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We dive deep into Part One of "The Housemaid" by Freda McFadden, uncovering the twisted psychology behind a wealthy family's dynamics and the vulnerable maid who becomes entangled in their web.

• Exploring how Nina's erratic behavior toward Millie creates a hostile work environment
• Analyzing the inappropriate boundaries between Andrew and Millie during late-night encounters
• Breaking down the Broadway ticket incident as a manipulation tactic
• Discussing the affair between Millie and Andrew that develops after a night out
• Examining Nina's mental health history and her attempted drowning of her daughter
• Questioning Andrew's true character as he evicts his wife and abandons his stepdaughter
• Understanding the power imbalance between wealthy employers and vulnerable employees
• Debating whether Nina is truly unstable or if Andrew is masterfully manipulating everyone
• Theorizing about the locked attic door and what might happen next
• Contemplating how the foundation of relationships built on betrayal are doomed to fail

Read along with us and finish "The Housemaid" before our next episode where we'll complete our analysis and reveal our next book club selection!

Episode Transcript

Riss (00:02):
Hi, welcome back to another episode of this Day's in
Our Book Club.
We're talking about theHousemaid by Freda McFadden, and
we are up to chapter 37?
Mm-hmm Part one.
Part one.
We just finished part one.

(00:22):
Mm-hmm, do you want to give usa quick rundown of what happens
so we can catch?

Chrys (00:28):
sure, if I remember it um , yes, so, um, I think last time
we talked about how um nina wasvery like back and forth she
was being like really nice andthen all of a sudden she was
like crazy rude and Millie wasjust starting to get fed up with
her and then like also slowlykind of realizing that she has a

(00:52):
little crush on Andrew, thehusband, and also some growing
frustrations with Cecilia.
So a few things that happen.
That's her name, right, right,okay, you gave me a look.

Riss (01:04):
No, I know it's cause I had a minute there.
I was like that sounds reallyweird, cecilia, but no, that's
right, cece.

Chrys (01:14):
Um, yeah, so I mean a few things that I remember.
Um from it, that kind of standout.
Um, Millie tries to make alittle like snack for cecilia
and um, I can't remember 100what it was, but it was like
crackers with like some bananaand some peanut butter.

(01:35):
And then she goes to hand it toher and celia's like no, I'm
allergic to peanut butter.
And like starts freaking outlike you're trying to kill me.
And then nina comes down andshe's like what's going on?
She's like she tried to give mepeanut butter and nina's like
pissed um.
And then later, I guess adifferent day, she everyone's

(01:58):
asleep.
Millie decides she wants towatch some tv.
So she goes to the living roomand she's watching some tv and,
um, she's watching like familyfeud or whatever it was and then
andrew pops up and he's likewhat are you watching?

Riss (02:10):
and like hangs out with her for a second and she's,
she's in her like underwear,right when this happens, she
like she's not like it's likeboxer shorts or something like
yeah it's like it's sleepingclothes but it's like, yeah, no,
she's not wearing a bra.
I think that that, like it, kindof goes into a little bit of

(02:32):
detail on that yeah, which I'msorry, but that when you're
there's like other people whoyou're not like, you're not, you
don't have a very closerelationship with and and you're
dressed like that you're askingfor trouble.

Chrys (02:49):
I feel like, even around family, like you have to be
careful.

Riss (02:53):
Yeah, I feel like, and not because it's just, it's just
respectful, right, I think, yeahlike if you're I don't know, I
think in my head, like when Iwas younger, like I'd go and
like stay at my sister's housewith, like my brother-in-law and
whatever, like it's not yourhome, so like you should just be
it's and and when I say likeyou're asking for trouble, I

(03:14):
don't mean to be like I, I knowhow horrible that can sound, but
at the same time, like she'sliving somewhere where she knows
her employer is gonna get madover, like very little things.
And even like, as she's talkingabout it, she knows very well
that what she's doing is reallyrisky.

(03:34):
And yeah, I don't know.

Chrys (03:37):
Anyway, keep going yeah, I agree with that.
I don't think, like her, likewatching tv is that big of a
deal, which it turns out to pissoff.
Nina too, right.
Um, I feel like that's fine.
I feel like if I had someoneliving in my house and like they
want to watch tv and what aslong as it's not like a

(03:57):
disturbance, right, it's superloud waking up the kid, whatever
it is.
Um, I think it's fine.
But yeah, that's a good point.
Um but the pj's thing was yeah,and then andrew's also like in
his box in his boxers and shirtand then like he sits next to
her on the couch, which is likea hundred percent, like if the,

(04:20):
not if when, because she didcome out, but like when the wife
comes out.
It's like are you not thinkingthat, like you're both in, like
inappropriate?
Clothing bad yeah yeah yeah itdoesn't look great, and but
which is?

Riss (04:34):
one of the moments that was like.
I mean, I've been suspicious ofandrew since the beginning, but
that moment was even likefurthered my suspicions of him,
because I was just, like youknow, supposedly like with how

(04:55):
everything is, like set up atthis point, the wife that he has
he knows her and even if shewas the most understanding, cool
girl like had no issues withanything.
You're in your boxers andyou're sitting down with another
woman who's in her like risquepjs, you know, I don't know,

(05:16):
middle of the night, yeah, if Iwalked in on something like that
, I would be, I'd beuncomfortable, like with my yeah
, my husband and like what theheck?
What are you doing?
You know, and yeah, I agree.

Chrys (05:31):
Like you, just don't put yourself in that situation.
Yeah, like you, just nothingneeds to happen.
But even just like it look like, looking like it could have or
might have, like that's just youshouldn't allow for that.
If you're respectful of yourpartner, I agree a hundred
percent like you're setting.

Riss (05:50):
You're setting the situation up for like discomfort
, you know, because you don'teven want to give the other
person the wrong idea of thatyou could potentially be
interested or that there mightbe any chemistry even if, like
you, have zero intentions ofanything like yeah, you don't
want to lead the other person onin a situation you know like
she lives at their house, likethat's so intimate already so

(06:14):
you have to be extra carefulyeah, anyway, keep going.
What just like I got?
We just got stuck in that like.
Oh, I'm like I have a lot ofissues with that.
I guess it's, I don't know.
It's just it's like the firstsign to me of like, or maybe not

(06:36):
the first.
There were already a few, butlike it's already giving like a
clear idea of like.
Maybe nina's not the problem,you know, although she seems to
be a huge part of the problem.

Chrys (06:47):
Anyway, let's keep going, yeah, but I mean, at the end of
the day, he's married to her,right.
So like, whether she's nuts ornot, he made a commitment, right
, he owes her the respect 100.
And also like the little girlcould have come out too and seen
the dad of the.
And then she tells the mom likeit, it just has a potential for
drama.
So like, why would you go thereat all?

(07:08):
yeah um, but what I was going topoint out is how um millie
mentions to him how she um triedto make cecilia snack and she
didn't know that she wasallergic to peanut butter.
Um, and andrew's like she's notyeah and she's like what, what

(07:32):
the heck?
and like I, she's like I didthink it was weird, why would
they have it in the house ifshe's like deathly, like
allergic to it, right, um, butalso like why is she lying?
Or nina lying like why wouldthey lie?
And so it's just really strange.
But at the same time it doesfeel like Nina's like setting
Millie up for failure, a lotLike she'll say she's said

(07:55):
things that she didn't.
She'll like tell her to go pickup Cecilia, but like she shows
up to pick up the daughter, andthen Nina's like I never told
you to do that.
She like keeps.
She shows up to pick up thedaughter and then nina's like I
never told you to do that.
She like keeps gaslighting her.

