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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Welcome back to yet another episode of the World
Through Zen Eyes podcast.
I'm Jan Gansinian here with….
I'm Dr Ruben Lambert.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Pleasure seeing you, sir.
Sir, good to see you one weekolder than the last episode yeah
, that's, that doesn't take anyeffort.
The older bit we want to be oneweek wiser, maybe yeah the
older bit is just it all dependswhat you did in that time span,
right, right, well, I've donesome meditation, some chanting,
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some reflecting, and I've comeup with some new and improved
ideas that we're going to sharewith the audience today about
reincarnation.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Some of the ideas from last week have been
recycled and repolished.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Very good they're becoming Fantastic from last
week have been recycled andrepolished and very good,
they'll be coming fantastic.
Yes, so this is a first for us,a two-part episode.
Mm-hmm, this is reincarnationpart two.
No, this is reincarnation,reincarnated.
(01:24):
Yes, again, here we are.
We spoke last time about thereincarnation and the six realms
and the most commoninterpretation of what
reincarnation means, what it is.
And to just kind, of circleback you mean to reincarnate
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back into the reincarnationepisode about reincarnation?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
that we were in the last backwards reincarnation.
Well, at the end of the episodewe all said I'll be back.
And here we are again.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Right.
But you know there's aninteresting thing, because I'll
tell you why.
This will hopefully make senseto others, as it's just now made
some sense to my own brain,which is a dangerous place to
invite people into.
Hope you are all sitting orbuckled in or you have helmets,
because down into the Myung-un'smind we go Not really so much.
(02:30):
I am talking about the two fanmail requests and they both have
to do with karma.
So let's see One said Lovelypodcast.
Today I have a suggestion.
(02:51):
You mentioned karma.
I am interested in finding outif we repeat our past karma for
a reason.
Are we aware that we are doingit?
Also, is there any way that wecan pay our karmic debt to
become free of it?
This is a question from Jane.
We also have a question fromLouise.
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Can we ever know our karma?
How can we work it out withoutknowing?
Can we ever know if we paid ourkarmic debt?
Thank you, louise.
And so interesting on theaccount that the….
And we'll certainly be doing anepisode on, because these
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questions betray a certain,albeit very common,
misunderstanding of the karma ina sense.
So we have to absolutely do anepisode or a few on that.
But I bring it up because thisidea of repeating karma and so
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now we're talking aboutreincarnation and repeating
karma is an interesting thing.
When we consider repeat, weconsider this kind of going back
right, that we are going backas if we were on a Ferris wheel,
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backwards moving right, and sowe started at the bottom and
then went around full circle andthen we're back at the bottom
again.
I'd like an imagery of usstanding, not being in the cart
of the Ferris wheel, butstanding outside and the cart is
in front of us, in our field ofthe Ferris wheel, but standing
outside and the cart is in frontof us in our field of vision,
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and off it goes, sort ofdisappears, and in that cart,
let's say, you have your phantomof trauma or we focus so much
on trauma, but it could be anyjoyous thing, whatever it is,
let's call it a thing and soyou're standing there and that
thing begins to move and shortlyit disappears right before us,
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this kind of field of vision,and it disappears.
But if you wait long enough, itcomes back from the other side,
in a sense disappears, but ifyou wait long enough, it comes
back from the other side, in asense.
So this image of this kind ofcyclical thing as not us being
in it but us being an observerof it, right?
So this imagery of the mereincarnating sort of being in
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that cart and coming around orme standing outside of the cart
and something kind ofreincarnating, so we could say
reincarnation is the first andkind of repetition of karma
being the second.
And this image that you know,let's say that this wheel is
turning clockwise so it goes offyour field of vision, off the
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left, but when it re-enters itre-enters from the right, and so
we have this idea of maybe thislinear thing.
So I've never seen this thing.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Oh wow, you think it's new.
You think it's new, yes.
It's not, but so if I Peoplethink about that oftentimes too,
like the idea of coincidencesand deja vu and things like that
, right, like people who I'veencountered in my life.
Sometimes people encountersomebody and it's a new
encounter which then, from theperspective of it being linear,
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right, it came out of thedarkness in your periphery.
Now you encountered it and soyour perception, based on where
you stand, with limited insight,limited wisdom, you reflect on
it and you say this is new,right.
But from the greaterperspective, when you look at it
with the eyes of wisdom, withZen eyes, and you look at this
circularity and reincarnationprinciple, there's a common
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thing out there in the New Age,I think, movement, and of course
we understand this from theBuddhist perspective is that
we've encountered many peoplebefore, and when we talk about
Buddhism, we have the concept ofdoban, and you've spoken in
your pomons about the how manykop, which is eons, right, that
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if you've eaten in the same, ifyou've eaten food with somebody,
that means you've lived severaleons in the same household
versus same village, right, andthen things like that.
So you have encountered certainindividuals before.
We're all traveling on thisrock, and this is what I mean
when I say that there are thesecommon.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I'm gonna call them misunderstandings rock, and this
is what I mean when I say thatthere is a, that there are these
common.
you know, I'm going to call themmisunderstandings and and um,
this is not to scold anyone yetha no but the idea is that
they're misunderstanding,because we have to understand a
little bit of a nuance to getreally the the main gist of it,
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because they appear right.
Like I said, there's a cyclicalthing, right.
So in the card, cyclical, outof the card, cyclical, ferris
wheel, round and round we go andso it's very easy to either
draw conclusions or kind of jumpto a conclusion and so.
But back to the topic at hand.
Even though they areintertwined, we meander as we do
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Reincarnation, rebirth Forthose of you who are having
heart palpitations as I say thewords reincarnation, because I
have devoured too manyintellectuals.
Okay no scolding, I promise.
No, I don't do such things aspromises.
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We have introduced, if you will, the concept of reincarnation
as this usually thought of thing, that is to say, I live alive
and I live to the end of itwhenever that comes, and I live
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out of it and whoop, I go tosomething and I have now
reincarnated, perhaps in anotherrealm, in another realm of
existence.
We've talked about those, omMANI, padme HUM, the six realms
of reincarnation, thedestinations, if you will, and I
don't recall, because a weekago was so long ago for me.
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But we have to also understand,even in that major kind of
reincarnation idea of whatreincarnation is a person,
namely someone reincarnated intohuman form, because they're not
as clearly defined as we alsoimagine them to be, to be, and
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there is a.
There's going to be overlapbetween these principles,
because to really grasp it wewould have to very clearly
define the terms, namely what isthe physical existence, what is
our psychological existence,what is our spiritual existence,
what is our emotional existence?
You name it right.
So there's going to be a littlebit of room for overlap and
things of that nature, butperhaps in other episodes we
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could do more nuance.
The reason why I say that isbecause someone could be a human
being, reincarnated as a humanbeing.
I think I know where you'regoing.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I've encountered many people of the kind that you're
about to describe.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yes, and so you have a human being and one could say
I have reincarnated as a humanbeing, and again, without
defining terms.
But let's just move on.
There are people who are humanbeings and yet have the
proclivity or at times itdoesn't have to be that they're
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24 hours a day doing the thing,and we'll get into that also but
they can act.
A person could be a human beingand act frankly like an animal,
governed and driven by the samemotivation and the same, you
know, impetus that an animalwould.
I think I went a little bit ona tangent of the agui, the
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hungry ghosts and the likes, anda person of insatiable
appetites for love and foradmiration, and sometimes for
acceptance, and sometimes forthe appetite and the hunger for
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being understood and being knownor being unknown.
It goes in every whichdirection you can imagine.
If the appetite for the thingis insatiable, it is imprisoning
.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
It's almost like a Guns N' Roses album.
It's an appetite fordestruction.
It's an appetite fordestruction's an appetite for
it's a bottomless hole.
I think the if you highlight aperson who is under the grips of
addiction, it's a good exampleof this insatiable appetite,
because there's a, there's asaying when it comes to
substances, if you're addictedto them, one is too much and one
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million, whatever number onegoogleplex, you can add the
biggest number you know to thatis never enough oh so the zen
thing, and there's this hunger,this hunger, insatiable hunger
and a driving force where aperson at the point of addiction
, whatever their values are.
At that very moment, when theperson's brain uh gets into this
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state of insatiable hunger, itwill dismiss even the basic core
necessities of life.
It will override even your needfor food your need for love,
whatever relationships you valueAt the moment, when your brain
is emotionally hijacked by thisinsatiable driving force to get
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the fix of the drug, it willdismiss the value, destroy all
those things that you, at onepoint, when you're sober, value
and admire and need for yourbeing.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
It will override your morals.
All of that gets pushed to thewayside.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
So this is a.
I think this is a good exampleof a hungry ghost.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
It's a big mouth.
Yeah, it's a big mouth thateats and devours, and I know of
people who they would devour thelife-saving of their mother.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I had a friend who I went with.
I went to high school, I think.
Yes, I went to high school withhim and he had a friend in turn
who was, you know, addicted todrugs.
And this fella tells me thisstory.
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He says we were in my mother'shouse or wherever they were, so
they're in a house.
No, he was in that guy's house.
And so this guy, they're in thehouse and they're whirling and
devouring monsters rearing itshead.
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And this kid has this brilliantidea because they have no money
, you know.
And he goes all right, I gotanother idea, wait.
And I mean there's.
It's comical, grotesque, it'shorrible, it's all things
simultaneously.
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This guy walks into a closet inhis house and his friend, who's
sitting at the table, hearsnoises punching and things
breaking.
And what's going on?
A few minutes later, the guycomes out of the closet covered
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in sheetrock dust.
He went into his closet,punched through the sheetrock
walls, my goodness Went into theadjacent apartment and robbed
and stole their money, whateverit is, and came out you know,
sheetrock chips and dust.
I got money, let's go.
So you know the one thing andthis is certainly not anything
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to joke about, but there is aperseverance like any other.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
There, if you channel that mentality.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
If you channel that mentality of you know to other
lives, endeavors, nothing isunaccomplishable.
I mean, you know partiallygenius of an idea, right, it's
just right.
There, it's just's just.
You know you walk into a door.
You may no door, you make adoor, you know.
So it's partially an idea.
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You know a genius idea in asense, but obviously at the same
time it's it's, it's.
The devouring monster hasdevoured any ethics, any morals,
any, any concept of futureconsequence and repercussions.
None of it comes into the mindwhen that monster rears its head
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.
And so we could say that oneperson can be a human being, but
then also kind of a Venndiagram thing right that they
could overlap, and some peoplehave it for you know, we could
say, for more time in theirlives and some have it for a
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shorter period of their lives.
