TCOE!#95 OC, Mwaves & Curly pt3

OC welcomes back two great dudes! Mwaves and Curly are back to talk all about the Anime Culture once again!! Thanks for listening!!

Episode Transcript

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Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Core of
Entertainment hosted by me, The OC.
This is an audio only podcast available on Apple and available
on Spotify. And today is Wednesday.
It's the middle of the week. It's hump day.
And I have an episode that I believe will get you through the
rest of the week and onto the week and maybe even have some
good recommendations for the weekend, maybe to watch, maybe

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to indulge yourself in. And here to do that at the Core
of Entertainment, we have two return voices. 2 Return voices
to pillars here at the core of entertainment on Apple and
Spotify every Monday and every Wednesday.
But you know the voices. You can create what these two
gentlemen may look like in your head because they are familiar,

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They are fun. They are two true, honest guys
that are filled with integrity, filled with passion.
You can teach just about anything to anybody, but what
you can't teach is passion. And I'd like to welcome back One
M Waves and Curly, the Weeb twins.
What's going on, boys? How are you guys?

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How are you guys? Back No dude, you guys.
Glad to be back. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I didn't get rid of the chairs. I didn't get rid of the chairs,
no. I did not.
The chairs, they're coming. For right, Yeah, I.
Mean I could do it without the chairs.
No, man. So I told people that I updated
the studio space. Like, you didn't get rid of the
chairs, did you? I'm like, yeah, asshole.
I'm still here too, man. Alright.

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You're like, yeah, we just everyone.
Shows people. Come on man, come secondary to
the chairs. Oh, I'm aware.
Trust me. And that's why that's apparently
why a lot of people keep coming back.
It's for the. Chairs, man, they're like, oh, I
feel so relaxed. I have to go back for the
chairs. Right.
And you, dude, it supports the lumbar, cradles the coccyx.
Oh yeah, centers the back, man. It's all about the coccyx.
It's all. About that man.
So what you boys been up to, what you guys been doing?

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It's been a while since you guyshave been back down to the to
the to the studio space and the official studio space.
Official space, yeah. What have you guys been
watching? What have you guys been doing?
Fire Force, Yeah. We've been watching some fire
force recently. OK, now bear in mind, so they
know you guys, the people that will hear this episode, they'll
look at and Waves and Curly, they know who you guys are.

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Oh yeah, they know your voices. But every episode is somebody's
first episode. So set the stage a little bit.
You guys are into anime. Demon Slayer, One Piece, Dragon
Ball, One Punch Man, Fire Force.Yeah.
Let's set the stage. What's it about?
What's gravitating you guys to that fire?
Force, what's it about? Oh, it's a kid that was bullied,

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man hated I think is actually the loathed, not loathed hated.
What's the right term? And I'd say he's hated because
it's very similar to Naruto in away where he's kind of shunned
by everybody. And on top of that, the
animation is very top tier. And he's looking for a place.
Yeah, he is. He is the So the storytelling is

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really good. Loses me personally a little bit
on like the pervy side of things.
But when you can look past that part of it, I think that is a
really good big show. I think every anime creator has
to throw a little bit of perv inthere always.
I don't. It's so funny, dude.
They always have to have big bosoms.
They always have to have lots ofcleavage.

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Every single one. I don't think I've ever watched
an anime that doesn't have a whole bunch of cleavage besides
maybe One Piece. In the beginning I would say
that's, but then then you have the after the Sabati arc, Nami
and Robin come back and you're like, whoa, right?
What is that right? Right.
Yeah, I don't like this. Yeah, you're like, I don't like

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this. This is uncomfortable.
Yeah, for. Sure, it's just interesting
because it's not very talked about much around like here in
America, like it really is in the enemies, which they're
portrayed very differently, you know, but besides that, talking
more about Fire Force, Fire Force is a really great anime.
Like like Sean was saying a little or Curly was saying a

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little bit about how this anime is is this kid.
I mean, you kind of see this in the first episode that he's
super hated because he's blamed for something that he did
atrociously. And once you see this part of
it, a lot of why he acts makes sense and a lot of part of the

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reasons why other people believein him makes sense, especially
once you start seeing their backstories a little bit.
And yeah, man, it's just one of those top tier animes where one
we kind of started trying to watch it.
He's seen it a few a little bit already.
And I. Started.
Yeah, I started watching it and I tried it in English because we

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were working and doing other things and we're like, you know
what? I can't watch this in English.
This is. One of those ones that I just
cannot watch in English. So we watched it, yeah, in
Japanese and. We're watching My Hero Academia
right now as well, and we're watching it in English.
Oh man, the voice actors do not do the characters justice.

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The emotion. Why do you think that is?
Because they don't like, for example, this is the way that
I'm looking at it. And and I know it's hard because
being a voice actor is not an easy task.
I'm not saying that I could justgo and do it.
Not saying that, but there's periods and there's comma,
commas for a reason. There's different emotions in
different parts of the sentence that you have to be able to.

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Like when you're reading a page,you have to know that right now
you're really excited in this beginning part, but that comma
right there breaks it off and itturns into you're excited and
then you're sorrowful through it, right?
You're excited and then it turnsinto to sadness.
There's different emotions that are expressed in through
Japanese animation and the way that they speak compared to the

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American way. Like a good example because I'm
excited for the new demons that are coming out as one of my
favorite animes the. So I watched the very last
episode to get myself ready and caught up again.
And one of the parts that just like sent chills down my spine
was watching when the little girls are singing and they're

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playing like with the ball with each other.
And I'm sitting there and I'm like because I watched that one
in English as well before because it was one of the first
animes I watched before I got comfortable with watching in
Japanese. And I wouldn't say Demon Slayer
is terrible, but it's not as great as it is in Japanese.
Just again, emotion wise and listening to those little girls

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seeing it is just as like it waschilling, you know, and that's
what they're going for in the anime and.
You hear it, I think, the way that the Creator wants you to
hear. It.
I think in Japanese, I think in English you don't really get to
hear it the way that the creators want it in.
In my personal opinion, because I've watched My Hero Academia in

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Japanese and I've watched it in English, I am becoming more and
more of a My Hero Academia fan. But watching it in English, man
I'm I'm having the hardest time getting through it.
I think it has something to do with possibly the dialect,
right? Yeah, possibly the original

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artistic integrity behind what this was intended for, Right.
So you consider the voice, right?
You can consider like an Ian McKellen, right?
For Lord of the Rings, like Gandalf, very profound, well
spoken. You just can close your eyes and

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know exactly what he sounds like, what he looks like, what
he's talking about. He could read from a phone book
and you would be captivated, correct?
Because it's a very realized wayof speaking.
It's a very understood dialect, right?
You take your quintessential anime.
It's it's anime. There's a piece of that.