Riss (08:10):
So it's like hard to know what to believe.
Yeah, yeah, you're likethrowing all over the place,
yeah, and the whole situationand it really does like.
I mean, it makes it.
The book thus far gives verylittle space for like
interpretation of like.
Is nina good or bad?
You know, it's like prettyclear up to this point that

(08:31):
she's kind of a bad person.
At least, that's like what it'strying to lead us to believe
like she's super difficult,she's controlling, she's all
these different things.

Chrys (08:43):
And andrew's the chill one.
Right, he's the reasonable oneyeah, but but do you want to
tell the next part?

Riss (08:54):
yeah, well, you can fill in if there's anything.
I but so as things progress,Millie Andrew asks Millie to
book like a concert tickets orfor Broadway right Like a

(09:18):
Broadway show or something.
So she checks with Nina for,like, good datesina gives her
the dates that she should bookfor.
And then millie goes and she,she buys these tickets.
They're very expensive.
Um, she books the hotel forthem to stay at and then come to

(09:41):
find out nina is like, uh, ninagets really mad at millie
because she's like I never toldyou those dates.
I told like I wanted it for theweek after that or whatever.
And Millie's like, no, like youfor sure told me these days and
she's like I would never tellyou those dates because I have
to take Cecilia to camp, thatlike that weekend.

(10:01):
And Millie is super confusedand she's feeling super gaslit
anyway, um, a quick note there.

Chrys (10:10):
What would you do?
Because, like Nina's done thisa few times, I was thinking that
when I was reading it, like,how do you like not manipulate,
but like change the situation soyou're not being set up for
failure?
Like what could you possiblylike?
Do you say like hey, could youactually text me those dates,

(10:30):
just so I have it?
Like I just want to make sure Iknow the exact right date so
you have proof.
You know, like, do you mindwriting it down?
I don't know like with howcould you go about it in a way
that, like, you have proof ofthe communication without making
your employer likeuncomfortable, because at my job

(10:53):
I would send an email and belike following up from our
meeting, make sure we agree oneverything in this specific
situation.

Riss (11:00):
It seems like there would be I don't know.
There just seems like no rightsolution, because if it was
texted, she would probably youknow, seems like the kind of
person who'd be, like you tookmy phone and you texted yourself
, or whatever.

Chrys (11:15):
That's true you know, because I don't know but that's
like harder to spin, though butshe kind of does like the the
whole time.

Riss (11:27):
What is turns out to be helpful is just having somebody
else to like back you up, whichis kind of like what andrew ends
up doing right, which is like,yeah, like you did tell, like
you did give.

Chrys (11:41):
Later on, when she gives there's like clothes or whatever
, anyway, yeah, I don't knowthat's true, and I mean, I guess
, when she went to pick up, whenshe called her to tell her to
go pick up cecilia, she couldhave been like well, you called
me at this time we talked yeahand I guess it like at the end
of the day, like does it matter,because she's the one that you

(12:02):
have to prove it to and she'sjust gonna say whatever yeah but
I was just thinking that it'slike how do you protect yourself
?
because I mean, yeah, I don'tknow, yeah, you're, I guess at
the end of the day you're alsolike an at will employee.
They could let you go at anypoint for whatever reason.
But I would just be reallyconcerned about, like how can I

(12:26):
keep my employment?
But at the same time, like sheis worried about keeping her
employment, but then she's goingout in her underwear to watch a
show, so it's like she'ssleeping with the boss which
we'll get to yeah, yeah, anyway,whatever, sorry no, it like it
is the perfect situation todrive somebody nuts, right?

Riss (12:48):
Oh yeah, because she doesn't really have a way out,
she doesn't have anybody to goto, she doesn't really have like
a support system.

Chrys (12:55):
Mm-hmm.

Riss (12:56):
And she doesn't have very many options because of her
background.
Yeah, um, but um, but um, yeah,anyway.
So nina is all mad becausethere is no way of her going to
the show now, because milliesupposedly got the tickets on

(13:21):
the wrong date, which she didn't.
So Millie or I mean Nina saysshe's gonna take the tickets out
of her paycheck.
But these tickets are superexpensive, and so Millie is kind
of like freaking out becauseshe's like I can't afford to
have this taken out of mypaycheck.
That's like three paychecks ina row for me, and then nina.

(13:46):
And then that weekend comes,nina goes off, takes cecilia to
camp and andrew's like hey, um,why don't you just use those
tickets?
And I'll just tell nina that Iwas able to get them refunded.
Yeah and yeah he.

Chrys (14:07):
He says so when nina is confronting Millie about it.
She's saying like, you're goingto have to pay for these.
Andrew says, well, like, let mecall the credit card, I might
be able to get them to refundthe whatever.
And then when Nina leaves, heturns to Millie and says like
actually I lied to her and toldher that I was able to get them

(14:27):
refunded, but I wasn't, but itwasn't True, which is is like
sketchy to me too, because it'slike, well for one, like I get
it, because you don't want herto like charge millie for these
tickets it doesn't make sensebut also like to tell her about
it.
It's like you're making likethe maid, your confidant or
whatever, about you lying toyour wife about something.

(14:49):
Yeah, he should have just saidhe got them refunded and then
just like left it at that, gave,given them to a stranger yeah,
someone else, yeah, no and diedon the money because he's rich
or something.
Yeah, he's, he's definitely he'seffing around yeah because it's
like oh, this is like ourlittle secret uh-huh it just

(15:09):
opens up a door.
Uh-huh, it's like you can telllike I'm talking about this, as
if it's like oh, this is likeour little secret.
Uh-huh, it just opens up a door.

Riss (15:11):
Uh-huh, it's like you can tell like I'm talking about this
as if it's like a real lifesituation but, like you can tell
it's, it isn't something thatjust happens, their chemistry
doesn't just happen, theiraffair doesn't just happen.
It's like he's and she, they'relike both playing into it,

(15:32):
right, they're like feeding intothese little things.
And it is like him making herhis confidant, um, him giving
her these tickets, veryexpensive tickets and then
treating her today so okay, allright, I'm getting ahead of
myself.
So the day of the, thisbroadway show comes and he's and
andrew's like you just take thetickets, go with a friend or

(15:55):
whatever.

Chrys (15:55):
And she's like well, I don't want, I prefer not to have
these tickets because I don'thave anybody to take and I
wouldn't want to go by myselfand not to overanalyze it, but
like the day that nina leaves,it's like right, it's that day,
right later that day I alsothought it was weird because
it's like right, it's that day,right.
Later that day I also thoughtit was weird because it's like
he didn't have any plans I alsoget ahead of myself but it was

(16:16):
like he had to go change rightaway as soon as Nina left, right
, am I remembering that wrong?
He had to go change, yeah, sothey could go.
Uh-huh.
So it was like right away, likeyou should go with your friends
, but it's like in a few hoursright, yeah, a little calculated
I I felt like it was yeah, Icould see that.

Riss (16:39):
Um, so yeah, so then she doesn't have any friend or
whatever, and then he suggeststo go with her right yeah, I
think he says like I'll go withyou.
Yeah, um, so then.
So then she's like superhesitant.
She puts on this like littleoutfit and he thinks she's so

(17:01):
beautiful, and then he can'thelp himself but stare and stuff
and she doesn't have anything.

