December 16, 2024 • 19 mins
What if the challenges we face in travel could guide us through life's toughest moments, offering unexpected rewards? Join us as we explore this intriguing idea, drawing parallels between the anxieties of navigating airports and the discomforts of marriage or career risks. With personal stories, like a tense layover in Guatemala, we reflect on how embracing discomfort can lead to enriching experiences. Whether it's the culture shock of moving from California's sunny Mojave Desert to Utah's harsh winters, or discovering diverse cultures, we uncover how stepping outside our comfort zones can transform our lives.
In this episode, I dig into the power of open communication and understanding, both in personal relationships and broader societal interactions. We challenge assumptions that hinder connection, encouraging listeners to find common ground and alleviate fears through resources like travel guides and apps. By using travel as a metaphor, I highlight the benefits of taking calculated risks in communication and life, and share practical tips for traveling with ease. Embrace a relaxed approach to rekindling relationships and welcome new experiences that enrich our perspectives and connections.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You are listening to.
Travel is Cheaper than Divorce.
This podcast for all those whomay be struggling with their
spouse or their children and therelationship with them.
We help give you tips andtricks by using travel as the
means to be able to help yourrelationships with your family.
I'll provide those tricks andother ways to help travel with
(00:29):
little or no cost.
So let's get into it Everybody.
Just relax, just chill for asecond, just calm down, calm
down down.
Everything is going to be okay.
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I say this because you know I'vetraveled a lot and still every
time I travel there's a pointwhere you're just gonna feel
uncomfortable.
I I mean for me, even with myTSA pre-check, I slide through
security pretty well, prettyquickly, almost every time less
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than five minutes.
It doesn't mean that it doesn'tmake me nervous.
Every time I go through TSA.
Every time I go through TSA, Ifeel a bit uncomfortable.
It's not a comfortable feeling.
And then you have to get out ofthe airport.
You got to find your way tobaggage claim If you check a bag
.
I never check a bag because Ihate baggage claim.
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But I've been on vacations 10day vacations I don't check a
bag still, because I don't likeit.
I hate it actually.
Anyway, but yeah, it's, it canbe uncomfortable.
It can be completelyuncomfortable to travel to a new
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place and try to find your wayaround and, frankly, some people
have anxiety when they travel.
You know, I once went to anopen-air airport.
Open-air airport, all thecheck-ins were outdoors,
outdoors of all places.
It was a tropical place, it wasin gosh, I can't remember, it
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was one of the Hawaiian islands,I think it might have been
Kauai.
Anyway, it's, you know, it'shard to navigate sometimes
travel and you can have a lot ofanxiety around it.
I remember traveling to CostaRica.
Costa Rica really made menervous as I was traveling there
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.
In fact, we had a layover inguatemala and every time we went
to it, okay, so we had to gothrough security in guatemala.
Now, keep in mind, we were justtransferring flights, we went
from one flight to another.
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We it's not like we exited theairport and came back in, we
were just on a layover and itdidn't matter.
We had to go through securitythree times, three separate
times in Guatemala, and everytime you went to a different
part of the airport, there werearmed policemen at every single
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terminal and we had to, I think,go through two of those things.
They weren't necessarilycheckpoints I would call them
that, though but they asked youin a language I did not
understand, obviously in Spanish.
They were asking me where wewere going, and we had to, and I
guess I knew enough Spanish toknow that that's what.
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I just held up my boarding passand they said okay, go ahead
and go through Armed guards,like with hefty stuff.
That's one that makes somebodynervous, right?
Anyways, eventually got on ourplane from Guatemala to Costa
Rica, and the rest is the restof it.
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But see, that's the thing.
The rest of it was the excitingpart.
It takes a little bit ofnervousness, it makes you a
little bit uncomfortable to getto somewhere beautiful.
I mean, we could even use thatsame analogy for almost anything
in life marriage, or raisingchildren, or even taking a risk
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for your business or taking arisk in your career A little bit
of uncomfortableness to getsomewhere beautiful.
So relax.
When you travel, there's goingto be some anxiety.
There's always going to be someanxiety.
Just relax, you will make itthrough it, and you'll actually
feel better getting to thedestination.
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Because you're able to make itthrough all that, because once
you're there, you can sit backand say you are in a good place,
no matter where you're at,you're in a good place.
