April 10, 2025 • 27 mins
Have you ever wondered if your spiritual curiosity conflicts with your religious upbringing? This soul-stirring conversation with Kaylee English, oracle card reader and spiritual guide, illuminates the beautiful harmony between traditional faith and modern spiritual practices.
Kaylee demystifies oracle card reading, explaining how this intuitive practice differs from tarot and fortune-telling. Unlike the structured format of tarot, oracle cards offer flexible interpretations that serve as present-moment check-ins rather than rigid predictions of the future. The parallels between acknowledging guardian angels in traditional faith and connecting with guidance through oracle readings reveal a shared foundation—both honor the protective energies that surround us.
Our dialogue explores how women often lose connection with their authentic selves through marriage, motherhood, and career demands. When we constantly pour from an empty cup, attempting to be everything for everyone else, we deplete our energy and effectiveness. Spiritual practices—whether church-based or alternative—offer pathways back to our core essence. By honoring both our intuitive feminine energy and our action-oriented masculine energy, we find the balance necessary for sustainable fulfillment.
The conversation challenges hustle culture's relentless push for productivity, reminding us that rest isn't laziness—it's essential restoration that actually enhances our output. When we silence our intuition to conform to expectations of constant motion, we sacrifice the quality of our work and our wellbeing. Opening our minds to the possibility that seemingly different spiritual approaches can coexist allows us to embrace the full spectrum of our spiritual nature without abandoning our foundational beliefs.
Ready to explore your own spiritual journey with curiosity rather than judgment? Listen now and discover how reconnecting with your spiritual self might be exactly what you need to thrive in every aspect of life.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi and welcome to this week's episode of Thrive
and Decide.
This week I have Kaylee English,who is an amazing friend that I
just recently met, but I feellike I've known her forever and
we definitely vibed a lot.
I had her at an event recentlyfor Thrive and Decide and she
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was doing oracle cards and I hadnever had my oracle cards read,
so of course I had to do it andI also was very, very curious
what is the difference betweentarot reading and oracle reading
and all things woo?
Which then led me to have aconversation with Kaylee about
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our faith.
And you know, I mean I grew upin Oklahoma, the buckle of the
Bible belt, where everyone goesto church every Sunday, and you
know, and I still am very, veryfaithful.
But I feel like going on thiswoo journey and I use the word
woo just because that's whatmost people call it, but I call
it more of a spiritual awakeningI've seen so many things that
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just are so parallel to what Iwas raised in and spirituality
and God and all of that, that itwas so fascinating to me that I
wanted to share it witheveryone else.
So, kaylee, thank you so muchfor taking time out to jump on
here with me.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, of course.
Thank you for having me.
I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, so I guess if you want to start you know,
cause I'm sure that everyoneelse out there is like me, like
what is the difference betweentarot and Oracle?
Card reading.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, so very good question.
I love both.
So the way I explain it is,oracle is kind of like Tarot's
sister, where Tarot is a setdeck.
You've got set face value cardsthat each have their own kind
of meaning and then whensomeone's reading your deck from
Tarot, they're kind ofinterpreting that card that's
coming up and what that messagecan mean for you.
Where in Oracle reading eachdeck is different to the artist,
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so each deck is going to havedifferent cards and different
meanings.
So you can kind of get a pullto what deck you want to use,
but it uses the same kind ofintuitive message.
So as you pull up the cards,kind of putting a picture
together as to what they'retrying to tell you in that
moment, what the cards aremeaning to you in your life,
what the message might be.
So both kind of giving anintuitive message, just
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different modes of deliveringthat.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, absolutely.
So how did you kind of get intothis?
You know, because I know, whenwe, you know, talked and I, you
know, quickly thought of you aslike my new best friend, I was
like, oh my gosh, this is socool.
But I've always wondered howdid you kind of get into this
and what kind of drew you to it?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, so I've always been drawn to the spiritual woo.
I did grow up in church, soobviously I have a faith
background, but it alwaysfascinated me and so I was
definitely one who dabbled inhaving other people read my
cards and tarot.
And then I kind of stumbledupon Oracle readings at one of
the events I went to.
And then I was in anotherspiritual shop, probably like a
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few months later, and they had awhole side of cards and I was
looking through them and I foundan Oracle deck and it just so
happened.
I picked it up, I really likedit and I was like, okay, I just
want to see what this is and ineach side each deck they have an
explanation.
So the artist usually includesa book that has some information
on what those cards mean.
So you can kind of I startedgiving myself readings, started
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checking in with myself, andthen it kind of grew to giving
that for other people and kindof understanding and developing
and giving a full reading withthe Oracle deck.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, I love that.
So I think some people you knowlistening may think that, um,
you know, uh, like that, thissounds so woo and like you're,
you know like you're trying tobe a fortune teller or something
, and you know, uh, I think thatthat is a really bad
misconception because, you know,when I sat down like with you,
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I didn't know what to expect,but you were so spot on with
this stuff, but you weren'ttrying to tell me like, oh my
gosh, like this magical man isgoing to come into your life and
you know, like all of that,like where I'm like, okay, cool,
I'm already married, thanks,you know, appreciate that.
But instead it was.
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You know really a lot of likeyou know here are, you know some
cards from your past and youknow, here's what it means.
Does that, what does that meanto you, you know, and it was
like spot on.
You know, I'd like I was almostin tears just because I was
like, oh my gosh, okay, likethis is great.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, the way I explain it.
You can do a lot with the cards.
You can do past, present,future, mind, body, spirit.
