TCOE! Emergency Pod! Supes and Fantastic Four with Big Patt!

Special episode with Big Patt and OC we dive in to all things MCU and DCU! With a very special announcement!! Thanks for Listening!!

Episode Transcript

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Welcome back everybody to another episode, a special
episode of the core of Entertainment on Sunday, an
emergency pod. You know the deal, you know the
scoop. Sometimes in the world of
entertainment, there are some things that happen and find
their way into the light that warrants an emergency pod.

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Thank you so much for making this platform a part of your
day. Thank you so much for making
this podcast a part of your day.To all the listeners in the
audience out there would not have a show if it wasn't for
you. So thank you so much for making
this special emergency pod episode a part of your day.
And today, as I said, is Sunday.And it is a big couple of weeks,

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a big couple of weeks in the world of movies.
As everyone knows, Superman launched the new DCU.
Lot of lot of pressure didn't have to do financially well, but
it had to do well with the audience.
And less than two weeks later, the Fantastic Four first steps

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hit theaters. Both of these films prior to
their release had massive moundsof expectations and bringing
things into the fold, whether that's starting a new universe,
taking on a family that has never really been done justice
and done right. So there is a mountain of
pressure on these shoulders between James Gunn, Matt Shakman

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and boy, oh boy, from my perspective, did they not
disappoint. But you know my opinion, we're
going to hear from somebody in aminute a very familiar,
established voice in the core ofentertainment.
He hasn't been here in a minute.And obviously, obviously, you
know who I'm talking about. There's only one man that I
choose to speak with about all things comic books, all things

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movies, video games, TV shows and the limelight of the four
colors that inspired it. And that would be 1 Big Pat.
Big Pat is back in studio. What is going on, man?
What's up man, happy to be here.That's awesome, man.
I am ecstatic. I'm ecstatic, I'm overjoyed, I'm

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excited. I think there is something on
the pulse here that both the DCUand the MCU have struck.
OK, so let's set the stage. The last time we talked about
some Marvel stuff and DC stuff, it's been a minute.
But we did talk about the pessimistic side of what to

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expect. Where are they going?
What kind of pressure are they faced with?
Yeah, Yeah, we were both, I think concerned a little bit on
edge of what was going to happen.
And it's been a big month for both franchises.
I mean, both of these, both of these movies had so much riding
on them. And I think like you kind of

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alluded to, I think they did allright.
I think they did all right is where I'm at on them.
I I know you were pretty excitedabout about them.
I'm I'm maybe a little bit less warm on them, but I think I
don't know. They definitely didn't screw it

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up, which is where I think we were both afraid of like, oh
man, if, if these stumble out ofthe blocks, it's going to be a
bad few years. And that's not what happened
here. I think both of these movies did
what they wanted to do. I think both of them had some
great, some great elements to it.
And there were a few missteps that I'm like, I could have done

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a little bit better here. So, you know, they definitely
weren't 10s, but they were. I mean, I think like 5 1/2 and a
six is where I'd put them really.
Yeah. Well, and you also have to
remember that the audience out there, this is this is what the
audience wants to hear because you, my friend, have been in
high demand. You've been in high, high demand

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of people saying, Hey, you and big Pat should, you know, really
dive into these. You and big Pat should do an
episode on this. You and I said, OK, it's coming.
Don't worry. We're waiting till both of them
are out. And he's kind of digested a
little bit. You know, I mean, it's obviously
opening weekend for Fantastic Four.
Superman is kind of washed over everybody and we've all been
kind of immersed, if you will, but we will do an episode,

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guarantee you we will do one. And this is that episode.
And for the people that are new to this platform, because every
podcast is somebody's first podcast.
You're a four Colors original. OK, I'm a four Colors original.
It's those panels, it's those words.
It's the sequential art and storytelling that these
characters have derived from, Correct?

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When we see this representation,and obviously we're midway
through the year now, a little bit more than halfway.
There's been some UPS, there's been some downs, obviously with
Marvel, and the audience knows that You're a bit of a Marvel
guy. You like both, but you lean
towards Marvel. I like both and I lean towards
DC. How do you feel starting with

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the most recent one? Let's start right off the top as
DC. Where do you think DC found
themselves this year? Because they announced some
stuff. We know Lanterns is coming, We
know Supergirl's coming, We knowPeacemaker is coming.
Where do you find yourself like on this, the heels of this new
universe? A little bit.

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Well, I, I'm going to be honest,even though I'm a Marvel guy, I
like Superman better than Fantastic Four is where I is
where I'm at. I loved crypto, crypto, Crypto,
like stole the show, you know, in all the promotional
materials. I thought he was just going to
be, you know, a little cute little side character and he'd
get a a few seconds there of, ofdragging him through the snow.

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But he was a huge part of the story.
He he and he really, he really carried some of those scenes.
And he was like the surprise star of that movie to me.
Yeah, of crypto was great. It's it's funny how James Gunn
knows how to use those little quirky unhuman like characters,

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whether it's Rocket, whether it's Rainn Wilson hitting
somebody with a wrench. You know, he knows how to use
those quirky characters that at first glance you would otherwise
not believe in any way, shape orform that he could do.
Right. And when it washes over you, how
did you feel Superman did as faras let's set the stage where

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we're going to drop you in bootson the ground.
We're going to open up a panel essentially.
And you're just in the story because they do it very, very
carefully with the opening crawl. 300 years, 30 years,
three months, 3 minutes, three hours ago.
How did how did you feel as far as like, OK, so if this is what

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we're doing, what are we doing here?
Well, I thought that did a really good job of, of setting
the stage, especially since it'ssuch an established character.
And you know, they went in saying we're not going to do
another Superman origin story. He's been Superman for a few
years. And I think they did a really
good job of, of setting the table of here's where we are,

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here's who our hero is, and here's what he's facing.
I think they did a really good job of setting all that that up.
And it got right into the action.
You know, it, it didn't really wait and there wasn't a slow
start. That was one of my gripes about
Fantastic Fours. It was a really slow start to
that movie for me. Whereas Superman just threw you

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in there. We got some action and he's, you
know, fighting Gojira here. He's beat up, man.
Like he's, he's like plummeting.Like he lost his first battle.
Yes. And it's like, holy shit, dude.
And like, he's bleeding. Yeah.
He's like. Yeah, they they humanized him
right off the bat of like, OK, he's not invincible, right?

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Which which is important since historically he's been such an
unrelatable character because hehas been pretty much invincible
and he spends a lot of this movie The exact opposite.
Yeah, I mean. Very vulnerable, yeah.
Torn, a lot of torn emotion. You know, they, they definitely

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get you into it right off the bat.
They allow you to know that thisis, hey, this universe is going.
You don't need to see the beginning of it.
If we show you some World War 2 stuff with Sergeant Rock and GI,
sure. If we see some otherworldly
stuff from the Lanterns, they'rethere too.
Oh, Hawk Girl, she's from another planet.

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Or she's the reincarnation. We'll get to it.
You know, they definitely allow the audience to be intelligent,
which I really respected. I think James Gunn is at a point
in his life and his career wherehe can legitimately say, look,
everyone knows Superman. Let's just get going.

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Let's just get going. And for me personally, watching
the movie multiple times and seeing it and really letting it
digest, I've still come down thesame.
I gave that movie, you know, it was the first film in a minute
that truly existed on its own asa as a comic book film.

