From $10/Hour Apprentice to 64 Rental Units

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What if you could buy your very first duplex with zero dollars out of pocket—while making just $10 an hour as an apprentice? That’s exactly how Corey Paszkiewicz launched his real estate journey over 20 years ago. Today, he owns 64 rental units with roughly 50% equity across the board—and in this episode, he breaks down how you can follow a similar path.

🔥 Inside This Episode:

• 🏡 How Corey bought his first duplex using creative financing + other people’s money
• 💪 The mindset shifts that helped him survive every market cycle from pre-2008 to today’s high-interest rates
• 📲 Why he no longer spends big on marketing—and gets most deals through social media + word of mouth
• 💰 A full breakdown of the BRRRR strategy that allowed him to scale with minimal personal capital
• 🔑 How private lending relationships develop naturally once you build a track record
• 📈 Why buying at a deep discount matters more than obsessing over cash flow
• 🏘️ The overlooked opportunity in Section 8 rentals: above-market rents + guaranteed payments

Whether you’re just getting started or looking to scale, this is a masterclass in building wealth through resilience, reputation, and creative problem-solving.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
What's up everybody?
Welcome back to another episodeof the Wisconsin Investor
Podcast.
I'm your host, corey Raymond,excited to bring you guys
another amazing guest today, asusual.
Before I do that, though, as Ido on almost every episode, I'm
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With that, let me welcome in myother Corey here.
Corey, I'm not even going totry to pronounce your last name,
so if you can do that for theaudience, please do Sounds good.
Corey Paskavage Paskavage.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Paskavage yep.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Okay, what's the heritage of the Paskavage?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's a little bit of everything, but mostly Polish.
My grandma has a lot ofdifferent mitzvahs in there, but
primarily Polish.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Okay, I thought so.
I grew up in Pulaski, andPulaski big-time Polish.
We got polka pass every year.
It's a big-time Polish place.
I thought that might've been alittle Polish, but I don't know.
Well, corey, tell everybody alittle bit about you.
You're, you're down in theOconomowoc area, correct?
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah, so we, we moved out to Oconomowoc.
I primarily invest in theMilwaukee market.
I've been investing 20 years orso Back then when I started
getting to have all the podcastsand social media and how to
learn what we do now.
So I kind of had to figure outa lot of everything myself on a
hard way.
I didn't have wealthy parentsor wealthy family.

(01:53):
I didn't have people reallyinvest in real estate.
So for me, when I first started, I was actually in my
electrical apprenticeship, so Iused to be an electrician,
actually in my electricalapprenticeship, so I used to be
electrician.
Um, one of the apprentices in myclass, his uncle kind of like
nudged us to like, hey, you guysshould probably invest in real
estate, and ended up buying aduplex house, hacked it um,

(02:14):
lived in half, rented out theother um, and that's kind of how
I got my start a little over 20years ago.
Um did the same thing a yearlater, okay, and kind of
continue on my third property.
I mean I don't know if you wantto hear the whole story.
Yeah, I mean I don't know.
I guess it's kind of cool.
You know how you always hearpeople buying these properties,

(02:35):
no money down and all that myfirst two deals, first three
deals I did and I didn't evenknow I did it.
So my very first one I got Iactually got a $5,000 loan from
my buddy's uncle Okay, years topay it off.
But I also got a $5,000 grantfrom the government Back then it
was like a WIDA type of loan.
So I actually lived in thatproperty.

(02:59):
So basically I didn't need tobring any funds to the table,
had a little over to do a littlebit of updating to the duplex.
Some need to bring any funds tothe table, had a little over to
do a little bit of updating tothe duplex, some paint and
re-finish flooring, sure, but Idid all that work myself.
Um, and that's kind of how Igot into my first deal.
That's my second deal.
I did the same thing.
I bought that no money out ofpocket.
Um, my first one.
I mean, I wasn't making a lotas a first year electrical

(03:21):
apprentice back then.
I was making like 10 bucks anhour.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
So it wasn't a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
But I bought it no money out of pocket.
So it's kind of cool.
That is really cool, yeah.
Second one so this was backbefore everything crashed, but
this is when banks were givingmoney away.
So we did two loans on it.
I did a loan for 80% and a loanfor 20% and same thing I got

(03:46):
and same thing I got into thatone, and no money out of pocket.
I still own both those today.
They're both duplexes andthey've pretty much doubled in
value or pretty close to thatnow.
Um, but I own those today andthat's kind of how I got my
start.
My my third one was kind of aunique.
You know I had that.
I I guess we grew up kind of.
I want want to say before likemiddle class, like my parents,
struggle a lot.
They worked for big companiesand they'd either get laid off

(04:09):
or the company would downsize.
So like I saw my parentsstruggle and for me I always
wanted more.
I didn't want that one.
I have to worry about money.
I didn't want that to happen.
So I'm like I had theentrepreneur side in me.
So my next property there'slike an authentic Philly
cheesesteak type of restaurantdown in our area.
So I actually bought a building, had a storefront in the front

(04:30):
and an apartment in back, so Iactually lived in an apartment
and I opened up my own likePhilly cheesesteak and custard
stand.
I worked full time as anelectrician.
So I did that for about a yearand then I I ended up closing it
down.
Just a lot of work, I mean, Iwas working a full-time
electrician but then Itransferred to like the oak

(04:51):
creek power plant and there wewere working mandatory 60, 70 up
to like 84 hours a week.
It was whoa crazy.
I mean for a month I workedseven 12 hour shifts and it's
just a lot.
Can you even do?
that is that legal yeah, I mean,yeah, they I don't know when
they're building the power plantit was.
It's kind of cool seeeverybody's like mandatory, like

(05:12):
eight hour shifts, um, they'reactually mandatory.
60 hours a week is like what weare working and you got a per
diem if you didn't miss any work.
And then if you traveled Iforget the distance, maybe more
than 50 miles they give youanother per diem.
So I didn't miss any work.
And then if you traveled Iforget the distance, maybe more
than 50 miles they give youanother per diem.
So I think I got I was prettyclose to it, but I think I got
like another 125 bucks a weekbecause I I didn't miss any work