So there is that, on the otherhand, if we really kind of
filter out this idea what it isto be a human being and what it
is to be a person, because onecould draw that distinction we
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are human beings, beings, right,a dog is a being, an animal
being, and we, you know, becausewe have certain capacities, etc
.
But we are an animal, obviouslyand clearly an animal, right.
So that's the thing, right, weare, which one then is like okay
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, are we in the animal realm?
We, we are, which one.
Then then it's like okay, whatare we?
Are we in the animal realm orare we in a human realm?
Right, and so these, thesedistinctions aren't as clear as
we would like them, and they'renot as neat as we would like
them to be, and and, and we mustbe very cautious in terms of,
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uh, subscribing to these kind ofclearly defined boundaries,
because things aren't, and sowhat we get?
then, is this Venn diagram thing, when we can overlap and, like
I said, for the entirety of ourlives we are sort of one foot in
the human realm, one foot in ananimal realm.
But if we have the, this is ona physical level.
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We cannot escape being ananimal.
We are, but we're also human,sure.
So, and then we have, you know,the body of research when it
comes to that large incarnationand reincarnation.
I mean, you have what's hisname?
Yeah, there's a book by uh drian stevenson and dr ian
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stevenson.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
He is a trained medical physician and he
dedicated his life to researchof cases that involved
reincarnation.
Thousands yeah thousands andit's not anecdotal because he
actually he worked out of theUniversity of Virginia and he
used a rigorous scientificmethod to justify the points and
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corroborate the points thatwere being made by the cases
that he was studying.
So it says here, just to give alittle brief summary of the book
there's a book that he wrotewhere reincarnation and biology
intersect and it says childrenwho claim to remember a previous
life have been found in manyparts of the world, particularly
in the Buddhist and Hinducountries of South Asia, among
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the Shiite peoples of Lebanonand Turkey, the tribes of West
Africa and the AmericanNorthwest.
Stevenson has collected over2,600 reported cases of past
life memories, of which 65detailed reports have been
published.
Specific information from thechildren's memories have been
collected and matched with thedata of their former identity,
family, residence and manner ofdeath.
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Birthmarks or otherphysiological manifestations
have been found to relate toexperiences of the remembered
past life, particularly violentdeath.
Writing as a specialist inpsychiatry and as a
world-renowned scientificinvestigator of reported
paranormal events, stevensonasked us to suspend our Western
tendencies to disbelieve inreincarnation and consider the
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reality of the burgeoning recordof cases now available and
consider the reality of theburgeoning record of cases now
available.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah, it's interesting.
There are interesting pointsthere because for one, children
and I've mentioned we've had amember of the Sangha whose child
was sort of that typicalsituation in which Dr Stevenson
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talks about.
From what I recall, I think itwasn't very well known and very
broadly circulated.
Because he did write and hewrote largely, I think, for the
scientific community and verykind of technical in that, and
that wasn't a as interestingmaybe to the general public.
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So he published a lot of his,his findings, in the scientific
journals and, and the otherinteresting part is, you know,
the children in the countries inwhich, and and he, he, he
realizes that right, heacknowledges the danger of a
child brought up in a culture,brought up in a religion,
brought up in a belief systemwhere reincarnation is the thing
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, and so he understands that youknow, children are
impressionable.
So if they hear, if they know ofreincarnationation and a kid
wants to feel special, says I amreincarnation of you know.
And the joke then is because wehave these, what is it?
The past life regression?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
There is a form of hypnosis that is called past
life regression.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
And the joke is that everybody in those stories,
everybody is a Napoleon, andeverybody in those stories,
everybody is a Napoleon andeverybody is a famous nobody is
a farmer.
You know in the south, you know, but it's so.
He in his Stevenson, that is,in his research.
I think he sifts andunderstands that and has ways to
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make sure that that is not thecase so there are a few
anecdotal stories that I thinkare interested in.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Maybe I'll highlight just a few here for our audience
.
One that is making its roundsthrough social media is about a
uh someone, a child, who I thinkaround the age of seven or
started to tell his parents thathe was murdered.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
That's late too, and then he.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You know parents kept hearing this time and time
again and so it did pique theircuriosity.
So they actually investigatedit and the child was able to,
with great detail, identify theplace of his burial.
And it just so happened that hewas murdered by his neighbor
and the parents went there withthe police.
They dug the exact spot wherethe child delineated where he
was buried and they did find hisbones and they did find
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evidence of the neighbor havingto do with the murder and the
person was arrested.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
There's a movie.
Now, as you're saying this,there's a movie with, with an
actor.
There's a movie.
I think it's like it's someyoung kid.
It is is, be friends, a grownwoman and claims to be her
husband or something.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I think it was called made in heaven, made in heaven.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I don't know it's a there's, it's that stuff is out
there.
So there's this overlap, that.
And this is where we kind ofwanted to do the second part,
because we have the physical andthat great cycle of
reincarnation you're a human,you're an animal, realm, etc.
Etc.
The physicality of it.
But then we have what isfrequently dismissed or not
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understood as reincarnation isthe repetitive kind of karmic
circle, no-transcript, and thisisn't to say it's like look at
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you acting like an animal, lookat you, you know no-transcript,
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such terrible powers,shintongnyok superpowers, not
superpowers we have, but youknow, ability to know the minds
of others, ability to blah, blah, blah.
You know that we have five mainthings, but this is a pursuit.
Why?
So that we can better serve theother person, so that we can
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better serve people in general,to know where the person is and
which realm they are in thismoment.
We can then match appropriatelythe antidote to their suffering
, the medicine to their achesand pains and ills.
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And that is to say that itwould appear that, well, if a
person is suffering from, youknow, from emotional turmoil, if
they're anxious, right, and itwould appear that the same well,
it's anxiety.
So give them anxiety medicinein a sense, and not necessarily
chemically, but in this casewe're talking about advice and
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whatever.
But that's not the casenecessarily, because an animal
can live in a state of anxiety.
Typically they A human being canlive in a state of anxiety.
An agri can be in a state ofanxiety, right, typically they.
Yeah.
A human being can live in astate of anxiety.
An agi can be in a state ofanxiety.
Hell realm could be the stateof anxiety non-stop.
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So so what is the matching thing?
It's it's like a physician whotakes your, your medical history
to say what medicine, I meanyou will penicillin work, and if
you're allergic to it, youcan't be given that.
And so certain states ofreincarnation, certain states,
are more, certain medicines aremore appropriate for certain
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states.
You know that being and nowwe're speaking psychologically
and I'm not going into thespiritual element right, but
that being will not be helped,right, by the same advice that a
being of another realm can behelped, you know.
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So the medicine must match theone who suffers.
And if they suffer within arealm of existence, okay, let's
say, for example, there areheaven realms which are then
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characterized, which are thencharacterized where people are
not likely to follow advice andfollow the teachings of those
heavenly beings.
Why?
Because they have ego, sort,you know, sort of, you know,
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arrogance.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Right.
That connects to the story thatI said last week about Joseph
Campbell and Indra, king of thegods.
Right, he built this greatpalace.
He felt high and mighty andthen a monk without clothes came
in and he was just coughing himbecause it's like you're
entering my palace looking likethis, right, yeah, there's this
arrogance there.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
So, yeah, so abundance on one hand right, and
then somebody else could, andanother realm can have an
abundance of something also, andand then the the medicine is
going to be different dependingon those realms of existence,
and so what we call then challato challa reincarnation, that is
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to say moment to momentreincarnation.
And if one had seen the tenghua, the painting that usually is
on the Shinjung altar, theDharma Guardian's altars, I mean
, you see the faces and thefacial expressions of those
beings.
And you know, we can say, on onedimension of this thing, those
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are the faces, the multi-facetedexpression of who we are as a
human being innocence.
And then so we transmigrate,transmigrate, transmigrate these
various realms.
There's a 11-phase bodhisattva.
Anyway, the point being is thatevery moment is subject to
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change.
I mean, that is thecharacteristic mode of operation
.
All is in constant flux,everything is in a state of
change and impermanence.
To imagine ourselves to belocked in such a plastic kind of
format you know, we're notBarbie doll, we're not a canned
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kind of plastic.
And you know, you gotsemi-mobility in your shoulder
joint and that's all you getright, the pliability and and
the and this is, you know, onone hand, such a fascinating
thing as a human being that wecan, we are boundless, in a
sense, and and and it's ablessing and a curse
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simultaneously.
Because we are boundless, wecan do anything, but also,
because we are boundless, we arethe miserable in the
boundlessness of it.
Because if no control, if notraining of control, if no state
of wakefulness is available tothe person, one will never, ever
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know If you're not conscious,if you're not awake within
yourself as you go through yourday to day.
It's a big thing, but in theleast one needs to start
training somewhere, to sort ofput this thing because it could
be an academic exercise.
Well, you know, these are therealms of existence and this is
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how they are characterized, andyou could spend years studying
this thing, receiving anythingmeaningful out of your study,
then this is where Zen frowningupon academic pursuit of
enlightenment sits.
So if you work.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I think you're referring to people that
regurgitate words.
Well, versus suheng, that wealways go back to actually
delving into the words and doingthe work.
You know, if you talk aboutOmani Padme Hum in the charlatan
, charlatan, moment to moment,reincarnation, can you catch it?
Did you catch it?
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If you're not paying attention,it's a lightning flash.
Most people wake up mid-moviewithout any awareness.
It's almost like people thatbecome blackout drunks and they
engage in reckless behavior.
You know, I was drunk, throwingup and then cleaning the floor,
and with the same rag that Icleaned the floor I was cleaning
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my face of the throw up.
And then you just wake up in apool of vomit and someone then
the next day shows you a videoand you're like look what you
did.
And you're like I have no idea,right, you're just blackout
drunk.
Right, you, you were physicallythere, but you didn't catch it
right, it's too late.
Or you punched a hole in thewall because you were angry, and
what did you just go through?
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Things don't happen without aprocess.
So yeah, like you're referring,the Suheng piece is to be
wakeful in the moment-to-momentchanges of your mood, your
thoughts.
What state have you been in?
And this isn't that complicated.
Again, you can go spiritual andzen gives you access to a lot
of depth but just reflect on howyou feel moment to moment and
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you'll see moods change, justlike the weather I would say
you're happy maybe that's yourheaven, but you're not
constantly in a state ofhappiness, because day-to-day
life isn't the same.
That changes too right.
