July 25, 2025 • 35 mins
Greg and Chris dive into the painful reality of America's current political divide, exploring how we've reached a point of division neither has experienced in their lifetime.
They begin by reflecting on their Chicago upbringing, where political identity rarely defined relationships and neighbors of different viewpoints coexisted peacefully. This memory stands in stark contrast to today's America, where political alignment has become a fundamental aspect of personal identity and often a dealbreaker in relationships.
The hosts trace the seeds of our extreme polarization to the Clinton impeachment era, identifying it as perhaps the first modern instance of weaponized partisanship. But nothing compares to the seismic shift brought by Trump's presidency, which they argue not only deepened existing divisions but legitimized cruelty as an acceptable political tactic.
"Trump has given every asshole the comfort to feel that they can let their shit fly openly," they observe, discussing how this normalization of extreme behavior has infected every institution, from law enforcement to media. Particularly disturbing is their examination of police response to protests, with footage of officers using rubber bullets on non-threatening protesters raising questions about accountability and institutional failure.
The conversation reveals a painful truth: many Americans now struggle to imagine reconciliation with those on the opposite side of the political spectrum. Despite wanting to find hope, the hosts conclude without easy answers, offering only a raw, unfiltered assessment of a nation that has lost its moral compass and perhaps its ability to heal.
Join our unflinching exploration of America's divided soul and share your thoughts on whether there's a path forward for our fractured nation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to this fucking country.
This is Greg With me today.
Is Chris, how you doing, chris?
I am doing well, thank you.
So happy to hear that Today weare going to talk about the
division of Americans Just alevel I don't believe I've ever
encountered in my lifetime.
How about you?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
No, this is the worst and I'm trying to think is
there a flashpoint that causedall this?
Can you think of anything?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I got a couple ideas yeah, I'm imagining during the
Civil War it had to be prettyfucking bad, right.
I mean, the country was rippedapart, people were killing each
other.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yes, but at least they had the excuse of that.
Most people had no education.
Information was hard to come bybecause there was no, you know,
internet or telephones orthings that could spread
information, good and bad.
We have less excuse for beingstupid.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
That's true.
There was no access toinformation back then for a
massive amount of the population, as opposed to today where we
all have computers in ourpockets and we could find pretty
much anything we want to learnabout, and probably, if you look
up enough sources can find theactual truth of the matter.
You don't need to just guess.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Now, that is of course, if you want to know the
truth.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
That is true and obviously we have learned that a
lot of people they choose tojust decide what is their truth
and stick with that forbasically it sounds like their
lifetime.
So looking back, I mean, I canonly go back to my childhood,
and we grew up in Chicago.
I would say our neighborhoodwas middle class to lower middle
class.
I don't remember brands beingan issue ever.
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I remember basically wearingjeans and t-shirts to school all
the time.
I don't remember anybody havinga lot of money.
I don't remember anybody beingreally strictly Democrat or
Republican.
I think back in the day Ialways thought our neighborhood
was all Democrats, didn't youjust assume that?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Well, yeah, the South side, you would just kind of
think that's a given but, I'mnot sure if that's accurate or
not it just might be ourchildhood recollection.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, no, looking at it now, when I realized who we
grew up with and where everybodymoved to we had happened is we
had the whole white flight thingin our neighborhood.
We were in a pocket of racists.
That was pretty, prettyimpressive.
Yet we were not.
Our parents were great.
They did not raise us that way,but we were surrounded by it.
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Every day we're hearing youknow, oh, you better move, you,
you better move.
As I became an adult and Irealized where all these people
moved to, I went oh, oh, oh, oh,my, I was wrong.
We were not all democrats.
We were not all all liberalleaning people think a vast
majority of our neighborhoodwere racist, fucking twats and
probably are very strong trumpvoting republicans.
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Now, would you guess that?
Or where would you put everyone?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well, now, in hindsight, yes, Now just looking
back historically and seeinghow the Nazis felt comfortable
enough to march through a localpark multiple times during the
course of our, you know, fromour teens up through our young
adult life, indicates thatobviously that area was somewhat
welcoming.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
yeah, that kind of a idea ideology obviously we had
rose-tinted glasses, I thinkbecause of our parents being so,
uh, our parents being sonon-racist, I think of course we
just assumed right everybodyelse.
And again back when you're achild, no one's talking about
politics.
So who the fuck knew?
Now, I personally did not evenreally pay attention to politics
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until I'm going to say in my40s.
I think the first time I kindof recognized the, the clash of
ideologies in politics was in my40s when bill clinton was
getting persecuted for the wholemonica lewinsky blowjob thing
and I did not understand whythey were coming at him with
such anger and hatred.
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It was like blew my mindbecause he lied.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I mean, in theory, that's what they're claiming and
at the time, because I'm alittle bit older than you, I did
say in my own you know thoughtprocess that, yes, technically
the president shouldn't be lyingopenly about stuff.
Now what he was lying about wasstupid and it makes perfect
sense why he lied just to tryand keep his family life
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together.
But as far as now that justseems quaint.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Oh yeah, idea of it all, yeah I agree, but I don't
think they're going afterbecause he lied.
I think you and I weredisappointed in him for lying.
We were like oh and fuck you.
But the fact is, is theRepublicans the way they were
attacking him.
To me that was the first signof what was going on in the
Republican Party.
That was them being us versusthem, kind of a thing Like the
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kids' gloves are off.
That was the first time Inoticed that and I didn't know
that was happening back then.
I was just baffled.
I mean, we'd go to Mexico andpeople would be like what the
fuck is going on in your country?
Why is this such a big deal?
Because presidents are havingaffairs all over the world and
nobody seems to care.
And you got all theseChristians, christian
nationalists, kind of goingafter this guy and I'm like I
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don't know.
But that was like my eyeopening thing.
How about you?
Well, I think the the big thingwas.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I mean and again, this is just my opinion, but I'm
almost of the belief that thereason they went after clinton
so hard was he had aone-in-a-lifetime kind of
popularity.
He was doing very, very well,he made a surplus for our
economy and a lot of peoplereally liked him.
And I think that's what drewout the republicans, because
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they were thinking, shit, thisguy is going to make us, this is
going to be a one-party, uhcountry soon, because we don't
have anyone who can compete withthis guy.
So we've got to knock him downa peg and we've got to destroy
him in any way, in any meanspossible and it's.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
It's funny too, because since then the hatred
toward the clinton family likehillary, the whole thing, man,
that is off the fucking chartsagain just baffles me.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Just I, I don't get it because if you, if you listen
to what the conservatives andthe republicans are telling you
uh, hillary and bill areresponsible for multiple
homicides.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, but you know they don't believe that that's
my point.
Oh no, I think they do.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I think they're stupid enough to believe it.
Because Fox News told them, soit must be true.
Oh, you mean the voters?
Yeah, I think the votersbelieve it.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
But I'm talking about the politicians, I'm talking
about the attacks on them.
Still, I don't think any ofthese people in politics are
that dumb that they believe thisshit.
They're selling it like theybelieve it, but I don't think
any of these guys fuckingbelieve that shit.
I think they're just pitchingit to the masses because they
are that fucking dumb well, andI don't.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I don't think they stand for anything or believe in
anything other than wanting toget re-elected.
So whatever, if they need todestroy hillary clinton and bill
clinton and whoever else, uh, Imean fucking trump is still
trying to destroy biden andbiden's, you know on his way out
the door.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I mean he's dying and you know he's still threatened
by him yeah so I mean they'rejust trying to destroy any kind
of possible competition whenwhen, would you say, you first
kind of realized that theparties, our two-party system,
as wonderful as that fucking isis insane, and realize how
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polarized people were becoming?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
That's hard because I don't think there was any kind
of defining moment or some kindof epiphany for me.
I think it was just somethingwhere I started, you know, being
more aware of the politicallandscape and watching words
were getting harsher, theattacks were getting more
personal, and I think I justwent from believing and probably
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wrongly so that our country wasa bunch of people that had
differing opinions.
