January 6, 2025 • 18 mins
What if embracing the complexities of your family's past could transform your present relationships? Join us as we share a deeply personal journey through the emotional maze of growing up with a homosexual father during the silence of the early 90s. By recounting the challenges faced by our family, including our mother's reliance on therapy to explain the reality of divorce, we explore how these early experiences shaped a tendency to avoid difficult conversations. Yet, the narrative doesn't stop there; it's about breaking free from this cycle. Discover how a commitment to openness and honesty with our own children is gradually dismantling the barriers of silence and stigma.
Travel becomes an unexpected lifeline, offering a sense of mental and spiritual freedom that carries us beyond the emotional scars of separation. Reflect on the transformative power of new experiences as a healing balm for familial wounds, and consider the potential of travel to foster stronger, more open bonds. Through heartfelt anecdotes, we invite you to look at travel not just as a getaway, but as an enriching alternative to the costs of emotional turmoil. This episode offers a fresh perspective on acceptance and the liberating impact of openness, urging you to reconsider how you navigate relationships and family dynamics.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You are listening to, travel is Cheaper than Divorce.
This podcast for all those whomay be struggling with their
spouse or their children and therelationship with them.
We help give you tips andtricks by using travel as the
means to be able to help yourrelationships with your family.
I will provide those tricks andother ways to help travel with
(00:29):
little or no cost.
So let's get into it.
My dad is a homosexual.
When my dad came out back inthe early 90s it was a different
time for those who werehomosexual, not a lot of
(00:52):
understanding going on, frankly.
So not only was I a child ofdivorce which wasn't as common
as it is today and I'm hopingthrough what I say and what
others say will help that thedivorce rate does not increase
anymore but hopefully goesbackwards but back then divorce
(01:13):
wasn't common and definitely,definitely having a homosexual
father was very abnormal andwasn't spoken about.
I lived in a world where thatkind of I don't know secret the
reason for my parents' divorcewas not spoken about.
(01:34):
I felt like when I was a child,into my teenage years, into
high school and other times,that I really couldn't tell
anybody.
In a sense I had to hide byomission, not by commission.
I didn't necessarily try tohide, but I didn't really want
(01:56):
to say anything about it either.
I made excuses.
I made excuses.
I didn't want to tell them.
I you know what, if I were tobe completely honest, I had a
hard time accepting that.
I had a hard time acceptingwhat this whole thing was about,
because not only does that makehim different, especially back
(02:22):
then, but this made me different.
It made me much different, Ifelt, than other people who were
around me, other peers.
So you see other families whoare around you, who are together
.
You stayed at your friend'shouse whose parents had never
(02:42):
divorced and seemed like theyloved each other.
Because of where I lived at thetime, you didn't see a lot of
homosexual activity aroundWasn't prevalent.
My dad, however, stayed inSouthern California, where is,
at that point, a little moreprevalent than it certainly was
in Northern Utah.
You know what's interestingactually I never realized this
(03:06):
until this very moment thatbecause I hid it so much when I
was a child, I never hid it frommy children, never.
From the very beginning to all,my children know that their
grandfather is a homosexual andthey don't hide it from their
friends like I did.
And there's probably adifference between being a
(03:29):
grandchild of a homosexual thana son of one.
It just felt like I wasdifferent.
You know, at that time therewere also I mean this also kind
of just added to it.
I I mean these studies havebeen debunked over and over
again, so I hate to bring themup, but it's what my lived
experience was.
(03:50):
But around the same time therewere studies coming out that
they said that they linkedsomehow homosexuality, some sort
of genetic thing, in otherwords that could happen to me,
as if it was some sort of adisease which again could make
somebody like me and did makesomebody like me say oh, this is
(04:12):
, this is something you know, Idon't know, it's just.
Let's just say the 90s, the,you know, early 90s, late 90s,
whatever the 90s were adifferent time for people who
came out of the closet and itwas much different for children
(04:32):
of those same people as well.
My mother had a hard time withthis.
Obviously, at the time that myparents got divorced, there was
four kids in the house.
She had had two miscarriages.
So you know, if you count thosetwo, there had been six, but
(04:53):
two of them were never born,obviously because of the
miscarriages, and she had a hardtime accepting this fact.