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The person that's breathing lifeto that character is a
fundamental piece of that character.
Aside from that, you breathe life into that character.
Those are two D3D characters. That makes sense.
And when it's created in its original inception, of course,
that sounds exactly how it's supposed to sound.

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OK, have you ever seen Akira? Have you ever seen Death Note?
Yeah. Have you ever seen Cowboy Bebop
the movie? Not yet.
That's one on the list. It's it.
Just watch it with an open mind.The point is, these are projects
that originally the Sage the stage has been set for the

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audience and who it's intended for, which is why you can
fundamentally tell the difference between what a
character sounds like and the way it wasn't originally
intended to sound like and how it's portrayed in English.
That makes a lot of sense when you put it that way because the
Avatar, The Last Airbender or like something like SpongeBob,

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you know, those were intended tobe made in English and they were
intended. I wouldn't say the Avatar, but
probably SpongeBob was intended around this one dude's specific
voice because of the way that hecould make it.
So that makes a lot of that makes perfect sense.
Well, you. Have to consider the wide scale
of entertainment that's around the world.

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Let's imagine this for a SEC. You have.
There's a lot. Of funds you have.
Remember the movie Wall-e? Oh yeah.
Remember the planet wall? The planet is covered in trash.
90% of that is like Star Wars stuff.
You. Know what I mean?
Like that's how much? Stuff is there, you know, but
let's you have a. Little bit of marvel sprinkled

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in a little bit of. Marvel, some DC stuff sprinkled
in there, but you consider it could litter this planet with
entertainment. So you have to understand that
sometimes we get compartmentalized and we think
to ourselves, me, me, me, me, me, me, right?
It's no fault. Everyone's guilty of it.
But the ironic thing and the difference there is if you

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consider what's one of your favorite movies, just give me a
like give me a like 1A year off the.
Glorious Basterds. Perfect glorious Basterds.
OK, how about you? 21 Jump St., OK.
So you take both of those films.I'm a film nerd, I'm a
cinephile, I'm a passionate lover of film.
Do you ever sit and watch the end of credits sometimes and pay

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attention to the names? Dude, sometimes I have the
hardest time 'cause they're going so quick.
I'm like slow the fuck down. Obviously those voices, Brad
Pitt's voice, Channing Tatum's voice.
Do you think that it is difficult for the French
audience, the South American audience, the Russian audience

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to watch the film, put the headphones on and then record
the same exact dialogue in another language, trying to
sound how they like Brad Pitt orChanning Tatum?
That makes sense. Think about that artistic
rendering of breathing life intothese characters.
Interesting. And.

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When you breathe life into thesecharacters, there's a lot that
goes to it. You have the right score.
It brings the movie to life, whether it's Gladiator, Pirates
of the Caribbean, Titanic, thoseiconic themes, The Avengers
theme, there's nothing there before that.
There's a. Score that's written just like
the voice is written and it's the life source of these

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characters. And the interesting thing that
with anime is 1, there's so manydifferent properties.
There's tons of them. You could spend from here to two
years from this day and two years from now, and you'd maybe
make it through 60% of like everything that's out there.
A to B dude. From A to BI think it might take

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longer. That's what I'm.
Saying, yeah, so you imagine like all that work and effort
put into what these characters should sound like, what these
characters should be to either of you feel in any way, shape or
form when you switch it to dubbed or subbed.
Yeah. Do you feel that this is a
different show, That I'm not watching the show that this is
supposed to be? Sometimes.

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Yeah, sometimes I. Feel like that sometimes when I
listen to the dub yeah and I don't know why it hits me that
way, but like when I listen to Demon Slayer because my chick
just finished Demon Slayer. She she knocked it out.
Dude, I but I was so mad at her.She didn't there was so many key
parts in demon Slayer where she was watching and she didn't talk
to me about it. I'm like, you're supposed one of

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the reasons why you're watching it is to talk to me about it.
Like how did you, why did you not call me?
We should have cried about that episode together, but I'm
watching it with her and she's watching it in in English and
which is understandable. She's not, she's not a weeb,
she's not a big anime fan and and she's at the end of Demon

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Slayer. She actually told me she's like,
I think I might want to rewatch it in Japanese.
She's like, I might hate it. Why is that?
Because I think she wants to, because the way that I'm talking
to her about it, I'm like, I love, I love Demon Slayer.
I'm watching it in English and the art is amazing.
I'm like, wow. And I'm, I'm able to look at the
art in sub, it's a little bit harder because you're reading it

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and then you're looking at the scene real quick and then you're
reading it and then you're looking at the scene real quick.
Watching it in English, you're able to actually sit down, enjoy
the art. Now the voices are hurting me
just a little bit because Tanjiro's not as emotional or
the way that he, he's not as soft in the English dub, I don't
think in my personal opinion, he's not as soft as like in his

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character in Japanese. So it makes it a little bit
harder, but I think she wants toget the actual emotions behind
Demon Slayer. Watching in Japanese.
I think that's what it is. Which to me I'm like.
Yes. I don't know how to articulate
that properly, but that did whatdid you just.
See Emotions. Fascinating.

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Yeah, I get that on a personal level because the first anime
that I watched was was Hunter Hunter, and I want to go back
and watch it in Japanese becauseI haven't seen it in Japanese
yet. I've only seen it in English, so
I'm excited to go back and do that actually now, but.
It's almost two different things, dude.
It is two different things. Different pieces of media.