Wrongly so, that our countrywas a bunch of people that had
differing opinions.
But in the end we are.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Our common core was that we wanted our country to be
the best it could be foreverybody, and I found out now
that was super, super naive andnot even close to being true
yeah, I, I agree, I think, um, Ithink back in the day, whatever
the fuck that politicians,while they differed on what they
wanted and what they believed,at least they could work
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together, at least they can getshit done.
And I think that goes acrossdown to the people, to the
voters.
I think it was the same thing.
Is that?
You know, we all kind of werelike this is America.
God bless America.
Red, white and blue.
Sure, I want my guy to win, butthat's OK.
Well, as long as your guy stillkeeps things going and whatever
.
For most of our life, that'swhat we had.
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All of a sudden, what the fuckhappened?
I mean, our interests as voters, as citizens, are still the
same.
We still want to have a job, westill want security, we still
want futures for our children.
We still want to believe whatwe want to believe.
Go to church whatever church wewant to, if we want to marry
who we want.
I mean again, I think it's beena transitional thing.
It's been happening now for adecade or two.
It is so divisive right now Idon't know what happens from now
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on I don't think we're gonnaever go back to what we had.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
But I mean, quite honestly, if you really look
when george w bush was ourpresident, I kept thinking he's
the stupidest fucker I've everseen in the white house and I
didn't like.
I didn't agree with anything hedid.
But things were stillrelatively civil between the two
parties and there was stillbipartisan cooperation on
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certain things.
The only thing that's theconsistent outlier is when
donald trump came on the scene,he, he started dividing
everything.
Now, maybe that was whateverybody wanted on the right
well, yeah, that's been going onfor years.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
That's what they've been going at.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
He was like their wet dream right, it was never this
personal and it was never so.
Either listen to what I have tosay or fuck you.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I want you dead, yeah well, when trump was in office
the first time, there were stillsome people.
There were still republicanswith morals and some balls and
spines who were still in office,who were like shutting him down
when he wanted to do the crazyshit.
They learned from that and, ofcourse, now they got rid of any
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sane person and now it's justyou know, sycophants, just you
know, helping him break the law.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Well, I mean, I would say that the last observable
sign that there was any kind ofpossible cooperation between the
two parties was toward the end,when biden tried to do that
immigration bill, thatbipartisan immigration I
shouldn't say biden, because itwasn't it was a republican who
came up with it.
Right, but it was bipartisan andbiden would have approved it
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and everything else and trumpliterally shit on it and made it
go away.
But that was the last timewhere republicans Democrats were
all on the same.
Well, some Republicans and theDemocrats were all on the same
side and trying to actually getsomething done.
That would have been good forthe country and you would think
any aware person watching whatTrump did to that would tell
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them all you need to know aboutTrump.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, I mean Trump.
I think has been just, you know, fuck everybody.
That's not helping him get rich.
With every step of hispresidency all the way along
boggles my mind how the fuckpeople don't see that.
I don't see how the fuck wecome back from this.
Because the first term of his Iwas like, okay, fuck anyone who
voted for him.
And then I'm thinking there'sno fucking way this guy could
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win again.
I thought that the first time,but thinking there's no fucking
way this guy could win again.
I thought that the first time,but I thought there's who the
fuck would vote for him afterwhat he did the first term.
So the fact that he won againkind of sickened me even more
than that first time, which isreally hard to say and hard to
do To me, like my gut instinctis any new person I meet is the
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first thing I want to say tothem is who'd you vote for?
Because if they say Trump, Idon't need to have another
fucking word with them.
Well, you think you're in thesame ballpark or you're not as
severe.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I don't think you even have to ask.
All you have to do is have atwo-minute conversation with
somebody and I think you canpretty much get a vibe.
Donald Trump has given everyasshole the comfort to feel that
they can let their shit flyopenly.
You know, they can say the mostvile shit, they can just rip on
people and be cruel andeverything else, and it's all
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okay because Donald's okay withit.
I think you could have aconversation at a party and
somebody could walk up to youand say, oh hi, this is
so-and-so and this is my wifeand within two minutes just
talking to them about anything.
I think you know.
Ask them about the environment,you'll know, right?
Um, like our man, look at allthose hurricanes that are coming
with no warning.
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See how they respond.
You don't have to actually askthem, and then you can sit there
and say, oh, you know what, Igotta go play with myself,
because that's more, you know,satisfying than talking to more.
I'm gonna go slap my dick in adoor, yeah generally speaking, I
think you're right.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
But there are those people who are just fucking
clueless.
And then there's the people whodon't fucking care.
I've got what's the word.
I'm acquaintances with peoplethrough friends or family or
whatever, that I don't talk tobecause of who they are.
But I know if I talk to them Icould have a conversation
probably for an hour.
We could talk about drinkingand partying, all sorts of fun
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shit, and that I would never getan indication that they voted
for that.
I can't talk to them anymore.
I just can't fucking do it.
I'm like there's no fucking way.
I want nothing to do with you.
Either you're so fuckingignorant or you're so fucking
lazy, or you're so fucking lazyor you're so fucking stupid or
you're so fucking horrible thatI'm like why would I want you in
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my life?
Why would I waste any of thebreath I've got left on you?
And I don't see that everchanging it probably won't I?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I think we have hit that point of no return, that
the one that I still am kind ofconfused about, only because I
have people that I actually careabout, who are politically
agnostic, to say, to put a wayof doing it, even them, I, you
know, it used to be okay, Iunderstand, and in in one
thought pattern in my head Ithink well, you see what's
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happening, how can you stilllike be agnostic, how can you
not take a side just because howbad is?
By the other side, I look and Isee all the shits that that's
happening and I feel socompletely helpless.
And I I made a comment onsocial media today about the
democrats are do nothing cowards, and somebody challenged me
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said well, okay, what can theydo without having a majority in
either house and the supremecourt and everything else?
And I had no answer for it.
I really didn't.
So the people who say, well,what, what can I do?
I can kind of see their point.
What can we do?
we can keep protesting, butother than me going out and
starting to kill people in theirhomes because they're trumpers,
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I and I'm not saying I'm doingthat- by the way I don't know
what the what we can do and,quite honestly, when the
elections come, I don't feel anymore confident voting for a
democrat anyway, because theydon't do anything obviously I
would feel much more confidentvoting for a democrat.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
But yeah, I agree that they are useless and
probably complicit in all thisfucking mess.
I want to believe something canchange.
I want to believe that thingswill shift Again.
I can't see anything coming.
I don't see anything happeningother than bad shit on the
horizon.
But let's assume somethingmiraculous happens and somebody
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does something, and well, weknow he's not going to get
arrested.
He's probably going to finishhis term.
We don't know what damage isgoing to happen before then well
, we can hope for him dying wewe do hope that, but but still,
let's assume that we do stillhave elections and they're not
challenged and thrown out by thesupreme court who's you know,
basically sucking his dick too.
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Assuming best case, best casescenario we have the elections
in November, the government andthe country has still not
flushed completely down thetoilet, then chances are good he
will have fucked over enoughpeople in this country that he
will lose both houses.
But so what?
He won't have the power he hadbefore, I hope.
But the fact of the matter isthe damage has been done.
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I don't know what to do, man.
It's like.
On one level, I'm reallyimpressed with some of my
friends and my citizens who areprotesting.
We talked before about that.
There's people getting up,they're doing shit and I'm so
impressed with them.
So I'm very happy with some ofthe people in this country.
I'm so impressed with them, soI'm very happy with some of the
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people in this country.
And then the other ones, I'mlike, oh dude, I can't wait for
his shit to fucking hit you.
Man, I hope you are the fuckingassholes that lose your jobs.
I hope you're the ones who loseyour 401ks.
It's like you voted for thisshit.
I hope you fucking suffer fromit, because this is what you
wanted.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Well, and that's the thing, too is I am officially
done with that bullshit sayingabout how well you voted for
this, so you get it.
