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We dive into Taylor Jenkins Reid's captivating novel "The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo," exploring the story of a Hollywood icon who strategically navigates fame, fortune, and forbidden love through seven marriages while hiding her true self.

• Evelyn Hugo requests an unknown journalist to write her biography, revealing the calculated nature of her seven marriages
• Hollywood in the 1950s-60s required actresses to maintain specific public images, forcing Evelyn to hide her true identity
• Evelyn's relationship with actress Celia St. James forms the emotional core of the story as they navigate their forbidden love
• The concept of "bearding" and creating fake relationships plays a crucial role in how the characters protect themselves
• Harry Cameron becomes Evelyn's closest friend, co-parent, and "husband" while hiding his own sexuality
• The novel explores how fame forces people to create elaborate deceptions that ultimately cause deep personal pain
• The shocking connection between Evelyn and journalist Monique ties the story together in an unexpected way
• Reid's writing beautifully captures the glamour of Old Hollywood while exposing its dangerous demands

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Episode Transcript

Chrys (00:00):
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going to start off by doing alittle week recap.

(00:21):
So what did you do this week?

Riss (00:23):
Yeah, well, okay, something that I want to share
about that was new.
This week I tried proteincoffee for the first time, oh,
and it was actually really good.
I was expecting it to have likea little protein taste to it,
yeah, but it tasted just like aregular coffee, except that I
could tell myself it wasslightly healthier yeah did you

(00:44):
use the powder in it, or did youuse one of the protein shakes
added to it, or did you just buyit already?

Chrys (00:49):
I just bought it.

Riss (00:50):
That's even better, dutch Bros if you've never heard of
them, that's gross.

Chrys (00:56):
What Dutch Bros.
I can't fully hear you.

Riss (01:03):
I'm glad they don't pay us .

Chrys (01:10):
It's not my fault, it sounds bad.
Dutch bros yeah, I need to gothere more I.
I have one by my house, but Ihaven't gone too much, yeah yeah
, anyway, their their likeprotein coffee was really good.

Riss (01:21):
It didn't even taste like.
It's good like yeah, that'sawesome.

Chrys (01:25):
Yeah, I need to try that.
I'm not a coffee person, but Ineed to.
I need to get there.

Riss (01:32):
I mean, if you don't like it, you don't like it, but yeah,
but I need something to wake meup, you know.

Chrys (01:37):
And how many coke zeros.
Can I have an idea before?
I explode like tmi I get alittle gassy.
I need to stop with the soda.
Or I explode Like I TMI I get alittle gassy.
I need to stop with the soda.
I need something else.

Riss (01:49):
Well, coffee's probably not your go-to, for Aren't you
lactose intolerant?

Chrys (01:56):
Yeah, oh, because you add a bunch of milk and stuff in
there.

Riss (01:59):
Yeah, Well, I guess you could like.
There's always the substitutes,like oat milk or other ones,
almond milk one of them.

Chrys (02:10):
Yeah, I mean I do have like the lactaid that comes in
handy.
I just need to remember to takeit, which sometimes I forget,
like today, and then they sufferthe consequences well, there
you go um.
Okay, well, this week we'retalking about um the book seven
husbands of evelyn hugo yes, byI don't remember.

Riss (02:32):
I don't remember either if we might go the extra mile with
our editing and and put hername down here.
But but if you don't?

Chrys (02:43):
I'm gonna pull it up right now so I can tell you um I
feel so grandma with this ipad.

Riss (02:52):
Um taylor jenkins read yes that's what I was gonna say.

Chrys (02:57):
Yeah, um, anyway, so we just, we read the whole book,
and so we said we were gonna dohalfway, but then we just, we
got too excited yeah, um, so doyou want to start summarizing it
, or?
Totally, um yeah.
So let's see, essentially itstarts off with this lady.

(03:20):
She works for like a.
What even is it like?

Riss (03:25):
a magazine?

Chrys (03:26):
yeah, and they basically get the opportunity to go
interview this woman, evelynhugo, who was like a famous
actress and, um, she wassupposed to donate these dresses
like stravagant dresses fromlike different oscars and
whatever galas and stuff thatshe's attended throughout her
life, and they were hoping toget like an interview with her,
maybe like a photo shoot orsomething, and so they send this

(03:49):
one woman she did specificallyrequest this one person who was
not monique.
Thank you, I'm so bad with names, so bad.
At least evelyn hugo is like inthe title, so like he's here to
remember.

Riss (04:00):
We will say evelyn hugo, every time, every time.

Chrys (04:03):
Um, yeah, so she specifically requests this.
Um monique girl.

Riss (04:07):
Monique girl, even though she's not the most senior
journalist she's very new, thewhole magazine and the magazine
gives like, gives off a vibe oflike, um, what's that really
famous magazine vogue vogue yeahit gives off like a vogue vibe
where it's like very prestigious, very well known big magazine,

(04:31):
evelyn hugo isn't no, she's likea very, um, famous artist, not
one to give any interviews, andthen she set, tells this
magazine she's gonna do it andshe requests monique.
But monique, is this likereally new person?
I feel like I just repeatedeverything you just said it's
fine.

Chrys (04:49):
It's good to remember a recap of the recap in case you
guys missed it, um, anyway.

Riss (04:59):
So she requests monique.
Everybody thinks it's likereally weird, the editor lady.
She's like do you even know?
Do you know Evelyn Hugo?
Like is there some sort ofconnection?
And the girl's like no, like Idon't know why she would be
requesting me.
But Evelyn drives a pretty hardbargain and she's like this is
it's either her or I'm not doingit.
So then Monique goes over toher house and just starts

(05:23):
talking to her, is trying to see, like what story she's going to
be able to get out of this, and, um, evelyn ends up saying that
she wants, she wants monique towrite her book her life story.

Chrys (05:40):
Yeah, like she's not interested in doing a story with
this vogue like magazine oranything to do with them.
It's like directly with moniquefor monique to, um, yeah, write
evelyn's story, um, and so shewould get like a exclusive of
everything.
The only like caveat to it isthat she needs to publish a book
after evelyn hugo is dead,which she's making it sound like

(06:03):
it's soon yeah, and monique'slike wait, what do you mean?
like, yeah, you need to tell me,like what timeline this is, and
neville is always very vagueabout it yeah, and the problem
with that is that if she agreesto it she's putting her job in
jeopardy because she's goingagainst, like her employer.
But she could be making a lotof money from this book, but

(06:25):
then you know she needs to knowhow soon she would make that
money to compensate for losingher job.
So she's kind of at acrossroads, trying to figure out
what she's going to do.

