TCOE#86 BT's Cinema Tiers with special guest IG!

OC welcomes a new voice to TCOE! With special guest IG the original! This massive film and genuine Christopher Nolan fan BT!! Back from college and he's here to give his rankings on films and their impact!! Thanks for listening!!!

Episode Transcript

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Welcome back everybody to another episode of The Core of
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Thank you so much for making this platform a part of your
day. And this podcast, I can
guarantee you, is going to be a great way to get the Monday
started off the right way because I am joined by two
people. Two people, 2 Homo sapiens, 2

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males, if I can use that vernacular.
This day and age I am joined by IG, the original and a very
special guest. He's like an eclipse.
We rarely see him, but when we do, you know him.
When you see him, you'll know his voice.
You'll hear his voice, and you can make an amalgamation of what
this wonderful human being lookslike coming through your
speakers. Maybe you're on your way to
work, maybe you're at work, maybe you're taking the kids to

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school, Maybe you're just at home doing whatever it is that
you do on a Monday morning. But nevertheless, I want to
welcome in IG. What's going on, buddy?
How are you? Oh yes, it's always good to be
back. Spectator on this one.
Now for our next. Special guest.
It's going to be. It's going.
To be different, it's going to be different because we have a
life outside of this, away from the microphones, away from the

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studio. We know this individual that's
coming on. Yes, yes, yes.
A lot of places are brewing decaf coffee because of this
individual right here, which is going to be good.
It's going to be good. So without further ado, we're
going to be talking some movies,we're going to be talking some
trilogy's, we're going to be talking ranking of movies,

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cinema, maybe some TV shows, maybe some personal opinions of
how movies are ranked through the ages.
Would you agree? Yeah.
OK, now people know you IG the original.
They know you as being a Marvel fan.
You're currently taking a trip through the 70s, eighties,
nineties, 60s, early 2000s. And today we're kind of
spectators here because I have avery special guest that I

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brought in. He he, he found his way down
here. And like I said, he's like an
eclipse. We don't see him often, but when
he's here, my God, do not look right at it.
It'll it'll he'll go blind. He'll go blind.
All right. And I'd like to welcome the
first time guest, long time listener I hope is BT BTS.
What's going on, buddy? Nothing much.
It's good to be here. Yeah, I mean, definitely can

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understand the decaf. Had to slam a Red Bull on the
way over here so feel a little jittery but it's.
You mean on the way here? You're taking it right now.
Well, I know it's good to be here.
I mean, I'm pumped up to talk about some movies.
That's awesome, man. So BT we talked away from the
studio, off mic, away from everything.
You have a very fascinating way of ranking films, right?

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You have a fascinating way of doing that.
We, we had a great discussion off there about trilogy's and
character archetypes and storytelling.
Would you care to enlighten the audience of how it is that you
rank movies? Yeah, for sure.
I mean, first I want to start off is, I mean, I'm in college,
so I am a younger person. So it is very like, I'd say

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there's a lot of bias with that in itself, but the way I like to
look at it is from three different tiers almost.
So 1 is like a personal, like, how much do I personally enjoy
this movie, right? And that's obviously different
for every individual. Another is like the societal
impact of the movie, like, you know, like almost like for the
basketball fans out there, Michael Jordan, like he had such
an impact outside of just the game of basketball.

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And then I'd say the third one is like a cinema.
Like how good of a movie was it?Like, you know, like those
famous directors, Christopher Nolan for example, like what was
the soundtrack like? Like how good of an overall
movie was it on like a Rotten Tomatoes almost basis?
So those are like the three things I kind of go off of and
some of them I just rank movies strictly on one.
So like some of them are just strictly a cinema and then

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others are a combination of all three so.
That's awesome, man. And you're you're, you said that
you're in college, obviously. So being from that side, did it
ever like resonate with you on another level that there's
certain cinema that came before you as far as like Indiana
Jones, Star Wars, maybe like your quintessential like types

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of a Saving Private Ryan. You see these films that kind of
paved the way for where cinema is today.
How close do you pay attention to like the older films?
Before you, you know, before youwere born?
Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I'd say a ton.
Obviously it's like definitely harder, but just like the amount
of impact they had on the movie industry as a whole, it's just,

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it's unreal. And it's almost like one of
those things where it's just youhave to respect it.
You know, it's like these new movies are here because of what
those set the standard for and they just brought so much new,
like acting new, just everythingin the the movie industry and
it's really just paved the way for it today.
So it's like, as much as I didn't grow up being able to
watch those as like a a child, there's so much respect for it

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there. For me personally, just to see
like this is really what cinemashave started as and like it's
you can see the clear transitions in the the movie
industry today. And so like, I love a lot of
those movies. Indiana Jones, great series, you
know, back to the future, like those, those are like those
foundations you're talking aboutthat just like without them,
it's like the movies today, you know, who would who would even
know, right? It's just like they kind of

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piggyback off of those like ideas, those concepts.
And I mean they're truly one-on-one.
Like they're talking about that societal impact like that, that
in itself. I mean, those movies really just
like they blow it out of the water, quite frankly so.
Do you think it is in any way ironic that you kind of are
revisiting like some of the stuff?

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Because to your point, like you see a lot of reboots nowadays,
you know, IG is, is is very, youknow, keen on like the Marvel
side of things, you know, and they're kind of redoing some of
the characters. They're reintroducing some of
the characters. How do you find it as like the
rebooted version of Star Wars, the rebooted version, or the
continuation of an Indiana Jones?

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And how do you think that resonates with someone of of
someone of your age and someone of your generation?
I mean, I'd say it's difficult because like I understand the
thought process behind it and it's just, it can go two ways.
It's like, OK, one, we're tryingto bring back this classic for
this newer generation where they're watching this when it
comes out and they're they're witnessing it first hand almost

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on. But on the other end, it's like
it's almost like a too much perspective.
So it's like, OK, there was thishit and now we're kind of
bringing in this new movie, new cast, kind of new perspective
because you know, society is a lot different than it really
what it was before. So it's these new societal
beliefs and everything on that just get just trained into a
movie like not even just on likenaturally, just like just with

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what's going on in the world. It's just you see that in the
impact of these new movies. And so it's a really cool
concept and I really like how they're trying to bring these
originals kind of the new life for these next generations.
But at the same time, it's a very difficult thing because the
originals were such hits and youdon't want to take away from
that. And I don't know.
So I I see it both ways, but I mean, you got it.

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I mean, like, I guess in their in their eyes, you got to try
it, right? You know, this these were these
were hits. Let's bring them back, you know
so. Would you say that there's any
particular one that did not resonate or did not hit with you
on that? Because we're going to get to
your tears, but I just wanted tokind of pick your brain a little
bit. What is 1 like series or film?
And I can ask this to both you IG and, and BT over here.