Chrys (17:07):
well, I guess we skipped this.
But at some point nina had someclothes, a bunch of dresses and
whatever, and Nina only wearswhite we don't really know why,
and she has this super blondehair, whatever, anyway.
So she gives Millie all thesedresses.
Well, she says that she's goingto donate them because they
don't fit her anymore.
But then last minute she kindof turns to Mill, to millie,

(17:30):
says why don't you take them?
So when millie's getting readyfor this broadway show, she's
like I don't have anything nice,I only have all these white
dresses that, um, nina gave me.
So I'm just gonna wear one ofthose and it fits her perfectly
it's important for the storylater yeah, no, it's yeah.

Riss (17:49):
That's an important detail and which is, I feel, so weird
about the whole thing already,which is like, don't tell my
wife, we're going to this thinglike me and you, and then she
wears something that the wifegave her, like something I don't
know.
That would make you think ofthe wife the whole time it's or

(18:13):
like weird think of you as thewife replacement yeah, yeah, so,
anyway.
So then they go and then theyhave this like romantic dinner.
Afterwards she gets a text fromnina telling, reminding her to
take out the trash that day, andthen she's like, oh shoot, I
forgot, um.
And then they go to a hotel andhe even books like a separate

(18:39):
bedroom, right, a separate room,but then they end up yeah, I
don't think they talk about itbecause they were.

Chrys (18:48):
They realized that over dinner they got drunk, um, and
like there's a few things atdinner too, because it's like
she had never gone to like afrench place, and so he's taking
her.
She doesn't know what to order.
So she's like why don't youlike, surprise me, like it's
this, it's this whole thing.
And I don't remember too muchabout the conversation, I guess,

(19:09):
but I guess he does kind ofconfide in her more, saying how
his wife has changed.
She's not like how she used tobe.
She used to be more easygoing,more all these other things.
And yeah, I'm trying to thinkif I forgot anything.
Anyway, whatever, that soundsgood.

(19:30):
Yeah, so then he's like well, Ihad a lot to drink, I can't
drive back, why don't we justuse the hotel?
There's supposed to be two bedsin the room.
And she says no, like we wouldhave to get separate rooms.
And he's like well, I, that'sfine, I can pay for it, but then
they don't even go in the taxi.

Riss (19:50):
Yeah, yeah in the taxi they start.

Chrys (19:54):
I don't stares at her legs and then, like the taxi or
uber or whatever, takes like aturn, but they're not wearing
seat belts, so like their bodiesget close and then they just
take that as a sign from theuniverse to smash.

Riss (20:08):
Yeah this is so funny that's like a completely
avoidable situation like thisway you should wear your seat
belts.

Chrys (20:28):
Does that actually show up in the recording too?

Riss (20:32):
should we explain our theory?
Okay, for for anybody who'slistening that can't see this
every now and then on the webcamthere's like this thumbs up
that shows up that we don'treally know why it like pops up
every now and then it's asetting we don't know how to
turn off but, this is a more funexplanation.

(20:53):
Our theory is that the fbi guythat's listening to us is giving
us his stamp of approval.
He's like you guys are on tosomething and we just got it.

Chrys (21:07):
So this is avoidable and you should wear your seatbelt.

Riss (21:11):
Yeah, he confirmed it um oh, it's so funny because it
definitely like that makes methink of the times that I was
like in the back seat with, likemy brothers and you know, like
there's a turn and they'll likesmash you against the door but
just out of like now definitelylike elbow first yeah, there's.

(21:33):
There's like car rides whereI'm just like have my face
pressed against the window withmy brother, like with his foot
against my face.
Um, it's just such a funchildhood yeah anyways avoidable
, um.
So they start macking and thenthey smash in the hotel, um, and

(21:57):
she had like the best night ofher life.
But she knows it's it can'thappen again because he's
married and all the stuff I willsay the book was very PG.
True, I was surprised, me too.
I thought it was going to gointo details, but then it was
just like the next morning.

Chrys (22:15):
Yeah.

Riss (22:16):
Which respect.

Chrys (22:18):
Yeah, I was like what's the tea?
A little bit, Not a lot.
I was like disappointed.

Riss (22:26):
Well, I was just like I had my vibrator.
Okay, that's not vibrator.

Chrys (22:33):
Okay, that's not what I'm saying, it's just like.
It's like what's a conversation, what's like?
I'm just wondering like did youjust I don't know.
Yeah, you know.
Like did I don't know?

Riss (22:48):
No, yeah, it kind of.
They just kind of wake up thenext morning.

Chrys (22:52):
I do appreciate it a little bit because it's like
they were drunk and they kind ofdon't remember.
Maybe that's kind of the vibe,oh yeah.
But because that was, becausepart of me was like I wonder
what was said, wonder if theylike talked after, like oh, that
would be.

Riss (23:07):
That's actually a really cool take of like.
They're kind of drunk, but theyalso weren't too drunk.
Right, they were, or were they,super drunk I don't know.

Chrys (23:18):
I mean enough that they couldn't drive, but I don't know
what that means supposedly.

Riss (23:23):
I thought that was more of like excuse.
I understood it as more of anexcuse, but yeah um, anyway, I
mean it could be either one.

Chrys (23:33):
I will say that I've read a couple more books by freda
mcfadden and she doesn't reallydo like dirty.
So yeah, it might just be awriting style too.
But I was wondering, like the,because like there's a
conversation in the morningafter, but there's not much.
You would think that theyprobably talked more in the
moment.

Riss (23:52):
Yeah.

Chrys (23:53):
I don't know.

Riss (23:53):
I was curious because it's like yeah, I wonder if there's
more detail into that afterwardslater on.

Chrys (24:00):
Did we fall asleep?
Did we pretend we fell asleep,Like I don't know Whatever?

Riss (24:05):
Well anyway.
So then after that, asmentioned before, she never took
out the trash.
And then, oh wait, they get.
Okay, that's not that important, because they get there, they
get home.
And then Andrew has Enzo thegardener take out the trash for

(24:27):
them so that Nina never findsout.
Take out the trash for them sothat nina never finds out.
Um, and then nina is verysuspicious of their activities
and she, like she, thinks thatthere might be going something
on, but they kind of denyeverything yeah, like she gets
home from dropping off ceciliaat camp and she like had gone

(24:51):
shopping or whatever.

Chrys (24:52):
So she has like millie, pick up her things and take it,
take them upstairs and as likemillie's picking things up, um
nina kind of makes like somesnarky comments.
But then she says like, oh,like I called the um landline
last night, how come no onepicked up?
And she's kind of like I don'tknow, I must have been asleep.

(25:14):
I don't know what andrew's upto.
Like it was so funny becauseit's like if she didn't know
anything, she knew it then,because millie was like I was
probably asleep.
I don't know what he's up to.
I don't know what he did.
I don't know if he's, I don'tknow if he was home.

Riss (25:28):
I don't know, I don't know I know it sounded.

Chrys (25:31):
I don't know.
I don't remember exactly howshe phrased it, but it sounded
very much like he's none of mybusiness.
Okay, it sounded like wedefinitely smashed, but I'm
trying to not make it obvious bymaking it obvious stop asking
me questions.

Riss (25:45):
I know, um, yeah, so then after that, so yeah, so nina is
super suspicious.

Chrys (25:56):
And then, um, she see, she finds her clothes in
millie's closet right yeah, well, I'm trying to remember the
order of events, because whendid she find the playbill?
Was that after or before?
I don't know?
No, that was before.