Riss (06:35):
Yeah, and then.
So then she ends up deciding togo forward with it because it's
like it a this huge opportunity.
This extremely famous celebrity, who never gives interviews,
wants her to write her wholelife story, and she is like a
mysterious um the governmentsaying cool thumbs up if you're

(07:01):
just listening on the video,there's like these thumbs up
that show up we don't know howto turn it off.

Chrys (07:06):
It's probably super easy to do that, but we don't know
how.

Riss (07:09):
So we don't know why it happens, how it happens or how
to turn it off.

Chrys (07:14):
Yeah, so anyway, cia in our book saying that they
approved.

Riss (07:17):
Yeah, our fbi guy is listening to us anyway.
So she doesn't want to miss theopportunity.
So she does start working withevelyn and she starts listening
to evelyn, starts telling herlike whole life story and and
the book is essentially likeevelyn talking about her life
and how she became who she isyeah, um, like the good and the

(07:40):
bad, and like I don't be so real, I don't remember all the
husbands, but like the first oneI mean, yeah, I know that.

Chrys (07:49):
But um, yeah, the first one it was kind of like an
opportunity thing.
She was like 15 and she knewthis guy, that knew someone that
worked somewhere where theywere making movies and she just
kind of like lied about her age,got married, went there, was
just like seeking an opportunity.
She grew up in poverty, yeahand she was just determined.

Riss (08:08):
Like she was beautiful she knew that she could get an
opportunity from that her momalways wanted to be famous and
she died when evelyn was reallyyoung and then her dad was very
abusive so she was trying tolike both get away from that
whole situation and be a bigtime celebrity, because that's
kind of her mom's wish.
So, yeah, she finds this guywho she knows is going to

(08:31):
Hollywood.
She's like 14 at the time, butshe lies and says she's 18 and
she's extremely beautiful.
So she flirts with this guy.
He falls in love with her,isn't?

Chrys (08:41):
that so funny that you'd marry a guy and he's like like
you're so beautiful, like howwould he not think that she's 14
?
I mean, maybe she looked a lotolder, but still like, are we
not having conversations likewas he not like I was?

Riss (08:54):
wondering the same thing.
While I was listening to that,I was like I feel like it would
come up, yeah, like like you geta driver's license renewal or
something I don't know, and it'slike wait, you're not 18.
Or like how did they even thiswas my big question how did they
even get married?
Because she's not like how didshe get the?
She would need her parents tosign off right like if you're a

(09:18):
minor, if they're actuallymarried or yeah yeah, anyway,
mysteries maybe we missedsomething.

Chrys (09:26):
Let us know we missed something there.
Oh oh no, no, she did say thather dad approved oh, he signed
off on it, I'm pretty sure I'mpretty sure she says that that
he, like when her dad found out,he like didn't even really care
and he just signed off on it.

Riss (09:43):
Oh, I think it's like implied that he which is another
weird thing, like and her daddoesn't say anything to the guy
I don't know.
Well, yeah, whatever I mean youdon't seem like a good dad, so
no, but I still like, somehow inmy head, like that comes up
yeah, no, I mean I agree withyou, like on some level, I'm
trying to think of like in myown life.

Chrys (10:00):
Like I mean we had to like apply for a marriage
license and then, I don't know,you have a birthday every year.
How many candles does he put onthe birthday cake?
I don't know.
It's like I, yeah, it seemslike it would.
I mean, with no social media, Iguess you got away with way
more.

Riss (10:16):
You can hide you can hide your age anyway.
So, yeah, she ends up going tohollywood with this guy and
she's like, basically conninghim, like she's not in love with
him, she could care less abouthim.
But she knows that he wantssomething out of her which is
for her beauty, right, and he'sa very, like, traditional man.

(10:37):
Oh, and she's from she'sHispanic, like that's her
background, yes, verytraditional.
He wants the wife and the kids,yada, yada.
Anyway, she ends up, uh, goingto this one bar or cafe or
somewhere that she is alwaysthere to see if, like, she'll

(10:58):
run into hollywood executives orfamous people or whatever
anybody like the next, like stepup right, and so, um, she ends
up getting a job at this placeand she ends up meeting people
who, um, does she I can'tremember does she end up really

(11:18):
liking one of them and that'swhy she divorces no, um, she
gets like an opportunity tostart like doing something to do
with acting and then basicallylike she's very like assertive
and she basically talks theminto giving her an opportunity
for acting.

Chrys (11:35):
But they say that they need her to be like out in the
town and like it would reallyhelp her case if she's like, if
it seems like she's dating theseother famous actors.
Um, so in order for her to actsingle, she has to be single.

Riss (11:49):
So then she so she divorces that guy and he's
heartbroken, she doesn't reallycare um, and she goes off and
she has like she starts thislike fake relationship with john
adler yeah, I think so.
And he's this like he's thebiggest celebrity of the time,

(12:11):
super famous.
He's headed to make to be, tobe like a very big name, and it
starts off as like kind of alike fake, but they end up
actually really loving eachother.

Chrys (12:24):
Madly, you know, that was like one of the most
heartbreaking I can't talkheartbreaking like super
heartbreaking, because like theyit's like so romantic, right,
like they have to pretend to bedating and then they're like
kind of faking it and kind ofnot, and then they cross that
line and they're like weactually really like each other.

(12:45):
And then like yeah, and thenyeah, they, he asked her to
marry him, which like it doesn'treally see the timeline, which
was kind of interesting.
That took me off guard, caughtme off guard.
But he proposes to have ourmoment or whatever, and know

(13:06):
that you would say yes and meanit.
And she says, yes, they'resuper excited that he goes and
does it in front of everyone,it's his thing.
And then they officially getmarried and it's so exciting,
they're super happy at first,yeah, and it's great.
And then she says like theywere married for two months

(13:28):
before he like started beatingher, which is just I mean, yeah,
I guess that's how it happens,right, like abuse doesn't happen
from the start, otherwise youwouldn't even like like
entertain it, but it's just likeit's the story, and then it
just like takes you there andit's just so sad so sad yeah so
scary to like, yeah, to thinkthat that could happen.

Riss (13:51):
You never know, you know anyway.
So yeah he men are the worst,he because, oh, and then also.
So she has this guy that shealso knows, harry, who's very
handsome as well.
He's a producer in Hollywoodright, or he's an executive or

(14:11):
some sort of something, and shebecomes really good friends with
him.
She's a little bothered that hehas never hit on her and in
conversation he discloses to her.
He's like, well, you're notreally my type, and she's like
I'm everybody's type, and he'slike well, he's like you're an
80.
I'm into Audis.
Wait, is that exactly what hesaid?

