TCOE!#85 OC & The Renaissance Man talk Superman

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Welcome back everybody, to a special episode of the Core of
Entertainment released today, Friday.
It is one week since Superman, the brand new film in the
beginning stages of the DCU, James Gunn and Peter Safran's
new universe. This is a separate film for

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everyone out there who's seen the film.
They don't even open with the Warner Brothers logo.
It is soups. Classic soups.
Golden Age soups break in the chains to a beautiful DC logo
now. Full spoilers ahead.
Full spoilers ahead for anybody out there who has seen the film.
If you don't care, or if you're haven't seen the film, go back

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and watch the film. Check out the little Easter eggs
and then come on back and give this a listen.
But I am joined by one the Renaissance man.
How are you boss? It's good to be here again.
Thanks. It's going to be great.
So people have listened to the previous episode that you had
done. We know the lore, we know the
stories, we know the characters.We we smell what James going to

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step in? Yes, we do.
OK, so I'm going to go ahead andturn it to you.
I'm going to turn it to you giveyour general thoughts on the
film. Some of the notes that we did
get back previously was our loreis is pretty extensive.
So we were kind of to the left, to the right and the north and
the South and the east. We are going to streamline this.
This is going to be exclusively Superman, Superman 2025 been out

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for a week. Please come along with us.
So, Renaissance thoughts? You know, I let me begin by
saying that I, I very much enjoyed the film.
I very much liked it. I thought he captured the
essence of the character really well.
It was, I was expecting this hero's journey, right?

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We're going to see him at the bottom and then he builds up and
then there's the fall and then there's the rising, you know,
and he, he conquers everything. And we did get that in a sense,
but it began with him at like his lowest, right?
It opens with him just getting rocked.
And then it's so it starts with him kind of as an underdog going

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in, which we haven't had for a really long time.
Not since like Superman 2, the old school Christopher Reeve,
Superman 2, did we ever think that, wow, this guy's gonna get
destroyed for this whole movie? Like he can't overcome this.
So I thought that was a really cool direction or place to start
from the film. I enjoy the addition of the

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Justice Gang. Nathan Fillion almost stole the
show for me. Like he is so good as Guy
Gardner and he's one of my favorite actors so I knew I
would enjoy his interpretation. But I think he was a great
gardener. Mr. Terrific was awesome.
My favorite part was at the veryend with Mr. Terrific because

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Corn Sweat had this golly Gee, old school, like true blue Boy
Scout, whatever you want to callit, Superman.
He was just like, oh gosh, Lois,I didn't mean to upset you.
And you know, so they're lookingat the building after it's all
done and they're putting it backtogether.
And he's like, I don't Mr. Terrific, Does this look not
quite right to you? You know, and Triff is like, I

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just spent the whole day puttingthis stuff back together and
you're going to criticize me over this?
And and he's just standing therelike, well, gosh, Mr. Terrific,
I'm really sorry. I didn't feel like it was just
so human and genuine and we had,we had lost some of that.
And not to say that I didn't enjoy Henry Cavill's performance
and portrayal because I very much did.
But we lost that sort of that joyful, that innocence that

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Superman still kind of has 'cause he sees the entire world
through rose colored glasses, nomatter how bad it gets, that's
he just has this positive attitude.
He's a glass out full guy and hewas the entire movie, even at
his lowest, so I think they captured the essence of that
really, really well. I would agree.
I honestly, for me, barring the criticisms, barring the love,

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barring the ups and downs of everything that that movie had
to offer for me, I gave it a solid 9 out of 10.
I gave it a solid 9 out of 10. I stand by it.
I still stand by it. Creative liberties with some of
the characters, some of their origin stories, some of the
choices, shall we say. However, as a comic book fan,

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Frank Miller's Superman is goingto be different from Scott
Snyder's Superman. Jerry and Joel's version are
going to be different from a Neil Adams or a Perez or what
have you. So as a comic book fan, I can
appreciate all different renditions and understand what
they're trying to convey. This film, however, for me

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conclusively, and I said it in my out of theater review, this
is one-of-a-kind. This is a true one-of-a-kind
comic book, comic booky comic book film.
All three. It is not your Man of Steel, it
is not X-Men, it is not Daredevil, it is not Spider Man.
It's none of those. This stands on its own, kind of

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on an island of a new version ofcinema.
It's brightly colored. It is infectious.
It feels otherworldly but yet grounded.
There is no Chicago. There is no New York.
This is 110% metropolis and understanding that the first

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meta humans have been here for acouple 100 years.
Yes, I enjoyed that. Beautiful.
And you're blinking. You miss it.
Exactly. You're like, oh, OK, it it does
a good job with the world building right out of the gate.
So like I do a lot of theater and drama and all this kind of
stuff and see a lot of these conceptual performances, right.

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That was in air quotes like, andif I'm not captured by the world
of something right away, I'm spending so much time as an
audience member trying to figureout what it all means.
Why is this character dressed like that?
Why are they doing that? Why?
How does this relate to what what is being said or sung or
visualized or what have you in the realm of this world rather

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than just walking in and gettingit?
So I think they did a gun did a really good job of establishing
that from the get go. Like with the opening crawl, you
know, 3000 years, 300 years, 30 days, 3 minutes, you know, all
of these. And it was in threes, which I
appreciate, but it was, it was really a, a strong setup.
Like here we are, we're jumping right in.

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It was. Cataclysmic and it was strong,
but it the simplistic perspective was great for your
average viewer. We talked about before and
that's the brilliance. The brilliance is Iron Man
started the beginning. Superman boots on the ground.
Let's go just picked up the story.

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You're in. You're in right now.
Much in the sense that I think Lucas wanted to have that feel
with the original Star Wars movie, correct.
He wanted it to make it like we were diving in to an established
world and universe, right. Which is why those original
three Star Wars movies worked sowell.