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Oh yeah. And when you consume that, it
hits you in different, differentareas.
It does. To your point, it's singing,
right? You ever listen to a real sad
one? When they cry or they scream and
pain and agony, it hits. Like Iro?
Monstrously different. Like the the scene with Iro and

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the Last Airbender. The song still makes me cry.
Me too, man, falling from a vine.
Yeah, it is it, It pulls at the heartstrings.
And I think that that's part of the reason why they do write
them that way is because they want you to be able to feel
these different emotions. I know part of it is a lot of
us, we hold back being able to feel extra emotions, which we

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might tell ourselves there are too much.
But like, some people might not want to feel excitement, you
know, And an anime will make youfeel excited.
Some people may not want to feelsad, and they'll watch animes
because animes make them cry, you know?
And it's like people have their times and places of what they
want to choose, when they want to feel.
And I think that that's kind of what anime helps them with as

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well. Yeah.
And +2 you're watching the comfort of your home.
A lot of times I've cried. Sitting down watching an anime
is unreal. Oh yeah, for sure.
Sobbing like, well, there's a page to be taken from a lot of
that. There's a page to be taken from
that type of entertainment and that type of storytelling.
Because for most people that consume media consume, you know

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what have you, you feel certain things, you know, there's
messages, there's there's morals, there's ideologies.
That's one of the most captivating things about comic
books, anime, movies, TV shows. You don't get that, you know?
And it's OK to feel that way. You know, for a long time, you,

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you, you kind of combat the, thefeels, you know what I mean?
You kind of combat the feels. And there's a lot of elements to
storytelling where it's almost predictive, literate
storytelling. Or you're like, OK, when is the
hero going to fail and he's got to rise back up.
This is going beautifully. When is it going to fail so it

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can be rebuilt? You're waiting for the other
foot to drop. Exactly.
In the Jewish community, we callthat the Sky's falling complex.
God never let me be happy. But so you have to understand
that when it comes to the fieldsand the appropriate time and
place for those emotions, the way that it's portrayed is the

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way it was supposed to be portrayed.
And not to take anything away from the English versions of
these or the subbed or the dubbed or what have you, but it
hits differently. It hits differently.
One that really did that for me was Attack on Titan.
That's a probably the definitionof you.
Watch that in English. It's a completely different

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show, Completely different fields, completely different
vibes, completely different. I mean in a lot of ways.
I mean it's you can watch the 1st 5 episodes and sub and you
watch the 1st 5 episodes and dubbed.
You're like, this is almost a different show.
When he when they're talking about like when he finally gets

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like sworn in and he's like watching all their, their,
their, their accuracy, their kills, their stats.
You watch that in English. You're like, OK, OK, right on.
I get, I get I know what you're stepping in, but then you watch
that and sub titles and you're like, you're feeling it.
You're in, Oh, you're there. You know the.
Chills that I get from watching it in in sub and reading it is

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just so nice. It I mean do.
You think it has something to dowith you reading it and the
amalgamation? You can kind of like make it in
your head, like the true nature of this emotion.
I agree, I think. Because I've talked to somebody
about this and, and she said that when she's reading a book,
she gets to put it, she gets to create her own world.

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Now it is a world that somebody has laid out for her, but she
gets to build the buildings brick by brick.
She gets to put the size to them.
And, and how these people are are creating their emotions and
showing their emotions. And I think that's a big part of
an anime and Marvel and all thatstuff and going back to it.
And I think there's a large one of the reasons why there's such

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a large fan base of men with anime and and comic books is
because we're able to feel our emotions through the comic
books. We don't get to feel our
feelings outside in the regular world, but when when we're in
our room watching anime or reading a comic book and spider
man gets into trouble and or, orMary Jane or you know,

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something's happening to her, weget to cry about it.
We're watching the Kuma story. We get to cry about that.
And from one piece, you know, the amount of tears that I've
shed for Kuma and I thought thatI was going to hate it.
I am so glad I was proven wrong,but sorry, I lost the point that
I was making. Emotional connection yes, just
emotional connection as I think the biggest part when listening

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to it in Japanese because you see the faces they do the art
for you, but then you get to putyour own emotion into it by
reading it. When you're listening to an
English you listen to their emotions and you're like Oh
well, that's kind of wax the basical.
It was kind of just like meh, because they weren't they
weren't heart into that. You know for sure I.

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Think to add to that is because that's why people like their
different characters right? You have people who love Naruto,
you have people who love Sasuke,you have people who love
Kakashi, you have people who love Hitachi.
You know, and there's these people like Hitachi.
He's not part of the entirety ofthe anime as a main, main

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character, but he's loved by a lot of people.
And part of it could be for me personally, I'm a Big Brother.
So like you connect with these characters on different personal
levels and the way that they actand the way that they with him
personally is the way that he treated his little brother.
I don't have a little brother, Ihave a little sister, but I did

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definitely treat her a lot of the ways that Hitachi treated
Sasuke and like lessons and treating like with love and all
that stuff, you know? I think when it comes to like
designing these characters and when you're faced with, you
know, a Naruto, you can't have Naruto without Sasuke.

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There are almost two sides. I've said this before, they're
almost two sides of the same coin in a lot of ways.
And I, I don't think that it's acoincidence that most of these
archetypes and, and stories thatare told through anime,
obviously you have your quintessential story, you know,
your reluctant hero, your, your redemption arcs, your.

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Redemption arcs are my favorite.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think when it really, when it really boils down to it, if
you're already bought into the premise, you're going to be
there for it. And I think the emotional beats,
how it resonates, is what's important.
I mean, it can't be a coincidence that most of these

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stories that are told through, you know, the form of anime are
now being retold through American media.
You know? Have either of you gentlemen
seen Elfin lead? No.
No, I don't think I am. Elfin lead No, all right.
So for any listeners out there that know what that is and have
seen it, it is shot for shot, beat for beat, with a few more

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scenes of nudity and a few more egregious polarizing characters.
It is. Other than that it is a shot for
shot version of Stranger Things.What?
Really. Really.
Yes, yes, Elfin lead. Elfin lead, elfin lead, lead
lead. Yes.
OK, so check it out. Check it out.

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Crunchyroll or Amazon Prime. Amazon Prime, Amazon Prime.
And The funny thing is you watchit and you you take a look at
it, you're like, wow, OK, all right.
So there's some similar beats there.
There's some familiar emotional stakes.
There's some familiar avenues that we can take.
There's some familiar turns, creative liberties we can take.

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But the story in itself is stillsomething that's been like
taken, you know what I mean? Or.
Borrowed, if you will. But it doesn't change the
emotional turmoil that you stillfeel for both characters in both
sets of the properties. Yeah, but the creativity and the
storytelling, they have it down.They have it down.

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You yourself said like you cannot believe you've cried this
far into One Piece. Over 1000 episodes in and
somehow ODA can still figure outways to pull your heartstrings.
Every time. And you know, Kuma is a big
character in One Piece and then,oh, I just love, I just love how

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he's so he's amazing writer. And that's one thing that I, I
was thinking about while you guys were talking about Naruto
is just you can't have Naruto without Sasuke.
And being a creator of these animes and being able to give
you a perspective of Sasuke and writing this huge in depth story
of Sasuke. And then you do Naruto.