No, no, no, we didn't vote forthis.
We don't deserve this.
But these people this isexactly what they voted for, so
fuck them.
They can't sit there and say Ididn't vote for this, yes, you
did.
You know what?
He's not surprising anybody.
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He's doing everything.
They they published the fuckingproject 2025 prior to the
election and they still votedhim well, in theory, voted him
in.
Now there's a couple thingsthat could happen that what's
going on in new york in that onecounty about?
doing the recount and they'resaying that it regulates if that
spreads a little.
I don't see it happening, butthat's my ultimate dream.
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But if worse comes to worse andtrump dies or we take back the
house and senate and then he'sjust rendered, you know,
impotent for his last two and ahalf year, three years, I'll
take that because what I thinkwill happen is if we get anybody
of any kind of decent moral andpolitical bent in the White
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House, it will take away thescumbag's freedom to be a piece
of shit openly.
And just like when you turn thelights on and the cockroaches
all run, I'm hoping they'll alljust crawl back under their
rocks and stay there.
It doesn't mean they're notthere.
But as long as I don't have tohear them and listen to them, I
can live the rest of my daysthat way and I guess that's the
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way I'm going to have to, whatI'll have to accept that that's
the best I'll have.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I guess that's the best we're going to be able to
deal with.
But knowing they're there, it'slike you always had some idea
that there were still a bunch ofracists and Out there, but you
didn't know how many.
That's the scary thing youdidn't know how vast the network
was.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
It's not the numbers, it's how vile they are.
Okay, we have a family memberthat we found out is a big
Trumper and they like to poststuff on social media bragging
about the cruelty, and that'swhat surprises me.
I've had friends that wereracist.
It was hard, but we just agreedto not talk about that kind of
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thing and I didn't bring myblack friends around when they
were around, and he just neversaid his shit in front of me.
But this is different.
This is cruelty just for thesake of being cruel.
And have you heard that videoof that little baby crying?
That little child crying?
Of course, and it's like Idon't know how anyone, any
decent human being, can listento that and still say anything
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in support of Trump.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So, if you can, that tells me that you're way beyond
racist, you're way beyond stupid, you are pure evil and cruel,
and that's a whole differentkind of thing yeah, that's,
that's a level of, and again,it's just, it's enforcing my, my
, my point is that I there'sjust just no turning back, and
the side effect of this, too, isknowing all these people are
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like this way.
I, I keep thinking about thepolice again.
I've never had the bestattitude toward the police ever,
but now it's so much worse,it's like, because I mean,
before it was, you see theoccasional person, you see the
george floyd thing.
You know, you go.
Okay, there's always, there'salways going to be racist pieces
of shit out there, right, but Ithought it was fewer and far
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between.
And now I'm watching thesefucking la cops fucking shoot
people in the fucking face.
I'm watching, uh, theseassholes to be, fair.
They were white people that theyshot in the face and in the leg
.
Yes, they were.
But I'm watching them arrestsenators.
I'm watching them do thebidding do the unlawful fucking
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bidding of these corruptmotherfuckers and it's like okay
, you obviously don't give ashit about your oath, you
obviously will do whatever thefuck they tell you.
I honestly don't know how yougo back from that.
I mean, I always kind ofquestion the police, but I would
kind of approach carefully andif they seem like they are cool
I'm like great.
I honestly am now very afraid.
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I want nothing to do with, I donot want to deal with police
officers at all anymore, if Ican help it.
I got my CCL because I had nofaith in them doing what they're
supposed to do.
I am now actually terrified ofthe police.
That's what they're going for.
Great fucking job, you fuckingNazis.
I apologize to the good copsout there.
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I know there's a percentage ofgreat fucking cops and I am so
sorry that you are surrounded bya bunch of pieces of shit.
I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I don't disagree with how you feel about the ones we
see doing what they're doing,but that is such a small number.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I just looked it up.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
There are over 1.28 million police officers in this
country.
Give me an estimate, a bigestimate over.
Guess how many cops do youthink we've seen doing bad shit
since this all started?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Well, if I had to go proportionally, like if I'm
watching a video and let's saythere's like five cops right
with guns trying to keep peopleback and one of them shooting,
those are bad odds.
Now, if you want to sit thereand say how many cops overall
and how many do I think aregoing to be good or like
disgusting, like do that type ofshit, that number is probably
going to be very small.
But so far, I mean, look at thevideos you're watching.
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You you see these ice assholesabducting children.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
You're not police.
They are no, no, I understandthat.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
But the police are there to I think they said what
they're there to fucking protectthe citizens or maintain
security.
For, yeah, fuck, they are right.
You watch people trying to ripthis mother or this child out of
these ice assholes' arms, andthe cops they're not just
fucking holding people, they arefucking shoving these people
into trees.
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I mean, dude, I don't know.
I don't want to come across andbe like anti-cop because, again
, I'm sure it's ashit-fucking-hard job and the
public sentiment toward them isunjust and fucked up, but the
fact is, you watch this type ofshit and that's the problem
Everything Trump touches turnsto shit.
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So, unfortunately, the policehave to back these assholes up,
but there's more and morefootage of them fucking throwing
people down, arresting peoplewho should not be arrested.
I don't know it's just bad.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Here I'll be the devil's advocate and I'm not
saying I disagree with you intheory.
Imagine you're a police officerand you've been doing it for 25
years, getting ready to retirein five years, you got a nice
pension lined up and everythingelse.
Police officer and you've beendoing it for 25 years, getting
ready to retire in five years,you got a nice pension lined up
and everything else and you getordered to go and be perimeter
security uh, while ice doestheir operations.
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What your opinion on it doesn'tmean shit.
You, you're you're told to dothis and your options are to not
do it, disoobey a direct orderand be fired and lose your
pension.
Or even if you have a greatargument and you know that, you
can bring a lawsuit and you'llprobably win seven, ten years
down the line.
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Until then, your family has noincome, your pension is at risk
and everything else.
So the problem with this isthese guys and women don't have
a lot of choices on what they do.
Now the throwing stuff, throwingpeople down on the ground
here's the problem.
You saw the thing with thesenator today.
They ordered them to remove himfrom the thing.
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His standing as a senatordoesn't really matter.
The fact is is somebody washaving an event I don't know if
it was a public event or if itwas a private but they told him
to leave.
He resisted, they, they, theywere over the top on my, in my
opinion.
But the thing is is it's you?
What do you do if they'retelling you I want him removed
and he's resisting you?
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You you're in a between a rockand a hard place.
I'm not justifying what they'redoing, but here's my question
when I was a police officer, ifI did something wrong, or even
if what I did was perceived tobe wrong, somebody could go to
my police department and file acomplaint.
They would investigate it andif it was found to be that I had
violated the rules or thepolicies of our department, I
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could face discipline leading upall the way to termination and
even criminal charges.
Why is that not open to us?
Federal officers don't have anyfree reign to do whatever the
fuck they want.
So my question is where do wego in the government to file
official complaints?
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Because you know what they.
They're identifying these copsnow, and especially when it's
the cops doing it, because theyare still wearing their name
plates and their patches and youknow who they work for, yeah,
so why aren't people filingcomplaints against these people?
Yes, will it?
Will anything happen?
Well, under this administrationprobably not, but they still
should do it.
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So we have a paper trail toshow that, when things balance
out, these fuckers all have tonot only lose their jobs, but
lose their pensions and go tojail, and that's not an option,
and at least that's not theoption I feel we have presented
to us.
And why aren't the democratsand intelligent people or decent
people who are law scholars orsomething, why aren't they
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telling us how to combat this?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Good point To your point.
I think with the senator.
I don't think those areactually police officers.
I think that was either FBI orthe goons that were working
specifically for.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It wasn't FBI because I tried to blow up the pictures
.
I've seen a lot of FBI badgesin my day.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Those weren't FBI badges Well one guy in the
hallway who was putting them incuffs had an FBI vest on, and on
the back it said FBI.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
It did I'm pretty sure, because I saw something
where it said police and then ithad some word, like a small
three-letter word over it, butI've worked with the.
