is time going to tell
Colin, you know, like, so it wastoo much.
It was too much tension. I kind of wish that they had
done the reveal early here, maybe like at the end of somehow

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It's hard for me to say. I wish they'd done it at the end
of episode 5 because episode 5 to me is like a perfect episode
of Bridgerton. Maybe like the best episode of
Bridgerton, but it's not necessarily my favorite episode
of Bridgerton. That's probably like episode 3
of Season 3. But it it's to it's to me, I
think like the best written episode.

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I don't know. I don't know.
But episode 6, yeah, is a dud. So yeah, you go from the high
of. Five to the lowest, Like what's?
Even happening? Yeah, I know.
It's a trick, I think. But that's the the problem with
the TV show that sometimes, you know, you have to follow certain
rules like audiences need to reset.
And I think the showrunners werelike, OK, we've, we've done a

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really great episode of television and we we can't
diminish the fact that especially those who have
anxiety attacks like Penelope, right?
So sometimes. I did literally have a panic
attack at the end of episode 5. I was like.
You didn't lie. I basically called it out like
they're gonna have, you know, Kristina announcing at the end

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of Episode 5 Conan is going to realize at the end of Episode 6.
Like basically I called it out the minute I saw Part 1 and I
just told my friend like, this is going how it's going to work
in my opinion. And then basically it happened
like, you know, issue that they kind of kept the whole reveal,
you know, at the start of episode 7.

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This is. This is one thing that makes.
Me, yeah. They're very strict on this show
about story structure, I think because they have 8 episodes so
they have to be economical everyseason.
So it's like, pretty easy to predict, you know, like, yeah,
if you're like, paying attentionto the narrative.
Structure of the. Show but I'm said he was mad for
so longer like why doesn't keep them apart until the end of
episode 8? I was like, have you watched

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the? First two seasons.
Because like that happens every.That's like the structure.
Of the show. Exactly.
But okay, why don't we cap off this sequence before we get back
into the gilded cage? Yes, our discussion.
But for you rocks, I think I'm. From two season 3 discussion.
Yeah, there's no, we kind of getcarried away.
So I will just very briefly summarize the entire Emmy talk.

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Basically, the process works like this.
The production submits possible candidates for categories, while
the Academy itself accepts certain ones as nominations,
which is the five we talked about in this episode.
Importantly, I kind of get confused and carried away.

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The episode submitted by the Bridgeton production for
writing. In fact, the last episode, Into
the Light, meaning episode 8. As for the eventual wins, we
would have to wait until September.
Romancing Mr. Bridgeton is submitted and nominated for the

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production design, not the writing.
The show so far had 20 nominations overall, meaning the
ones which were submitted by theproduction and accepted by the
Academy. However, the show itself had
only 2 events so far, both regarding the hair styling.

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Anyway, thank you so much for listening and on with the show.
But one more thing is that what I wanted to tell you is that
don't worry, I think I know we didn't get a lot of good pollen
moments because it was always onedge with their season.
But I think they are going to bethe couple that stays because,
you know, Penelope is Whistle down like she is the 1.
And I think they're going to create a bigger story for lady

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Whistle down because she's our narrative device, right?
So I do think we're going to seePollen a little more than the
other two couples, like no offense, like Anthony or
Saffney, I think I don't know when they'll come back in.
But yeah, let's open the can of words.
Yeah, I hope you're right. Though I hope you're right,

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yeah. But I do, I will continuously
reassure you about that. I think the second thing also is
that I do wish they changed the format a little bit.
I know there's a narrative structure, it's a great
narrative structure, but there has to be something where you
break the rules a little bit. Well, hopefully like in the back

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half of the season, like with Season 5 onwards, there's
something a little different. So who knows?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hope so too.
I think like they could execute with season 4.
It's hard to see how they would do that because like they kind
of can't get together until the end of the story.
But I think that starting with like, I think Eloise's book
actually has like a very different structure than the
others. And so they could.

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Really start. Playing around or even
Francesca's right, those two do have very different structures,
so they could definitely switch things up a lot narratively in
terms of those two. They kind of alluded to it.
Could we do a little bit of a catching up?
Oh, go, go ahead, I'll. Oh, it's just work's been kind
of like stressful because like acouple months ago I took on a

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new row and then I just have like lot to do and lot to learn.
And then like people's been calling in sick.
And then the other day my because there's only two of us
in the front. So someone called in sick and I
had a whole bunch of work to do.I was in the middle of a phone
call and people came in and I was like, great.
I had to hang up on the person and then and talk to the person

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who came in and I was just like,this is this is too much for me
right now. Oh boy.
Well. It's gonna it's more just one of
those days. Yeah, it happens.
Yeah, spoiler, how have you been?
Pretty well, basically one of mybest friends just, you know,
called us and said that she's engaged.

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So I was very happy for her. And then I just, you know, got
scared being like, Oh my God, I,you know, do not have experience
with this. We need to call on a meeting.
I don't know, do we give gifts or what's, you know, what's the
process? So I was just backing up around,
but I wish her, you know, I wishher the best.
I wish back to. One friend.

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So yeah, basically, I was a bit overwhelmed, but of course, I'm
happy for her. Like, you know, she's the 1st.
And we were kind of making jokesregarding who's going to be
first, you know, So it ended up her being her.
And now I do not know really. You know, I don't want to
overwhelm her. So do I congratulate her?