(05:34):
.
If you missed work, they wouldlike lay you off.
And this is kind of rightbefore the crash, I was working
there a little over two years,um, but like there's 300
electricians laid off and theboats looking for work near the
end of it and I'm like most guys, they didn't miss work, you
know, yeah, it'd be a long timewaiting.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, you miss work.
That means you're going to bemissing work for a long time.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, so, but eventually I kind of got burnt
out of doing all that.
I just started turning downsome of the overtime.
It was near the end of the joband I was building like a
network marketing business onthe side, okay, and I had almost
like a full-time teacher-typesalary job, yeah yeah.
So I'm like, okay, I don't needto like work all these hours,

(06:18):
I'm doing that.
And basically I ended upgetting laid off.
When I up getting laid off, um,I got laid off.
I ended up starting likefitness boot camps okay, one
dance studio, I grew it toanother dance studio, um, and
then I ended up opening up acrossfit gym okay that whole
time I had always saved myrental income and I'd save my
network marketing income andokay how I got started.

(06:39):
I mean, I didn't know aboutusing other people's money, even
though I did my my first twodeals yeah, you kind of did it
by accident on the first one.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
You didn't even know what you did.
Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah.
So it was kind of weird likethat.
So I would just save my incomefrom network marketing and all
my rental income and as soon asI have enough money for down
payment, I'd go buy anotherproperty.
Okay, kind of how I started,started it and after I got laid
off like one of my nextproperties, like I didn't have
money to or I didn't have two.
I had the money but I didn'thave two years income.

(07:11):
And that's back when banks weretighter and before like the dscr
type of loans and all that um.
So actually you know, I thinkone thing is like investors and
what we do in real estate, Imean you got to learn to be
resilient and like figure a wayout.
I mean we're problem solvers.
So like, yeah, on a great dealon a duplex I had the money bank

(07:32):
wouldn't find it finance me,how do I do it?
So I ended up buying it in mybrother's name and then he
actually lived in like part ofit and yeah, we did that.
And then eventually, a coupleof years later, I refinanced it
into mine.
That's why I ended up gettingthat property, just figuring it
out, man.
Yeah, I mean that's probably thebiggest thing I feel like we

(07:53):
got to learn as investors, wesolve problems and we got to be
resilient, because we get thrownso many curveballs in life For
sure, real estate investing andall that.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Well, dude, you've been through pretty much every
market.
I feel like now I feel, yeah,through the boom, the bust, now
the boom, now the high rates,the covid rates, like I mean
everything that that could bethrown at you, dude, you've kind
of seen it all now, so you'vegot, you've got all that
experience now, 20 years later,to to lend off or to go off of.
And yeah, I think that is whatyou said.
That's one of the biggestthings I think as an investor,
like there's always a way to doit.
It's just figuring it out Right, like okay, well, uh, like

(08:34):
political stuff, like I I gotlike a little political
discussion with with some people, some friends I know, that are
on different, different beliefsthan I have.
We actually were able to have agood conversation and I was like
you know what?
I don't really care, and maybethis is bad, you know patriotism
for me, but I'm like I don'treally care who's in office or
what their policy is.
I just have to understand whattheir policy is or whoever's

(08:55):
making the rules, and then Ihave to just play the game right
.
If I play the game, it's fine.
We'll always figure a way outto win right, yep, but you just
got to figure out whateverthey're going to throw at you.
Okay, now how do I use that to?
To benefit right and the samething.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, it doesn't matter like so many people get
wound up, like who's in officewill be a little easier, harder,
depending who it could be, butI mean it doesn't really affect
what we do.
I mean you've got to kind ofput your blinders up and just
mind like focus on your businessand go, you know yep, yep, and
like when rates went up, it waslike, oh crap, what are we gonna
do now?

Speaker 1 (09:28):
because, like, a lot of investors stopped buying
deals.
We're like, well, we'll justflip our own, because there was
still a lot of yeah, a lot ofdemand for housing.
So we started doing a lot ofour own flips and, like you,
just got to pivot and be nimblein this business.
I feel like you can't be sorigid.
Sometimes they'll be like thisis all I do and this is the only
way I do things, forever andalways, because it's you know,
as you said, you were doingdeals when they were giving you

(09:49):
money to buy deals.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, live it you know, rates are a lot higher too
.
I mean they're in the uppersixes up to like seven.
So like I was buying when rateswere, rates were high and rents
are a lot lower too.
Now rates are a little high butrents are way higher.
So I mean there's always a dealout there, you just gotta buy
it right.
And I mean I think that's onething that helped me is like you

(10:11):
just gotta stay consistent,know your numbers and get after
it really I mean, yep, for surewhat?

Speaker 1 (10:18):
uh, going back to, I'm interested to hear, like
when you got started so was itreally just that from that
conversation of the uncle beinglike hey, hey, you guys should
do this?
And you're like, yeah, let's dothis?
Or was there other thingshappening that pushed you into
doing this.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
So I've always wanted to invest in real estate and
like part of it was likewatching those infomercials you
see on TV.
I was probably 18.
And I bought a book and it camein like a little binder, a I
don't know spiral binder typething that they make.
So I bought one of those offlike tv and I read it, for like
all that info was like over myhead and was talking about hard

(10:52):
money lenders and all this.
I'm like I don't know what thatis.
I'm like hard money lendersounds crazy.
You're paying all this interestand like yeah, I didn't know
anybody really doing it, uh, andyeah, so he kind of I guess he,
the uncle, wasn't really inreal estate but he had some
condos years ago and he's more.
He owned like a candy store, um, and he invested a lot in a

(11:15):
stock market, but he's like youknow you should buy a duplex and
like his nephew bought one andthen I was same time kind of
looking for one and it's kind ofreally like the start of it and
I just kept going and like hisnephew really didn't, but I kept
going.
I'm like, okay, that's like onceyou I mean I lived in it and
like was paying more, more thanhalf my mortgage payments.