Different people that you'venever seen before.
Sometimes, if you'reinternational, different
cultures or even if you're neverseen before.
Sometimes, if you'reinternational, different
cultures or even if you're notinternational.
Sometimes even in this country,in the United States, you'll
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find different cultures insideeven the US.
You'll know that when you go tothe Hawaiian Islands, for
example, or sometimes in theSouth is a lot different than
the West, and sometimes evenpeople get some culture shock
when they travel from, say, theeast coast to Utah.
This is the fun part aboutthough.
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It's almost like the anxiety isthe fun part about it.
You will love where you go.
You will love where you go.
I have not traveled to one place, one place that I didn't like,
not one.
I didn't particularly like theairport in Guatemala, but I bet
Guatemala is a beautiful country, I don't know, but that was a
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little nerve wracking, but Ididn't travel there, I was just
going through there.
So it was.
Everywhere I've gone, I'veloved.
Everywhere I've gone, I'veloved.
Sometimes it takes some gettingused to.
Lots of fun, though.
Lots of fun.
I'm reminded of a story, in fact, when we moved our family.
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Well, excuse me, not when Imoved our family, pardon me, but
when my family, when my parentsgot divorced, moved from
California to Utah, you don'tbelieve that there was a culture
shock there.
You better believe there was.
It was really uncomfortable.
Now, it wasn't just the culture, it was the weather.
We moved from the Mojave Desertin California.
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If you know anything about theMojave Desert, it's hot there
like hot.
Okay, we moved from hot, reallyhot to the winter.
We moved to the Salt Lake areain northern Utah was one of the
worst winters they had in adecade, so not only did I go to
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a whole new climate, but itkicked my butt.
It kicked my butt Snoweverywhere so bad that even in
Utah they closed down theschools because the snow was so
bad.
In fact, another memory I haveis when we went in to our new
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place, keeping in mind that wemoved from a house to a duplex
after my parents got divorcedand the heater wasn't working
and we moved in in the winterand it was freezing cold.
And I vividly remember thispicture where all four of us
there were four kids in myfamily were huddled up with a
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blanket around us and justshivering, just chattering teeth
, shivering inside of our newhouse.
What an experience.
For the first time, moving to anew place, what an experience.
But see, the thing is, is thatjust like traveling, and you get
used to it over time.
I got used to it.
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I'll say I'll never really gotused to the cold, though.
That's why I moved to extremesouthern Utah, because I don't
like the cold, I don't like thesnow, and I know some people
absolutely love those things.
I do not.
I am not a fan, but otherwise Igot used to the culture.
I got used to the people.
It's actually the people arevery nice, generally speaking.
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It has to be.
Generally speaking.
In utah, and generally speaking,nearly everywhere I've been,
people have been nice, whichbrings me to another point that
I didn't think I was going totalk about.
But there's, this world iscrazy, and we can see all these
people who are doing terriblethings to each other.
Trust me, my wife has beenthrough tons of things that I
would never wish on anybody doneby people to her right, and I
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could easily say that this worldis terrible and it's a terrible
place with terrible people andthe whole thing.
I don't say that, because whatI do know, from from traveling
again this is another thing youlearn is that the majority of
people, I believe, on this earthare good people trying to do
their best.
That's what I believe, and II've gained this knowledge by
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all the places I've been house,just in your state, just in this
one little area.
Then maybe you're like, oh, themajority of the people here are
nice, or the majority of peopleare bad, or whatever.
Get out, get out, go travel,get around and realize that most
of the people out there areactually good people trying to
do their best out there too.
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You know, we're in a pretty,pretty, pretty ruckus.
I'll say, I don't know, prettystrong, I don't know what the
word is right now politicalenvironment where it seems like,
oh, if they're on the otherside, they must be a bad person.
No, they're a good persontrying to do the best they can.
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It's just a terrible way ofthinking.
And that's actually a terribleway of thinking even inside your
own family.
What if you say, well, mywife's always on the wrong, she
just doesn't get it and she'llnever get it?
That's where it gets really badwhen you say things like she'll
never get it or again, he'llnever get it.
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He will never get it.
He'll never get it.
He will never get it.
That's a finality statement.
That's a statement that there'sthe end, and I'm cutting it
right here He'll never get it.