(26:18):
So she, well, she serves dinnerone of the nights and she's
trying to avoid Andrew orwhatever, and as she's serving
dinner they kind of bump intoeach other.
He makes it seem like, hey, Ineed to talk to you, we need to
talk, whatever.

(26:38):
There's this whole thing.
Um, anyway, nina and andrew sitdown to have dinner and then
nina or millie's just trying toget back to her room and avoid
andrew and nina and all of themor whatever.
And then Nina's like oh, canyou give me the salt, or
whatever it is makes Millie comeback.
And then, when she does, nina'slike oh, um, I'd like love your

(27:01):
food.
Isn't this so great, andrew?
Yeah, like, um, I wonder whatkind of food you had when you
were in prison oh yeah and thenmillie's like, oh my gosh,
because she never told andrew.
And andrew kind of looks shockedand millie's just trying to
play it off, like yeah, no.
And she's like, yeah, likedon't get any ideas of serving

(27:21):
as prison food or whatever shesays.
And she's like, yeah, no,whatever.
And then she goes to her roomand she's pissed and then when
she gets into her room she seesthat, well, when she went to the
broadway show with andrew, shekept the playbill or whatever of
the show, uh, which you wouldreally only have if you went so
she kept it in her purse as likea little souvenir souvenir from

(27:43):
the their extracurricularactivities, and it was in her
purse.
But it's not anymore and nowit's on the nightstand.
So that makes it pretty clearthat, even though she's been
locking the room when she's notin there, that nina is still
going.
Yeah, it's still going in thereand looking through things.
So then she has a day off andshe leaves the house, goes to a

(28:05):
park, is reading, whatever she'sdoing, and then she comes back
and that's where she'sconfronted yeah, you remember
everything so much better thanme.
Like trying you're listening atlike four speed.

Riss (28:22):
We're only catching every other word like catching the
general vibe of what's going on,like there's some sort of
suspicion somebody died I don'tknow, and anyway, so yeah.
So then, um, millie, so yeah,nina confronts millie about
having clothes in her, herclothes in her, uh, closet, and

(28:45):
millie's like what are youtalking about?
Like you gave me these clothes.
And nina's like I would neverdo that the help.
Like why would I ever give youlike my clothes?
You're crazy.
And like completely gaslightingher right.
And Millie's like well, this islike so awkward.
And then Andrew walks in inthis like argument and Nina kind

(29:08):
of tries to pull him to herside and I was like can you
believe this?
Right?
Like yeah um, doesn't.

Chrys (29:15):
It's like she stole my clothes, like we're calling the
police, like you're gonna goback to jail or whatever because
she's on parole, uh-huh, andandrew's like, no, like I
remember you clearing out yourcloset and you're selecting
these like, or grabbing theseclothes or whatever that no
longer fit you, and then hepicks it up and he's like these
haven't fit you in years, whichI thought was hella rude you

(29:42):
think you fit into this.

Riss (29:45):
Look again, sister.
I know, it's like I know.
Well, just that divorce 100.

Chrys (29:54):
It's like get out um, but on the turn turn of events he
makes her leave um.
Yeah yeah.

Riss (30:05):
so yeah, she gets all like pissed and stuff and like how
are you taking her side?
And then he's like you knowwhat?
Like you've been treating herso bad this whole time, like
you've become such a differentperson.

Chrys (30:22):
Yeah, he tells, like Millie, to leave the room
because they're about to have aserious talk.

Riss (30:26):
So Millie pretends to go upstairs to her room and then
she's still listening.
Yeah, millie makes someinteresting decisions too in the
midst of all of this.
You know, yeah, like, I mean,I'm all for like listen.
I would definitely be verycurious myself, but at the same
time I would be so scared ofgetting caught.
I would, yeah, at the veryleast, like my bedroom door

(30:49):
would be open and I would beready to like bolt back in there
, like if I hear their dooropening.

Chrys (30:56):
You know, but you also like don't know, like he ends up
kicking nina out, but you don'tknow that he's gonna do that,
and like you just got accused ofstealing, so like I don't know,
yeah, I, I think I would justgo upstairs and I would just
like wait, wait anxiously, but Idon't want to get caught.

Riss (31:14):
Yeah, no, a hundred percent.
With every like you have acrazy employer, you slept with
her husband.
You ain't got no money.
You have nowhere to go, likeyou're playing with fire.
I am sitting in that room, yeah, anxiously waiting, just yeah,

(31:35):
tapping my foot, hoping I didn't.
I'm not gonna be kicked backinto my car, you know living on
the street.

Chrys (31:41):
I probably would have gone upstairs and I would have
packed a bag.
I would have left because, likeI don't know how this is gonna
go, she might like talk him intocalling the cops on me.
I'm ditching.

Riss (31:51):
Okay, let's make this clear no man is worth it.
Oh, no At all.
No man is worth that.
I'm sorry, andrew might beperfect, but you even Okay,
because this is also what I wasthinking Even if, like, in that
moment, everything goes to court, like you have the best outcome

(32:14):
possible, which is, like ninagets kicked out, you start
dating the, the guy, he, hetreats you like a princess, you
guys get married, build a familyor whatever.
If nina is as crazy as you knowher to be, in what world do you
want that woman as yourpartner's ex like and and that

(32:36):
you I mean, quote unquote liketook him from her right?
Obviously he has a lot to playin that, but yeah but, it like
you know.
In her head it's gonna be likeyou're the villain and you.
She doesn't have her husbandanymore because of you you are.

Chrys (32:59):
That is, you're trying to be in a documentary as the
person that doesn't getinterviewed because you did no
for real.
I would be like just weighingthat in my head alone would be
just like I don't know if I wantthat woman as um an enemy like

(33:19):
I will say a couple of thingslike well, for one, I we find
out that cecilia is not hisdaughter, right like that.
Um, nina had her before theygot together, but he's been her
father figure since she was likea few months old.
It sounds like are we notthinking of the child too,

(33:43):
because she's like the littlegirl's at camp you're gonna have
to like, if everything goeslike how you would think it
would go like, are you gonnahave to like co-parent with this
woman?
That's apparently a psycho.
Yeah, are you not thinkingabout that?

Riss (33:57):
well, millie kind of gives the the impression that, like
poor andrew, has to deal withthis brat that isn't even his
child, right, doesn't she kindof think along those lines?

Chrys (34:08):
she's like it's also like he is equally.

Riss (34:10):
No, he is a participant in raising the brat yeah, and does
it never cross her mind, likethis man has a million red flags
just because he put himselflike this is the life he built
for himself?
I don't know.
Yeah, does that?
I don't know if that soundswrong.

Chrys (34:29):
No, I get it.
I feel like I get how, likemaybe it would be a green flag
that Nina, having a daughter,didn't like turn him away, that
he was like willing to step inas a parent and it sounds like
he has a good relationship withCecilia.
But I would be like, yeah, Idon't like the way she talks
about it, cause it's like heraised this girl as his daughter

(34:50):
.
Yeah, I don't like the way shetalks about it because it's like
he raised this girl as hisdaughter.
They seem to have a goodrelationship.
She seems to listen to him, butshe is kind of a brat, like
that's his daughter.

Riss (35:08):
Yeah, and it's like a red flag in the sense of just like
he is in a relationship with awoman who is completely unhinged
, um, and he's sleeping andcheating on her and I don't know
yeah no, I agree with that andI think suspicious, yeah, and I
mean, like we said last time,like why is she crazy?