So much so, so much so, thisfact, so much so, so much so my
(05:15):
mother has a hard time,confrontation even with her own
children, to the point where,when my parents were obviously
getting a divorce, they gatheredus all into the bedroom and she
told, they told us, my mom anddad told us that they are being
separated and that we are movingto northern Utah.
They didn't use the worddivorce.
I don't know, maybe that'snormal, I don't know, this is
(05:38):
just my lived experience.
Then we moved to northern Utahand then my mom started going to
a therapist.
When she went to a therapist,she still could not tell us what
was really going on here.
Now I was 11, 12 years old,somewhere in that area, my mom
(06:01):
brought us to the therapist, hertherapist, for the sole purpose
to have the therapist not her,but the therapist tell me and
all the rest of the siblings,everybody who was there, tell us
all that they were getting adivorce.
She still couldn't tell us.
(06:22):
And then the the she couldn't,you know, she obviously could
not tell us.
And then the the she couldn't,you know, she obviously could
not tell us that he was ahomosexual.
So the therapist did that too.
She completely avoided theentire thing.
To this day it kind of makes melaugh now.
But, um, but being the kid thatI was only 11, 12 years old, not
(06:42):
knowing a lot about thesethings in my mind I didn't say
it out loud, but in my mind Iwas like what's a homosexual?
The foggiest idea what that wasat the time.
Honestly, I can't even rememberhow I figured it out.
It's not like there was Googleback then.
You know, flip through aencyclopedia to find homosexual.
(07:02):
I don't know.
I honestly don't know where Ifound out.
I did, obviously, because whenI found out again, as I said
earlier, I felt like I wasdifferent.
And in retrospect, as I'mtalking about this memory of
mine, I can say that my momavoiding telling us is probably
(07:23):
another reason why I, for a lotof our marriage, avoided tough
things too.
Avoided emotion, avoidedsubjects that are too difficult
to talk about.
I try not to do that anymore.
I try to be open and honestwith everybody, and I'm being
open and honest with everybodyand I'm being open and honest
(07:45):
with everybody on this podcast.
I've told things on thispodcast and other places that I
would never have really toldother people, because I want you
to understand that you're notalone out there.
There are probably people withinthe sound of my voice who have
experienced the exact same thing.
They had a homosexual fatherand if they lived in a
conservative spot in America,maybe they felt shamed for even
(08:09):
saying it.
I want to make somethingabundantly clear I love my dad.
I have a pretty gosh dang goodrelationship with my dad, even
to this point.
He's made mistakes in his life.
But who hasn't this?
All, all of all of this, this,this, this time where I felt
(08:30):
different and honestly, I canhonestly say at this point in my
life I probably still feeldifferent, because you know,
it's not a thing that is.
I mean it's.
It's maybe more prevalent now.
I don't know.
It seems like that because youknow, I don't know this for sure
, so take it for what it's worth, it seems.
My observation is, as it's beenmore I don't know if the word
(08:53):
accepted is a proper word, butaccepted in society more that
less people are having childrenand then coming out of the
closet, which is what my dad did.
I don't know that for sure.
It may be just my observation,as it is, that maybe there's not
so many divorcees whose dadsare homosexual that they can't.
(09:15):
They have to hide it too.
I think it's just too.
I think it's more accepted nowthat they don't have to do that
anymore.
But that's not how it was forme.
That was not my experience, andI know there were some people
within the sound of my voicethat this is their experience
too.
And it was hard.
My dad was, from the verybeginning, was was there for me.
He called me and my siblingsonce a week, my siblings once a
(09:39):
week.
He he flew in, he traveled asmuch as he could to see us in,
uh, in, um, our choir concertsor band concerts or whatever
that we were doingextracurricular things at school
.
I mean that that's that, um Iam grateful for to this point
(10:01):
and see how that, how that thatpart of travel actually affected
my life.
Just him traveling like thataffected my life.
I'll say this about my dadBecause I didn't shun him,
because I didn't put him off,because I didn't put him in a
corner and because he didn't dothe same to me after the divorce
.
I will say that he's one of thepeople in my life who I feel
(10:22):
like is genuinely loves me morethan a lot of people who
supposedly love me.
But you know, in a way I'mgrateful for all that Because it
makes me think differentlyabout things.
It makes me see the worlddifferently than I would
otherwise.
(10:42):
It helped me take something assimple as travel and find
something different, if you will, about it, how to make it work.