Have you tried traveling withyour spouse and having a
conversation with them?
Have you had a conversationwith them where you just be
quiet and listen?
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Because if you have thoseconversations, then you'll
realize, oh, she or he are justtrying to do the best they can
too, just like you are.
There's just some sort ofmisunderstanding between them.
I can even use the twopolitical parties in this
particular country as an exampleof that.
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It's not the parties, it's thepeople.
And if you talk to a person onthe other quote-unquote, other
side I think we're all Americans, but on the other side and you
just have a conversation withthem without judging them
immediately, what you'll findsometimes is that you guys agree
on more than you disagree.
I didn't think I was going to gohere in this podcast, this
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episode, but a lot of theanxiety around traveling, I'm
telling you, will melt away whenyou realize people are just
people and they're good peopleand they will help you.
But if you're travelingsomewhere you don't know where
you're going, ask somebody.
They're good people.
Yeah, I say this in general.
I know there's bad people,trust me, I know there's bad
people out there.
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I know there are bad people outthere.
But just like my experiencefrom moving from California,
southern California to NorthernUtah, just like that experience
I will tell you that sometimesit's a bit of a shock, but once
you get through the initialshock and it doesn't take long,
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especially when you're travelingbecause you're actually there
to relax but once you getthrough the relax, the initial
shock that could turn into lackof relaxation then you can just
sit back, relax and enjoy, whichis what I was able to do
eventually when we move to Utahfrom Southern California,
northern Utah, from SouthernCalifornia.
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After the divorce, I was neverreally comfortable though to be
honest with you with the divorcething.
Still am not.
That's why a lot of the thingsthat got shaped in my life
because of the divorce.
That's why this podcast exists,because I want to do everything
I can to help you as a man oryou as a woman, but I mostly
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speak to the men.
I really want you to doeverything you can to keep your
family together, because itaffects your family so much to
get a divorce.
So just relax, guys.
Just relax when you're outthere in the world.
There are many travel guides,there are many websites, there's
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many people who write blogs,frankly, on countries.
There's so many differentplaces you can go online that
will help you to navigate,navigate that, that world.
So when you, when you go to thedestination, you have a lot of
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information in hand and thereare some apps, by the way, quite
a few apps, honestly that helpyou with this kind of stuff.
Even the logistics of travelcan make you really nervous,
like where do I check in?
What airport do I go in?
Where do I check in?
What airport do I go in?
How do I check in?
How do I go straight to thegate?
How do I get through security,especially in a foreign country,
and so on and so forth.
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Yeah, that's tough, but all thelogistics stuff.
There are so many apps that youcan download that you can put
all of your itinerary in.
I have one, but it's moregeared towards um points, but
there is a place where I Ibasically take my confirmations
from whatever airline I'm flyingand I forward them on to, uh,
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this app, and they'll just putit into an organized place.
For me it's so easy, it makestraveling so much easier,
because my aim is is for you toget through the really nervous
and kind of the anxiety-drivenpart, to get to the destination
and then to enjoy time with yourfamily and spouse and rekindle
the love that you have for eachother if it was your spouse, and
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then, of course, also with yourfamily.
So, again, as I started thispodcast, this episode, the same
way just relax.
Just relax, you'll get throughit.
There's so many travel tips outthere and there's going to be
even some more on my website,where I talk about sometimes
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some apps that are out therethat can help you with all these
things, because I know thatthere are some people who
honestly don't leave their housebecause of anxiety.
Just take that first step, man.
Just take that first step.
Woman, just take that firststep outside of your door or out
of your city.
Some people will refuse to fly.
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That's fine.
You can get to almost almost.
It's kind of difficultsometimes logistically in this
country, but there's a lot ofplaces you can go by train.
If you limit yourself to train,there's still a lot of
destinations you can go viatrain.
If you are nervous, if you'renervous about flying.
Flying can be nerve wracking,but you do it enough.
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That's another thing.
Again, another thing I couldtell you is that everything will
be okay.
If you fly enough like I havebeen flying a lot of places then
you realize that that littlebump on the airplane is pretty
normal.
That sound coming from theengine is normal, the bump it
feels when they bring out thelanding gear on a Boeing normal.
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All that's pretty normal stuff,stuff.