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What would you say is one that like just didn't work, whether
it was a reboot or revisiting toboth you gentlemen, what would
you say was one that didn't really work with you?
We'll start over here with you, BT.
I mean, immediately what jumps out to me is the new Star Wars.
And yeah, I mean, and I want to say like, this is not a personal
thing. They really try and push

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forward, like the romantic relationship of Rey and Kylo
Ren, which I have an older sister and she loves it,
frankly. So there's definitely a lot of
people out there that are like, OK, we love to see this like
relationship and just this wholepersona between Rey and Kylo
Ren. And it is really cool just in an
overall like cinema aspects of these new movies.
It's like they do really cool with like the CGI and stuff like

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that. And it's really cool to see like
all this new technology in the movie.
But it just feels almost to me personally, it's just kind of
lost the touch. You know, it's like you turn on
Empire Strikes Back and you're just sitting there like the
entire time. Like this is sweet, right?
Like, this is like one-on-one and you turn on, it's like, OK,
this is just a Star Wars movie. And part of the reason I would

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say I feel that way is because when I turn on a new Star Wars
movie, my expectation is Empire,Revenge of the City, right?
Right. Classic like.
The George Lucas, Yeah. So like I'm turning on and then
it's like, so that's kind of my comparison.
So I mean, quite frankly, I'm never sitting Star Wars like the
the Rice Skywalker, for example.I'm not I'm not saying it up for
itself. I'm setting it up comparison to

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like return Empire, you know allthose it's.
Tough to kind of leave it away from the shadow, you know what I
mean? But it is in the shadow, but you
also kind of want to be liberal with it, you know, as far as
like, are we comparing this to the older one or movie on its
own? You know what I mean?
What about UIG? What would you say to that?
I mean, I definitely agree with BT on his perspective on like,

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you know, you know, a lot of thenew reboots or, you know, like
with Star Wars specifically, as he said, because I was just
talking to a friend the other day too, that said that, you
know, she loved the new Star Wars movies and that, you know,
that kind of, you know, relationship that they focus on
with Rey and Kylo. You know, she said that she

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loves it. I'm like, OK, so like I, I think
definitely a lot of the new movies that are like rather
whether they're reboots or continuations of a series or
whatever, they're definitely notdesigned for maybe original
fans. And I I brought this up before
when we had initially talked about the new Daredevil show.

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Yes, that's correct. And, you know, it's, you know,
it's definitely made more for the original fans that
originally loved the Netflix series of Daredevil.
You know, while they still addeddead Daredevil into She Hulk,
which, you know, is the kind of Daredevil, you know, that a lot
of new fans and maybe people that aren't, you know, really

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acquainted with the character orthe original show, You know,
they're like, oh, OK, this is maybe a character I've heard of.
You know, this is the he's. Much more comic book accurate,
much more acrobatic. I mean, he's he's a he's a he's
a dog with the ladies. I can tell you that much.
He's he's the Matt he originally.
Let me tell you something beatsy.
I don't know if you've ever readany Daredevil, but he is
basically nobody had more girlfriends than Matt Murdock.

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Is the blindness like he was. He is the Mac daddy of the of
the Marvel comic books universe for sure.
And if you watch the episode of she Hulk, I mean, dude, the dude
is like, I mean like he's I mean, he's like, I don't play
for that team, but I mean, he's making a pretty good case for
it. You know what I mean?
I mean, I guess we're pretty similar then.
Probably. Yeah, right, right.

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Yeah, that's because The thing is, like, you, you think it for
the audience. You think it for like, who is
this for? Right.
Who is this for? Because I could tell you guys
straightforward right now, here and now, in the studio right
now, name a movie in which thereis an evil empire that's trying
to achieve galactic dominance, but the rebels that are fighting

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against it need to get a Droid with secret plans that could
topple that empire. And they need to get those plans
from that Droid to the rebels todefeat the evil Empire and their
leader in a black mask. What movie am I talking about?
Go on, what movie am I talking about?

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Star Wars? Which one?
The New Hope. What am I talking about Empire?
No, I'm talking about The Force Awakens.
Oh, OK, see. See what I mean?
It's the same story. I completely spaced out on that
I. I thought we were going back in
time to the old one. Yeah, I mean.
It's the same. BB8 Yeah.

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BB8 yeah, instead of R2 it's BB8instead of help me OB one.
You're my only hope. It's a map to Luke Skywalker,
right? So it's the same beat by beat by
beat, but it's a reboot 2 AT now.
There's a lot of things you can say about Star Wars that I will
defend passionately to my core. And I will sit there and say

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that The Force Awakens as a filmfor me, I liked it.
I liked it quite a bit. You know, I was kind of fun to
see everyone kind of come back. You can kind of see the
foreground of where this is all going, you know what I mean?
And then obviously I think at the core of like the Star Wars,
since we're talking about that, I've said it before and I'll say
it again. I don't think it's because
Disney, other than like Lucas, they don't know what Star Wars

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is supposed to be. Because you gentlemen were a
little bit younger when the Lucas like sequel, you know,
prequel trilogy's had come out, you know, and now they're
finding life with people that love those films.
That's on one of your lists, which we are going to get to
momentarily. How do you think that looking

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back on that? I mean, because you say like the
standard is these, the standard is these.
You know what I mean? How does that wash over you as
far as like the reboots and the retellings?
I mean, it doesn't always have to be Star Wars.
It can be Indiana Jones, but weirdly not Back to the Future.
Why do you think that is? I don't know, I kind of wanted
to like go touch on The Force Awakens a little bit because I

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honestly was pretty impressed with that movie given its time
as well. But just like going back to is
like the Disney George Lucas transition was just I mean, I'd
say as a Star Wars fan, like very, very like heartbreaking.
I mean, I don't know if anyone'sseen the clip, but as he's
signing the document, like he's like you can see it in his eyes.

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He's like signing his lifeway almost.
And I I find this like really general like common in a lot of
movies, honestly, is their transition of directors
anything. It's like they're trying to
replicate something that was so good that just cannot be
replicated. And so it's like it's really
cool to see the whole BB8 version this new, you know, Kylo

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Ren figure, right? Han Solo, son, you know, you'd
love to see the just the bloodline there, right?
I really actually kind of like that approach, but it's almost
just really like we're trying toreplicate something that was, in
my eyes, one of the greatest films ever created and one of
the greatest shows he's ever created as well.
So it, it's, it's like a yes andno thing with that.

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And it's just, it's, I don't know, it's hard.
Like that's why I really love the movie Andover a lot because
it's like, OK, like we haven't really touched on this before.
And now it's like we got this new entire new thing.
And that's one of honestly one of my favorite Star Wars movies
these days 'cause it's just so great.
You know, Chronic's plays such agood role in that.
It's just, I mean, it's a great,it's just a great overall movie
and it's just something we hadn't seen really are.

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You talking about for the Rogue One?
Well, yeah, Andor and Rogue One like.
So yeah, like, 'cause the the series for Andor was only two
seasons, correct? It was only two and it just
wrapped up. Yeah, I mean they're they're
both like I just like that just the Andor and Rogue One
combined. We had just not seen that,
right. Like Rogue One great movie,
Andor great. I mean, I guess not movie, but
like series. And it's just like they they

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combine in themselves and it's almost some beauty with that
because it's new and unique. You know, it's not this like,
OK, let's do this new generationof Sith and just kind of almost
same plot like you were saying so.
That's awesome, man. So without further ado, let's

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jump to your tears, man. What do you got for me today?
Are we going like, are we going like top five or?
Yeah, dude, give me your tears, man.
Like you have, you have this whole, like, thought process of
how you go over with movies and stuff like that.
And when it comes to like ranking them and stuff like
that, what would you go off of? Like your top five?
Let's start there. Like your top five movies, BT's

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top five movies. Let's start there.
OK. Yeah.
So yeah, like, Gee, feel free tojump in on this too, because
he's gonna have some thoughts, too.
Go ahead. Like I previously mentioned, I I
have cinema, personal and societal.
So I'll start off with I'm not going to go in order here.
I really cut in frankly. So I'm going to go with Social
Network. First one is this is a movie

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that's just almost strictly personal minus the cinema
aspect. I really love about it is Trent
Reznor and Atticus Finch do likeincredible to music and I listen
to that soundtrack quite often. Honestly.
It's it's really beautiful for anyone who hasn't listened to
it. And that for me just boosts the
movie incredibly. But I just love the movie
personally, just from someone who's aspiring finance and just

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like the just like obsession of business.
It's just really great to see like, you know, like Jesse
Eisenberg, great actor in my eyes.
I mean, obviously Andrew Garfield would love to see his
role like they threw in Justin Timberlake.
I mean, as Sean Parker. It's a great it's a great film
and it's just it's just like there's intensity with it and
it's just I overall I can followit pretty well.