It makes me be able to workwith clients, in my previous
practice and otherwise, who arealso homosexual, and to me that
they're just all people.
They're just all people.
(11:03):
I think people are genuinelygood, genuinely and generally
good people.
Divorce is a terrible thing forchildren, no matter the reason.
I can understand the reason,left, right and backwards.
It doesn't mean it makes it anyeasier on the child.
(11:26):
You may say to yourself there'sabsolutely.
I mean.
The situation with my father, Ibelieve, is a different thing
than what most people go through.
I have observed and seen peopleget divorced for the most
selfish of reasons I want to dowhat I want.
When I want to do.
(11:46):
It Is the typical, I would saytypical reason.
And then this woman or this mangets in my way or these
children get in my way of what Iwant, I, I, I, I, I.
If your sentences continuallystart with I in a marriage, why
(12:09):
don't you start your sentenceswith you what do you want?
How are you feeling?
Not what I feel, what do I want?
It's such a key to marriage.
It's one of the things that mywife literally had to teach me.
I remember this one day, okay.
(12:29):
So we had a pretty nasty fight.
We had a pretty nasty fight andafter this nasty fight, I wrote
her an apology letter.
She took the apology letter.
She took a pen and circled.
Every single time I said theword I.
I'm sorry.
(12:49):
I'm sorry.
You don't see what I feel.
I feel horrible.
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Whole bunch of I's.
She said don't you see how thisentire apology letter is about
you?
It's one of those blow yourmind moments for me.
I didn't say I said I'm sorrythat I made you feel this way.
(13:13):
How about you rephrase that andsay you are feeling awful and I
am the one that did that to you.
What do you need?
Selfishness is such a huge partof why marriages break up.
I had to hide.
I had to hide so many things inmy life.
(13:36):
It feels like, and you knowwhat happens.
This is my observation in mylife what happens when you hide
things?
You're usually hiding thembecause of shame, and then that
shame gets bigger.
And if you're hiding and hidingand hiding, that shame gets in
the way of everything in yourlife.
You have to let it go.
You have to let it go I'm notsaying you have to do it in a
(14:00):
medium like this.
There was a study done years agothat hasn't been refuted in
this case, that those who arechildren of divorce are the ones
that have the hardest problemwith things like not the hardest
problem, but certainly theyhave problems with things like
sexual addiction, pornography,other habits that are tied to
(14:22):
sex.
I can't remember why, but whatthey conclude is the reason why.
But that's what they found outin the study, in this, and I
remember reading that articleone day.
This is when I was about I wantto say it was about 20 years
old, so I'm way past myadolescence at this point.
This is when I realized that.
(14:43):
Okay, so some of this has to dowith that, although I can't
blame everything in my life onsomething that happened so long
ago, but I can certainly seewhere it came from.
That's more of my point.
It's not to excuse my behaviorso much as to say I can see
where it came from, because inlater in life, even early in our
marriage and even sometimes inthe midsize of my marriage
(15:06):
anyways, in various points ofour marriage, I had been
addicted to pornography.
And that all comes from a place, I believe, where this whole
thing started with the divorce.
There's other things also, andI used to hide that out of shame
(15:26):
.
I'm not going to do thatanymore.
All of these things have shapedme, whether good or bad, and so
was me.
Hiding my dad's homosexualityand hiding divorce even, and
hiding the reason for divorcewas all a play on trying to
protect myself and my heart, andthen I took that into my
(15:51):
marriage in a lot of ways too.
So don't be selfish, don't hide, don't have the shame.
If you're going through thingsthat are like pornography
addiction and you don't want totell anybody, tell somebody I
don't care who it is.
Tell somebody.
Try.
If it's an addiction that youcan't and you want to get rid of
it, then you know what?
Find somebody to help you,because you think it isn't
(16:17):
costing you a lot to do that,but it will turn you into more
and more of a selfish person.
That's my observation.
It turns you into more of aselfish person because it's more
about getting what you needthan it is looking at others.
And in fact, pornography, byits own thing, is to objectify
or to show that this personisn't a real person.
(16:37):
So even more of a selfish thing.
It's a very expensive habitbecause you will eventually find
yourself alone.
So get away from all this stuff,you know.
Get away from you by letting itcome out.
Don't hide things.
(16:59):
Let them free, be free.
That's why I look at travel asa way for me to be free.