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Do I, you know, spam memes abouther no longer being single?
I'm not certain. Box, how have you been?
I had a good week. I had like a good, I try not to
work and talk about work too much here, but I had a good
fundraising week and I wrote a donor update I was really proud
of and I loved. I like to write and I not, I

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don't always love to write at work, you know?
But in this case, this was like a satisfying 1 and it got like
good feedback from people. So that was always nice.
That's always nice one. Like when you do fundraising
work, you just send a lot of stuff out and not all of it gets
like a big response, right? Because people are busy, you
know, everyone's e-mail inbox iscluttered with junk.

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But so then when you do get a lot of people saying like, Oh my
gosh, like this is great work like that your organization is
doing or whatever, that's alwaysgratifying.
And then on a personal level, I,I have been planning my Sonny's
4th birthday party and somethingI, yeah, it's been really fun
and sweet and like something I never really knew, I guess.

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Like maybe I just never had an outlet for it before.
Is that like I've become quite like the Pinterest mom like?
No, like, I'd like learning how to do arts and crafts in a way
that was like, that was like never who I was.
But it turns out I really enjoyed that stuff.
So I have all these crazy like, DIY plans for his birthday.

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There's like this kind of safarithemed show on PBS, which is our
public broadcasting system in the US recently defunded.
So, so people, if you're listening in America and you
love Sesame Street, please give money to your local PBS station
because so that they can stay alive and.
Oh, my goodness. Sesame Street is, you know,

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endangered. That's that's, you know,
international news. I know, right?
Like, yeah. Can we know system is St.
Like things are so bad in America that Sesame Street is
endangered, guys. There's a show on on there
called Wild Kratts and it's likethese two guys that travel the
world like being conservationists basically and

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like interacting with animals and he's obsessed with it.
And so we're doing a wild crab saved birthday party.
But because it's like not a verycommercial like show, there's
not that much stuff out there. So I have to like DIY a lot of
stuff and but I've been having alot of fun doing that.
I made like multiple trips to the craft store this week and

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like to our local like dollar store to try to.
I don't know, there's going to be like tiny animals on his cake
and all this stuff though. That's going to be.
The funny thing is that I got reminded of my own 4th birthday
party I when I was growing up. My mom.
Yeah, no, I remember. I do remember because I, my
brother and I used to have teen birthday parties and it always

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was number related or something that we were obsessed with.
My 4th birthday party was Red Riding Hood.
So so. Cute.
Yeah. And my mom literally made like
patchwork items for each kid. Like she handmade like red capes
and like for wolves for the boys.
And it's like, yeah, she used tohand make everything for each

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party. And we still keep some of this
stuff. Wow.
So it's like a little. So this is making.
Me so happy that maybe someday he'll remember all the effort I.
Put into this birthday. Let's hope this chose memory,
not mine. Like I do not remember birthday
for most of my. Yeah, funny thing is, I had a
big tobia of balloons. So like every time there's, you

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know, like a pinaras that you have with big like those
balloons that pop, everybody is at the forefront.
The birthday girl is right at the back, closing her ears and
hoping it's over. Over.
It's over. Well, all the best.
Yeah, I'm sure. I love crafting, so you're gonna
have a lot of fun, I guess, like.
I'll update next time I'll come with a demonstration of 1 of

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Minecrafts or something else. Yeah, you should.
Expect me to spend some pictures, yeah?
The birthday is not until September.
That right, I'm already behind schedule.
I'm gonna just close it up by saying I just finished work
actually at my old job and I'm actually just packing up now to
get ready for the Fringe Festival.
So it's it's not been a very great start of the week for me,

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but the 16th of July was one of my most favorite thing because
like if you guys are Bridget andgirlies and you guys are to
summer, I turn pretty girlies. We've got the 1st 2 episodes of
that show and I binge watched itlike so many times.
So so now. And my 12 year old self, the one
who read the books at I think 11or 12, who like was in the

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library in the blistering heart on her knees reading the
chapters was just jumping insideof me.
And the person who was a big fanof the show also was jumping
inside of me. Could I give a shout out to one
of my like the podcasts Like so for those who love the summer I
turn pretty, you guys need to check out this podcast, It's
better with glasses hosted by Vicki, Vicki and Casey Bazalia.

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I met I had the chance to meet them like online in person.
So if you want to listen to a little baby me visiting her
first, like official celebrity of thoughts, the episode is
there. It's I'll link it to this
episode. But do check them out and it's
they're one of the main reasons why I wanted to get into
podcasting. So that's why I wanted to shut
them out because they shout out.Awesome basically means that we

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owe them our existence. But the way they analyze the
characters, the way they like humanize everything, it's like
kind of seeped into my like analysis of creatures.
So it was like a it was a beautiful thing during because I
was quite lonely during my the summer, like when I was doing my
dissertation during my M LED. So listening to them was just
like really beautiful. So they they are my like my

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favorite podcast. So do check them out.
And I think for you guys, I'll recommend waiting till the whole
season is out if you guys want to check out some item ready so
that you can watch all seasons like in one go.
Because I'm I'm already like I'mI feel like I'm in withdrawal
after I can't wait for the episode to drop this Wednesday.
So there we go. OK, so let's move on to our

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discussion on the gilded cage. So should we talk about the
families or should we talk aboutmarriage?
Like what would you like to discuss?
Spoiler lead the way. As is quite usual for us, we
have talked a bit longer than weanticipated.
In this first episode, we will discuss mostly historical
inaccuracy and accuracy in in the World of Bridgeton, how the