(11:37):
I'm like, okay, this is likeit's kind of a turning point and
just splits, like okay, I cando something with this.
And yeah, it helped me, likewhen I was laid off, like we had
three rentals basically, um,and I was that my network
marketing money, like it savedme from, like it kept me afloat,
you know.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
So like, yeah, yeah, you're pretty much already like
kind of if your expenses didn'tgo too high.
I mean you're basicallyfinancially free already, off
three duplexes and networkmarketing income, you know.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, it cool.
Yeah.
So I'm like, wow, okay, I'm onto something.
I just, over the years, like Ihad to learn how to like, okay,
I learned more about the hardmoney line and then pick up
private lenders and things likethat, and now, like I've been
like full-time last 10 years, um, so we've branched out and um,

(12:24):
do, I guess, a lot of things.
So I'm, I am a realtor, so I dothat, and I've been a realtor
going on nine, 10 years now.
Okay, actually 10 years now andwhen I first became an agent I
worked with everybody.
I do a lot of volume 50 plusdeals a year, which is a lot for
an agent, a realtor, yeah, andit would be like 50-50.
Sometimes it'd be more 50%investors and then regular

(12:47):
people and it would go up anddown, but investors are always
buying or selling.
They're always consistent.
So when everybody else is slow,I'm still staying busy because
investors are.
They don't stop.
You know, we don't stop, we'realways buying.
Yeah, we got the itch, yeah,exactly.
So I've been doing that fulltime last 10 years and then I
started doing more like fits andflips and, um, I did a little

(13:11):
bit of wholesale in there andnow we do a lot of I mean, we
still have rentals.
So we have 64 rental unitsright now.
Um, I'm a little pickier now,like with what I purchase two
sides that people always ask me,like what are my goals now?
And it's like I go back andforth.
So right now I keep buying.
I like single families, but Ikeep buying um rental properties

(13:36):
if I need them, free, basically, yeah, so I'm just burying them
.
That way it's kind of what I'mdoing stacking single families,
but I'm also looking for somebigger, either apartment type
buildings, um, a little bitnicer areas closer to me, or,
like commercial type ofbuildings.
So I'm kind of saving my fundsfor that and I have property
that I'd offload to trade up ifI need to sure, um, but in the

(13:58):
meantime, like, like you said,we, we keep buying, we're, we
have that itch to keep going.
So I'm, if I can, buy a rentalproperty and be into it very
little to no money out of pocket.
That's what I'm doing.
Yeah, up in homes is kind of myprimary and I'm working with
investors as like an agent.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yeah, you know it's kind of crazy cory's like you
and I we've we've been friendson facebook forever.
We were talking about thisbefore we hit record like we
never actually like had aconversation your new milwaukee
market we're like green bay,appleton, northeast wisconsin.
So we, like I, always respectedwhat you were doing from a
distance and I saw we're verysimilar in the way that we love
getting properties for free.
Now, if I'm talking to you, I'mlike dude, we have really eerie

(14:34):
similar stories.
I did network marketing leadingup to getting into real estate
investing.
I had a gym that was kind oflike a CrossFit thing.
I'm listening and I was likewait a minute Am.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
I on that side or this side?
I didn't realize you had a gymtoo and all that.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I went to school for
kinesiology in Eau Claire andthen and then did a little stint
with the Wisconsin Badgerfootball team doing strength and
conditioning and I thought thatwas like my dream job.
I was like, yeah, my dream job.
I hated it, dude, it's terrible, uh.
And then I moved home and I gotan opportunity to like start
training this dude.
And then, uh, uh, he had like alittle gym in the back of his

(15:08):
office and he's like you shouldstart training my employees.
And I was like sure, so Istarted.
I kind of created like my owncrossfit style, okay, like
circuit style, but yeah, dude.
Then that all led up to likedoing some network marketing.
And then I was like I don'treally, I didn't really like the
network marketing thing.
After like five years we weredoing the same thing, like we're
making good money, but we'redoing good, I mean we're making
almost six figures at one timeand then a lot of like

Speaker 2 (15:31):
so it's, it's good, but like it's, it changed a lot
over the years.
We don't really we don't do itnow.
Um yeah, um, one of thecompanies I was with like a lot
of stuff happened.
Basically this compensationplan disappeared.
So that set a lot of peopleaside.
But for me, like I knew itwasn't going to be like the
thing, it's like I knew therewas something else.

(15:52):
I'd always invest my money intoreal estate, cause that's kind
of a sure guaranteed, whetherit's longterm investment or
cashflow.
I mean, it's the way mostpeople get wealthy and time
freedom.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
So yeah, yeah, yeah for sure.
Yeah, that, yeah for sure.
Yeah, that that was kind of thesame thing.
Like I'll say this, though likeI never regret our network
marketing time like I learned somuch about like personal
development.
Just you know, like I wasalways in sales but I learned
some new things with with salesthrough that process and like it
was really good.
I really enjoyed the.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
The personal growth aspect of what the network
marketing company we were withwas like really promoting um
it's probably the biggesttakeaway, like I mean, I
recommend people, if they canfind a good one, just to learn
that, because you don't learnthat in like other things.
I mean I feel like going fromnetwork marketing to being like
a realtor or an agent, likeyou're like basically

(16:44):
self-employed.
Most people are working anine-to-five, it's like.
And then you're like I feel alot of people want to rush to
like get out, get out of theirnine to five, but they don't
know how to employ themselves.
They don't have the personalgrowth and development to get
them to that next level and liketo employ themselves.
So that's the biggest thingthat market marketing helped me
with, more than anything youknow is, yeah, personal growth

(17:07):
and learning and how to employyourself.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yep for sure.
So, like I said, I think you'reright, it changed a lot.
The only thing I regret is allmy social media posts during
that time frame.
I'm like can?

Speaker 2 (17:16):
I go back and believe right, I know there's a lot of
stuff.
I'm like right now, when I seepeople do stuff, I'm like that
was probably me in a few days.
I'm like, ah, that was me.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
10 years ago or 15 years ago, gosh.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Gosh, I don't do that anymore.
Same yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
So we're very similar .
We're very similar is what I'mfinding out, corey, in this, not
only do we share a name, but alot of other similarities here.
You've got a lot less gray hairthan I do, though.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
I don't know I'm getting stressed out the last
year or two.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Let's creep it up on you.
Yeah, yeah, talk about the.
Uh.
So you're doing about 10 to 20flips a year right now.
Talk about how you're findingthose, because I we talked a
little bit about this, but Ithink there's some value here
for the audience to hear this soI did a lot like so back in
2020, like I started doing alittle bit of wholesaling, like
the end of 2020.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Um, back then I would , we pretty much just did text
messaging.
Um.
Back then it was like you couldsend 300, 300 to 400 text
messages out and like get a deal.
It was pretty cool and I didn't.
I feel like that market, sinceit's so low barrier to entry.
It got flooded andoversaturated and regulations
like you could send 10 000 outand not get anything.