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It's not an X-Men, it's not a Deadpool, It's not even an
original. Like Superman the movie.
It is truly a comic book film. Yes, yeah.
And you actually got some of those, some of those vibes of
yeah, this is a comic book movie.
This isn't taking itself as serious as Fantastic Four was.

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You know, Fantastic Four, they were like, they were like 3
chuckles. But it was a very serious movie.
You know, it wasn't trying to befunny, but those there were
those chuckle moments, whereas there was a lot more comedy
comedic elements to the Supermanfilm.
I mean the the the monkey troll farm was just hilarious and

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that's. A very Lex Luthor thing to do
well. And it's also like a very James
Gun thing to do, given his kind of social media presence in
history and back and forth and kind of the criticisms he's got.
And so you can see an element ofthat that he brought into that.
And so I mean, that got the biggest laugh out of me.

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Yeah. Was just like, oh, my goodness,
he really did that. Yeah.
And the pocket dimension of course that would be there where
it's just ex girlfriends mean people that he's been rude with.
Yes, I wanted to ask because I this has been a thought I always
ask people. This one barring Superman.
Did you watch Creature Commandos?
I did. Not yeah that.

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Is the essential like first intro into the the BCU if you
will, where the Suicide Squad? Have you seen that one?
So obviously it goes in tandem with the Suicide Squad
Peacemaker season 1 and then it goes directly into Creature
Commandos, which leads right into Superman.
So they're familiar elements. There's the animated Rick flag

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senior, obviously. So one thing that I I adored
about Superman was the fact thatthey allowed you, the audience
to say, hey, I get it. There are other heroes here.
The corporate superheroes are, which are great, that they're
sponsored by Maxwell Lord, whichwas hilarious.
And you like the monkey farm. The monkey troll farm is great.

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For me, the biggest laughs that I got were from Nathan Fillion's
amazingly portrayed Guy Gardner.Yeah.
Where they're taking a shot at his error.
Oh my. Goodness, where whether he
doesn't want to do something because the core forbids him
from doing that, which is essentially just a nice way of
saying, yeah, I don't want to dothat, you know, which is great.

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How did you feel? Because people know your voice.
They know you're you're pillaredhere.
Your biggest gripe early days was there's a lot in this movie.
There is a lot in this movie. It doesn't feel like a Superman
film now that you've seen it, now that you've watched it and
had some time to think about it.Thoughts.
I. Think they, I think they landed
it. That was one of my concerns

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going in is there's just so manycharacters here, but I think
they did a really good job of ofgiving everyone enough screen
time, but not too much screen time.
You know, you got a lot of a lotof Mr. Terrific in this, which
is a character that like most people aren't going to be
familiar familiar with. And I think I also heard

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somebody say they want somebody wanted to pursue maybe a spin
off of him doing his own thing. Yeah.
Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie Gethaggi has has said publicly.
It was in Wall Street Journal. I did a little video excerpt on
it that, you know, he they want to fast track a lot of this
stuff. They want to fast track the DCU

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and he is going to be a part of that.
He's the third smartest man, youknow, in that universe and it
shows. We had a conversation, a very
passionate conversation, off air, away from the mic, about
how it was. I don't want to say we were
yelling, but it was one of us was yelling, which was basically
like, it doesn't fucking matter because people are going to know

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who Mr. Terrific is and you'll know who he is once the film is
done. You know, because he's so fun in
the comics and in the cartoons. How they're going to take him, I
don't know, but I promise you people will know Mr. Terrific
after this film. And he is a standout part in
that movie, is he not? I mean, he is.

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He's great. Oh yeah.
After crypto, Mr. Terrific is isprobably the standout, but, you
know, other than Superman, of course, but he he was a huge
part of that. And I think they did a great job
with him, you know, going through and and saving the day
and his interaction with crypto.Like would you would you leave
my balls alone? Yeah, yeah.

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The Spheres, which is great. Go get the toy.
It was great, yes. So those were some really fun
moments. Did you think in any way, shape
or form that, oh, man, I can relate to this guy, Like,
because one of the traits that they give him, which is a very
James Gunn trait, a very four colors slash page trait, is that
he's very irritated that nobody is as smart as he is.

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Yeah. Yeah, you could really feel that
come across. He's just so frustrated.
Yes, well. And and the the garage door
scene that was also one of the one of the hit as far as as far
as the laughs of the movie, everyone loved that.
I mean, you kind of knew as it was slowly coming up.
You're like, OK, I know what jokes coming next.

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And it and it hit, though it wasstill funny.
Right. So that was.
Good. What did?
You what did you think of this established world that hey,
there's no Chicago here, there'sno LA, there's no New York.
This is Metropolis, and this is a world where metahumans exist,
so a giant Kaiju or a falling building is like a dime a dozen.

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How did you feel that resonated?Because much like Gotham,
Metropolis kind of felt like itsown futuristic piece.
It is. Its own character, you know, the
the setting is definitely its own character.
I don't think Metropolis will ever be Gotham, but obviously.
But it was, it was very, it was a comic book movie.

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You know, you felt like a comic book came to life.
And that's what I was hoping for.
It was like, I want this to be acomic book movie that we've seen
some of these Superman's movies take themselves a little bit too
seriously. So I like that he got back to
that. Like, OK, this supposed to be
fun. People are supposed to enjoy
this. This is this is not just have to
be a serious experience. We're going to leave the theater

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with a smile on our face and happy.
And and that's the that's the movie I got.
So I was happy with it and especially going into it as a a
pessimistic Marvel guy. Well, it's, it's tough because
you, you know, once again, that DC, you know, I've said this
before and I'll, I'll say it till the day that I die, you

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know, and I can say this to a fellow brother of mine that is
insteped with the comic book cultures that you're not going
to get the same Batman if there's a new writer.
You're not going to get the sameSuperman if there's a new
writer. You can see different versions
and interpretations and you can see the writing on the wall as
far as it's being painted, you know, and this is a painting of

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Superman that it's early days. He hasn't been doing it that
long. He's still a little rusty.
He's still finding his feet. And one thing that I appreciated
that, hey, maybe the Kryptoniansare kind of Dicks.
All right, Maybe That was prettywild.
I've said it before. That is great.
The Bradley Cooper, because he said that the Guardians were

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going to be in there. Some some he's going to bring
some guardians on in. And I didn't think for one
second I was like, well, Oh my God, he's Jorrell.
That is that's brilliant. Of course, of course.
Who else would be Jorrell like arecognizable piece?
And I thought that was really cool that they allowed him to be
like, hey, maybe your parents weren't who you thought they

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were, you know, right. Yeah, yeah.
That was a little, that was a little surprise to me when I
saw. I was like, oh, is that Bradley
Cooper? Yeah, yeah.
So that was the actress. The actress.
From Westworld, that I, that I, I, her name always escapes me.
I apologize, listeners, but I thought that they played it very
differently because for Man of Steel, they had the Russell

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Crowe moment where he said, well, how could they ever reject
him? He'll be a God to them.
He'll be the the the one, you know, thing in the sky and the
the centerpiece that will pull this world together, you know,
and save that world. And they took it more from the
perspective of, yeah, rule man, rule be be it, you know, God be,

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you know, take wives, take whatever you want, essentially,
you know, barring that tendency that from the film.
What was your big take away fromthe beginning of the DCU?
What was your take away as far as like the sandbox that they're
setting up? I like, I like the foundation.