(14:33):
I was like, how did I miss that?
So he tells her that he's gay.
Um, and also I don't know if wementioned this, but the the

(14:54):
time of this the story is likeit's set in the 50s, 60s,
somewhere there.
Yeah, um, a time where it'slike not very, um, socially
acceptable to um have any sortof sexual orientation that's not
straight, and so he keeps itvery, very hidden that he's not

(15:16):
straight and she just shows alot of acceptance and they
decide that they're going to bebest friends.
So, fast forward now, likeshe's in this relationship with
john adler and he's abusive.
Um, one of the first and onlypeople to recognize it is harry

(15:38):
and um, anyway, yeah, I don'teven know if that's super
important but they, I think itis, it builds like a really
strong relationship in her life,like a really strong
relationship in her life, Likethe most consistent, healthy
relationship in her life isHarry.
Yes, he's like.
She describes him as kind oflike one of her soulmates.

(15:59):
Not necessarily a love interest, but as far as like friends go
and as far as love like he is ahuge part of her life.
He is a huge part of her lifeum so then she gets a part in
the movie to play little women,and there's like six other women

(16:20):
also playing different roles.

Chrys (16:22):
There's ruby and celia and a few others that I forget
their names yeah, I think thoseare the only ones that are
really talk about again yeah, so, and then they describe all
these women as having, like,different kinds of beauty, and
it's like it was interesting tohear.

Riss (16:38):
Just like evelyn is the kind of beauty that men find
completely like inaccessible,like she is just the kind of
beauty you will never see again.
Celia is the kind of more likethe girl next door, like you
would want to take her home tomeet your parents, and she's
beautiful in that kind of way.

(16:58):
Don't remember the other ones.

Chrys (17:02):
Yeah, no, yeah they get very descriptive with it.
I thought the writing wasreally good.
The writing, yeah, I thought sotoo.
It was entertaining.
For parts of it, I read it likeon the kindle or whatever.
For other parts, I did theaudiobook, which was also really
good.
The writing yeah, I thought sotoo.
It was entertaining.
For parts of it, I read it likeon the kindle or whatever.
For other parts, I did theaudiobook, which was also really
good yeah, yeah it was.

Riss (17:16):
They did really well with the voices yeah yeah, because,
like so in the book, there'slike sometimes it's evelyn
talking, sometimes it's moniquetalking and they switch the the
person sometimes it's like thegossip website of the time,
covering like what's happeningyeah, and they switched.
Yeah, it is really well done, um, so anyway.

(17:41):
So celia is she's one of theactresses in in the in this
movie and she is kind of she'snewer to hollywood than evelyn
is.
So she starts like trying tobefriend evelyn and learn more

(18:02):
and kind of grow.
And then evelyn's like hey,like I know what you're doing,
like you're you're trying to useme for clout, basically.
And then Celia's just like veryhonest with her and they kind
of like they start developingthis relationship like a very
strong friendship.

Chrys (18:21):
Yeah, Celia's more like Celia's the better actress.
Yeah, and Evelyn already hasthe like, notability or whatever
she like is already moreestablished, and so they're kind
of start off like a friendshipwith that in mind that they can
help each other out yeah, yeah,evelyn knows how to climb the

(18:42):
ladder, whereas celia has theactual talent.

Riss (18:47):
Um, anyway, and then celia ends up being the next person
to find out about her beingabused, or does she ever?
I can't remember, um that's agood question.

Chrys (19:01):
I can't fully, I don't fully remember, honestly.
I think I think she is the nextone to find out and then yeah,
and then they're.
It kind of goes on for a whileand then eventually they're at a
gala or something and someoneRuby Ruby approaches Evelyn and

(19:27):
tells her that Like this nameyou obviously I need it.
Thank you, I feel supportedright now.
Um, yeah, she tells her likethat, uh, celia is gay.
And then, um, evelyn issurprised because she's like, oh
, we've been hanging out like Ididn't know that about her.

(19:48):
And yeah, um, and then, aroundthe same time, she, well, at the
same time she finds out thather husband is in another room,
like getting it on with someonethat's not her.
And, yeah, she's basically like, do I go find celia?
Yeah, go find my husband.
And yeah, she wants to go find.
And before she has a chance toeven decide, celia finds her and

(20:10):
, um, yeah, she kind of findsout that she has a thing for her
and they kind of that.
To be honest, that part I didthe audiobook and my kids were
going insane, so it's a littleblurry, but I know they get
together.
Basically they, yeah, they kiss, and but she stays with Adler

(20:32):
for a while, right or no?
Immediately she goes home,right, yeah, at one point she
goes home and she or she goes tohim and says that she knew that
he was cheating and then Ican't remember exactly, or no,
he leaves her.

Riss (20:47):
Well, yeah, so Harry takes her to his house, and then,
when she goes back home, shefinds out that john has left her
oh, that's right, that's right,yeah, um, and I, yeah, I, yeah,
anyway.

Chrys (21:03):
So, and then, yeah, there's a whole divorce
settlement thing, and then, um,they she ends up like he leaves
her the house, but she can'ttalk about his abuse to her like
yeah he's fairly I hate to usethe word generous because that

(21:26):
man sucks but financiallygenerous just to shut her up,
essentially, and keep her fromever disclosing it.

Riss (21:34):
Yeah, he gives her like half of his everything.
But yeah, she's not allowed todisclose it and she's um, she
loses her agent right or like oh, yeah, they drop her, they drop
her yeah, I don't know if it'sher agent or like the studio,
yeah, they also represented thehusband, she, she sort of gets
blacklisted in hollywood.

(21:56):
So then she's struggling to findwork and she goes through this
period of like kind of having ahard time with that, and celia
is very supportive as a friend,though they don't really explore
the romance side of things.
Yeah, they'll like she'll sleepover right at cilia's but yeah,

(22:16):
she's staying at cilia's yeahum, and anyway.
So then she finally like goesoff to france to find some work
and she meets this Frenchdirector who Max, right, yeah
who gives her a role and it'slike one of her most iconic

(22:39):
movies because where, yeah, theFrench director wanted her to be
like fully nude in a scene.
She was like no, how about likemake them want it a ton?
And then, as soon as I like the, the camera pans up to show my
breasts and then it like cutsoff, yeah, and it's like just

(23:00):
super memorable and and inhollywood, for for that, like
yeah, and it puts her back onthe map.