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It just like gets me fired up, you know, so I deal with that
definitely up there like could could it be top three?
I don't I don't want to get intothat.
It can be a little difficult, but obviously, like I mentioned
at the beginning, I'm younger. So revenge of assists, like up
there for me. You know, that movie, that
opening scene, just Obi Wan Anakin getting on a on the
grievances I got. It's just so beautiful.

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There's just so many parts of that movie.
It can't even be described. Like I'd say for that it's I
mean not as societal impact as like let's go like the old
trilogies, but like it still hadsuch an impact on like society
or it's like, OK, wow, like thisis a new hit.
Like start like these trilogies,like it bounced, you know, but
just personal and cinema becausethat movie is so well, just the

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plot is so well thought out. The pace is just so excellent,
everything about it is just builds off of each scene so
beautifully, cuts into the next scene, so beautiful.
It's just a great movie overall and obviously the personal
enjoyment is right there for me too.
This honesty probably would be my number one if I could choose
Inception. Can't even get over how good of

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a movie that is. Hans Zimmer.
I have like a special place in my heart for, I mean, that
movie, I could turn it on like afew times a week.
I mean, I watch that. I try and watch it once a week.
It's just incredible. You know, you you pick up
something new every time you watch it.
It's not like for me, Tenet was really hard to follow and
Inception was easier to follow, but still very difficult to

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grasp. So it was like a little
challenging. It's like you watch a few times
and you pick up new things. So I love the challenge that's
presented through that movie. And it's just, I mean, it's
terrific. Just the time travel, just the
thought gone into the movie. I mean, the acting is just
incredible. Leonardo Dicaprio's absolutely
incredible in it. And it's just it's just an A
league of its own. I mean, it's just, it's.
Hard to come. It's hard to beat.

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Yeah, it's tough too. It's such a unique movie.
I'm gonna go Interstellar 2 movie.
Got 2 Nolan films in. There, Yeah, like, I mean,
Christopher Nolan, I'm a huge Christopher Nolan fan.
I should probably get that out there first, but I mean that
like I mean from the amount of accuracy that movie is on the
black hole. I don't know if anyone knows out
there, but that is like a almostaccurate black hole description.

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And so the the cornfield, Christopher Nolan planted that
entire cornfield and like boughtit and it's just such a
beautiful film and he does it soexcellent.
Just goes like this, like warp in time and just it's so it's
just so well done. I mean I Matthew McConaughey,
not my biggest actor fan, but I mean he's excellent in that.
So I mean I yeah, I don't know. I love that movie as well.

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Met 4 the the five. The 5th is the 5th is hard
because I could bounce the spot,quite frankly, but I'd probably
go another Nolan Dark Knight. I mean, that movie is just.
Go ahead, say what you're going to say IG.
No, I I can definitely tell. You can tell he's a Christopher

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Nolan fan. But I think The Dark Knight is a
very yeah, I think that's a veryobvious choice for a lot of
people because that movies was great.
Yeah. Why do you put it up there?
Why do you I mean? I could like, I don't know, I
want it like 3 Nolan movies. It's hard to say, but I mean,
just, I love he's such an amazing director.
The Dark Knight. I mean just I I mean through and

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through, it's just completely excellent.
Like just the opening, like the Joker is just that character is
truly incredible. And I don't know if anyone's
really done research about like how he prepared for that role.
But if you go look into it, it'slike he was spending nights in
hotel room in isolation trying to like understand like mental
illness and just like the amountof just like mental work done in

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that movie. I'm in the.
Devotion he brought to that role.
It's honestly quite sickening, but it's just incredible.
I mean, like I like I said again, like I love the pace of
movies as well and that's just really well paced.
Everything transitions into it. There's not really like a dull
moment. You know, some of these films
you watch and it's like this hasa great battle scene or this has
a great like great scene and there's there's a little like
just like blank, you know, like a good 30 minutes of just like

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conversation Dark Knights just it's gets you wrapped in from
the start to the finish and you're edge of your seat, you
know, so it's just an incrediblefilm.
I mean, Christopher Nolan got tosing his praises once again.
Like he makes an incredible movies Yeah.
And yeah, so I go top five. I could change it next week, but
just on on what I've watched most recently and from, you
know, like I said, like The DarkKnight, all all the offline was

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like societal impact. Obviously it's their personal
impact. It's there and cinema it's
there. So like that's that's really
hitting in all three. You know, I could I could really
say like it's not really only the one thing you could say
that's hitting on all three, like out of my top five,
because, you know, inception didn't really have that societal
impact. I mean, it's a great cinema
movie and it's a great personal movie for me, but I didn't
really have that, you know, societal impact to it.

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So it's just, I don't know, it'sjust incredible like that, that
movie overall. It's just it's really hard to be
so. What would you say is one that
has like a like the social network?
Like the societal impact was probably pretty much on your
list of like the most impactful because it narrated a very
specific point in time in which the world is kind of accustomed

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to now. Would you say that that would
probably have the most impact asfar as when you rank them
societal impact wise? Are we?
Are you mentioning the social network?
Yeah. I mean, I'd say yes and no.
It's like so like obviously it'sdifficult to talk about movies
because everyone has like their own specific taste.
And so for anyone that was really like in the workforce or

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just living like they're like best like let's get let's go mid
20s when around Facebook. Let's say you're you're in
college or you're just out of college when Facebook was
developed, then that's got to beup there for them.
You know what I mean? Because like you were there when
that you were like in the prime,you were the prime suspect for
Facebook. So like watching that movie and
seeing how it worked out and just all like the lawsuits and

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everything with Facebook and just seeing how it became one of
the most like Meta now, but one of the most, I mean, influencing
social media apps out there. I mean, it's just it's just
crazy that societal impact. But I guess the societal impact
I look at for movies is not it'sreally what that movie did for
society. OK, so it's like the concept of
Facebook obviously in that sensedid the most for society because

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it's it's Facebook every obviously everyone really knows
who Facebook is, but societal ismeaning like if I could touch on
like Empire. For example please.
Like Empire. I mean, like, I remember when I
was probably 7-8 years old, my dad like is wearing like an
Empire shirt, you know, and likeI'd go to my uncle's house and
he's he's got a poster up, you know, and it's just the amount

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of merchandise and how like public that became just wearing
just the amount of stuff that was just able to fall off of
that movie. It's just unreal.
I mean, there's not a lot of movies that have been able to do
what the original Star Wars trilogy like was able to do.
And it's just like it became, itbecame like a culture almost,
I'd say, like Star. Wars like a phenomenon, almost a
little bit. That's like I am so like that's

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hard to really, I mean be, you know, so like.
I got a movie that that is similar to that, that I always
say that I, I know IG and a few others have heard me talk about,
which was like, I always put Jaws up there with a societal
impact. You know, from what you're
describing it as, because it's the one movie that made
everybody terrified of the water.

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It, it made everybody, no one wanted anything to do with the
ocean when that movie came out. And it was a lot like Star Wars.
And this cultural impact that everybody went to go see is the
first summer blockbuster, you know what I mean?
This predates a lot of the the masses, you know, everyone
coming together to watch it, youknow what I mean?