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Exactly. Just kind of took a little bit
on faith that. Your audience is going to catch
on. Exactly, and the characters all
knew each other, they knew the world.
So through the character development we also got the
world building rather than like your point with Iron Man.
We have to explain. We got the, we got that

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groundwork, that foundation through that world.
We established the world, and here's the guy just living in
it. Yeah, and to a degree you did
get kind of some some explanations from from Fury and
saying you think you're the onlyone so on and so forth.
But the beauty with with this film and the comic book element,

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it does very much treat itself on its own.
It's it's vibrant, it is colorful, it is uplifting, it is
fast-paced, it is quick cuts. It is truly, truly remarkable to
see. OK, all right, I guess we're in,

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we're in the we're in the Antarctic.
OK, OK. All right.
Crypto crypto's there. OK, I'll, I'll roll with this.
Matt. That is what the Fortress of
Solitude looks like. OK, obviously that's what the
Daily Planet would look like of.Course, which were so subtly
great nods to the classic visionof those two structures.
But it didn't feel like it was in.

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Our world. Yes, I agree.
I agree. Did not feel in any way, shape
or form like, oh, I could go down and see that building
precisely The Dark Knight. Chicago.
London, New York. And it worked really well for
that, of course, with the vibe, of course.
But this one, to your point, it just felt like we were in a
comic book like you. I'm looking at the the books and

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things that you have here. They're in the individual
issues, right? They're not the collections,
right? So I felt like we were picking
up an individual issue. And as we were flipping the
pages as the film was going on, you would see that little box
like as seen in Superman #48 or whatever, you know?
So you kind of it it, it very much had that feel, that panel,

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the panel feel. When it comes to the film and
its criticisms, obviously it's been criticized as all movies
are. People don't want to be happy.
Some people do it for a career. Some people have to separate
themselves from fan to a critic to just watching the film.

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Some of it's warranted, some of it is a little unfair.
Read some reviews and I'm like, well, that's that's kind of
weird to say. Why would you say that?
What do you want? What do you want?
Do you? Do you a superhero?
Movie. I forgot to say it.
Is now there are parallels to our world, to that world,
obviously, but the carryover is sound and the logic behind the
film is sound. This is a true blue Superman and

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a credit to the character that we talked about before, Heath
Ledger's Joker, Deadpool, Wolverine, Professor X, Charlie
Cox, Wesley Snipes. When the actor disappears, when
the actor disappears, and you truly just see that version and
it's represented so well that you kind of get lost in the

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concept that I'm watching a film.
And that's credit to the writing, the sets, the coloring.
At no point did Rachel fool me into thinking, oh, that's
clearly Lois Lane. She's got a lot of pluck.
She's got a lot of attitude. She plays the devil's advocate.
There's a scene early on where her and Clark, immediately she
snaps into reporter mode. And you're like, God, OK, I, I

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buy it, right? And then you see Lex and his
goons play. I mean, he's got a team of
essentially interchangeable lunatics.
Yeah, for sure. Which is like they all do.
Is very Lex, very Lex. They all have the black
turtlenecks some it's it's it's it's adorable is what it is.
But when they all get lost, thiswhole film, every character,

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particularly Ma and PA Kent, simple, they felt like the only
humans that you or I would know in that other worldly different
world. Yeah, they were the most
grounded ones. Simple folk and they.
Existed away from Metropolis, right, like there's always a

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point in a Superman movie where he goes home like he needs to,
he needs to recharge with his with his roots with Ma and PA
and and get back to the his humanity.
And it even happens to a lesser extent in the Snyder verse,
right? He, he goes home and he has that
great relationship with, with Maand she comes to get him.

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She goes to Lois. You know, Diane Lane is
fantastic, but there's always that moment where he needs to
feel where he's lost and he's out of control.
And where does he find that? It's not in Metropolis.
It's always on the farm. It's always at his roots.
So I, I very much enjoyed that scene.

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And that was that was my my daughter's favorite scene was
with when he they were sitting and talk about the choices you
make and you know, you're not defined by your birth or your or
your genetics or whatever. You're defined by the choices
you make and how how you react to these things.

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You know, we raised you better than this.
And then puts his arm around pawand my daughter grabbed my hand
and I was crying and it like it was really it was our favorite
moment, right. It's.
Just it's a good, but that's what I'm talking about.
You are so swallowed up and and captured within this moment.
And it's it's a movie about an alien.

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And yet you're relating so, so heavily to these themes in these
moments. They're dropping.
And in true Superman fashion, he's in a world that views
kindness as old fashioned, and that's displayed perfectly.
I agree perfectly. Aside from the characters and
aside from the story, aside fromthe settings, the big take away

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for me, I, I had to smile the whole time I was, I was picking
up every single thing that they were putting down.
I, I got it. I thought a very weird like turn
that I always consider Rosenbaum.
Michael Rosenbaum from Smallville is one of the best

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LEX. You know, he was very good.
He's fantastic. And Tom Welling was a pretty
good Superman. Clark.
Too and this it was a good show.Early days superhero stuff.
So but Nicholas truly embodied like Lex.
I mean, the, the facial tics, the bald head, the, the, the

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ownership that he just claims over.
There's a scene in the film whenSuperman flips the table in and
just kicks the door and he's just so calm.
He's so calculating and he knowsthat he's got him right where he
needs him and just very Luther esque.
And I liked I, I liked his performance.

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The quintessential Luther for meis this Superman animated
series. Less of a bodybuilder though.
Yes, agree. I mean that Luther was huge,
right? He was injecting kryptonite.
I mean, it got a little weird with the suits, but yes, I agree
with his the way like Clancy Brown had the great voice for

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Luthor and that Luthor was superduper calm, like very like it
was just very calculating, very like he always he knew more than
anybody and it was always he wasfallible in that you could you
could play on his ego, right? He knew he was the smartest

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person in the world, but if you could find a way to outthink him
or beat him at his own game, that's when he would fall apart.
I I thought that Nicholas was a little too manic for my personal
taste. Really.
I like a calmer, more calculating Luther.