But typically the way I explainit, and not a fortune teller
way is this is a check-inmessage for you and, coming from
a faith-based background, youknow, if you believe in angels
and people that are supportingyou within your journey, I tell
people cards don't tell thefuture.
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I'm not going to be able to likepredict what's happening to you
or when the love of your lifeis coming in, at least able to
like predict what's happening toyou or when the love of your
life is coming in.
At least that's not what I dowith my cards.
It is a check-in in that momentand I always remind people you
have free will.
So even though you're pulling afuture card at any moment, you
can make different choices andchanges.
It's just a check-in as to thepath and kind of where you're at
right now and to where that'sgoing.
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So when people check in with meI say you know, it's not
fortune telling, I'm not goingto predict the future, there's
nothing to be worried about,like if a bad card comes up,
like there's no bad cards.
This is just a check-in andkind of a message for you to
hear and take and let itresonate with you as to what
that means to you and where youwant to take that message going
forward.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I love that and you know.
I mean, like we've said, youknow multiple times here, like
we both were, you know, raisedin the church and everything.
Now do your friends and familythink that anything that you're
doing now kind of goes against,like your religious?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
background.
My grandfather would be thebiggest one.
He is very Catholic, has God isgood all over his car and every
coat that he has.
So he's definitely asked what Ido when I do these things and I
talk about them and post aboutthem.
And the way I kind of explainit is you know, something
happens to someone, they get inan accident and they come back
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unscathed, right, they have noscars, no bruises, no broken
bones, and someone like mygrandfather's like, wow, your
guardian angel is not with youtoday.
God's watching out for you.
I'm like well then, that'sexactly what this is is checking
in with that energy around youand checking in with those that
support you in a spiritual sense, and so it usually helps buffer
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that conversation from someonewho's very spiritual to a woo
kind of world.
You're talking about the samething.
You're talking about spirit andyou're talking about people
supporting you and watching outfor you and protection, and
that's the same kind of messagethat you're checking in with
yourself.
It's the same energy.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, I absolutely agree, and I love that you used
that analogy, because I actuallystill remember when I was in
the fourth grade.
But we had one of thoseextended station wagons, so it
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had the back seat that folded upand you would look in the back
or you were looking backwardswhenever you were riding.
Anyways, my cousin and I wereboth in the front seat, both
buckled in, of course, becausethat was always a rule in our
house, but we were driving, wewere in the middle of nowhere.
Basically, my dad's left tireblew.
He slammed on the brakes, itlocked, and so then he tried to
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get us over to the side of theroad and we're on a turnpike,
and so we hit something, end upsliding on the side, flipping,
rolling, and literally my cousinwho again, you know, again very
, very spiritual Her dad had hadthis feeling before we left.
He prayed for over an hourbefore we left, and then we got
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in the car and she said that apiece of glass, so the
windshield should have come intous, but instead it went out and
a piece of glass, though, flewtowards her head.
She turned around and she sawher guardian angel in the back
seat, and then she turned backaround and it was gone.
But somehow we all survived.
Like, we all got out.
We had a dog with us.
The dog was doing like flips,like you know ran out.
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Everybody was safe.
We all walked away perfectlyfine, you know.
So, like you know, when you saidthat I was like oh my gosh,
that's such a crazy like thing,because you know that was and I
didn't even know it until Istarted going on this kind of,
you know, spiritual journey, um,you know I didn't realize that
that was kind of my first youknow taste of like the, the woo
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world, um, because you know itis kind of a little bit outside
of that traditional, you know,christianity and things like
thinking about your guardianangel and then thinking about,
you know, all the spirit guidesthat are around you and things
like that.
But I really think that youknow mine started during my
divorce.
You know I really just startedfiguring out like kind of who I
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was and who I wanted to be andyou know just like ended up
finding, you know, keeping anopen mind, and finding people
you know, like Kathy Heller, whoare all about manifesting, and
I was like what is that?
Like?
That's so crazy, you know.
And so then I've gone into likemeditation and Reiki, and you
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know there's an episode on Reikion here as well.
So you know, like I, just Ifind it so fascinating and so
that's why I really wanted toshare it on here, because I
wanted people to know that, likeyou know, even though you were
like one person and you believedone thing, you know, when you
were in your marriage, it's okayto have an open mind, you're
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not betraying God.
In fact, all of the teachings,and you know you can obviously
share, like your thoughts onthis as well.
But to me, every person thatI've, you know, listened to that
has to do with meditation ormanifestation or anything like
that.
They always talk about likebeing connected to source.
And they always talk about likebeing connected to source and
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they always say that can be Godor the universe, or your angels,
or your spirit guides orwhatever you want to call it.
You can call it whatever youwant, it's all the same.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, so much to say about that, absolutely so.
I mean, for me, I always goback to your connection and
source and people will be like,well, why do you have this
connection?
Why can you read these cards?
And honestly, I tell peopleanyone has that connection.
It's just like strengthening amuscle, the same way you go to a
gym and really opening yourselfto listening and hearing kind
of the messages.
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Because we all get that gutfeeling.
We all get this sense of likewhere we should go, what we
should do.
And sometimes it's like assimple as like make a left here
and your brain's like why wouldI go left here?
And it's just this feeling andso anyone has the ability to
open up into that.
So really, when I do like oraclereadings or card pulls or even
getting down into meditation andmanifestation and those things,
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it's really just trustingyourself and getting to know
yourself again.
And most times what I tellpeople is I'm just the messenger
.