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show handles Regency era realities and how it operates
with them in this show. In future installments, you can
anticipate a talk of societal expectations placed on the
characters within this universe,as well as how it impacts the

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families of the town. We would also dive into the
aspect of marriages and courtship in the world of
Bridgeton. However, as I said, in this
episode, we mostly focus on the world itself.
Thank you very much and on with the show.
We will discuss how you know these very privileged people

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are, you know how to put it, nicely screwed over.
In the. System we acknowledge that, you
know, people from low crosses had it much worse.
I mean, what I like about Bridgeting, it's not like it's,
it's showing the the reality of the real stuff that's happening.
Like, even though like people ofcolor are integrated in this

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society, there are still instances of of racism,
especially in the prequel. And I've said this before,
there's also this misogyny that continues to feel women are
viewed as property. All of those things which
continue to still exist in pockets, like across reality.
That's like a thread. This is what has happened even

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now, which is combat. We have something called the
hashtag me too movement. We have something we were able
to speak out. It's being taken seriously, but
it was not taken as seriously. It was just considered a fact.
So I think to show that it's still, those parts still exist
more than what Napoleon was doing or this and that.
It's not like something that really irks me.

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Like I don't know whether you guys agree with this, but I
think it's more like of seeing, especially I think because I'm a
woman of color to see classism because again, like we have a
lot of classism and we do have, I don't want to get too much
into nuances because we have something Hindus versus Muslims
sometimes it's kind of led to the whole portion of India and

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Pakistan. So do you have those these
problems that we see in our daily life?
That's can you see, I think that's one of the like things
that Britain does quite well. And I would actually when we get
do get to the thing of families because we see each family deal
with those certain form of issues.
But anyway, Elle, do you have anything about historical

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accuracy, Anything else like that?
Well, I mean, like, I don't expect it to be historically
accurate, like, you know, but like I think we'll touch on it
as we go on because I feel like there are some that like, like
it is kind of, but is it like, yeah, for the modern audience or
they. Sometimes play it one way and

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sometimes the other. That's kind of, you know, hard
to keep track of. Yeah, because you do not never
know. I think it's especially not true
when there are discussions whichare heated and the fandom and
people are right, this is actually accurate.
But when they would, you know, care about accuracy.
And this makes the discussing this show a bit hard for me

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personally. That's.
So true. We basically, yeah, it's like
whatever they need at the moment, yeah.
It's just like, because I reallylike, because I've been to like
historical fashion. So like there's stuff like I, I
watch a lot of Youtubers that talk about it and some of them
are like, Oh no, like this silhouette, like if you're an

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aristocrat, this could actually happen because they can afford
it. If you're like the rule of
talking about like the poor disturbance, dressing up like
that, maybe, you know, but like it also depends on the family.
But like there are like the taun.
So like they're like not like landed Gentry.
They're like up there with the royalties.
So like they can afford a lot ofstuff.

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So I was like, you know, I'll suspend some of my beliefs and
be like, OK, yeah, that not sureabout the sparkly makeup, but,
you know, and the critic nails, but yeah.
Sorry, spoiler, go ahead. I just wanted to say that, you
know, regarding upcoming season 4, we know that that will be at
least partly about class divide.Yeah, yeah.
And I think this is very good point when we should be like,

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how accurate can they be, you know, in the world they
established Because we know, andI don't want to spoil in this
video too much, but we know enough that Benedict storyline
is mostly about class divides. And they alluded to that being,
you know, the issue. But we know that they kind of,

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you know, leap logically with issues being issues in this
show. Of course, we know season 2 when
Anthony almost marries Sedrina, it's a big scandal.
But then it's kind of, you know,polished, brushed over in a way
that would be a bit, you know, hard to do in the real time in

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the real circumstances. So we do not know, you know, if
it didn't, wouldn't hurt the storyline, how will they do it?
Go ahead, rocks or two. Rocks, go ahead.
You go ahead. I think they, I think the
classified one is 1, where they,unlike other sort of elements of
historical accuracy, I think they have the potential at least

(31:18):
to deal with it in a serious way.
And I think the reason is because it's central to the love
story. I think one thing I realized
when I first started watching Richardson, I think I told you
guys, I bounced off of it at first.
Like I watched the 1st 2 episodes and then I didn't watch
it again for like a year. And part of it was that I was so
used to watching. I was such like a period drama

(31:38):
girly, you know, I was so used to watching shows that kind of
take the period very seriously and that have like Napoleon, the
military, the church, like all of these elements.
And so I still sometimes have those moments where I'm like, Oh
my gosh, like Napoleon exists, guys.
But for the most part, I kind oflike came to terms with it.
And I think one reason I came toterms with it was AI realized

(31:59):
like they're just really playingin this fantasy ROM.
Like from moment one, when you see that, that there's like a
real Wes Anderson vibe to the costumes, you know, like the
very first scene of Season 1. And This is why the season 3
costumes don't bother me becauseit's been like that from the
beginning, you know, And also I realized that one of the things
that Shonda Rhimes did with the show and one of the reasons that

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the show doesn't really go into things like Parliament or
whatever is because it's a very female centered show.
Women were not in those, you know, circles.
It really is focused on like thelives of women.
And it's very relationally centered and in a way that's
kind of progressive and revolutionary, right?
So it's like it is concerned with the relationships between
people. It doesn't really care what

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Anthony is doing in Parliament. And like, in a way, I, I, I find
that like, a little revolutionary in the way that
like Sex in the City was a little revolutionary in the 90s.
And I I really like that about it.
I would say, you know, I did not, you know, say that this
isn't the reason, but I think the main reason is because
British politics, you know, regarding of what you know, take

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will they take could be controversial.
So it's better not to acknowledge what they're doing
in Parliament, right? How they're, you know, yeah, how
they're, how they're really pissed at the American colonists
and stuff like that. Like, yeah.
And also for like, because actually I think I think British

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like people were kind of invading India at the same time.
That's very. True.
Yeah, I think it was maybe shortly beforehand, but yeah,
it's definitely close to that period.
And I don't want to say, you know, because I'm not certain.
I think that it's so. British officials, they were
British because. Already.
Yeah. They do.