So you will encounter somethingthat will challenge you, you
will encounter something that'sa stressor, and then how do you
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react to that?
Then, if you're complainingbecause someone took your
parking spot or someone took thelast cookie box and they beat
you to it, and now you're mothereffing them and cursing them
out, well then stop at thatmoment and think well, if I was
in a state of happiness, thatwas my heaven.
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Well, where did I reincarnateto?
At that very instant, you werein heaven.
You were in heaven.
And now what?
You were plunged into a mawan.
You're angry and you're upsetand you wanna tackle a poor old
lady cause she beat you to thecookies, right?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
You know, as you said , as you spoke of the cookie, I
had a flash of this meme that Isaw of the office pizza party.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
And I wanna say it was COVID time.
It must have been Well, but itwas this idea.
And it said you know, there wasan office party and one person
took the last slice, I think itwas, or two.
How did it go?
(35:20):
Something to the effect ofthere were two people and each
one of them took the last slice.
One did it.
See, the idea was one did itbecause there wasn't enough for
everybody and the other oneBecause there wasn't enough.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
And the other one what?
Because it wasn't enough, andthe other one what?
Because they wanted too much.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
That's the thing.
No, because the idea was likeshortage, right, like when we
had shortage and that DuringCOVID yes, that magical.
I still don't understand thetoilet paper thing oh God, I
have a story for that, but sothat's the thing, right.
So the idea was that somepeople, because there was a
(36:09):
shortage, took less.
That's the point.
And some people because therewas a shortage.
They took more.
Right, you know what I mean.
So like yeah, one is thinkingthere's not enough, there's a
shortage.
Let me leave some for others.
And the other person there's ashortage, me, me me.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I want it all for me.
Yes, there's a shortage.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Because there's a shortage.
What am I gonna do?
What are you gonna do?
Right, there are other, moreimportant things than voiding
bowels is what you could do,yeah really really fast, yeah,
really fast.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
My so my mother-in-law, in the time of
the pandemic, came from cuba,and cuba is very famous, for
there's a joke they say wherethe smartest butts in the world
lie, and that's in cuba, becausethey wipe their behinds with
newspapers.
And so, you know, due to the,for economic reasons, there's
that shortage, and then they alllook to the united states, the
first world, as being the placeof abundance, and and so she
(37:01):
comes in a pandemic andeveryone's mocking Cuba for
their shortage.
And here she is thinking she'sin the land where the streets
are paved with gold and Iremember going to Costco and
we're there, we're getting thereand we're like we're gonna just
grab a few, and then, sorry sir, we ran out.
I was like, oh, so embarrassed,when can I hide right now?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Talk about reincarnation.
So she went from a place whereyou wipe and then back to
another place where wipingapparently is the preoccupation
of your general mindset.
So this idea of moment-to-momentreincarnation, right
Moment-to-moment, is a hardplace to start.
We have to acknowledge that.
(37:44):
So I propose, or I wouldsuggest, if you go to work, for
one understanding I am at home,this is one realm of existence.
I go to work, it is anotherrealm of existence.
And we automatically do so,right?
(38:04):
You, I mean you, behavedifferently at work than you do
at home.
You behave differently withyour spouse.
Then you behave different.
You love your childrendifferently than a lot of your
wife or your husband.
You love your husband andchildren are different than you
love you, your parents, etc.
Etc.
So love across the board, butwhat kind and for whom?
And in that same way,considering these various
(38:40):
aspects of our day-to-day livingas different realms of
existence, then requiring of usdifferent realms of different
ways of behavior that areappropriate for said realm in
which one exists.
And so one mustn't come fromwork working as a CEO of a
Fortune 500 company, set foot intheir house and forget that
they now have reincarnated intothe different realm of existence
Because your spouse and yourchildren aren't your employees.
(39:01):
But if you've, if you're, ifyou've been working and dealing
with employees and subordinates,you know your whole entire day
and you come home and youhaven't realized you've
reincarnated into differentstate, different realm of
existence.
You're then likely and subjectto treat your spouse and your
(39:23):
children and your family membersas your workers and
subordinates and whatever, andyou will then magically turn
that realm into yet anotherrealm, because you will turn it
into a war zone or hell realm.
And so the easy and we startwith the easy and big ones,
(39:44):
right, you go into a supermarket, my, the comfort that you have
at home, the uh, um, what's theword?
(40:10):
I don't have a word.
Make a genome.
Yeah, accommodations, let'scall it that.
Sure you, you go into theaccommodations that are made by
your family members in your home.
You cannot expect, you cannottake that.
Go to the supermarket andexpect the supermarket to
provide you with the sameaccommodations that are provided
(40:33):
by your family members.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
They can't roll out the red carpet for you.
Well, they're not going toserve at the feet of the guru,
and that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
That's the thing.
That's yet another realm.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
That expectation will create a major clash if you go
out there with that kind ofexpectation.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
And that word is appropriate, but it escapes me
Ka, you know, when somebodybends and adjusts to your needs
and makes con Concedesconcessions, concessions, that's
it, concessions the concessionsthat you're, you're that are
(41:09):
made for you by people closerinto your lives.
You cannot now go into a largerworld and say, make concessions
for me because, just because,why you're in a different realm
of existence, you have tounderstand where you are.
You know and and that's kind ofthat idea of of where, which
realm of existence I am in, andwe this is the craziest thing
(41:34):
because we do it automatically,right?
You?
You speak differently to your,to your parents, than you speak
to your children.
You wouldn't speak to yourchildren the way you speak to
your parents and vice versa,because you are there in a
different realm of existence.
So in the least, one ought tobe awake enough to know if
(41:57):
they've crossed those major andclearly defined borders of the
realms in which one is currentlyexisting.
Then, next level level up levelup, level up or level down.
However you look at it the nextlevel of awareness of one's own
(42:20):
realm of existence.
And this principle ofreincarnation is one's emotional
reincarnation.
And you sort of hinted at that,right, you, you can be elated
and you could be joyous, andsomething happens and all of a
sudden, your, your, your joy hasdissipated completely and been
replaced by fury.
(42:41):
Let's say that without knowingthat, without realizing that,
without thinking ah, I have nowjust reincarnated into another
thing.
What we do largely is and thishas been a thing because one
(43:04):
could be then accused ofinvalidating an emotional state,
and this is not what we'resaying.
We're not saying your emotionsare, you know, but we're saying
be awake to it, be awake to it.
And again, if you are thenupset about something, know that
within the realm of angeroperates on a different set of
principles than the realm of,because then what we get is this
(43:27):
strange overlap of abusiverelationships, right when these
lines of cajoling and thenmanipulation are blurred, you
know, manipulated by harshnessor manipulated by love.
You know, love bombing tosoften you up, just to then
(43:49):
bruise you up, right when we areunaware of these realms, then
these spillovers happen and whatwe are then subject and in
danger of is psychological.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Yeah, for one manipulation also, and
everyone's, I think everyrelationship influencers.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Favorite word gaslighting, gaslighting right,
all those things, and so that'sthat's the one thing, right it's
.
It's then the realm of whatemotional realm am I in?
Am I acting?
Am I in a heavenly mode or moodof realm?
Am I in hellish realms ofexistence, plunged into, you
(44:33):
know, torment and suffering, etcetera, et cetera.
And knowing that, it kind ofgives you a kind of a step back,
it creates a little bit ofspace to know I have entered
into a space, into a way ofbeing which is different than to
say I am Right, I am angry,right, if you are angry, that's
(44:58):
it Game over, you cannot beanything else.
Then, right, yeah, because thetruth is I, I am angry now, I am
happy, now I am this, but the Iam is is, you know, it's a
language thing, but what it'salmost suggests is I am and
that's all that I am.
And it leaves out of apossibility of I could be, I am
(45:22):
angry, right, but I could beless angry, or I could be, not
be angry, or I could.
There's an opportunity thereand a choice and a chance.
But if we, so you knowcompletely are plunged into
realm of existence, we are soentirely engulfed that we, you
know, hook, line and sinker.
It's like you go to anothercountry and there's a different
(45:44):
set of laws that you abide byand different currency and
different language, and you'resold completely.
You know it's very, you'reengulfed entirely by it and so,
understanding that I am in thisrealm not that I am it?
Speaker 2 (46:03):
I think maybe they should look at it as like a
traveler.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
You're a visitor.
This is traveling.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
You're a visitor, you're a guest.
Because this concept of OmaniPadme Humen, the fact that you
can change and transform throughthe different states of being,
or realms as you call it, thatwhen I hear that, that gives me
a sense of hope and a sense offreedom.
Because, like you said, if I amangry and that's all that I am,
(46:30):
then you've collapsed yourwhole nature and your whole
being into that thing.
Then you can be no, nothingelse it's a poverty.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
It's a poverty of no option and no possibility and
nothing else exists.
It is that is real poverty.
Yes, it is, that's a, that's atopic sometimes people don't
like.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
If sometimes this idea of taking ownership and try
to understand the causes thatled a person to this state can
get a person down and depressed,because it's like people then
wrestle with this idea of like,oh then it's my fault.
And I just want you to pausefor a moment and pause that
(47:09):
judgment for a moment and see itin this manner that if a person
had control over the situationwhere it led to this negative
consequence, you can add faultto it or not, but if that is the
if your actions, if you hadcontrol over your actions that
have consequences or outcomes,that same thing that let that
(47:31):
same power that led you to thisnegative situation, you can use
that same power to get you outof that.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Because then you can dig yourself, if you dug
yourself into a hole, then youcan climb, because then you can
dig yourself.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
If you dug yourself into a hole then you can climb
out of that hole and then usethat same principle that I can
apply good seeds right now, Ican enact good causes and then I
can transform into the heavenlyrealm.
That, to me, is liberating.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
And then what we get is, when you begin to practice
like this within yourself, whenyou begin to suheng like this,
you begin to recognize what arethe rules and regulations, what
are the laws governing eachrealm of existence, and here's
why that's important If you'regoing to have a conversation
with your spouse or spousebecause close, that when we say
(48:21):
spouse simply means someoneclose to you and when we can
understand which realm the otherperson is in and which realm I
am in, because this is, this isthe.
There's the saying.
Why do people that are angryyell at one another?
(48:41):
Oh, yes, Right, you could betwo inches from one another.
Why do they yell at?
Why do they yell and scream atone another?
It's because, even thoughphysically they're so close,
there's this great crevasse.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Parts of some fun.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Yeah, they're so far apart.
Actually, that's why they'reyelling across this great divide
, you know, because they'reyelling across this, across this
great divide.