This message is for you.
I am the deliverer of themessage, but you're going to
know exactly what it's trying totell you and what it means.
And I read cards for people allthe time that I don't know
anything about their life orwhat's going on.
And then you know they'regetting tearful and they're like
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I really needed to hear thattoday and usually it's.
You know the message, like youknow what they're trying to say,
what the cards are saying, it'sjust confirmation and sometimes
a nice check in.
And when people get off of likekind of get off track on the
spiritual thing and they kind ofget worried about it.
I always tell people I comefrom a science background.
I did ER, nursing, like scienceis what I do, and so I've told
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the story so many times.
But it's so true, like if youare a nurse or you work in
healthcare or anything like that, you can kind of feel when to
do CPR, like you know when thatenergy is gone and you can kind
of feel it in the room andyou're like okay, and then you
can kind of feel it when itcomes back.
And, looking at it from ascience standpoint, I always say
energy can't be created ordestroyed.
So where does it go?
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Like there's a whole part ofyou that needs to be listened to
and taken care of.
The same way you go to the gym,the same way you would work out
, the same way you would walk ortake care of your health or
your mental health.
This is the same kind of thingas taking care of your spiritual
health and checking in with you, and it's just something I'm so
passionate to people aboutsharing, because it's just a
whole piece.
That kind of gets lost in theworld of woo where people are
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like, oh, this whole side isjust you know, I believe in God
and I go to church and I'm likeI do too, so like let's talk
about it and it's just a wholepiece that you feel so much
better when you get thatconnection back with yourself,
especially depending on whatyou've gone through and if
you've come out of a darkerperiod or a really heavy period
of your life, getting intoconnection with yourself and
your end source and that spiritand that gut instinct you might
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have silenced it for decades andyou might have not listened to
it for so long and then when youget back in touch with it, it
is such a refreshing breath ofair to be able to live your life
and it just you feel moreauthentic, you feel much more
connected and to me, it's givenme a lot of peace, along with
all the other things I do inlife.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
So, yeah, no, I love that and I love that you say you
know you're just getting likekind of connected back to like
source into yourself.
Because I think, you know, Ithink a lot of women like myself
included, you know whenever youfirst get married you think, oh
my gosh, I'm going to be likethe perfect wife and that's all
you're focused on.
And then you have children andyou're like, oh my gosh, now I
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need to be the perfect mom, likeyou know, I can't be.
You know, I can't be the sexywife for my husband anymore.
I now have to be like the mom,and you know.
So you're kind of like stuck inthose and so you're trying to
battle with yourself to be thebest mom and the best wife, but
you're not also trying to be thebest version of yourself,
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because you become this selflessperson just taking care of
everyone else and just makingsure that you're the best for
everyone else.
And I know for me and for a lotof women that I've talked to
that you know, as they gothrough their divorce, they're
like oh my gosh, I had totallyforgotten that.
You know I liked, you know Iliked my eggs this certain way,
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because my husband always madethem this way and I just, I just
thought that's what I liked andI forgot that I wanted to be a
CEO of a company one day and Iforgot that I wanted.
You know, I had all these goalsand dreams, and so I think,
really getting connected back toyourself and going on your own
spiritual journey, whatever thatmight look like, whether that
means you get more attached inchurch or you get more attached
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in this what we call woo world,and start doing things like
Reiki or like Oracle cardreading or, you know, meditation
, you know, and honestly, for me, I've really gotten so
interested in learning all ofthese other things because for
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me, like it makes myspirituality make more sense,
like it makes my upbringing andmy church background make more
sense, which is mind blowing tome.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, absolutely.
I couldn't agree more.
I go to church on Sunday andyou can, you hear the message
and it just, it perfectlyparallels if you're open to it.
So if you are open to reallylistening to both sides of it,
the message is parallelthemselves.
You know, love yourself, love,love each other, you know, find
things that bring you passion.
And when you go to listen inchurch, it's just, it's such a
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nice parallel and all thesynchronicities, that kind of
crossover in between the two.
And one of my favorite likeexamples that I always tell
people when they, when we talkabout you know, forgetting
you're this kind of person andtrying to be everything to
everybody else.
It was so powerful from, like,the ideology or the saying that
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you can't pour from an empty cup.
And if you think of a cup withall these holes in them and
you're constantly leaking outall of your energy, then you
just always feel depleted andyou always don't feel full.
But if you fill that same cupand you fix those holes and you
really get back to center andkind of check in with yourself,
that cup overflows and you justnaturally become, you know so
much more fulfilled and beingthe best mom and trying to do
all of these things, if you wantto be a CEO or if you want to
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do, you know, change the world.
If you have a full cup and youkind of fix all the places, your
energy is leaking out of you,it, it pours over in abundance
and it just leaks intoeverything in your life and it
just feels so much more freeingand so much less stressful for
you to just first fill your cupand let it pour out to everybody
around you.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, I absolutely agree and I've used that analogy
so many times with people.
I'm just like you can't givefrom an empty cup.
You know and it's definitely areminder that I have to remind
myself a lot too this hustleculture where we have to just
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hustle and make everythinghappen.
And you know like we have tocontrol it all.
And you know, again, goingthrough this whole spiritual you
know journey and like just this, you know entire like divorce
journey, like I've reallylearned that I'm a recovering
people pleaser and a recoveringcontrol freak and that the more
that you try to control, thelike less things actually work
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out for you and you just staystagnant.