Chrys (35:27):
what did you do?
Yeah, yeah, he plays a part.
It, especially if she was sochill and so normal.

Riss (35:33):
Yeah.
And then she wasn't anymoreLike you know how they say like
behind every successful manthere's a woman.
Mm-hmm, behind every crazywoman there's a man.
There is a man that's my newquote, putting that on my
Instagram box I think that'svalid.

Chrys (35:58):
The other thing I think we forgot to mention, and I
can't remember exactly at whatpoint she finds out about this
oh, so when she goes to pick upCecilia from school that one
time that she's told to do thatbut then she's not supposed to
have because someone else wasgoing to pick her up and Nina
gaslights her she talks to somemoms for a second supposed to

(36:18):
have because someone else wasgoing to pick her up and nina
gaslights her.
She talks to some moms for asecond and they're like oh,
you're working for ninawinchester or whatever.
Oh, like, good luck, she'scuckoo.
And then at a later point, whenshe takes cecilia to like a
ballet class, she's talking toanother nanny and or maid and
she was saying oh yeah, like shewent to a mental institution

(36:41):
when cecilia was little.
Um oh yeah, I can't remember.
Did she tell her exactly whatit was?
Because I know what it is, butI can't remember if she finds
out at that point yeah, she, she, she finds out that it's
because Nina tried to drownCecilia in the bathtub yeah,

(37:06):
when she's a baby Like she tooka bunch of drugs and drugged the
baby and tried to drown her,and so she spent some time at a
mental institution.

Riss (37:14):
And like, luckily, andrew had called the cops like right
before and they got there justin time, which again suspicious.
How did he know, right, yeah,to call?
Like they don't say that, right, I don't think they do.
Like how did he know to callthe cops?

Chrys (37:36):
Yeah, I think they just say.
Well, I think the story is thathe was trying to call nina and
contact her while he was at workand he couldn't get a hold of
her, and then he called thepolice for a wellness check and
oh, okay, then never mind, Iretract my statement.
Maybe not, maybe maybe not, Idon't know, but yeah, so, yeah,

(38:02):
that's where we're at.
So I think that's kind ofinteresting too for a couple of
reasons, like like maybe it's agreen flag on Andrew for
sticking it out with her.
Like I don't know what thesituation is Like, did she?
Like that's not just likepostpartum depression, that

(38:23):
would be like postpartum likepsychosis, and yeah.
So like him working throughthat with her.
But then, like you work throughthat with her, she's kind of
unhinged.
You're not suggesting for herto get maybe help now.
If she's unhinged now You'realso cheating on her.

Riss (38:42):
You're cheating on her.
What is that supposed?

Chrys (38:44):
to trigger if she is nuts .

Riss (38:51):
And also it also comes right after they find out that
she can't have kids anymore.
Oh yeah.
Which is also pretty sad,considering, like, the timing of
it, and if this man is a greenflag, like he, I mean he
wouldn't be cheating on her atall, right, but he definitely

(39:12):
would would at least have thedecency to be a little more
empathetic about the timing ofit, you know, like not leaving
her right after they find outbecause she's not fertile
anymore.

Chrys (39:27):
So yeah of course she's gonna think that it has to do
with that you know, yeah, andmillie's supposed to be like
younger and fresher eggs orwhatever.
Yeah, no, I agree, I kind offorgot about that point.
Um, yeah, also, I mean I wantto be careful with how I say

(39:49):
this.
I guess I understand wanting tohave like a kid of your own or
whatever.
It's like that experience oflike having a little person or
whatever that's partly made fromyou or whatever.
But and I don't, I don't thinkthey specified what her
situation is, but they could.
It sounds like they have theresources.

(40:10):
They could fertilize eggs.
They could still do potentiallyIVF for her.
If not, they could also likefertilize the egg with his perm
or whatever and then have asurrogate or something.

Riss (40:24):
Yeah, like have an egg donor or adopt.

Chrys (40:27):
But the thing is, too, is like he has a daughter too.
He's allowed to have more kids.
But I'm saying like I don'tknow.
It's like if the desire is tobe a parent, why not just try it
in a different way, or adopt ifyou want more kids.

(40:49):
I don't know To like.
I think the mentality of likeyeah, like I'm just going to
find someone younger and have mybaby with her, is very much
like one obviously you trash,but also it's such like an ego
thing.
It's like do you just need toprocreate, like can't you?

Riss (41:09):
I don't know, I get wanting to have kids, I get
wanting to be a parent, but likejust yeah wanting fresher eggs
or whatever it is, just pissesme off so much yeah, yeah, if
that's the motivation behind it,it does, it is and it does feel
very stupid and maybe I madethis up, but it sounds like

(41:32):
maybe again.

Chrys (41:33):
Yeah, maybe I made this up, but it sounded like, when he
was talking to millie about it,that he's like I just always
wanted to be a dad and it's likeyou are yeah yeah, yeah, you've
been parenting this girl.

Riss (41:46):
She's like what nine and he started when she was a baby,
right yeah, it's like you raisedher, like you are a parent.

Chrys (41:53):
That just is huge red flag to me.
Like you, you have a daughter.
Do you not consider her adaughter?
You should have gotten intothat relationship if you don't
see her that way all his greenflags, you know, feel like
they're just really red for real.

Riss (42:11):
It's like the top of it's like the tip of the iceberg, you
know.
It feels like everything justfeels like there's a lot more to
it and it's like, oh, you'rereally kind to like stick it out
with nina up until this point,but then also like there just
seems to be a lot wrong with themarriage in and of itself and
you're trying to have a kid, butyou know that she's not like

(42:33):
really stable right now.
You're not really looking forhelp for her, not, and I don't
know she has a history of mentalillness, potentially.

Chrys (42:42):
And then she's in a really vulnerable time because
she really wanted a baby but shecan't have one.

Riss (42:47):
So we're gonna go ahead and have an affair on her
because that's not gonna do anumber on everyone, like yeah,
no, yeah, it's like yeah, yeah,you can tell that the and that
frida, the author, is trying towrite him as like a good man but

(43:11):
questionable.
You know, yeah, and she does afairly good job with that, but
you do like, when you're in thestory, you're like millie, you
being dumb, yeah also.

Chrys (43:25):
I mean, this is probably a bad thing that thriller books
are doing to me and shows andwhatnot, but it's always like
whenever I'm watching somethingor reading something and it's
like, oh, this guy is so nice,I'm like killer, so nice, such a
good person.
No, they're not.
There's no way.

Riss (43:44):
They have a history of something.
If this man is all green flags,that's a red flag.
Too many green flags equals ared flag.

Chrys (43:53):
I'm a true believer of that.
Yeah, also, it is interestingbecause he's introduced as, like
, this nice guy, whatever allthese things.
But then, like, you're gettingall these things, these pieces
of the story that are being spunin a way that's supposed to be
good, but then it's like I, Idon't, I don't know yeah, and
you can never trust a cheater.

Riss (44:14):
You know, like if you marry somebody that like, or
you're even with somebody whoyou got with by, like they were
with somebody else when you guysgot together, Like you're never
going to trust that person.

Chrys (44:25):
You lose them.
How you got them?
Yeah, yeah, exactly, I wasthinking that too, and it's like
also, like, what is the plan?
Like you're the maid in thishouse he's kicking out his wife.
Are we going to play house withthis person?
Do you want to actually try fora relationship?
If so, like you have to moveout and then like which, you

(44:46):
ain't got no money and now youain't got no job because you're
not gonna work at his house.
I don't know right.
I'm like right, getting intenseabout this get that finger up.