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And then you had this huge in depth story of Naruto and Rock
Lee and all these different characters, the imagination on
these people. Impressive.
Oh yeah. And it's just, it's just so nice
to see. And to be able to create a story
out of it, too, is what's also, well, like, you just sit there
yourself to be like, well, I cancome up with a few ideas, but
then to come up with a full story that comes full circle and

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it all makes sense. It takes a lot of creativity,
especially. And then to go ahead and draw it
on top of that. Yeah.
Yeah. I think that's because like, for
example, like fire force, Fire force is really well written.
The animator has done a fantastic job the the creator, I
mean, and creating this world. And I feel like they are kind of

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rushing on this last this last season, I think.
And like that's one thing that upsets me.
Like, for example, like Game of Thrones, George RR Martin, he
did a fantastic job creating this amazing world.
I'm not going to give any spoilers for anybody, but the
the ending definitely is not what they built up, if that

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makes sense. And of course, I think that's
the same with Fire Force, and they're rushing to the ending
instead of enjoying the journey.Yeah, and.
And it's unfortunate because if money is the issue, whether it's
being able to animate more scenes or whether it's able to
animate longer seasons or in Game of Thrones case able to pay

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their actors and actresses. I don't know what the case is in
any of those. But like, whatever it boils down
to, it would be nice for us to learn as people, as humans with
each other, is that like we can enjoy this life without being
able to gouge each other on things.

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And part of when I say gouge, I'm also saying like taking away
experiences because like how Curly was saying if we had
certain like promise Neverland, right, that that one got rushed.
The whole second season. The first season was wild.
It has you on the edge of your seat the whole entire first
season. The second season, they just

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kind of rushed it because I did do some research to see what was
going on there. They rushed the second season
and they didn't get a third season because they didn't have
enough people watching it because they rushed the second
season and fucking sucks. Yeah, it sucks because that that
one was literally mind blowing. And I watched, I've watched
Death Note, I've watched like Erase.

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I've watched some of these otherones that are like kind of like,
what the heck at the end of them.
But like that one is literally like, I really wanted to see
where that one was going. And it's gotten me to the point
where I almost want to buy the manga and read it.
Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's a fascinating
concept when you deal with the shortcomings of creativity.

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And it is a bummer because it can go one of two ways.
You know, you, you, you brought up Game of Thrones and both of
the Davids who were headlining that show.
Game of Thrones is quintessentially one of the
greatest representations of a politically divided fantasy

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world as real world issues in a fantasyland.
OK, the ironic and sometimes frustrating part of when you're
dealing with a show with that many characters, that dense
narrative, you're telling me that you couldn't figure out a

(27:50):
way to stick the landing. Yeah, stick the landing.
I'm working without all the information here.
Yeah, So. But I would be very, very
surprised if Warner Brothers andHBO sat both both of them down
and said, we're wrapping this upin one season.

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I'm pretty sure I have it on good authority from various
sources out there. My guess would be that HBO did
the opposite and said, what do you want?
What do you need? How many more seasons?
How many more years? How many what?

(28:33):
What do you need? Do you want to split it into two
seasons? Do you want to do one more
season? Do you want to do a movie?
You cannot tell me. One of the most highly regarded,
well shot, well acted, well edited, one of the most long
tier storytelling shows aside from Lord of the Rings.

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In that vanished world. You can't tell me the money
machine was. Was going to stop.
Yeah. You know what?
We'll stop. We'll stop, we'll stop.
And yeah, it it. I'm not going to spoil the
ending. There were parts of that final
season that I rather. Enjoyed.
Oh yeah, absolutely. I highly agree with.

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That But the dialogue, you're shortchanging some brilliant,
beautifully written characters. And Arya Stark.
And when she utters the phrase Iknow a killer when I see one,
it's like, wow, that's the best you got after she massacred a
whole city. Yeah, we all saw it.
We know what happened. It's OK, you know?
It's just I don't. I don't get it.

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I don't get it. All that was standing.
It's a disservice to the narrative.
It's a disservice to the narrative when things get
rushed. And the fans, of course, the
people who are sitting there enjoying it, taking the time to
to spend the money to go see these things and you're creating
this world that you then just shatter in front of them.

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I mean, I know that there's a lot of people that were
heartbroken about it. And I know that there's probably
a lot of people who really love the ending.
I don't know. I'm, I'm not going to speak for
the whole fan base, but I'm definitely going to speak for
myself that I would have been OKwaiting seven years for an
ending. As long as it's done.
As long as it's done correctly. I mean, it's like hunter Hunter,

(30:20):
like we consistently are. We're crossing our fingers, our
legs, our toes, our hairs, anything that we can to hope
that Hunter Hunter gets finished.
Yeah. And in that sense of like
animated finish, like, I know the manga has gone on and I know
that there's been lots of breaksfor it, but you can, yeah.

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You create a fan base that a loyal fan base.
Now it might take even if it takes 15 years, I'm going to
watch it. Well, I mean, look at like to go
back on Fire Force a bit from the little bit that I've heard,
I've never seen Soul Eater, but what I've heard about it is that
Fire Force is kind of a little bit of unfinished business on

(31:02):
what he was doing in Soul Eater.So maybe a little bit of like
redemption behind the scenes kind of thing.
Because again, He, the Creator of Soul Eater, is the creator of
Fire Force so. Maybe a little unfinished
business there, maybe. And you see little snippets of
his art from Soul Eater in fire Force, which is amazing the two

(31:24):
the two main characters well, the main character in fire force
and then one of the main characters in Soul Eater.
They have basically the same face.
They have the same smile, they have the same reactions.
It's fantastic to see, but you have two different stories,
correct? And that's two different cooks

(31:46):
in the kitchen. In the kitchen a little bit
exactly. You can kind of get where
they're they wear the same hat. Yeah, you know what?
They're cooking. But it's like, OK, that's not
this. This is not that.
Clearly it's two separate. You know, the trains aren't
going to like cross. You will.
Yeah. That makes sense, yeah.
Interesting. It's just so well written.
It's very good and I again, I one of the reasons why it I said

(32:10):
that I feel rushed is because they're making Season 3 into a
two-part Season 3. Yeah.
And they're starting to do that with animes now where they're
like, we're going to release 12 episodes and then you have to
wait and then we'll release the 12 episodes again in six months,
so. I get it if you're trying to
hold up to the animation part ofit, like, I get that aspect of

(32:33):
it. Yeah, but for like Demon Slayer
for example, Yeah, Demon Slayer first season, 25 episodes I
think. 24, I think 24, OK. As an anime fan, having 24
episodes of a season is fan fucking task.
It's amazing, yeah. And then?
You do three seasons later and and you're at 8:00.