And so you know, openingyourself up, trusting God, the
universe, angels, whoever youwant to trust, whoever you want
to be connected to, you know,like by doing that, your life is
just going to changeexponentially.
And you know, like by doingthat, your life is just going to
change exponentially.
And you know that's where.
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That's where big things happenand that's, you know, if we can
all stay in that place ofcuriosity and that place of love
, that's how we're going to makethis world, you know, a better
place is just by spreading thelove.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, and that's, and that's why I preach so much
about you know, understandingspirituality, let that being a
part of your journey, becausewhen you feel that depleted in
this hustle culture of push,push, push, like you don't move
the needle, when you feeldepleted, like you can push
through it, but the product thatyou're going to have at the end
of that is going to be it'sgoing to take you 10 times
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longer and so much more energythan if you had just rested for
a minute and then really focusedon it.
The speed that you wouldcomplete that and the product
and the end result that you'regoing to have is going to be so
much more produced and so muchbetter because you have the
energy to do it.
And I think we as women, we getstuck in kind of a men's culture
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of go, go, go and like theirentire rhythm is different than
ours and we have ebbs and flowswhere sometimes you need even
just an evening to yourself andthen we feel guilty for that and
just being able to check inwith yourself and really
understand what your body andyour mind and your spirit is
telling you of like, hey, we'rekind of going zero to 100 the
past nine days.
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Maybe we should just take abreak today.
And then you feel guiltybecause you're like no, I have
all these things on my to dolist.
It's so important to just startto listen to yourself Again.
We've shushed it for so longbecause all these people are
telling us go, go, go and hustle, hustle, hustle, and you can't
get anywhere if you're notworking 190 hour weeks, which to
get somewhere, takes a lot ofwork.
But you also have to trustyourself and you also have to
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take that time to get there andreally recover sometimes from
pushing so hard.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, that is so true .
And that's such a greatreminder because I still, to
this day, struggle with that,like if I, if my body is like,
oh my gosh, I just need like ahalf hour nap, and I know, like
my logical brain knows that if Itake a half hour nap, I am
going to wake up and I'm goingto have all the energy and I'm
going to be able to do all thethings.
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But if I just push through, Imay get half of what I need to
get done, but I'm not going to.
But then, whenever I lay down,I feel guilty, like, oh my gosh,
I'm wasting my day.
I should be up doing stuff, andyou know.
And so I've really had to justcontinue to like push through
that and be like, no, no, Sarah,it's okay, you can take a
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little nap and the world isn'tgoing to end and you can get up
and you can.
You're going to be so muchbetter off.
And you know, now I'm like,okay, I got this, you know.
But yeah, it's definitely justthat, that masculine energy that
you know, that hustle culturethat we've all been, you know,
so like just covered in and justwe've been raised in, and so I
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love that we have people, youknow, like you, that are out
there, you know, reminding us ofthat feminine energy and
reminding us of, like thatspirituality, and you know,
staying connected to source,because that's that's what
you're doing with your work, andI love it.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, I mean that's part of the Wu side is
understanding there's bothfeminine and masculine and you
have to balance both.
If you're too hard one way orthe other, you're going to feel
out of balance, and bringingthat back into center really
will change the game.
Not only for your business, butbeing a mom, being a wife,
being a parent, being whateveryou want to be being a CEO, you
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need both energies.
And if you're too far in one orthe other and too heavy into
one, you're going to feel offbalance.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, again, I reallyappreciate you taking time and,
you know, just kind of walkingus through.
You know your spiritualitycoupled with your, you know with
your woo side.
So I appreciate that and I lovethat you and I connected over
that because you know, like Isaid, like I just think that I
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think that a lot of people getit confused and they think that
one is witchcraft and one is Godand that both are wrong because
it's all being connected tosomething, being connected to
source.
I mean, I've even talked withone of my best friends is a
minister.
My sister's a minister.
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I've talked to both of themabout this and they're like,
absolutely, this is such a good,you know, like your spiritual
journey, that you're on themeditation, the Reiki, all of
that stuff.
You know I'm interested in theKabbalah, like I just I think
you know it's all about thegreater good and you know, in
talking to them they're like,yeah, it's great to know what
else is out there and you knowto believe in different things
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and it is going to strengthenyour spirituality.
So you know that to me was hugetoo, because both of them are
people that would tell me like,nope, you are batshit crazy If
they thought that I was batshitcrazy or if I was going down the
wrong path.
So you know, I trust thatwhenever you know, even
ministers are telling me likethis is okay, this is not, it's
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not witchcraft, it's.
You know, it's really youconnecting back with God and,
however that looks, however youknow you want to call it,
everyone needs to be connectedto source.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Absolutely.
Yeah, I always urge people justopen your mind to the
possibility of what if, and bothcan be true.
You don't have to let go ofyour faith and your belief in
faith to understand and want tolearn that there might other be
good things that you can do foryour spirit and yourself.
So both can be true if you justopen your mind and allow
yourself to be curious, insteadof passing judgment the minute
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you hear something.
It's wild what you might likeand what you might add into your
own life and your own routine.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, I love it.
Well, I would love to continueto share, like you know, you and
your message.
So if somebody was interestedin getting a reading from you,
you know, or even discussingthis more, what would be the
best way for them to get aholdof you?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I do most of my marketing through Instagram, so
my Instagram isrevivalproject614.
Again, that's all based offenergy and CPR and kind of
bringing back energy into theworld.
So revivalproject614, it is thesame handle for a email.
So if you're not an Instagramperson, you're not a social
media person.