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I liked all the other heroes in addition to Superman.
So I see where it has a foundation that they can build
on. You know, you got the really the
really small Alcock Supergirl tease at the end of she's the
the the drunk, immature, you know, party girl cousin that

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that shows up to get crypto, herpoorly trained puppy, you know,
so I definitely see where where they're headed with that and
that and that's that's going to be an interesting movie.
Oh, that's. Going to be great, yeah.
So woman of. Tomorrow is Tom King, Man,
that's, that's going to be great, yeah.
So I'm excited for that, which Ididn't think, I really didn't

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think I was going to be excited for any of these other projects
coming out of this, but I am, yeah.
So was. That probably was kind of a
weird, a weird take away becauseI mean that that is what the the
goal is obviously to be like, Hey, we're going to we're going
to try to get people excited forthis, yes.
Yeah, yeah. And Fantastic Four was trying to

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do the same thing and I don't think it was quite as effective,
really. Yeah, OK.
So well, let's let's let's jump from the DC side to the
Fantastic Four side real fast. But before we do, what do you
think is going to happen with Ultraman and Superman?
What do you think is what do youthink?
Do you think he he bit the dust?Do you think he's going to go to

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become Ultraman from another universe?
Do you think he's going to go Bizarro?
What do you think? Yeah, I was, yeah.
I was interested about that, about like, OK, so are we going
to do the bizarro thing? Is that going to happen here?
Is that what's going to happen in the future?
So, you know, in, in, in comic book history, no one's ever

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truly dead. They're never truly gone,
obviously. So I, I wouldn't be surprised to
see him somewhere down the line,you know, especially with, with,
you know, what's going to happento Lex.
How's he going to get out of what?
How's he going to get out of prison?
What do you think? What do you think of Nicholas
Holtz? Lex?
He was great. Wasn't he Awesome?
He was. Awesome.
It was the the whole cast. I think everyone was cast well.

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I mean, Superman what he was, I was on the fence, you know,
especially, you know, being a big Man of Steel fan.
But he he played it well. He came across as as a young, a
young Superman. So he wasn't that, you know,
very stoic, cavil Superman. Yeah.
So I think he did a good job there.

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That Lex, he was great. He was good.
Next to Rosenbaum. He was.
He was really good. I really appreciated it.
Did You Know? Rosenbaum was in this, of
course. OK, you know what Rolly did?
Yeah. He was a Raptor.
So for the people that saw the movie and didn't hear about it,
Rosenbaum, the original Lex Luthor from the Smallville
series, played one of the Raptors with and he got a

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speaking line when the the girlfriend, the vapid selfie
girlfriend was taking some selfies and he says like, Oh,
you're super dumb for this or whatever and tears her away.
That was his his role in speaking line.
So I thought that was nice that that they put gun in there and I
guess heard that gun put him in there and I guess they're good.
But he's, of course. I mean, and that's I think you

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hit it right there, which is perfect.
I don't think gun ever puts anything in those films by
accident. And I think when you're dealing
with such a steeped lore like the DCU and the DC comic books
gave, you can see any Ave. any direction that they're they're
going to take. I mean, one of my favorite

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standout performances. I love the Kents.
They were great. The Kents were awesome.
They were about the only normal people in that massive world I
thought was great. They're simple.
They're simple people. They're simple farm folks.
You know, I, I love that. I thought that was good.
Which in many iterations, you know, both parents are still
alive. Of course he needs to go get

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emotionally recharged, which I loved, but I also loved Skyler.
Skyler, that kid from Curb to the awful remake of Vacation.
He did great as Jimmy Olsen. They they're going the ladies
man route. Inexplicable ladies man, which
is pretty fun and looks, Yeah, if I close my eyes and think

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about what a live action Jimmy Olsen would look like, well,
there he is. He's he's right there, which is
pretty cool. How did you feel about Rachel?
Rachel's portrayal of Lois. I thought, I thought they did a
good job playing off of each other with their their
relationship conflict there. There's a little there's a
little bit too much of the the kissy, touchy feely stuff For me

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personally, that was one of the like, OK, that didn't quite need
to be that much there. But other than that, I mean, I
thought they played off each other really well.
They're their discord in in the early stages of a relationship.
I found it interesting that they've been together like 3
months and she already knows that he's Superman.
Or is that something that in, you know, other, other versions

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of Superman, that's something that he struggles with for a
very long time, right? She's got, she has to have some,
she has to have some moxie. She has to have some pluck.
And I, I really enjoyed it kind of starts early on with like,
oh, she's like digging into him as a reporter, which I, I
appreciated, Like it immediately, like, like it's a

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veil. And she clicks on and she's a
reporter now, which is I, I appreciated that, you know,
yeah, I think that there's, I'vesaid it before and I'll say it
again and I, I want so much morefrom this universe.
You know, I want to see what World War 2 was like with
Sergeant Rock and and GI Robot. I want to see what their blood
haven looks like, what their Star City looks like, what

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Gotham looks like. I mean, this to me is the comic
book world that the DCU should be in.
It should be colorful, but not every city should be colorful.
It should. Well, he's Superman, and of
course he should be like that. OK, well, what does that
version, this world's other heroes look like?

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Other villains look like, right?I mean, that has to be
remarkable if they're going to go that hard with Superman.
You know, we're hopefully going to see the Lazarus Pit at some
point, you know, with Raz al Ghul or Rachel al Ghul.
I'm so fascinated to see what their Batman's going to look
like now. I'm just so fascinated, like if
they did that comic book style with Superman, it's high time we

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get a comic book, comic book Batman.
I mean, that could be special, man.
That'll be great, yeah. That'll be great.
What are you looking forward to with the DCU?
Because we're getting Supergirl,Clayface, Lanterns, Peacemaker
Season 2. What are you looking forward to?

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Right now, Supergirl is probablythe one that is is the one that
I'm most excited about, OK? All right.
I don't know, Millie Alcock, youknow, I love the the Game of
Thrones stuff and I wanted more of her there.
So I'm glad to see she's gettinga big role here.
And that's an interesting character that I think she's
going to have a lot of fun with,and I think it'll play really

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well on screen, so. And Jason Momoa's in it, so my
wife will be there to see it regardless.
Yeah, that's not. Going to hurt.
All right, my friend. Well, let's go ahead and jump
over to a film that has just as high of stakes and just as high
as expectations in the FantasticFour.

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OK, so we talked early days of what's coming down the pipeline
from the good old MCU. And regardless of what you may
feel, as far as the MCU as a whole, we can all agree,
casuals, green fans, super fans,die hard fans.

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The MCU's Infinity Saga was about as close to a multiple
movie series as you can get. It's perfect.
It's almost perfect with some stumbles in there, but it's
almost perfect. The.
MCU has not always hit, it's notalways been thumbs up on all

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ends. It's been pretty divided and
demissive, whether it's The Marvels, whether it's Miss
Marvel, whether it's Doctor Strange, whether it's Daredevil,
whether we get a special presentation like Werewolf by
Night or The Guardians 3, the holiday special.

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Fantastic Four had a lot riding on it.
A lot riding on it. This is a new world of barring
Deadpool and Wolverine, obviously.
This is a new the atmosphere, soFantastic Four, you just see it.
You have the floor. I, I was excited for this movie

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and it met my mid expectations. I admit expectations for going
in and I think it did meet thoseexpectations.
Didn't knock me out of the park.Wasn't a 10, but they didn't
screw it up either. Definitely wasn't before.
So that's why I put it in like a5.5.