Fbi a lot of times and theydon't have FBI police, because
that's not the same thing.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Well, again, I mean, the fact is they've got their
own little Nazi squads doingwhatever the fuck they want.
Most of the shit I've seen hasnot been police officers.
Before the fucking police wereshooting those people in LA, I
would not have really said toomuch about the actual police.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I know they're in a bad fucking situation and, I
think, a lot of excuse for whathappened in LA them shooting
those rubber bullets at peoplethat were a hundred yards away.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I do believe that somebody is pressing charges
against those people, those cops, and I hope so, because I
public.
We need public record of thistype of shit, and who those
fucking assholes?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
are, and it won't be hard to find out who they are.
Or how about that poor girl whowas just trying to walk to her
house, my god, yeah, point blankrange.
Yeah, she was not a threat inany way.
And that's the thing is.
Police have a use of forcecontinuum that we have to follow
that you only can use thenecessary force to an effect an
arrest and you can only uselethal force when it's to save a
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life or if somebody is ispresenting lethal force.
And none of this is the case,and I don't understand.
Cops are generally veryhesitant to police each other.
That whole thin blue line is abunch of bullshit, but the fact
is is it does take nerve to sitthere and stop a fellow officer
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from doing something likeroughing somebody up, but it has
to be done because now you knowwhat's going on, you see what's
happening.
You have to be going into workevery day going OK, this is what
my line is and I'm not going toallow it to cross.
And no one's doing that.
They're just kind of just likejellyfish floating in the ocean.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, I don't know if anything's happening.
You know, obviously we don'tknow, like the group of cops
that were lined up with thoseguns and the one guy who shot,
we don't know, maybe those guysare fucking ripping that guy a
new asshole.
I don't know if anything'shappening at all.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Then they should come out and say that we're doing an
investigation, they've beenremoved, they're on suspension.
That's all they'd have to do,you know, because then we would
have a belief that the thingsare being done properly.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
But I think you and I agree that police spokespeople
are probably the worst fuckingspokespeople on the fucking
planet.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Especially Chicago.
Yeah, just horse shit Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
The point is.
This, though, is like you see,you can see 20 fucking cops
right, and you see one fuckingcop take a shot at some poor
girl five feet away.
You're not thinking, oh, it'sonly one out of 20.
You're thinking what a fuckingnazi cunt I mean.
And that's it, and that's your,that's what your takeaway is
from those fucking cops, so thatone jag off, that's it but
we're too smart to just do that,to, to just look and see.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Oh look, there's a hundred cops lined up.
One guy who's got obviously amicro phallus is doing shit.
That's outside the norm.
And what we owe that girl thatgot shot like that.
What we owe her is to go overand try and find out what that
motherfucker's name is, getpictures and follow up.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, okay that one time out of 100 guys, and then
the other time the one guy outof 100.
And then the other time one guyand then the other time.
Right See, the problem is it'sa fucking pattern.
Now how many people have beenshot with rubber bullets so far
that were not a threat to thepolice?
Three or four, five.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Anybody been shot that actually deserved it Right,
so the problem.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
There could have been 10 million fucking cops out
there, but the fact that we justwatched in the last week six
fucking people get shot withrubber bullets I'm like holy
shit, that is just a bad look.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
And again, how the fuck do you come back from this?
I want to know.
I want to go ask one of thosepolice chiefs, like the la uh
chief or something, and say okay, I watched you on an interview.
You said that 99 of the peopleare being peaceful and
everything else.
So if that's the case, sir andthis is where the media fails I
would say sir, you said that 99%of the people are being
peaceful, what are you doingabout the police officers that
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are brutalizing people that havedone nothing wrong?
What are you doing about it?
We want to know and get ananswer, because we need to hold
their feet to the fire.
We can't just sit there and go.
Well, these guys are assholesand we got to make sure we call
them on it and never lose sightof those things, I agree, but
there's no accountabilityanymore.
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Not so far no.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I mean, that's Trump's whole thing.
There's no accountability.
It's like, do whatever the fuckyou want.
I don't think.
I mean I'm old enough now.
I don't think there's chanceI'll live long enough to ever
fucking change my mind at thispoint about my fellow citizens,
the ones who have votedrepublican, and I even have
problems.
I mean the politicians who aresilent scum.
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I mean just every one of them.
Who's enabled this?
Who's let this happen?
I mean, how the fuck do yousleep?
What do your children think ofyou?
It's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Well, I mean, there's no way to justify it, there's
no rationale for it.
Their big thing was having CoryBooker talk for 25 hours
without a bathroom break.
Talk is cheap.
Instead of talking to yourfellows Congress people who have
heard it all before, why don'tyou go talk to the police chief
in LA and ask what they're doingabout this abuse of power by
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the police?
Why don't we do that?
Why don't we look aboutstarting resolutions in Congress
condemning this kind of act?
Why don't we do all thosethings?
So at least you're going on anofficial record as having done
something.
So in the history books, ifthey're allowed to be written
accurately in the future, theysay what did you do?
What did you do to stop thisHolocaust?
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And well, I talked for 25 hours.
That's not enough, sir.
You need to do more.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
We are in such a bad spot as a country, as a people,
I don't have any hope for this.
We'll see what happens.
I mean our media, I don't evenknow.
I want to say they're useless.
I think they're actuallycomplicit.
Also, I think it's another caseof people I got a good living
here.
I gonna tell.
I'm gonna just say what fuckingpeople tell me to say.
I don't care about the truth.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
It's just every aspect of humanity is being
tested and so many of them arefailing so many fired that one
reporter for posting somethingon his own social media, just
saying something that wasactually true about Stephen
Miller.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Well, that's because that she wants to sell, because
she wants to wants to sell thecompany and she needs the
approval.
And Trump will not let them getthe approval for the sale
unless they kiss his ass.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
And again.
So they'll do it because that'smore important than doing the
right thing.
Transactional ethics is thingof the day in the United States.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, and it probably has been for a long time, and I
think this level of disgust formy fellow citizens it was
probably not this high, but itprobably should have been.
I just didn't know that this iswhat people really felt and
this is how disgusting peoplecould be and this is how low of
a moral character that half ofthis country actually is capable
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of being.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
But I know now I got a real quick scenario.
I want you to tell me what youwould do.
Let's say, you come acrosssomebody that you know that
tells you, yeah, they voted forTrump and they regret it.
They have such deep sorrow andregret for having done this.
What's your response?
Are you going to sit there andaccept that and say I apologize
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to the depths of my soul.
I don't know what I wasthinking, I was in a bad place
and I just you know whateverbullshit excuse they want to
make, but they're sitting theresaying, hat in hand, mea culpa.
What are you going to do?
I mean, because I know what I'mdoing I'm going to give them
the big old middle finger andsay too late too late.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
First off, I think it's funny that you would even
think somebody would actually dothat, because I don't think
that's ever going to happen.
My experience has been peopleare just doubling down, even if
deep inside they're like, ohshit, I didn't really want this
bad.
I think they're just doublingdown.
I don't think there's going tobe a person on this fucking
planet unless, of course,something really bad happens to
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them and they're like, oh shit,I did not expect this.
Then they're going to go oh, Iam so sorry, but someone to just
see what's happening to otherpeople and then go oh, that's
not what I wanted, I'm so sorry,I don't think that's ever going
to happen.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I'm not saying in this current environment, I'm
saying, let's say, the tideturns and all of a sudden, uh,
trump dies, uh and jd vance getscaught fucking a couch,
whatever, and the dems takecontrol of both.
Clarence, thomas and alito goto prison and let's say all the
wonderful things you arefantasizing.
You know our wet dreams are, youknow, are made of, but let's
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say, all that happens.
So now the tide has turned andthey, now they realize, oh, now,
because I want to live inpolite society.
That's a way where I could seethem doing it just to save face
yeah, yeah, fuck them.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, fuck them.