You can always email me atrevivalproject614, gmailcom and,
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yeah, from there I do Oraclereadings.
We can do that via Zoom.
I also am certified in lifecoaching.
So all the exciting things tokind of help people guide
themselves through this exciting, exciting journey.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah, I love that and I'll put all those links in the
show notes so that you knowanyone listening can just find
you pretty easily so awesome.
Well, thank you so much againfor sharing your message and,
you know, just sharing your,your light.
I really appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Of course.
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Thank you.
Hi and welcome to this week's episode of Thrive
and Decide.
This week I have Kaylee English,who is an amazing friend that I
just recently met, but I feellike I've known her forever and
we definitely vibed a lot.
I had her at an event recentlyfor Thrive and Decide and she
(00:25):
was doing oracle cards and I hadnever had my oracle cards read,
so of course I had to do it andI also was very, very curious
what is the difference betweentarot reading and oracle reading
and all things woo?
Which then led me to have aconversation with Kaylee about
(00:47):
our faith.
And you know, I mean I grew upin Oklahoma, the buckle of the
Bible belt, where everyone goesto church every Sunday, and you
know, and I still am very, veryfaithful.
But I feel like going on thiswoo journey and I use the word
woo just because that's whatmost people call it, but I call
it more of a spiritual awakeningI've seen so many things that
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just are so parallel to what Iwas raised in and spirituality
and God and all of that, that itwas so fascinating to me that I
wanted to share it witheveryone else.
So, kaylee, thank you so muchfor taking time out to jump on
here with me.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, of course.
Thank you for having me.
I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, so I guess if you want to start you know,
cause I'm sure that everyoneelse out there is like me, like
what is the difference betweentarot and Oracle?
Card reading.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, so very good question.
I love both.
So the way I explain it is,oracle is kind of like Tarot's
sister, where Tarot is a setdeck.
You've got set face value cardsthat each have their own kind
of meaning and then whensomeone's reading your deck from
Tarot, they're kind ofinterpreting that card that's
coming up and what that messagecan mean for you.
Where in Oracle reading eachdeck is different to the artist,
(02:04):
so each deck is going to havedifferent cards and different
meanings.
So you can kind of get a pullto what deck you want to use,
but it uses the same kind ofintuitive message.
So as you pull up the cards,kind of putting a picture
together as to what they'retrying to tell you in that
moment, what the cards aremeaning to you in your life,
what the message might be.
So both kind of giving anintuitive message, just
(02:26):
different modes of deliveringthat.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, absolutely.
So how did you kind of get intothis?
You know, because I know, whenwe, you know, talked and I, you
know, quickly thought of you aslike my new best friend, I was
like, oh my gosh, this is socool.
But I've always wondered howdid you kind of get into this
and what kind of drew you to it?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, so I've always been drawn to the spiritual woo.
I did grow up in church, soobviously I have a faith
background, but it alwaysfascinated me and so I was
definitely one who dabbled inhaving other people read my
cards and tarot.
And then I kind of stumbledupon Oracle readings at one of
the events I went to.
And then I was in anotherspiritual shop, probably like a
(03:12):
few months later, and they had awhole side of cards and I was
looking through them and I foundan Oracle deck and it just so
happened.
I picked it up, I really likedit and I was like, okay, I just
want to see what this is and ineach side each deck they have an
explanation.
So the artist usually includesa book that has some information
on what those cards mean.
So you can kind of I startedgiving myself readings, started
(03:34):
checking in with myself, andthen it kind of grew to giving
that for other people and kindof understanding and developing
and giving a full reading withthe Oracle deck.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, I love that.
So I think some people you knowlistening may think that, um,
you know, uh, like that, thissounds so woo and like you're,
you know like you're trying tobe a fortune teller or something
, and you know, uh, I think thatthat is a really bad
misconception because, you know,when I sat down like with you,
(04:03):
I didn't know what to expect,but you were so spot on with
this stuff, but you weren'ttrying to tell me like, oh my
gosh, like this magical man isgoing to come into your life and
you know, like all of that,like where I'm like, okay, cool,
I'm already married, thanks,you know, appreciate that.
But instead it was.
(04:30):
You know really a lot of likeyou know here are, you know some
cards from your past and youknow, here's what it means.
Does that, what does that meanto you, you know, and it was
like spot on.
You know, I'd like I was almostin tears just because I was
like, oh my gosh, okay, likethis is great.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, the way I explain it.
You can do a lot with the cards.
You can do past, present,future, mind, body, spirit.
But typically the way I explainit, and not a fortune teller
way is this is a check-inmessage for you and, coming from
a faith-based background, youknow, if you believe in angels
and people that are supportingyou within your journey, I tell
people cards don't tell thefuture.
(04:59):
I'm not going to be able to likepredict what's happening to you
or when the love of your lifeis coming in, at least able to
like predict what's happening toyou or when the love of your
life is coming in.
At least that's not what I dowith my cards.
It is a check-in in that momentand I always remind people you
have free will.
So even though you're pulling afuture card at any moment, you
can make different choices andchanges.
It's just a check-in as to thepath and kind of where you're at
right now and to where that'sgoing.
(05:20):
So when people check in with meI say you know, it's not
fortune telling, I'm not goingto predict the future, there's
nothing to be worried about,like if a bad card comes up,
like there's no bad cards.
This is just a check-in andkind of a message for you to
hear and take and let itresonate with you as to what
that means to you and where youwant to take that message going
forward.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I love that and you know.