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As Superman, as early days, do you think that this is the
infant stages of a soon to be more calculating, more
confident? Maybe, and that would be a nice
direction to go because it's early days though very much.
He's so analytical, right? Like he's going to sit in in

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prison for a while and calculateand be like, well, this didn't
work. He's just going to analyze,
analyze, analyze, analyze. So that would be a fun
direction. I think that's an appropriate
direction. I mean, he does something pretty
horrendous in that in that film that even the audience and
myself for like, oh wow, wow, they really went there and he
utters the line. I thought that would take

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longer. And to my theaters reaction, my
reaction was, yeah, I did too. Yeah.
That was not fun. I didn't like that feeling.
There was 1 gripe. If I did have a gripe, I really
wish they would have played moreon the line.
Maybe I'll go find somebody elsethat you care about.
Maybe that reporter that you always do interviews with.

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Right? Clark.
Clark Kent. Yeah, I'll find him.
And right there, like, man, thatcould be wild.
OK, are we going this far? And like maybe, maybe, but maybe
they're sewing the seeds for later.
Yeah. Felt kind of like a throw away
line a little bit. I was like, wow, I guess we're
not doing OK. Alright, yeah, I'm still having
fun, but I really would have liked something there.

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A. Little bit more in that
direction I. The engineer.
That was a bit of contention formyself personally.
I agree. And I was thinking about this
last night. Like I enjoyed the scene where
like, because it's always a question of how do you kill
Superman without kryptonite, right?
Because they set that up like there's no kryptonite on Earth,
which was cool. I'm like, OK, well, this is kind

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of a new twist. And then, you know, Metamorpho
happens and all that. But the engineer, like, with her
nanites into his lungs, coveringher face.
I was like, OK, that's pretty ingenious, right?
So then he shoots into the sky, and I was like, OK, what are
they going to do here? Like, is it going to freeze a la
Iron Man, right? Are they going to freeze and

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he's going to shatter them? What's going to happen?
So then he falls back down to Earth, OK?
Are we going to use the atmosphere to like roast them
kind of thing? So he hits the ground with this
massive impact, and that's the last we see of the engineer,
right? So we don't know what happened.
Would it have been cool, since she's made of those nanites, for

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her to explode into the nanites?So then it's just Ultraman and
soups left. Like it was just like, bang, OK,
she's down and he peels the stuff off his face and that's
over. It's pretty horrendous when he
vomits all that stuff, which wascool.
It was so, so uncomfortable. Like Oh my God I hate this it.

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Was so gross, but I mean it whatit what a neat.
I liked it to take on how she was able to almost defeat him in
that vein. But the character itself was a
little, it was very broad strokes for me.
Yeah, it it felt very one note muscle henchman vibe.

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You'll know what I'm talking about.
We're not talking the engineer, we're talking Superman, but her
character, little one note, her character as a henchman felt a
little bit like, OK, let's let'sintroduce another deep cut
character. Because James Gunn, to your

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point, he's he knows it. He knows the obscure, he knows
the lovable and he just has it. He just has it.
We talked at length about RocketRaccoon, Groot, his friends from
Guardians three. We talked at length that Gunn
knows how to utilize the merchandise.

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He knows how to use something other.
Than humans to convey a message and crypto man I know it was
modeled after his dog that he had he had adopted or rescued
really really well. Really well done.
I would say that Nathan Fillion's Guy Gardner and Crypto

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stole the show for me. I agree and I was fully prepared
not to like the CGI dog. I was really fully prepared.
Now I love dogs. I'm AI mean crypto became like
so much fun, but I was fully prepared to be like, OK, yes,
he's kind of a device. Yes, he brings of certain levity
and the fact that the most powerful man in the universe
can't control a dog. That was very humorous because

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we've all dog owners been in that position.
Like you love this crazy animal,but they just don't listen
right? And he can't control the dog,
but Crypto saves the day not once but twice, right?
He comes in and because he's an unruly animal, Superman uses
that to defeat the bad guys, right?

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So I was I was fully prepared tonot like Crypto, but I ended up
really enjoying how he was utilized.
Real sweet too. I really, I really ended up
liking it. Like you at the very beginning,
like he drags him and he's playing with him.
It's wrecked. And it was very funny in a way

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that added levity to what was what opened the very serious
scene. I mean, well he's it was said in
the crawl it was his first. He's been defeated first time he
literally got his ass kicked. Yeah, and that was one of the,
you know, I'm sure that you and I could sit here and go scene by
scene in the movie and really nitpick and be like, well, that

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could have been better. I'd really like this.
We can do that. It's not really the point, but
one of the things I read online with this review was that a
Superman, for all of his powers and and physical infallibility,
he spends the entire movie getting him his butt kicked,
which was a gripe for this particular reviewer.

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And having read it, I could be like, OK, yeah, he he kind of
did. And you know, the Justice gangs
fighting that, that jellyfish thing, you know, in the
background when he's having thisserious conversation.
I agree. I thought it was wonderful.
And the reviewer was saying, well, they didn't even feel the
need to call on Superman. I'm like, well, I don't know if

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it's feel the need. I think it's Guy Gardner as the
de facto leader of the Justice gang being like, we don't need
super. We can handle this on our own,
right? And and Lois Stevens, like, are
you going to go handle that? And he's like, no, they got it.
Yeah, it's not. That's an interdimensional.
That's an interdimensional like.Alien It's fine.

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I loved it. Such a great guy.
I'm not worried about it and. If you're going to gripe about
that scene as a reviewer, you'remissing the point of the scene.
Yes, right. He doesn't have to do all the
daring do there is to do. Of course not.
He doesn't have to. Well, we worked with him before.
Look what happened. How many times have we seen
soups? Well, we got to get this thing

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out of here. I don't need to kill this thing.
Nah, I don't need to do that. I was hoping to take it alive
like quickly blows up the lungs of the.
What a cool scene. It was a pretty cool scene which
is another plays of another deepcut too.
Where? OK, he uses his ice breath, he
uses his heat vision, he uses his X-ray vision.
I could have used a little bit more of that.

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Just the powers that we love now.
The breath was great. Like breathed his way out of a
black. Hole for goodness sake.
I mean, that was cool and he blew the dog away from the and
he saw the bombs go off inside and he uses heat vision to kill
all the, you know, the, the hench men, you know, that kind
of stuff. I appreciated the hench men.