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I I think it could have been better.
I think there were some parts that were really slow.
There were some parts that were excellent, but I had some fun
with it. I I love the 60s aesthetic.
I loved Ben Grimm. They they hit his look.
I just wish his voice would havebeen more gravelly.
Like you have this Little Rock, this huge literal rock character

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and his voice isn't gravelly. Like, come on.
Not the Michael Jigglis. He didn't have the, he didn't,
he didn't have the, the Brooklynlike gruff gravel accent, you
know, like, hey, sweetheart, youknow, he didn't have the, the
the Bronx kind of vibe voice. Yeah, I wanted more of that, but
I sounds like cousin. Yeah, but I I liked his his

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look. I like the bearded.
I like the bearded look. I I thought that was pretty fun.
That was. Fun watch, you know, and seeing
him struggle to to shave with the angle grinder, Yeah, that,
that was fun, yeah. Of course he would have a beard
still. I mean, he's you.
Know he's still a man even if he's a giant rock, right?
Yeah. So.

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So that was fun. I love the 60s aesthetic.
I loved Herbie. Oh.
Herbie just the the tape when they take the tape deck out and
they put the space one in yeah, he's like all right, cool.
So it's the same vibe. It's it's really it's really
good. I love, I love that aesthetic
was great. Yeah, I'm.

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In like space mode and I don't know I want I want a Herbie.
You know how you know how when Star Wars came out, I think it
was Rogue One, that they had thethe ball that it was a it was a
company out of Boulder that theyactually did that, yes.
The BB8 that they did. The BB8 ball, like I want a
Herbie version of that. Oh yeah.

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That would be great. It was such a fun character
because just like all the droidsin Star Wars, you know exactly
what he's saying, you know, and you get it.
And I thought Matt Shakman, barring the talent that he
brought to Wanda Vision, like I thought he nailed a lot of the
Fantastic Four. I I'm not a guy that takes rage

(30:12):
bait off the Internet. I'm not a guy that takes voices.
I'll read it and I'll just kind of like acknowledge it.
Let it go by. I did enjoy the Fantastic Four
more than I thought I would. I really did.
I taking all the versions of theFantastic Four that we've seen.

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There definitely was something different about this one for
sure. I really like.
I mean, it's Universe 858, whichis a nod to Jack the King Kirby,
which it's about time he gets some love from this company
that's making billions of dollars off of the characters
that he created with Stan. But yeah, I, I definitely, I

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liked it. I loved the the feel.
I loved the, the look. Once again, similar to Superman,
they've been these, you know, extraordinary beings, these
heroes. For a while.
I thought Paul Walter Hauser didan amazing mole man.
I thought that was amazing like that.
There's this whole subterranean world beneath our world, which I

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thought was great, and it's PaulWalter Hauser.
I mean, come on. I mean, PWH can't do no wrong.
And I, I appreciated how they just can't stand him.
And he'll tolerate Sue. Yes, he'll tolerate.
Sue is the only one. And.
When he gave that little shot atJohnny's, when he gave him the
shot at the coat and then Ben's like, let it go.

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Just leave him. He's not worth your time.
What did you think of? Obviously the thing which is
which is amazing is, is always of the rock monster, but you
need more of the heart. I agree with you there.
You need more of the, the, the, the, the heart, the the rock
heart that beats behind that. You know, I mean, they showed
it, but I wanted more of the friendship.

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They're obviously between him and Reed, you know, which is
great. I mean, they they touched on
that pretty pretty heavily in the the previous generations of
the Fantastic Four. How did the other characters sue
Johnny and Reed? How do they wash over?
You Sue. Sue was great and she did a
really good job. I I was a little concerned with

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the, some of the marketing that that came out and they didn't,
they didn't girl boss us to death.
She's a strong character. She's always been the strongest
character. Like she's always been the one
that like, OK, if all four of them got into it, she's the one
that would beat all of them. She's she's always been the most
powerful out of the four. And so I think that was like a

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misconception of like, OK, well,we're going to, we're going to
bring Sue out of the kitchen. It's like Sue was never in the
kitchen. Like she she is a mother, but
she's she's been a strong contributing, you know, a member
of the of the group since the very beginning, right, You know,
so I don't like she's never. Been sidelined?

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Yeah, I don't. Like that narrative of like, OK,
well, that's the part of the marketing I didn't like.
Of like, we're bringing Sue out of the kitchen.
It's like she wasn't in the kitchen well.
Obviously you guys have never read a Fantastic Four comic
then, because you know that all four of them have a place.
Yeah. They're, they're, I mean,
they're the true original team, Yeah.

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And she wasn't, she was never back seat to anyone in any of
the comics that, you know, any, any of the Fantastic Four stuff
I've ever read. You know, So that was so she was
great in the movie. She has stunning eyes.
Like I couldn't stop looking at her eyes.
Like, wow. Yeah, just.
Stunning eyes. Yeah.
And Vanessa, when they announcedit, you know that Vanessa Kirby

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was going to play. Yes.
Going to play a Sue. My first thought was, OK, I'm OK
with that, That's that's a good pick.
It's not the cast I would have picked.
What the fuck do I know? Just like Reed, which I Mr.
Fantastic, is a tough role to play.
You had Miles Teller, you had Ian.
Ian, I think is his name from the 2000s.

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It's tough because he is the smartest man, you know, and he's
got the long chalkboard. He's got the equation.
He thinks kind of on a grid. He thinks kind of in formulaic
and patterns and some of his best moments, aside from like
the stretching, which is pretty cool.
I thought they nailed the stretching, by the way, which is
pretty cool. Yeah, the physics was good.

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That's one of those. Words like OK, it's hard to get
that right, but the physics looks good on screen.
All the CGI looked good. Yeah.
How did you? Feel they they sold his
intelligence to the audience, I mean.
He is like one of the smartest characters in the universe.
And so that definitely did come across, but they did a good job

(34:50):
of humanizing him of like, I don't have all the answers
against like, the most omnipotent force in the
universe. Like, I don't know.
Yeah. I don't know.
Like these are, you know, we're going to use our kid as bait.
That's a bad idea and I know it.But, you know, I can't, I can't
think my way out of this one, you know.