I mean, like we've said, youknow multiple times here, like
we both were, you know, raisedin the church and everything.
Now do your friends and familythink that anything that you're
doing now kind of goes against,like your religious?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
background.
My grandfather would be thebiggest one.
He is very Catholic, has God isgood all over his car and every
coat that he has.
So he's definitely asked what Ido when I do these things and I
talk about them and post aboutthem.
And the way I kind of explainit is you know, something
happens to someone, they get inan accident and they come back
(06:18):
unscathed, right, they have noscars, no bruises, no broken
bones, and someone like mygrandfather's like, wow, your
guardian angel is not with youtoday.
God's watching out for you.
I'm like well then, that'sexactly what this is is checking
in with that energy around youand checking in with those that
support you in a spiritual sense, and so it usually helps buffer
(06:41):
that conversation from someonewho's very spiritual to a woo
kind of world.
You're talking about the samething.
You're talking about spirit andyou're talking about people
supporting you and watching outfor you and protection, and
that's the same kind of messagethat you're checking in with
yourself.
It's the same energy.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, I absolutely agree, and I love that you used
that analogy, because I actuallystill remember when I was in
the fourth grade.
But we had one of thoseextended station wagons, so it
(07:27):
had the back seat that folded upand you would look in the back
or you were looking backwardswhenever you were riding.
Anyways, my cousin and I wereboth in the front seat, both
buckled in, of course, becausethat was always a rule in our
house, but we were driving, wewere in the middle of nowhere.
Basically, my dad's left tireblew.
He slammed on the brakes, itlocked, and so then he tried to
(07:50):
get us over to the side of theroad and we're on a turnpike,
and so we hit something, end upsliding on the side, flipping,
rolling, and literally my cousinwho again, you know, again very
, very spiritual Her dad had hadthis feeling before we left.
He prayed for over an hourbefore we left, and then we got
(08:11):
in the car and she said that apiece of glass, so the
windshield should have come intous, but instead it went out and
a piece of glass, though, flewtowards her head.
She turned around and she sawher guardian angel in the back
seat, and then she turned backaround and it was gone.
But somehow we all survived.
Like, we all got out.
We had a dog with us.
The dog was doing like flips,like you know ran out.
(08:35):
Everybody was safe.
We all walked away perfectlyfine, you know.
So, like you know, when you saidthat I was like oh my gosh,
that's such a crazy like thing,because you know that was and I
didn't even know it until Istarted going on this kind of,
you know, spiritual journey, um,you know I didn't realize that
that was kind of my first youknow taste of like the, the woo
(08:58):
world, um, because you know itis kind of a little bit outside
of that traditional, you know,christianity and things like
thinking about your guardianangel and then thinking about,
you know, all the spirit guidesthat are around you and things
like that.
But I really think that youknow mine started during my
divorce.
You know I really just startedfiguring out like kind of who I
(09:21):
was and who I wanted to be andyou know just like ended up
finding, you know, keeping anopen mind, and finding people
you know, like Kathy Heller, whoare all about manifesting, and
I was like what is that?
Like?
That's so crazy, you know.
And so then I've gone into likemeditation and Reiki, and you
(09:42):
know there's an episode on Reikion here as well.
So you know, like I, just Ifind it so fascinating and so
that's why I really wanted toshare it on here, because I
wanted people to know that, likeyou know, even though you were
like one person and you believedone thing, you know, when you
were in your marriage, it's okayto have an open mind, you're
(10:03):
not betraying God.
In fact, all of the teachings,and you know you can obviously
share, like your thoughts onthis as well.
But to me, every person thatI've, you know, listened to that
has to do with meditation ormanifestation or anything like
that.
They always talk about likebeing connected to source.
And they always talk about likebeing connected to source and
(10:24):
they always say that can be Godor the universe, or your angels,
or your spirit guides orwhatever you want to call it.
You can call it whatever youwant, it's all the same.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, so much to say about that, absolutely so.
I mean, for me, I always goback to your connection and
source and people will be like,well, why do you have this
connection?
Why can you read these cards?
And honestly, I tell peopleanyone has that connection.
It's just like strengthening amuscle, the same way you go to a
gym and really opening yourselfto listening and hearing kind
of the messages.
(10:56):
Because we all get that gutfeeling.
We all get this sense of likewhere we should go, what we
should do.
And sometimes it's like assimple as like make a left here
and your brain's like why wouldI go left here?
And it's just this feeling andso anyone has the ability to
open up into that.
So really, when I do like oraclereadings or card pulls or even
getting down into meditation andmanifestation and those things,
(11:17):
it's really just trustingyourself and getting to know
yourself again.
And most times what I tellpeople is I'm just the messenger
.
This message is for you.
I am the deliverer of themessage, but you're going to
know exactly what it's trying totell you and what it means.
And I read cards for people allthe time that I don't know
anything about their life orwhat's going on.
And then you know they'regetting tearful and they're like
(11:37):
I really needed to hear thattoday and usually it's.
You know the message, like youknow what they're trying to say,
what the cards are saying, it'sjust confirmation and sometimes
a nice check in.
And when people get off of likekind of get off track on the
spiritual thing and they kind ofget worried about it.
I always tell people I comefrom a science background.
I did ER, nursing, like scienceis what I do, and so I've told
(12:00):
the story so many times.
But it's so true, like if youare a nurse or you work in
healthcare or anything like that, you can kind of feel when to
do CPR, like you know when thatenergy is gone and you can kind
of feel it in the room andyou're like okay, and then you
can kind of feel it when itcomes back.