Now, a door flying off a Boeing, that's not really a thing,
that's not normal.
But that happened, like once.
And then everybody takes thatas, oh, that's always gonna
happen.
No, guys, there's alwaysexceptions to the rule.
And if you look at airlinetravel, I mean I don't think
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we've had a major crash of amajor airline in, I think, over
a decade.
It just doesn't happen.
It's safe, it really is safe totravel by plane.
I'm not trying to convince you,but as you go through and you
get on that plane the first time, it's going to make you nervous
the whole time.
Second time maybe a little bitmore nervous, less and less
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nervous the more you fly.
But if you can't, just cannotput yourself on a plane.
I have a brother-in-law hasthat he cannot get on a plane,
so it's either driving or atrain with him.
I'm in the in the process ofgetting my pilot's license, so
maybe I can get him to go into aplane with me.
Probably less likely, actually,probably probably less likely.
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But really, guys, if you're ableto get over that anxiety of
where you're going, first of all, you can always choose
somewhere in the state if youfeel like you can't get too far,
but just get away from yourhouse, like I said in.
I've said in an earlier episode.
I said that it's important foryou to get further away than it
feels comfortable for your house.
Like you don't want to bewithin 10 minutes of your house,
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you'll just go back home.
So you want to be furtherenough away where it's complete
inconvenience for you to drivehome in the middle of this trip.
So if it's only two or threehours away, okay, fine, that's a
start right.
Or if you say I can't afford totravel, well, gosh, that's what
I do, guys.
I help people travel in luxuryfor little or no cost.
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I will help you get there.
If this is something you wantand I want you to want it
because I want you to help yourfamily.
I want you to help yourselfwith your family.
I want the anxiety levels todrop so far so that you can come
together as a family.
Because, again, my goal here isfor sure yeah, I want you to
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travel, but I'm only wanting youto travel so you can save your
family, so you can save yourchildren from what I've had to
go through, because divorce isnot good on your children.
Traveling is Traveling as afamily.
Think of the mind-blowingextremes we're talking about
here Traveling with your familyversus divorce, and you lose
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your family Versus divorce, andyou lose your family.
Is it worth a little investmentin time or effort to learn how
to travel For little or no cost,or whatever, or with cost, if
you prefer that method?
I don't think it is because,again, no matter what you do, no
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matter what you do, even if youpay in cash, travel is still
going to be cheaper than divorce.
You have been listening toTravel is Cheaper Than Divorce
with David Packer.
Please let us know what youthink about this episode or any
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Please join us for our nextepisode, where we continue to
explore how travel can helpbring your family together.
You are listening to.
Travel is Cheaper than Divorce.
This podcast for all those whomay be struggling with their
spouse or their children and therelationship with them.
We help give you tips andtricks by using travel as the
means to be able to help yourrelationships with your family.
I'll provide those tricks andother ways to help travel with
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little or no cost.
So let's get into it Everybody.
Just relax, just chill for asecond, just calm down, calm
down down.
Everything is going to be okay.
(00:50):
I say this because you know I'vetraveled a lot and still every
time I travel there's a pointwhere you're just gonna feel
uncomfortable.
I I mean for me, even with myTSA pre-check, I slide through
security pretty well, prettyquickly, almost every time less
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than five minutes.
It doesn't mean that it doesn'tmake me nervous.
Every time I go through TSA.
Every time I go through TSA, Ifeel a bit uncomfortable.
It's not a comfortable feeling.
And then you have to get out ofthe airport.
You got to find your way tobaggage claim If you check a bag
.
I never check a bag because Ihate baggage claim.
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But I've been on vacations 10day vacations I don't check a
bag still, because I don't likeit.
I hate it actually.
Anyway, but yeah, it's, it canbe uncomfortable.
It can be completelyuncomfortable to travel to a new
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place and try to find your wayaround and, frankly, some people
have anxiety when they travel.
You know, I once went to anopen-air airport.
Open-air airport, all thecheck-ins were outdoors,
outdoors of all places.
It was a tropical place, it wasin gosh, I can't remember, it
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was one of the Hawaiian islands,I think it might have been
Kauai.
Anyway, it's, you know, it'shard to navigate sometimes
travel and you can have a lot ofanxiety around it.
I remember traveling to CostaRica.