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I appreciated the very early days.
Once again, the the Luther suit,the Luther armored suit, which
is another brilliant little minute thing that we know where
we're going. We were talking prior to this
about separating the idea of areyou a film critic or are you a
fan? Right.

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And that is something very, verytough for everyone out there
listening Renaissance and myself.
It is tough when you love, love,love these characters that have
maybe have gotten you through being bullied, maybe have gotten
you through a divorce, a death change.

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These characters are very, very intimate.
They're very, very close. So it's tough to sometimes give
a up up. If it's your favorite character,
it's tough to give it a honest review.
You're going to find yourself defending things.
You're going to find yourself, well, I can excuse this or I can
excuse that. For me unapologetically.

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Yeah. There were a few gripes.
I mentioned the Luthor thing. I mentioned the engineer, I
mentioned we were talking before, we did not mention it.
The amazing and very well kept under wraps Bradley Cooper.
I know I leaned over because I went with my wife and I leaned
over. I'm like, that's Bradley Cooper.

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And she goes, oh, my God. It is like, of course she would
know a cute little cameo, which is great and good for Bradley
Cooper. Like gun probably just call him
up and say, hey, Brad, you want to come, you know, do a day's
worth of work. And he was probably like, sure,
I'm speaking a foreign language for a day.
I'm not a raccoon this time, right?
Not a raccoon. I'm a hologram, Yeah, but you

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know, he's moving up. What a what a what a scene.
Just luxury casting man too. Like I, I and the the, the young
lady who was his mother from Westworld.
I, I her. Name is.
She is a very, very complicated name.
I sincerely apologize to all thelisteners.

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Her and and Brad Bradley Cooper show up as the early days
message that kind of calms Superman down.
The message that #4 voiced beautifully by the great Alan
Tudyk. That kind of always gold.
Oh amazing, he's basically the Droid from Andorra and Rogue

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One. Absolutely.
And he's the chicken in Moana and like, he's brilliant.
He's even in Creature Commandos,he does Doctor Phosphorus and
he's he's done amazing. He's loved him since Firefly.
Yes, yes it it which let's be fair.
Side side note, worst way for a character ever to.
Go out. Oh so sad.
Worst way. It's disappointing.

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Moving on, we gonna come back for another episode on Firefly.
One of the greatest things that's ever happened in
Hollywood, sadly short lived. The point is that was that was
an enjoyable one that Ave. that take on Superman's parents
really understanding the true nature of why they send him

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there now as a reviewer and as acritic or a comic book fan or a
pure cinephile. That's a tough that's a tough
line to to walk. And now you have Superman who
the real reason why he was sent is to what be superior?
To rule, perhaps? God like Pharaoh, like some

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world conquering, take wives, take power.
How did that wash over you and? You know, I thought it was weird
and we were speaking offline earlier today about it.
I had to go back and look where that was in the lore.
Happened after Infinite Crisis, I believe, where that was part

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of his origin story. Where it wasn't just sunshine
and rainbows. Go to help these people.
Well, you can help them by lording over them.
You're you are the most powerfulcreature and to them you will be
a God. How is that not good news?

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The planet is being destroyed. We'd love to make this message
longer, but the planets being destroyed.
Right, exactly. And it kind of comes back to
what we said earlier when we first started talking about MA
and Pennsylvania Kent must have been the greatest parents in the
world to instill these values inClark.

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Like, yeah, you have great. It's the whole with great power
comes great responsibility argument, right?
And to have that and to to have him spiral when he sees this
message, which is contrary to everything he is, has built his
persona, his life, his humanity.Because at the end of the day, I

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mean, yeah, he's an alien, but he was raised by human parents.
I mean, he was he was little, right?
So he's both. Yeah.
And that to to have his world rocked by his birth parents
almost betraying him or betraying his idea of himself.

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Yeah. It questions the ideologies, it
questions the morals, It questions the persona, the view,
the vision of everything that heis.
And then and then he goes home. His real home.
His real home is always Kansas. Yeah.
And you know, he, I love that, that it wasn't Ma that was

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mushy, right? It was Pennsylvania and they're
like all right, come on, Mush, let's go.
Like she even calls him that. And they have this really great
father son moment, not unlike inSnyder.
You know, when you have Kevin Costner, like he'll always be my
son. Like we talked last time, like
that hits hard as. It's it's it's.

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Crushing as dads, as as as as family, right?
It's it, it's what makes these things so great that you have
this guy who's who can do anything, anything.
But he still struggles, of course.
He's still an emotional being. He's not infallible.

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And that's when he's perfect. Best.
Yeah, and it's displayed perfectly through that emotion,
through that emotion. And barring the emotional
stakes, it's still a it's still a display of human interaction,
Lois says herself. Like, I knew this wasn't going

(31:09):
to work. And it's.
Like what are you talking about?I know he's like, what do you
mean? What do you mean?
Why would you say that? And I love that they, oh again,
like right into that world, right?
They already have a relationship.
She already knows that he's bothClark and Superman.
Like she already knows. We don't have to do all that
weird back story. And then the joke about the

(31:31):
glasses, how they're holograms and they alter like another
throwaway line, Mr. Triff is, oh, it's our holograms glasses.
You know, they alter the look and like, duh.
Like it was just a throwaway thing.
And we're like, OK, well, that makes a lot of sense.
Let's just play with that. Like, it was great.
Well. That that the element of the
human side to that and him understanding the reflection of

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the world that I'm trying to be a part of and I'm trying to
save. And the colorful nature of these
characters also seemed very realized.
Let's let's be fair. Skylar one of the most
underrated parts of the film. Skylar as Jimmy Olsen, but
inexplicably ladies man, which just cracks me up.

(32:16):
With Tess Mocker. Oh my man.
She was great too. She was hilarious.
She was absolutely great. And his back and forth with her,
his this the very, you know, they're kind of taken very much
like Superman's pal. Superman's friend might turn get
turned into a turtle eventually or something.
No, just who knows. He's just he's just a very

(32:38):
likable version of that character.
And I thought that what he brought to that role and his
part, you know, comes into a massive part later on in the
film, but he did great. I thought Perry White, the
gentleman from the Wire and JackRyan.
Jack Ryan, yes, yes, yes. A little underused.