(18:29):
You know so I kind of I westopped doing that and then, um,
I had cold callers and thatwould be hit or miss too, um, so
I was doing a little bit ofthat, but I'd get a couple deals
here, wholesale one here andthere, keep one as a rental and
that's kind of how I starteddoing that my own marketing back
in 2020.
Um, but I put a lot out onsocial media too, so I'll share

(18:52):
my ups and downs and like whatI'm doing and closing and I get
a lot of deals actually sent tome, um, from just people.
I get a lot of, I buy a lotfrom other wholesalers and all
that.
So I actually last two years.
I haven't really done any of myown marketing.
It's all word of mouth, allreferrals, wholesalers, people
bring me deals just because Ihave a good reputation of like

(19:15):
I'm always going to close.
I try to make it easy forpeople.
You know, I feel like that'shalf the battle.
I mean, you get some buyersthat can be hard to work with
People.
Whether you're a buyer orseller, they don't want to work
with you if you're going to bedifficult.
You or seller, they don't wantto work with you if you're gonna
be difficult, you know.
Yeah, so I get a lot of mydeals right now, word of mouth,
and I know, as we were justtalking, I gotta I'm gonna start
doing some marketing again andkind of gotta get my systems

(19:37):
down and be a little bit moreconsistent.
But, um, right now that's allI've been doing that way, and
then yeah, I mean, that's the.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
that's such a valuable thing that, like the,
the reason I wanted you to bringthat up, corey, is like your
cost of marketing is nothingright now, it's just your time
you know and like, yet juicesthat return pretty significantly
.
I know for us we're spendingabout 50 or 60 grand a month in
marketing so we have I meanbefore we're even profitable in
a month just to cover themarketing.
We gotta be at 60 grand, notcounting employee overhead and

(20:14):
all this other stuff.
But, like for me, if I can getsome deals in there that are
referral deals, that didn't costme anything for marketing right
Like that just helps us so much, so much greater on that
profitability standpoint.
You don't have any marketingright now, so anything you're
getting is just purely to thebottom line after you take
everything out for your.
You know obviously the flipexpenses, but just the
acquisitions cost is so cheapfor you.
That's amazing.
So.
I think that's really important.
I stress that on almost everyepisode at the end.
You know, hey guys, if you'vegot value out of this, share it.

(20:36):
Not only for us, but it helpsyou.
You know, get let people knowwhat you're doing and blah, blah
, blah.
And it's true, I don't say itto manipulate people to share
the show.
It's like it really does helpyou.
If you're consistent on socialmedia, you build a brand and
people get to know you.
That's how I always see yourposts.
I'm not even on Facebookanymore, but if I have to go on
there once in a while with oneof our teammates to look at my

(20:57):
page and help out, I'll see yourposts and that's you at the
title company all the time witha big smile on your face.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Got no deal, no money down, right.
I'm like, yeah, know, I dothose that, let people know I'm.
I consistently buy it.
So like, kind of going back towhat we're talking, it's been
like every market, you know, solike you can find deals in every
market, you can always buy andall that.
So like that helps.
And then I also try to createvalue to you and I don't always
put all that on um, like maybefacebook, but I'll have stuff on

(21:27):
tiktok and okay, and I mean Itry to do a lot of it on
facebook too, and I have youtubeas well, so I'm trying to do a
little bit longer form as well,but it's hard when you're doing
everything else too.
I mean it's almost like afull-time job.
So like, yeah, it doesn't costmoney, but it's a lot of time
right doing that.
You know filming stuff andediting and yeah, all that.
So like I don't.

(21:48):
I don't know how some of thepeople do that and do like yeah,
I get busy.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
I mean it's hard like , yeah, you know and to keep
coming up with content and allthat stuff like it is a
full-time game yeah, well,that's usually the thing we see.
Right, like, if the cost of themarketing is low, typically
you're going to have to have ahigh time investment, right, and
there's that balance, rightlike the cut.
Like we have TV commercialscosts really high.

(22:14):
But my time is nothing becauseI have a third party that does
all the ad buys.
We filmed it once done and nowthey just they do it, but that
cost is high, you know.
So we're seeing that we did seesame thing with texting.
We cut texting this year at thestart of the year because a lot
of the regulations and stuff wejust didn't want to.

(22:35):
We were compliant, we were fine, but I just didn't want to even
have any battles with it.
What I ended up seeing wasactually we're doing way more
deals this year by cutting coldcall and text, at least
outsourcing that stuff.
We still do some cold callinginternally when our guys have
time, yeah, but uh, but now whatthey got?
The leads that they'refollowing up on are like really
quality leads.

(22:55):
Yeah, so we're converting at asuper high rate because they're
not getting bogged down with allyou know.
You know how it is with texaslike yeah, for the right price
I'd sell.
Well, you got to follow up onthat.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
You know exactly same with the cold call.
That's kind of why I stop.
It's like the quality is notreal high and both.
So I'm like yeah, yeah yeah,but I love your.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
I love the referral piece.
I think that's a huge nuggetfor the audience to be listening
to.
Is just social media brandingtelling people what you're doing
you know you're talking about.
Now on this podcast, you'relooking for some bigger
multi-family stuff.
Right, yep, there it is likenow anybody who knows in that
milwaukee market listening tothis episode.
You got a buyer right here.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
It was quality buyer yeah, milwaukee, ideally like
waukesha county, washingtoncounty.
Those areas were trying to getout of milwaukee county for the
bigger deals.
Yeah, we do a lot of um a lotof more tenant friendly there
what's that?