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So I think they did a good job there of humanizing him.
And just like, OK, I don't have all the answers.
I have a lot of the answers, butI don't have all of them.
So that was good. How did you feel, Pedro?
Mr. Pascal did as as Reed. I think he did good.
I was. Happy with the, the, the hair,
you know, the grey, the grey sideburn streaks, those look

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great. I think he did a good job.
I think a lot of people have been giving him way too much
Flack on the Internet. Some stuff I've read, they've
been going hard at him and I'm like, after I watched the movie.
I'm like I. Like, it's not perfect, but I
mean, I don't think any of the other Fantastic Fours have ever
done better. I mean, not all the other

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Fantastic Four iterations. This is the best.
It is the best. Oh, without a doubt.
Bar none, this is. This is the best representation
of the Fantastic Four. Yes, yeah, this is this is the
king of all the fantastic. 4 movies.
So that was good. I mean the bar was low but right
it's good. They they they finally did them
justice is the family thing is how I left the theatre of like,

(36:14):
OK, I finally got a decent Fantastic Four movie before I
die, so I was happy with that. Did you enjoy that they're?
All very smart because I love that.
And we're going to get to Johnnyhere in a minute, but I love
that they're all smart and competent and they all are a
family. There's not a lot of bickering,

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there's not a lot of sidestepping, sidelining one
another. And we can get to Johnny right
now, which is I love that they made him competent.
Yeah. That he's just.
As he's. Not as smart, but he is still
working equations. He's still formula, breaking

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down voices, breaking down dialogue.
He's trying to crack another language that he's never heard
before. And he's doing it right.
I mean, I, I really enjoyed that.
I'm like, oh, wow. Like, so this is this is true,
true Human Torch energy here where he's like, of course he'd
be part of that family. Well, why does he get to go to
space? Well, how come he's like, you

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know, because another Chris Evans rendition was like, oh,
he's kind of the, the, the thirdwheel, as it were.
Well, yeah, he was yeah. Out of.
The four he was always kind of the I mean, obviously the hot
head, hot head ladies man, annoying little brother and
there were still elements to that.
Of course, of you know, he had my brother single and, you know,

(37:37):
kind of kind of those quips, butthat wasn't his core character.
No, which I was nervous about going in of like he is the high
head ladies man. That's what he does, right.
But the direction they took him was excellent of like, yeah,
he's he's not as smart as the smartest man on the planet or
one of the smartest man in the, you know, Marvel Universe.

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But here I'm, I'm taking this part and yeah, I'm going to
figure out the language and I'm going to break this down.
And nobody else seems to care about this, but I'm going to
break it down in my room while everyone else is worried about
other stuff. And that was great.
That added a, a nice element to his character.
Yeah, he's still a part of this.Yes, this team, yes, and he may

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be the quickest, he may be the fastest, but he still can lend
his intellect to helping and theplan that still allows
everything to be can be constructed in the way that it
it's meant to. I the idea behind this is the

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family now that hopefully will be the flagship because we have
already known that Secret Wars will be kind of a soft reboot
for the MCU. That's been said by Kevin Feige
and a few other bigwigs over at Marvel that this is going to be
the soft reboot, soft continuation where we're going

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to focus more on the Fantastic Four.
We're going to focus more on theX-Men.
We're going to focus more on theWest Coast Avengers or the new
Avengers. I personally going forward
midnight Suns, I just want to see the midnight Suns.
I want to see ghost Rider, bladedoctor voodoo werewolf by night,

(39:26):
moon night, like there's that element is so cool.
Blade. You know they still can't crack
that Blade film, which is such abummer because looks like it's
not going to happen you. You crush it.
Well, you know, that's where most of the Sinner stuff.
Came from oh, absolutely all. Those wardrobe and stuff, yeah.
And you know, makes sense. It makes perfect sense.

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But heartbreaking. It is heartbreaking.
Because I. Haven't.
It's right there. I mean, you've got.
You got Wesley Snipe, Wesley Snipes and handing it down to
the next generation son of late,you know it's so.
Easy. I know it's it's right there.
You know, Wesley would do the movie.

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Oh my God, he does, Ryan. Reynolds have to put.
Everything together around here.Well, he was he.
Was the best part. I've maintained this for a year
now. It's about a year, right?
Yeah. It's been about a year since
Deadpool and Wolverine came out.And he was the best part of that
film for me anyways. For me, he was like, he looks
great. He's got the Gray, He's got the

(40:29):
charisma he's got. I mean Wesley is, he will
forever be Blade to me. Yes, that was the demo for.
I've still got this. Let's do this movie.
So how is this not happening? Yeah.
Crazy. So I think as far as Marvel is
concerned, before we jump to thebigger picture of Marvel here

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and get into a discussion, I didwant to mention that I loved
Ralph's Galactus. That was one of the coolest
iterations of a very tough, hard, hard, rock hard character,

(41:11):
no pun intended to get right. And I thought Ralph's speaking
was great. The makeup was great, the
practicality was great. That truly looks when those when
the eyes come on. I mean, it's like, wow, they
really did it. And that's the parts that I love
that felt otherworldly. Like when he's hooked up to the

(41:34):
machine, then he sits up and then he just, I, I really like
that a lot. I thought Galactus was one of
the coolest, and it's probably because he wasn't a fucking
cloud, you know, which is great.Yeah, it was.
I thought that was awesome. What do you think of Galactus?
They, they nailed him. That was one of.
The that was one of the parts that I was really nervous about

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when when they announced that hewas going to be the big baddie
for this of like, OK, we're jumping straight into Galactus.
That's going to be a hard character.
And I think they nailed it. The, you know, going through
the, the near lightspeed to, to go see him, the the ship getting
the feel for, you know, here's here's how I eat worlds.

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You know, it was right on point of like it did a great job of
showing that to to the audience of like, OK, I really do eat
planets, process them, you know,and so that was cool.
They know that character. I think they showed too much in
the previews. You know, you saw him stepping
through New York, so you knew the whole time that he was going

(42:38):
to make it to Earth. He knew he was going to make it
to New York. I was disappointed that that
that part of the movie was ruined in in the marketing so
much the movie was put into the.Marketing there was, yeah, there
was a lot. I mean.
Almost all the important. Stuff, I mean, because the
first, the first half of the movie is like Franklin Prep,

(43:00):
which is like Franklin is a hugecenterpiece part of the movie,
but it wasn't the most exciting part of the movie.
They showed all the exciting parts of the movie in the
previews. Yeah.
So that that was the part that disappointed me was that so much
was spoiled in the marketing because there wasn't a whole lot
left, right. Well, we talked about.

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This the last time we broke downthe Marvel, the Marvel stuff
that this is, it kind of this isthe this is kind of the next big
thing that sets the stage for what's going to come.
And this is pretty late in the game that you introduce not one,
not 2, but 567 new characters. You introduce Sha Labal as the

(43:45):
Silver Surfer, you introduce Galactus, you introduce a killer
mid credits scene, probably one of my favorite mid credits
scenes that I've seen in a very long time.
Very big reveal for what's to come.
And then you introduce not one but 4 central characters to
Marvel. So there was a lot riding on it
and I could definitely tell the marketing like you guys are

(44:05):
really, really kind of nervous on how this is going to be
taken, how this is going to be seen.
You get special previews, special looks, sneak peeks,
trailer, 1 trailer, 2 final trailer, sneak preview, a
special clip, first look. You know, you get all this
stuff. I'm like, OK, I get it.

(44:26):
I get it. You guys are nervous, You guys
are worried. People haven't been receptive to
the MCU other than Deadpool and Wolverine.
OK, let's just see the movie now.
Yeah, Well, and I. Am concerned about about how it
is going to the, if the audienceis going to show up for this.
I went to the Friday like 545 show or whatever.