(32:59):
I thought Perry White, I'm like,he's got the cigar, he's got the
look, he's got the grey. He's.
Yeah, he was great. He was a good choice.
That's. Perfect yes it it I can't think
of a lot of things that irritated me.
I can't think of a lot of thingsthat well that wouldn't work,
that wouldn't work that wouldn'twork because once again, this is
early days. This is early days.
This is early enough to which ifanything didn't stick, whatever

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they didn't throw at the wall that didn't stick, they can just
wash your hands of it and move forward.
So the big the least of this film is he's stopped a war.
He stopped a war. Obviously there is parallels to
various countries in the real world.
Obviously that's one of the big points of contention with this
film. But it is a comic book film and
a reflection. Most of these comic books we

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talked last time. This is always somewhere
inspired by real world issues. So obviously certain things are
going to creep in there, but notwithout one of the greatest
scenes ever in one of the best parts of the film.
And Mr. Terrific and Mr. Terrific has probably was
considered one of the funniest, coolest, very guardians esque

(34:04):
action scene. Oh, for sure.
When that covers her, it's like everybody's favorite.
It was our second youngest. She's a huge gun fan like
Guardians is her jam like and she.
Left, I was like, what did you think?
And she's like, and she knows because I'm, you know, loyal to
Superman, like through and through.
She was like, well, I kind of like Guardians better.

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I'm like, that's cool. Yes, as you should.
And your favorite scene was whenhe put Lois in the bubble,
right? And she goes absolutely.
Because that was the most James Gunzian.
Oh my goodness. Moment, much like the opening
montages of the Guardians films,right?
Like that was his signature style.
Not a lot of music and I bring that up.
And I want to come back to the score very briefly because I'm a

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please, please. Music is my, I don't know if you
know, like that's my background.That's what I studied.
So the music, I mean, the, the punk rock, the the Music Choice
for Terrific's big moment with Lois.
That was always well chosen. But the score itself, man, it
boxed me. It just bothered me.

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I wanted like they, they have these interpolations of the
theme, right? These injections of, of the John
Williams theme, which it's very difficult to not have that.
And I, I did miss that in Snyderbecause it's so iconic.
It's like you can't see Darth Vader without hearing the

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Imperial March. And what I missed from this
score, it was very it was very atmospheric and it fit the mood
and it did all this stuff. I just missed that.
John Williams, Howard Shore, Hans Zimmer sweeping like there
the there wasn't a hummable likelove song like when Superman and

(35:54):
Loyal. It was like video game music.
Like it fit the moon and it was great.
But if you're going to do that, get Bear McCreary to do it.
And my favorite music was when it's when he's it's on the
track. It's called eyes up here, right?
So then we get we finally get the only time, the full
iteration of the Superman theme.That's the only time you get the

(36:17):
full like 8 bars of it. Like DDDDDDDDD.
That's the only time that whole thing is played.
Only time and that's the strongest musically for me.
Why not Should be right. Why not just take the theme?

(36:38):
If you're going to use the theme, just make make it a whole
theme and variations of it. We didn't hear Lois's sing.
Not that we needed that, but something.
Something to remind us the the little piece of like, hey,
remember. Yeah, and it's.

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Just a little bit of member berries, not so much that you're
you're drowning in it. You don't need The Force Awakens
level member berries. You don't need enough to remind
everybody where we're at, where we're from, what we're doing.
And I think some of the strongest musical moments just
in film in general are when thatheroic theme comes back, when

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our main character does something heroic, even in like
Back to the Future, Oh God, likewhen when embarked the Back to
the Future 2, when he climbs over, No, that's the first one
when he climbs over Biff's car, right.
And he's like that, that orchestral theme when Marty does

(37:42):
something really right and. Then, right as he cuts the
board, the music stops. So I wanted a little, it felt
very video game story to me, anda little bit and it fit the
mood. It was fine.
But I wanted that swashbuckling Errol Flynn old school Superman

(38:06):
giant orchestra at one point. Do you think that there was a a
fundamental reason why we did not get that because the
original Superman, Christian Reeves to all the way through to
Adam West and Henry Cavill, Christian Bale, there's those
sequences that we're familiar with.

(38:28):
There's very, it's very operatic, it's very atmospheric.
The right music swells. You have the right piece of
music. It makes or breaks the film from
everything from Kill Bill to Juno to Pirates of the Caribbean
classic like, oh, Jurassic Park,Indiana Jones back at the

(38:51):
future. Do you think that it needs to
stand on its own, that we're moving away from that type of
swelling, like uplifting moment because you cannot replace like
what Han Zimmer did for Man of Steel?
I mean, it's that's, I mean, thecape's going to be flap and
there's going to be slow motion.It's going to be Snyder esque.

(39:17):
I was very much thinking, oh man, what music is is he going
to use? Whether it's Peacemaker,
Creature Commandos, Guardians, the Suicide Squad.
Right. I mean, the Suicide Squad opens
up with Johnny Cash, right? I mean, like, oh, brilliant, you
got my money already. And I it did.

(39:39):
It did feel a little different. It did feel a little different.
And that Mister terrific. I think that's why that scene
stands out so hard with people is because that's one of the
only moments in the film where the music swells and you're just
kind of like what just happened.It was just a really thoroughly
well composed scene. Yes.

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Like it top to bottom. Like the scene had a beginning,
a middle and end. It was a short.
It wasn't even 3 minute sequence.
It was, I think it was like 2 very under 3-3 minutes.
Very very brief, but. What sells that scene is
Gethaggi Eddie. Eddie Gethaggi I think is his
name. I played Darwin in in X-Men

(40:23):
first class one character that can't die die in the film, but
Mr. Terrific around with Hawk Girl, who is perfect to kind of
underutilized she was I. Agree.
I agree, I would even go so far as to say severely
underutilized. Like I love that she had a
moment with the screaming and the club.

(40:45):
Yeah, all of that. She sounded like a.
Bird wanted to give a little bitmore, just a little bit more.
She got a pretty bad ass moment towards the end there when she
has the the one of the antagonists, he says you're not
going to kill me. You're like, she's like, I'm
not. Superman I was.
Like, wow, it was. Great.