You know because they're notbeing heard.
And and if we can understandwhere the other person is, what
realm they are currently in andwhat realm I am currently in,
right, then we can have aconversation, that of the same
(49:19):
language.
I mean, you know it's, it's.
If I know you are speakingSpanish, I'm not going to speak
to you in French because youdon't understand French, so then
I adjust accordingly to speakto where that person is, what
realm of existence they'recurrently in.
You know, if someone is sad,there is a proper way to help
(49:46):
them, kind of come out of that.
If that's the goal, yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
There's a common ground, a common language, a
body language, yes, a facialexpression, a tone, word choice.
If it's in such contradiction,you have to take that into
account, right?
Speaker 1 (49:59):
If it's in such contradiction to their state,
their current state.
They won't accept it, theywon't hear it.
They won't hear it.
It's like a different language.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
This is why Falls on deaf ears, as they say.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Right.
This is why Falls on deaf earsis absolutely true.
If the two people are in suchdifferent realms of existence,
the conversation cannot be had.
And this is again yet anotherlayer of it.
Because, well, you're a person,I'm a person, you're human
beings.
So we ought to be able to cometo some consensus, come to
(50:32):
something.
But no, the physical me is inthe realm of a human being.
The psychological me is inrealm, still hasn't checked out
of the realm of being humanbeing.
The psychological me is inrealm, still hasn't checked out
of the realm of being betrayedby my best friend, something or
other, and there's a kind ofdisjointedness about oneself and
(50:56):
there isn't an alignment andthese various selves are not
superimposed onto one another tomake one coherent self.
It's a fragmented andsplintered and confused state of
being, internally, externallywhatever.
And so, if we have no ideawhere we are, an attempt to have
(51:17):
a conversation is going to bean attempt at me speaking from
my realm, in the language inwhich I am speaking, dealing
with the currency that I amdealing with, and and suggesting
that you drive on the left sideof the street while you're
speaking a different languageand different currency, and and
by currency again, right, whatis what you consider worth?
(51:40):
Right?
You have a one person who canhave a conversation with another
person and say, you know, Ihave this great idea X, y and Z
and I would help people dosomething.
And the other person says, well, how much money is that going
to make?
Well, that's it.
Now you're talking about whatcurrencies?
So what realm of existence youare in is going to deal with the
(52:04):
different currency, right?
So the materialistic setting isgoing to belong to one kind of
a realm and the humanisticsetting is going to belong in
another kind of realm.
And unless you understand that,the conversation is going to be
bizarre.
It's going to be comicalbecause it seems like we're
(52:24):
talking about the same thing,but we're not, because we're
dealing with differentcurrencies.
And so this idea ofreincarnation is just when we
kaput out of this life, where dowe ha-ha into another, isn't
the only way to think about it.
Not only is it not the only wayto think about it, not only is
it not the only way to thinkabout it, it's so far away,
(52:49):
right?
So far away.
And yet here I am, in this verymoment, in this thing.
What's going on here now is thequestion.
I ought to be awake enough.
As a last point I know we'rekind of past the beep, but as a
last point, when we take up onlythe idea of reincarnation as
(53:17):
the great cyclical thing, whenwe get there as the great
cyclical thing, we, when we getthere to the doors of death or
to the doors of leaving thislife and moving on, and we have
never practiced any state ofwakefulness, we're going to just
(53:39):
be as shocked and inept andunequipped.
What if language of heaven?
We get there and we realize, oh, this is a very different
language.
I've never experienced thisdifferent language.
(54:05):
I've never experienced thisbecause here right now, I've
never dealt, I've never and I'venever been conscious enough
when I have entered the language, when I have entered the realm
of heaven, here, I've made nonotes, I've made no conscious
effort to learn what that feelslike.
So I'm going to arrive inheaven.
Wouldn't that then make heavenhell?
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Right.
Not only that If at that momentyou never practiced heavenly
thoughts or heavenly ways ofbeing, how can you expect to
enter through that door?
It's like no different than ifyou didn't study for a test or
if you never practiced a skill,and then now you're live on
(54:41):
stage to do gymnastics,backflips and so forth and so on
, and you never practiced thatwithin your lifetime.
So if you're looking for heaven, like you said, don't look too
far away.
Practice heavenly thoughts,heavenly feelings and heavenly
ways of being in the here andnow.
You know a good way to expressheaven's language.
(55:02):
How much of this do you do,right?
So practice smiling.
Also, practice being aware, andbecause the things in your life
that you really, really hate,if you never train your mind to
detach yourself from them or forthose things not to have power
over your being, you can't dothat at the end of your life
(55:29):
when your mental states and yourphysical states are weak.
So in the day-to-day life, youhave to implement these things
and put them into practice.
A very simple thing that wetypically experience is, at the
end of the workday, we're tired,we're fatigued and many of us,
we carry with us home all thebaggage from work.
It's almost like our hair is onfire.
I don't have hair, but you needto carry with you a little
(55:51):
water bucket.
So on your way home, you haveto unwind and put the fire out,
Because when you walk into yourhome, practice that being your
heaven.
So when you put the key in thedoor, as you turn that key, let
that become an automatic switchin your mind where you're going
to whatever's behind you thatyou can't see any longer.
Hit that alternate controldelete button and let go and
(56:12):
release whatever it is.
That's been a burden and whatyou've been carrying, so that
you can enter into a differentrealm and you can speak heaven's
language Because you, whenyou're angry, like you said,
when you're angry, even heavenlythings.
If your spouse is in a happystate and you're angry and they
(56:35):
say something kind to you, thatfeels like knives cutting you
Right Because your heart andmind is not open to the heavenly
.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
You're in different realms.
You're in a different realm.
You're in different realms.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
If you want to be happy, you have to make yourself
ready to receive that happinessby you embodying that.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
So, to summarize, if one will, we have the realms of
reincarnation, we have therealms of knowing where you are,
knowing where the other personis in this very moment, and
adjust, right, enter into therealm.
That is a communal realm inwhich we can deal with also
(57:16):
knowing one's own state of being, what emotional state, how do I
feel, etc.
Etc.
Knowing that makes thempossible because one becomes
more familiar with what thoserealms feel like firsthand.
And so then we have someunderstanding.
Ah, that person is in realm of,you know, insatiable hunger.
(57:39):
They are currently a hungryghost, and so you then deal with
it on the level and, and andwhatever necessitates or
whatever the language is tocommunicate a concept, et cetera
, et cetera.
And then we have the larger ones.
Like we said, if you're goinghome, if you're at home, you're
in a home realm.
(57:59):
If you go to work, if youhaven't realized, and if you've
gone to work and you make anattempt to run your business as
you sort of as a family, and.
I know this is said so manytimes, but it's, forgive me, all
(58:23):
of you, managerial positions,people, but this, we are one big
happy family here, step up andwhatever.
But this, you know, we are onebig happy family here.
You know, step up and whatever.
It's a language of family realmthat is used in the kind of
corporate realm and even thoughthe language uses the, even
though the corporate world thenuses then the language of the
(58:44):
home realm, it doesn't providewhat a home realm would provide,
right?
So it's a kind of amanipulative thing, right, it's.
Oh, you know, we're one familyand you know that kind of thing.
So making, being aware andmaking switches from you know
where, if you're in amarketplace or if you're in a
(59:07):
supermarket, if you're, you knowif you're driving, you're in a
realm of that you were kind ofanother species on together.
You know you're sitting in ametal box and it's.
You know how many people curseout the other drivers.
Oh yeah, because you're lockedin it's.
It's also akin to like the, thewarriors.
(59:28):
Right, you could make a commentin somebody's blog post.
You know, just blatant, youknow just destruction of
character, and you know namecalling and whatever Chances are
that very same person.
If they were standing shoulderto shoulder with that other
person, they would never say thethings that they say.
(59:49):
Then that other person thatwould never say the things that
they say, then you would nevertell the other driver to do x, y
and z and to do this and thatto their wives and whatever.
If you were, you know, in thesame lane a line at the
supermarket, right, you know inout of your metal container
thing.
So understanding what realms weare and how we operate in those
(01:00:12):
realms, and then, lastly, thebig one, that the next life I
want to be whatever.
Whatever, I want to be Satriam.
But this is the trick it's thesmall wakefulness and the small
cyclical reincarnation, thechala, the moments to moment
(01:00:33):
reincarnation.
Then maybe you could say theday to day and the week to week
and the month to month, and itsort of spirals out like that.
If you are completely unawareon the small scale, scalability
of this is out out of question.
So you will never reallysuccessfully enter into a realm
(01:00:54):
of reincarnation on the greatscale in your next life.
You will not enter the realm ofyour choosing if you haven't
done the work on the small,micro scale.
That's why you need SoshimSoshimsa.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
It's no different than, let's say, if you're in
school and you have adissertation, or if you work for
a design firm and you're goingto do a big project.
You don't just come up with abig project right, it's in the
day-to-day grind, whether you'reworking by yourself or with
teammates, where you're puttingtogether.
You know how do you write adissertation.
You know word by word, sentence, sentence, paragraph by
(01:01:30):
paragraph.
You don't just churn out 100pages.
It doesn't work that way.
So it's the same thing thesmall creates the larger.
Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Keep that in mind Before we end up reincarnating
right into the next week'sepisode.
Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
One of the things that we promote that really
helps us to become moreself-aware and really helps us,
like you're referring to earlier, to line up your psyche with
your physical realm and youremotional realm is meditation
and keto or prayer.
So at socialorg, you can findout more about that.
Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
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Yes, Until next time, take careof yourselves and each other.
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Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Anselm.
I'm Dr Ruben Lambert, from myheart to yours, and if you want
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Thank you.
Welcome back to yet another episode of the World
Through Zen Eyes podcast.
I'm Jan Gansinian here with….
I'm Dr Ruben Lambert.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Pleasure seeing you, sir.
Sir, good to see you one weekolder than the last episode yeah
, that's, that doesn't take anyeffort.
The older bit we want to be oneweek wiser, maybe yeah the
older bit is just it all dependswhat you did in that time span,
right, right, well, I've donesome meditation, some chanting,
(00:49):
some reflecting, and I've comeup with some new and improved
ideas that we're going to sharewith the audience today about
reincarnation.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Some of the ideas from last week have been
recycled and repolished.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Very good they're becoming Fantastic from last
week have been recycled andrepolished and very good,
they'll be coming fantastic.
Yes, so this is a first for us,a two-part episode.
Mm-hmm, this is reincarnationpart two.
No, this is reincarnation,reincarnated.