Chrys (23:07):
Essentially, yeah, even though it was controversial.
Yeah.

Riss (23:13):
Yeah, so yeah, she starts, she gets back in.
Right Now she's back in thescene of Hollywood and, oh wait,
at this point, her and CeliaAre together.
Are together.

Chrys (23:29):
I think they started yeah .

Riss (23:31):
Yeah, they started dating and they're together and then,
but they're very afraid of beingfound out because again, it's
just not a time that it'saccepted, and so they keep it
very hush-hush and um, so theykeep it very hush, hush and then

(23:58):
Evelyn is afraid that peoplemight have caught on to them.
So then she's like well, I'mgonna, there's, there's a singer
, a really famous singer, whoexpresses interest in her, and
so she's like okay, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna get him to love me,
get him to want to elope with me, and then get him to leave me.
And she basically pulls thatoff, and so goes to vegas with

(24:21):
him.

Chrys (24:22):
Yeah, they get really drunk.
She gets very like, flirty andthings.
But whenever things startgetting a little bit more heated
, she she's like, well, we needto be married.
And basically kind of likeseduces him and then he's like
let's get married, I love yousuddenly because I can't have
you, I can see my whole lifewith you.
Yeah, and in the morning he'slike never mind.

Riss (24:43):
I got what I wanted goodbye.
That was a silly mistake, yeah,and she knows just how to play
into like whatever, yeah, sheneeds to be.
She does really well like toget what she needs from people.
Yeah, so, yeah.
So then people, so that becomeslike the news, right, the story
, the big headlines.

(25:03):
So then nobody really suspectsher of being lesbian or anything
.
Oh, and in fact, sorry she, shedoesn't like the label of being
lesbian because she really didlove john so she knows that she
can love men.

Chrys (25:17):
Um, but she also really loves celia, so she's just like
she doesn't really know whereshe falls yeah um I wonder well,
I guess it's not based on thetrue story, but I wonder where,
when, like the?

Riss (25:31):
well, I guess it's not based on the true story, but I
wonder where, when, like the byething came out like the idea of
it started being discussed yeah, I feel like, yeah, as much as
it's like not a true story, I'msure it's like based off of very
true things.

Chrys (25:42):
Yeah you know, I I was looking it up and I saw like a
huge list of like um women, likecelebrities and like the 50s
and stuff that it was like basedoff of, like bits and pieces to
build definitely like, which isinteresting.
Do you remember anybody?
I don't remember any names, butI can pull it up.
Yeah, there's like a bunch ofdifferent ones, some of which I
recognize, others I didn't.

Riss (26:03):
It's so interesting because I feel like even I'm
sure that even happens stilltoday just with, like the idea
of typecasting and like, um, youend up being, you get like
roles that people can see youbeing in, right, and so a lot of
people need to, and I I feellike this book kind of explains

(26:25):
that a lot.
Like you have to put up like a,you have to kind of be who you
are on screen, like off screen,so people can see you as these
characters yeah which I'm surecan get exhausting yeah, kind of
living a lie, trying to likefit into what people want from
you.

Chrys (26:43):
It's exhausting.
Um, yeah, there's a fewdifferent ones, so, like, like
Elizabeth Taylor, she wasmarried seven times, so that was
partly inspired by her.
Oh, eva Gardner, who revealedsecrets to a journalist
Interesting, rita Hayworth, whochanged her name and appearance

(27:05):
to fit Hollywood standards,which is what Evelyn did.
She was like she dyed her hairblonde even though she had
tanner skin, and it was just acombination that's not naturally
out there, but it worked reallywell and it made her beautiful
and it made her send out.
Yeah, those are the main onesthat they pop up, but yeah, they

(27:26):
got bits and pieces fromdifferent real people.
That's very cool.
Yeah, I feel like we shouldhave gone in depth with that.
That would be interesting.
I know, yeah, do a deep dive ineach one.
Yeah, that's cool.

Riss (27:38):
We should do that next time but anyway, yeah, so that's
the third husband.
Yes, that's right.
And then her relationship withCelia keeps going on, and then
they end up getting in anargument because do you remember

(28:01):
?

Chrys (28:02):
I think the whole thing was um, she wasn't.
Celia didn't like the idea ofEvelyn sleeping with other men
so it was like she didn't thinkthat she was actually gonna
sleep with this guy.
She was just gonna marry him,yes, so she's mad that was
brought up.

Riss (28:19):
Yeah, she got mad at that and she got pregnant, oh yeah
that was what it was evelyn gotpregnant that's how she found
out that they had slept together.
Yeah, um, and so celia ends upleaving evelyn.
Evelyn doesn't go through withthe pregnancy, um, but they mick

(28:40):
riva, that was his name, thesinger oh, I kind of forgot,
like mick jagger, yeah, that'swhat I was, that's what I was
thinking the whole time.
Yeah, um, anyway.
So yeah, they break up.
Uh, doesn't, they don't talk.
Evelyn feels like if celiawants to come back, she will and

(29:03):
she doesn't.
She's not one to really push it.
She's kind of a believer of likeif it's gone, it's gone you
know, um, you don't, like shedoesn't really know about like
fighting for things, um, andthen who's her next?

Chrys (29:19):
the next one, it's um rex , but I can't remember exactly
who he is rex rex north becauseI remember the last couple ones,
the last few and three.
I can't remember.
I remember hearing rex, but Ican't remember what his, um, his

(29:41):
deal was.
Let's see, let's find out out.
I swear we read it.

Riss (29:53):
Well, so her and Celia.
While you look that up, her andCelia don't talk at all for a
long time, Like several years.

Chrys (30:09):
And then, oh, okay, yeah, so he was the one that was in
the movie with her and they weretrying to promote the movie.

Riss (30:18):
Oh right, okay, so yeah, it was completely fake.
Yeah, marriage completelyloveless, like he didn't love
her, she didn't love him.
He would sleep around like withother women, but would keep it
really like secret.
They never.
He was a very handsome man butthey never slept together or
anything.
Yeah, and then he, he ends upgetting her, he ends up getting

(30:42):
another girl pregnant.
Yeah, and he loves this otherwoman and he wants to be with
her.

Chrys (30:47):
Yeah, they had been together before, but then they
broke it off.
Yeah, it was like they werehaving an affair while he was
married to evelyn.