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And like most of those other films that had that massive,
like, impact, everybody knows those two famous notes on the
piano for the theme song to Jaws.
I mean, that's, and you don't even see the thing.
It's not even the shark. It's the hint of the shark that
is terrifying. Once you see it.
Oh yeah, it's a shark for sure. But once you see that fin

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slicing through the water and you hear those notes on the
piano and you just get it. The message is 110% clearer.
And it it it's impacted everybody.
I mean, through horror, through cinema, through Steven Spielberg
for me is easily like how you'retalking about like Christopher
Nolan. That's how I feel for Steven
Spielberg. I mean, bringing ET and Indiana

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Jones and Jurassic Park, we're talking like the if there's like
a Mount Rushmore, everybody's Mount Rushmore is different of
like directors and stuff like that.
But I would say Jaws for me is probably the most impactful, you
know, film that you know, resonates on that level, you
know, because there's not many other like horror driven films
that make people that terrified of like the water and stuff like

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that. Obviously that movie wouldn't
work now because we know that wehave shark week once a year.
We know that sharks aren't like that.
We know that it's very much a film, but the performance is
sell it, the the acting sells it, the writing sells it, the
score and that way. I definitely put it up there for
that one. I think I agree with you, man,

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that, you know, Star Wars is probably maybe would you say IG
what would you say is one that'sa more societal impact, one of
of by today's standards? Feel free to chime in by the way
bud. I don't know.
I mean, there's because it seemsweird because when you talk

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about like with like movies, like, you know, with people
still wearing like shirts, stufffor like Empire and you know,
everybody knows Jaws and the music and stuff, you know, it's,
it's definitely because I feel like there's nothing new that
really has done that. Because you know, nowadays when
you have like new movies, especially ones, you know, that
are like you would consider blockbuster movies and stuff,

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you know, you've got, they always sell shirts and you know,
there's always toys and just everything that comes along with
those movies. So I mean, definitely Star Wars
and Jaws. And I would say Back to the
Future is definitely one that kind of, you know, they just,
you know, you still have people that are still fans years later

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and, you know, still rocking merchandise and, you know, they
still talk about it, reference it all the time, you know.
Would you say that it has any resemblance to like Marvel?
I think what would you say to that?
What would you 2 gentlemen say to that?
Because Marvel, I mean, that waskind of the standard, right?
I mean, everybody knows like thethe Infinity Saga, I mean,

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probably one of the most successful film franchises and
film properties. Would you agree with that?
Oh yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean,
absolutely. I mean, you're someone who's
gone me into comics a little bitmore.
And so when you. Throw in.
There you go. From the Marvel Comics into the
equation, then it gets like really interesting to compare
all three of those because Marvel has just done so much you

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know they they made like a few billion dollars off of Infinity
war and end game alone. And then you're you're thinking
about every single every single other Marvel movie made right,
and all the comics and just how like the action figures and all
all that stuff that everyone like growing up was like playing
with and honestly still are, youknow, so that that that's when
it comes trick. He said Marvel's done a lot.

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You know, they have done a lot, you know, even like, I mean Star
Wars in itself, but you go down to like Disney World or
Disneyland. They have these huge Marvel
worlds now, like Guardians of the Galaxy towers and
everything. It's just, I mean, it's just one
of those things that you can go up to literally anyone on the
stream be like, Oh yeah, Marvel,Star Wars, Jaws.
And they're like, yeah, it's like saying you know who Michael

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Jackson was, right? Or it's like it's.
That's like they paved the way for it, you know what I mean?
Like a. Staple.
I mean, it's a household name. Right.
So would you with those tiers, obviously your top five.
We had a great conversation about trilogy's as well.
We had a great conversation about trilogy's.
Where would you find yourself asfar as like BT's, trilogy's and

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how do you like look at like trilogy's like beginning, middle
and end? Because we can take certain
things out. Obviously certain movies, you
know, like you have, like The Hobbit, you have Lord of the
Rings, you have Back to the Future.
You got the Godfather in there. Then you got the Geezer Pleasers
with the Taken movies. Then you got, you know, all

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these The Dark Knight. You just said, you know, where
would you put that as, as your, as your trilogies, BT's
trilogies? Yeah, I was actually thinking
about this earlier and it was honestly pretty difficult
because when we were talking about a few days ago, I wasn't
even thinking about the Lord of the Rings and having a
conversation with a friend earlier today.
And I'm like, yeah, like that's probably in my top three,
honestly. Like the Lord of the Rings is

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so, and I mean, talk about society like the Lord of the
Rings, man, that that did a lot.Like, it's just like the Lord of
the Rings is the Lord of the Rings.
So it's, it's hard for me not togo Star Wars #1 still.
I mean, I'm a huge, like huge Star Wars fan.
So in. Your eyes, there's only one
routine, there's only one return, and it ain't of the
King, it's of the Jedi. Yeah, yeah, I like that.

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That's a good way to put it. Yeah.
I mean, it's just like, I mean, as someone who loves has been
playing with Lego since they were probably like four or five
years old too, building Lego sets, Lego Star Wars, It's just
like that's just they've they'veincorporated into the culture so
much as society. And I've just like I've been
I've been around Star Wars so much and it's just such a it's

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just it's just I don't know thatthat's very personal.
I mean, obviously, but it's justgot a such it's not such an
impact and it's just such a wellwritten like trilogy and it's
just George Lucas. I mean, obviously like is just
incredible with how he one came up with that like that concept.
I mean, I couldn't even really imagine grasping that just
sitting down at a pen and paper like, OK, there's going to be

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this like intergalactic going tohave this like ball in the sky
that's going to shoot lasers at planets like it's unreal.
So. Star Wars would be your number
one of the trilogy. I'd probably have to say yeah,
I, I actually, I, I put Lord of the Rings.
I think I too. That's just got some crazy fight
scenes. So like for me in movies, a

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fight scene doesn't make or break a movie, but it I love it.
So like yeah, Braveheart, great movie because of the fight
scenes. Gladiator.
I mean speaking my language. You speaking your language.
Gladiator, I mean against like the Barbarians open in Germany
that that's opening scene and Gladiator 1 is just it's just
incredible. I mean those scenes just make

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those movies, you know, it's just so the Lord of the Rings is
just it's just hard to beat for me.
I mean, it's just there there are so many just iconic moments
in those movies and it's just they did this like the precious
and just developed so much. Just cool character, a lot of
character dialogue. I mean, I love this, the
development of the characters. It's just really like just

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really well done trilogy in my eyes.
Can. I ask you, can I ask you a
question about it real quick before we move on?
Why didn't they just fly the giant eagles to Mordor?
No, actually I think about that quite often when I watch.
I don't know. I like, there's a few things in
that movie that I was just like,all right, like, but I mean,

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yeah, I don't know. It's just there.
It's I'm just fucking with you, buddy.
I know. Yeah.
It's like I'm just saying there's, there's a little bit
there. There's a little.
Bit yeah, there's, there's, there's a little, there's some
parts, but it's, it's just, it'sso great in my eyes all.
Right, so you got so you got your two, you got Star Wars, you
got Lord of the Rings. What would number?
Three be I'm going to go #3 I don't know if I could go #3 in

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order, but I want to say I mean I want to start speaking from
societal. I've I've talked a lot about
personal, but like societal, there's a lot of trilogies I'm
looking down here and they're just they're just really good.
So Indiana Jones I love personally, but that societal is
just like unreal. And so that movie is just that.

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I mean like Last Crusade, I meanthe Raiders, like those, those
are so good. So I'd have to probably, I mean,
I have it right there with like two others like I have there
with the Back to the Future and like The Godfather.
And it's just really hard because like those all kind of
go hand in hand for me. But from like a societal point
of view, I mean, Indiana Jones is just so iconic.

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It's just like the music, I meanthe character, it's just like it
brings you into this like a sense of adventure.
It's like it's engaging, it's unique, and it's just, it's just
a classic. You know, it's just one of those
things where you're sitting there like, OK, like I'm going
to show my kids in 30 years, Indian gems.
They're probably going to look at me like, this guy's crazy.

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I'm like, you're sitting here and watching all three of them.
Like, I don't, I don't care. Like you're watching them.
And, you know, I could speak on itself like the new one.
But just like good. All the trilogy is just, I
think, excellent. Have you have you seen them IG?
Not. What?
Yeah, no, that's all. That's all our list of movies
for this guy, because I never I could never get into it.

