Find your dog’s superpower with the magic of Scent Work with Jamie Pound from UK Sniffer Dogs

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Welcome to the Yappy Hour, powered byYappily, the podcast for dog lovers
who want to better understand andconnect with their furry friends.
I'm your host, Nathan Dunleavy, andtoday we're diving into the world of
scent work, one of the most powerfulways to engage and fulfil your dog.
My guest is Jamie Pound, founder of UKSniffer Dogs, and a professional dog

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trainer specialising in scent work.
Jamie is passionate about showingpet parents how tapping into their
dog's incredible sense of smell canreduce stress, boost confidence and
provide essential mental stimulation.
In this episode, we explore why scentwork is so important, how it can help

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Anxious or high energy dogs and how petparents can easily get started at home.
If you've ever wondered how to make lifemore enrich, more enriching for your dog,
this is an episode you won't want to miss.
So grab a cup of tea, settlein and let's get started.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Welcome back to the Yappy Hour. (01:07):
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I'm your host, Nathan Dunleavy,and I'm so excited to bring
you another episode today.
We've got the amazing Jamie Pound fromUK Sniffer Dogs, and we're going to
be having a chat all about Jamie andUK Sniffer Dogs, what it's all about.
Jamie's a professional dog trainerwith a strong focus on enrichment

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based training and an advocatefor mental stimulation use.
and the dog's naturalabilities in training.
So I'm really, I've been reallylooking forward to this episode
and hearing more about scent work.
So Jamie, welcome to the yappy hour.
I'm so excited to chat with you today.
How are you doing?

Jamie Pound (01:46):
Brilliant.
Thank you so much for having me on.
It's a pleasure to be here.
Absolute pleasure.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour (01:51):
Wicked.
Great.
So let's get stuck in then.
So for those who may not be familiarwith your work, could you tell us
a little bit, a little bit about UKsniffer dogs and how it all began?

Yeah, absolutely.
So I've been a dog trainernow professionally for 2013.
And going through my journey, Idealt quite a lot with reactive dogs.
There was quite a few reactive dogs cominginto classes and also had one myself.
So I had a German shepherd whowas reactive to dogs and people.
And it was difficult to you know,let that sort of dog off the lead,

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give it the stimulation it needed.
so we got into scent work and wedid different types of scent work.
We did some detection work, wedid tracking, we also did some
trailing and he absolutely lovedall of his scent work that he did.
And we enjoyed doing it together.

Silence.

not only with his reactivity, but at home with the other dogs, he
was also a bit of a resource guarder.

Okay.

so he had a whole host of different things going on with him and
a challenge, let's say, but he was a

Yeah.

and yeah, he's that heart dog that everybody has for me.
It's that one that took me on the journey.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Was that Nemo? (03:09):
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No, it's Frankie.
It's my

Oh,

before.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Nemo's my newer German Shepherd.
He's coming through but Frankie.
Yeah, he died a few years back now.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh, bless. (03:20):
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yeah, he's the whole reason that I do what I do,

Yeah.

his behaviour and it definitely benefited how he How
we took to new situations as well.
He's a little bit more optimistic.
He was easier to handle.
So for me, I then started using itwithin my behaviour work and our classes.
I incorporated into our classes andback in 2018 sniffer dogs was born

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Brilliant. (03:48):
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Thank you again.

to work through within my own dog school.
So within Jamie Bound Dog Training.

Okay.

yeah, so it was only meant to be just a bit of fun for
our dog owners to enjoy a littlebit of competition here and there.

Yeah.

From there, people then started asking me to go and do it in
Manchester and host workshops, different

Yes.
Yeah.

and absolutely, I wanted to do this because I wanted to get it out
to as many pet dog owners as possiblebecause I wanted them to be able to use
it to enrich the dog's lives, but also

Yeah.

Problem solving behaviours

Yeah.
Yeah.

then I said, why don't I train up instructors to do it themselves?
So that

Yeah,

course was born,

yeah,

where we've got our bronze, silver, gold levels, and now we've

yeah.

as well.
So it's more accessible

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Pretty good. (04:40):
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the world.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah, that's pretty. (04:42):
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That's where I came across yourselvesbecause I've done the bronze one.
I don't do a lot of in person trainingnow, but I did do the bronze one.
I don't know if it was before lockdown,but I did it in Salisbury football club

I

with,

location.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah, with Mike and it was (04:57):
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Yeah, it was brilliant.
It was a really good cut the day.
So no, that's that's great.
And it's really interesting becauseeveryone I speak to yourself and other
dog trainers, they all got into dogtraining because of their own dog.
It's the same with my dog, my essay dog.
I've got three chihuahuas that all thinkthey're rottweilers and reactive on lead.

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Then I've got the toy pedals, which areall drama queens, but everyone I speak to,
they were a dog owner with their own dog.
special dog and then that then ledthem into the world of training
because they then wanted to haveother pet parents with similar issues.
So I love that.
I love that.
I love a bit of a story.
So thank you for that.
So scent work is somethingthat's gaining a lot of momentum.

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It's getting really popular, butit's still quite misunderstood.
Jamie, can you explain why it's suchan important activity for dogs, please?

Absolutely.
Now dogs see the world through their nose.

Yes.

and one of the best things I love watching is watching when the dog
is following its nose because you seeall these different body language changes

Yes.

benefits to our dogs having that outlet.

Yeah.

a natural outlet that dogs need for their welfare.
Okay.

Yeah.

So I like to liken it to sort of mindfulness or if
you've got an activity that you

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: interesting. (06:16):
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Yeah.
And, and

Yeah.

if you've got something that makes you feel good.
So some people like going to thegym and they come out and they feel
good, or some people like reading or,

Yeah.

reads to, to unwind and feel

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: That's good. (06:30):
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Yeah.

Scentwork is that for dogs and

great.

we have this I mean, a lot of pet dog owners that I deal with, they say,
Oh, he's sniffing all the time and I don'treally want to encourage you sniffing.
So that

Right.

getting into it.

Yes.
That's,

dog the outlet of, of, of scent work, we're providing it.
Actually, we mean not.
So we actually end up getting morefocus, more engagement out of the

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: that's it. (06:56):
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we're providing them that outlet.

Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Yeah, you've got to close your eyes for the whole walk.
No, you wouldn't want to.
That's the way you explore.
So yeah, that's the main reason.
But there's so many benefits to the dogs.
To their brain.
There's so many studies being done thatjust participating in scent work alone had
the huge impact it will have on confidenceor your, your nervous dogs or your over

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excitable dogs is going to calm as well.
So giving dogs that extralittle bit of stimulation And
you can practice it anywhere.
That's the biggest benefit forme is it can be done anywhere.
Search area could be in the kitchen orin your garden or, or even out on walks.
And that's when

Yeah.

it fun is bringing it in out and walks.

Yeah.
It's mad because like as a dog trainernow, and I'm driving along in my
van and I see someone, I don't knowabout you, but I'm always looking at
people's dogs, rather than people.
But I see a little dog there and he'strying to have a little sniff and this
poor dog's getting yanked along to say,you know, and I'm like, I just almost
want to shout out and say, let him sniff.
Let them bloody sniff becauseI'm a big advocate and just.

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In letting them sniff becauseI know the benefits, but you
know, the, the pet parent doesn'tnecessarily always know that.
So again, it comes back down toeducation, which we're really big
on, is, you know, because they,you don't know what you don't know.
So

Absolutely.
And I think back when I first gotFrankie, I remember doing this myself.
You have this picture of somebodywalking down the street with their
dog and their heads held up high.
And they're trotting likethey do with heel work crafts.
But.
But that's not reality.
And it's unrealistic to thinkthat the dog can do that.
Yes, practicing heel workis a great application of a

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skill to practice for safety.
You know, if you need to maneuveryour dog whilst out on walks, keep
them close, absolutely practice it.
General lead walking.
The dog should be allowed to sniff, shouldbe able to engage with its environment.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: that clear? (08:59):
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and you've got to remember it's the dog's walk,
you know, it's it's not not a bad

It's,

like we might think when we're exercising, oh, we've
got to go a certain distance.

Yeah.

a bit of time and enjoying that with your dog.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah, I was only saying it (09:12):
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to my husband yesterday.
I don't know why we've not spoke toit before, but I said, obviously the
dog sees the world through their nose.
It was like, what, not their eyes.
And I was like, no, and hefound it quite fascinating.
So, you know, again, it's justtalking about more brilliant.
So we're going to move on to ournext section, which is all about why
scent work is essential for dogs.
And obviously we've touched on a bit ofthat already, but obviously we often hear

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about the importance of physical exercise.
I must take my dog as.
Brits were kind of con or as humans,were conditioned that I must walk my
dog twice a day for an hour each time.
But why is mental stimulation just asinre just as crucial for dogs, Jamie?

So mainly with the stimulation I use, I'll
use it to train dogs, but alsoput them in a good head space.
That's the main important thing for me.
So getting the right balance.

Mm.

When I train dogs, I use motivational training and I'll use toys
and food to engage in games with the dogand I'll look to try and excite the dog
with the food or the toys in ways thatmight involve sniffing, chasing or biting,
you know, like your dog would want todo with a bunny rabbit or a squirrel.
Yeah.
So, because I Nemo, youmentioned Nemo a minute

I did.
Yeah.

He's not very food motivated, so you could

Right.

a bit of sausage in his face, and he's like, whatever absolutely,

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Well, some dogs aren't feeding me. (10:37):
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they're not, but if you throw that food, he'll
chase it, and he'll catch it,

Why?

for him,

Yes.

and

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Is the chase. (10:47):
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be

Yes.

be ham, it could be a biscuit, the game, the reward for
him is the chase and the bite of

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh, that's fair enough. (10:55):
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Yeah.

The the, the idea with, with using ScentWork though,
ScentWork generally calms dogs and itbrings dogs down, it lowers arousal.

Hmm.

chasing and biting, we're going to pump arousal.

Hmm.

yeah, there's a time and a place and I'll use the, the, the type of
reward to replicate what effort I want.
from the dog in the behaviour.
So if I want a recall, yeah, I'll rewardthe dog with a tug or a chase and a bite.
Because I want that dog to bond backto me, but equally I'll participate
in scent work games because dogs willwant to sniff with the environment

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and find hunting games of their own,

Hmm.

out bunny rabbits, squirrels, other dogs, bin bags, whatever.
But if you participate in that game out inthe environment with a dog, That benefits
your recall as well because you're nowproviding the dog the outlet of sniffing
rather than the environment itself.
So I think from everyday day today recall training, scent work
is important because if you'renot providing your dog the outlet,

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they're going to find it elsewhere.

Yeah.

motivation or engagement in certain locations because your
dog favors that game than you.

Yeah.

from an engagement point of view, recall point

Yeah.
Yeah.

there's so many other ways we can use it with our pet dogs.
Puppy biting is one of thebiggest things that I use it with.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah, that's a good point. (12:14):
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yeah, that killer puppy that comes home for the first

Sharp

it down on the

teeth.

yeah, and it's killing your toes.
And you think, oh my God,I've got a killer puppy.
But absolutely you haven't.
You've got a puppy that isseeing your feet move and
saying, oh, that moves, I must

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: That's exciting. (12:30):
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it.

Yeah.

So, using scent work to mentally stimulate these puppies,

Yeah.

bite and sniff at the same time.
So, one, we're going to stop the biting in

Yeah.

in that moment, but two, we're going to give the dog
stimulation that's going to calm thearousal, which is going to result in
less biting from the puppy as well.
So There's tons of ways we can useit, but generally dogs need it.
They need it in their routine.
And they, they are going to benefitand thrive from, from having it.

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No, I love that.
I didn't even think about puppiesand said, well, it's mad really.
But yeah, it's just giving them,just redirecting it and giving them
something else to do with their mouth.
But I love, I love how you've sortof said to use it for puppies.
So I've never even thought of that before.
How does engaging a dog's nose helpwith their emotional wellbeing?
So again, I guess all that'saround bringing those arousal

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and stress levels down.

This is, this is great one I could talk about.
So we've done a few the PPMyou're part of the PPM and

I am.
Yes.

very well.

I, I do.
Yes.
Of

we've done a few events where we've gone out Cyprus with those guys,

course.
Yes.
Yes.

work with rescue dogs in kennels which have

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I really, I really want (13:42):
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to go, but the husband's

if

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: seven dogs at home on his own. (13:47):
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So I'm not quite there yet, butit's on my radar that I want to go.

you go, be prepared to come back with eight.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: That's the problem. (13:59):
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That's why I've got seven dogs now.
Oh, okay.
So yeah.
So you went out to Cyprusand with the rescue dogs.
Yeah.