(01:24):
Yes, again, here we are.
We spoke last time about thereincarnation and the six realms
and the most commoninterpretation of what
reincarnation means, what it is.
And to just kind, of circleback you mean to reincarnate
(01:54):
back into the reincarnationepisode about reincarnation?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
that we were in the last backwards reincarnation.
Well, at the end of the episodewe all said I'll be back.
And here we are again.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Right.
But you know there's aninteresting thing, because I'll
tell you why.
This will hopefully make senseto others, as it's just now made
some sense to my own brain,which is a dangerous place to
invite people into.
Hope you are all sitting orbuckled in or you have helmets,
because down into the Myung-un'smind we go Not really so much.
(02:30):
I am talking about the two fanmail requests and they both have
to do with karma.
So let's see One said Lovelypodcast.
Today I have a suggestion.
(02:51):
You mentioned karma.
I am interested in finding outif we repeat our past karma for
a reason.
Are we aware that we are doingit?
Also, is there any way that wecan pay our karmic debt to
become free of it?
This is a question from Jane.
We also have a question fromLouise.
(03:15):
Can we ever know our karma?
How can we work it out withoutknowing?
Can we ever know if we paid ourkarmic debt?
Thank you, louise.
And so interesting on theaccount that the….
And we'll certainly be doing anepisode on, because these
(03:41):
questions betray a certain,albeit very common,
misunderstanding of the karma ina sense.
So we have to absolutely do anepisode or a few on that.
But I bring it up because thisidea of repeating karma and so
(04:06):
now we're talking aboutreincarnation and repeating
karma is an interesting thing.
When we consider repeat, weconsider this kind of going back
right, that we are going backas if we were on a Ferris wheel,
(04:26):
backwards moving right, and sowe started at the bottom and
then went around full circle andthen we're back at the bottom
again.
I'd like an imagery of usstanding, not being in the cart
of the Ferris wheel, butstanding outside and the cart is
in front of us, in our field ofthe Ferris wheel, but standing
outside and the cart is in frontof us in our field of vision,
(04:49):
and off it goes, sort ofdisappears, and in that cart,
let's say, you have your phantomof trauma or we focus so much
on trauma, but it could be anyjoyous thing, whatever it is,
let's call it a thing and soyou're standing there and that
thing begins to move and shortlyit disappears right before us,
(05:17):
this kind of field of vision,and it disappears.
But if you wait long enough, itcomes back from the other side,
in a sense disappears, but ifyou wait long enough, it comes
back from the other side, in asense.
So this image of this kind ofcyclical thing as not us being
in it but us being an observerof it, right?
So this imagery of the mereincarnating sort of being in
(05:43):
that cart and coming around orme standing outside of the cart
and something kind ofreincarnating, so we could say
reincarnation is the first andkind of repetition of karma
being the second.
And this image that you know,let's say that this wheel is
turning clockwise so it goes offyour field of vision, off the
(06:06):
left, but when it re-enters itre-enters from the right, and so
we have this idea of maybe thislinear thing.
So I've never seen this thing.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Oh wow, you think it's new.
You think it's new, yes.
It's not, but so if I Peoplethink about that oftentimes too,
like the idea of coincidencesand deja vu and things like that
, right, like people who I'veencountered in my life.
Sometimes people encountersomebody and it's a new
encounter which then, from theperspective of it being linear,
(06:40):
right, it came out of thedarkness in your periphery.
Now you encountered it and soyour perception, based on where
you stand, with limited insight,limited wisdom, you reflect on
it and you say this is new,right.
But from the greaterperspective, when you look at it
with the eyes of wisdom, withZen eyes, and you look at this
circularity and reincarnationprinciple, there's a common
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thing out there in the New Age,I think, movement, and of course
we understand this from theBuddhist perspective is that
we've encountered many peoplebefore, and when we talk about
Buddhism, we have the concept ofdoban, and you've spoken in
your pomons about the how manykop, which is eons, right, that
(07:28):
if you've eaten in the same, ifyou've eaten food with somebody,
that means you've lived severaleons in the same household
versus same village, right, andthen things like that.
So you have encountered certainindividuals before.
We're all traveling on thisrock, and this is what I mean
when I say that there are thesecommon.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I'm gonna call them misunderstandings rock, and this
is what I mean when I say thatthere is a, that there are these
common.
you know, I'm going to call themmisunderstandings and and um,
this is not to scold anyone yetha no but the idea is that
they're misunderstanding,because we have to understand a
little bit of a nuance to getreally the the main gist of it,
(08:08):
because they appear right.
Like I said, there's a cyclicalthing, right.
So in the card, cyclical, outof the card, cyclical, ferris
wheel, round and round we go andso it's very easy to either
draw conclusions or kind of jumpto a conclusion and so.
But back to the topic at hand.
Even though they areintertwined, we meander as we do
(08:31):
Reincarnation, rebirth Forthose of you who are having
heart palpitations as I say thewords reincarnation, because I
have devoured too manyintellectuals.
Okay no scolding, I promise.
No, I don't do such things aspromises.
(08:52):
We have introduced, if you will, the concept of reincarnation
as this usually thought of thing, that is to say, I live alive
and I live to the end of itwhenever that comes, and I live
(09:15):
out of it and whoop, I go tosomething and I have now
reincarnated, perhaps in anotherrealm, in another realm of
existence.
We've talked about those, omMANI, padme HUM, the six realms
of reincarnation, thedestinations, if you will, and I
don't recall, because a weekago was so long ago for me.
(09:40):
But we have to also understand,even in that major kind of
reincarnation idea of whatreincarnation is a person,
namely someone reincarnated intohuman form, because they're not
as clearly defined as we alsoimagine them to be, to be, and
(10:17):
there is a.
There's going to be overlapbetween these principles,
because to really grasp it wewould have to very clearly
define the terms, namely what isthe physical existence, what is
our psychological existence,what is our spiritual existence,
what is our emotional existence?
You name it right.
So there's going to be a littlebit of room for overlap and
things of that nature, butperhaps in other episodes we
(10:39):
could do more nuance.
The reason why I say that isbecause someone could be a human
being, reincarnated as a humanbeing.
I think I know where you'regoing.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I've encountered many people of the kind that you're
about to describe.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yes, and so you have a human being and one could say
I have reincarnated as a humanbeing, and again, without
defining terms.
But let's just move on.
There are people who are humanbeings and yet have the
proclivity or at times itdoesn't have to be that they're
(11:20):
24 hours a day doing the thing,and we'll get into that also but
they can act.
A person could be a human beingand act frankly like an animal,
governed and driven by the samemotivation and the same, you
know, impetus that an animalwould.
I think I went a little bit ona tangent of the agui, the
(11:51):
hungry ghosts and the likes, anda person of insatiable
appetites for love and foradmiration, and sometimes for
acceptance, and sometimes forthe appetite and the hunger for
(12:12):
being understood and being knownor being unknown.
It goes in every whichdirection you can imagine.
If the appetite for the thingis insatiable, it is imprisoning
.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
It's almost like a Guns N' Roses album.
It's an appetite fordestruction.
It's an appetite fordestruction's an appetite for
it's a bottomless hole.
I think the if you highlight aperson who is under the grips of
addiction, it's a good exampleof this insatiable appetite,
because there's a, there's asaying when it comes to
substances, if you're addictedto them, one is too much and one
(12:45):
million, whatever number onegoogleplex, you can add the
biggest number you know to thatis never enough oh so the zen
thing, and there's this hunger,this hunger, insatiable hunger
and a driving force where aperson at the point of addiction
, whatever their values are.
At that very moment, when theperson's brain uh gets into this
(13:08):
state of insatiable hunger, itwill dismiss even the basic core
necessities of life.
It will override even your needfor food your need for love,
whatever relationships you valueAt the moment, when your brain
is emotionally hijacked by thisinsatiable driving force to get
(13:31):
the fix of the drug, it willdismiss the value, destroy all
those things that you, at onepoint, when you're sober, value
and admire and need for yourbeing.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
It will override your morals.
All of that gets pushed to thewayside.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
So this is a.
I think this is a good exampleof a hungry ghost.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
It's a big mouth.
Yeah, it's a big mouth thateats and devours, and I know of
people who they would devour thelife-saving of their mother.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I had a friend who I went with.
I went to high school, I think.
Yes, I went to high school withhim and he had a friend in turn
who was, you know, addicted todrugs.
And this fella tells me thisstory.
(14:30):
He says we were in my mother'shouse or wherever they were, so
they're in a house.
No, he was in that guy's house.
And so this guy, they're in thehouse and they're whirling and
devouring monsters rearing itshead.
(14:52):
And this kid has this brilliantidea because they have no money
, you know.
And he goes all right, I gotanother idea, wait.
And I mean there's.
It's comical, grotesque, it'shorrible, it's all things
simultaneously.
(15:12):
This guy walks into a closet inhis house and his friend, who's
sitting at the table, hearsnoises punching and things
breaking.
And what's going on?
A few minutes later, the guycomes out of the closet covered
(15:34):
in sheetrock dust.
He went into his closet,punched through the sheetrock
walls, my goodness Went into theadjacent apartment and robbed
and stole their money, whateverit is, and came out you know,
sheetrock chips and dust.
I got money, let's go.
So you know the one thing andthis is certainly not anything
(16:04):
to joke about, but there is aperseverance like any other.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
There, if you channel that mentality.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
If you channel that mentality of you know to other
lives, endeavors, nothing isunaccomplishable.
I mean, you know partiallygenius of an idea, right, it's
just right.
There, it's just's just.
You know you walk into a door.
You may no door, you make adoor, you know.
So it's partially an idea.
(16:35):
You know a genius idea in asense, but obviously at the same
time it's it's, it's.
The devouring monster hasdevoured any ethics, any morals,
any, any concept of futureconsequence and repercussions.
None of it comes into the mindwhen that monster rears its head
(16:59):
.
And so we could say that oneperson can be a human being, but
then also kind of a Venndiagram thing right that they
could overlap, and some peoplehave it for you know, we could
say, for more time in theirlives and some have it for a
(17:19):
shorter period of their lives.
So there is that, on the otherhand, if we really kind of
filter out this idea what it isto be a human being and what it
is to be a person, because onecould draw that distinction we
(17:43):
are human beings, beings, right,a dog is a being, an animal
being, and we, you know, becausewe have certain capacities, etc
.
But we are an animal, obviouslyand clearly an animal, right.
So that's the thing, right, weare, which one then is like okay
(18:06):
, are we in the animal realm?