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Like I've been like suggested toinsult because it's you're
probably going to be upset with this too, both of you.
But like like Lord of the rings and stuff, never really got into
it. Could barely like I've watched
bits and pieces of these movies,but I like it.
Just can never sit down and watch them through completely.
OK, all right, Movies are subjective.
You're wrong, but movies are subjective.

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All right. OK, well, we're going to circle
back to that one. OK, All right, here.
Can please continue. Please continue.
I mean, I'm not agreeing. With you Indie is great indie.
The original indie is great. It had the love interest for the
first one, it had the father sonin the second one, then it had
the father and actual son in thethird one.
But please continue. No, yeah, I hits on all
perspectives and like I said, like I feel like I'm really

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talking about it enough. But for me, music in movies is a
lot. It's like, so soundtracks is
something I love. So I think that also is what
really ties into that because that's such iconic music.
You know, that I, we used to work at a water park in high
school and there's literally oneof the rides there that uses
that music. So it's like we talked about
like a water park like that was not even built when the movie

(35:27):
was made and now it's using thatmusic, right?
So it's, yeah, it's just unreal.I could get into Back to the
Future, honestly, quite a bit, because there's a lot I actually
did a paper on in college about this, and there's a lot more to
impact than what meets the eye with that movie.
It's like please. Elaborate.

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I want to hear this. So this may be a reach.
I'm going to try my best to explain it, but my basically the
premises of my paper was unpacking this movie from its
core. So it's obviously we all for
people know like back to the future perimeter.
It goes back in time, right? But what I want to talk about is
when he goes back in time, the the scene that's portrayed in

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front of him is this seen like that was really depicted in like
what? Like what was the 1980s?
Or I mean, like, so that was these white picket fences, neat
yards, perfect flowers, bright colours, right.
And. He went back to 1955.
That's what you're talking about, right?
Yeah. And go on when he's like when he

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goes back to that time period, right, right after the war, or I
should say right after, But likethat's what everyone expects.
Like that was the United States.This was white picket fences and
on honestly, the movie portrays predominantly white.
So it's this predominantly whitecommunity with white picket
fences, colorful clothes, driving fancy cars, everything's
this picture perfect almost society.

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And obviously in the future it'snot like that like necessarily.
So like that's what I really like like to grab that movie.
And I watched it again after I wrote that paper and I was like,
wow, it takes you in this time of perfection.
And there's so much you can unpack with what is portrayed in
that 1955 realm and just how everything is just.

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And then everything changes. Like when he like, obviously
like talks to his dad. And so it's just really, I don't
know, like the movie in itself is excellent.
But once I got that perspective of it a few months ago, it
really just upped it because I'mlike, this director was so
thoughtful with what he was going after, right?
He he was tying into the time oflike, because like after the

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war, right, the everything, World War 2 just left everything
in shambles. So everyone was like, OK, let's
rebuild the United States like this, get this perfect society.
And it's just like just it's, it's so like so well done and so
well thought out, you know, withthat perspective, it's like he
was he was making a film and hiding this deep societal impact

(37:57):
in it. So that just, I mean, if there's
a lot to impact with that movie,but that that in itself, like I
just really love those movies and how they depict this like
perfect nature, right? And it's just, I think it's
really cool and that so. Yeah, man, I always loved, I
always loved the the message andthat the message is clear.
The concept of time travelling is like near impossible to

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describe, you know, but they explain it to you perfectly.
They explain it to you perfectlythat it's like one minute into
the future and when you're there.
And of course, like you get aside from like the trilogy that
is, you know, Back to the Future.
The first one has that place as far as where he came from and

(38:39):
how like the funny little one note jokes.
Biff is still an asshole. His dad is still spineless and
he does various things to kind of alter that and change that,
you know, and it's become like acultural phenomenon.
And I think that watching that now, like going back and re
watching it of like, wow, like this is really the kind of the

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the changes with the times and stuff like that.
Because to your point, you see, the message is very clear, this
is the 50s, this is, you know, atime where we are rebuilding.
And for him, it's completely like changed.
It's completely changed his outlook of like what life was

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like back then. I love it man.
That's awesome, dude. No, yeah.
It's like, I mean, as someone who's going into real estate
development too, like how they portray like the typical
American household too, I mean, that in itself, just the
building architecture and the whole setup on that, it's just
like they nail it perfectly, youknow?
So it's just it's yeah. I mean, that's yeah.

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I mean after like I would have probably said that a different
answer like a while ago, but after that just.
All right, what's next? Next is hard because I've never
I mean personally, I've never really gotten into the
godfather. I almost made me IG and Lord of
the rings, but like that movie is I mean not the that trilogy

(40:04):
is just like in like it. It's almost in its own category,
right? So like.
Like doing some research beyond it, like, and I'm getting an
unbiased opinion is like that, like that is that is a peer
cinema societal trilogy, right? And it's just, there's so much
to unpack with that. And so I mean, that's right up

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there with the Batman because the Batman, that trilogy just
speaks for itself. Almost like I mean it's like you
have the Batman Begins sets the stage right.
It just leaves on the platter for these next two movies to
just clean it up and it just bounced off each other.
And it's just Christian Bale I love as an actor and he

(40:44):
literally nails that part betterthan anything Christopher Nolan
on even like said it on like AI think actually podcast one time
that his his proudest moment wasthe plain scene in The Dark
Knight rises and that all was filmed.
It's just incredible. And so those are really hard to
go hand in hand because like a lot of people would argue that

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the societal and cinema wise, the godfather out beats.
But for me, combining the personal, societal and
cinematic, like my tier list, I'd say the Batman's got to take
it just because it's just truthfully like, I mean, it's,
it's pretty close to perfection,you know it.
It. Oh yeah, I'd agree with that.
Yeah, it's, I mean the the the the villains antagonist.

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It's just, it's just Bane. I mean, well, so well done,
Joker. So well done.
I mean, it's just hard to beat so.
Who would you say is The Who Would you say the main?
Because the villain and the first one is is arguably what?
Doctor Crane? Scarecrow more like the city you
more like kind of like setting the stages for eventually
everything that will become you know, because Batman Begins to

(41:51):
me it blows my mind that the death of a franchise was Batman
and Robin those George Clooney Crystal Donald Arnold
Schwarzenegger, Uma Thurman, Alicia Silverstone.
That movie killed that franchise.
That was the last movie that Bobcame, the creator of Batman saw
before he tragically passed away.

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And then less than a decade later, like less than a decade
later, we get Batman Begins isn't that fascinating, like the
market to sell toys and stuff like that.
But the groundedness of what Batman Begins really brought to
me, I was like, this validates everything because I've been
reading comic books my entire life.
And to see that portrayed on thescreen with Raj al Ghul or

(42:33):
Rachel al Ghul, if you will, forall the comic book fans out
there, the idea of one man trying to create a difference
and one man, you know, trying tobe, you know, a symbol, You
know, I don't think that there'sreally anything that kind of
comes close to that. If you were to rank all, all of
those in like the The Dark Knight trilogy, you would
probably, I'm guessing you probably, you both would

(42:54):
probably put like with The Dark Knight at #1 I'm guessing.
Yeah, yeah. And where would you put, where
would you put the rest of them at as far as like ranking?
I mean, Dark Knight Rises goes #2 for me.
Really though. OK, what about you?
I, I'm the same. I mean, I'm, I, I'm a huge Bane

(43:15):
fan personally. Like I love, I love this
character. And honestly, The Dark Knight
Rises is honestly one of my favorite movies like back in
all. I mean, it's not top five, The
Dark Knight takes it, but it is one of my favorite movies
because Bane is just such a like, I mean, the thing I love
about Christopher Nolan's villains is they're so unique
and it's just nothing like you've ever seen in a villain