(41:05):
I know I want to see more of herbecause I love, I love that
actor as well. Isabella Merchet.
Do you glorious in Last of Us? Oh 100%.
I mean, I'd even go as far as tosay that the early days shit
that she took as an actress fromTransformers not being very well
received to just trudging and trudging and trudging.

(41:27):
And then you get one of my favorite of her roles was in
Alien Romulus. OK, which amazing.
And Last of Us clearly bar none.It's just next level, right?
I mean, she carried that next level writing.
Week that could be another episode, but but Gethagi's
performance is Mr. Terrific. Just a absolute introvert, third

(41:50):
smartest man, which I appreciate.
He's the third smartest man in that world.
I love how he conveys just how frustrating it is that nobody
can figure stuff. Out it made me laugh so hard
when she's trying to fly spacecraft aircraft thing he's
like it's very intuitive nothing's right.

(42:12):
She's like crass. It's not intuitive at.
All exactly. And he just he gets so fed up
with guy. He he barely, he just can tell.
He's like, Oh my God. You guys are all dumb.
Yeah. And this I have to tell you the
story. Just a small tangent because
you'll appreciate this. So in the movie Lois calls his
drones circles. Yes.

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And he's like there's spheres, it's 3 dimensional.
And my wife laughed so hard at that because my son held up a
box and he asked her, this is several years ago.
He said what 3 dimensional object is this and she was just
kind of like it's a square buddyand he goes it's a cube.

(42:56):
I said 3 dimensional and we busted up because it was
reflected like that, that brain intellectual.
Oh my God, is represented perfectly.
And then he's, you know, at the very end when they're in
Luthor's lab, not lab, his computer base, right where he's

(43:17):
running Ultraman. Almost like command center or
whatever he's command. Center thank you and he's like
oh God damn, Mr. terrific like you know, he was just he was so
frustrated the entire time by being surrounded by people he
thought were just absolute morons.
Let it played so well with Superman because Superman is so

(43:41):
darn likable. He's just genuine to to the
point where he's almost goofy. Almost.
Yes, right up to the right up tothe window, but not putting your
face on the window kind. Of like and and I love how
frustrated he was with crypto atthe very end when crypto just
goes to town on Lex. He's a crypto crypt stop stop.

(44:02):
No, no, Put it down. Put Crypt.
And then he just gives up. Yeah, because we've all had that
dog. It was just brilliantly played.
So you have terrific on this oneside who's frustrated with
everybody because he's smarter than everybody.
You have Superman. The other side, you can't do
anything. You can't even control this dog,
which adds another layer of humanity to him.

(44:24):
And somehow all of these seemingly unrelated things come
together to save the day, which is the essence of why the
Justice League is so hard. Because you have all these super
powered beings who have their own agendas, their own thoughts,
their own ways of doing things. Their own morals, their own back

(44:45):
story, their own. Always Superman in the middle
who tries to bring them togetherlike in Kingdom Come.
My absolute favorite comic run. Best art.
Alex Ross. Oh my goodness, they rally for
Superman. They may not get along anymore.
Like G LS doing his thing. Batman's old and busted and

(45:07):
Wonder Woman has retired to her island.
But they rally because Big Blue calls them and they know.
They that's the one. That's the one centerpiece that
all these completely earth shattering heroes all can agree
on. Yes, and I want I want that

(45:29):
world building where he becomes.They may not agree with his Boy
Scout attitude, his lawful good morals, all of that stuff.
They may not agree, but they love him.
But they can all agree. In spite of.
Themselves sometimes. Right.
He's like God, like how can you beat the All right, I'll do it.

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You know, even Batman, it's like.
All right, that is going to be curious because with all these
great characters, all these great foreshadowings, whether
it's guy saying, well, the Greenlander Corps prohibits me
from doing, which was always hisgo to thing.
If he didn't want to do anything, he would just say

(46:13):
sorry, it prohibits me from doing that.
I'm like God, he's such a Dick and.
I love the comment that Lois made about his haircut.
Yes, so funny. Oh, God, yeah.
That's the first thing my wife said too, is she's like, oh,
that is the ugly. I'm like, I know they nailed it.
Yeah, they nailed it perfectly. So great.
It was. And he it's, it's Fillion.

(46:34):
It's Nathan Fillion. You're talking about building
this up and building to that understanding that this is where
we're headed, this is where we're going.
Did you catch any of the Easter eggs in the soon to be the Hall
of Justice? Obviously.
The Hall of Justice I thought was so gorgeous I leaned over to
my daughter. I'm like Oh my God, it looks
like the Super Friends. Hall of Justice.

(46:56):
We've been waiting for decades. To see this, yes.
You know, it was things like like the Hall of Justice, the
Daily Planet, the Fortress of Solitude, those old, those nods
to the old school look of these things.
It was so, so brilliant. And she and I are going to go
again and take my son. So I will be more receptive to

(47:19):
like the little Nuggets. To answer your question,
probably not. There's a few things in there
that are fleeting, fleeting Wildcat.
I don't think I caught a. Jay Garrett.
Yes, that one, yes. Few golden age characters just
like pop through there, which makes me have a joker like

(47:40):
smile. The fact that we are 300 years
into a world with metahumans, gods, monsters.
Where it's going, who knows. We were talking off air before
we started recording that it's they're fast tracking a lot of
stuff. They're looking up.
That's very hopeful. It's very exciting.

(48:01):
And I just, I talked to IG, the original, I talked to Big Pat, a
few other people that have come through the Court of
Entertainment. And all I kept saying is I just
want to see what World War 2 waslike.
I want to see what Star City andBlood Haven and Gotham.
I want to see what the mascara looks like.
I want to see what Swamp Thing looks like.