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And I mean, granted that's not the, you know, 637 prime time,
but that's still it's Friday night movies.
And it was like 1/3 full and it was not one of the huge
theaters. It was, you know, I was in a
smaller theater and it was like 1/3 full.
It was not packed. And I went to go see Superman on

(45:09):
Saturday. So it's been out an entire week,
and it was in the bigger theaterand it was more crowded.
Oh yeah. So the word of.
Mouth is carrying on both of these films too, in this,
particularly Superman. It's, it's Superman, you know,
and there's not a lot to be I. Want to say there's not a lot to

(45:33):
be? Expected.
But I will say it, we have come to expect that these movies are
sellouts and big hits. And I know that the Fantastic
Four is tracking well for an MCUfilm and hopefully that it does
have legs and people see it. And hopefully Superman made its
money back in the first weekend,you know, and that comes from

(45:56):
experience. That comes from a tight script,
a proper schedule. We know what we're doing, we
know what we're riding on. Let's just do this right.
Or is the Fantastic Four in Marvel?
I believe that. I don't know what had more
riding on it. I think that there's a fair
amount of pressure on both studios.
I think there's a fair amount ofpressure on both properties to

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like introduce a new a new universe and introduce a movie
that furthers the universe. I thought both did a very good
job. They accomplished the job that
they set out to do. I really liked Franklin a lot.
I thought that that element of like, OK, well he's not.
They're not calling him a mutant.

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But for all the comic book fans listening and the original 4
color fans out, there he is. Valerian, Valerian.
And Franklin are both two of themost powerful characters which
we've seen through the pages. Like there's a amazing, you
know, the page I'm talking aboutthat splash page where he's got

(46:59):
Galactus, basically, he's basically made Galactus his
bitch essentially. And it's such a cool piece.
And I'd like that a lot about how Galactus is like, oh, you're
the one that can end all this, you know.
And of course, we we see a little bit of his, his ability,
you know, with, with Sue, spoiler alert, which I thought

(47:21):
that was pretty wild. Like, once again, Herbie, like
he's going to do something to protect this kid.
I thought that was adorable. How he just wants his hand.
Yeah, like, you're not going to get it.
Like, OK, you got to love the little robot.
He doesn't stand a chance. But he's he's it's noble.
He's trying his best. Just great.
So let's talk about before we get into what we're what we're

(47:44):
expecting from both universes, let's talk about that killer.
Killer post. Credit.
Scene the first one, not the second one, but the first mid
credit scenes. Full spoilers ahead for
Fantastic Four. If you haven't seen it yet or
you don't care, strap in. Spoilers ahead.

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Full spoilers ahead. You ready?
All right, here we go. So Franklin resurrects Sue, he
resurrects Sue who sadly perishes, which I thought was a
great scene for her. Like it really put forward like
the mother instinct of like I amnot going to yeah, my husband

(48:26):
couldn't do this, but I am goingto fucking I am not going to be
stopped giving it all for my child and.
That was great, I I thought. That was great.
And even Reed was like, don't you can't do this.
And she was just like, I don't care.
And then it was really cool thatshe was just given everything
she had to take down Galactus. And then, of course, once again,

(48:49):
you had, you know, Johnny doing his thing.
You had Ben doing his thing, youhad Reid doing his thing.
It was great. I thought that was such a cool
thing with they're all working in tandem.
And I I thought for a hot secondthere, no pun intended, I
thought Johnny was going to biteit like, oh crap, is that what
he's going to be? He's going to disappear.
And they were going to try to find him.

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And and true, you know, Fantastic Four style, one of
them always goes awry or goes missing.
You know, what did you think of that that like lead up to that
post credits scene? Well, I like the.
I like that they. Showed that Johnny was willing
to sacrifice it all, you know, after sue, you know does, but
he's willing to sacrifice it alland then Sha Labal comes comes

(49:32):
out of left field there and kindof takes that off his plate.
But I thought that was going to go a different way.
Me too, I mean. I liked it though.
It was good. But I I think.
I don't know, I thought the setup for the next movie was
going to be Galactus goes through the portal with
Franklin. OK.

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And that's how they set up the next.
Movie of like, OK, we've got to go get Franklin now.
So I thought that's where that was headed and they kind of took
that off the plate. So it's like, OK, well, I guess
Galactus is gone for now. Not ever, not always forever
gone, but gone for now. So so that was interesting.

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I also, you know, ways I would have improved the movie.
You know, they were, they were doing the Franklin there's bait
and then they threw in, you know, they swapped him out.
I wanted them to put Herbie in the other one, like, because it
was just like an empty. It was an empty little baby
carriage. Like I wanted them to put Herbie
in theirs, like, sorry, Herbie. And like Herbie would have been

(50:35):
sad about it or something. But he's like, I understand.
And that would have been cute ifthey put him in there.
So I wanted something like that.I think that would have been
better than just an empty carriage, and that could have
done something for Herbie. So those are a couple things
that I would have maybe changed about the movie that would help
set it up. It ended differently.
I'll eat some. Crow right now the last time we
talked about this, I thought that they were going to tank it

(50:57):
and they would have to come to our world.
That's what the ending of Thunderbolts was.
You know, I'll eat some crow on that.
I predicted something that was wrong and I figured wow.
I wonder if they do like lose this because for all the comic
book fans out there, Galactus is1 and done.
There's multiple versions of multiple characters across all
planets and multiverse characters.

(51:18):
There's always one Galactus, which I think is pretty cool.
There's just one which I really appreciated, which obviously he
is going to come back and who knows where that post credits
scene in Thunderbolts leads because it's obviously the same
ship. It's obviously their ship,
whether they're coming to our world or, or what have you.
I think they got some stuff in store that relates to that
second post credit scene or the 1st post credit scene, which I

(51:43):
really, really liked. I found myself forgetting that,
you know, 321 that Doctor Doom was even in this world, right?
I totally spaced. It I.
I saw the Latveria at the very beginning.
I was like, oh, you. See.
Yeah. I was like, oh, this mother
fucker. And then I got swept away in the
film. I totally forgot about it.

(52:03):
OK. Easy to do.
Yeah, it is. And then at the very end, I was
like, what are they doing here? What are they going to do?
Is she going to be pregnant again?
And OK, maybe it's it's the it'sthe sister.
And then you feel that weird, like energy, that weird rift
that you know, and you're like. What the hell is this?

(52:23):
What are they doing? And then you see the green cloak
and you see the helmet and you see he's got the face mask in
his left. Hand yeah, I mean they obviously
I mean they obviously didn't show his face so they didn't
have to pay Robert Downey Juniorfor this movie.
So so they were saving a little bit bit of money there.

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I think, as I told you last time, I, I don't want to see
Robert Downer, Robert Downey Junior's face.
And because for those of you that don't see that don't watch
the comic, that haven't read thecomics, is that Doctor Doom in
various iterations has some kindof disormity with his face that
he's it can be everything from like a minor scar up to his

(53:10):
entire face. They've had different versions
of him. And so you can see that one of
his things is he's very pridefuland he doesn't let anyone see
his face. But immediately here at the end
of this post credit scene, he's taken off his mask and he's
showing his face to Franklin, which.
Was interesting to me. Which I wanted a version of Doom

(53:33):
where that mask is sealed to hisface because there's version
where he he has the the mask forged and he's so eager to put
it on when it it's still hot andit like melts and burns to his
face. And so that's the version that I
wanted. Even if you're going to have
Robert Downey Junior play this character, I don't want to

(53:53):
actually see Robert Downey Junior.
I just want the character. And so already taking his mask
off, that's probably not what I'm going to get.
So I was a little disappointed with that, right.
Do you think that? There's any more high hopes for
bringing RDJ back? You know, he started, he kicked

(54:15):
off this whole thing and now we're going to get him back in
this world because he's obviously from their planet 5/8
or their universe. He's.
Not interested in a whole lot. You know, for all you comic book
fans out there, you know, he, hewants to rule the world.
He's really interested in Latveria.
That's where he rules and he rules with an iron fist.