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Each season is like, yeah, 711-1111 or something like that.
Yeah. But to add to that too, with
what you were saying about the animation, is that again,
referring back to me watching that last episode of Demon
Slayer from me watching these other animes, they're amazingly
animated. Not going to say that they're

(33:14):
not Demon Slayer is so and I it probably has to do with the
frames that it has per second ofwhat how they edit it.
It just looks so real, like whenthe the buildings are blowing
up, they look like they're actually blowing up.
Like you could see the like little shrapnels and stuff

(33:34):
flying through the air, the debris.
And it's like the thing that blew my mind is when because
it's snowing in the scene, one of the little snowflakes, it
shows it getting melted little by little.
And I was like this, I was like,OK, now I see why Demon Slayer
is taking on till September to get out.
And I was like, now I remember why it's going to take so long.

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And that's I'm going to throw itout there again.
One Punch Man better be fucking good the first season 3.
You making me wait three or fouryears?
Yeah dude I I love this face buteverything else bro better be
do. You think that there's any
property out there that took theappropriate amount of time that
started with the beginning, middle, and end?

(34:18):
Barring anime. You can pick an anime if you
want. You can pick any type of media
or property. Is there any?
I have one anime that I thought was just perfect beginning,
middle and end and it doesn't really need anything else and
that's just Cowboy Bebop. Yeah, OK.
That I mean, that's an anime that comes to mind.
And it only is 25 episodes or something like that, right?

(34:40):
It it is literally beginning middle, you meet the crew and
then the the depressing, thrilling climax and then that's
it. And then it's open for it's open
for interpretation of what happens in that final scene.
And that final scene of Cowboy Bebop could be considered a

(35:02):
happy ending. It could be considered a tragic
ending. It could be considered a who
knows ending. But it's just it to me that that
in the, in the realm of, of anime one, you know, One Punch
Man, the jury's still out One Piece, the jury's still out

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Naruto. They will continue to keep doing
whatever. They're right into a corner.
It's OK, We got a backup thing. Don't worry.
We'll just make the corner deeper, yeah.
Yeah, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we'll be fine.
And then Demon Slayer, who knows?
So levelling, who knows, But is there any property that you
gentlemen can think of that was not rushed?

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It wasn't slowed down, it organically started.
Was the middle and then was it satisfying?
They stuck the landing in the end.
I'm not going to lie man, honestly if nobody has ever seen
it, Erased is a really good one.It's part of one of the ones
that got me into anime because it's literally only 11 episodes

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and it has a beginning that is very clear.
It has a middle that I wouldn't say it's confusing, but it
definitely is. Keeps your attention.
And then the end just kind of smacks you in the face and it's
like, yeah, it's it's it's wild.It's and it's it comes in full
circle. So it's that one I would say is

(36:30):
a good one. I don't have an anime that I've
that's ever been finished that I've watched personally.
Really. Yeah.
I don't think, like I was going to say Tokyo Ghoul, but Tokyo
Ghoul was rushed and then and then it was not only was it
rushed, but then it was fucked and flipped on 180.
But again, I have to I have to re watch the third season,

(36:51):
actually give it a chance and see what happens.
But yeah, there I haven't watched an enemy that I can
think of off the top of my head right now that has either ended
because it's not still running or hasn't been completely
screwed over. What about a property any like

(37:13):
movie or TV show that like you could say like beginning, middle
and end like it kind of OK, I get it.
I mean there's plenty of trilogies out there.
There's plenty of trilogies thatwork.
There's plenty of films and TV shows that worked.
I mean some of the greatest sitcoms of all time would would

(37:33):
be considered. They didn't stick the landing.
Whether that's Seinfeld, whetherthat's Cheers, whether that's.
How I mention? That one and again, How I Met
your mother, the Office, there'slike the office is written very
well. I really liked it.
It took me a while to get into alot of people, a lot of the fan
base will say it took me a really, really long time to get

(37:53):
into. If you talk to a lot of the fan
base, they say skip the first season, start at the second,
watch that, then start at first again.
But again, I think that they just, I don't know what I've
seen, they've just kind of lost it It it's like they were
carrying water in their hand andit just kind of slowly dripped
out. Like they weren't using a cup,

(38:13):
they weren't using a bowl. They're using their hands to
carry it across. And it was just kind of slowly,
they're just slowly losing it. And there's one that is still
going currently, Overlord. You never watch that.
That one, very beautifully written.
I love it. It's still going though, and I'm
I'm Googling every single every four months when is normal or

(38:37):
new season coming out and they're like, oh, they're
actually in they're in talks now.
I'm like, yes, perfect. Hopefully this goes well and
it's being it's still being written.
It's just not being animated currently.
But there's Four Seasons out andthey're creating a world as they
go like it. It's it's an Isikai Isikai.
I don't know, pronounce it properly in the beginning or

(39:02):
yeah and the shonen and it kind of gives you the premise and
then second season it turns intoa world like it basically like
like an atom forming or the universe.
That's kind of what it does in the second season.
So it sounds like it it sets thestage.
In Season 1, yeah. And then it explores the world.

(39:23):
Yeah, in season 2 is really whenit explore.
So that's that's one of the reasons why I'm playing.
It all, yeah, like it expands, yeah.
It's it's so good. But does it make the world feel
smaller or does it kind of go within the world?
So it's like world. It kind of goes within the
world, but it's it's it has its focuses like it zooms in, then

(39:44):
it zooms out and then you can see the whole world, then it
zooms in in a different part, then it zooms out.
So it it has, but it keeps following along with the premise
of of it in the beginning and what what Inzo gone says in the
first season that he wants to explore the world and then he

(40:05):
wants to take it over. And it's like, oh, fuck.
And he has these loyal, I don't want to say servants, but he has
these loyal companions that no, I guess they're servants, yeah.
Because in the first, yeah, they're, they're basically
servants because there's butlersin it, there's maids in it, and

(40:26):
they're, you know, untouchables.Untouchables.
Yeah. Ohh no.
Yeah, Back home we call them on touch.
I liked how you were trying so. Hard not to.
Man, yeah, I love, I love that you're trying so hard not to say
that, but it's great, man. That's that's the best part
about it. Because what I love about you

(40:48):
personally is that you, you, youreally think before you talk,
you know what I mean? Like that's hard thing with this
trio here. That's really fun about it.
And this trio, you have stuff. I mean, man, I've heard feedback
from many, many people that havelistened to the three of us
talk. And it genuinely sounds like
there's a conversation to be had.