Riss (44:55):
It's like, um, it's just so stupid.
It's like think about it.

Chrys (44:58):
You're gonna well, I guess that's out the door,
because she already slept withhim.

Riss (45:02):
But it's like you're out of a job so you have no money,
or unless you want to becomefinancially dependent on this
guy who you don't really knowyeah, you don't know him at all
and it's like you're insertingyourself into such a weird
situation in the context of,like the environment outside of
the home too, like everybodyalready knows you as the, the

(45:25):
maid and they're gonna know thatyou cheated yeah that like you
slept with him and they're gonnalike clearly they're people
with lots of judgment and lotsof, yeah, um, opinions and
they're and rumors that spreadand not, and I guess like
ultimately it shouldn't mattertoo much.

(45:50):
I guess like the opinions ofother people, but that's not
even what I'm saying.
It's just a bad person.
It should yeah, it's just likeit.

Chrys (45:58):
Just I feel like you're just setting yourself up like
the relationship is gonna havesuch a hard time if it's already
stacked against all of that,you know like and I mean as a
couple not only did you have tomove out of his house, but as a
couple you have to move to adifferent place.
Because how do you everovercome that?
Because, yeah, you have theboyfriend or whatever she really

(46:18):
wants the boyfriend, but likeyou, have no community.
Like you, yeah, you don't.

Riss (46:24):
Yeah, you already don't have a support system yeah, and
then his support system is goingto be against, or I mean very.
They're gonna have like, haveopinions about your like.
Yeah, it's just.
I feel like the foundation isalready very like you're
building it on sand you knowyeah.
That's coming down.

Chrys (46:43):
No, I agree.
And it's also like she doesn'treally know his family.
It's just like you're yeah,you're just going to have so
many issues and, like I don'tknow, the chemistry only goes so
far.

Riss (46:57):
That spark is going to go off soon.

Chrys (46:59):
I know it's so far that spark is gonna go off soon.
I know it's like I don't knowthe tension and whatever it's
like it's already halfway gone,you're already smashed.
It can still be good, but it'slike your whole, like you have
no relationship, you don'treally know each other.
He doesn't even know that she'sbeen.
I mean, I guess he knows nowthat she's been to jail or
whatever, he doesn't know thereason yet, right he could
totally like tell her to get outonce he finds that out, if he

(47:22):
feels like that's not shedoesn't even know what he does
for work.

Riss (47:26):
I know, yeah, um, yeah, anyway, there's, there's just
like also there's too much, toomuch too much crap to to swim
through.

Chrys (47:41):
Yeah, in this relationship already nothing is
worth it.
And then when he's kicking ninaout, she's like what about
cecilia, what about us?
And he's like you never let meadopt her officially, so bye
like, which is like that's not agood reason.

Riss (47:55):
Dude like, do you love her ?
Yeah?

Chrys (47:59):
like as your daughter supposed.

Riss (48:01):
Like you, you, you wanted to adopt her at some point yeah,
like we would never be in thatsituation.

Chrys (48:07):
But if you were like, is that on a huge red flag that
he's like kicking the littlegirl to the curb?

Riss (48:14):
like a hundred percent.

Chrys (48:16):
There's like yeah, like would do not want to.
I mean, there's people that getinto relationships that are
shorter than that, like than thewhole the kids whole life, and
they end up doing like notvisitation, like some type of
thing, because like it's hard onkids to like lose relationships

(48:36):
that they build.

Riss (48:37):
So like I don, I don't know, I've just, I guess my
example is like influencers, butstill, At the very least, if
he's truly a decent human, he'lloffer some sort of like
financial support, you know, atleast for a while, because
you're kicking the woman out tothe curb 100%.

Chrys (48:57):
But not just that you would, wouldn't?
You want some type of custody?
That blows my mind.
Yeah, because like, yeah, he'snot the biological father, but
he raised her yeah.

Riss (49:09):
No, it's a very lousy excuse to be like oh yeah, well,
it's your fault, it'sgaslighting oh, mm-hmm, I don't
know.

Chrys (49:20):
It just gave me a huge ick of like he doesn't care
about the little girl at all,like who cares if she's bratty.

Riss (49:29):
Like every kid goes through phases like yeah, well,
no, and it and again it's likeit's.
It's one of those things whereit's like it's such a green flag
that he took this girl in andhe raised her as his own and
loves her and is such a goodfather to her.
But then, first chance he gets,he's like yeah, I never adopted

(49:52):
her, so she's not mine, so bye,you know.
Like yeah, that green turnedinto red very fast yeah, I don't
understand.

Chrys (50:05):
I feel like either way I would have packed my bags.

Riss (50:07):
It would have like left, I would have been like y'all are
too crazy for me.
Yeah, um, but anyway.
So continuing with the story.
Nina is kicked out.
They're now like starting thisrelationship.
Um, she, he goes, he's at work,I think, or doing something,

(50:32):
and she starts packing her roomto like okay, we missed a little
piece, sorry, wait.

Chrys (50:38):
Okay, it's gonna feed back into it.
Um, yeah, so they sleeptogether in the guest room,
whatever.
He tells her that well, shebasically says like she's gonna
do the chores or whatever thatshe normally does, and he's like
no, you're not gonna be my maidanymore.
Um, we can live here.
And you know, this might becomelike a permanent situation if

(51:01):
things go the way that I wantthem to go.
But you should just like relax.
And so she tries to like occupyherself and she reads some books
and like pulls them out orwhatever, of the bookshelves and
tries to read a few differentthings, leaves them on the
coffee table and then shefinally does realize that they
ran out of food.

(51:21):
So then, and in the meantime,she's getting these calls from a
blocked number and she doesn'tknow who it is, so she just
keeps ignoring them.
She goes to the grocery storeand to get some things, and
while there she gets anotherblock number call.
She ignores it again.
And then she runs into one ofthe PTA moms and she says that

(51:45):
she was supposed to have lunchwith Nina, but Nina never showed
up.
So she's wondering what's goingon.
She says like, oh, nothing Like.
Everything's fine.
Also, dumb highlight, but thePTA mom calls her like aren't
you Nina's girl?
And it just sounded like a pimpthing to me.
I don't know, I just it's such aweird way to refer to someone

(52:06):
at any job like yeah, so rudeyou're one of her girls unless
it's like you're her daughter.
I guess that's fine, but likeno yeah it sounds like you're
getting pimped out.

Riss (52:18):
It's just weird.
It's like you're her daughter.
I guess that's fine, but likeno, yeah, it sounds like you're
getting pimped out.

Chrys (52:21):
It's just weird.
It's like aren't you this otherperson's possession, Anyway?
But this PTA mom says, oh, like, yeah, okay.
And then she sees the phonethat it's in Millie's hand and
she's like oh, like, you're verykind to let her track you all
the time.
Oh, yeah, and Millie's likewhat do you mean?

Riss (52:40):
Like?

Chrys (52:41):
she just texts me sometimes and whatever, and the
PT mom is like no, like I'mtalking about the tracking
device or tracking app that'sinstalled in the phone and she's
like what?
Like find my friends, girl,yeah yeah.
Find my enemies, my stalkers umyeah.