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What do you think? What do you think, 'cause now
we're getting Doomsday. Doomsday is the next massive 1,
the next big one, the next the one that everybody is waiting to
see. They did that awful, so dumb
reveal of all the chairs and they gave the cast of for
everybody who doesn't know what I'm talking about, you can go

(54:58):
online right now. If you're driving, wait till you
get where you're going. Make sure you have some time
because the reveal is chair by chair by chair for Doomsday.
And they're basically bringing everybody back.
They're bringing some of the OG X-Men back.
They're bringing the Thunderbolts, They're bringing
some of the original Avengers back.

(55:19):
They're bringing everybody in. And Doomsday, Doomsday is
coming. This is the next big one, the
next big one that Marvel is banking on.
And. We'll, we'll see what happens, I
think. We got to, I think we've based
on what we got here, I think we got to give him a little bit of

(55:39):
a longer leash of, you know, I was this might be too much too
soon and you know that that's the vibe we had.
But they pulled off Galactus. They pulled off this movie.
By the way, the fantastic car was great.
That was a lot of fun. That was another part of the
movie that I liked. That was so cool, wasn't it?
Yeah. The.
Fantastic car was great. They really pulled that off.
That's a tough thing to do, yes.That's a very.

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Tough thing to do. And most people don't really
understand, like how difficult it is to make a.
Futuristic. Car plausible, but it worked.
But worked that was great man. I had fun.
I had a blast with it. I think that I think that doom

(56:25):
barring. Everything that we've seen.
Up until this point and it's like, OK, there's some.
Big shoes to fill. Thanos with some with some
massive shoes to fill for this big, you know, villain if you
will. Thunderbolts set it up
perfectly. I think Thunderbolts did a
decent job of of bringing us into furthering our world.

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And you got the century, you got, you know, all the
characters ready to go. And now you have the Fantastic
Four. And we're going to, I assume
we're going to acknowledge, you know, the world that the X-Men
are from, You know, whether that's, you know, Alan Cumming
or Rebecca Romaine, Sir Ian McKellen, which let's just stop
there for a second. The fact that they're bringing

(57:08):
back the OG X-Men? Good.
Mystique's coming back, baby. Oh, come on, man.
It's it's going to. Be great.
I can't wait. That's going to be fun.
I'm. Excited for that.
Yeah, I'm so excited. For that, I can't wait.
I'm so dude, when those chairs did revealed that James Mars and
Patrick Stewart, I'm like, oh, OK, all right, yeah, yeah, I'm

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here. I'm here for this one.
This could work. This could work.
Now you guys got that universe ready to go.
Man, I just can't wait. I'm so excited because X-Men 2,
for all your older fans out there, myself and big Pat here,
that was probably one of the best X-Men, you know, films out
there. Would you agree that X2 was

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like, oh, yeah. That was like peak.
Oh yeah. Easily.
That is awesome. SO before we jump to wind this
thing down, we definitely wantedto spend some time just kind of
talking about the direction to go in for both of these films
and the direction for the MCU inparticular.
You know, we don't really have alot of big, big notable ones

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coming down the pipeline. We got Wonder Man, that's going
to be a series. We had Iron Heart that was kind
of met with mixed reviews and lukewarm, you know, response.
It wasn't for everybody. There's one redeeming quality in
it for me, which was Mephisto, which I was like, wow, they're
they're going Mephisto now. Like, they're just, it feels a
lot like they're just throwing stuff at the walls and kind of

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seeing what sticks a little bit.And I think Mephisto, it's like,
OK, if we're going to do Mephisto, you might as well do
them right. Yeah.
I think Borat was a pretty wild pick.
Jack, Sasha, Baron Cohen. Oh.
Man, that was not on my 2025 bingo card.
Yeah, it was. That was wild.
What? Do you think?
What do you think? What do you think of that?
I mean, it's interesting. Mephisto is an extremely cool

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character in in the comics. He doesn't get like a ton of
run, but when he shows up, it's cool.
You know, he's like the, you know, the underworld dad, of
course, but he's man. I just, I just did not see Sasha
Baron Cohen. And now he's like on the cover
of like Men's Health. Yeah.
Act like shredded. I'm like, Oh my God.

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He's the guy that was rocking the green beyond G string for
like, yeah, he's got that divorce that.
Divorce spot. Yeah, like, all right, well, now
I'm going to go go go get that Marvel.
Go get that Marvel money. Who knows, Like 15 years, yeah.
So who knows, maybe we'll see him in you.
Know some doomsday secret secretwars?

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Who knows That's. What are your thoughts on the
X-Men coming in? I mean, I'm assuming you read
that news that they're going to try to give like a soft little
reboot to the whole MCU. Yeah.
What do you think of that? I mean, I think it's.
I think that's where it was headed.
I think the, you know, it's kindof running out of steam.

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And so, yeah, I mean, you know, everyone's getting older,
everyone's got different schedules and.
Just the reality of the businessof you got to let some of these
characters go and and start over, you know, and I mean it,
it happens in the comics too, you know, I mean, how many how
many runs of of the exact same Spider man story have we gotten

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now? You know, so it's just the way
it was always headed. But I think we had a good run
and based on this. Fantastic Four Movie I.
Think we got to I think I'm going to give it more of a
chance than I was. Oh, me too, for sure.
I'm a lot less pessimistic for both, for both studios for both
properties coming out of this month.

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They they both they both didn't mess it up.
So and there, like I said before, there's a lot.
Riding on both and aside from a lot riding on both, they they
definitely set this, they set the stage in the table for
what's to come. And you know, we still got
Spider man. I mean, they're working on that
which they want more of a grounded level piece, which I

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think is awesome. We're getting the the Punisher
one shot like special presentation, which on
Berenthal, it's just going to begreat.
I'm still holding out for WonderMan, which we've talked at
length before. I mean, I think Wonder Man was a
missed opportunity with like theheight of Zemo, you know, and
Falcon and Winter Soldier for sure.

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I think that that was your moment in the sun to bring in
Wonder Man and to introduce the West Coast Avengers and Daniel
Bruholm. Bruholm I think is his name.
He did a great Baron's emo and he's I mean, that's another
character that's like, OK, we'regiving him full purple mask,

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gloves, coat, everything. And I just feel like it was kind
of a missed opportunity. Like, OK, you're throwing stuff
in at the wall and seeing what sticks.
Just throw a little Wonder Man thing in there.
And then when the series comes out, you can be like, oh, OK,
this is a call back to that. But who knows?
I mean, I love Simon Williams, Ilove that character, the classic

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Christmas color uniform, which is which is fun.
And there's a lot. There's definitely a lot there
to enjoy. There's definitely a lot there
to like. And it's fascinating to me the
anomaly that is James Gunn helping build the MCU to the
outer realm. Of the space.

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Vibe right and helping let's piece this here let's put this
here let's do this here let's dothat here now he's not there now
he's the head honcho at at DC, which is its own studio, which I
also really appreciate it for Superman 2, which was it's there
is no Warner Brothers logo. It was DC.

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It was Superman breaking the chains which I appreciated and
now he saw what worked with marvel he saw what didn't work
with Marvel and now he's in charge of the studio next to
Kevin Feige. I think that's one of the best
people to to run the show and run the and steer the ship, if
you will. So it's fascinating.