Costa Rica really made menervous as I was traveling there
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.
In fact, we had a layover inguatemala and every time we went
to it, okay, so we had to gothrough security in guatemala.
Now, keep in mind, we were justtransferring flights, we went
from one flight to another.
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We it's not like we exited theairport and came back in, we
were just on a layover and itdidn't matter.
We had to go through securitythree times, three separate
times in Guatemala, and everytime you went to a different
part of the airport, there werearmed policemen at every single
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terminal and we had to, I think,go through two of those things.
They weren't necessarilycheckpoints I would call them
that, though but they asked youin a language I did not
understand, obviously in Spanish.
They were asking me where wewere going, and we had to, and I
guess I knew enough Spanish toknow that that's what.
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I just held up my boarding passand they said okay, go ahead
and go through Armed guards,like with hefty stuff.
That's one that makes somebodynervous, right?
Anyways, eventually got on ourplane from Guatemala to Costa
Rica, and the rest is the restof it.
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But see, that's the thing.
The rest of it was the excitingpart.
It takes a little bit ofnervousness, it makes you a
little bit uncomfortable to getto somewhere beautiful.
I mean, we could even use thatsame analogy for almost anything
in life marriage, or raisingchildren, or even taking a risk
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for your business or taking arisk in your career A little bit
of uncomfortableness to getsomewhere beautiful.
So relax.
When you travel, there's goingto be some anxiety.
There's always going to be someanxiety.
Just relax, you will make itthrough it, and you'll actually
feel better getting to thedestination.
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Because you're able to make itthrough all that, because once
you're there, you can sit backand say you are in a good place,
no matter where you're at,you're in a good place.
Different people that you'venever seen before.
Sometimes, if you'reinternational, different
cultures or even if you're neverseen before.
Sometimes, if you'reinternational, different
cultures or even if you're notinternational.
Sometimes even in this country,in the United States, you'll
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find different cultures insideeven the US.
You'll know that when you go tothe Hawaiian Islands, for
example, or sometimes in theSouth is a lot different than
the West, and sometimes evenpeople get some culture shock
when they travel from, say, theeast coast to Utah.
This is the fun part aboutthough.
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It's almost like the anxiety isthe fun part about it.
You will love where you go.
You will love where you go.
I have not traveled to one place, one place that I didn't like,
not one.
I didn't particularly like theairport in Guatemala, but I bet
Guatemala is a beautiful country, I don't know, but that was a
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little nerve wracking, but Ididn't travel there, I was just
going through there.
So it was.
Everywhere I've gone, I'veloved.
Everywhere I've gone, I'veloved.
Sometimes it takes some gettingused to.
Lots of fun, though.
Lots of fun.
I'm reminded of a story, in fact, when we moved our family.
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Well, excuse me, not when Imoved our family, pardon me, but
when my family, when my parentsgot divorced, moved from
California to Utah, you don'tbelieve that there was a culture
shock there.
You better believe there was.
It was really uncomfortable.
Now, it wasn't just the culture, it was the weather.
We moved from the Mojave Desertin California.
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If you know anything about theMojave Desert, it's hot there
like hot.
Okay, we moved from hot, reallyhot to the winter.
We moved to the Salt Lake areain northern Utah was one of the
worst winters they had in adecade, so not only did I go to
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a whole new climate, but itkicked my butt.
It kicked my butt Snoweverywhere so bad that even in
Utah they closed down theschools because the snow was so
bad.
In fact, another memory I haveis when we went in to our new
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place, keeping in mind that wemoved from a house to a duplex
after my parents got divorcedand the heater wasn't working
and we moved in in the winterand it was freezing cold.
And I vividly remember thispicture where all four of us
there were four kids in myfamily were huddled up with a
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blanket around us and justshivering, just chattering teeth
, shivering inside of our newhouse.
What an experience.
For the first time, moving to anew place, what an experience.
But see, the thing is, is thatjust like traveling, and you get
used to it over time.
I got used to it.
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I'll say I'll never really gotused to the cold, though.
That's why I moved to extremesouthern Utah, because I don't
like the cold, I don't like thesnow, and I know some people
absolutely love those things.
I do not.
I am not a fan, but otherwise Igot used to the culture.
I got used to the people.
It's actually the people arevery nice, generally speaking.