(53:04):
So she's like, uh, what the heck?
So she leaves the groceries.
She goes to leave the grocerystore.
She's really stressed out andshe sees a white lexus leaving
the parking lot and she's like Ithink that's nina's car.
And then she gets another phonecall and she answers it.
She's like Nina, what do youwant?
Or whatever.
And it's like a vehicle, likewarranty call, yeah, and she's

(53:26):
like, okay, maybe I'm a littleparanoid thinking it's her
trying to contact me.
And then at another point shedoes answer.
At another point she doesanswer and the there's a like a
recorded message or like arobotic voice saying don't date
andrew, or like you have toleave andrew, or something and
she's like that's probably ninaanyway, so that's that's

(53:50):
important.

Riss (53:50):
It's gonna come back to play later yeah, yeah, no, that
is an important part.
And then another important partis that andrew feels really
weirded out by um the gardenerand zoe, who spends too long at
like, working in their gardenwhen, like, he's supposed to be
a gardener for the wholeneighborhood, right, yeah, but

(54:12):
he spends like half of his timeat their house and he's, like
andrew's, super suspicious ofthis, like doesn't get why he
spent so much time there, andeventually tells him to leave,
right, like you've been spendingway too much time here, yeah,
and and so, before leaving,throughout the whole book, he's
like this italian man who can'treally speak english and when he

(54:34):
tries to speak English, it'slike very broken English, heavy,
heavy accent really can't lovewords at a time like yeah, no
sentences like can't communicatevery well in English, so him
and Millie have like a very hardtime like.
Millie tries a few times to talkto him and never really can
anyway.
So fast forward to this momentEno turns to her and he's like

(54:58):
this place is dangerous, youshould leave.

Chrys (55:02):
And like his english is a lot better when he says that
like he still has an accent, butit's like way less like
detectable or whatever it likereveals that he, he like, knows
more than he's letting on.

Riss (55:14):
You know, he knows how to speak english.
He probably understands morethan he has, uh, led on at up to
this point and millie's like oh, that's really weird he's also
making sure that he's not sayinganything in front of andrew yes
, um, so that happens.

(55:35):
And then he leaves um, and thenoh did you say that andrew
fired him?
oh no, andrew fires him.
Yeah, okay, and then, so, then,um, so then we get to the point
that I tried to skip everythingimportant to get to um, but

(55:57):
millie is like okay, well, I'mgonna get out of this like
little closet of a room that shehad been living in, like on the
, and was it in the attic orjust like the upper floor yeah
um, she's like the only thingthat's up there.
Yeah, she's like I'm gonna getout of here, gonna like set up
in a guest room.
So she's like I'm going to getout of here, I'm going to set up
in a guest room.

(56:18):
She's packing her stuff.
Then Andrew gets home and he'slike what are you doing?
Then she was like oh, I justthought I could move into one of
the guest rooms.
He's like no, I love the idea.
I was going to suggest it.
Then it's so romantic, so theystart kissing and then they

(56:40):
start banging and then they'redoing it in her little attic
room and then the next morningOn a cot Comfortable.
And then the next morning shewakes up and he's already gone.

Chrys (56:53):
Well, at three in the morning she wakes up and it's
the middle of the night.

Riss (57:01):
Oh yeah, I was listening to it too fast okay.

Chrys (57:04):
So she wakes up in the middle of the night.
She notices that he's not thereanymore.
So she's thinking like oh he,he's much older than me, so he
probably needed to go to anactual bed.
Like I know that this cot likehurts my back, so I can only
imagine what it would do for him.
Was this the first time that?

Riss (57:22):
they revealed that he's 10 years older than her, because I
don't remember that being theymentioned before they talk about
it a few times like that he'slike 10.

Chrys (57:34):
I don't know, he's like in his 40s or something and
she's in her late 20s, okay, um,but I think they only mentioned
a couple of times.
They don't know, he's like inhis 40s or something and she's
in her late 20s, okay, um, but Ithink they only mentioned a
couple of times.
They don't say it too much, butyeah, she mentions in this
point just because she's like.
He probably woke up in themiddle of the night and was just
so uncomfortable he needed togo down and probably didn't want
to wake me yeah and she reallyneeds, really needs to go to the

(57:55):
bathroom.

Riss (57:56):
Right, I was gonna say okay, she does talk about how
like her bladder hurts, right,yeah, she Because relatable.
That was a moment that I waslike girl, like that, I get Same
.
That is After.
That's something I can support.

Chrys (58:11):
It was never that bad.
Well, it's not bad after kids,but and it wasn't that bad
before kids.
But when I was pregnant man itwas I got up like three or four
times in the middle of the nightto go pee because I needed to
pee, so bad all the time that islike I will wake up early
almost every day because I needto go to the bathroom.

Riss (58:30):
I'm like I and it hurts.
I'm like I just want to sleepin before bed too, I just drink
a lot of water.
I usually drink like quite abit of water right before I fall
asleep and like during thenight, so then, when I wake up,
I'm like I need to go.
That makes sense, it's.
It's a good tactic, though, toget out of bed.

(58:51):
You know, like if you're everjust like rotting in bed, you
can't do that when your bladderis screaming at you I know, but
it also sucks when you're sotired and you're like please
stop okay, this has happened tome so many times where I'm like
I'm so tired and I'm gonna gouse the bathroom and I like just

(59:11):
slightly miss the toilet whenI'm sitting down happens to the
best of us.

Chrys (59:18):
It's like, or yeah, with the husband.
It's happened a couple timeswhere I went to the bathroom and
the seat was up, yeah, and Idid not look or actually fallen
not to take a full shower in themiddle of the night that?

Riss (59:36):
have you heard?
Um?
Have you heard like the, thething people do like?
Um, if it's yellow, let itmellow, if it's brown, flush it
down.
Have you heard no?
you always flush oh, yes, youalways flush, okay, but that's
like a saying, but like it'slike to save money on water or

(59:59):
to like, or to help, like, justsave water, I guess.
Um, so that you're not flushinga ton and you're, yeah, helping
the world or whatever.
Um, that's something that like,like a philosophy a lot of
people live by.
I was reading on reddit.

(01:00:19):
Somebody was like do not dothat, because it's all fun and
games until until you're the onedoing the brown and it like
splashes back up, yellow,splashes back up and you don't
know who's.
Anyway, it was very.
I was like that is horrible andI'm so sorry.

(01:00:41):
I even brought it up.

Chrys (01:00:44):
I regret it, guys we need new friends, that's.
I don't think that's cool atall.
I at first I thought you weregonna go into like don't eat
yellow snow or something, andI'm like don't eat snow at all
and always flush but yeah, justjust always flush is is the

(01:01:08):
concept, um, but yeah, so anyway.

Riss (01:01:14):
So then, quick production.

Chrys (01:01:17):
Pause bud mama's recording.
Okay, I'm on a call.
You want to ask lolly something?
What do you want to ask?

Riss (01:01:32):
a big, a big workout, a workout.
Lookout, a lookout, a biglookout.
Yeah, the curse goes off.
Whoa Into a topsy lookout, whoa, whoa, that is very interesting

(01:01:56):
.

Chrys (01:01:57):
Okay, you gotta go with Dad.
Okay, bud, Close the doorplease.
I want to find Dad.
He's playing hide-and-seek.
He's playing hide-and-seek.
Okay, he's not in here.
Okay, Go look in Mommy's room.
Okay, I just got it out.
Yeah, so so yeah.

Riss (01:02:16):
So Back to the story.
And um, don't forget.
And so anyway, yeah, she reallyneeds to use the bathroom.
Yeah, and then she goes to openthe door to leave her little
attic room and it's stuck, as itusually is.
So she keeps trying and thenshe finds out that she's

(01:02:38):
actually locked in there boom.