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To me. That Marvel still kind of is
doing the same thing that they've they've always done like
let's do a little post credit here.
Let's let's put this here, let'sput this here, let's put that
there. And then on the other side, you
have James Gunn, who is like we.Will go forward when these.
Projects are ready and we're going to take our time.
Nothing will ever be put into production until there's a

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script, until there is somethingattached before we progress,
before we go forward. How do you feel about that?
That James Gunn that kind of helped build an add on to this
house that is the MCU Now he's over at DCI Mean it's fine with
me. I mean.

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The Guardians of the Galaxies, Iknow you're going to probably
not like this, but the Guardiansof the Galaxy movies were good.
But the best part of those movies was the soundtracks.
Like if you give those movies like trash soundtracks, those
movies are like. 50% of of how? Much hype they get yeah, I, I

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think yeah, the, the soundtracksof like the best soundtracks of
like any movies ever, just all those 80s bangers.
It's just like, OK, you got every single good song from the
from the 80s and put these in here, which is right up our
wheelhouse because that's the the music we grew up with.
So I think we definitely eat that up.
But see, I maintain that Guardians 3.

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Was probably one of the best, one of the best Marvel films
that had come out just based purely on that.
It's not by the numbers anymore,but there's a new Guardians team
now, which I appreciated. And to your point that everybody
kind of has to move on. Everybody has to retire or go in
there to go their own way, as itwere.

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So I like that James Gunn is over there and he knows what
he's doing. And if Superman's any evidence
to like, well, this is my movie that I'm directing.
Well, what does another director's film look like to
come along? Give their own flavour, put
their own seasoning on it, give their own little perspective,
you know, it was really special for sure.
I I just would like to see. I would just like to see him

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step back on the marketing of A.Like the, the, the.
Beginning of the Superman marketing was like James Gunn by
James Gunn and James Gunn's universe by Superman.
James Gunn's James Gunn. James Gunn.
It's just like, dude, show, we know who you are like, but
you're you're like the director.You're not Superman.
Like I'm not showing up to a Superman for Superman film for

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James Gunn. I don't think James Gunn draw is
that big. Like he's he's popular, don't
get me wrong, but it's not like,dude, you're not Spielberg yet.
Like you're not Nolan. Like chill.
Yeah, So I like it, man. I like it.
I'm I'm excited for both. I think we both have grown a
little bit since the marketing for both of these films to the

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aftermath of both these films. And I think we're both on the
same page for both of it. I think we're excited for both.
What what's to come down the pipeline?
Yeah, yeah, it's been good. Been.
A good month. Oh yeah, for sure.
You have anything else you want to say about other other
properties before we wrap this thing up?
No, I I mean. I mean, that's pretty much it

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for Marvel, for me, for this year.
I mean, I know you're looking forward to to Wonder Man.
I think the only other project is the Wakanda cartoon Eyes.
Wakanda, you know? Which you know.
I'm probably not the audience for that, so we'll see.
I'll give Wonder, I'll definitely give Wonder Man a
shot. But as far as the movies go, 2
out of three this year, I mean Thunderbolts, it didn't perform

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money wise, but it was a great film.
And I mean, if you if you held agun to my head and you said, OK,
which movie do you have to out of these out of the comic book
kind of movies, do you have to go back and see this year?
If I only have one of them, it'sThunderbolts.
OK, I like it. I like it.
I would pick Fantastic Four, butI like that.

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I like that we're on that same level of like out of these
three, pick, pick the one that you like and you'd see again.
I I'd go Fantastic Four and I'd like that you would go
Thunderbolts. Thunderbolts was just so much
fun. Yeah.
Oh, it did. Maybe it's just the mood.
Maybe it's just the mood I'm in.Like, man, I need some fun in my
life, right. And Thunderbolts was it.
Oh, Thunderbolts was. It's.

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Set it it's. Set the.
Stage in a different light for the MCU and some of these other
heroes, which I think is great and I would agree I I came away
from this year and we will do a a wrap up on the MCU and and DCU
at the end of this year. So please stay tuned for that.
And that leads me into the next final segment of the show with

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Big Pat. I wanted to take some time here
to kind of let the audience knowsome big changes that are
happening at the core of Entertainment.
So as I said before, this is an emergency pod.
It's not going to be listed. It's not going to be numbered.
Episodes are locked. Episodes are in the queue ready

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to go. Barring Season 1 of the Core of
Entertainment, season one will wind down in the beginning of
September. It will wind down, I believe it
is the second week of September that will wrap up season 1 of

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the Core of Entertainment. And before we get there, I know
we're about a little bit more than a month away from there,
but today, not only is it a special day for an emergency
pod, but I wanted to have Big Pat here and for all of you, the
listeners, to kind of hear it from the horse's mouth before
the official announcements. Still very early days, but big

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plans for Season 2, big plans for Season 2.
Big Pat and myself have something in the works, which is
it's going to be pretty special.It's going to be pretty fun.
High hopes, a lot of enthusiasm and not ready to announce

(01:09:36):
anything yet. Stay tuned for the second week
in September for a major announcement as far as Season 2
of the Court of Entertainment and where we're going and what
we're doing. A lot of things happening behind
the scenes. And for everyone out there who

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listens to Big Pat and myself, you know that we have a good
rapport. And you said something pretty
wise, which you've always said even prior to this whole
endeavor is it's authentic. It's authentic.
You and me, your PlayStation guy, Xbox guy, Elysium guy,

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Chappie guy, you know, DC guy, Marvel guy, it's authentic, you
know, and the people have spoken.
They like that. They like that a lot, you know,
and yeah, I, I'm very excited toshare with all of you what we

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have have got cooking. And I, I hope that you can smell
what's cooking in the kitchen because it's going to be a lot
of fun and it's going to be a little bit more streamlined, a
little bit more streamlined. And yeah, do you want to, you
want to shed any light on, on some stuff that you're looking
forward to? I mean, we don't want to give
too, too much away, but how you feeling about going forward

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being a more intricate part of the core of entertainment?
I'm excited. There's a lot more to.
Come, we're we're cooking. I don't want to give it all
away, but we're cooking, boys. I'll be back soon.
It'll be great. That's.
Awesome. Yeah, as, as from Big Pat's
mouth to to your ears, it's, we're working on some stuff and

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it's going to be special. It's going to be fun.
And yeah, we, we, we got, we gota streamlined narrative here of
what's coming soon, very, very soon.
Announcements will be made in September at the direction that
we are Big Pat and myself are headed in.
So please stay tuned for that. And I want to thank all of you

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for listening. I want to thank all of you for
making this platform and pod a part of your day special
emergency pod. And I want to thank big Pat for
being here. It's it's been a lot of fun as
always and much more to come. Much more.
That's awesome. So for everybody else out there,
thank you so much for making this platform a part of your day

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and making this podcast a part of your day.
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What do you think? What do you think of both of
these powerhouse films that are set in the stages for their
respected studios? Fantastic Four first steps and

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Superman for the DCU and the MCU.
What did you think? What do you feel about it and
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They are streamlined. That will go directly into the
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Keep your ears to the ground. Keep your eyes peeled for any
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this has been big Pat and this has been OC talking about the
Fantastic Four and Superman, where we've been, where we're
going, a lot of good stuff to look forward to.
Thank you so much for listening and I'll talk to you all next
week. Peace.