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You're not speaking to hear whatthe person is going to say.
You're speaking and dissecting the words and then re retelling
or furthering the conversation based upon listening to each
other and talking with each other, which there's a lot of
podcasts out there that have that where they're talking over

(41:31):
each other, you know, saying this, I need to get this across.
Well, I need to get this across.Yeah.
My point, yeah, Yeah. I think that's been every
episode that we've had though, is every time we have a premise,
we talk about it beforehand. It's like, hey, let's, let's
talk about this. We bring it up for the first 2
minutes and then it turns into. What it turns into?
Explodes again. It turned explodes into a

(41:53):
universe of more shit. We talk about things we try to
add in, like how we're talking about Fire Force today.
We throw it in, but we're havingconversation outside of that.
But it needs to be, you know, that that organic side of it,
you know what I mean? And the and the genuine exactly.
See when you're not talking about, you know, butlers and you

(42:14):
got the word right there. I love it.
I love it. That's awesome.
The the best part, I think with the two of you gentlemen is you
allow yourselves to be immersed with various things.
I got a lot of feedback from thefirst episode that you guys were
on. I had several people stop me and

(42:34):
they say hey I listen to that anime culture episode and I got.
Two of them. And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah,
yeah, they're, they're good. They're really good people, Good
conversation. And the feedback is the furthest
thing that I could I could grab from what the this individual
took from the episode. And what they took from the

(42:56):
episode was that it's OK to feelalone, but knowing that there's
this massive blanket of securitythat every other person that
watches what you are watching, they feel the exact same way.

(43:19):
And from their perspective, we displayed that perfectly, that
you go through that notion of like, well, well, why is that?
Why do you feel alone? Well, boys, don't cry.
Well, OK, we're raised to be tough.
We're raised to be this. We're raised to be that.
And then allowing yourself to bevulnerable and emotional and to

(43:39):
see things on another level of that intellect and just a just a
a stimulating conversation as something as simple and minute
as like anime cartoons and stufflike.
That cartoons alive. Right.
It's great. It's it's profound because you
can't fake that. That's what I was at the
beginning of this episode. You can teach people.

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I can teach anybody about Star Wars.
Yeah, I can't teach anybody to be passionate about it.
You can't feel the same feelingsthat I have towards it.
You can't feel like the force itself is its own entity.
You can't feel like the force isaround us always.
Oh, yeah. But I can tell you.
But it's the same with and, and I would say it's the same with.
There are certain people that feel that way about religion and

(44:23):
God and Yahweh or Allah or whoever you want to call them
Buddha I if each to each their own.
We have a friend that we also met at the gym, younger dude, 20
years old, but he has a very strong religion or he's very
strong in his belief. Yeah, thank you.
And devout, and it's so nice. It's refreshing to hear because

(44:44):
I grew up in and around religionalways.
We both did. And seeing who those people are
and how they are, you're like, wow, you guys suck.
You guys suck. It's like we're taught that this
is like, this is what it's supposed to be about, and this
is what you're doing on the complete opposite end of it.
And like to add on to what you're saying, like this kid,

(45:05):
because he's pretty much turned into like a little brother for
us. Yeah, he, he definitely like is
the first person for me and I'm probably Curly too, that we've
witnessed that like he actually is devoted to what the religion
is teaching him. And it's very like, it's kind of
inspiring in a way because he doesn't like, no matter what is

(45:27):
in his way or what might happen,he doesn't let it get him down.
It doesn't let him get him upsetabout life.
Like he has more of like that kind of drive and stuff.
And it's really refreshing in a sense to see somebody who has
that dedication to sticking to the things that they stick to,
you know, their belief systems and all that.

(45:48):
Yeah. It's very nice.
He's not swayed easily. No.
And it's very nice to see that. And you know, we joke with him
because that's what Big Brothersdo to little brothers.
You know, that's just how it goes.
We mess with them and we poke fun at them.
Never. In a way it hopefully he never
takes it that way and we're never doing it to be demeaning.
Or malicious. Or malicious or to be hateful
towards what he believes in because afterwards after I make

(46:10):
a joke with him I always tell him afterwards you know that I'm
joking right? You know I love you for how for
who you are and how you how you hold your religion.
I'm only saying this because I know that it's not going to
change your mind. I'm know that if I make this
joke, it's not going to upset you because of how devote you
actually are and how how much you actually care about what you

(46:33):
believe in. It's nice to see.
You guys are good people, man. You guys are good people.
Like where? The where the.
Fuck, Were you guys when I was growing up?
I'm a little bit older than bothof you, man.
I'm just sitting there like, good Lord.
Wow, man, I had it rough, you know?
And The thing is that's interesting is that you know,
you're talking to somebody who, you know, it's, it's definitely

(46:58):
a different take for sure. I mean, because you obviously
have, you know, when you're talking about religion, when
you're talking about various hotbutton topics for a lot of
different people. And that's very important to a
lot of those people. That's very, very important.
Whether that's a void, whether that's a longing, whether that's
trauma, whether that's frustration, sadness, love, what

(47:20):
have you, you have that. I mean, they that that support
system, that lifeline maybe, maybe a yeah, that's.
A good one you. Know it's a good consistency the
problem that I have with most ofthat and where I become very
pessimistic and where I become very doubtful and that's my
product and I preach it is well if you're taking it to be the

(47:46):
word and you're following by theword claiming to love that word
and serve that word and live that word when in reality what
you are fundamentally doing is following what has been written
by a man and when I say a man I mean a man with a penis and
from. Thousands and thousands of years

(48:09):
ago. Where times have changed, we
have grown and adapted. Let's fucking do something
different or look at it a different way.
Sorry, personal, it's true, but.Yeah, well, I mean anyone's ever
played telephone. Sorry to interrupt.
No, it's true. Yeah, it's.
True, yeah. There's a difference.
There's a difference, but what I'm talking about is the
fundamental difference between the devout nature of living your

(48:32):
life by something. And if you're fundamentally
living your life by something and you believe it to every
fiber and every core in your body, at no point should
anything waver that belief system.
Because then at that point you are no different than various
organizations that supported theNazis.
You are in no way any better than various organizations that
supported terrorist attacks. And that is where it gets to be

(48:55):
dangerous. That is when you flirt with the
perspective and your playing with very, very dangerous
grounds 'cause then you become on this notion of well if it
says that that's OK, then I guess that's OK.
Then before you know it, you're down the fucking Rd. on a lot of