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Magic kids, Dad. Yeah, it actually began in the
2nd century. Basically the.
Worst atrocities were to come, but there's also like.
If I remember my history correctly, like King George the
Third, there was issues with people even like the the
peasant, the lower class didn't like him because he took a lot
of farm lands away and they gaveit to the aristocrats.

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Like, oh, I want to be a farmer,George.
That's where it comes from. Because he would say I'm going
to be a farmer and be like, on paper it sounds good, but he was
actually taking land away from people.
I could be wrong, I'm not British, I didn't go through the
UK system, it's just what I remember learning briefly.
This kind of, you know, recalls back to the title of the

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episode. It's kind of a play on, you
know, the Gilded Age, which is actually a period, you know,
after Bridgeton very briefly edited period.
Anthony is, you know, near the end of this life in his 90s,
maybe 80s. So, you know, we're very far
off. We're more concerned regarding,

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you know, the metaphorical usageof the world.
So my first question to you guyswould be, how do you think you
know any character you know of your choice is kind of trapped
in this gilded cage? OK, so I mean, this is for
mostly for the Ben Orfi fans. And what I'm more excited for in
season 4 is Sophie because one, she is an illegitimate child,

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she is punished for that to no fault of her own.
And yes, the society provides a thing that she need like the oil
or whoever who has fathered her needs to provide her.
Apparently not caring for a bastard child is worse than
having a bastard child. That's what has been established
in season 1. Sophie even with whatever

(35:33):
limited resources she's given, she's taken like a lot of other
people take it away from her like adamant pushes her as to
become a maid. She, she all of that, you know
that she is entitled to a dowry in the book.
There's a few book spoilers he'skicked out with nothing to show

(35:53):
for which she takes his side of freedom.
Trigger warning for those like she's almost assaulted by her
latest employer, which is apparently it's nothing
uncommon. She's in love with the man who
they cannot be. That is the whole point of the
forbidden love. So I think she's the one who
gets a lot of grievance, I think, from the system.

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So. But the fact is, I think what
makes us so unique, because I think from all the teases that
we know that she's not using it as an excuse to paint herself as
a victim. She continuously finds a reason
to hope in humanity. She's looking for the next mess
thing. So I think that's one of the
examples I would find that she is the person who is the most

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affected because she's illegitimate.
She's an illegitimate. Like her legitimacy, through no
fault of her own, besmirches hercompletely.
You know, a place in society. So that's my fault.
That's interesting because you know, if she is Earl's daughter
and without any other context, you know, people would think of
maybe you know, someone akin to Daphne, like her pressures on,

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you know, the building, etcetera.
But of course, she's illegitimate, which doesn't mean
anything in our modern world. But this is a very different
world when, you know, it mattersa lot who your parents are and
if they are married when you are, you are conceived when you
are born. And I wonder how they will
approach it because Sophie in the men in some ways might be

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having it worse than, you know, people who were born in, you
know, lower class without their parents ever being privileged
because she, you know, gets in her position because she is
hated by her menta due to her being, you know, their Earl's
daughter. We don't know how they will
approach it at the show, but I think they will not change this

(37:47):
fact. Anyone else rocks?
I mean, I think just to say likethe obvious, I I definitely did
think of like Daphne in the, youknow, when we thought about this
topic and like all of the women in this show.
And there's like a great quote that, you know, this show is
like very explicit about its stuff in the themes, obviously.
And there Daphne has this great quote when she's like post

(38:09):
writing with Anthony in the first season where she says,
like, you have no idea what it is to be a woman.
This is every all that I am. This is all that I've been
raised for. I have no other value.
And it's like the you do see in the first season, it really
establishes the stakes for thesedebutantes.
They're basically training, you know, to become wives and like
secure their futures. They're marrying their families

(38:32):
futures as well. And it's like the incredible
pressure that is on them to marry.
Well, this is like a time, at least if we go by Jane Austen
novels, when like love marriage was becoming more popularized
through the like the, the, the romanticism, the romantic
movement, romanticism as we knowit and like ideas of like

(38:53):
individual autonomy and stuff. But especially for this
particular class, you know, the top 1% marriage was still very
transactional. And they are so limited by that
and by the strict rules of the world.
And then the other thing that came to mind for me was like,

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you see the gilded cage with like the second sons, Benedict,
you know, the second and third son, who are both people who
want to, like, do something in the world, but who are very kind
of tampered by the fact that they, like, imagine who they
would be if they lived in the modern day and could work, you
know, And they both do find thatin the end, right?
Like Benedict becomes a painter and Colin becomes a writer, they