Yeah, fuck everyone looks likehim and fuck everyone's related
to this fucking country exactlyall right.
Well, that's enough ranting onthis one.
I believe I was hoping at thebeginning of this somehow you or
I would say something thatwould kind of make me have a
glimmer of hope.
But I've got none.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Trump eats a lot of Big Macs.
He could still die.
Yeah, yeah he's fuck.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
You know what the good die young and the evil last
forever.
Man, he's not going to dieanytime soon.
Hello and welcome to this fucking country.
This is Greg With me today.
Is Chris, how you doing, chris?
I am doing well, thank you.
So happy to hear that Today weare going to talk about the
division of Americans Just alevel I don't believe I've ever
encountered in my lifetime.
How about you?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
No, this is the worst and I'm trying to think is
there a flashpoint that causedall this?
Can you think of anything?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I got a couple ideas yeah, I'm imagining during the
Civil War it had to be prettyfucking bad, right.
I mean, the country was rippedapart, people were killing each
other.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yes, but at least they had the excuse of that.
Most people had no education.
Information was hard to come bybecause there was no, you know,
internet or telephones orthings that could spread
information, good and bad.
We have less excuse for beingstupid.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
That's true.
There was no access toinformation back then for a
massive amount of the population, as opposed to today where we
all have computers in ourpockets and we could find pretty
much anything we want to learnabout, and probably, if you look
up enough sources can find theactual truth of the matter.
You don't need to just guess.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Now, that is of course, if you want to know the
truth.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
That is true and obviously we have learned that a
lot of people they choose tojust decide what is their truth
and stick with that forbasically it sounds like their
lifetime.
So looking back, I mean, I canonly go back to my childhood,
and we grew up in Chicago.
I would say our neighborhoodwas middle class to lower middle
class.
I don't remember brands beingan issue ever.
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I remember basically wearingjeans and t-shirts to school all
the time.
I don't remember anybody havinga lot of money.
I don't remember anybody beingreally strictly Democrat or
Republican.
I think back in the day Ialways thought our neighborhood
was all Democrats, didn't youjust assume that?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Well, yeah, the South side, you would just kind of
think that's a given but, I'mnot sure if that's accurate or
not it just might be ourchildhood recollection.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, no, looking at it now, when I realized who we
grew up with and where everybodymoved to we had happened is we
had the whole white flight thingin our neighborhood.
We were in a pocket of racists.
That was pretty, prettyimpressive.
Yet we were not.
Our parents were great.
They did not raise us that way,but we were surrounded by it.
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Every day we're hearing youknow, oh, you better move, you,
you better move.
As I became an adult and Irealized where all these people
moved to, I went oh, oh, oh, oh,my, I was wrong.
We were not all democrats.
We were not all all liberalleaning people think a vast
majority of our neighborhoodwere racist, fucking twats and
probably are very strong trumpvoting republicans.
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Now, would you guess that?
Or where would you put everyone?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well, now, in hindsight, yes, Now just looking
back historically and seeinghow the Nazis felt comfortable
enough to march through a localpark multiple times during the
course of our, you know, fromour teens up through our young
adult life, indicates thatobviously that area was somewhat
welcoming.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
yeah, that kind of a idea ideology obviously we had
rose-tinted glasses, I thinkbecause of our parents being so,
uh, our parents being sonon-racist, I think of course we
just assumed right everybodyelse.
And again back when you're achild, no one's talking about
politics.
So who the fuck knew?
Now, I personally did not evenreally pay attention to politics
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until I'm going to say in my40s.
I think the first time I kindof recognized the, the clash of
ideologies in politics was in my40s when bill clinton was
getting persecuted for the wholemonica lewinsky blowjob thing
and I did not understand whythey were coming at him with
such anger and hatred.
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It was like blew my mindbecause he lied.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I mean, in theory, that's what they're claiming and
at the time, because I'm alittle bit older than you, I did
say in my own you know thoughtprocess that, yes, technically
the president shouldn't be lyingopenly about stuff.
Now what he was lying about wasstupid and it makes perfect
sense why he lied just to tryand keep his family life
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together.
But as far as now that justseems quaint.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Oh yeah, idea of it all, yeah I agree, but I don't
think they're going afterbecause he lied.
I think you and I weredisappointed in him for lying.
We were like oh and fuck you.
But the fact is, is theRepublicans the way they were
attacking him.
To me that was the first signof what was going on in the
Republican Party.
That was them being us versusthem, kind of a thing Like the
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kids' gloves are off.
That was the first time Inoticed that and I didn't know
that was happening back then.
I was just baffled.
I mean, we'd go to Mexico andpeople would be like what the
fuck is going on in your country?
Why is this such a big deal?
Because presidents are havingaffairs all over the world and
nobody seems to care.
And you got all theseChristians, christian
nationalists, kind of goingafter this guy and I'm like I
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don't know.
But that was like my eyeopening thing.
How about you?
Well, I think the the big thingwas.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I mean and again, this is just my opinion, but I'm
almost of the belief that thereason they went after clinton
so hard was he had aone-in-a-lifetime kind of
popularity.
He was doing very, very well,he made a surplus for our
economy and a lot of peoplereally liked him.
And I think that's what drewout the republicans, because
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they were thinking, shit, thisguy is going to make us, this is
going to be a one-party, uhcountry soon, because we don't
have anyone who can compete withthis guy.
So we've got to knock him downa peg and we've got to destroy
him in any way, in any meanspossible and it's.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
It's funny too, because since then the hatred
toward the clinton family likehillary, the whole thing, man,
that is off the fucking chartsagain just baffles me.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Just I, I don't get it because if you, if you listen
to what the conservatives andthe republicans are telling you
uh, hillary and bill areresponsible for multiple
homicides.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, but you know they don't believe that that's
my point.
Oh no, I think they do.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I think they're stupid enough to believe it.
Because Fox News told them, soit must be true.
Oh, you mean the voters?
Yeah, I think the votersbelieve it.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
But I'm talking about the politicians, I'm talking
about the attacks on them.
Still, I don't think any ofthese people in politics are
that dumb that they believe thisshit.
They're selling it like theybelieve it, but I don't think
any of these guys fuckingbelieve that shit.
I think they're just pitchingit to the masses because they
are that fucking dumb well, andI don't.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I don't think they stand for anything or believe in
anything other than wanting toget re-elected.
So whatever, if they need todestroy hillary clinton and bill
clinton and whoever else, uh, Imean fucking trump is still
trying to destroy biden andbiden's, you know on his way out
the door.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I mean he's dying and you know he's still threatened
by him yeah so I mean they'rejust trying to destroy any kind
of possible competition whenwhen, would you say, you first
kind of realized that theparties, our two-party system,
as wonderful as that fucking isis insane, and realize how
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polarized people were becoming?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
That's hard because I don't think there was any kind
of defining moment or some kindof epiphany for me.
I think it was just somethingwhere I started, you know, being
more aware of the politicallandscape and watching words
were getting harsher, theattacks were getting more
personal, and I think I justwent from believing and probably
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wrongly so that our country wasa bunch of people that had
differing opinions.
Wrongly so, that our countrywas a bunch of people that had
differing opinions.
But in the end we are.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Our common core was that we wanted our country to be
the best it could be foreverybody, and I found out now
that was super, super naive andnot even close to being true
yeah, I, I agree, I think, um, Ithink back in the day, whatever
the fuck that politicians,while they differed on what they
wanted and what they believed,at least they could work
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together, at least they can getshit done.
And I think that goes acrossdown to the people, to the
voters.
I think it was the same thing.
Is that?
You know, we all kind of werelike this is America.
God bless America.
Red, white and blue.
Sure, I want my guy to win, butthat's OK.
Well, as long as your guy stillkeeps things going and whatever
.
For most of our life, that'swhat we had.
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All of a sudden, what the fuckhappened?
I mean, our interests as voters, as citizens, are still the
same.
We still want to have a job, westill want security, we still
want futures for our children.
We still want to believe whatwe want to believe.