That's it.
And we used, we used a lot of scent work.
The idea was I was going to be therewith Maria and we were going to use some,
teach some scent work to the kennel handsand the the people that were helping.
So the dog's got a bit of scent outlet.

Love it.

found with, with a couple of the dogs, cause we were there over a
few days, we found with a couple of dogsthat they were quite shy, quite timid.
They're not used to human contact,

Yeah.

some dogs that were quite.
Reactive to the other dogswithin the kennels, but they
can't separate them completely.
They can do their best, butthey are going to see and hear
other dogs in this environment.
But over the couple of days, the dogs thatwe worked with, you saw their behaviour
and their emotional state change,

Oh, wow.

more receptive to the humans
we weren't directly, Trying, if you thinkabout behaviour training, this is where I
recommend with rescue dogs in particular,if you're going to rehome or you're going

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. (15:03):
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stressy kennels, and now they're starting to become
more relaxed in this environment.
doing searches within the kennels.
They're coming out of theirpen and doing some search work.
They

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: That's lovely. (15:36):
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end to walk these dogs.
These dogs

No.

for 10 minutes a day, and

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh, bless them. (15:42):
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Yeah, yeah.

get out and do 10 minutes of sniffing,

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah, amazing. (15:46):
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do maybe three minutes of sniffing here and there throughout
the day, then they're getting outa lot more and getting more of
a balance level of stimulation.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I love that. (15:54):
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affected those dogs.
And, and, and yeah, if we can getit into rescue, if you rehome it,
when you're bringing that dog home,you know, especially from abroad,
they need that time to decompress

Well,

way

yeah,

to get them using their nose.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah, because apparently it (16:11):
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can take up to six months for arescue dog to fully decompress.
And obviously if it's been like free,like a traumatic event that, you
know, that kind of sticks with them.
So I love how you bring scent work intoit again to just build that confidence,
build that bond, that relationship ithas so many amazing uses, doesn't it?

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That's brilliant.

that we're talking about that comes off a plane, the first thing we want
to do when we get that dog is walk it.
We're like, Oh, let's take it out.
And

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Probably the worst thing you could do. (16:44):
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yeah.
And we've told people that we'vegot this dog and we want people to

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: All these people coming round. (16:48):
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yeah, it's not going to be good for the dog.
If you're,

Yeah,

dog out to somewhere that they're going to see as
stressful, they're only going toattach that negativity to you.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: that's it. (16:59):
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going to not weaken the bond, but it's going to make it harder to build,

Yeah.
Yeah.

to build up the trust, play scent games in the
house with a dog, get it used tothe garden with some scent games.
Now start bringing those in on your walks.
Now you've got a dogthat's looking to you.
with trust as its caregiver, ratherthan fear what situation is this
person going to put me into next?
Yeah,

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: No, I love that. (17:26):
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And I love all the work that youdo in Cyprus with Maria and that.
So I get so jealous, but I maybeget there one day once I can talk.
Finally, maybe we've got lesser dogsthat I can talk the husband into.

I
This year because it's

Oh, you.
Oh, right.
Okay.
That's a shame.

It would

Yeah.

have dog care and child care for

Oh God.
Too,

way I can do that,

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: too much. (17:49):
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No, you have to.

go back.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: No, that's fair enough. (17:52):
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Perfect.
So moving on to our next question.
For any pet parents who might nothave thought about scent work before,
what are some signs that theirdog would really benefit from it?

Absolutely.
So, I mean, easy answer is everydog is going to benefit from it,

Hmm.

but dogs that are sort of getting themselves into trouble.
Okay.
So dogs that are selfemployed possibly need a job.
We've

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: like that (18:18):
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you know, we've always heard dogs need a job.
Yeah.
Everybody's

They do?
Yeah.

if a dog could pick its own job, guarantee you it would be sniffing.
if we give that dog that job, we're goingto see their general behaviour shift.

Mm.

We're going to start to see better decisions

Yeah.

they're being fulfilled in that certain way.

Yeah.

Puppies, puppies.
When this is the biggest thing for me,the, before the puppies can go out.
So that window of wherethey're being vaccinated,

Yes,

many problems at home with these puppies because they
To get familiar with their environmentand they've, they've been there for a
week or so now and they've checked it.
It's not so new anymore.

yeah,

to find trouble.

yes.

got these, these, these two or three week period
where we can't take the dog out for

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah, yeah. (19:05):
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also their physical makeup at the minute, we can't
walk them for long periods,

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: And they've got all this energy. (19:11):
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Yes.

but

Yeah.

that brain.
And if we get that pup sniffing,then we're giving it a good mental
stimulation, a good balance.
You're going to see lessbad behaviour in the house.

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but so many people getting working breeds and not
realizing that they need working.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: They need that outlet. (19:29):
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Absolutely.
Two typical examples.
One being the, the, the everpopular at the minute cockapoo.
Yeah.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh God, yeah. (19:37):
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Yeah.
Every family is, is gettinga cockapoo and it's made

Yes.
And people don't realise that, do they?
They do not realise that.
Yes.
They just get this cute dogand they don't realise they've
got these two breeds together.
And then you've got a whole mountainof other stuff to contend with.

And you'll see a lot of them with developing reactivity problems or

garden.

problems,

Yeah.

natural, natural innate behaviours are going to
start to come out in the dog.
and

Yeah.

in areas where we might class as naughty.
So like you said, resourceguarding or things like that.
Now, if we stimulate the dog andthey get to use their innate babies
in other ways, like sniffing, youare definitely gonna, gonna see less
resource guarding within that dog.
As I mentioned with Frankie.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah, brilliant. (20:30):
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And what did you say?
It was another breed as wellthat you're seeing it more.
Sorry.

I've,

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh, dachshunds. (20:36):
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this one myself.

Yeah.
Well, you've got one now, haven't you?
Yes.

Yeah.
It's funny cause you, you, you always seenfor the dog that you have, haven't you?
So I've always been known asa German shepherd type man.

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me.

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You've got a massive little and large.

dogs.
I think they're popular on TV aswell in movies and things like that.
So kids like them, butthey are not your sofa pet.
You know, I've got four dogs and Lily.
My Dachshund is the smallest and we'llgo out for a walk and all the dogs
will come back and lay on their beds.
Lily might do it for.
Two minutes and thenshe wants to go again.
So are bred for huntingbadgers and working down holes

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and working independently.
That's the main thing.
So, you know, our Spaniards and our,our German Shepherds, German Shepherds,
especially are reliant on their handler.
They're, they're very in tune withtheir handler and You know, it's a
part of a handler and dog game when I'mworking with Nemo, my German shepherd.
But when I'm working with Lily,yeah, she's totally independent.
She's doing her thing whichis what they're bred for to go

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down and hunt the badgers alone.