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do both find ways to find purpose.
But like that purposelessness was such a big part of of that
sense of purpose. Purposelessness and uselessness
was such a big part of Collins story and I think probably will
be a big part of Benedicts too. And it's a little historically
inaccurate because as we know, in reality, a lot of the second
and third sons went into the military or the church.
Neither of those institutions really exist in Richardson

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Bridger. The world of Bridgerton a little
bit heightens this, you know. But in truth, it was true that
like the aristocracy, they were like.
Forced almost to be idle, right?And at the same time they were
incredibly exploitative of all of the other classes as well of
Britains colonies, which maybe don't exist in this world.
But you do see how like, that kind of idleness probably is

(40:23):
like corrosive to the human spirit, you know?
That's not good. For you.
This is 1.2 rocks it. I won't take two minutes, just
one minute, even in the modern thing.
I think what is so interesting about like Benedictine Colin is
that even if they were in the, if they were given the
opportunity, this is not like totrash them or anything because

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they come from the Bridgetans. Like each of the bridge.
They're so sheltered. They have to be in the real
world to understand what's goingon because a lot of the time
Colin doesn't understand what Marina was under pressure like
because you know what she was dealing with.
He was just hurt. I would.
Disagree with that, I say. Colin's very understanding of

(41:05):
Marina, actually. So Oh yeah.
But no, no, no but. Maybe let's don't press it up,
but I thought it was incredibly understanding.
Yeah, but even Benedict was kindof judging Sir Granville right,
for having an affair with another man while he's married
and kind of like, you know, and then he has to be knocked down a
little bit and saying that all you do is talk so to.

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Be fair, Colin did also get thatlittle like.
Wake up call from Marina at the end of season 1 where she's like
exactly? So it's like, what am I going to
do? Yeah, it's not a disadvantage,
but it's something that they need to break out of.
So which is the which is the best thing, which is what I love
about them is that when they learn, they finally they are
they they approach with empathy and understanding.

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That's all I wanted to say. Hell, go ahead.
That's a really good point, actually.
Yeah, that's a good point. I was going to talk about like
the female characters, but I think we kind of understand it
from like a female perspective. But I want to say Anthony as the
first son and all the pressures he has, because I'm just seeing
this as like a first born child that I could relate to some

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pressures like or like he takes it on himself as well.
Like I think some of it is internal, some of them is like
external, but like like he's kind of trapped in his role as
well as like, oh, I'm like the head of the family.
I have to make all these decisions like, well, no one
asked you like, but he felt the responsibility and he thought
that was a rose, right? So like he's really, he was

(42:30):
really trapped in his role, especially in season 1,
beginning of season 2, it's likechecklist for like my matches.
And then his family was like just find so many love.
It's like, I know that's different, but like he was
really playing into the role that was expected of him at that
time. 100%. I agree definitely.
I think Anthony feels the the pressure to live up to the like

(42:53):
patriarchal role sort of like ina way maybe takes on more of it
as like other characters repeatedly tell him in season 2
then he even has to. But you do see the ways I
thought this was pretty clear inthe first season too, where like
his his relationship with Siennawas so toxic because he wanted
to be with her, but he couldn't be with her because she wasn't
an appropriate match. You know, you really see how he

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ends up sort of flailing about in both the first and second
seasons because he's so miserable being forced into this
role that he that that he feels he has to live up to and that he
kind of does have to live up in a lot of ways.
I kind of agree. I think that a lot of times we
kind of focus on, you know, and not to say that we should, you
know, focus on math necessarily,but you know, that system was

(43:39):
detrimental not only to, you know, Daphne Eloise, you know,
Francesca penalty, but also to the most privileged, like
Anthony, who, you know, is the Viscount.
But what that meant we kind of see, you know, in season 2 you
kind of mentioned, you know, theoccupation.
So I will just ask, what do you think?

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You know, if this was more realistic, what would be the
occupation of Benedict and Colin?
Would they join the church? Would they know, become
soldiers? What do you think?
I can't see Benedict as a soldier, have you?
Seen polar rope? It's not not good.
Colleague Campbell has traveled dreams through the military,

(44:23):
which is I don't turn back to steak.
I but you know. Frederick Wentworth and he would
join the Navy, you know the. Navy.
Yeah, that's, yeah, that's possible.
Yeah. So he would be the first
budgeton to die at sea. This is he.
Will. Die at sea.
He's just filled around and nothing happens to him.

(44:44):
Exactly. He's against the naval captain
with a sweepy coat. So yeah, so I I think that
colleagues basically like one ofthe one of the sailor men in
persuasion I. It's hard because church and
military were kind of like the options, right?
So, but you know, both Colin andBenedict do end up sort of in

(45:04):
the careers that they do end up sort of having.
So maybe they. I think they would end up in
them, but it wouldn't be, you know, the primary path.
So I kind of wonder, you know, who would be the primary part of
Benedict, especially because I, you know, I'm not certain if he
would ever become, you know, he would ever become.

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Fewer orgies in that profession.Yeah, he would preach.
And then having. In the background.
Sorry. Never know about the church.
Sorry. Sorry, Joe.
Yeah, I'm. Not, I'm not saying it, it is
genuinely difficult. To imagine second question might
be linked to other thing becausewe agree that this show isn't,

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you know, the most accurate. So my question to you is, what
is the moment that you think screams inaccuracy when you
truly were like, wait a minute, this is not, you know, very
realistic? OK.
I think you mentioned this last time, but it was like, it's more
like you just. Notice the absence, you know,
the lack of soldiers. There's no there's no regiments.