(43:37):
before. So Bane and the Joker are just
incredible. So like Bane and I mean they're
just, it's like he did them bothso well.
So it's so hard for me to like put like The Dark Knight Rises
like below anything else, you know what I mean?
It's like just like just for thevillain aspect for me
personally. It's funny because I mean, I
know like you've said, like getting into comic books and

(43:59):
stuff like that, because Bane inthe comics is not anything like
he's portrayed in The Dark Knight Rises, you know, which is
really fascinating. They took various elements from
the comic books. They took a lot of stuff from
Nightfall. They took some things from one
of the comic books that's on display behind you.
They took some stuff from Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns

(44:20):
from it. They took elements of quite a
bit of that from it. So it was more for me in the
sense of a film display and the film display of a adaptation,
you know, because the Joker, theclown Prince of crime, I mean,
all the way back to like Cesar Romero, you know, and Jack
Nicholson and Jared Leto and, you know, you, you have the

(44:43):
different versions, but the standard is pretty clear.
It's pretty high up there that Heath Ledger's portrayal, you
know, essentially just beats outmost of the Jokers based purely
on how unique he was and how, like, captivating he was as far
as his performance goes. So but you would put Bane above
him, huh? Above the Joker, no, I don't.

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I wouldn't say necessarily honestly.
Like it's that's where it comes in hard for me because like
trying to take an unbiased opinion on just like the movies
as a whole, just the amount of preparation done behind the
Joker character and the amount of mental strain.
I think that in itself is the best villain ever because that

(45:29):
preparation for that role and just the sick it the sickness
like mentally of the Joker character is just so like in its
own world, right? Like like Darth Vader, obviously
very iconic film, but like the mental sickness and just emotion
that's running through the Jokerand just how twisted that is
rather than just like big like whereas Bates this like big,

(45:51):
like just scary guy with like noreally emotion, right.
Joker is just so freaky, so scary, so well thought out and
so well like done. I just like it.
I I think there's nothing no villain like that out there.
And it's just like, I mean, justlike looking into the

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preparation of the role and justobviously the mental toll took
on that role on it's just in itsown category for me.
So I, I can't can't put anythingabout the joke just because just
because of that, but. Yeah.
Do you ever, do you ever see theinterview of Tom Waits?
Have you ever seen that interview?
You ever seen, you know what I'mtalking about at all?
I. Think so?

(46:31):
Yeah, there's. This neo gothic rock star Tom
Waits and he does an interview and he sounds Heath Ledger
modelled the dialogue and the vocal tone off of Tom Waits.
For everybody out there, just look up Tom Waits interview and
you'll know exactly where the voice kind of came from.

(46:55):
The origin of that voice came from with Heath Ledger's
portrayal. And it is sad that it kind of,
you know, he he's no longer withus, you know, and a lot of
people there was always that debate and question of like,
what would the trilogy have looked like if if Heath Ledger
was still around? You know what I mean?
Because that's a whole other conversation to have of like,
would the movies have been different?

(47:16):
Would the movies have had a different tone, a different
approach? Because it kind of ends, you
know, open-ended, you know what I mean?
Without the end of The Dark Knight, Obviously you, you
assume that the Joker got got captured and poof, then it kind
of like disappears and goes into, you know, The Dark Knight
Rises. Would you say that with all of

(47:38):
the, the tears and all of your personal opinions as far as
movies go, one thing that's 100%clear that I want you to, I want
to encourage you on is that movies are subjective.
You know what I mean? Movies like your favorite movie
could be someone's worst movie. His.
I mean, I am, I am stunned. I want to go back to this real
quick. Is it something that was with

(47:59):
you IG that Indy just didn't resonate with you?
I'm just so fascinated by that because that is like it was an
amalgamation of a brainchild between Lucas and Spielberg, you
know, and the idea of wanting todo a James Bond S style
character. And then you kind of get the
amalgamation of both Spielberg and Lucas together.

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And then you get a real sweet James Bond nod in the second
one, Temple of Doom, which is myfavorite one, by the way.
I mean KU kwan amazing this short round.
And then you actually get the full circle when Sean Connery
comes in and they actually get to use a former James Bond, the
James Bond. Where did that hit with you?
It was just something that you never, you know, had an interest

(48:44):
in. Did you ever try to sit down and
watch them? I, I tried, I think because I
was much definitely younger whenI tried watching it and it was a
problem that I had even with theStar Wars movies originally
because I liked Star Wars and growing up I watched like the
Clone Wars and stuff, you know, but I never quite, you know,
found an interest in it. It wasn't until I was a little

(49:07):
older that like even with Star Wars, I actually started to sit
down, watch and everything. I got super into it.
I just wanted to learn more and more, wanting to watch all the
new stuff and everything. And so I guess maybe I just
never tried. I think that's what happened
with Indiana Jones, but I never went back to try and watch it.
So now that you have it on my list, I want to go back and

(49:29):
watch the movies. Maybe I'll actually really like
them. I.
Think I. Don't.
Or maybe I just won't because I'm surprised that I never
really liked it because I also Idon't know if it's still the
same. Did you watch Uncharted, the new
movie of? Course I played the games.
Yeah, I mean, I played the gamestoo, and I I like the movie.
I mean, I don't think the movie was nearly as good as, you know,

(49:50):
maybe the games. Is that 'cause it's Tom Holland?
Well, I don't know. I I think.
Just you can try to. I mean, I, I don't know, I'm not
a huge, I'm not a huge Tom Holland hater, but I'm not a
huge lover either. But yeah, I mean, I don't really
love that rule for Tom Holland and Uncharted personally.
That's, that was kind of what I found some reservations on and

(50:14):
it was just kind of like, I likeTom Holland as this like Peter
Parker character, almost like this kind of like nerdy, just
like, and then he's an Uncharted.
I'm like it like this is just like, I don't know, it's hard
for me to wrap my head around personally.
So. Right, right.
OK, continue. You good?
Yeah. I mean, I think they liked that.
I think they wanted to try to get bigger actors into that
movie, to maybe take it off, letit take off and hopefully it'll

(50:40):
succeed. I don't think it was nearly as
good, but I do like that kind ofstyle.
Like the swashbuckling adventure?
Yeah, I do kind of like that. So I'm surprised that I never
got into Indiana Jones, but because like, even with the new
one, I, I was tempted to go and see that in theaters, but I I
never did. Well, that's the wise decision,
because if you're going to startwith Indiana Jones, you want to

(51:01):
start with the original stream. I would watch the the new one
and not watch the originals, butI'm like so I don't know, maybe
it's just something I have to actually go back and sit down
and watch which I'm going to of.Course for sure.
You know, we'll have to circle back on what I think of those
movies. So.
Because I have a feeling I'm notgonna like them very much.

(51:23):
Really. Yeah.
For some reason I just don't think I am, but I could be
wrong. Are you are you stunned over
there, bud? I'm.
Yeah, I mean, I'm stunned, honestly.
Yeah, what this is what this is brought up honestly, what I've
noticed lately for a lot of my friends as well as I think this
transition to completely digitalized movies has

(51:43):
completely changed the viewers on movies.
Like it used to be like, OK, I'mgoing to go.
I remember watching Infinity Warin the movies.
That was one of like, because that was like one of the last
movies. I think I like, like when I was
consistently going to movies, I was the one of the last ones I
watched and it was electric. And now it's like you go try and
watch the Minecraft movie and there's people throwing live
chickens in there and just popcorn all you over you and

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it's like, what is it gone to? You know, it's like something, I
don't know, these streaming platforms, Netflix and Disney
now it's like everyone's just watching them at their house and
it just takes away the and powerthe movies.
Like do you guys remember Red Box?
Yes. Yeah, like like red box, like
when you got a red box, you see that disc and you were like
excited to throw it in. Now it's like I open my phone
and I can turn on like Unchartedand it's like, OK, cool, here's

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here's a Tom Holland movie abouthim just running wild through
the. And it's like, so I feel like
that, I mean, it's kind of taking all the way a little
little like bit of it because it's like, oh, I'll just like
turn on this movie. And it's just that it is what it
is, right. It's.
Fascinating that you say that because you're talking to
somebody that used to, like, throw elbows to get seats.