Yes.

the holes with them.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah, no, we weren't fit for starters. (21:50):
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Yeah,

they're bred to be barkers.
So what we see is if they're, if theirneeds aren't met and they're given that
stimulation, given that job, we're goingto see more barking, more digging more
burying of stuff, more stealing of stuffand possibly resource guarding as well,

yeah,

type of breeds.

yeah.

Lily's Lily's been a challenge, but she's, she's great for

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: No, I walk a couple of dachshunds and (22:17):
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we've got a few on our walking books.
And yeah, they have come withtheir, with their, what's the word?
Their special, special,yeah, attitudes probably.
I didn't want to like, didn't want tosound negative because I love them.
Like, I know.
You know, I love all the dogs,but no, they've come, they come
with their big personalities.

Yes, absolutely.
And

perfect.

All dogs can do it.
But yeah,

Yeah.

I love seeing the breeds that are not known for it as well.

Yeah.

boxers, we have

Yes.

I've got a three legged staffie at the minute, Nala who's
absolutely smashing it in classes.
And, and yeah, she's got three legs.
It doesn't bother her.
She searches really, really well.

Well, he does better than some of the others.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: love that. (23:02):
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And I think that leads us nicely intoour next section, which is the benefits
of scent work for different dogs.
So I like that obviouslyyou've spoken about puppies
and that every dog can do it.
And obviously even older dogs, like theymay lose their sight on their hearing, but
they're never going to lose their scent.
their sense of smell.
So yeah, senior dogs and stuff like thatwith dogs that got made mobility issues.

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But we have mentioned it a little bit.
But how can scent work help dogs thatdo struggle with reactivity or anxiety?

So for dogs with reactivity and anxiety generally are, dogs are
reactive to what they see in hear.

Mm.

And they're very in tune with scanning the environment and watching
for a trigger or hearing a trigger.

Mm.

working its nose, ge generally starts to overpower every
other sense, and they start to ignore.
Distractions around them.
So I run general pet dog classes

Right.

reactive dogs to our classes.
We work outside.
So we make sure we givethem plenty of space.

Good.

If a, if a, if a owner phone me up tomorrow and said, I've got a

Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

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Yeah.

walk nicely on the lead, look at

Yes.
Yeah.

Can, can take the pressure off as well.
And they start to ignore the other dogs.
And I had it once with dog code.
And I think it was Nero.
Yeah, Nero.
And was highly reactive, German shepherd.
And we would tell all the owners, right.
When it's his go to come up for thesearch, I want you all to step back.
So it gives him space to come up.
And,

Yeah,

Now, normally, if that was in a behaviour class, he'd have looked across
at the other dog and probably kicked off.
But I think because he was in his flowof his sniffing and doing his job, he was

yeah,

it.

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Mm hmm.
Yeah.

exercises.
The movement in the other dogs is goingto heighten the reactivity in our dogs.
Whereas when we're working on staywork, it might be easier for the dog to
focus because the triggers stationary.
actually, it can be a bit confusingfor that for the owner as well,
they're saying, Oh, well, he wasokay last week because we were
doing stays and and whatever.
But this week we're doing recallsand he's just lost his mind.

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it's because of themovement in the other dogs.
Whereas

Yeah.

the game is predictable.
They know they're coming to do that job.
It might be a differentsearch, but it's the same job.

Yeah.

and you're naturally building that positive association
around those other dogs.

Yeah.
Brilliant.
I love that.
Absolutely love that.
And obviously he's focused on what,what he's doing is he doesn't have
to worry about what's going onaround him because he's so involved
with, you know, the scent work.

All this stuff can be done on lead as well.
There's no

yeah.

dog off the lead.
It can be done in small spaces.
So these dogs that these reactivedogs generally can't be let off
leading in local parks and woodland,

Yeah,

we can do searches with them on the lead in different
places to add to that stimulation.

yeah.
What I love there as well isthat you said, I mean, because a
lot of people, they're basicallyadvertised no reactive dogs allowed.
And I love that you said that you welcomereactive dogs because for the, for the pet
parent or the guardian, the owner to seethat, that's nice because otherwise they
can sometimes feel they can feel a bitisolated if they've got a reactive dog.

(27:20):
And whereas you've said, youknow, you know, they're welcome.
And I think I really like that.

I think I've personally got a soft spot for
that area of training because ofmy history of what I went through.
I know the feelings.
I know how that that

Exactly.

feeling.
And

Yeah.

before, it is normally a bond breakdown.
And if we can get that person to liketheir dog again, yeah, rather than
going, I dread putting that lead on thedog and taking that dog out for a walk.
I dread even it.
taking him anywhere.
Actually, if they start enjoying atleast just once an hour a week, whether
it's in classes with you or they managedto start them practicing at home.

(27:56):
Now you are improving that bondand that person is changing
their perception of that dog and

Yeah.

the behaviour training itself.

Yeah.
Love that.
Brilliant.
So what about then our high energy breeds?
How does Scentwork helpthem focus and relax?

So absolutely.
Now you're talking your your let'stalk about our working Cocker Spaniels.
Yeah.
There's lots of people that go outand get a working Cocker Spaniel

Yeah.

think they're getting a clever dog so that
it's going to be easy to train.
That's totally the wrong thing.
dogs are normally the harder onesto train because they pick up bad
behaviour just as good as they doquick as they do good behaviour.
So most of the time I like it.
I always use Okay.
Thanks.
Spaniels for this is this example,but most Spaniel owners might turn up

(28:44):
to the, the, the park with their dog.
They open the boot of the car and thedog just does the best fun of its life
chasing birds or running 400 yardsaway from them and having the best game
scent game in their life in the bushes.
Well, then what you get is a dog jumpingout of the car, rushing off for this
game, which is nothing to do with you,which is going to affect your recall.

(29:06):
If you got that Spaniel out of thecar, and you popped it on the lead, and
you did some searches around your carfirst, then you went on a walk, you're
going to have a dog that's lower inarousal, so easier to manage on walks.

Yeah.

giving the dog the outlet of the game, so they're going to look to
you, rather than the environment for it.