What I'm saying now helps mementally and spiritually be free
, because what I know for sure,what I know for sure, is that
what divorce does to a child isan experience that I've had,
(17:27):
many, many people have had, andit's not just the money, it's
not just the dollar figures, butI'll tell you one thing that
travel is definitely cheaperthan divorce.
But I'll tell you one thingthat travel is definitely
cheaper than divorce.
You have been listening toTravel is Cheaper Than Divorce
with David Packer.
Please let us know what youthink about this episode or any
other comments you might have,by visiting our website at
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(17:51):
Please join us for our nextepisode, where we continue to
explore how travel can helpbring your family together.
You are listening to, travel is Cheaper than Divorce.
This podcast for all those whomay be struggling with their
spouse or their children and therelationship with them.
We help give you tips andtricks by using travel as the
means to be able to help yourrelationships with your family.
I will provide those tricks andother ways to help travel with
(00:29):
little or no cost.
So let's get into it.
My dad is a homosexual.
When my dad came out back inthe early 90s it was a different
time for those who werehomosexual, not a lot of
(00:52):
understanding going on, frankly.
So not only was I a child ofdivorce which wasn't as common
as it is today and I'm hopingthrough what I say and what
others say will help that thedivorce rate does not increase
anymore but hopefully goesbackwards but back then divorce
(01:13):
wasn't common and definitely,definitely having a homosexual
father was very abnormal andwasn't spoken about.
I lived in a world where thatkind of I don't know secret the
reason for my parents' divorcewas not spoken about.
(01:34):
I felt like when I was a child,into my teenage years, into
high school and other times,that I really couldn't tell
anybody.
In a sense I had to hide byomission, not by commission.
I didn't necessarily try tohide, but I didn't really want
(01:56):
to say anything about it either.
I made excuses.
I made excuses.
I didn't want to tell them.
I you know what, if I were tobe completely honest, I had a
hard time accepting that.
I had a hard time acceptingwhat this whole thing was about,
because not only does that makehim different, especially back
(02:22):
then, but this made me different.
It made me much different, Ifelt, than other people who were
around me, other peers.
So you see other families whoare around you, who are together
.
You stayed at your friend'shouse whose parents had never
(02:42):
divorced and seemed like theyloved each other.
Because of where I lived at thetime, you didn't see a lot of
homosexual activity aroundWasn't prevalent.
My dad, however, stayed inSouthern California, where is,
at that point, a little moreprevalent than it certainly was
in Northern Utah.
You know what's interestingactually I never realized this
(03:06):
until this very moment thatbecause I hid it so much when I
was a child, I never hid it frommy children, never.
From the very beginning to all,my children know that their
grandfather is a homosexual andthey don't hide it from their
friends like I did.
And there's probably adifference between being a
(03:29):
grandchild of a homosexual thana son of one.
It just felt like I wasdifferent.
You know, at that time therewere also I mean this also kind
of just added to it.
I I mean these studies havebeen debunked over and over
again, so I hate to bring themup, but it's what my lived
experience was.
(03:50):
But around the same time therewere studies coming out that
they said that they linkedsomehow homosexuality, some sort
of genetic thing, in otherwords that could happen to me,
as if it was some sort of adisease which again could make
somebody like me and did makesomebody like me say oh, this is
(04:12):
, this is something you know, Idon't know, it's just.
Let's just say the 90s, the,you know, early 90s, late 90s,
whatever the 90s were adifferent time for people who
came out of the closet and itwas much different for children
(04:32):
of those same people as well.
My mother had a hard time withthis.
Obviously, at the time that myparents got divorced, there was
four kids in the house.
She had had two miscarriages.
So you know, if you count thosetwo, there had been six, but
(04:53):
two of them were never born,obviously because of the
miscarriages, and she had a hardtime accepting this fact.
So much so, so much so, thisfact, so much so, so much so my
(05:15):
mother has a hard time,confrontation even with her own
children, to the point where,when my parents were obviously
getting a divorce, they gatheredus all into the bedroom and she
told, they told us, my mom anddad told us that they are being
separated and that we are movingto northern Utah.
They didn't use the worddivorce.
I don't know, maybe that'snormal, I don't know, this is
(05:38):
just my lived experience.
Then we moved to northern Utahand then my mom started going to
a therapist.
When she went to a therapist,she still could not tell us what
was really going on here.