(52:49):
I mean, you guys have it good where you can reserve seats in
theaters and stuff. And going to the theater back in
the day, it was like a monumental event.
You know, you had to get there early.
You had to look at, you know, the movie times, what movie you
were going to go see. And the impact part of that is
that when you're in line, you'reinstantly friends with whoever's
in line in front of you. Like, especially if you're going

(53:09):
to see a film, you're like, Oh my God, you like this movie too.
That's awesome. Friends for life.
Bam. And then you get there.
Then you had to try to save the seats too.
You had to try to save the seats.
And then if you didn't get thereearly, you had to sit right up
against the screen and watch it with it and your necks all
fucked up for the rest of the day.
But you do bring up an excellentpoint of that it is an event.
Going to the movies is an actualevent.

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And when it's displayed for likeIndiana Jones, when it's
displayed for a Star Wars or it's displayed for like a
Christopher Nolan film, there iscertain elements of like it's a
cinematic experience, right? Like you want to go to the
movies to experience something that you have to see on the big
screen. And you 2 wouldn't remember

(53:55):
this, but like Jurassic Park, Jurassic Park, early days, it
was like, this is insane and it still holds up and it still
holds up as one of the greatest cinematic achievements of all
time. And when it comes to, like you
mentioned, Minecraft, do you think that it's just like the
absence of it? Or do you think that I can stay
at home and watch it or it'll beavailable on a platform

(54:17):
eventually? Where do you think that like
kind of dropped because you're aguy that loves movies, right?
I mean, where do you think that dropped from?
I mean, from personally, like I have a lot of friends where it's
just like, OK, like, why would Ilike go spend money?
And I mean, I think we can all admit that like with the digital
world, shopping, you name it, why would I go out and do

(54:38):
something when it could be at mydisposable in the comfort of my
own home? So I feel like that's a lot of
people's concepts these days. It's like, OK, why would I go
shop when I can go pull up Etsy and shop for something on my
phone sitting in my living room,you know?
So it's like I feel like that initself has just changed like
this, like society, look at everything.
So now it's like, now it's like,Oh yeah, there's a great movie.

(55:01):
Like, I mean, I love the movie Tron.
So Tron Aries, I'm going to go see.
But it's like, it used to be even a few years ago when I was
going to movies like an event like you were mentioning.
And it's just like everyone's waiting in line.
It's getting published all over,all over social media and
everything. Everyone's talking about it and
it's like, OK, like we're like excited to go see like see this.
And now it's just like, Oh yeah,I'll watch the Formula One movie

(55:22):
when it comes on to Apple TV. But like, I'm not going to go
spend my afternoon sitting in a theater with a bunch of randoms.
You know, I have a lot of friends that like, say that
they're like, why would I want to go sit in a ice cold theater
with a bunch of random people when I could just go sit and
watch it in my basement? I'm like, I mean, because
they're missing the event, right?
Yeah, You know, it's something to look forward to.
I would say that the biggest onefor me while we're talking about

(55:45):
movie movie events is as we start to wrap this episode up
for me, I mean, I have mine in my head.
I know exactly what it was and Iknow exactly where I was.
But I want to hear from you 2 gentlemen.
What was your big like cinema event?
Was it was it Infinity War? Was it end game?
What was yours BT? I mean, I want to say Infinity

(56:07):
War off the top of my head. I'm not going to lie, I was
probably 8 years old, but I remember sitting out in line
with my parents and my best friend at the time.
And I don't, I couldn't tell youwhat we were seeing, but I
remember sitting there, we had like a thing of popcorn and me
and my friend were like looking at each other.
The doors open and it was like we're like we're about to get on
like a ride of D, which is or something like it was just like,

(56:31):
I mean, it was, it was, it was, it was an event, right?
So like, I couldn't really tell you what I was watching.
Probably wasn't anything like that crazy.
But it was just the fact that I was 8 years old and I was at
like the time of my life. But yeah, Infinity War.
I mean, I, I went to that with my buddies and I just remember
sitting there like, this is good.
Like what? And so like it just is way

(56:53):
different watching it in person.You know, if I were to watch
that online, I'd be like, this is a good movie, but I'm sitting
there watching on my TV on my couch.
It's just a way different experience.
And I don't think a lot of people recognize that these days
that they're missing half the experience.
Like half of the experience is being in the theater watching
it, that surround sound, just like, I mean, I watch Dunkirk.
On IMAX I loves Christopher Nolan.

(57:16):
Dumb Curse, an excellent movie. I mean, I watched that in IMAX
and I was like, oh hell yeah. Like this is an event.
Like it. It was sweet.
I mean, I've watched it. I watched it a few weeks ago in
my family room and I was like, OK, yeah, I still love it in
Christopher Nolan movie. I still love it, but it wasn't
like watching it in the IMAX forthe first time, you know, so.
All right, all right, man. What about Uig?

(57:36):
I mean. Definitely Infinity War and and
game definitely take their placehigh up on my like level of
events for movies. But like I, I remember we went
to go see, you know, the Transformers movies and theaters
growing up and I was always so fun.
And you know, especially when you go see when, when we went to

(57:57):
see something like that, you know, we did we, they had the
like different options. You know, you have just the
standard. Then they had the 3D movies
where you would go and you put on the glasses and stuff.
You know, now that we have like IMAX and some of the like Dolby
studio theatres that have the just great quality already and
everything in the surround sound, you know, it makes it

(58:18):
definitely in a much different event.
But even then, you know, I lovedstanding outside of the theaters
and, you know, waiting in line, waiting for the previous movie
to end. And then you as everybody's
walking out, you're walking in to see the next movie and, you
know, you just go. I mean, I waited with my family.

(58:39):
We would just get a bunch of popcorn, snacks, soda, and then,
you know, if we had the 3D glasses, you know, my favorite
part of like the trailers was when they told you put get ready
to put on your 3D glasses and stuff.
And I love, I love that growing up so much.
Oh man. See, for me, my I remember my

(59:00):
like first big like theater likeexperience.
That was just something that waslike a cultural phenomenon, like
a cultural impact. I remember when Star Wars
Episode 1, Star Wars Episode 1 and the rumblings were clear,
you know, going through the 80s and the 90s and you see the

(59:22):
indie movies, the re release of Star Wars, you see all of them.
But I'm going to tell you something, gentlemen, wait in
line to see Star Wars Episode 1.And this is pre Internet, pre
social media, early days Internet, I should say.
But it was very, very obvious that it was electric and it was

(59:47):
massive. You know, you smell the popcorn,
you know, the fresh popcorn, just like pop, pop, pop, pop,
pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. And it's like turning and you
can, you can hear the soda and the vending machines, you know,
rocking. You can smell the hot dogs.
You can smell the nachos. And you can hear the bubbling
of, like, the carbonation, right?
And then you get your stuff, you're in line, you're ready to

(01:00:08):
go, and the doors are closed. And like I said, you had to get
there early if you wanted to seeit.
And then they open up the doors,and this movie's not starting
for, like, 15 more minutes. But you immediately go in, you
get your seat, and you're like, OK, you got your popcorn, you
got the soda. OK, everyone's good to go.
OK, good, good, good. Now we're waiting.
We're waiting. And I got to tell you guys
sitting there and the theater ispacked.