Yeah.

But yeah, all these working breeds, Mally's are high
at the minute, you know, they're,a lot of people are getting Mally's

Yeah.

realize the work that they put in

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah, yeah, (29:34):
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yeah, they're known for their bite work, but

yeah.

at arousal.
So I do know a lot of Mallyowners that, yeah, they might.
participate in agility or highdrive sports, which is going to
pump arousal through the roof

Okay.

and probably make general behaviour worse.
They balance it out with doing scentwork throughout the week as well to

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: That's, that's good. (29:54):
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Yeah.
Brilliant.

so yeah,

Yeah.
I often, I often say to some of my petparents or owners like if the dog's had
quite an excitable walk, I'm like, oh,we need to do some brain and sniffy games
between now and the next walk just tobring that, those arousal levels down.
And it works because they come outon the next walk and they're not as
like you know, worked up and stuff.

(30:20):
So brilliant.
So I think we touched on obviouslythis anyway again, but regardless
of a dog's age or breed is somethingis, yeah, it's sent where it's
something that all dogs can do.
I think, you know,

dogs.
So again, older dogs.
Now this is, again, I'm passionate aboutthis because we've, there's a couple
of ends of the, there's a couple ofdifferent types of older dog, let's say.
So you've got that older dogthat has served you all its life.
And you've, you've, you've donemaybe agility with this dog and
you've done some competitive type.
training, which is physical, so it mightbe agility or competitive, obedient,

(30:57):
something like that, working trials.
Now this dog's getting that littlebit older and it physically can't,
you know, it's getting aches andpains, might be suffering from
illness, arthritis, things like that.
We don't just stop.
Yeah, we don't just stop.
Okay, you can't do agility anymore.
So we just stop and we getanother dog and we work on the new
project and he just sits at home.
No, we don't.

(31:17):
We we look for somethingelse for that dog to do.
And

Yeah,

we're younger, we are physically active.
We might participate in certain sportsor do running or things like that.
As we get older, we're probably likelyto do more reading or puzzles or whatever
it might be when, when we get to thatage, flicking on TikTok or something.
But, but yeah.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: no, that's good. (31:54):
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It's good.
It can be for all agesand all breeds of dogs.
I love that.
Okay.
So maybe not.

just touching on ages.
And we were talking about that.
It's a mixture of dogs canparticipate in this together as well.
So

Yeah.

classes, I might have younger dogs, puppies and older dogs.
And we had a a retired is a colleagueretired from he worked to music
and the highest level of agility.
She used to compete across

Oh, wow.

same class.
But then we had a six month oldLabrador that had done absolutely
nothing in terms of baby training.
the six month old Labrador pickedit up a hell of a lot quicker than
the, the dog that had been trainedin all these other disciplines.
And it was great for that pet dogowner to see this Collie who's normally
like God, super dog, super dog.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Super dog. (32:41):
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yeah, absolutely.
To her, being beaten by a littlesix month old Labrador who's

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh, that's. (32:48):
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with toilet training, let's say.

Yeah.
Yeah.

so

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh, that's brilliant. (32:52):
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No, I love that.
So moving on to how pet parentscan get started with scent work.
So many pet parents assume scentwork is just for working dogs,
but how can everyday pet parentsget started with scent work?

Absolutely.
Now it doesn't need to be complicated.
That's the

Hmm.
Yeah.

think, Oh, that's when I first got into it,
my trainer used to scare me

Yeah.
Ha ha.
Gotcha.

used to be scared to do it when I was at home,
just in case I got it wrong.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh, okay. (33:23):
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And that's why my passion is making it really easy
and foolproof for you to practicewithout making any mistakes.

Yes.

the we've got a UK sniffer dogs.
We've got a free download that peoplecan get, which is 12 free set exercises
that they can do at home with their dog.

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Originally, it was five free exercises that we brought
out in lockdown because peoplecouldn't get out as much and we were

Yes.
Yes.

to be able to have exercise that they could do at home with their dog,

Yeah.

stimulation that they need.

Yeah.

over the years, we've built it now up to 12 free exercises,
which will involve toys and food,which we can start activating
the dog's nose in different ways.

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some, it doesn't need to be complicated.
Most of them can be donewithin your home on your own.
Sometimes you might need to venture outinto your garden or, or things like that,
or, or even get, get doing it on walks

Yeah.

to get started by just doing some simple search games for food or toys.
And then.
Sniffer Dogs, obviously we've gotUK Sniffer Dogs instructors now
all around the country that runpractical courses for pet dog owners
to go along and take their dog too.

Mm.

this week I've had a in my classes, I've had a Rottweiler
Cross German Shepherd, I've

Wow.
Wow.

I've got Jack Russells, Jack

Oh, wow.

she's coming to crafts at little Jesse.
She won our, one of, one ofour gold competitions recently.

Yeah.

got, you've got Mally's there working Cocker Spaniels and all these,
these top working breeds and the JackRussell's in there winning it as well.
So every dog can do it.
And, and, and.
Absolutely.
I would look at just puttingit in in some way into your
routine with your dog, whether

Yeah.

a day, and it's a different little sniff game each day, food or toys,

Yeah.

want to take it a bit further, look for a local instructor.
If you don't have a localinstructor, we've got online
courses where they can take

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: That's right. (35:18):
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Brilliant.
Brilliant.
Have you got any sort of fun and easy?
I know you've got the 12 games,but is there any sort of fun,
easy scent based games that peoplecan play with their dogs at home?

absolutely.
Now that the one that I normallyuse with puppies at home

Yeah.
Oh,

cup game.
So you'll

okay.

Yeah, two, two cups and you're up.
I won't turn them up the other way becauseTurn them up So they're up the other way
and pop a treat underneath one of them

Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.

reward the dog for their effort in trying to get the treat
So if they, some dogs might pourthe pot and we say, yeah, good dog.
And they can take the pot andthen we can place one under the
pot again and switch them around.
Some dogs might nose, but acouple of times, some dogs
might bark at you being a taxi.
Some dogs might you know, justsit basically, I would say reward

(36:14):
effort in them trying to show you.
And it's just a quick, simple game.
by placing a treat under twocups, switching them around,
playing a little switch game.
And you're working thatbrain, you know, five treats,
couple of repetitions of that.
That's going to lower that,that, that pops arousal.
And it's a bit of fun as well.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah, love that. (36:30):
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And we mentioned aboutobviously on their walks.
So how can pet parents incorporatescent work into their regular walks with
their dogs to make them more enriching?