Now I was 11, 12 years old,somewhere in that area, my mom
(06:01):
brought us to the therapist, hertherapist, for the sole purpose
to have the therapist not her,but the therapist tell me and
all the rest of the siblings,everybody who was there, tell us
all that they were getting adivorce.
She still couldn't tell us.
(06:22):
And then the the she couldn't,you know, she obviously could
not tell us.
And then the the she couldn't,you know, she obviously could
not tell us that he was ahomosexual.
So the therapist did that too.
She completely avoided theentire thing.
To this day it kind of makes melaugh now.
But, um, but being the kid thatI was only 11, 12 years old, not
(06:42):
knowing a lot about thesethings in my mind I didn't say
it out loud, but in my mind Iwas like what's a homosexual?
The foggiest idea what that wasat the time.
Honestly, I can't even rememberhow I figured it out.
It's not like there was Googleback then.
You know, flip through aencyclopedia to find homosexual.
(07:02):
I don't know.
I honestly don't know where Ifound out.
I did, obviously, because whenI found out again, as I said
earlier, I felt like I wasdifferent.
And in retrospect, as I'mtalking about this memory of
mine, I can say that my momavoiding telling us is probably
(07:23):
another reason why I, for a lotof our marriage, avoided tough
things too.
Avoided emotion, avoidedsubjects that are too difficult
to talk about.
I try not to do that anymore.
I try to be open and honestwith everybody, and I'm being
open and honest with everybodyand I'm being open and honest
(07:45):
with everybody on this podcast.
I've told things on thispodcast and other places that I
would never have really toldother people, because I want you
to understand that you're notalone out there.
There are probably people withinthe sound of my voice who have
experienced the exact same thing.
They had a homosexual fatherand if they lived in a
conservative spot in America,maybe they felt shamed for even
(08:09):
saying it.
I want to make somethingabundantly clear I love my dad.
I have a pretty gosh dang goodrelationship with my dad, even
to this point.
He's made mistakes in his life.
But who hasn't this?
All, all of all of this, this,this, this time where I felt
(08:30):
different and honestly, I canhonestly say at this point in my
life I probably still feeldifferent, because you know,
it's not a thing that is.
I mean it's.
It's maybe more prevalent now.
I don't know.
It seems like that because youknow, I don't know this for sure
, so take it for what it's worth, it seems.
My observation is, as it's beenmore I don't know if the word
(08:53):
accepted is a proper word, butaccepted in society more that
less people are having childrenand then coming out of the
closet, which is what my dad did.
I don't know that for sure.
It may be just my observation,as it is, that maybe there's not
so many divorcees whose dadsare homosexual that they can't.
(09:15):
They have to hide it too.
I think it's just too.
I think it's more accepted nowthat they don't have to do that
anymore.
But that's not how it was forme.
That was not my experience, andI know there were some people
within the sound of my voicethat this is their experience
too.
And it was hard.
My dad was, from the verybeginning, was was there for me.
He called me and my siblingsonce a week, my siblings once a
(09:39):
week.
He he flew in, he traveled asmuch as he could to see us in,
uh, in, um, our choir concertsor band concerts or whatever
that we were doingextracurricular things at school
.
I mean that that's that, um Iam grateful for to this point
(10:01):
and see how that, how that thatpart of travel actually affected
my life.
Just him traveling like thataffected my life.
I'll say this about my dadBecause I didn't shun him,
because I didn't put him off,because I didn't put him in a
corner and because he didn't dothe same to me after the divorce
.
I will say that he's one of thepeople in my life who I feel
(10:22):
like is genuinely loves me morethan a lot of people who
supposedly love me.
But you know, in a way I'mgrateful for all that Because it
makes me think differentlyabout things.
It makes me see the worlddifferently than I would
otherwise.
(10:42):
It helped me take something assimple as travel and find
something different, if you will, about it, how to make it work.
It makes me be able to workwith clients, in my previous
practice and otherwise, who arealso homosexual, and to me that
they're just all people.
They're just all people.
(11:03):
I think people are genuinelygood, genuinely and generally
good people.
Divorce is a terrible thing forchildren, no matter the reason.
I can understand the reason,left, right and backwards.
It doesn't mean it makes it anyeasier on the child.
(11:26):
You may say to yourself there'sabsolutely.
I mean.
The situation with my father, Ibelieve, is a different thing
than what most people go through.