Riss (30:53):
Yeah and anyway.
So then him and evelyn aretrying to think of a way that
they could divorce where neitherone comes off looking bad in
the press.
So they come up with the ideaof her having an affair with
Harry.

Chrys (31:14):
Um, so so basically both yeah, they were both having
affairs at the same time, so noone's the villain.
Yeah and yeah, and they get toget out of the marriage, yeah,
yeah.

Riss (31:27):
And then, um, and then she starts having like for the
she's her and harry start havinglike a love story.
But obviously harry is um, he'sgay and he's dating at this
time.
He's dating somebody who hereally loves, so it's a good

(31:48):
like beard for him, or hedoesn't, like nobody's gonna

(32:16):
think that he's gay, fakemarriage.
And then harry is like and then, um, celia and evelyn end up
getting back together, yeah, andthen yeah, yeah, I was just
thinking.

Chrys (32:29):
I was trying to explain this to josh while I was reading
it and he's like what?
So like who was whose beard andI'm like everyone is everyone's
beard there's a lot of beards,it's all going to uh I.
I told this whole story to jefftoo, and he fell asleep it's
like this one's a beard, thisone's a go, this one's a goatee.

Riss (32:48):
He's like I can't follow this.
Yeah, anyway, so because herand so Evelyn and Celia get back
together.
And then there's Harry, and Ithink it was John.
Was it John the other guy'sname?
Harry and John are together.

(33:08):
Was it Don the other one's name?
Harry and John are together.
Was it Don the other one?
Then Evelyn's first husband.

Chrys (33:15):
Was it Ernie, Ernie no second husband.
Don Don.
That's what it was, yeah.

Riss (33:21):
I kept calling him John.
It was Don.
Okay, I mean potato, yeah.

Chrys (33:26):
Potato.

Riss (33:26):
Same Same diff Anyway.
So same same diff anyway.
So, um, yeah, evelyn and celiaare together, john and harry are
together, but for the public'seye it's actually evelyn and
harry and celia and don yeah andDon yeah.

Chrys (33:47):
John, john, they're just like now.

Riss (33:48):
I keep saying Don.

Chrys (33:49):
Who cares?
Actually, he, yeah, he'simportant.
But yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean toeveryone, they're like, just,
yeah, like double daters.
I guess they're always togetherand walking around, like.
There's even some people thatthink they might be swingers,
but I don't know.

Riss (34:08):
But it's like and it's, it's honestly also like a very
interesting dynamic becauseharry and evelyn do want to have
a family together.
Oh, yeah, um, so they all theyhave like this like little
family dynamic with the four ofthem.
And they eventually get to thepoint evelyn and harry where
they're like this little familydynamic with the four of them.

(34:28):
And they eventually get to thepoint, evelyn and Harry, where
they're like, well, we want tohave a kid now.
Yeah, so their partners areokay with them trying for a kid
and they end up getting pregnantand they have a little baby,
connor, a little girl, and thenEvelyn, and, yeah, they just

(34:50):
have like this little familydynamic with the five of them.
And then Evelyn has oh, shegets cast for a movie with Dawn,
with her ex-husband.
The beater, yeah, the trash manman, the one we don't like yeah
um, they're in a movie togetherand they there's a scene that

(35:16):
they end up having sex during,and like she's supposed to
orgasm in in this scene and likehave, it like, be very real
fully talking about it.

Chrys (35:27):
Thought we were gonna do like glaze over it.
Oh yeah, I got ahead of myselfI'm just like thinking about it
it's all good that that is whathappens anyway anyway, you were

(35:47):
handling it so professionallyand I ruined it you're like
matter of fact.

Riss (35:53):
Oh my gosh, I hear it anyway they got it on.

Chrys (35:59):
And, yeah, she like in the moment she's thinking like
this is like super.
When the idea is pitched to her, she's like, oh my gosh, this
hasn't been done before, like itwould be such a good
breakthrough for like theater,like so whatever.
And so she just does it yeah.
And then she after the fact islike, oh, maybe that was, maybe

(36:21):
I should have talked to mypartner about it.
So she like goes to talk tocelia and is deceptive.
She tells her like oh, so theypitched this idea.
I was thinking about maybedoing it, wanted to know what
you think.
And celia's like well, actually, like I'm not okay with it,
like I wish I was, like itsounds like it would be awesome,
but like I think I would be toojealous.

(36:41):
You know that's such anintimate, private, private thing
With your ex.

Riss (36:47):
And with your ex.

Chrys (36:48):
Yeah, I think even if it was just with another person,
she wouldn't have been okay withit.
But I think that made it worse,for sure.

Riss (36:54):
Uh-huh, and the fact that they also have the history of
Evelyn sleeping with someoneelse while they were dating.

Chrys (37:04):
I can't remember how she found out.
Did she just say like well, Idid.
I can't remember, yeah, how shefound out.

Riss (37:11):
So yeah, it was just like Celia said she wasn't okay with
it, and then Evelyn was like,well, I already did, Like I
already did it, which I mean tobe fair.

Chrys (37:21):
Like I would be pissed too.
Like I mean, I could nevermarry an actor for that reason.
Yeah and I could never be anactress, because I would fully
fall in love with everyone.
Be like what are we?
Okay, but like with yourpartner watching them do so,
like I would.
I think I would have a hardtime with it too, which I can
understand there.
But yeah, I think if you likemake the decision to be together

(37:43):
, you kind of have to acceptthat that's what they do for a
living, yeah, and that's whatyou signed up for.
So it's like tough.

Riss (37:50):
Yeah, it's a very hard-lined toy.
Yeah, especially with like.
Evelyn is a very like.
She's somebody who's thinkingabout the next step in her
career.
It's also hard to like.

Chrys (38:04):
Yeah, and if you're gonna , yeah, do anything to prevent
her from moving forward and whatshe wants to do.
I think that I think likeeither celia would have been
upset about her doing that orevelyn would have eventually
left because celia prevented herfrom doing have?

Riss (38:21):
yeah, yeah, I think so.

Chrys (38:24):
So anyway, celia leaves again and I think this time
evelyn tries to chase her right,she tries to call her a bunch
of times and whatever, and celiais just not receptive to it.

Riss (38:39):
Yeah, so, so then she like divorces john right, and kind
of leaves the four, like thelittle group that they had,
family yeah, so then harry andjohn are still together and
they're very much, very in love.
And um, the french directorfrom before, he, yeah, and I

(39:06):
don't remember how he'sreintroduced, but he, he ends up
telling celia that he loves her.
Yeah, and then and celiaactually sorry, not celia evelyn
he tells evelyn that he lovesher.