Go to church whatever church wewant to, if we want to marry
who we want.
I mean again, I think it's beena transitional thing.
It's been happening now for adecade or two.
It is so divisive right now Idon't know what happens from now
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on I don't think we're gonnaever go back to what we had.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
But I mean, quite honestly, if you really look
when george w bush was ourpresident, I kept thinking he's
the stupidest fucker I've everseen in the white house and I
didn't like.
I didn't agree with anything hedid.
But things were stillrelatively civil between the two
parties and there was stillbipartisan cooperation on
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certain things.
The only thing that's theconsistent outlier is when
donald trump came on the scene,he, he started dividing
everything.
Now, maybe that was whateverybody wanted on the right
well, yeah, that's been going onfor years.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
That's what they've been going at.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
He was like their wet dream right, it was never this
personal and it was never so.
Either listen to what I have tosay or fuck you.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I want you dead, yeah well, when trump was in office
the first time, there were stillsome people.
There were still republicanswith morals and some balls and
spines who were still in office,who were like shutting him down
when he wanted to do the crazyshit.
They learned from that and, ofcourse, now they got rid of any
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sane person and now it's justyou know, sycophants, just you
know, helping him break the law.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Well, I mean, I would say that the last observable
sign that there was any kind ofpossible cooperation between the
two parties was toward the end,when biden tried to do that
immigration bill, thatbipartisan immigration I
shouldn't say biden, because itwasn't it was a republican who
came up with it.
Right, but it was bipartisan andbiden would have approved it
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and everything else and trumpliterally shit on it and made it
go away.
But that was the last timewhere republicans Democrats were
all on the same.
Well, some Republicans and theDemocrats were all on the same
side and trying to actually getsomething done.
That would have been good forthe country and you would think
any aware person watching whatTrump did to that would tell
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them all you need to know aboutTrump.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, I mean Trump.
I think has been just, you know, fuck everybody.
That's not helping him get rich.
With every step of hispresidency all the way along
boggles my mind how the fuckpeople don't see that.
I don't see how the fuck wecome back from this.
Because the first term of his Iwas like, okay, fuck anyone who
voted for him.
And then I'm thinking there'sno fucking way this guy could
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win again.
I thought that the first time,but thinking there's no fucking
way this guy could win again.
I thought that the first time,but I thought there's who the
fuck would vote for him afterwhat he did the first term.
So the fact that he won againkind of sickened me even more
than that first time, which isreally hard to say and hard to
do To me, like my gut instinctis any new person I meet is the
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first thing I want to say tothem is who'd you vote for?
Because if they say Trump, Idon't need to have another
fucking word with them.
Well, you think you're in thesame ballpark or you're not as
severe.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I don't think you even have to ask.
All you have to do is have atwo-minute conversation with
somebody and I think you canpretty much get a vibe.
Donald Trump has given everyasshole the comfort to feel that
they can let their shit flyopenly.
You know, they can say the mostvile shit, they can just rip on
people and be cruel andeverything else, and it's all
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okay because Donald's okay withit.
I think you could have aconversation at a party and
somebody could walk up to youand say, oh hi, this is
so-and-so and this is my wifeand within two minutes just
talking to them about anything.
I think you know.
Ask them about the environment,you'll know, right?
Um, like our man, look at allthose hurricanes that are coming
with no warning.
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See how they respond.
You don't have to actually askthem, and then you can sit there
and say, oh, you know what, Igotta go play with myself,
because that's more, you know,satisfying than talking to more.
I'm gonna go slap my dick in adoor, yeah generally speaking, I
think you're right.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
But there are those people who are just fucking
clueless.
And then there's the people whodon't fucking care.
I've got what's the word.
I'm acquaintances with peoplethrough friends or family or
whatever, that I don't talk tobecause of who they are.
But I know if I talk to them Icould have a conversation
probably for an hour.
We could talk about drinkingand partying, all sorts of fun
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shit, and that I would never getan indication that they voted
for that.
I can't talk to them anymore.
I just can't fucking do it.
I'm like there's no fucking way.
I want nothing to do with you.
Either you're so fuckingignorant or you're so fucking
lazy, or you're so fucking lazyor you're so fucking stupid or
you're so fucking horrible thatI'm like why would I want you in
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my life?
Why would I waste any of thebreath I've got left on you?
And I don't see that everchanging it probably won't I?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I think we have hit that point of no return, that
the one that I still am kind ofconfused about, only because I
have people that I actually careabout, who are politically
agnostic, to say, to put a wayof doing it, even them, I, you
know, it used to be okay, Iunderstand, and in in one
thought pattern in my head Ithink well, you see what's
(13:56):
happening, how can you stilllike be agnostic, how can you
not take a side just because howbad is?
By the other side, I look and Isee all the shits that that's
happening and I feel socompletely helpless.
And I I made a comment onsocial media today about the
democrats are do nothing cowards, and somebody challenged me
(14:16):
said well, okay, what can theydo without having a majority in
either house and the supremecourt and everything else?
And I had no answer for it.
I really didn't.
So the people who say, well,what, what can I do?
I can kind of see their point.
What can we do?
we can keep protesting, butother than me going out and
starting to kill people in theirhomes because they're trumpers,
(14:38):
I and I'm not saying I'm doingthat- by the way I don't know
what the what we can do and,quite honestly, when the
elections come, I don't feel anymore confident voting for a
democrat anyway, because theydon't do anything obviously I
would feel much more confidentvoting for a democrat.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
But yeah, I agree that they are useless and
probably complicit in all thisfucking mess.
I want to believe something canchange.
I want to believe that thingswill shift Again.
I can't see anything coming.
I don't see anything happeningother than bad shit on the
horizon.
But let's assume somethingmiraculous happens and somebody
(15:18):
does something, and well, weknow he's not going to get
arrested.
He's probably going to finishhis term.
We don't know what damage isgoing to happen before then well
, we can hope for him dying wewe do hope that, but but still,
let's assume that we do stillhave elections and they're not
challenged and thrown out by thesupreme court who's you know,
basically sucking his dick too.
(15:38):
Assuming best case, best casescenario we have the elections
in November, the government andthe country has still not
flushed completely down thetoilet, then chances are good he
will have fucked over enoughpeople in this country that he
will lose both houses.
But so what?
He won't have the power he hadbefore, I hope.
But the fact of the matter isthe damage has been done.
(16:01):
I don't know what to do, man.
It's like.
On one level, I'm reallyimpressed with some of my
friends and my citizens who areprotesting.
We talked before about that.
There's people getting up,they're doing shit and I'm so
impressed with them.
So I'm very happy with some ofthe people in this country.
I'm so impressed with them, soI'm very happy with some of the
(16:21):
people in this country.
And then the other ones, I'mlike, oh dude, I can't wait for
his shit to fucking hit you.
Man, I hope you are the fuckingassholes that lose your jobs.
I hope you're the ones who loseyour 401ks.
It's like you voted for thisshit.
I hope you fucking suffer fromit, because this is what you
wanted.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Well, and that's the thing, too is I am officially
done with that bullshit sayingabout how well you voted for
this, so you get it.
No, no, no, we didn't vote forthis.
We don't deserve this.
But these people this isexactly what they voted for, so
fuck them.
They can't sit there and say Ididn't vote for this, yes, you
did.
You know what?
He's not surprising anybody.
(16:57):
He's doing everything.
They they published the fuckingproject 2025 prior to the
election and they still votedhim well, in theory, voted him
in.
Now there's a couple thingsthat could happen that what's
going on in new york in that onecounty about?
doing the recount and they'resaying that it regulates if that
spreads a little.
I don't see it happening, butthat's my ultimate dream.
(17:19):
But if worse comes to worse andtrump dies or we take back the
house and senate and then he'sjust rendered, you know,
impotent for his last two and ahalf year, three years, I'll
take that because what I thinkwill happen is if we get anybody
of any kind of decent moral andpolitical bent in the White
(17:41):
House, it will take away thescumbag's freedom to be a piece
of shit openly.