I have observed and seen peopleget divorced for the most
selfish of reasons I want to dowhat I want.
When I want to do.
(11:46):
It Is the typical, I would saytypical reason.
And then this woman or this mangets in my way or these
children get in my way of what Iwant, I, I, I, I, I.
If your sentences continuallystart with I in a marriage, why
(12:09):
don't you start your sentenceswith you what do you want?
How are you feeling?
Not what I feel, what do I want?
It's such a key to marriage.
It's one of the things that mywife literally had to teach me.
I remember this one day, okay.
(12:29):
So we had a pretty nasty fight.
We had a pretty nasty fight andafter this nasty fight, I wrote
her an apology letter.
She took the apology letter.
She took a pen and circled.
Every single time I said theword I.
I'm sorry.
(12:49):
I'm sorry.
You don't see what I feel.
I feel horrible.
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Whole bunch of I's.
She said don't you see how thisentire apology letter is about
you?
It's one of those blow yourmind moments for me.
I didn't say I said I'm sorrythat I made you feel this way.
(13:13):
How about you rephrase that andsay you are feeling awful and I
am the one that did that to you.
What do you need?
Selfishness is such a huge partof why marriages break up.
I had to hide.
I had to hide so many things inmy life.
(13:36):
It feels like, and you knowwhat happens.
This is my observation in mylife what happens when you hide
things?
You're usually hiding thembecause of shame, and then that
shame gets bigger.
And if you're hiding and hidingand hiding, that shame gets in
the way of everything in yourlife.
You have to let it go.
You have to let it go I'm notsaying you have to do it in a
(14:00):
medium like this.
There was a study done years agothat hasn't been refuted in
this case, that those who arechildren of divorce are the ones
that have the hardest problemwith things like not the hardest
problem, but certainly theyhave problems with things like
sexual addiction, pornography,other habits that are tied to
(14:22):
sex.
I can't remember why, but whatthey conclude is the reason why.
But that's what they found outin the study, in this, and I
remember reading that articleone day.
This is when I was about I wantto say it was about 20 years
old, so I'm way past myadolescence at this point.
This is when I realized that.
(14:43):
Okay, so some of this has to dowith that, although I can't
blame everything in my life onsomething that happened so long
ago, but I can certainly seewhere it came from.
That's more of my point.
It's not to excuse my behaviorso much as to say I can see
where it came from, because inlater in life, even early in our
marriage and even sometimes inthe midsize of my marriage
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anyways, in various points ofour marriage, I had been
addicted to pornography.
And that all comes from a place, I believe, where this whole
thing started with the divorce.
There's other things also, andI used to hide that out of shame
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.
I'm not going to do thatanymore.
All of these things have shapedme, whether good or bad, and so
was me.
Hiding my dad's homosexualityand hiding divorce even, and
hiding the reason for divorcewas all a play on trying to
protect myself and my heart, andthen I took that into my
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marriage in a lot of ways too.
So don't be selfish, don't hide, don't have the shame.
If you're going through thingsthat are like pornography
addiction and you don't want totell anybody, tell somebody I
don't care who it is.
Tell somebody.
Try.
If it's an addiction that youcan't and you want to get rid of
it, then you know what?
Find somebody to help you,because you think it isn't
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costing you a lot to do that,but it will turn you into more
and more of a selfish person.
That's my observation.
It turns you into more of aselfish person because it's more
about getting what you needthan it is looking at others.
And in fact, pornography, byits own thing, is to objectify
or to show that this personisn't a real person.
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So even more of a selfish thing.
It's a very expensive habitbecause you will eventually find
yourself alone.
So get away from all this stuff,you know.
Get away from you by letting itcome out.
Don't hide things.
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Let them free, be free.
That's why I look at travel asa way for me to be free.
What I'm saying now helps mementally and spiritually be free
, because what I know for sure,what I know for sure, is that
what divorce does to a child isan experience that I've had,
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many, many people have had, andit's not just the money, it's
not just the dollar figures, butI'll tell you one thing that
travel is definitely cheaperthan divorce.
But I'll tell you one thingthat travel is definitely
cheaper than divorce.
You have been listening toTravel is Cheaper Than Divorce
with David Packer.
Please let us know what youthink about this episode or any
other comments you might have,by visiting our website at
wwwtravelpointdadcom.
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Please join us for our nextepisode, where we continue to
explore how travel can helpbring your family together.
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