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It has to be.
Generally speaking.
In utah, and generally speaking,nearly everywhere I've been,
people have been nice, whichbrings me to another point that
I didn't think I was going totalk about.
But there's, this world iscrazy, and we can see all these
people who are doing terriblethings to each other.
Trust me, my wife has beenthrough tons of things that I
would never wish on anybody doneby people to her right, and I
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could easily say that this worldis terrible and it's a terrible
place with terrible people andthe whole thing.
I don't say that, because whatI do know, from from traveling
again this is another thing youlearn is that the majority of
people, I believe, on this earthare good people trying to do
their best.
That's what I believe, and II've gained this knowledge by
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all the places I've been house,just in your state, just in this
one little area.
Then maybe you're like, oh, themajority of the people here are
nice, or the majority of peopleare bad, or whatever.
Get out, get out, go travel,get around and realize that most
of the people out there areactually good people trying to
do their best out there too.
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You know, we're in a pretty,pretty, pretty ruckus.
I'll say, I don't know, prettystrong, I don't know what the
word is right now politicalenvironment where it seems like,
oh, if they're on the otherside, they must be a bad person.
No, they're a good persontrying to do the best they can.
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It's just a terrible way ofthinking.
And that's actually a terribleway of thinking even inside your
own family.
What if you say, well, mywife's always on the wrong, she
just doesn't get it and she'llnever get it?
That's where it gets really badwhen you say things like she'll
never get it or again, he'llnever get it.
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He will never get it.
He'll never get it.
He will never get it.
That's a finality statement.
That's a statement that there'sthe end, and I'm cutting it
right here He'll never get it.
Have you tried traveling withyour spouse and having a
conversation with them?
Have you had a conversationwith them where you just be
quiet and listen?
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Because if you have thoseconversations, then you'll
realize, oh, she or he are justtrying to do the best they can
too, just like you are.
There's just some sort ofmisunderstanding between them.
I can even use the twopolitical parties in this
particular country as an exampleof that.
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It's not the parties, it's thepeople.
And if you talk to a person onthe other quote-unquote, other
side I think we're all Americans, but on the other side and you
just have a conversation withthem without judging them
immediately, what you'll findsometimes is that you guys agree
on more than you disagree.
I didn't think I was going to gohere in this podcast, this
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episode, but a lot of theanxiety around traveling, I'm
telling you, will melt away whenyou realize people are just
people and they're good peopleand they will help you.
But if you're travelingsomewhere you don't know where
you're going, ask somebody.
They're good people.
Yeah, I say this in general.
I know there's bad people,trust me, I know there's bad
people out there.
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I know there are bad people outthere.
But just like my experiencefrom moving from California,
southern California to NorthernUtah, just like that experience
I will tell you that sometimesit's a bit of a shock, but once
you get through the initialshock and it doesn't take long,
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especially when you're travelingbecause you're actually there
to relax but once you getthrough the relax, the initial
shock that could turn into lackof relaxation then you can just
sit back, relax and enjoy, whichis what I was able to do
eventually when we move to Utahfrom Southern California,
northern Utah, from SouthernCalifornia.
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After the divorce, I was neverreally comfortable though to be
honest with you with the divorcething.
Still am not.
That's why a lot of the thingsthat got shaped in my life
because of the divorce.
That's why this podcast exists,because I want to do everything
I can to help you as a man oryou as a woman, but I mostly
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speak to the men.
I really want you to doeverything you can to keep your
family together, because itaffects your family so much to
get a divorce.
So just relax, guys.
Just relax when you're outthere in the world.
There are many travel guides,there are many websites, there's
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many people who write blogs,frankly, on countries.
There's so many differentplaces you can go online that
will help you to navigate,navigate that, that world.
So when you, when you go to thedestination, you have a lot of
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information in hand and thereare some apps, by the way, quite
a few apps, honestly that helpyou with this kind of stuff.
Even the logistics of travelcan make you really nervous,
like where do I check in?
What airport do I go in?
Where do I check in?
What airport do I go in?
How do I check in?
How do I go straight to thegate?
How do I get through security,especially in a foreign country,
and so on and so forth.
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Yeah, that's tough, but all thelogistics stuff.
There are so many apps that youcan download that you can put
all of your itinerary in.