(49:18):
different things. That's plagued history, whether
that's whether that's the dark ages of scientific oppression,
arranged marriages to minors, wife swapping, human sacrifice,
the Crusades, 9/11, yeah. Well, we're also giving terms
from what we see on this side ofthe world, of course, and what

(49:39):
we saw on the other side. What do you think people are
saying about us, about the otherside of the world?
I mean, we were just having. I was telling Curly the other
day I saw it was, it's nice, butit's also sad because it's not
our own country that sees it. But I think it was in France or

(50:00):
in Spain or something. They did a mural and it was Lady
Liberty crying. She was crying into her hands.
And it was a representation literally of how America feels
right now and what we're going through.
So I think it was. France, you were telling?
Me, yeah, It that's that's an important piece of it.
There's a gentleman that is veryclose to me outside of here,

(50:20):
won't say his name, who is not from this country.
And he is from, I'd say this. He's from Mexico.
OK. He told me this funny story
about whenever he goes back hometo visit the entire family is

(50:42):
like, what's it like there? Like what kind of car do you
drive? Like I've I've heard that
everyone has like nice cars, however that everyone has like
like mansions and stuff like that.
You know the perspective, but we.
Do have mansions compared to what in I've I've lived on a
border city in a border town like when you look across the

(51:05):
border the border they have shacks.
And they'll stacked on top of each other.
Stacked on top of each other andlike, for example, being out
here in this state growing up where we're from, we had big
yards. Yeah.
Growing up in the state that we're in now, there's not big

(51:27):
yards. You have a yard maybe.
I mean, you have a porch. In the back.
Of your house. I mean, that's the way I look.
At it very few and far between. Yeah.
And if you have a big yard, it'sbecause you have farmland out
here. That's really the only way that
you can have a big yard. But we have more space in this
state than anybody that I've seen looking across the border.

(51:53):
It it's it's wild. And again, this is just one
town. I don't know about the rest of
the places in Mexico, but from what I can see, it's shacks.
So we live in fucking mansions. And I'm and you can say that
about a trailer. You can say that about A1 bed
apartment. We have fucking mansions.

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It's fascinating. One of our fascinating his
grandma, she lives down there and he says that she's, what,
80? And she's still walking around
to get to places. She doesn't have a car or
anything, so yeah. Eight years old.
It it. And I think that that's where a
lot of the religion Harkins backto that.
That's where a lot of the religious inspiration and a lot

(52:36):
of the religious avenues take a lot of people the fundamental
perspective of hope and I it's tough and it's tough because you
have you don't want to like to, you know, to use your
terminology here is you don't want to offend anybody, but at
the same time, if you're hurtingsomebody or you're supporting it

(53:01):
or yourself an ideology, you just.
Can't put a fucking veil over it.
Yeah, you can't. You can't put roses on it and
say it smells. Pretty.
Yeah. You can't take one.
You're you're telling me to eat your shit and call it caviar?
Yeah, exactly. OK, Yeah, that's the problem.
And the hard part about that is when you start asking questions
and when you start poking holes,when you start not trying to

(53:23):
tear it down, but just fundamentally ask questions.
You know, there's a, a, a fascinating concept that I
always, you know, would say to very religious people in my
family on both sides of the aisle, Mom's side, dad's side,
one's from the West Coast, one'sfrom the East Coast, 2 very
different religions, very different, very different.
And the concept was, is always the question that I had, which

(53:46):
was, well, let's say hypothetically, every single
piece of literature and technology stopped working at
midnight tomorrow morning. Everything, no phones, all the
books, everything just spontaneously disappeared.

(54:10):
In the next 500 years, all the things that have been proven
would still be proven. We would still have dinosaur
bones, hydrogen, oxygen. Ain't that the fucking truth.
Aluminum, uranium, all of that would still be the same.
The scientific things that have been proven, all of that would

(54:33):
still be the same. They would rediscover the same,
yeah. And I believe that there would.
And in my personal opinion, there's going to be different
religions. Absolutely.
Absolutely that. I believe that to my core.
Yep, that if everything went poof and disappeared in 500
years they'd be complete and they'd be completely fucking

(54:55):
different. Oh yeah, from what would be
gone, like your mind would be gone too.
Like if every if every single one of us just at the drop of a
hat like, well, where am I? What are we doing?
Let's all. Go on a journey real quick if
they want a. Journey.
Yeah, real quick. Mars, right?
Mars. They've done studies that there

(55:15):
is life on Mars. There was water on Mars.
We'll just pretend that we all came from Mars, right?
Say that we started going down this path of whatever we were
doing and we messed that whole area up, so we decided to come
here. Again, who?
Really. Killed the dinosaurs.
We're all just. Making we're all just making
stuff up here. I'm not saying that this is true

(55:36):
or not all right, But we come over here and then we're not
learning from what we we did over there.
And for all we know, there is nobecause we don't know how long
it's been that we could have been here.
And we're just doing to this planet what we did to that
planet. And we see a bunch of these
movies of these planet killers. What if humans are the planet

(55:59):
killers, man? What if we're going around
destroying all these different planets because we're we think
that we're the almighty. We think that we're this this
and that because we can talk andanimals can't fucking talk.
You're like, OK, bro, that doesn't make any sense.
They communicate in a different way than we do, but.
It's called telepathy, yeah. We just think that we're we have
a superior complex because we walk on 2 feet.

(56:19):
Why do you think we haven't found life anywhere else?
It's because they don't want us to fucking find them.
They know we're a bunch of idiots, just.
Because we walk on 2 legs and have a brain and we have
developed enough weapons in thisworld to kill us over 90
percent, 90% / 90% well over. And you think that just because

(56:40):
we can do that, that this planet, I mean, the planet
humans have done a lot to this planet, a lot to this planet.
And the most terrifying thing isthe planet.
When it when it's ready, it could easily just shake us right
off. Like fucking dandruff.
Just be like, yeah. A good analogy that I like with

(57:00):
that is that I heard one time, the planet is like our body.
We are like the hairs on our body.
If we pluck a hair off our body,our body will be fine without
those hairs. But if we kill the body, then
nothing lives. Yeah.
And I, for example, going back to the Mars statement, yeah,
Mars, I think we'll eventually be able to sustain and create

(57:24):
life again. If we were the ones that fucking
destroyed it. I promise you it will be fine.
Now, I'm not going to say in 100years it's going to be fine.
I mean in, in a million years. But the world is going to live
on for millions and trillions until our sun is tired of being
a sun. It'll blow up.