(48:22):
I'm just ecstatic of like, if that is what they do with
Superman, what does Batman look like?
Right, and and what are what is his character and how?
This is nuts. How are we?
Are we sticking with the traditional lore, which would be
fine because everybody knows it.Everybody knows Batman's back

(48:44):
story in the same way that everybody knows Superman's back
story. But then in in this film, you
you dive right in. We know where he came from.
We know all this. But then you get that tweak of
the message and it like it takeslike a left turn that not
everybody know. I mean, I, I had to look it up.
Yeah, right. But it's working.

(49:04):
But it's working like I. Said.
They have you and I there. We're there.
Oh. Easy.
Yeah, shut up and take my money.But.
How does it work for the misses?How does it work for the family
members? And understanding like it's
going to be, I'm excited, but itis going to be a little tough.
We've gotten the bail, we've gotten the Kilmer, the Keaton,

(49:25):
the Clooney. We've gotten the Affleck.
We've gotten the Pat, Pat, Patterson, Pattinson.
Yeah, I even I I enjoyed Pattinson's performance.
Of course, on multiple viewings,it was, it became more like a
like a True Detective movie rather than a Batman movie.
You know what I mean? It was very, very well done.
My daughter and I went to that two or three times.

(49:45):
I, you know, my wife, my wife and I, we saw it, then we took
the kids and we saw it again. It's just that's, that could be
its own episode too. But what before we, before we
get out of here, before we wrap this up, I want to mention the
two other amazing, amazing cameos #1 Millie Alcock,

(50:10):
Supergirl. So freaking funny.
So freaking funny. I wasn't.
And like I was wondering like, OK, how did crypto get here?
And like what's he doing here? Why doesn't he listen to
Superman? The the scene at the end where
he's on the moon and Krypto, like, hugs him.
I'm like, OK, that's really wonderful.
But then when she walks in and she's wasted, and then the

(50:34):
throwaway line about how she likes to go party on planets
with red Suns because they can'tget drunk with the yellow sun.
Like it was so great. And our our second youngest was
there. She was like, like, she loved
it. Like she lives for that stuff.
It was. It was really, really wonderful.
And it that's it. And that's where we know where

(50:56):
it's headed. But again, here we are like in
the middle of this world. We don't need to establish
everything all at once, so we just take it for granted that
this is the world in which we'reliving.
And if you want to know more about Super Cara, you want to
know more about her, you can read, you can understand James
Gunn has done a beautiful job ofciting the material that you can

(51:18):
go back and read and understand that, hey, woman of tomorrow,
time dilation. She was raised very differently,
but in the concept of how it is that she got here OK, She's
younger, he's older, beautiful. You can learn that if you need.
To yeah, unruly cousin with the unruly dog it's.

(51:38):
Great and it and it fit when just he just like tackled like
what is going on? Like I don't have time to
process. That's literally that with my
head. My head literally just exploded.
I'm like, wow, they're going this OK, I'm there, I'm there
for it. And the second or the third
cameo, which unapologetically was probably my favorite aside

(51:59):
from Brad and and Millie, was 1 Christopher Smith's Peacemaker.
Oh, I love the. Fox News S panel.
I'm like. What is this?
Of course you would be on a conspiracy based.
Naturally. And then you have to question
like, OK, so the Peacemaker encountered Snyder's Superman,

(52:20):
yes, right. So where are we in the world?
And like, is it, are they related?
Are they not, Which is fine if they're not like we can go, I
mean, it's a reset. It's like a retcon, right?
We can do that. I don't care.
It's just an interesting question.
It's so interesting that you bring that up because right when
you came down to the studio today, I was in the middle of

(52:42):
updating all the socials on all the stuff happening.
And one of the things that I hadread was there is a right now
online, kids, there is a new trailer for I think it's Comic
Con coming up where it's going to explain how it is the team
Peacemaker gets from the DC EU to the DC of the.

(53:05):
Current one, yeah. Whether that's time, portals,
dilations, what have you. He could be that weird Deadpool
of like, oh, a better universe, another universe.
What happens? Are they going to go Rick and
Morty and take out their own doppelgangers?
Who knows? Well, and you've established
that there's these these portals, yes, between universes,

(53:26):
right? What could go wrong with that?
I mean, there's a black hole in the middle of Earth, you know,
that that kind of stuff. So you have the groundwork for
that suspension of disbelief, right?
You can be like, OK, well, I can.
I can get there because we have this device.
Yes, so I thought that was hilarious.
Made me laugh. I was like, Oh my God.

(53:47):
Oh my God, that's right. You're in here.
That was my first thought. I was like and then like a wife
like, is that, is that John? I was like, yes.
It is. Mine did the same thing.
I was like, Oh yeah, that's Peacemaker.
She goes who? I'm like, never mind.
I'm just like that you're in here too.
I totally spaced that out and itjust added that hint of like for

(54:10):
everyone out there has seen Peacemaker.
It is a a, a very, very, very, very well done show.
One of my personal favorites. Yeah, so Supergirl, Peacemaker,
jor El lot to love. There was a lot to love and I
really enjoyed the the relationship between Krypto and

(54:31):
Superman, between Superman and Mr. Terrific and just those,
those were my favorite Terrific.It almost became a Mr. Terrific
movie at one point. A little bit he did kind of take
the forefront and that was. Like just to, I know we got to
wrap up, but like that was one point in the movie when Superman
gets when when he turns himself into Luthor and Luthor puts him

(54:55):
in that interdimensional prison with Metamorpho and all that
stuff. That was the one point in the
movie with I thought went a little too long without Superman
in a Superman movie. I appreciated it and I loved it
and I enjoyed it, but I was like, it's time for him to break
out of jail now. Like, let's get back to the
Superman movie. And that's also a very dark

(55:18):
point in the film. Literally, literally, literally
dark. And sadly, the Lex shows his
true colors and the fact that he's willing to do whatever he
whatever he can. I love the monkeys have had a
lot of I I thought that I thought.
That was clever. I was like, of course.
He would. I thought it was clever.

(55:40):
I and I, I understand. It's like, oh, this is this is
the villain we're dealing with. He sends mean tweets.
And I'm like, OK, so you once again, you're missing the joke.
This kills me. It's like, so none of you have a
problem with Mr. Burns doing that on The Simpsons, right?
It's Mr. Burns, and now Lex is doing it.
I'm like, of course he would, but.
Plus it's just funny. Yes, it's just funny.