And, looking at it from ascience standpoint, I always say
energy can't be created ordestroyed.
So where does it go?
(12:20):
Like there's a whole part ofyou that needs to be listened to
and taken care of.
The same way you go to the gym,the same way you would work out
, the same way you would walk ortake care of your health or
your mental health.
This is the same kind of thingas taking care of your spiritual
health and checking in with you, and it's just something I'm so
passionate to people aboutsharing, because it's just a
whole piece.
That kind of gets lost in theworld of woo where people are
(12:43):
like, oh, this whole side isjust you know, I believe in God
and I go to church and I'm likeI do too, so like let's talk
about it and it's just a wholepiece that you feel so much
better when you get thatconnection back with yourself,
especially depending on whatyou've gone through and if
you've come out of a darkerperiod or a really heavy period
of your life, getting intoconnection with yourself and
your end source and that spiritand that gut instinct you might
(13:07):
have silenced it for decades andyou might have not listened to
it for so long and then when youget back in touch with it, it
is such a refreshing breath ofair to be able to live your life
and it just you feel moreauthentic, you feel much more
connected and to me, it's givenme a lot of peace, along with
all the other things I do inlife.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
So, yeah, no, I love that and I love that you say you
know you're just getting likekind of connected back to like
source into yourself.
Because I think, you know, Ithink a lot of women like myself
included, you know whenever youfirst get married you think, oh
my gosh, I'm going to be likethe perfect wife and that's all
you're focused on.
And then you have children andyou're like, oh my gosh, now I
(13:49):
need to be the perfect mom, likeyou know, I can't be.
You know, I can't be the sexywife for my husband anymore.
I now have to be like the mom,and you know.
So you're kind of like stuck inthose and so you're trying to
battle with yourself to be thebest mom and the best wife, but
you're not also trying to be thebest version of yourself,
(14:09):
because you become this selflessperson just taking care of
everyone else and just makingsure that you're the best for
everyone else.
And I know for me and for a lotof women that I've talked to
that you know, as they gothrough their divorce, they're
like oh my gosh, I had totallyforgotten that.
You know I liked, you know Iliked my eggs this certain way,
(14:30):
because my husband always madethem this way and I just, I just
thought that's what I liked andI forgot that I wanted to be a
CEO of a company one day and Iforgot that I wanted.
You know, I had all these goalsand dreams, and so I think,
really getting connected back toyourself and going on your own
spiritual journey, whatever thatmight look like, whether that
means you get more attached inchurch or you get more attached
(14:53):
in this what we call woo world,and start doing things like
Reiki or like Oracle cardreading or, you know, meditation
, you know, and honestly, for me, I've really gotten so
interested in learning all ofthese other things because for
(15:14):
me, like it makes myspirituality make more sense,
like it makes my upbringing andmy church background make more
sense, which is mind blowing tome.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, absolutely.
I couldn't agree more.
I go to church on Sunday andyou can, you hear the message
and it just, it perfectlyparallels if you're open to it.
So if you are open to reallylistening to both sides of it,
the message is parallelthemselves.
You know, love yourself, love,love each other, you know, find
things that bring you passion.
And when you go to listen inchurch, it's just, it's such a
(15:48):
nice parallel and all thesynchronicities, that kind of
crossover in between the two.
And one of my favorite likeexamples that I always tell
people when they, when we talkabout you know, forgetting
you're this kind of person andtrying to be everything to
everybody else.
It was so powerful from, like,the ideology or the saying that
(16:09):
you can't pour from an empty cup.
And if you think of a cup withall these holes in them and
you're constantly leaking outall of your energy, then you
just always feel depleted andyou always don't feel full.
But if you fill that same cupand you fix those holes and you
really get back to center andkind of check in with yourself,
that cup overflows and you justnaturally become, you know so
much more fulfilled and beingthe best mom and trying to do
all of these things, if you wantto be a CEO or if you want to
(16:31):
do, you know, change the world.
If you have a full cup and youkind of fix all the places, your
energy is leaking out of you,it, it pours over in abundance
and it just leaks intoeverything in your life and it
just feels so much more freeingand so much less stressful for
you to just first fill your cupand let it pour out to everybody
around you.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, I absolutely agree and I've used that analogy
so many times with people.
I'm just like you can't givefrom an empty cup.
You know and it's definitely areminder that I have to remind
myself a lot too this hustleculture where we have to just
(17:18):
hustle and make everythinghappen.
And you know like we have tocontrol it all.
And you know, again, goingthrough this whole spiritual you
know journey and like just this, you know entire like divorce
journey, like I've reallylearned that I'm a recovering
people pleaser and a recoveringcontrol freak and that the more
that you try to control, thelike less things actually work
(17:39):
out for you and you just staystagnant.
And so you know, openingyourself up, trusting God, the
universe, angels, whoever youwant to trust, whoever you want
to be connected to, you know,like by doing that, your life is
just going to changeexponentially.
And you know, like by doingthat, your life is just going to
change exponentially.
And you know that's where.
(18:00):
That's where big things happenand that's, you know, if we can
all stay in that place ofcuriosity and that place of love
, that's how we're going to makethis world, you know, a better
place is just by spreading thelove.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, and that's, and that's why I preach so much
about you know, understandingspirituality, let that being a
part of your journey, becausewhen you feel that depleted in
this hustle culture of push,push, push, like you don't move
the needle, when you feeldepleted, like you can push
through it, but the product thatyou're going to have at the end
of that is going to be it'sgoing to take you 10 times
(18:32):
longer and so much more energythan if you had just rested for
a minute and then really focusedon it.