We, we are, which one.
Then then it's like okay, whatare we?
Are we in the animal realm orare we in a human realm?
Right, and so these, thesedistinctions aren't as clear as
we would like them, and they'renot as neat as we would like
them to be, and and, and we mustbe very cautious in terms of,
(18:27):
uh, subscribing to these kind ofclearly defined boundaries,
because things aren't, and sowhat we get?
then, is this Venn diagram thing, when we can overlap and, like
I said, for the entirety of ourlives we are sort of one foot in
the human realm, one foot in ananimal realm.
But if we have the, this is ona physical level.
(18:52):
We cannot escape being ananimal.
We are, but we're also human,sure.
So, and then we have, you know,the body of research when it
comes to that large incarnationand reincarnation.
I mean, you have what's hisname?
Yeah, there's a book by uh drian stevenson and dr ian
(19:16):
stevenson.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
He is a trained medical physician and he
dedicated his life to researchof cases that involved
reincarnation.
Thousands yeah thousands andit's not anecdotal because he
actually he worked out of theUniversity of Virginia and he
used a rigorous scientificmethod to justify the points and
(19:40):
corroborate the points thatwere being made by the cases
that he was studying.
So it says here, just to give alittle brief summary of the book
there's a book that he wrotewhere reincarnation and biology
intersect and it says childrenwho claim to remember a previous
life have been found in manyparts of the world, particularly
in the Buddhist and Hinducountries of South Asia, among
(20:01):
the Shiite peoples of Lebanonand Turkey, the tribes of West
Africa and the AmericanNorthwest.
Stevenson has collected over2,600 reported cases of past
life memories, of which 65detailed reports have been
published.
Specific information from thechildren's memories have been
collected and matched with thedata of their former identity,
family, residence and manner ofdeath.
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Birthmarks or otherphysiological manifestations
have been found to relate toexperiences of the remembered
past life, particularly violentdeath.
Writing as a specialist inpsychiatry and as a
world-renowned scientificinvestigator of reported
paranormal events, stevensonasked us to suspend our Western
tendencies to disbelieve inreincarnation and consider the
(20:45):
reality of the burgeoning recordof cases now available and
consider the reality of theburgeoning record of cases now
available.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah, it's interesting.
There are interesting pointsthere because for one, children
and I've mentioned we've had amember of the Sangha whose child
was sort of that typicalsituation in which Dr Stevenson
(21:12):
talks about.
From what I recall, I think itwasn't very well known and very
broadly circulated.
Because he did write and hewrote largely, I think, for the
scientific community and verykind of technical in that, and
that wasn't a as interestingmaybe to the general public.
(21:33):
So he published a lot of his,his findings, in the scientific
journals and, and the otherinteresting part is, you know,
the children in the countries inwhich, and and he, he, he
realizes that right, heacknowledges the danger of a
child brought up in a culture,brought up in a religion,
brought up in a belief systemwhere reincarnation is the thing
(21:56):
, and so he understands that youknow, children are
impressionable.
So if they hear, if they know ofreincarnationation and a kid
wants to feel special, says I amreincarnation of you know.
And the joke then is because wehave these, what is it?
The past life regression?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
There is a form of hypnosis that is called past
life regression.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
And the joke is that everybody in those stories,
everybody is a Napoleon, andeverybody in those stories,
everybody is a Napoleon andeverybody is a famous nobody is
a farmer.
You know in the south, you know, but it's so.
He in his Stevenson, that is,in his research.
I think he sifts andunderstands that and has ways to
(22:48):
make sure that that is not thecase so there are a few
anecdotal stories that I thinkare interested in.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Maybe I'll highlight just a few here for our audience
.
One that is making its roundsthrough social media is about a
uh someone, a child, who I thinkaround the age of seven or
started to tell his parents thathe was murdered.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
That's late too, and then he.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You know parents kept hearing this time and time
again and so it did pique theircuriosity.
So they actually investigatedit and the child was able to,
with great detail, identify theplace of his burial.
And it just so happened that hewas murdered by his neighbor
and the parents went there withthe police.
They dug the exact spot wherethe child delineated where he
was buried and they did find hisbones and they did find
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evidence of the neighbor havingto do with the murder and the
person was arrested.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
There's a movie.
Now, as you're saying this,there's a movie with, with an
actor.
There's a movie.
I think it's like it's someyoung kid.
It is is, be friends, a grownwoman and claims to be her
husband or something.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I think it was called made in heaven, made in heaven.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I don't know it's a there's, it's that stuff is out
there.
So there's this overlap, that.
And this is where we kind ofwanted to do the second part,
because we have the physical andthat great cycle of
reincarnation you're a human,you're an animal, realm, etc.
Etc.
The physicality of it.
But then we have what isfrequently dismissed or not
(24:34):
understood as reincarnation isthe repetitive kind of karmic
circle, no-transcript, and thisisn't to say it's like look at
(25:23):
you acting like an animal, lookat you, you know no-transcript,
(25:55):
such terrible powers,shintongnyok superpowers, not
superpowers we have, but youknow, ability to know the minds
of others, ability to blah, blah, blah.
You know that we have five mainthings, but this is a pursuit.
Why?
So that we can better serve theother person, so that we can
(26:17):
better serve people in general,to know where the person is and
which realm they are in thismoment.
We can then match appropriatelythe antidote to their suffering
, the medicine to their achesand pains and ills.
(26:37):
And that is to say that itwould appear that, well, if a
person is suffering from, youknow, from emotional turmoil, if
they're anxious, right, and itwould appear that the same well,
it's anxiety.
So give them anxiety medicinein a sense, and not necessarily
chemically, but in this casewe're talking about advice and
(26:58):
whatever.
But that's not the casenecessarily, because an animal
can live in a state of anxiety.
Typically they A human being canlive in a state of anxiety.
An agri can be in a state ofanxiety, right, typically they.
Yeah.
A human being can live in astate of anxiety.
An agi can be in a state ofanxiety.
Hell realm could be the stateof anxiety non-stop.
(27:19):
So so what is the matching thing?
It's it's like a physician whotakes your, your medical history
to say what medicine, I meanyou will penicillin work, and if
you're allergic to it, youcan't be given that.
And so certain states ofreincarnation, certain states,
are more, certain medicines aremore appropriate for certain
(27:43):
states.
You know that being and nowwe're speaking psychologically
and I'm not going into thespiritual element right, but
that being will not be helped,right, by the same advice that a
being of another realm can behelped, you know.
(28:06):
So the medicine must match theone who suffers.
And if they suffer within arealm of existence, okay, let's
say, for example, there areheaven realms which are then
(28:30):
characterized, which are thencharacterized where people are
not likely to follow advice andfollow the teachings of those
heavenly beings.
Why?
Because they have ego, sort,you know, sort of, you know,
(28:51):
arrogance.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Right.
That connects to the story thatI said last week about Joseph
Campbell and Indra, king of thegods.
Right, he built this greatpalace.
He felt high and mighty andthen a monk without clothes came
in and he was just coughing himbecause it's like you're
entering my palace looking likethis, right, yeah, there's this
arrogance there.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
So, yeah, so abundance on one hand right, and
then somebody else could, andanother realm can have an
abundance of something also, andand then the the medicine is
going to be different dependingon those realms of existence,
and so what we call then challato challa reincarnation, that is
(29:31):
to say moment to momentreincarnation.
And if one had seen the tenghua, the painting that usually is
on the Shinjung altar, theDharma Guardian's altars, I mean
, you see the faces and thefacial expressions of those
beings.
And you know, we can say, on onedimension of this thing, those
(29:57):
are the faces, the multi-facetedexpression of who we are as a
human being innocence.
And then so we transmigrate,transmigrate, transmigrate these
various realms.
There's a 11-phase bodhisattva.
Anyway, the point being is thatevery moment is subject to
(30:26):
change.
I mean, that is thecharacteristic mode of operation
.
All is in constant flux,everything is in a state of
change and impermanence.
To imagine ourselves to belocked in such a plastic kind of
format you know, we're notBarbie doll, we're not a canned
(30:50):
kind of plastic.
And you know, you gotsemi-mobility in your shoulder
joint and that's all you getright, the pliability and and
the and this is, you know, onone hand, such a fascinating
thing as a human being that wecan, we are boundless, in a
sense, and and and it's ablessing and a curse
(31:10):
simultaneously.
Because we are boundless, wecan do anything, but also,
because we are boundless, we arethe miserable in the
boundlessness of it.
Because if no control, if notraining of control, if no state
of wakefulness is available tothe person, one will never, ever
(31:35):
know If you're not conscious,if you're not awake within
yourself as you go through yourday to day.
It's a big thing, but in theleast one needs to start
training somewhere, to sort ofput this thing because it could
be an academic exercise.
Well, you know, these are therealms of existence and this is
(31:56):
how they are characterized, andyou could spend years studying
this thing, receiving anythingmeaningful out of your study,
then this is where Zen frowningupon academic pursuit of
enlightenment sits.
So if you work.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I think you're referring to people that
regurgitate words.
Well, versus suheng, that wealways go back to actually
delving into the words and doingthe work.
You know, if you talk aboutOmani Padme Hum in the charlatan
, charlatan, moment to moment,reincarnation, can you catch it?
Did you catch it?
(32:41):
If you're not paying attention,it's a lightning flash.
Most people wake up mid-moviewithout any awareness.
It's almost like people thatbecome blackout drunks and they
engage in reckless behavior.
You know, I was drunk, throwingup and then cleaning the floor,
and with the same rag that Icleaned the floor I was cleaning
(33:03):
my face of the throw up.
And then you just wake up in apool of vomit and someone then
the next day shows you a videoand you're like look what you
did.
And you're like I have no idea,right, you're just blackout
drunk.
Right, you, you were physicallythere, but you didn't catch it
right, it's too late.
Or you punched a hole in thewall because you were angry, and
what did you just go through?
(33:24):
Things don't happen without aprocess.
So yeah, like you're referring,the Suheng piece is to be
wakeful in the moment-to-momentchanges of your mood, your
thoughts.
What state have you been in?
And this isn't that complicated.
Again, you can go spiritual andzen gives you access to a lot
of depth but just reflect on howyou feel moment to moment and
(33:48):
you'll see moods change, justlike the weather I would say
you're happy maybe that's yourheaven, but you're not
constantly in a state ofhappiness, because day-to-day
life isn't the same.
That changes too right.
So you will encounter somethingthat will challenge you, you
will encounter something that'sa stressor, and then how do you
(34:09):
react to that?