Speaker 1 (23:48):
a little more tenant friendly there.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah I've been um, I do a lot of like section eight
rentals now too.
I've been switched over thelast year, year and a half or so
and it's going really well.
But I feel like on amultifamily property I building
a little bit higher quality typeproperties here and whether

(24:17):
it's multifamily or even likecommercial light industrial type
, there's a couple I've beenlooking at and trying to work on
.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah yeah, Talk about the section eight stuff.
I think that's another topic wedon't talk enough about.
Like there's some, there's somestigma around section eight,
negative connotations with it,what you know you just mentioned
.
It's been going really well.
Talk a little bit about whatare the pros cons of doing a
Section 8?
.
What is Section 8, if you canexplain Section 8 for the people
who don't know this BasicallySection 8 rentals.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
basically the government's paying rent for the
tenant.
Do they pay 100% of the rent?
Yes and no.
Typically they're payingbetween 70% to 100% of
somebody's rent.
It's based off the tenant'sincome and all that.
I have a couple that I think Ihave one that pays I don't know,
like $8 or something like that.
It's real low and I pay 20, andthen I have a couple people

(25:08):
that pay a couple hundreddollars, like $300.
So it depends on the tenant'scurrent income.
But then section eight they'llpay the remainder of that.
So property, say, it runs forfifteen hundred dollars a month,
maybe section eight's payingtwelve or thirteen hundred.
The tenant pays the difference.
Okay, um.
So basically how it works, Imean you have an occupied unit.

(25:29):
You don't have to have like asection eight property
necessarily.
I think a lot of people think,oh, I need to qualify my
property for section 8.
You can find the tenant first,um, and then you fill out a
request for tenancy form okay,submit that to their caseworker
and whatnot, um, and then afterthat all that's filled in, then
they'll come out and they doinspect the property.

(25:50):
So you don't have to do itbefore.
Um, they're basically looking ifbuyers or if you guys are
familiar with, like fha type offinancing, it's kind of those
safety things, so they're makingsure there's no like peeling
paint, no prep windows, yougotta have your smoke detectors,
co2 detectors and in the rightplaces.
Um, it's just safety featuresand make making sure the

(26:11):
property's not falling down andStuff.
You should probably do anyway,exactly.
I mean so for us, I mean toswitch it over.
I mean we try to keep ourproperties good, so a lot of
times they might flag somethinglittle.
I mean, if you have woodenwindows, you have to make sure
you have locks on them.
But I think now they actuallycheck the outlets and make sure
polarity is right and littlethings like that.

(26:33):
So they're a little bittrickier and it might vary
slightly depending on, dependingon your market, um, but I mean,
for the most part, if you'rekeeping care of your properties,
I mean everybody should be fine.
They, I don't know, there'salways something they could flag
, but it's usually pretty minor.
It might be like, I don't know,loose handrail or I don't know,

(26:54):
yeah, tile or something youknow.
Yeah, yeah, most are.
It's minor.
And then if, if it gets played,they let you correct it and
I'll come back and check it outand, um, it's pretty simple,
honestly, yeah so what are the?

Speaker 1 (27:08):
what are the for the people that are like just here
in section eight for the firsttime, like what are some of the
negative connotations withsection 8 that maybe you have?
Did you experience some of thatyourself before you started?

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, I mean I think before too, a lot of people, I
think I mean I've heard thiswhen I was buying rentals A lot
of people think they're going totrash the properties because it
is a lower typically a lower,not necessarily lower quality
tenant, but lower income type oftenant because the government's
helping them out.
So a lot of people, I think thatthey're going to trash their

(27:37):
properties and yeah, it canhappen.
It can happen with good tenantsor bad tenants.
Part of why I was switchingover to section eight, I had a
lot of one year I kind of had alady helping out and replaced a
lot of tenants and then I had togo through like 80 visions one
year.
I'm like I'm cleaning house anda little over two years ago or
so and I'm like I'm switchingover to section eight.

(27:58):
I have a team of people thathelp me with that that are like
awesome, they've been doingsection eight for 30 plus years.
So, okay, um, they're, yeah,they're awesome at it.
So, yeah, can they trash units?
I mean, anybody can, whetherit's such a or not.
What I found is is like for themost part, they take fairly
decent care of it.
I mean, the hard thing about itfor them is like if they're

(28:23):
going to trash a unit and likeruin it and break a lease, it's
a couple of year waiting list toget back on the housing program
and they lose that voucher thatthey get.
So if they're going to trash it, they don't want to lose it
because the waiting list is solong to get that health I mean
if they lose the program, theylose that, that money.
Oh, I didn't know that.

(28:44):
Yeah so I feel like for themost part I mean most people are
pretty good, but there's badapples and everything like.
I actually just had the two ofthem because they wouldn't pay
their share and it was only like200 bucks, um, and it was just.
Sometimes they slip through thecracks, I mean on paper, they
check out and you just, younever know.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
You're right, um, right, oh, but I've got any
tenant though right like I hadwith others, but the rest of
mine.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
I mean we have over I don't know probably over 15
people on section 8, andeverybody else has been really
good.
Nice and I've.
Yeah, I have an apartment builtin Racine so I had a handful of
people there that were on thehousing program in Racine and
like those are alwayseverybody's really good there.
I haven't had any issues andyeah.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Nice, that's awesome.
Yeah, there's definitely someinteresting programs out there.
I would encourage everybodyhere that has rental properties
to look into some of thedifferent programs out there.
There was another one.
I sold a duplex of mine which Ishouldn't have.
I should have just refinancedit, but anyway I did.
And I was talking to the guywho bought it and I was like,
how's the rental, how's theproperty going?

(29:51):
You know, it was my firstrental I ever had, so it's
always kind of like you're indear to my heart, right, it's
like, oh, it's doing great.
I got uh Kevin, the guy who he'shouse hacking it.
So he's like I got Kevin uh upto I forgot what it was.
It was some really high rentnumber Like, and I was like how
did you do that?
And he's like so we got somekind of veteran, some veteran

(30:13):
assistant rent or something, andit's kind of the same thing
with like Section 8.
Like they tell you what theirmax amount is per bedrooms, and
so he was able to juice thatthing up by a couple hundred
bucks a month.
And then Kevin, our tenant,actually lowered how much he had
to pay every month fromwhatever he was on before.
So I mean, it was a huge,awesome little niche program he
found for this tenant.