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People were sitting in the aisleways dressed up as Jedi's and,
and, and outfits from like Toys-R-Us and Sears, you know,
real like Halloween quality stuff had the plastic
lightsabers. People made their own costumes.
People were wearing makeup just to go see episode 1.
And then you sit there and you and then everyone gets that same

(01:00:52):
feeling, that event that you're talking about when you're
sitting there in the theater. And like I said, you can smell
everything ever. It's electric, the energy.
And all of a sudden the lights start to dim and the screen like
crops a little bit. And you know, the movie's
starting. That was one of the craziest.
Like, like this is real. You know what I mean?
You can feel the excitement. You can feel the nervousness of

(01:01:16):
like what this movie is going tobe, how it's going to be, how
it's going to be received and stuff like that.
The Star Wars episodes one was one of the biggest ones that I
think I was a part of. To see it like come back, you
know, and to be there for the originals, to be there for
Indiana Jones, to be there through the 90s and see like,
you're, you know, Titanic was a big one too.

(01:01:37):
That was a massive one. That was like a cultural impact.
It still hasn't been made. We have a dozen movies on World
War 2, but we only have one Titanic, which is kind of fun to
think about. But yeah, I think that, you
know, when it comes to like going to the theater, it is a
bummer because that to me, you know, kind of going back in time
here, that was like the saddest thing during COVID.

(01:01:59):
That was like one of the saddestthings I can remember during
COVID when the movie theater shut down and I was just like,
seriously, like, that's like, I,I know the world is being
plagued by this awful virus and everything, but God damn it, if
Vin Diesel's Bloodshot is the last thing that I see in the

(01:02:19):
theater, you know how upset I'm going to see?
It's just like, Oh my God, you know how like I'm crushed.
I'm so crushed, you know what I mean?
But yeah, I think that there's something really unique about
that. There's something unique and
there's something profound. And I think that when you deal
with like, people like us that love movies and love going to

(01:02:39):
these and seeing them opening night or opening weekend,
there's just a feeling that you get that you're not really going
to ever get again, you know? And before we wrap this up, I
just wanted to get your opinion real quick.
Would you put Christopher Nolan IG on your Mount Rushmore of
like directors? I would say so, yeah.

(01:02:59):
I think he definitely sets high up on there.
You know I love. Do you have a favorite
Christopher Nolan film? I mean.
Aside from the Batman ones. Aside from the Batman movies, I
think Interstellar probably takes my favorite.
Interstellar. OK, Yeah, all righty.

(01:03:20):
Yeah, took me a while to actually sit down and watch
through that movie, but after I did, I'm like, you know, this
was actually really good. I love this movie.
All right, what about you, boss?I mean, it's got the inception.
Inception still still holds there.
Yeah. It's.
You're a thinker, you know, you kind of.
I like how you kind of like think about it, you know, and.
Everything it's just like, I mean it's hard because like from

(01:03:41):
like if I from the movie critic standpoint, if I were to answer
that question from Christopher Nolan, I'd say The Dark Knight
just because it's hit like on all three hedges, right, like
societal, like I was mentioned, but inception, just pure cinema.
It's like I'd say like a 99. You know, I don't think anyone
anything really deserves 100% and these other ones are like in
the 90s, right, Christopher Nolan's, but they're not 90

(01:04:03):
nines right. So it's like pretty like the
football fans out there to play Madden or something like the 99
overall is the best in the game,right?
So like that's just a 99 overallcinema movie and it's like a
9899 personal liking. So like it's just so well done,
so well thought out and it's just such a crazy concept.
That's I mean, the combination of Christopher Nolan and Hans

(01:04:24):
Zimmer is just like Dwyane Wade and LeBron James, you know, like
it's just unbeatable. It's like a camp of those guys
on the same roster, right? So it's just Hans Zimmer.
I mean, I mean, I can't say enough about Hans Zimmer.
I mean, we'd have to do a whole another episode for soundtracks.
But that combination, just how the music ties in.
I mean, the movie time. I mean the song time in that

(01:04:47):
soundtrack I listen to probably once twice a day.
And I could I feel like I could write like and the next equation
is solved. Lunar landing, honestly, just
like it gets me so motivated. So if anyone wants some extra
motivation, go through on time. Hans Zimmer.
But yeah, I know that it's just inside.
It's got to be Inception. OK, so let me ask you this.
You brought inception of last question before we get out of

(01:05:10):
here and before we wrap this up.Thank you gentlemen for being
here. By the way, did he wake up at
the end of Inception? Did he wake up?
Did. He wake up or is it a dream?
That's like such a debatable thought.
I mean, I want to go like, I mean, I honestly would love to

(01:05:35):
hear what a Christian one has tosay about that, but I Chris.
If you're listening, man, let usknow.
Let us know what I mean. Let us know I'm.
Gonna I want to go wake up just I like so like I would say I
want to go wake up mainly because I've watched the I mean,
I've watched a movie dozens of times, but I will always that's
always been training my mind is that he woke up.

(01:05:56):
So like if I were to like, it's almost like training your mind
to think something else. So it's like I have to train my
mind to think that it that it was all a dream.
Do I think that in my back of myhead every day, every time I
watch it? Absolutely.
But one, do I want it? Do I want that ending to have
him wake up? Yeah.
So, you know, it's just something I've always kind of
since the first time I watched it, like how he woke it up and I

(01:06:16):
was like whether he did my, my mind's, my mind's, you know, I
mean little. What do you call those little
little thing you spin on the table with?
The tops, yeah. Like the top, I mean, top was
top was sitting there and I'm just like, OK, yeah, it's awake.
No, I'm also very like happy ending movie fan.

(01:06:37):
So I'd love to see the kids and just reunition at the end of the
week, so. See, I think, I don't think he
woke up because what was the final kick?
Yeah, when he was in. Because they kept doing the
kicks back and back and back, but then all of a sudden when
they're in the city and then in the car, it immediately cuts and

(01:06:59):
he's up, He's waking up on the plane.
No, yeah, because he's still like, I mean, they're giving him
oxygen in the van. So you mean you are right.
But we're now we're just gonna, we're just gonna continue to lie
to myself. You know what I mean?
So, I mean, because he was. I don't know.
Yeah. I mean, let's just go with you.
Woke up I guess. We'll go with you.

(01:07:19):
Woke up I. Mean, yeah, I mean he sitting in
the back of the van with no oxygen, probably, probably not
gonna probably wasn't waking up,but.
Right, all right man well hey BTthank you so much for being here
IG thank you gentlemen so much for being here man.
This has been fun man. I know you're kind of like an
eclipse you're going to go off to you're going to go off to

(01:07:40):
college back to college and maybe we'll hear from you again
definitely within the near future.
I want to thank you for being here buddy.
Thank you so. Much for sure it's been a time I
love talking. Maybe it's hopefully, hopefully
the listeners out there don't disagree with the takes too
much. You know, trying my best out
here guys got give me the benefit of the doubt do.
You have anybody you want to give a shout out to before we
get out of here, boss? I I honestly shout out to my dad

(01:08:03):
because we always watch movies growing up together.
He got me into the old Star Wars.
He's just, he introduced me to all that Indiana Jones,
everything like that, obviously,and can't say the same for him,
but that's all right. He's going to he's going to get,
he's going to get to him. I love.
Yeah. I don't know, I guess shout out

(01:08:25):
to him for always for always getting me in the movies.
All right, What about you IG? Are you going to shout out
anybody, maybe the audience let them know that you will watch
indie, Indie. All three, yes.
I promise I will watch Indiana Jones.
I promise will happen. I'm not promising anytime soon,
but it will happen. All righty.

(01:08:46):
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