Chrys (39:19):
And evelyn this is like a few years after celia evelyn
like is thinking maybe I canactually fall in love with this
man, like there's actualpotential here she like kisses
her and like there's a spark,and she hasn't felt a spark in a
long time since she's been withCelia, so she just wants to
give it a shot.
Yeah, yeah, but I did think itwas aggressive that he was like

(39:42):
let's get married, I've lovedyou and it's like can we just
like date?

Riss (39:46):
yeah, can't we just like let this marinate figure it out?

Chrys (39:49):
yeah yeah, so like no wonder she had seven houses.
I'm surprised she only hadseven.

Riss (39:55):
Yeah, because that means she'll be getting married to
everyone too.
Yeah, um, anyway.
So she, her and harry.
Harry is as supportive of afriend, slash, co-parent as
possible and he's like, hey,this is like, if this is an

(40:15):
opportunity for you to love,like let's get divorced and you
like go through with this withMax.
So then Harry and evelyn getdivorced and she gets married to
max and this is her fifth yeah,fifth husband.

(40:37):
Uh, six, six, six husband.
And they're married for a while.
But she quickly, like is awarethat he doesn't really love her.
He loves the idea of her, yeah,like being with the star.
Yeah, the star like the mostbeautiful woman.
Yeah, like he likes to paradeher around, but he doesn't, like

(41:01):
they had dated, she would havefound out like gone on two dates
yeah, she got and she hadgotten to know him.
Yeah, yeah, um, so she's quickly, like uh, disenchanted with the
idea of being with him um.

Chrys (41:22):
And then, while they're married, her and celia start
exchanging letters yeah, theykind of had like some moments,
evelyn like won this oscar orsomething, and then she kind of
gives a nod to celia like Ican't remember exactly what she
says, but it's like to a personlike that's really important to

(41:46):
me.
I just wanted to knowinfluential woman.
She like says woman and she'slike referencing yeah and then,
um, when they were before, whenthey were first getting together
, celia had gotten an award andevelyn was watching it from home
.
This was when evelyn had gottenblacklisted and stuff.

(42:07):
She was watching.
Celia won this award and shelike went to kiss the tv and she
like chipped a tooth kissingthe tv because she was so
excited when celia won.
So then fast forward to likeyears later, as they're like
apart for so long, evelyn doesthat nod for celia and then
celia wins an award later andshe says something along the

(42:27):
lines of like if anybody'sthinking about kissing their
screen tonight, just make sureyou don't chip your tooth, or
something like gives a nod backto Evelyn and then they end up
contacting each other andthey're like exchanging these
letters and Celia's basicallylike which I thought was a
little annoying.
She was like you didn't reallycome after me and she's like I
called and she's like well, notenough.

Riss (42:44):
It's like okay, well let's be better about that.
Yeah, it was like evelyn reallytried and then and yeah, and
then evelyn's like well, I evenlike I made a nod to you at like
the ceremony, the, the awardshow, and she's like, oh, I
didn't, like I didn't, I wasn'tfor sure that was me yeah and
also it's like girl do something.

Chrys (43:06):
It's also funny because it was like before texting.
You would think she would havebeen like was that for me or
something you know, like a drunksomething like, yeah, I don't
know.
Yeah, evelyn really tried, andthen for cilia to just be like,
yeah, well, I didn't know, youknow, and that would imagine how
tiring, like it's romantic, butalso how tiring to like be
exchanging letters and likewaiting days for a response and

(43:26):
like still being committed todoing that.
I would have been like peopleloved each other more back then.
I was like you know like it'sromantic, but like I can't wait
that long to hear about it.

Riss (43:36):
I'm already like I'm already married to someone else.
By the time, letters back.

Chrys (43:43):
You would think she's like actually I'm on my ninth
husband, but yeah, it's fine,yeah I don't know yeah, it was
just too much effort that'stiring and also some of the
letters seemed like it was likehi, how are you?

Riss (43:55):
and it's like dude, you gotta do more yeah, because it's
gonna be a while before youhear anything back.

Chrys (44:01):
We can't be like sup, sup and like please, it's like w y
d.

Riss (44:11):
It's like a post-it note that they're exchanging.

Chrys (44:14):
It's like I can't the patience I mean probably.

Riss (44:19):
Yeah, good on that you just get a letter lol how do you
keep it going?

Chrys (44:26):
it's like it's not worth the postage yeah, so anyway,
they're exchanging these letters.
Uh, max, and ends up findingthe letters yeah, well, they um,
evelyn and celia make plans toessentially meet up.

(44:48):
She's going to wherever she waslos angeles or something and
they were planning to meet upand she's leaving the house and
she has something else to dothere too.
I think I can't rememberexactly.
Um, also, I'm like on the edgeof a burp.
Let it, let it I'm trying.
I mean I can't just look stucksomebody talking weird.
Anyway, we're just gonna keepmoving and maybe it'll go back

(45:12):
in or back or it's gonna goanyway, whatever.
She's on her way out of herhouse and she's thinking like
I'm gonna take the letters withme, oh, I'm gonna leave them, oh
, I'm gonna, I want to have themwith me.
And she ends up leaving themand then she goes to get in the
car and she's like, oh, Iactually want them.
She goes back to her room andmax has the letters and is like
ripping them up and stuff, whichis like, of course, yeah.

(45:33):
Also, it made me think like nexttime I have a thought I'm just
gonna go through that, because Ido that a lot too like I'm
gonna do this, I won't like, orlike this is gonna fall, I
should move it.
This is gonna fall, I'm shouldmove it, this is going to fall,
I should move it.
And then it falls and I'm likeI thought about it and I didn't
do anything.
Yeah, just go with your firstinstinct.
I think that's good, anyway,whatever.
Side note yeah, so she has aconversation with him and he's

(45:54):
like, what are these letters?
Like were you going to meet upwith her?
Like f about you, like you onlycare about evelyn hugo, like
also he seemed like the typethat, like this is like crass,
but like they're probably likemid-sex and he's probably still
calling her evelyn hugo.

(46:14):
Like he's not like oh, there'syeah he's like full, like last
name, yeah, every time foreverything which like like I've
met my girlfriend or wife, Iguess, evelyn hugo, I know it's
like anyway, he kind of pissedme off there.
Um, yeah, I don't know.

Riss (46:31):
I just had like a moment where I was like I wonder how
that would feel if my boyfriendcalled me risk like my full name
.
I'd be like this over.
I might like that Alright.