Then, if you're complainingbecause someone took your
parking spot or someone took thelast cookie box and they beat
you to it, and now you're mothereffing them and cursing them
out, well then stop at thatmoment and think well, if I was
in a state of happiness, thatwas my heaven.
(34:30):
Well, where did I reincarnateto?
At that very instant, you werein heaven.
You were in heaven.
And now what?
You were plunged into a mawan.
You're angry and you're upsetand you wanna tackle a poor old
lady cause she beat you to thecookies, right?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
You know, as you said , as you spoke of the cookie, I
had a flash of this meme that Isaw of the office pizza party.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
And I wanna say it was COVID time.
It must have been Well, but itwas this idea.
And it said you know, there wasan office party and one person
took the last slice, I think itwas, or two.
How did it go?
(35:20):
Something to the effect ofthere were two people and each
one of them took the last slice.
One did it.
See, the idea was one did itbecause there wasn't enough for
everybody and the other oneBecause there wasn't enough.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
And the other one what?
Because it wasn't enough, andthe other one what?
Because they wanted too much.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
That's the thing.
No, because the idea was likeshortage, right, like when we
had shortage and that DuringCOVID yes, that magical.
I still don't understand thetoilet paper thing oh God, I
have a story for that, but sothat's the thing, right.
So the idea was that somepeople, because there was a
(36:09):
shortage, took less.
That's the point.
And some people because therewas a shortage.
They took more.
Right, you know what I mean.
So like yeah, one is thinkingthere's not enough, there's a
shortage.
Let me leave some for others.
And the other person there's ashortage, me, me me.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I want it all for me.
Yes, there's a shortage.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Because there's a shortage.
What am I gonna do?
What are you gonna do?
Right, there are other, moreimportant things than voiding
bowels is what you could do,yeah really really fast, yeah,
really fast.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
My so my mother-in-law, in the time of
the pandemic, came from cuba,and cuba is very famous, for
there's a joke they say wherethe smartest butts in the world
lie, and that's in cuba, becausethey wipe their behinds with
newspapers.
And so, you know, due to the,for economic reasons, there's
that shortage, and then they alllook to the united states, the
first world, as being the placeof abundance, and and so she
(37:01):
comes in a pandemic andeveryone's mocking Cuba for
their shortage.
And here she is thinking she'sin the land where the streets
are paved with gold and Iremember going to Costco and
we're there, we're getting thereand we're like we're gonna just
grab a few, and then, sorry sir, we ran out.
I was like, oh, so embarrassed,when can I hide right now?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Talk about reincarnation.
So she went from a place whereyou wipe and then back to
another place where wipingapparently is the preoccupation
of your general mindset.
So this idea of moment-to-momentreincarnation, right
Moment-to-moment, is a hardplace to start.
We have to acknowledge that.
(37:44):
So I propose, or I wouldsuggest, if you go to work, for
one understanding I am at home,this is one realm of existence.
I go to work, it is anotherrealm of existence.
And we automatically do so,right?
(38:04):
You, I mean you, behavedifferently at work than you do
at home.
You behave differently withyour spouse.
Then you behave different.
You love your childrendifferently than a lot of your
wife or your husband.
You love your husband andchildren are different than you
love you, your parents, etc.
Etc.
So love across the board, butwhat kind and for whom?
And in that same way,considering these various
(38:40):
aspects of our day-to-day livingas different realms of
existence, then requiring of usdifferent realms of different
ways of behavior that areappropriate for said realm in
which one exists.
And so one mustn't come fromwork working as a CEO of a
Fortune 500 company, set foot intheir house and forget that
they now have reincarnated intothe different realm of existence
Because your spouse and yourchildren aren't your employees.
(39:01):
But if you've, if you're, ifyou've been working and dealing
with employees and subordinates,you know your whole entire day
and you come home and youhaven't realized you've
reincarnated into differentstate, different realm of
existence.
You're then likely and subjectto treat your spouse and your
(39:23):
children and your family membersas your workers and
subordinates and whatever, andyou will then magically turn
that realm into yet anotherrealm, because you will turn it
into a war zone or hell realm.
And so the easy and we startwith the easy and big ones,
(39:44):
right, you go into a supermarket, my, the comfort that you have
at home, the uh, um, what's theword?
(40:10):
I don't have a word.
Make a genome.
Yeah, accommodations, let'scall it that.
Sure you, you go into theaccommodations that are made by
your family members in your home.
You cannot expect, you cannottake that.
Go to the supermarket andexpect the supermarket to
provide you with the sameaccommodations that are provided
(40:33):
by your family members.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
They can't roll out the red carpet for you.
Well, they're not going toserve at the feet of the guru,
and that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
That's the thing.
That's yet another realm.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
That expectation will create a major clash if you go
out there with that kind ofexpectation.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
And that word is appropriate, but it escapes me
Ka, you know, when somebodybends and adjusts to your needs
and makes con Concedesconcessions, concessions, that's
it, concessions the concessionsthat you're, you're that are
(41:09):
made for you by people closerinto your lives.
You cannot now go into a largerworld and say, make concessions
for me because, just because,why you're in a different realm
of existence, you have tounderstand where you are.
You know and and that's kind ofthat idea of of where, which
realm of existence I am in, andwe this is the craziest thing
(41:34):
because we do it automatically,right?
You?
You speak differently to your,to your parents, than you speak
to your children.
You wouldn't speak to yourchildren the way you speak to
your parents and vice versa,because you are there in a
different realm of existence.
So in the least, one ought tobe awake enough to know if
(41:57):
they've crossed those major andclearly defined borders of the
realms in which one is currentlyexisting.
Then, next level level up levelup, level up or level down.
However you look at it the nextlevel of awareness of one's own
(42:20):
realm of existence.
And this principle ofreincarnation is one's emotional
reincarnation.
And you sort of hinted at that,right, you, you can be elated
and you could be joyous, andsomething happens and all of a
sudden, your, your, your joy hasdissipated completely and been
replaced by fury.
(42:41):
Let's say that without knowingthat, without realizing that,
without thinking ah, I have nowjust reincarnated into another
thing.
What we do largely is and thishas been a thing because one
(43:04):
could be then accused ofinvalidating an emotional state,
and this is not what we'resaying.
We're not saying your emotionsare, you know, but we're saying
be awake to it, be awake to it.
And again, if you are thenupset about something, know that
within the realm of angeroperates on a different set of
principles than the realm of,because then what we get is this
(43:27):
strange overlap of abusiverelationships, right when these
lines of cajoling and thenmanipulation are blurred, you
know, manipulated by harshnessor manipulated by love.
You know, love bombing tosoften you up, just to then
(43:49):
bruise you up, right when we areunaware of these realms, then
these spillovers happen and whatwe are then subject and in
danger of is psychological.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Yeah, for one manipulation also, and
everyone's, I think everyrelationship influencers.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Favorite word gaslighting, gaslighting right,
all those things, and so that'sthat's the one thing, right it's
.
It's then the realm of whatemotional realm am I in?
Am I acting?
Am I in a heavenly mode or moodof realm?
Am I in hellish realms ofexistence, plunged into, you
(44:33):
know, torment and suffering, etcetera, et cetera.
And knowing that, it kind ofgives you a kind of a step back,
it creates a little bit ofspace to know I have entered
into a space, into a way ofbeing which is different than to
say I am Right, I am angry,right, if you are angry, that's
(44:58):
it Game over, you cannot beanything else.
Then, right, yeah, because thetruth is I, I am angry now, I am
happy, now I am this, but the Iam is is, you know, it's a
language thing, but what it'salmost suggests is I am and
that's all that I am.
And it leaves out of apossibility of I could be, I am
(45:22):
angry, right, but I could beless angry, or I could be, not
be angry, or I could.
There's an opportunity thereand a choice and a chance.
But if we, so you knowcompletely are plunged into
realm of existence, we are soentirely engulfed that we, you
know, hook, line and sinker.
It's like you go to anothercountry and there's a different
(45:44):
set of laws that you abide byand different currency and
different language, and you'resold completely.
You know it's very, you'reengulfed entirely by it and so,
understanding that I am in thisrealm not that I am it?
Speaker 2 (46:03):
I think maybe they should look at it as like a
traveler.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
You're a visitor.
This is traveling.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
You're a visitor, you're a guest.
Because this concept of OmaniPadme Humen, the fact that you
can change and transform throughthe different states of being,
or realms as you call it, thatwhen I hear that, that gives me
a sense of hope and a sense offreedom.
Because, like you said, if I amangry and that's all that I am,
(46:30):
then you've collapsed yourwhole nature and your whole
being into that thing.
Then you can be no, nothingelse it's a poverty.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
It's a poverty of no option and no possibility and
nothing else exists.
It is that is real poverty.
Yes, it is, that's a, that's atopic sometimes people don't
like.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
If sometimes this idea of taking ownership and try
to understand the causes thatled a person to this state can
get a person down and depressed,because it's like people then
wrestle with this idea of like,oh then it's my fault.
And I just want you to pausefor a moment and pause that
(47:09):
judgment for a moment and see itin this manner that if a person
had control over the situationwhere it led to this negative
consequence, you can add faultto it or not, but if that is the
if your actions, if you hadcontrol over your actions that
have consequences or outcomes,that same thing that let that
(47:31):
same power that led you to thisnegative situation, you can use
that same power to get you outof that.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Because then you can dig yourself, if you dug
yourself into a hole, then youcan climb, because then you can
dig yourself.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
If you dug yourself into a hole then you can climb
out of that hole and then usethat same principle that I can
apply good seeds right now, Ican enact good causes and then I
can transform into the heavenlyrealm.
That, to me, is liberating.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
And then what we get is, when you begin to practice
like this within yourself, whenyou begin to suheng like this,
you begin to recognize what arethe rules and regulations, what
are the laws governing eachrealm of existence, and here's
why that's important If you'regoing to have a conversation
with your spouse or spousebecause close, that when we say
(48:21):
spouse simply means someoneclose to you and when we can
understand which realm the otherperson is in and which realm I
am in, because this is, this isthe.
There's the saying.
Why do people that are angryyell at one another?
(48:41):
Oh, yes, Right, you could betwo inches from one another.
Why do they yell at?
Why do they yell and scream atone another?
It's because, even thoughphysically they're so close,
there's this great crevasse.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Parts of some fun.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Yeah, they're so far apart.
Actually, that's why they'reyelling across this great divide
, you know, because they'reyelling across this, across this
great divide.