Brilliant.
So I do a little thingcalled environmental searches

Okay.

Environmental search.
If you think about maybe puppy confidencecourses or where we used to get dogs used
to different surfaces and things likethat what we use in our behaviour class is
similar to that, but on using scent work.

Yeah.
Hmm.

And what I try and tell my owners to do, even in my
behaviour classes, we cover searchesand we, we, we stress the importance
of, of, of playing searches withyour dog and we just do it with

Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

It can send some them.
Of the air breathed in up to the brain.
It can send some down tothe lungs for breathing.
And that takes a lot of work.
So you're mentally tiringyour dog at the same time.
They're having a great game.
So environmental searches is greatand it can be done with food.
Again, it can be done with toy, butjust using, and I try and encourage
owners to look for different surfaces.
But I do say as my disclaimer,only use something that is safe

(38:09):
and legal for you to do so.
Don't

Yeah.

it on next door's car.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah, definitely. (38:17):
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And I guess they could take outif some of their food and do some
scatter feeding on a, on a walk, abit of find it and stuff like that.
Yeah.

of stimulation that they need in the mornings and then we'll do further
training or walks later on in the day.
So, you know, you can use it whenyou want to give your pup that extra
stimulation, or you can use it when theyare being a little bit aroused naughty.
Let's say let's use it to toactivate that and people say well,
aren't we rewarding the dog food?
He's biting my foot.
Aren't we rewarding them with afind it by throwing food around?

(38:54):
No, what you're doing is you'regiving them an alternate game

Yeah.

predatory game, which is sniffing

Yeah.
Yeah.

or hands

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I know what I'd prefer. (39:05):
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Yeah.

Perfect.

that they will calm and they will relax after it as well.

Perfect.
All right.
So moving on to our next section.
And then we're, we're, we'renot got much left after that.
We've literally been sailingfor us, which is brilliant.
Cause it's packed full of info,but just a little bit about
the science behind scent work.
So.
We've already mentioned some bits already,but obviously dogs noses are 40 times more
powerful than humans, and we've said thatthey experience the world through scent.

(39:34):
They have an incredible sense of smell.
Can you explain what makes it so powerful?

Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, one of the biggest, one is theamount of scent receptors a dog has.

Yeah.

have up to about 300 million scent receptors,

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: It's mad. (39:48):
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five to six million.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: That's mad, isn't it? (39:50):
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And, and yeah, there's your, your blood hounds and your dogs
that are bred for scent in are going tobe in your three hundreds 300 millions.

Yeah.

your brachycephalic feeds and your breeds and your your pointy nose you
know, whippets and things like that arestill going to have high scent receptor
cells and be good at using their nose.

Mm.

one of the most fascinating things for me, I would say is that dogs
have two, what we call olfactory systems.
So

Yes.
Mm.
Mm.

that they have of detecting scents.
And.
Our main olfactory system is locatedat the front of their brain and it's,
you've got what was called the olfactorybulb, which processes the sense.
Other dogs wee.
Yeah.
We see, we see that

Yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yes.

finding out how healthy that dog is.
It's potential mate or potential threat.
So they can detect things thatare not necessarily there.
And this is why it's beenwhy it's so powerful.
And it's now being used to detect thingslike cancer, diabetes, things like that.

Yeah.

and I say they're detecting, they're detecting
smells that we can't see.
They're invisible things.
And another thing that Imentioned recently is, like I
said, they detect ghosts so theycan detect the pheromones of

I often wonder, I often wonder this.

well, they can detect they can detect pheromones of other dogs

Yeah.

locations.
So for instance, dogs might go intoa vets and a dog that was in there
previously had a bad experience.
Well, that dog would havegiven off certain pheromones

Yes.

fear pheromones.

Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.

With a potential threat, they'll give off these pheromones,

Yeah.

because they can smell other

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I can smell. (42:27):
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in the past.
So

mad.

it's so amazing.
The dog snows and, and that's where they.
they'll use it to detect in humansthrough sweat or saliva and then be a
medical assistant stock in terms of like

Yes,

or things like that.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah, yeah. (42:42):
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their capabilities are endless.
It's amazing.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I think they can pick up on, like, (42:46):
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when a woman's pregnant, can't they,like, the hormone changes and stuff
like that affects their behaviour.
Because that's happened to a few dogs.

long before any other.

Yeah.

you know, dogs, dogs have proven to

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: just, that's mad. (42:59):
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long before any medical tests can do.

I think they were starting to be used
to, like, spot COVID, weren't they, orsomething, or something along those lines.
Yeah,

efficient and they can pick it up a lot quicker

Yeah
yeah.

So there's,

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I don't know. (43:16):
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I don't know if I've got this rightbut can they detect, I don't know
if I heard where I heard this,like, like a teaspoon of sugar in an
Olympic sized pool, swimming pool.
Ha ha ha ha ha.

is half a teaspoon of sugar

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Harvesties. (43:30):
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swimming pool.

Yes.
Ha ha ha ha

sugar in tea.
I can't, but some people can.
But dogs can

ha.

half a teaspoon in an Olympic sized swimming pool.
So,

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: That's nuts. (43:42):
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as well.
One I like is becausehumans are quite visual.
So,

Yeah.

things, we see the world with our eyes, don't

We do.

If you In a comparison from sight to scent, so our sight to dog
scent, you could see a third of a mile,the dog could see 3, 000 some miles away.
So if you're, and that'slike London to New York.
So potentially your dog could sniffto New York, the distance that

(44:13):
you can see a third of a mile.
Yeah, the dog can see 3,

mad.

with their nose.
So,

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: That's mad. (44:19):
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Yeah, it's a, it's, it's a powerful tool.

It is.
So how does scent work actuallyaffect a dog's brain and mood?

So it's going to release chemicals in the brain and there's
an actual chemical change happeningin the dog's brain when the dog
is let's say when a dog is doingsomething that they find pleasurable.
Parts of their brain aregoing to be activated.
So the orbital frontalcortex is one of these.
And generally that's activatedwhen we, we have that as well.

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When we do something that we findpleasurable, know that dogs love sniffing.
So we know that we're making thatchemical change within the brain.
so we definitely see it cheered dogs up.
I had a, I had a puppy week onesniffer dog class yesterday, and we
got two litter mates poodly types.