And just like when you turn thelights on and the cockroaches
all run, I'm hoping they'll alljust crawl back under their
rocks and stay there.
It doesn't mean they're notthere.
But as long as I don't have tohear them and listen to them, I
can live the rest of my daysthat way and I guess that's the
(18:02):
way I'm going to have to, whatI'll have to accept that that's
the best I'll have.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I guess that's the best we're going to be able to
deal with.
But knowing they're there, it'slike you always had some idea
that there were still a bunch ofracists and Out there, but you
didn't know how many.
That's the scary thing youdidn't know how vast the network
was.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
It's not the numbers, it's how vile they are.
Okay, we have a family memberthat we found out is a big
Trumper and they like to poststuff on social media bragging
about the cruelty, and that'swhat surprises me.
I've had friends that wereracist.
It was hard, but we just agreedto not talk about that kind of
(18:46):
thing and I didn't bring myblack friends around when they
were around, and he just neversaid his shit in front of me.
But this is different.
This is cruelty just for thesake of being cruel.
And have you heard that videoof that little baby crying?
That little child crying?
Of course, and it's like Idon't know how anyone, any
decent human being, can listento that and still say anything
(19:10):
in support of Trump.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So, if you can, that tells me that you're way beyond
racist, you're way beyond stupid, you are pure evil and cruel,
and that's a whole differentkind of thing yeah, that's,
that's a level of, and again,it's just, it's enforcing my, my
, my point is that I there'sjust just no turning back, and
the side effect of this, too, isknowing all these people are
(19:33):
like this way.
I, I keep thinking about thepolice again.
I've never had the bestattitude toward the police ever,
but now it's so much worse,it's like, because I mean,
before it was, you see theoccasional person, you see the
george floyd thing.
You know, you go.
Okay, there's always, there'salways going to be racist pieces
of shit out there, right, but Ithought it was fewer and far
(19:56):
between.
And now I'm watching thesefucking la cops fucking shoot
people in the fucking face.
I'm watching, uh, theseassholes to be, fair.
They were white people that theyshot in the face and in the leg
.
Yes, they were.
But I'm watching them arrestsenators.
I'm watching them do thebidding do the unlawful fucking
(20:16):
bidding of these corruptmotherfuckers and it's like okay
, you obviously don't give ashit about your oath, you
obviously will do whatever thefuck they tell you.
I honestly don't know how yougo back from that.
I mean, I always kind ofquestion the police, but I would
kind of approach carefully andif they seem like they are cool
I'm like great.
I honestly am now very afraid.
(20:36):
I want nothing to do with, I donot want to deal with police
officers at all anymore, if Ican help it.
I got my CCL because I had nofaith in them doing what they're
supposed to do.
I am now actually terrified ofthe police.
That's what they're going for.
Great fucking job, you fuckingNazis.
I apologize to the good copsout there.
(20:58):
I know there's a percentage ofgreat fucking cops and I am so
sorry that you are surrounded bya bunch of pieces of shit.
I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I don't disagree with how you feel about the ones we
see doing what they're doing,but that is such a small number.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I just looked it up.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
There are over 1.28 million police officers in this
country.
Give me an estimate, a bigestimate over.
Guess how many cops do youthink we've seen doing bad shit
since this all started?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Well, if I had to go proportionally, like if I'm
watching a video and let's saythere's like five cops right
with guns trying to keep peopleback and one of them shooting,
those are bad odds.
Now, if you want to sit thereand say how many cops overall
and how many do I think aregoing to be good or like
disgusting, like do that type ofshit, that number is probably
going to be very small.
But so far, I mean, look at thevideos you're watching.
(21:50):
You you see these ice assholesabducting children.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
You're not police.
They are no, no, I understandthat.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
But the police are there to I think they said what
they're there to fucking protectthe citizens or maintain
security.
For, yeah, fuck, they are right.
You watch people trying to ripthis mother or this child out of
these ice assholes' arms, andthe cops they're not just
fucking holding people, they arefucking shoving these people
into trees.
(22:17):
I mean, dude, I don't know.
I don't want to come across andbe like anti-cop because, again
, I'm sure it's ashit-fucking-hard job and the
public sentiment toward them isunjust and fucked up, but the
fact is, you watch this type ofshit and that's the problem
Everything Trump touches turnsto shit.
(22:38):
So, unfortunately, the policehave to back these assholes up,
but there's more and morefootage of them fucking throwing
people down, arresting peoplewho should not be arrested.
I don't know it's just bad.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Here I'll be the devil's advocate and I'm not
saying I disagree with you intheory.
Imagine you're a police officerand you've been doing it for 25
years, getting ready to retirein five years, you got a nice
pension lined up and everythingelse.
Police officer and you've beendoing it for 25 years, getting
ready to retire in five years,you got a nice pension lined up
and everything else and you getordered to go and be perimeter
security uh, while ice doestheir operations.
(23:11):
What your opinion on it doesn'tmean shit.
You, you're you're told to dothis and your options are to not
do it, disoobey a direct orderand be fired and lose your
pension.
Or even if you have a greatargument and you know that, you
can bring a lawsuit and you'llprobably win seven, ten years
down the line.
(23:31):
Until then, your family has noincome, your pension is at risk
and everything else.
So the problem with this isthese guys and women don't have
a lot of choices on what they do.
Now the throwing stuff, throwingpeople down on the ground
here's the problem.
You saw the thing with thesenator today.
They ordered them to remove himfrom the thing.
(23:54):
His standing as a senatordoesn't really matter.
The fact is is somebody washaving an event I don't know if
it was a public event or if itwas a private but they told him
to leave.
He resisted, they, they, theywere over the top on my, in my
opinion.
But the thing is is it's you?
What do you do if they'retelling you I want him removed
and he's resisting you?
(24:16):
You you're in a between a rockand a hard place.
I'm not justifying what they'redoing, but here's my question
when I was a police officer, ifI did something wrong, or even
if what I did was perceived tobe wrong, somebody could go to
my police department and file acomplaint.
They would investigate it andif it was found to be that I had
violated the rules or thepolicies of our department, I
(24:39):
could face discipline leading upall the way to termination and
even criminal charges.
Why is that not open to us?
Federal officers don't have anyfree reign to do whatever the
fuck they want.
So my question is where do wego in the government to file
official complaints?
(24:59):
Because you know what they.
They're identifying these copsnow, and especially when it's
the cops doing it, because theyare still wearing their name
plates and their patches and youknow who they work for, yeah,
so why aren't people filingcomplaints against these people?
Yes, will it?
Will anything happen?
Well, under this administrationprobably not, but they still
should do it.
(25:19):
So we have a paper trail toshow that, when things balance
out, these fuckers all have tonot only lose their jobs, but
lose their pensions and go tojail, and that's not an option,
and at least that's not theoption I feel we have presented
to us.
And why aren't the democratsand intelligent people or decent
people who are law scholars orsomething, why aren't they
(25:42):
telling us how to combat this?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Good point To your point.
I think with the senator.
I don't think those areactually police officers.
I think that was either FBI orthe goons that were working
specifically for.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It wasn't FBI because I tried to blow up the pictures
.
I've seen a lot of FBI badgesin my day.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Those weren't FBI badges Well one guy in the
hallway who was putting them incuffs had an FBI vest on, and on
the back it said FBI.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
It did I'm pretty sure, because I saw something
where it said police and then ithad some word, like a small
three-letter word over it, butI've worked with the.
Fbi a lot of times and theydon't have FBI police, because
that's not the same thing.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Well, again, I mean, the fact is they've got their
own little Nazi squads doingwhatever the fuck they want.
Most of the shit I've seen hasnot been police officers.
Before the fucking police wereshooting those people in LA, I
would not have really said toomuch about the actual police.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I know they're in a bad fucking situation and, I
think, a lot of excuse for whathappened in LA them shooting
those rubber bullets at peoplethat were a hundred yards away.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I do believe that somebody is pressing charges
against those people, those cops, and I hope so, because I
public.