You know because they're notbeing heard.
And and if we can understandwhere the other person is, what
realm they are currently in andwhat realm I am currently in,
right, then we can have aconversation, that of the same
(49:19):
language.
I mean, you know it's, it's.
If I know you are speakingSpanish, I'm not going to speak
to you in French because youdon't understand French, so then
I adjust accordingly to speakto where that person is, what
realm of existence they'recurrently in.
You know, if someone is sad,there is a proper way to help
(49:46):
them, kind of come out of that.
If that's the goal, yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
There's a common ground, a common language, a
body language, yes, a facialexpression, a tone, word choice.
If it's in such contradiction,you have to take that into
account, right?
Speaker 1 (49:59):
If it's in such contradiction to their state,
their current state.
They won't accept it, theywon't hear it.
They won't hear it.
It's like a different language.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
This is why Falls on deaf ears, as they say.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Right.
This is why Falls on deaf earsis absolutely true.
If the two people are in suchdifferent realms of existence,
the conversation cannot be had.
And this is again yet anotherlayer of it.
Because, well, you're a person,I'm a person, you're human
beings.
So we ought to be able to cometo some consensus, come to
(50:32):
something.
But no, the physical me is inthe realm of a human being.
The psychological me is inrealm, still hasn't checked out
of the realm of being humanbeing.
The psychological me is inrealm, still hasn't checked out
of the realm of being betrayedby my best friend, something or
other, and there's a kind ofdisjointedness about oneself and
(50:56):
there isn't an alignment andthese various selves are not
superimposed onto one another tomake one coherent self.
It's a fragmented andsplintered and confused state of
being, internally, externallywhatever.
And so, if we have no ideawhere we are, an attempt to have
(51:17):
a conversation is going to bean attempt at me speaking from
my realm, in the language inwhich I am speaking, dealing
with the currency that I amdealing with, and and suggesting
that you drive on the left sideof the street while you're
speaking a different languageand different currency, and and
by currency again, right, whatis what you consider worth?
(51:40):
Right?
You have a one person who canhave a conversation with another
person and say, you know, Ihave this great idea X, y and Z
and I would help people dosomething.
And the other person says, well, how much money is that going
to make?
Well, that's it.
Now you're talking about whatcurrencies?
So what realm of existence youare in is going to deal with the
(52:04):
different currency, right?
So the materialistic setting isgoing to belong to one kind of
a realm and the humanisticsetting is going to belong in
another kind of realm.
And unless you understand that,the conversation is going to be
bizarre.
It's going to be comicalbecause it seems like we're
(52:24):
talking about the same thing,but we're not, because we're
dealing with differentcurrencies.
And so this idea ofreincarnation is just when we
kaput out of this life, where dowe ha-ha into another, isn't
the only way to think about it.
Not only is it not the only wayto think about it, not only is
it not the only way to thinkabout it, it's so far away,
(52:49):
right?
So far away.
And yet here I am, in this verymoment, in this thing.
What's going on here now is thequestion.
I ought to be awake enough.
As a last point I know we'rekind of past the beep, but as a
last point, when we take up onlythe idea of reincarnation as
(53:17):
the great cyclical thing, whenwe get there as the great
cyclical thing, we, when we getthere to the doors of death or
to the doors of leaving thislife and moving on, and we have
never practiced any state ofwakefulness, we're going to just
(53:39):
be as shocked and inept andunequipped.
What if language of heaven?
We get there and we realize, oh, this is a very different
language.
I've never experienced thisdifferent language.
(54:05):
I've never experienced thisbecause here right now, I've
never dealt, I've never and I'venever been conscious enough
when I have entered the language, when I have entered the realm
of heaven, here, I've made nonotes, I've made no conscious
effort to learn what that feelslike.
So I'm going to arrive inheaven.
Wouldn't that then make heavenhell?
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Right.
Not only that If at that momentyou never practiced heavenly
thoughts or heavenly ways ofbeing, how can you expect to
enter through that door?
It's like no different than ifyou didn't study for a test or
if you never practiced a skill,and then now you're live on
(54:41):
stage to do gymnastics,backflips and so forth and so on
, and you never practiced thatwithin your lifetime.
So if you're looking for heaven, like you said, don't look too
far away.
Practice heavenly thoughts,heavenly feelings and heavenly
ways of being in the here andnow.
You know a good way to expressheaven's language.
(55:02):
How much of this do you do,right?
So practice smiling.
Also, practice being aware, andbecause the things in your life
that you really, really hate,if you never train your mind to
detach yourself from them or forthose things not to have power
over your being, you can't dothat at the end of your life
(55:29):
when your mental states and yourphysical states are weak.
So in the day-to-day life, youhave to implement these things
and put them into practice.
A very simple thing that wetypically experience is, at the
end of the workday, we're tired,we're fatigued and many of us,
we carry with us home all thebaggage from work.
It's almost like our hair is onfire.
I don't have hair, but you needto carry with you a little
(55:51):
water bucket.
So on your way home, you haveto unwind and put the fire out,
Because when you walk into yourhome, practice that being your
heaven.
So when you put the key in thedoor, as you turn that key, let
that become an automatic switchin your mind where you're going
to whatever's behind you thatyou can't see any longer.
Hit that alternate controldelete button and let go and
(56:12):
release whatever it is.
That's been a burden and whatyou've been carrying, so that
you can enter into a differentrealm and you can speak heaven's
language Because you, whenyou're angry, like you said,
when you're angry, even heavenlythings.
If your spouse is in a happystate and you're angry and they
(56:35):
say something kind to you, thatfeels like knives cutting you
Right Because your heart andmind is not open to the heavenly
.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
You're in different realms.
You're in a different realm.
You're in different realms.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
If you want to be happy, you have to make yourself
ready to receive that happinessby you embodying that.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
So, to summarize, if one will, we have the realms of
reincarnation, we have therealms of knowing where you are,
knowing where the other personis in this very moment, and
adjust, right, enter into therealm.
That is a communal realm inwhich we can deal with also
(57:16):
knowing one's own state of being, what emotional state, how do I
feel, etc.
Etc.
Knowing that makes thempossible because one becomes
more familiar with what thoserealms feel like firsthand.
And so then we have someunderstanding.
Ah, that person is in realm of,you know, insatiable hunger.
(57:39):
They are currently a hungryghost, and so you then deal with
it on the level and, and andwhatever necessitates or
whatever the language is tocommunicate a concept, et cetera
, et cetera.
And then we have the larger ones.
Like we said, if you're goinghome, if you're at home, you're
in a home realm.
(57:59):
If you go to work, if youhaven't realized, and if you've
gone to work and you make anattempt to run your business as
you sort of as a family, and.
I know this is said so manytimes, but it's, forgive me, all
(58:23):
of you, managerial positions,people, but this, we are one big
happy family here, step up andwhatever.
But this, you know, we are onebig happy family here.
You know, step up and whatever.
It's a language of family realmthat is used in the kind of
corporate realm and even thoughthe language uses the, even
though the corporate world thenuses then the language of the
(58:44):
home realm, it doesn't providewhat a home realm would provide,
right?
So it's a kind of amanipulative thing, right, it's.
Oh, you know, we're one familyand you know that kind of thing.
So making, being aware andmaking switches from you know
where, if you're in amarketplace or if you're in a
(59:07):
supermarket, if you're, you knowif you're driving, you're in a
realm of that you were kind ofanother species on together.
You know you're sitting in ametal box and it's.
You know how many people curseout the other drivers.
Oh yeah, because you're lockedin it's.
It's also akin to like the, thewarriors.
(59:28):
Right, you could make a commentin somebody's blog post.
You know, just blatant, youknow just destruction of
character, and you know namecalling and whatever Chances are
that very same person.
If they were standing shoulderto shoulder with that other
person, they would never say thethings that they say.
(59:49):
Then that other person thatwould never say the things that
they say, then you would nevertell the other driver to do x, y
and z and to do this and thatto their wives and whatever.
If you were, you know, in thesame lane a line at the
supermarket, right, you know inout of your metal container
thing.
So understanding what realms weare and how we operate in those
(01:00:12):
realms, and then, lastly, thebig one, that the next life I
want to be whatever.
Whatever, I want to be Satriam.
But this is the trick it's thesmall wakefulness and the small
cyclical reincarnation, thechala, the moments to moment
(01:00:33):
reincarnation.
Then maybe you could say theday to day and the week to week
and the month to month, and itsort of spirals out like that.
If you are completely unawareon the small scale, scalability
of this is out out of question.
So you will never reallysuccessfully enter into a realm
(01:00:54):
of reincarnation on the greatscale in your next life.
You will not enter the realm ofyour choosing if you haven't
done the work on the small,micro scale.
That's why you need SoshimSoshimsa.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
It's no different than, let's say, if you're in
school and you have adissertation, or if you work for
a design firm and you're goingto do a big project.
You don't just come up with abig project right, it's in the
day-to-day grind, whether you'reworking by yourself or with
teammates, where you're puttingtogether.
You know how do you write adissertation.
You know word by word, sentence, sentence, paragraph by
(01:01:30):
paragraph.
You don't just churn out 100pages.
It doesn't work that way.
So it's the same thing thesmall creates the larger.
Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Keep that in mind Before we end up reincarnating
right into the next week'sepisode.
Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
One of the things that we promote that really
helps us to become moreself-aware and really helps us,
like you're referring to earlier, to line up your psyche with
your physical realm and youremotional realm is meditation
and keto or prayer.
So at socialorg, you can findout more about that.
Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
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We could do that on the podcastpage is the best place it
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production and things of thatnature.
If that's something that thatyou know that you would like to
do have at it.
If you don't know exactly how todo it, let us know.
It's pretty straightforward.
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So we also have a podcastwebsite on the social sideorg,
if you go to podcast, speakingof which, a new thing is a blog.
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That is the derivative.
Derivative of what, uh, of whatthese podcasts are.
Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
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It's you know the platform thatwe host that generates these.
We have somebody who just readsthrough it to make sure there's
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Um, like the transcriptssometimes say yeah, my name is
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Oh yeah, yeah, if I say unsanimor nojangnim.
Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
When I, when I generate captions, they never
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So hopefully.
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hopefully we could get it kind of cleaned up a
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But that's another thing andthat's also on socialimstarorg.
If you go to the blog pageyou'll see the majority of the
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Like I said, they're like athree-minute reads of kind of
(01:04:30):
gist, I guess, of what wastalked about.
Yes, Until next time, take careof yourselves and each other.
I'm Jörg.
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Anselm.
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