(56:02):
Like what? What is again, there's there's a
layer of commentary to that. Like we have these bot farms, we
have all this stuff that do that, so why wouldn't Lex and do
the same thing to manipulate thenarrative in the direction he
wants? And it's funny because he's
using monkeys. That's another commentative sort

(56:24):
of moment. Like, let's think beyond what
you're being shown. Exactly.
Like, use another level of reasoning there.
It's supposed to be funny, but it's also kind of social
commentary. Exactly where?
Where's where? Where's all this stuff pulled
from? Right, Metamorpho, he felt kind
of like Kryptonite hands a little bit, you know, like he's

(56:46):
in this to be let's let's be theplot point, but you cannot be
the scene in which he is creating the star.
I could make something sun like and he's like mumbling to
himself. He's like going to need to
hydrogen or anything amazing. Yeah, it was cool and.
I loved how he finally gave Guy his flowers at the very end by

(57:09):
saying, oh, that's really cool. That's a really good nail.
Like, wow. Like we're going deep, deep
cuts. Here it was hilarious that that
point was was very funny. Yes.
So before we wrap this up, before we get out of here, what
are you looking forward to with this?
Is there any project character? Because we're guaranteed for

(57:31):
before this fast track, we're guaranteed lanterns, which
Nathan, Kyle Chandler, Aaron Pierre.
And they're going to focus on Jon Stewart's Lantern, Yes.
Yes, yes, he is a rookie. He's a rookie, obviously, which
I love. Do that perfectly because that
means Hal has already gone through what Hal goes through.

(57:51):
Guy is already taking care of what he's been taking care of,
which I also really did enjoy. Real quick back to Superman when
he said, is that message true? Is that message true?
Because if it's that, if it is true, you are the exact reason
why I was sent here to protect this plant.
You finally get that Green Lantern core, like, oh damn, so

(58:12):
there's a whole other world out there.
And I like when they lean into we're the intergalactic police
force. Kind of, yeah.
And. When he gets in his face and
says make a move Big Blue, like that's, that's true.
Blue Guy Gardner right there, like just he's like getting
rescued by your dad a little bit.
It's not fun a little bit. But so we're getting Lanterns,

(58:34):
we're getting Supergirl, we're getting Clayface.
The dynamic duo. Now they're fast tracking Wonder
Woman. Obviously, Sergeant Rock has
someone on hold. Where?
Where are you? What are you?
Where are you sitting with it? What do you look forward to?
I, you know, Wonder Woman's always been one of my favorites
and I thought Gal did a fantastic job with the
character, particularly in the first one.

(58:55):
Yes, I thought she was so, so, so, so, so good.
So I think if you make the rightcasting move with Wonder Woman,
and we have this same sort of vein with that we're in with the
new Superman, maybe a little bitmore military based because she
is a warrior, a warrior, right? And again, that's where she ends

(59:15):
up in conflict a little bit withZeus because he's this good guy
and she's a good guy, but she's got a sword different.
Whole set of motives. There, Yeah.
And she's got the powers and shehas got this entitlement.
She's a Princess, she's a goddess.
She's got all of these things that he is not that he he

(59:36):
doesn't like about himself, right?
So I'm interested to see how they cast it, how what the plot
is going. Here is she leaving Themiskira?
Is it starting on Themiskira? It Sky's the limit.
Where do we go? I mean, and honestly though, for
my money, I just I could be happy with another 10 Superman
movies in this like that's. Well, he it's already been

(59:58):
confirmed that the next Supermanfilm will not be the
quintessential sequel film, which to me is already said that
Peacemaker season 2, there's a couple really big cameos.
So that could be that could be David's Superman, that could be
the new, any of the new lanterns.
It's Sky's the limit. And if you've seen Creature

(01:00:20):
Commandos, you know there's a lot of big hitters that appear
in that animated form. But for me?
I'm excited to see an established Bat family.
I'm excited to see Tim Drake down the road, Jason Todd down
the road, Dick Grace and Damian Wayne, Barbara.
I'm excited to see all that downthe road, an established bat

(01:00:42):
family. But for me, my money is really
on Sergeant Rock. I really would like to see what
did the 40s look like in this, in this world, whether that's GI
Robot, Howling Commandos, I mean, Agents of Shade, you, you
could do so much. Yeah.
And where they are in that worldconflict, right.

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So that's, I mean, that's alwaysan interesting.
Plot line? Yes.
Yes. Any final thoughts before we get
out of here? No man, I just I, I really
enjoyed the movie. I'm looking forward to see it
again and, and picking up on a few more of those little subtle
nods, the Easter egg type stuff when I'm not concentrating so
much on the plot and the look and the feel and like, what is

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Mr. Terrific doing right now? And you know, all these things.
So I'm I'm excited to see it again and we're kind of relax
into the viewing. Yeah, let it literally wash over
you and like kind of can you go through it with like a fine
tooth comb and kind of comb through and yeah.
And my daughter said it like theday after.
She's like, I cannot stop thinking about the movie.
I can't wait to see it again. I'm sure she's probably been

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again. Well, I got to tell you,
Renaissance, this has been fun. As always.
Thank you for lending your voice.
Thank you for lending your time to being here to talk some stuff
that it's true that you find that that individual that you
can have those conversations with.
Thank you for having me, I. Appreciate it and we are going

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to have you back. Definitely.
We're going to try to get some stuff rolling here on whether
that's comic book side, TV show side, the real like grounded
nature, you know, maybe we couldtalk some Firefly.
That might be a fun one. We could talk anything and
everything comic book related. That's kind of a given.
People love hearing your voice. They love the the presence.

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So we've gotten feedback. You've gotten some.
I know I've gotten some, and we do apologize.
I do apologize. I'm sure Renaissance does too,
that the intellectual side of the comic book pieces and the
fragments and the puzzles come through.
It's true, it does, and for goodreason.
It's. The Lord is rich.

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It is. It is.
Well, Renaissance, thank you so much for being here.
We will hear from you soon. And As for this episode, this is
going to be a special Friday episode.
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