(30:33):
Then I was like dang, whydidn't my property manager know?

Speaker 2 (30:35):
about this.
He was there right, like Ishould have an album.
Well, that's the thing too.
Like the other benefit is, theytypically pay a little bit
higher than market rent.
Depending on your area, itcould be 10 to 20 percent higher
, um, so that's another reasonwhy I've been switching a lot
over that way too, and I meanyou get guaranteed a lot of mine
.
I'm getting guaranteed rentthat like a normal tenant was

(30:57):
paying, and then the other sharethat the tenants paying is kind
of like a bonus.
Right, I'm a mine.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's the thing.
Like a lot of people have astigma too with like upper lower
duplexes here in our area Ifound and I love them because
you can put section 8 or you.
You know we call it.
Ics is integrated communityservices in green Bay is one of
them that basically administersthe section eight.
Um, but I mean they're payinglike for like a three bedroom.
I think it's like 1400 bucks or1500 bucks, that same three

(31:26):
bedroom.
If you didn't have that as like, maybe you can get 1200 or
something.
Yeah, you're getting a fewhundred extra bucks a month and
guaranteed by the government, soit's a nice way to.
Yeah, you're getting basicallylike what you could get in like
a nice side-by-side duplex.
You're getting like those samerents in an upper lower duplex,
which is at a much lower costtypically.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
So it's a very fantastic program.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Management.
Wise Corey, are you guysmanaging your own here or how
are you guys doing themanagement?

Speaker 2 (31:51):
It sounded a little bit.
We self-manage a majority ofours and then I do have a team
of guys that are helping me atthe Section 8 and they got maybe
about a dozen of our properties.
So, then we manage the rest ofthem and like I said I think I
said we have 64 units right now,and then they have about a
dozen of our properties.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
So is that a management company, then that's
doing that, or did they just dolike the section eight piece?

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, they're like management I don't know if
they're like official managementcompany, but they, yeah, they
do that, okay, yeah, so that'skind of their niche and we've
partnered on some deals and I'vedone some flips with them
before, so like we're close thatway, so it's cool, cool, yeah,
it works well, real well yeah,it works well, real well, so

(32:36):
it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Dude, what had you decided?

Speaker 2 (32:37):
to do self-management versus third-party management.
So I've tried a lot like othermanagement companies before in
the past and it's like I feellike kind of got to babysit them
and then, as they grow, it'slike I feel like maintenance
requests and all that they justhire anybody and like it gets
ridiculous.
So me, like when I firststarted, every property property
I flipped I would keep, so I'dbuy them and I'd fix them up and

(32:57):
just keep them.
So over the years I built ahandful of contractors and
handymen, which is still abattle.
Today.
I'm still trying to find goodcontractors and people for flips
and rentals.
But I do have a good, decentnetwork of them that I can just
text one of my guys or call themand say, hey, can you check

(33:17):
this out?
So that's big there.
And then we have software andtry to get everybody paying
online.
But we still have a lot ofolder tenants too and long-term
tenants.
So I still have people mailingto our PO box and all that.
Sure, but I mean for the mostpart PO box and all that.
Sure, but I mean for the mostpart it's pretty hands-off.

(33:38):
The hardest part is renting itout.
Okay, it's probably the mosttime-consuming, okay, is that
Okay, but I mean it's up andrunning for the most part.
I mean you don't get a ton ofcalls, okay.
It's pretty nothing's 100's 100passive, but for the most part
I mean it's not too bad okay.

(33:58):
I mean you might get a callonce a week or something with
the amount of properties we haveand yeah, things like that but
do you have any employeesworking for you on this
management side, or is?
it just you, so just me rightnow.
Um, I'm actually I was justtalking with another guy.
I'm like I'm gonna probablybring on a va to like do the
bookkeeping side of things.
Oh sure, I did have somebodyhelping, like actually one of my

(34:21):
wife's friends was helping fora while and they had another
baby and then okay.
So I'm kind of doing all thatnow but okay, bring on a va or
something to maybe take tenantcalls or just help the back end
work and you don't get like myquick, what stuff to do?
Yeah, nice, I have a.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
I have a third party I can connect you with if you
want like a, like a company, todo it.
They've been doing an awesomejob for us and all of our
different entities.
I had I had one of our VAsdoing some of our rental books,
some of our LLCs, for a while,cause it's relatively like
almost already done in a sense.
But then I went and I had thebook company.

(34:59):
Bookkeeping company was doingour books for our wholesaling
business, because there's amillion different transactions
so keeping that all straight isa nightmare and I had them go
through and look at like acouple of them and like just so
much stuff was missed and notclassified properly and all this
and I was like you know what?
It's just worth hiring it outfor me.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Are the companies good at that?
I feel like a lot of it.
I had to switch accountants twoyears ago and I feel like I
don't know finding somebody thatcan understand all that as far
as like, okay, we're buyingstuff, we'll use private lenders
, and like, okay, well, thisisn't income coming in.
It's like rehab funds.
It's like, are they trying tofind somebody that understands

(35:38):
that?
Or classify and all that?
I mean that's yeah, they'vebeen really good.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
They've been really good about it.
Yeah, that was part of theissue with working with the VA
is, like they knew, bookkeepingwith, like you said, real estate
, it's like a whole differentanimal of like.
Yeah, hey, this is actuallyjust you know, refi proceeds,
this is an income, you know.
Yeah, yeah, your balance sheetmaking sure that's all up to
date and accurate, and like,yeah, again, you know how it is.

(36:03):
You got to have good books toget lending from some community
banks and other places.
So, like you don't want thatthing to be a mess, I've had it
several times where we'veswitched over the years, tried
to save a few bucks onbookkeeping, you know, with,
like, outsourcing it to somebodyyou know or a company that has
people overseas that's doing itand doesn't really oversee it
too well, and then we end upspending like months trying to

(36:25):
just undo all of this.
Yeah, for us it hasn't beenworth it.
So I'll connect you with who weuse if you just want to chat
with them and get a quote orwhatever.
Yeah, definitely.
It's.
It's been good for us, though Alittle bumpy at first, but we
worked out a lot of the kinksand then I think they worked out
a lot of kinks on their end asfar as like staff and things
like that, and it's been, it'sbeen really good ever since.