(45:10):
One of them is like over enthusiasticand just can't wait to do the job.
The other one was very reserved and,and, and a bit nervous to come forward.
A little bit nervous of me as well.
We did about three to four searchesin the last search, that dog that
was a little bit more reserved.
jumped with excitement and wagged its tailwhen I went to hide the object, whereas

(45:33):
all the other times I did it previously,the dog was showing signs of fear,

Yeah,

it was towards me or whether it was towards the kit that
we were asking the dog to search.

yeah,

Just by doing three, and she started to build trust in the game and
like the game, her whole attitude changed.
In our mood.
So absolutely affects their mental state

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Love that. (45:53):
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to have a dog in a good mental state before we start the actual
training because most of the timebehaviour is down to trauma or past
experiences or how the dog is feeling.
Yeah, we can have learned behaviour.
There is learned behaviour that happens,but most of the time see behaviour issues
from, certain experiences or even pain.

(46:17):
So once pain has been addressed andmake sure pain is not there, then
absolutely using scent work to mentallystimulate that dog is going to benefit.

Perfect.
Brilliant.
That's great.
So why is scent based problemsolving much more rewarding for dogs
than simply just running around?

I think it's dogs revel in it and they they they're
the only ones that can do it.

Yeah.

I think sometimes we see I think dogs are that clever and you know,

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: They are. (46:52):
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pick up objects or do silly tricks and then I'll shut up.
You, you, you turn around on thespot or you pick the spoon up.
Sniff.
You can't do that.
I'll show you how it's done.
Yeah.
So I think there's thatelement that they know.
They're they're capable of this.

Yeah.

they naturally enjoy doing it.
And, and it's just the pleasure I getwatching the dog enjoy themselves to it.
Enjoy themselves doing it becauseyou, you just know by watching
every single dog that's doing it.
I mean, drug stocks, when youwatch them at the airport, they
always look so bloody happy.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah, they do. (47:27):
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Well,

most of

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: again, you're, (47:29):
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they don't find

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: no, well, again, you're giving (47:32):
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them that job to do, aren't you?
You're giving them something to do.
That's what they, they,

The reinforcement is in the game itself.
Yeah,

mmm.

rewards to mold behaviour and shape indication.
But most of the time, the reward isin the reward is in the in the game.

Yeah.

intrinsic behaviour.
And

Yeah.

Drugstores and operational dogs will search all day long and
they're not always finding butthey're still enjoying that got job

Yeah.

the sniffing aspect of it.

Yeah.

and yeah, there's certain things that we do where we reward the dog
and we train the dog to cope with blindblank searches and things like that.
The main thing is, is they'reenjoying it, whether they find or
not, they're going to enjoy it.
And when

Yeah.

competition, this is what I try and get across to my owners.
The owners are always so.
focused on the find when the dog

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: okay, right. (48:24):
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Yeah,

say, relax, let them enjoy the search is for the

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: definitely. (48:30):
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It's not

Yes
that's it.

do exercises in our classes where sometimes I won't put any scent
out and I said, just let your dogsearch the pipes and search the area.
Let them

Yeah.

there's nothing out there.
And when I do that, it takesthe pressure off the owner.
And the

Yeah.

then enjoys the search and realizes that they enjoy
watching their dog search ratherthan worrying about the find.
And the

I think

it just as much.

I think that comes back to us though, as humans
and our egos really, that we want, wealways, we want them to find it, but
don't realise that they're having just asmuch fun sniffing for it and finding it.
You know, it comes back down to us really.
Should be about the dog, not us!
Aww.

like she's mad for a ball, absolutely mad for a ball I,
I'll sometimes I'll drop the ball onour walk but behind me without knowing
and then we'll carry on walking forages and then I'll, send her back to
go and find it and I love watchingher try so hard to find that and I
think great I'm tiring her out even

Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

in her.
Yeah.
But, but yeah, it's great funthrowing in things like that.
It will drop the toy back, send her back.
And I like challenger.
And sometimes, sometimes I'llsend her to look for things and
knowing they're not even there,

Yeah.

and she'll enjoy it as well.
And then I'll reward her with a boss.
So here is a sucker and then threat,but it's all just part of the game.
And she enjoys the search just as muchas she does when she finds the ball,

Yeah.

the scent.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I love the sma The smell. (50:04):
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The sound.
I love the sniffing.
The sound.
That, to me, I love a dog.
The sound for dog sniffing.

call it those muscles is what I call

Yeah.

my word for it.
Because,

good.

yeah, dogs can inhale and exhale at the same time.

Yeah.
And that's good.
That's amazing.
Isn't it?
That.

It is.
And it's all about thehigh frequency sniffing.
When a dog is high frequency sniffing,what happens is the mouth closes and
they inhale and exhale at the same time.
So they're taking

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for their nostrils, but the slits in the side of
the nose are chucking scent out.

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Hmm.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Hmm.

typical Labrador sniffing in the ground.
And you can almost imagine those swirlsof air coming around the side of his nose.
And you can hear thosenostrils hoovering the ground.
That's the nose muscles and that'swhat tires the dog out if we
can activate those nose muscles.

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All about the nose muscles.
Right, gosh, we've literallysailed through this episode.
We're going to start wrapping itup for the last five minutes or so.
It's literally been jampacked full of information.
So, just some finalquestions if I may, Jamie.
If there's one thing you wish allpet parents knew about scent work,

(51:17):
what would that one thing be?

Oh, I wish that pet parents truly knew their dog would
say to them they come off a search.
Yeah, I would love to question the dogand say, how did you find that mate?
And let

Yeah.

me a little bit of feedback.
I'd have so much better reviews onmy website if the dogs could leave
the reviews rather than the humans.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh, okay. (51:40):
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Post match, post matchanalysis or something.
I'm not a football fan,but a bit of feedback.

If the dog could give me the feedback, I'll tell you
what, we'd get better reviews.

Well,

the the, know they're enjoying it.
And I think if

yeah.

knew exactly how much their dog would enjoy it,
and most of the time, try it.
Because once you try it, You willsee how much your dog enjoys it.
And for instance, there'sone in my business this week.
So, Gemma phoned me earlier andI've been speaking to a lady.
She's got a reactive dog.
She's a bit nervousabout joining the class.