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There's no in season 1 is mentioned but never shown.
No one goes to church ever untilthe third season.
Things like the the one line that always sticks out to me and
I know it's for the benefit of the modern audience, but as
somebody who like I was very into like the pre Raphaelites
and I studied the 19th century and.
College and all of the stuff. There's a moment in the second

(46:31):
season when Benedict says apparently there's this thing
called the Royal Academy of Arts.
Like, dude, like the ton is not that big.
You know what I mean? Like, I love students.
You wouldn't know about this. There probably was a less funny
way to do this exposition. But the there's some things on
like the writers, I guess, assuming nobody knows anything

(46:54):
about this time period, which maybe is a good assumption
because I'm Yeah, but it's. Funny because even you know, if
it was true, like you can say, oh, I applied for Royal Art
Academy, like no one in the modern audience would be like,
what? That was the thing.
You know it. You would say it's, you know,
like. It's kind of self-explanatory.

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Oh, I was going to say the lack of head coverings, especially in
especially the church seen in the church because that like.
That's scandalous. Yeah, like I I'm just saying
you'd want a realist more realistic like it regardless of
your status. Everyone like especially female,
like woman covered their head and covered their hair,

(47:36):
especially in the church setting, like even a little
bonnet or something. And that is what was the
appropriate, right? So like the lack of that and
they they dress way too fancy for the daytime, I think rocks.
Pointed out Catholic. So I do not know, but I think
that the men are actually prohibited from, you know,
wearing headpieces in church, atleast in Catholic Church.

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I'm not certain if you know, this translates to
Protestantism, I think. That's, that's right, that in
church, the men would take theirhats off, but the women would
put their bonnets on. Yeah, like more moderate.
Yeah. So at least we do not see, you
know, any of them have wearing hats.
Sorry. Go ahead, Joe.
Yeah, I would say the main historical inaccuracy is people
of race like people of color having like.

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I think that was a new change, right, of incorporating people
of color to have titles. I'm not certain if Bridgeton was
the first, but definitely that's, you know, the one which.
I just want to make a comment that there have been like random
one or two person of color here and there with titles and like

(48:41):
higher class. You know, common criticism, you
know, especially maybe in my country was this is unrealistic.
But biracial people, you know, of course not in such numbers,
but they were already part of British society, you know.
And people are like, we do not see them in paintings.
We do not see them, you know, inliterature.

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We do not. Of course we do not.
Yeah. Women's stories centered, right,
but not as you know, it's not assevere for women because women
were still writing and, you know, representing themselves.
But and racism is a different thing.
But it is sort of like white menhave been centered for all of

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human history, not all of human history, but for modern history
because they are oppressing everybody else.
So that's and writing, you know,they're the ones with the with,
with the power of the sword and the pen for like a lot in a lot
of these eras in a lot of places.
And so other people get erased who were who were there and who
were participating. Even if they were making

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history, there was no records ofit.
Let's keep picking over, yeah? Or the record was being told by
other people, you know? You know, yeah, go ahead, Joe.
Yeah, so two points I just wanted to make is that one thing
is that I'm doing a lot of scripts and you guys hear a lot
of scripts from me, but I was actually going to do something
which was a little bit of a feminist.

(50:09):
This is like a short film which was like a feminist retailing of
the fandom of the opera. And I wanted to make it from the
lens of race and what was going on.
Because actually the original inspiration for Christine,
right, The character in the bookwas based on an opera singer who
used to use her like who used totour Paris.

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She was like a revolutionary. She was like a fighter before
like the French Revolution, which started like in a decade's
time from then. So I wanted to go more into
that. And as I was doing research
about like expatriates and how did like jazz, because I wanted
to include jazz into the like story, because jazz was
introduced in Paris around that time, I was quite shocked that a

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lot of a lot of different European cultures had already
like moved to Paris. So like African Americans, jazz
was introduced. Many expatriates were a people
of color. So I was just thinking is that
like so much of that has been erased, like nobody comes like
talks about that. And 2nd, when I was when I was

(51:14):
trying to see of like because I was doing Philuise research for
our Philuise episode, I went back to see like records of who
attended like biology classes inEdinburgh.
There were a lot of men of colour.
There's like A blog that talked about different Lords who were
basically African American attending these courses at
university. So.

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It has been like an unspoken history that people of color
were existing, they are just notput to the forefront because
again, like the unspoken implications of whiteness being
the universe, like being confused with universality.
Yeah, well, yeah, I want to add something to spoiler about like
people saying, oh, it's not historically accurate, they're
not reflected in paintings and stuff.

(51:58):
I want to note like anybody who might have been of like darker
skin tone or like a different skin tone, they're going to tell
the painter to paint them later to like, you know, the paintings
are not going to be. It's going to be kind of like
make them look better quote, UN quote compared to how they look
like in real life. Like that's why all the
paintings like, oh, why do they look so good or what, why they

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look a certain way. It's like because the painters
make them like quote, UN quote better.
How the person who the whoever hired a painter obviously had
money and they can control the painter and which like, you
know, kind of not show the reality.
Yeah, it's interesting 'cause when you also see painting from
that period, people have a very specific look, which is like,

(52:40):
not necessarily super attractiveto our modern eye, you know?
Yeah, but it was like what was considered attractive at the
time. It's like very, I guess, like
rounded faces, very pale skin and you know, and it, and that
was like considered the ideal. At the time I think it was
actually no, you know, very light skin with rosy cheeks and