(36:46):
So but but for those people outthere listening, one of the one
of the things that, uh, I wastaught right away when I got
into this business from a mentorwas like make sure you get your
books in order right away, likelike.
I was like, ah, we'll do it atthe end of the year, whatever.
And then he's like, ah, youwant to do it as you go, because
you're gonna forget whathappened.
You know, by the end of the yearyou're trying to reconcile all

(37:07):
this stuff, but it's gonna, andand as an entrepreneur it is not
my favorite thing in the worldto do is to do my least favorite
, like my weakness.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
I gotta get better at doing some of that, because I'm
like go, go, go and it's likewhich is good in a way, but then
I'm like I gotta do this stufftoo, that I kind of put that on
the back burner and yeah, youknow that's why I outsourced it,
because I hate it.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
So I'm like just that's like I'm the same, that's
like I don't stress me out Ican feel my blood pressure going
up as I'm like, if I mess upthat, I have to do it.
I'm like, oh, I'm getting sooverwhelmed and I'm like, why
it's just books?
But it's just something aboutmy personality.
I can't, I can't do that I don'tknow, yeah yeah, well, how are
you financing a lot of thisstuff, corey?

(37:51):
Let's talk about that, becauseyou're getting a lot of your
rental properties similar tolike our strategy of doing the
BRRRR strategy.
Talk to me a little bit aboutsome of the BRRRR financing
examples that you've hadrecently.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah, so pretty much what we do is like a lot of them
, like over the years and I feellike it's hard in the beginning
if you haven't bought aproperty, but like now it's a
lot of private lenders is howwe're using, like our, the funds
we're using to acquire theproperties.
Okay, um, I just it kind ofstarted with a guy from church
and he had a few rentals andhe's like, hey, if you need help

(38:22):
or want to lend, like it kindof snowballed from that.
So I, he's like the first guy acouple years ago that like just
offered.
Um, he saw what I was doing andbeing on social media helps too
.
Like I picked up lenders thatway.
People like you want to see youhave a track record.
So like, if we're just new,start out private lending might
not be the best way.

(38:42):
If you want to try to bird deal, you're probably better buying.
Are you buying a property witha hard money lender?
Yeah, but once you build atrack record, I mean people will
come to you with money.
Yeah, and I know for me, likeI've always heard in the
beginning, like when I startedout to find a good deal of money
will come.
I'm like it didn't make anysense to me.
I'm like I have no idea.
I'd freak out like how am Igoing to finance this?

(39:04):
And think you have to dotraditional financing, which you
don't.
Um, I mean, that's's one way,it's the easiest way.
I mean, and maybe, if you'restarting out, I recommend maybe
you go that traditional way andjust get a track record so
people know if that's somethingyou want to do.
Get your regular traditionalfinancing or DSCR type of loans
to you know, get a couple ofproperties under your belt and

(39:25):
let people know what you'redoing, and then they can pick up
private lenders.
But private lenders is a bigthing.
And then, second, there wouldbe like a hard money lender.
Okay, I mean, we had like sixslips gone and I think I had
like three or four refinances atonce.
So like, obviously it's for youto use your own money doing all
that.
It's like you're tying up a lotof funds and rehab funds.
So like, like we have privatelenders and hard money lenders

(39:47):
that were funding all that andwe have five of them right now
Flip's going where a couple ofthem are under contract Three of
them.
Two of them are set to closesoon and then we have three that
are in progress and then I havetwo more refinances.
So it's buying with the privatelender or hard money lender as

(40:08):
far as rental goes, and theneither a commercial dscr lender
is what I'm doing to refinance.
Okay, um, a little bit on that.
Like, a lot of the dscr lendersdon't like to finance under 75
000, so I can't like commercialtype of loans.
Okay on that.
So the commercial lenders, Imean they typically don't have a

(40:30):
minimum balance, but they'retypically three five-year arms
amortized over 20 or 25 yearsFor me at those purchase prices
I don't really mind it.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
If you're on 20, 25-year arms, you're paying a
ton of principal off,comparatively speaking.
A lot of mine are on 30 yearsnow because I just haven't been
able to get stuff kept to cashflow.
On 20, 25 year arms too, you'repaying a ton of principal off,
comparatively speaking, like alot of mine are in 30 years now
cause I just haven't been ableto get stuff kept to cashflow on
20 or 25.
So I found a lender, acommunity bank locally that'll
do 30 year and so a lot of those, to make the cashflow numbers
work.
But the downside is, like fiveyears you haven't really made a
huge dent in the principal.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
So you're not building as much wealth
necessarily as, yeah, it couldbe.
But I mean what we do too.
So, like, I guess the otherthing I look at is we're buying
at a significant discount, youknow.
So, like that's kind of wheresome of that is and I need to
chip in a way at the principal alittle bit.
But right, right, you know.
So if you buy right, I meanthat helps too well if you're
burning them.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
you know, like I just did a, a podcast where I think
it's going to come out beforethe one before, so the audience
would have just listened to thisepisode prior to ours.
I just did a deal breakdown onone where I'm cash flowing
probably $23 a door, if I'mlucky, per month, two doors, so

(41:47):
upper, lower duplex.
But I burned it, so I have nomoney into this deal and that's
got.
I think I have 48 grand ofequity from you know, right
after I've refinanced it.
So it's like to me that's stilla smoking deal for me If, even
if I'm making 23 bucks, if Ilet's say you haven't have two
grand in this thing, you knowI'm still.
That's pretty, still prettygood.
Return on Still pretty goodreturn on it.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Well, the other thing too, like people don't get is
you get the tax benefits anddepreciation.
So if you have a higher income,whether you're flipping or
wholesaling or doing any of that, you buy a property there and
you get the regular depreciation.
But you can cost, segregate ittoo and accelerate it.
So that's the other benefitplus the equity.
So it's more on technicallyit's more than 23 bucks a door

(42:33):
if you factor in all thosethings, but a lot of people
don't see that either.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
So, right, well, and the way I look at it is like you
know, we have the, thewholesaling business flipping.
That's all kind of cash to liveoff of, business, right.
And then these rentals I don'tneed need the cash flow
necessarily from them to liveoff of sure.
So for me it's really justabout starting the clock of
getting that tenant to be payingthat debt down and get the
property to start appreciating.
And the sooner I can start thatclock five, 10 years from now,

(42:58):
my future self is going to bevery grateful that I started
that clock.
They're not going to be likedude, I can't believe you bought
this thing and only cashflow 23bucks a door, but now we've got
, you know, 150 grand of equityhere.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
You shouldn't have made that purchase, you know
it's like we have probably 50%equity in most of our portfolio,
so it's really high equity, Imean, which helps too.
So if I need to offloadsomething like I'm going to have
funds there, I can 1031 intosomething else where I can
always sell one off a year andbe fine.