Okay.

look, you'll be fine.
I've got space for your dog.
Your dog will enjoy it.
And normally we make them pay upfront for a certain amount of.
Classes.
So they're booked in for the slot.
I said, just come along on Friday.
Try it.
I'll send you the bankdetails after the class.
If you've enjoyed it, send themoney for the rest of the five weeks

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: That's good. (52:32):
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Gemma was like, really, people should be paying before they come.
I said,

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah, yeah, I get that. (52:36):
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she's going to enjoy it and she's going to pay anyway.
So if I tell her she's gotto pay now, she might think

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that. (52:44):
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more job that I've got doing.
You know, if I, if I say no, sorry,you've got to pay before and it's
got to be done, but every now andthen you've got to, you've got

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah, you've got a, yeah, work. (52:55):
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We often say work with the dog infront of us, but maybe this case is
working with a human in front of us.
So, yeah, so for someone who wantsto give it a try but isn't sure
where to start, what is your top tip?

Top tip would be finding your dog's motivator.
Because it is a lot of people try thingsin the home and the dog does well and they
say, I hear it all the time, all the dog.
Dog can do it at home, but when we go onwalks, it just, he's just too distracted.
He wouldn't do it.
He wouldn't do it in the field.
Okay.
But actually, if you find theright motivator for that particular

(53:32):
location, you're going to get it.
Which that comes down to, you know,the golden rule that I tell pet dog
owners is have a pick a mix of treats.
Check what your dog likes more.
Actually playing with yourdog, learning to play with your
dog, with, with different toys.
And then the dog has to go off andsearch for it and find it so we
can play with with certain toys butmainly finding what your dog's real

(53:55):
motivator is what makes the dog tick

Yeah,

you know and i know

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it's a ball luckily she does like food as well and like i said with
nemo i know that he will go for movingfood but he won't go for still food

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: That's so interesting. (54:08):
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Yeah.

it's It's, it's trying to

Yeah.

of the chasing the bite in the sniffing with the
dogs to work out what they like.
Yeah.
Find your motivator isit is your best thing

perfect.

you're old dog like cheese doesn't mean your new dog does, you

Now I know, and I was saying this on a podcast
the other day is that when I used todo puppy classes, obviously I'd say
to the owner to identify a high valuetreat, rather than like your normal
boring treats or your kibble, whatever.
But I used to do the taste test andI'd say to them to put different things
under a pot and let the dog choose.
Let the dog choose and not you tellingthem, oh, this is your high value.

(54:46):
And it might be you've got somechicken or cheese, but it might be
that they picked two things or they.
pick three things, but just havea choice, but let the dog pick.
I love, used to love doing that.

Yeah,

Hmm.

And like you said, you could do it.
I do one very similar where I uselike a little baking tray and I'll

Oh, yes.

each bake each little thing and you give it to the dog.
But you do a few repetitions ofthe same treats in the same tray.
And you start to record whichone the dog takes first.

Yeah.

going for the chicken first or always going for the cheese
first, you know, that's number one.

Yeah.
Yeah.

if, but if you only do it once, it's not such a true reading.
You've got to do a few

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: No, you got to do it a few times. (55:26):
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you

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: That's, that's a really good point. (55:28):
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Yeah.

I think it's good to let the dog choose,
really, rather than us choose for them.
Right, Jamie, where can our listenersfind out more about your work and get
involved with UK Sniffer Dogs, please?

Absolutely.
Well, if you are at Crufts2025, we will be in hall five.
So come over to the UK Snifferdog stand.
I think it's 66 or 65, one of the two.
And we are just by the obedience ring.
So we'll be there.
I've got my little Daxi.
We've got some other pet of

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Lily, Lily's going again. (55:58):
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Hmm.

nightmare, but she's good fun.
She's good for the crowd.
She loves the job and all, all someof the pet dog owners that have gone
through our classes as pet dogs aregonna come and demonstrate as well.
So it's showing that your actual averagepet dog owner is capable of doing this.
And you know, we've alsogot some reactive dogs.
Two of the dogs coming are, have beenreactive dogs that have come to us

(56:25):
needing lots of space in group classes.
And now haven't ever targeted specific.
with these two dogs.
One's a Cocker Spaniel who's with uson Sunday, Reggie, and one is the Jack
Russell, Jesse, who's with us on Friday.
They wear yellow things thatsay anxious, need space.

Okay.

they will cope no problem in that location because
they're there to do their job.
So

Yeah.

is a proof in the pudding.
These guys have been coming to me fora couple of years now, and all we've
ever focused on is scent work with them.

Yeah.

specifically targeted reactivity training with the dogs.
And it's

Yeah.
Yeah.

they can cope or not.
So yeah.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: That's amazing. (57:08):
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And

sniffer dogs.
com.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I was going to say, so anyone, (57:11):
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anyone that's not going to craft.
So what would like,have you got a website?
So do you just want to mention that again?

it's UK sniffer dogs, www.
uksnifferdogs.
com.
That's where you'll findour 12 free set exercises.
If you

Lovely.

your dog at home, we've also got a directory where
you can find your local instructorand we've got our online courses.
If you can't find a local instructorthat suits your needs or wise as well.
So yeah, the

Yeah.

totally accessible for everybody.

Amazing.
Jamie, thank you so much for joining me onthe Yappy Hour today, powered by Yappily.
I know you're really busy and I wasso conscious about getting you on and
getting our diaries to sync together.
So I really appreciate you takingthe time out today to join me.
And yeah, it's been a great episode andwe'll have to get you back on again soon.

It's been an absolute pleasure and thank
you so much for having us.

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Thank you, Jamie. (58:07):
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Thank you, mate.
What a brilliant conversationwith Jamie Pound.
Here are some key takeawaysfrom today's episode.
Number one, scent work is one of thebest ways to engage your dog's brain.
Using their nose helps dogs to feelhappy and fulfilled while providing
essential mental stimulation.

(58:30):
Number two, it's notjust for working dogs.
benefit from scent work.
Whether your dog is anxious, highenergy or a senior, scent based
activities are adaptable for all.
Number three, scent work can be apowerful tool for behaviour issues.
Giving dogs structured scentbased tasks reduces frustration,

(58:51):
anxiety and overstimulation.
Number four, you don't needfancy equipment to get started.
Simple games that hide and Scatterfeeding and scent trials are great
ways to introduce scent work at home.
Jamie, thank you for sharing yourknowledge and passion with us here today.
And to all our listeners, if youwant to learn more about scent work

(59:13):
and how to get started, please besure to check out UK Sniffer Dogs.
If you enjoyed this episode, pleaseleave a review, share it with a fellow
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Thanks for listening andI'll see you next time.

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