The speed that you wouldcomplete that and the product
and the end result that you'regoing to have is going to be so
much more produced and so muchbetter because you have the
energy to do it.
And I think we as women, we getstuck in kind of a men's culture
(18:53):
of go, go, go and like theirentire rhythm is different than
ours and we have ebbs and flowswhere sometimes you need even
just an evening to yourself andthen we feel guilty for that and
just being able to check inwith yourself and really
understand what your body andyour mind and your spirit is
telling you of like, hey, we'rekind of going zero to 100 the
past nine days.
(19:13):
Maybe we should just take abreak today.
And then you feel guiltybecause you're like no, I have
all these things on my to dolist.
It's so important to just startto listen to yourself Again.
We've shushed it for so longbecause all these people are
telling us go, go, go and hustle, hustle, hustle, and you can't
get anywhere if you're notworking 190 hour weeks, which to
get somewhere, takes a lot ofwork.
But you also have to trustyourself and you also have to
(19:35):
take that time to get there andreally recover sometimes from
pushing so hard.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, that is so true .
And that's such a greatreminder because I still, to
this day, struggle with that,like if I, if my body is like,
oh my gosh, I just need like ahalf hour nap, and I know, like
my logical brain knows that if Itake a half hour nap, I am
going to wake up and I'm goingto have all the energy and I'm
going to be able to do all thethings.
(20:02):
But if I just push through, Imay get half of what I need to
get done, but I'm not going to.
But then, whenever I lay down,I feel guilty, like, oh my gosh,
I'm wasting my day.
I should be up doing stuff, andyou know.
And so I've really had to justcontinue to like push through
that and be like, no, no, Sarah,it's okay, you can take a
(20:22):
little nap and the world isn'tgoing to end and you can get up
and you can.
You're going to be so muchbetter off.
And you know, now I'm like,okay, I got this, you know.
But yeah, it's definitely justthat, that masculine energy that
you know, that hustle culturethat we've all been, you know,
so like just covered in and justwe've been raised in, and so I
(20:44):
love that we have people, youknow, like you, that are out
there, you know, reminding us ofthat feminine energy and
reminding us of, like thatspirituality, and you know,
staying connected to source,because that's that's what
you're doing with your work, andI love it.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, I mean that's part of the Wu side is
understanding there's bothfeminine and masculine and you
have to balance both.
If you're too hard one way orthe other, you're going to feel
out of balance, and bringingthat back into center really
will change the game.
Not only for your business, butbeing a mom, being a wife,
being a parent, being whateveryou want to be being a CEO, you
(21:21):
need both energies.
And if you're too far in one orthe other and too heavy into
one, you're going to feel offbalance.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, again, I reallyappreciate you taking time and,
you know, just kind of walkingus through.
You know your spiritualitycoupled with your, you know with
your woo side.
So I appreciate that and I lovethat you and I connected over
that because you know, like Isaid, like I just think that I
(21:51):
think that a lot of people getit confused and they think that
one is witchcraft and one is Godand that both are wrong because
it's all being connected tosomething, being connected to
source.
I mean, I've even talked withone of my best friends is a
minister.
My sister's a minister.
(22:12):
I've talked to both of themabout this and they're like,
absolutely, this is such a good,you know, like your spiritual
journey, that you're on themeditation, the Reiki, all of
that stuff.
You know I'm interested in theKabbalah, like I just I think
you know it's all about thegreater good and you know, in
talking to them they're like,yeah, it's great to know what
else is out there and you knowto believe in different things
(22:35):
and it is going to strengthenyour spirituality.
So you know that to me was hugetoo, because both of them are
people that would tell me like,nope, you are batshit crazy If
they thought that I was batshitcrazy or if I was going down the
wrong path.
So you know, I trust thatwhenever you know, even
ministers are telling me likethis is okay, this is not, it's
(22:57):
not witchcraft, it's.
You know, it's really youconnecting back with God and,
however that looks, however youknow you want to call it,
everyone needs to be connectedto source.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Absolutely.
Yeah, I always urge people justopen your mind to the
possibility of what if, and bothcan be true.
You don't have to let go ofyour faith and your belief in
faith to understand and want tolearn that there might other be
good things that you can do foryour spirit and yourself.
So both can be true if you justopen your mind and allow
yourself to be curious, insteadof passing judgment the minute
(23:31):
you hear something.
It's wild what you might likeand what you might add into your
own life and your own routine.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, I love it.
Well, I would love to continueto share, like you know, you and
your message.
So if somebody was interestedin getting a reading from you,
you know, or even discussingthis more, what would be the
best way for them to get aholdof you?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I do most of my marketing through Instagram, so
my Instagram isrevivalproject614.
Again, that's all based offenergy and CPR and kind of
bringing back energy into theworld.
So revivalproject614, it is thesame handle for a email.
So if you're not an Instagramperson, you're not a social
media person.
You can always email me atrevivalproject614, gmailcom and,
(24:18):
yeah, from there I do Oraclereadings.
We can do that via Zoom.
I also am certified in lifecoaching.
So all the exciting things tokind of help people guide
themselves through this exciting, exciting journey.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah, I love that and I'll put all those links in the
show notes so that you knowanyone listening can just find
you pretty easily so awesome.
Well, thank you so much againfor sharing your message and,
you know, just sharing your,your light.
I really appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Of course.
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Thank you.
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