Chrys (47:03):
We'll report back.
I don't know.
I feel like I'd be like allright, this is over, we're done.
This gives the vibe of likemiss your car, like your full

(47:25):
name, like I don't know.
I feel like I'm at the dmv orsomething that's throwing the
middle name in there too.
No, uh anyway, at least as longas it's the right name they get
your name mixed up.

Riss (47:42):
That would be bad, that would be messed up, um, so
anyway, that ends up leading totheir divorce.
They, they in their marriage,um, and evelyn gets back with
celia, and they want to, theyjust want to be, they want.
They're done with hiding,they're done with, like, all the

(48:04):
games and the like playingchecker, chess checkers, playing
chess, playing games with thepress, um, they're just like
done with that.
So they, they want to just moveto spain so that they can be
away from all the noise andraise the little girl Connor

(48:27):
there and just be happy.
Oh, and we forgot to mentionalso that Harry's partner, john,
ends up dying from.

Chrys (48:37):
Oh yeah, I think he has a heart attack, yeah, or
something.
It was like shortly after Celiaand evelyn broke up, like he
ends up dying and then, um,harry's just not doing well.
After that he's like drinkingday drinking and like just not
well.
But then um, towards wherewe're at right now.

(49:01):
He's like it sounds like he metsomeone that he was really
excited about for the first timesince the love of his life
passed he was very in love.

Riss (49:10):
He, yeah, he starts to feel real love for this new man.
And, um, evelyn is talking tohim trying to convince him to
move to spain with that, withlike to get the family to move
to spain, and harry's just like,no, like I, I love this man,

(49:31):
like I want to give it a shot.
And evelyn is also very open toit.
She's like, well, let's try andfind a way that this can work
for all of us did you get okay?

Chrys (49:42):
maybe I just read it wrong, but I kind of got the
vibe that she was like okay,we'll talk about it later, but
like let's move to spain.
Like it kind of seemed like shewas a little dismissive of him.
Yeah like yeah, yeah, like we'lltalk about it later, but like,
let's, let's discuss this option.
It seemed like she was a littlebit pushy about it, which I was
a little upset about, and maybethis is just how I read it.
I get it interpreted, eventhough, like I understand that

(50:04):
she wanted to be free with herpartner, which makes sense,
right, I think at the same time,they could still be together
and just not public and like,allow harry to still be with
this guy, like and not disrupt,like, her kid's life.
It felt like really selfish,even though, like I understand,
like you want to be public withthe person you're with, but but

(50:24):
like you have a family, likeit's not just you, you have your
kid and you have your kid'sparent.
There's a lot more to thinkabout.
Yeah, it's like if you were,she was single, like, and like
she is single, but I mean likedetached from other people.
That would be one thing.
Like, yeah, go and do it, but Ithink she was being a little
bit selfish in that moment.

Riss (50:45):
Well, I feel like that's Evelyn's MO in the whole story
is that she is fairly selfish,you know, and she is always
putting herself ahead of a lotof people.
She's just climbing that ladderand that ends up being one of
her biggest lessons yeah,towards the end, which is yeah,

(51:08):
I do think that's true.

Chrys (51:09):
I I do think, though, too , that like, for to a certain
extent, it was like expiring,right, not expiring.
Inspiring, yeah, anyway.
Inspiring because she's likegoing after what she wants,
right, right, sorry, it'sinspiring.
I don't know.
This book expires in two days.

(51:32):
We're a little tired.
Inspiring, yeah, like she'sgoing after what she wants.
She doesn't take no for ananswer.
There are good aspects to beingthat way, but yeah, it does.
I mean she takes it to a veryExtreme, extreme level of like
she's willing to do anything forI agree that's bad yeah but

(51:52):
yeah, I was kind of disappointedin her in that moment because
it's like, yeah, and it's also,they made it seem like they
waited this long and they had tojust move.
There was no other option,which was like I don't think
that's true.
Like you waited this long to betogether, you still can, but
like you have to be aware ofthese other lives that you don't
have to go all the way to spain.

Riss (52:12):
You could go to like they didn't have internet dude go to
wyoming you can go to wyomingnow there's nothing going on
there, like no, for real, offthe grid, you could go.
Literally you can find a placein california that's like, yeah,
far away from la too.
Yeah, no, I think so, anyway,so which?
Yeah, I just think you'reuprooting your child's life.

(52:36):
But to be fair, so we didn'tmention this connor was also
having like.
She was 14 at the time.
She started getting into drugsand um sex too and like going
crazy not yet, not yet, no shethis was when she was doing all
that you're skipping somethinguh so she's still a kid, I think

(53:07):
.

Chrys (53:07):
I don't know, I can't remember how old she is.
I think she's like five orsomething.

Riss (53:11):
Right, because she waited a while, they waited a while I,
I can't remember it had beenlike it'd been like 10 years.
They're talking.

Chrys (53:18):
Let's talk about what we're not talking about, and
then let's get there let's goback.
But it's been like 10 yearssince celia and evelyn broke up
that they got back together yes,yes, but then they were in the
process of getting back togetherright, yeah, yeah, so yes, so
okay, we are not saying anythingand we're saying so many things

(53:40):
but not anything.
Essentially they're talkingabout the idea of moving and
then they're supposed to likeget out of where they are,
whatever.
Evelyn's supposed to go meetharry at his house or at their
place in los angeles to packtheir things to go back to their
daughter, um, and she pullsinto the driveway.

(54:01):
I guess she's in like a, not anuber, but like whatever the
uber has a driver.
A driver, oh yeah I made it somuch more complicated.
Her driver um, but it didn'tsound, it didn't seem like she
knew him no, it was like a no,yeah, it was like a like either
a taxi or something.
Yeah, uber before, uber taxi Ihaven't said taxi in a long time

(54:24):
.
I just realized, um, yeah, soshe put people into his house
and the car had basicallycrashed into like a tree is that
what it was?
yeah, she's like a bad accidentyeah, she gets out of the car,
the taxi guy does too, and theyrealize that harry's was the one
driving and he's like incritical condition and the

(54:46):
passenger guy is dead, yeah, andso I I get the thought process
process, but I also don'tunderstand it.
It was also like kind of weird,easy to disprove because, like,
wouldn't there be blood on bothseats?
That, yeah, it was kind ofsketchy.
Yeah, they basically move thebody of the person that's in the
passenger seat to the driver'sseat and then take harry out of

(55:08):
it and then take him to thehospital.
Yeah, which is wild, becauseyou're taking him to the
hospital, all like that.
How do you explain whathappened to him?