I have one, but it's moregeared towards um points, but
there is a place where I Ibasically take my confirmations
from whatever airline I'm flyingand I forward them on to, uh,
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this app, and they'll just putit into an organized place.
For me it's so easy, it makestraveling so much easier,
because my aim is is for you toget through the really nervous
and kind of the anxiety-drivenpart, to get to the destination
and then to enjoy time with yourfamily and spouse and rekindle
the love that you have for eachother if it was your spouse, and
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then, of course, also with yourfamily.
So, again, as I started thispodcast, this episode, the same
way just relax.
Just relax, you'll get throughit.
There's so many travel tips outthere and there's going to be
even some more on my website,where I talk about sometimes
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some apps that are out therethat can help you with all these
things, because I know thatthere are some people who
honestly don't leave their housebecause of anxiety.
Just take that first step, man.
Just take that first step.
Woman, just take that firststep outside of your door or out
of your city.
Some people will refuse to fly.
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That's fine.
You can get to almost almost.
It's kind of difficultsometimes logistically in this
country, but there's a lot ofplaces you can go by train.
If you limit yourself to train,there's still a lot of
destinations you can go viatrain.
If you are nervous, if you'renervous about flying.
Flying can be nerve wracking,but you do it enough.
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That's another thing.
Again, another thing I couldtell you is that everything will
be okay.
If you fly enough like I havebeen flying a lot of places then
you realize that that littlebump on the airplane is pretty
normal.
That sound coming from theengine is normal, the bump it
feels when they bring out thelanding gear on a Boeing normal.
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All that's pretty normal stuff,stuff.
Now, a door flying off a Boeing, that's not really a thing,
that's not normal.
But that happened, like once.
And then everybody takes thatas, oh, that's always gonna
happen.
No, guys, there's alwaysexceptions to the rule.
And if you look at airlinetravel, I mean I don't think
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we've had a major crash of amajor airline in, I think, over
a decade.
It just doesn't happen.
It's safe, it really is safe totravel by plane.
I'm not trying to convince you,but as you go through and you
get on that plane the first time, it's going to make you nervous
the whole time.
Second time maybe a little bitmore nervous, less and less
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nervous the more you fly.
But if you can't, just cannotput yourself on a plane.
I have a brother-in-law hasthat he cannot get on a plane,
so it's either driving or atrain with him.
I'm in the in the process ofgetting my pilot's license, so
maybe I can get him to go into aplane with me.
Probably less likely, actually,probably probably less likely.
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But really, guys, if you're ableto get over that anxiety of
where you're going, first of all, you can always choose
somewhere in the state if youfeel like you can't get too far,
but just get away from yourhouse, like I said in.
I've said in an earlier episode.
I said that it's important foryou to get further away than it
feels comfortable for your house.
Like you don't want to bewithin 10 minutes of your house,
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you'll just go back home.
So you want to be furtherenough away where it's complete
inconvenience for you to drivehome in the middle of this trip.
So if it's only two or threehours away, okay, fine, that's a
start right.
Or if you say I can't afford totravel, well, gosh, that's what
I do, guys.
I help people travel in luxuryfor little or no cost.
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I will help you get there.
If this is something you wantand I want you to want it
because I want you to help yourfamily.
I want you to help yourselfwith your family.
I want the anxiety levels todrop so far so that you can come
together as a family.
Because, again, my goal here isfor sure yeah, I want you to
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travel, but I'm only wanting youto travel so you can save your
family, so you can save yourchildren from what I've had to
go through, because divorce isnot good on your children.
Traveling is Traveling as afamily.
Think of the mind-blowingextremes we're talking about
here Traveling with your familyversus divorce, and you lose
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your family Versus divorce, andyou lose your family.
Is it worth a little investmentin time or effort to learn how
to travel For little or no cost,or whatever, or with cost, if
you prefer that method?
I don't think it is because,again, no matter what you do, no
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matter what you do, even if youpay in cash, travel is still
going to be cheaper than divorce.
You have been listening toTravel is Cheaper Than Divorce
with David Packer.
Please let us know what youthink about this episode or any
other comments you might have byvisiting our website at
wwwtravelpointdadcom.
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Please join us for our nextepisode, where we continue to
explore how travel can helpbring your family together.
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