(53:02):
you know, you had to cut rosy cheeks and then Victorian came
in and you have to be very pale suddenly you have to.
Be kind of tubercular in the Victorian era, but but and.
Yes, you have. I wanted to say heroin shake,
but yeah. It's such a, it's such a great
point that you brought up, Elle,because it's like, it's kind of

(53:23):
highlighting the fact that not alot of effort was made to
celebrate that. Like, you know, that colour that
you had, that you were, that, you know, it was kind of like
you needed to blend in or like, you know, you needed to erase
that implications like of you being different, of a different
colour. I don't want to like shame
anybody. It's like, but it kind of just

(53:46):
says the society pressure to some extent.
I think there's a movie called Idol and it's about like a Oh
yeah. I.
Love that. I love that movie, 70s.
Yeah, I, yeah, it's. Just like around the same time
as Bridgeton, just like it's with like.
It's, let's call it Violet childhood.

(54:08):
Violet childhood, yeah. Is that with Google?
And Bata Raj, she's, like, so good.
It's a beautiful movie. Yeah.
Yeah, Yeah, I watched that. Yeah, I actually, I actually
seen that one, even though it's kind of, you know, not known
what. Was the name of the movie.
Again, sorry, Dido. Dido, I'm not certain.
I think it was Belle actually. A day.

(54:28):
She was her name, but Belle is Belle.
Belle is also her name, but also, of course, meaning beauty.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Belle. It's called Belle.
It's based on a true story of this woman, Dido Elizabeth
Belle, who her husband, her her husband, her adopted father was
Lord Mansfield, who was the judge who oversaw a famous case

(54:51):
about slavery in the. But she was mixed race, so like
her mother was a slave and her father was the son of the famous
British judge. Some people think that Jane
Austen named Mansfield Park after Lord Mansfield and that
there are references to because there are references to the
slave trade in her book and her family were abolitionists like

(55:14):
some of her brothers were involved in the abolition
movement. Oh, OK.
But anyway, but this was a real woman Dido Elizabeth Bell and
and the, the movie's really beautiful and it's kind of one
of the 1st movies too, like of our modern era to kind of focus
on people of color in this, in this period and their stories.
And I wouldn't be surprised if you know if the folks who at

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Shondaland had seen it. In novels that are
contemporaneous, there are, yeah, like, like individual
people that are, you know, people of color.
Like Jane Austen's Sandaton has like, maybe a mixed race heiress
in it. If anyone's read Withering
Heights, it's like, it's like widely acknowledged that

(55:59):
Heathcliff is probably a Roma ancestry.
You know, he's like described asbeing dark.
Skinned. In the book, but it's and it's
part of the story is I think like the inherent discrimination
you know from from that that like it's never like stated
outright, but it's in Jane Eyre.A lot of scholars think that the
wife who was from the West Indies, like may have been the

(56:23):
the daughter of like colonists, but may have also been great.
Like, there's definitely, you know, individual characters, but
usually they're like kind of tragic figures and you.
Know it's not like. It's not a happy like world,
obviously. I want to bring an example of
like something that's from Shakespeare time with Othello.

(56:45):
He is he's he's like more, whichis North African at the time.
So like the historically like random characters because I
think he was, I haven't read Othello in a long time, but I
think he was like in the military.
It's a tragic story anyways, butlike he was in the military.
I think high-ranking, but like there's like random bits here
and there, but like they did exist but not to a point that

(57:07):
like Bridgeton has it. And I don't think they touch on
the racism like Joe said like asmuch because 100% they face a
lot of prejudice and racism backthen.
Yeah, this is the Escapist show.I kind of, I don't want to, you
know, speak of it as, you know, white person.
But I definitely caught, you know, people.

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We're not really criticizing theshow for being racially diverse,
but they criticized the color conscious casting that they
prefer color blind because they just didn't really like the
explanations of, you know, this world.
I don't want to, you know, talk about this because of course, as
a, you know, I'm not member of any of these communities.

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I do not, you know, I cannot, you know, acknowledge this.
But I have noticed, you know, that people talked about it so
personally, you know, I like that we have racially diverse
show. I think it makes it, you know,
interesting. And, you know, it is an escapist
show, which, you know, then can help, you know, bring joy to

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many new people, you know, over the world.
But on the other hand, you know,I think it's valid criticism.
And these people should not, youknow, be silent or, you know,
it's not like they're coming outof nowhere.
They had very legitimate criticism.
That's all I wanted to say regarding this.
I will say, like as a non white person who never, who loves

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period dramas and never ever, ever, ever sees, you know, up
until Bridgerton, like non whitepeople in in period dramas, it,
it was so like, I didn't even know how much my soul needed
that, you know, like, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
I don't want to just take too much time, but I think what I
you said, you had mentioned escapist show, right?

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Swila I what I loved about it isthat I actually I'm not
interested in the escapism. I'm actually interested in this
human character choices like youknow, they are allowed to be
human like as and we can understand it because you know,
especially with season 2, because being Indian myself,
seeing a lot of my Indian values, seeing classism

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happened, you know, as seen withthe introduction of the
Sheffield. Problems.
Yeah. So it was nice to see that these
problems that are still going onin India is incorporated in some
way. So it really like drives from
the point that these are human beings, race is not always the
conversation. So the fact that, you know, they

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really took effort in creating aback like a cultural back story
for everybody. So that like even it's not
because unlike Grey's Anatomy, which was color blind casting,
like no race at all was mentioned.
Like they were treated like white characters.
Here we have like the race is acknowledged through the name,
the kind of T that they like through the, you know, the

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language itself because they have, you know, born and DD,
which is by the way, people would call me DD as because I
was the teacher. So it is.
It was so nice seeing those little.
Bit of cultural elements and seeing the fact that they're
treated like a human being. It's not treated being a white
person. So I think that was what I loved
about it more than the escapism of the show.