Riss (55:15):
yeah, and how much time are you wasting?
And just like that whole likeexchange, yeah, and the reason,
so what, the thought processbehind it is that evelyn is
trying to protect harry's imagebecause he was drunk driving
yeah, and it seemed like hecould survive, so if he did, he
would have gone to jail becausethe passenger died and yeah, she

(55:36):
didn't.
She didn't even want harrythinking that he was responsible
for the passenger's death andshe also didn't want harry to be
found out because he wasdriving with a man, which I feel
like would be kind of a jumpfor people to be like, oh, they
were in a car together.
They must be lovers, althoughthat is like the truth, like
yeah, there's other explanationspeople driving cars together.

(55:56):
They could be friends they couldbe working, yeah, yeah anyway.
But that's kind of like herthought process behind this
whole thing and so she changes,puts the passenger into the yeah
and then she takes harry to thehospital it pays them to not
ask questions, which I'm sureit's a real thing, but that's
disappointing yeah, so yeah, inthe hospital, harry ends up

(56:19):
dying and um, yeah, and thenthat's what sets off um connor,
the little girl.

Chrys (56:33):
Then that's when she starts doing drugs and yeah,
like I think she gets a littlebit older, a few years past, but
her behavior just starts likeescalating.
Um, because her dad passed.
And then they choose to.
Um, or is it?
Cecilia choose to move, cecilia, no, celia, whatever her name
is uh, choose to move to spain.

(56:54):
And celia has this whole planthat evelyn's gonna marry
celia's brother and that's gonnabe the cover story, and so they
can be together.
Yeah, so they, they do, they goto spain, they have a quiet
little life.
Yeah, connor grows up,eventually moves out, goes to

(57:14):
school, whatever, yeah, um, oh,she finds out that also we
forgot to mention.

Riss (57:21):
When they get back together, celia and evelyn,
celia mentions like hey, are you?
You have to be very ready tolose me again.
Yeah, because she found out shehad a disease what was it?

Chrys (57:37):
I don't remember something that came from them
smoking so much.
I just don't think I remember.
Oh yeah, I don't rememberexactly what it was right, yeah
yeah, anyway.

Riss (57:45):
So she, she was going to die.
They didn't know when, but it'dbe like soonish, soonish, like
a few years, though.
Right, they got a few yearstogether I think they said 10
years yeah, and I think shesurvived a little bit longer,
but not much yeah, so then celiaends up dying and then at that

(58:06):
point they decide um, evelyndecides to move back to the us
because connor's in the us, andand then connor ends up getting
diagnosed with breast cancer andand then Connor ends up passing
away as well.
Whoa, I'm not crying, althoughit's sad.

Chrys (58:32):
Like.
It just sounded like a Don'tforget, I'm dead inside.

Riss (58:34):
That was a hiccup.
Yeah Well, let's not get withthe wires crossed here.
I have no feelings.

Chrys (58:41):
Anyway, and then the husband Celia's brother, that's
now Evelyn's husband dies.
Seventh husband, seventhhusband, yeah, and then he ends
up dying.
And that's where she's at andshe's been alone for a while.
And then she's giving thisinterview and that's fully the
book essentially.
But then she says that sheneeds to tell Monique the

(59:03):
journalist that's stillinterviewing her through this
whole story that she needs totell her something.
And she goes to this drawer andpulls something out.
It's like this bloody note, andshe says the guy when Harry
passed, the guy in the passengerseat, had this note on him and
I should tell you that he was ablack man.
And Monique gets the letter andessentially in this moment

(59:28):
Monique finds out that that washer dad and that's how he died
and she had been told growing upthat he had been drunk driving
and that that's how he passedand it was not like him to do
anything like it, but she kindof resented losing him.

Riss (59:46):
Because it was his fault, he but he'd done something
stupid and he had never donethat ever before.
So she gets really mad atevelyn for hiding this and for
kind of like making it so thatthat's her dad's reputation, and
then um evelyn.

Chrys (01:00:06):
It is interesting, though , like as soon as evelyn stops
telling this story, um, and shejust expresses how she's a bad
person because of what she didwhen harry died, um monique in
her writing, like in her head,she's saying like it's terrible
what she did, but it's alsounderstandable.
She was trying to protectsomeone that she loved, and then
, right after she finds out, itwas her dad, and it's like it

(01:00:27):
was kind of interesting.
It's like every situation istotally different if it's
someone you love, yeah, and ifyou're connected to it.

Riss (01:00:33):
That is really good writing like I didn't even
notice that, um, but yeah.
So then she has this whole likeum, she just doesn't know what
to do, because now she kind ofhates evelyn but at the same
time, like she still has thisphenomenal opportunity with the
story and evelyn discloses toher that she has cancer, that

(01:01:01):
apparently the breast cancer is,well, it is genetic, um, and
then she's like the irony of herdaughter getting it before her.
Yeah, but that it like, yeah,it's a genetic thing, and so her
time is limited and moniquedoesn't know, like really still,

(01:01:23):
what that means or what she'sgoing to do.
But then she ends up, afterthey end up kind of like making
peace and whatever she leaves,and Evelyn ends up taking her
own life, kind of in a way ofdoesn't, she doesn't want

(01:01:46):
anybody, like she's gonna, evenwith death, like she is gonna
make that final call, like she'snot gonna let anyone yeah, and
I think it's important tomention too.

Chrys (01:01:58):
I don't care remember if we mentioned it, but another
thing that evelyn had found outabout monique.
While she was like like tryingto find her, like the daughter
of the guy, she saw that Moniquehad written an article about
assisted suicide for people thatwere sick and how she was pro
that, so people could have achoice in their life journey,

(01:02:19):
especially if they're sick andstruggling like battling a
disease for a long time.
and so I think partially thatwas also why, um, on top of
everything else, why evelynchose her, because she knew that
she would allow her to take herlife, even though she knew that
that's what she was gonna doyeah, yeah, and she publishes

(01:02:41):
the book and she gets that back.

Riss (01:02:46):
The end, and that's the story of Evelyn Hugo and the
seven husbands.

Chrys (01:02:55):
Yeah, thanks for following along.
Yeah, that's the summary.
I think we've given our opinionthroughout.
It was really well written andinteresting story, and we have
not decided what book we'rereading next.
But do you have any thoughts?
Do we have anything in theworks?

Riss (01:03:16):
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