We need public record of thistype of shit, and who those
fucking assholes?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
are, and it won't be hard to find out who they are.
Or how about that poor girl whowas just trying to walk to her
house, my god, yeah, point blankrange.
Yeah, she was not a threat inany way.
And that's the thing is.
Police have a use of forcecontinuum that we have to follow
that you only can use thenecessary force to an effect an
arrest and you can only uselethal force when it's to save a
(27:20):
life or if somebody is ispresenting lethal force.
And none of this is the case,and I don't understand.
Cops are generally veryhesitant to police each other.
That whole thin blue line is abunch of bullshit, but the fact
is is it does take nerve to sitthere and stop a fellow officer
(27:40):
from doing something likeroughing somebody up, but it has
to be done because now you knowwhat's going on, you see what's
happening.
You have to be going into workevery day going OK, this is what
my line is and I'm not going toallow it to cross.
And no one's doing that.
They're just kind of just likejellyfish floating in the ocean.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, I don't know if anything's happening.
You know, obviously we don'tknow, like the group of cops
that were lined up with thoseguns and the one guy who shot,
we don't know, maybe those guysare fucking ripping that guy a
new asshole.
I don't know if anything'shappening at all.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Then they should come out and say that we're doing an
investigation, they've beenremoved, they're on suspension.
That's all they'd have to do,you know, because then we would
have a belief that the thingsare being done properly.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
But I think you and I agree that police spokespeople
are probably the worst fuckingspokespeople on the fucking
planet.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Especially Chicago.
Yeah, just horse shit Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
The point is.
This, though, is like you see,you can see 20 fucking cops
right, and you see one fuckingcop take a shot at some poor
girl five feet away.
You're not thinking, oh, it'sonly one out of 20.
You're thinking what a fuckingnazi cunt I mean.
And that's it, and that's your,that's what your takeaway is
from those fucking cops, so thatone jag off, that's it but
we're too smart to just do that,to, to just look and see.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Oh look, there's a hundred cops lined up.
One guy who's got obviously amicro phallus is doing shit.
That's outside the norm.
And what we owe that girl thatgot shot like that.
What we owe her is to go overand try and find out what that
motherfucker's name is, getpictures and follow up.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, okay that one time out of 100 guys, and then
the other time the one guy outof 100.
And then the other time one guyand then the other time.
Right See, the problem is it'sa fucking pattern.
Now how many people have beenshot with rubber bullets so far
that were not a threat to thepolice?
Three or four, five.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Anybody been shot that actually deserved it Right,
so the problem.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
There could have been 10 million fucking cops out
there, but the fact that we justwatched in the last week six
fucking people get shot withrubber bullets I'm like holy
shit, that is just a bad look.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
And again, how the fuck do you come back from this?
I want to know.
I want to go ask one of thosepolice chiefs, like the la uh
chief or something, and say okay, I watched you on an interview.
You said that 99 of the peopleare being peaceful and
everything else.
So if that's the case, sir andthis is where the media fails I
would say sir, you said that 99%of the people are being
peaceful, what are you doingabout the police officers that
(30:14):
are brutalizing people that havedone nothing wrong?
What are you doing about it?
We want to know and get ananswer, because we need to hold
their feet to the fire.
We can't just sit there and go.
Well, these guys are assholesand we got to make sure we call
them on it and never lose sightof those things, I agree, but
there's no accountabilityanymore.
(30:35):
Not so far no.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I mean, that's Trump's whole thing.
There's no accountability.
It's like, do whatever the fuckyou want.
I don't think.
I mean I'm old enough now.
I don't think there's chanceI'll live long enough to ever
fucking change my mind at thispoint about my fellow citizens,
the ones who have votedrepublican, and I even have
problems.
I mean the politicians who aresilent scum.
(30:59):
I mean just every one of them.
Who's enabled this?
Who's let this happen?
I mean, how the fuck do yousleep?
What do your children think ofyou?
It's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Well, I mean, there's no way to justify it, there's
no rationale for it.
Their big thing was having CoryBooker talk for 25 hours
without a bathroom break.
Talk is cheap.
Instead of talking to yourfellows Congress people who have
heard it all before, why don'tyou go talk to the police chief
in LA and ask what they're doingabout this abuse of power by
(31:34):
the police?
Why don't we do that?
Why don't we look aboutstarting resolutions in Congress
condemning this kind of act?
Why don't we do all thosethings?
So at least you're going on anofficial record as having done
something.
So in the history books, ifthey're allowed to be written
accurately in the future, theysay what did you do?
What did you do to stop thisHolocaust?
(31:56):
And well, I talked for 25 hours.
That's not enough, sir.
You need to do more.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
We are in such a bad spot as a country, as a people,
I don't have any hope for this.
We'll see what happens.
I mean our media, I don't evenknow.
I want to say they're useless.
I think they're actuallycomplicit.
Also, I think it's another caseof people I got a good living
here.
I gonna tell.
I'm gonna just say what fuckingpeople tell me to say.
I don't care about the truth.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
It's just every aspect of humanity is being
tested and so many of them arefailing so many fired that one
reporter for posting somethingon his own social media, just
saying something that wasactually true about Stephen
Miller.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Well, that's because that she wants to sell, because
she wants to wants to sell thecompany and she needs the
approval.
And Trump will not let them getthe approval for the sale
unless they kiss his ass.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
And again.
So they'll do it because that'smore important than doing the
right thing.
Transactional ethics is thingof the day in the United States.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, and it probably has been for a long time, and I
think this level of disgust formy fellow citizens it was
probably not this high, but itprobably should have been.
I just didn't know that this iswhat people really felt and
this is how disgusting peoplecould be and this is how low of
a moral character that half ofthis country actually is capable
(33:22):
of being.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
But I know now I got a real quick scenario.
I want you to tell me what youwould do.
Let's say, you come acrosssomebody that you know that
tells you, yeah, they voted forTrump and they regret it.
They have such deep sorrow andregret for having done this.
What's your response?
Are you going to sit there andaccept that and say I apologize
(33:44):
to the depths of my soul.
I don't know what I wasthinking, I was in a bad place
and I just you know whateverbullshit excuse they want to
make, but they're sitting theresaying, hat in hand, mea culpa.
What are you going to do?
I mean, because I know what I'mdoing I'm going to give them
the big old middle finger andsay too late too late.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
First off, I think it's funny that you would even
think somebody would actually dothat, because I don't think
that's ever going to happen.
My experience has been peopleare just doubling down, even if
deep inside they're like, ohshit, I didn't really want this
bad.
I think they're just doublingdown.
I don't think there's going tobe a person on this fucking
planet unless, of course,something really bad happens to
(34:24):
them and they're like, oh shit,I did not expect this.
Then they're going to go oh, Iam so sorry, but someone to just
see what's happening to otherpeople and then go oh, that's
not what I wanted, I'm so sorry,I don't think that's ever going
to happen.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I'm not saying in this current environment, I'm
saying, let's say, the tideturns and all of a sudden, uh,
trump dies, uh and jd vance getscaught fucking a couch,
whatever, and the dems takecontrol of both.
Clarence, thomas and alito goto prison and let's say all the
wonderful things you arefantasizing.
You know our wet dreams are, youknow, are made of, but let's
(34:58):
say, all that happens.
So now the tide has turned andthey, now they realize, oh, now,
because I want to live inpolite society.
That's a way where I could seethem doing it just to save face
yeah, yeah, fuck them.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, fuck them.
Yeah, fuck everyone looks likehim and fuck everyone's related
to this fucking country exactlyall right.
Well, that's enough ranting onthis one.
I believe I was hoping at thebeginning of this somehow you or
I would say something thatwould kind of make me have a
glimmer of hope.
But I've got none.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Trump eats a lot of Big Macs.
He could still die.
Yeah, yeah he's fuck.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
You know what the good die young and the evil last
forever.
Man, he's not going to dieanytime soon.
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