(57:47):
Earth is going to be around of. Course, that's just how it goes.
It's been around, it's been around for a long, long time.
And you, you know, you always have that, that nature of the
beast. And when you, the beauty of
having conversations like this, it starts on one end of the
spectrum and it kind of comes full circle.

(58:09):
And it's not a like a, a product, it's not a piece of the
puzzle that you're trying to fitor force or anything.
It's a natural conversation. And the, the sad thing is, is
that part of the reason why I love having you guys here.
And I will have you guys back. Absolutely.
I'll continue to have you guys back.

(58:30):
Oh, we'll be knocking at the door.
Knocking it down. The the tragic part is, is that
in this space, in this environment, we can have
conversations like this. Yeah.
Which is so nice. And a lot of people can't, and
sadly a lot of people don't because there has to be some
type of reason behind that. There has to be some type of

(58:52):
motive, There has to be some type of agenda.
You know, you can throw shade, you can throw jokes, you can
throw the concept of what have you.
But the centerfold of this entire episode before we wrap
this up, the beauty behind it isthe relevance of of passion and
understanding and tolerance and passionate and understanding.

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And you start that conversation with Fire Force, One Piece,
Naruto, One Punch Man, and the concept of understanding the
emotional turmoil that one feelswhen watching somebody else's
artistic rendering and artistic representation.
And then you come all the way full circle to another emotional
turmoil, which was where are we from?
Where are we going? What are we doing?

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What's our purpose? And then the true nature of that
question and is, you know, from my perspective, from where I'm
sitting, that's what most peoplewould call the Almighty or God
or Yahweh or what have you is inside every single person is
every single person. And I think the pessimistic side
of me would suggest that it's crushing to see people killing

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and hurting and harming and sacrificing one another over
their own interpretation of whatthey're not already smart enough
to understand. Yeah.
Yeah, smart enough to understand.
And it you know why? Because they're making us
Dumber. And I, and to add to that, I
personally think a lot of us going back to not being alone, I
think a lot of us not are just, we're just not comfortable with

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being alone. And the more that we get
comfortable with being alone, the more that we get comfortable
with accepting things for what they are instead of trying to
change them. Shit's fucked up in this world,
man. We, we live in a paradox.
That's something that I've had to learn to accept.
We can't have good things in this world without having shitty
things in this world and vice versa.
So once we learn how to accept both of the two of them, life,

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and this is coming from my own personal experience, life hasn't
been as hard for me because I'm accepting that you know what
shit happens and when that happens, I have no control over
that happening. And on the other end of things,
when good things happen, it's the same thing.
And I enjoy it. I'm, I'm doing my best for
myself to learn how to enjoy life that way in accepting
things and being alone, you know, and it's a journey.

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Not anyone's going to get it right away.
It it takes time. And you're accepted at face
value. Yeah, yeah.
I think that's the the biggest thing is people don't want to
accept it. And I mean, I'm somebody that
struggles with it all the time. Good things happen and I don't I
don't focus on that and I focus on the bad.
I'm like fuck when I harp on the.
Bad. When is this going to?
That's what I said in the beginning.

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The sky is falling complex. The sky is falling.
Exactly. The sky fall complex complex is
a very, very tedious thing. It's very, very, it's a
neurotic, sometimes selfish way of thinking like this is
perfect, What's going to happen?You know what I mean?
You know, and I always say, I say this to my children all the
time when they always say like this is the worst day of my life

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or this is the worst thing that's ever happened to me, or
this day cannot get any worse, or the whole universe is against
me when they say that I. Always say the.
Same thing, which is maybe yeah,but the worst day of your life
is the worst day of your life. If this is your the worst day of

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your life, guess what? It is the worst thing to happen
to you. Take that for what it's and
tomorrow's a new fucking day. Exactly.
Yeah, man, it's what did Master Ugwe say from Kung Fu Panda.
He said tomorrow's, tomorrow's amystery.
Yesterday is history, but today is a is a gift.
That's why it's called the present.
Yes, Yeah. Oh, dude, that just gave me
chills. Yeah.

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That's chills every time you. Literally just shot down my my
spine. Curls.
Yeah, I like it. I can't do the voice.
Give me some time when I have you guys back.
When I have you guys back, we'llwe'll start working on that.
Another 20 years, yeah, right. You might get there.
It's awesome, man. Well, M waves Curly, I really
appreciate you guys coming down here this.

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Is. We're going to you guys are
going to be a little be around alittle bit more.
We're going to try to get on a regiment, try to get on a
schedule to where you gentlemen can get your voices out there
because emotions, emotional stakes and fears and
insecurities was kind of the thebasis of this.
And understanding, compassion and understanding.
And it always puts a smile on myface when we start talking about

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one thing and then we go full circle into something else.
But somehow we bring it back to the beginning, what it was.
Yeah. Do you guys have anybody you
want to shout out before we get out of here?
No, I'm good. Honestly man, I have my my
therapist to shout out man Oh. Yeah, actually, you know what?
I will give my therapist a shoutout.
Too. Yeah, all right there he's.
Been helping out a lot man. If if you don't have a therapist

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go, I suggest going to find one if you need to talk some things
out and if you don't like one that you find it's not the end
of the world. There's a lot of them out there.
I've been blessed that my first therapist was the perfect one
for me so. It's like, it's like a comic
book. Yeah, there's thousands and
thousands and thousands of them.You just got to find the one
that's for you. That's for you.

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Yep. Now, if you're not ready to go
find one, that's OK. Yeah, we're not saying you need
to go do it right now. That's a different conversation.
When you're ready, start looking.
See, and that's the beauty of why I do what I do.
Instead of going to a therapist or a shrink or whatever, I just
talk to you guys. You know what I mean?
You know what, it's been great for us as well.
And there's, but there's always something that you can't talk
about with your friends. And that's when it comes to

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that's when you when you realizethat I think that's when when
therapy is. Comes to professionals, yeah.
It comes to you. I think that's when when you
find it. So it's beautiful, gentlemen.
Thanks for being here, guys. Thanks.
For having us, yeah. Hey, for everybody else out
there, thank you so much for making this podcast and platform
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Give you some stuff to think about over the weekend.
Like I said, if you need some therapy, you know, take the
gentleman's advice here, go out there and talk to somebody that
can help. It can help a lot.
The mind is a muscle and don't let the mind go weak.

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Don't let the body go weak. Need the nourishment, need the
help and need the support. Everybody has that lifeline,
that support beam. Get out there and talk to
somebody, get some help if you need some help.
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Get these gentlemen back in these four walls and a roof of a
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