Chrys (01:02:41):
The end of part one.
I read the whole thing and I'mjust so anxious to talk about
the rest.
I was kind of hoping youcheated too.

Riss (01:02:54):
I passed it I was so close .
I held myself back because Ieverything I read, I read like
so long ago and I had like therest of the week and I was just
like driving in silence and Iwas like I could be really using
audiobook right now yeah, butthat's okay, we can save it for
next time yeah, we'll finishyour the book not ready next

(01:03:19):
time.
So if you're following along,next podcast is the time to be
done.
We'll give our final thoughtsand we will also talk about what
book we'll read next yeah, um,do we want to do some
predictions?
Well, you know what happens.

Chrys (01:03:40):
Well, I can make stuff up , and why don't you go first?

Riss (01:03:45):
Okay.
Well, I feel like my predictionfrom the very beginning, which
I feel very right about now, isthat Andrew's the problem.
Yeah, um, so I can't problem.
Yeah, um, so I can't.
My mind kind of goes in twoseparate directions.

(01:04:05):
One oh, we got confetti now.
The fbi guy is very excited.
He's just on the edge of hisseat right now.
Um, anyway, at least we have onelistener every time there's,
it's him or her, we don't know.

(01:04:27):
We don't know um anyway.
So, okay, one of the directionsmy mind goes in is that andrew
is some sort of like mastermind.
Um, what, what's the word?
Um manipulator?
Manipulator, not not psychotic?

(01:04:47):
Um sociopath, sociopath, yeah,um, where he is, he's the one
that makes nina crazy and she'slike maybe she was she, because
before she was working and doinga ton of stuff before they got
married, so maybe she was thehousemaid before that and he was
married to somebody else andthen, kind of like the same

(01:05:07):
thing happened.
That like something, somethingalong those lines, right, and
then he kind of he is the onebehind her going crazy.
Ok, somehow, that's one theory.
My other theory is that theyare working together, him and
nina, and they're both kind ofthere's some sort of game going

(01:05:31):
on with the housemaid andthey're just trying to drive her
crazy somehow.

Chrys (01:05:38):
Um, it's like the most complicated swingers club and
they got one.

Riss (01:05:45):
They only got half of us that's why they're trapping her
in the attic trying to collectmore but yeah, maybe they're
like working together and thewhole plan has always been to
trap her there and they've gotsome weird game going on.

Chrys (01:06:04):
Okay, those are my two theories, and pretty good ones.

Riss (01:06:10):
Um, yeah, you can say what you thought at that like yeah,
that's what I'm trying to thinkof.

Chrys (01:06:20):
Um, what came to mind as soon as that door was locked?
One well, first thing, it waslike I think three in the
morning when I was reading that,and so, like josh is like
asleep and I'm just like I needsomeone to talk to about this
like I kind of thought you weregonna say like I need to go
check my door.
I have a story about that too.

(01:06:44):
But yeah, I was just I don'tknow, um, so I was reading it
pretty late, so I had a fewdifferent theories.
I mean, when I kind of wasthinking that he was the bad guy
too, I was thinking maybe hiswhole thing is going after
vulnerable women like yeah whenhe met his wife she was like she

(01:07:09):
had a newborn and they gottogether, it sounds like very
shortly after that um she waslike working multiple jobs,
right like she was a very hardworker when they first met.
I can't remember what they.

Riss (01:07:23):
I know what they say after but I don't know what they say
before.
I don't know.
They definitely say that shewas working.
I think she was like a like ahard worker.
I don't remember if it was twojobs or what it was, but that
sounds right actually.

Chrys (01:07:36):
um, but, yeah, that she was.
She was definitely working anddoing things with a newborn,
which is really hard.
I think they might havementioned that she was working
multiple jobs and, if that's thecase, like she wasn't like
financially stable and he'ssuper rich, so so invulnerable

(01:07:57):
in comparison to him.
Right, he's got like a savior,complex it could be yeah, it
could be.
Um, I was gonna say somethingelse that I had forgotten too.
Oh yeah, at some point I can'tI think it's when they do the
pta meeting at their house,which I guess we didn't really
mention because it was veryuneventful.
Um, but like Nina basicallythrow this, throws this PTA

(01:08:20):
meeting at her house and makesNina plan the whole thing and,
um, nina's just really busycleaning up the house and Andrew
kind of saves the day by goingand picking up the hors
d'oeuvres I don't know how tosay that.
Anyway, that's not important.
But during the PTA meeting, atsome point Nina walks out and
then they mention a couplethings that become important

(01:08:41):
later.
Her roots are growing in.
They mentioned that a lot.
I don't know if you got intothat um, that she hasn't gotten
her hair done, and then, whichsounds really stupid, but it's
going to become important.
And then the other thing is andI can't remember 100, sure, if
that's when they mention it, butat some point you find out that
they have like an iron cladprenup.

Riss (01:09:02):
Yes, yeah, the ladies talk about it when nina, like,
leaves the room for a second andthen the ladies are chatting
about it and, yeah, millie hearsthem, so, um, so yeah, so that
kind of implies that she didn'thave any money and he has a lot
of money Millie hears them, soyeah, so that kind of implies
that she didn't have any moneyand he has a lot of money.

Chrys (01:09:21):
So when they got together , so yeah, that's kind of what I
was thinking Like maybe he justkind of goes after, like
vulnerable women and then hesomehow makes them go a little
nuts and then he gets sick ofthem and then he wants a new
person to save and depend on himyeah and whatever before he um

(01:09:49):
things go south.
I was definitely like reallyconfused as to like what he does
to drive them nuts, exactlybecause they don't say, but also
because, like in front of otherpeople, he's obviously seems
like a nice guy to his wife andhis kids and like the image he
definitely seems like he has itall together yeah, and, and

(01:10:11):
millie is living with them andshe's not seen anything from his
side.
It's usually, um, nina who'sgoing a little nuts, and I don't
think we mentioned this either,but at some point I think it's
like one of the first few nightsum, she's at the house, but
they're fighting.
I think it's after they findout that she's not fertile or

(01:10:33):
not able to carry a pregnancy toterm, um, but nina and him are
fighting in the room and thenmillie comes down to make sure
everything's okay, because shehears like a loud bang or
something.
And then nina comes out of theroom and she's like bleeding and
so she wonders if andrew's okayor something.
Yeah, but she hears like thewater running in the bathroom.

(01:10:53):
So she knows that he's okay,but she thinks that nina did
something to him, so that kindof.
I was a little confused on that, but part of me was like, is
she like doing it to herselfbecause she's going crazy,
because he's nuts, or did hehurt her in that scene?
But she, like it's starting tofight back so he's getting sick

(01:11:13):
of her?
I don't know.
I had a few different theories.
I definitely one of them wasdefinitely to the.
Maybe they were workingtogether somehow, um, and
wanting to trap her.
But I I was also like, but why,like, did they just like
torturing people?
Maybe that could be it, or likeI don't know, because, like you

(01:11:35):
, do you want them?
I don't know.
Do you want to sleep?
Do you want her to work for youfor free?
Or like, because you're payingher, she lives with you.
You already have full access, alot of access.
He's sleeping with her.
He has full access.
So, like, some weird game goingon, some weird kink because,
like I don't know, yeah, yeah,yeah, anyway.

Riss (01:11:58):
Anyway, we'll find out next episode.
Yeah, thanks for listening.
Bye.