(43:31):
You know, yeah, so I mean partof it's coming to buy and write
and, um, like I said, I startedbuying almost 20 a little over
20 years ago.
It has.
So I mean, some of those arethat's paid down a lot in that
time.
So that's amazing, dude I lovethat.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
That's so great.
Yeah, that's the other thingtoo.
Like I look at cash flowdifferently now.
I've talked about this on a fewof the episodes.
Like I refinanced an apartmentback when rates were like 3% or
whatever stupid rates duringCOVID and I didn't cashflow
anything on it for like twoyears, cause every time like a
tenant would move out, I'd haveto put all that money back in.
And then after two years Irefinanced and I pulled out like

(44:08):
240 grand on a refi and I waslike, oh, there's my cash flow.
Right, I just had to wait liketwo years to get it.
Yep, and it was tax-free, whichis my favorite kind of money.
Yeah, getting that tax-freemoney is my favorite kind of
money.
So, yeah, that's what I loveabout the BRRRR.
I think that's probably whatyou and I probably have in
common there, and you, like yousaid, you can do a lot with

(44:30):
these things.
So if you start acquiring them,corey, now you've acquired over
20 years.
Now you've got these littlechess pieces.
You can do all kinds ofdifferent things with refinance.
You can sell it, you can.
You could trade it up, youcould do 10, 31 into a bigger
property, like.
You can do all kinds of stuffwith it.
So I'm I'm probably similar toyou in that I don't really care
when I'm buying it, what it is,as long as the numbers make

(44:52):
sense for me.
I know that I don't have to bemarried to that property.
I can use that as a chess piece, later sell it, do something
different with it whatever thecase is, it's kind of hard right
now.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
I'm like, hey, what's my next move?
People always ask.
I'm like I'm not sure.
Yet I'm at a good spot whereI'm like I'm looking for these
things, I can do this, I coulddo that.
I could do nothing.
I mean I don't buy another one,but if I can get it free or
practically free, I'll do that.
So we're in a good spot doingthat.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yeah, you just keep taking base hits and pretty soon
you look back and they add upover time and 64 units at 50%
equity.
Nothing to sneeze at there,dude.
That's pretty incredible Cool.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
What you've been able to build man over time and
you're doing it the right way,which is great too I mean,
that's another huge piece ofthings here is making sure we're
doing things the right way,we're treating people the right
way, Having that high integrityand giving investors a good
reputation is super importantout there for all of us.
So, yeah, I love it, man.
Well, dude court has beenawesome, man.

(45:56):
I think there's tons of nuggetsin here.
I always end with a little funquestion, and where I came up
with this is because we havepeople out of state that don't
really know about Wisconsin,right, and so we want to tell
them a little bit about it.
So for you, do you have afavorite Wisconsin tradition or
place that you like to visithere in this great state, in?

Speaker 2 (46:10):
here.
Oh man, I don't know.
I mean I I grew up going likeWisconsin Dells.
That was kind of like my, ourlittle thing, like, like I said,
I grew up like our parentsdidn't have a ton of money but
we'd go spend a weekend up thereand um, have the water parks
and do all the shopping andthings there.
Um, that's probably the biggestthing we would do growing up at

(46:32):
that I remember.
Um, yeah, otherwise, there's somuch outdoor stuff and parts
and recreation.
I mean it's, it's awesome hereit is.
Sometimes they're fun.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah, I just was.
Uh, I was just telling a guy wehad a wedding yesterday and uh,
I was just telling one of theguys there he, he does a lot of
road trip and stuff like thatand I said, you know, it's crazy
, we just got back from a twoweek road trip out West and
pulling back into like Wisconsin, it's amazing how green
everything is here compared tolike a lot of the States out
West.
It's very brown and like dryout there and you get into

(47:05):
Wisconsin you're like holy cow,there's into wisconsin.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
You're like holy cow.
There's like if your favoritecolor is green, you should be in
wisconsin.
It's pretty like really goodscenery.
I mean even like you drive outtoward lacrosse and like up
north, I mean just the sceneryand like green and the I don't
know.
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yeah, it is we have a great state here for sure.
Well, cory, this is awesome.
Man.
If anybody wants to connect upwith you, whether they have a
deal they want to, uh, possiblyget over to you or maybe just
talk to you about you know theirown journey is there a good way
for them to reach out to youthat you'd prefer?

Speaker 2 (47:38):
yeah, I mean they could either on on facebook or
instagram um, probably the twobiggest ones.
I'm, I'm there and basically mymy first and last name, so cory
and you, you can start P-A-S-Z.
It should pop up or InstagramI'm Corey and I'm P-A-S.
Okay, corey Pez on Instagramand I'm pretty active on all

(48:00):
those and try to respond asquick as I can.
Cool, awesome man.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Well, very good, and, as we said earlier, corey gets
a lot of his deals from socialmedia, and I Very good, and, as
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If you can do that for us, thathelps us a ton and we really
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Lastly, you guys, if you wantto get our Burr for Beginners
course Corey and I talked a lotabout the Burr process today If
you want to get that course, weare giving it away for free Now.

(48:49):
We used to sell for 1900 bucks.
You can now get it for free.
You just got to go to thewebsite, get on the buyer's list
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He's got the code.
You got to talk to him.
We make you talk to him, buthe'll give you the code for free
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So with that, corey, we willwrap here.
My friend, I appreciate yourtime and for all of you guys, we
will see you on.