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I will say. There is a part of me that is
sad that we probably will never get a Middle Eastern love
interest because as we are always overlooked and I
literally not like I'm like let's never get.
Back let's go to bedroom, see what we could do.
See, like a brown girl, be the love and trust like in Kate.
And that was important for me, even though I'm not obviously

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Indian. I was like close enough guys.
I'm really happy. I think Gregory, like Gregory,
still can have a lot of interest.
Yeah, I don't know how. It's in other, you know,
European countries, but Middle East is definitely portrayed in
some way in Czech media and even, you know, in Czech fairy

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tales, like very old fairy talesfrom I don't know how long of a
time. So this is, you know, the reason
why I say it is because I'm not certain Chandel and will touch,
you know, Middle Eastern people.I'm not certain we shall ever
see, you know, that lead in Bridgeton.
Yeah. I don't want to, you know, be

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negative. I think that maybe we will get
Latin American lead like I thinkthat's possible.
Yeah. But, like, our little existence
is, like, controversial, yeah. Sorry, rocks.
So. Sorry, I didn't want.
To it's true throughout Hollywood, honestly, like we're
like still super, super like underrepresented.

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It's still and I would say like now there starts to be there is
like more awareness and more backlash when like Middle
Eastern people are only portrayed as terrorists.
But it was like unquestioned throughout like the past like 20
years, you know, so. Yeah, anyway, I want to say
there was a so I'm not sure if Iever said this.

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I'm Canadian. So there was ATV show, comedy TV
show on the CBC about like Middle Eastern family having a
mosque in the middle of nowhere Canada.
Like I watched bits and pieces up there, but like it wasn't
really my type of humor, but like it was kind of like the
touch. There's like, like kind of it's
comedy, so they made it more funny, but then like there was

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that in Canadian culture to try to put a more positive light.
Yeah. Yeah, but I don't remember.
Is it called Little Moss on the Prairies?
Oh my. God, that's not adorable.
Yeah. I think it was something like
that. It was.
Not Muslim but or like not a practicing Muslim, but like
that. That's amazing.
I. Will yeah.
But like there was like that kind of trying to put a more

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positive light at least in Canadian culture recently.
But I think that show ended. I don't remember.
Much, Yeah. I think in a way, like the, you
know, I'm just going to go aheadand say like the genocide in
Gaza is like actually waking a lot of people up about like this
broader conversation and the, and the, the ways that like

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Middle Eastern people are portrayed in our politics here
in the US and the media. And I think like that's
happening worldwide. So as like horrific as like this
moment right now is, I'm actually kind of hopeful that
like for a whole generation of people, this is sparking a sea
change and like greater awareness of like this broader
issue. I will say like one small shout
out to Shondaland though is likeLord Salmadani, definitely

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Middle Eastern. That is a Middle Eastern last
name, so maybe there's like at least another minor character
coming or somewhere. In the works.
Just I can see that, yeah. I like, I just it's not no shame
to the actor, OK, this is Cassandra.
Like, I think it's just the way it was written.
And some of this like came off. I think he came off and part as

(01:04:07):
a little creepy. I think it's when he was like,
oh, I want eight children. 8. Children.
Yeah, he was a total, I find. Being the way that I find not
nice. It was hilarious.
He was really funny. The part where he's like eating
the paste, like really loudly. I just.

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I hate it. I hated that part.
I I can't figure your. Mesophonia or whatever.
They call that. Yeah, yeah.
I thought he did a good job playing a buffoon, you know?
Just to follow up with rocks, Nicola Coughlin was, is having
like a, like she's running a charity and she's, I don't know,
I think it's over now, but she was matched however much she
raised. So it was, it was last time I

(01:04:49):
saw it was at least €20,000. So I think it's still ongoing.
If people can, can help or donate.
Nicola Coughlin has like a page and she's, she was matching or
she is matching it, but it's ongoing.
She's done this a few times. I know I love her for this so
much. Yeah, and I love that she she

(01:05:10):
keeps supporting Gaza because during the press tour she had a
pin, Yeah, that she was like foreach outfit, like on a glove.
She it was on her shoulder. Like she's really like.
Yeah, she's very vocal about it and it's so she.
Was one of the first celebritiesto like really come out like and
be really vocal really early andI really appreciate that like.

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I also admire her not just you know, that the fact that she's
doing it, but she's doing very smart.
Like she, she's one of those people who really know how to
pull, you know, PR game. And let's be honest, PR game is
very important, even if you're navigating for a good cause
because we are living in a very big world.

(01:05:52):
She does it very smartly. I will just point out I agree.
Okay, sorry, pointing at me. Definitely running out of time.
Probably our recording is a bit long, so we will cut it.
The next time we shall dive deeper into the families of the
tomb and talk a bit about the courtship and the idea of

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marriage in this society regarding, you know, the those
games, you know, those rules andmaybe how we would, you know,
abide by them or not. So thank you guys much for
listening. I'm spoiler I'm Elle.
I'm Rocks. I'm Joel.

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And we shall see you back again one day.
Bye.