October 28, 2024 • 13 mins
Ever felt like travel planning could be a minefield of emotions and logic? Join me, David Packer, on this engaging episode of "Travel is Cheaper than Divorce," where I share personal stories that unravel the delicate dance between emotions and rationality in both travel and relationships.
From a heartfelt compliment from my spouse that reinforced the importance of blending emotional insight with logical thinking to the time I booked a flight on the wrong day due to frustration, you'll learn why patience and rational planning are vital. Find out how a wise mind can not only save you from costly mistakes but also make your travel experiences more enriching and enjoyable.
Patience isn't just a virtue; it's a game-changer in relationships and travel. Hear about a touching moment when my wife affirmed my worth, showcasing the rewards of being patient with oneself. Discover the broader implications of patience with family members, and how this can stretch your travel budget further.
Whether you're looking to enhance your familial bonds or master the complexities of travel planning, this episode offers invaluable insights that can transform your journey. For more tips and tricks on luxurious travel at little to no cost, be sure to connect with us on our YouTube channel, Travel Point Pros.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You are listening to.
Travel is Cheaper than Divorce.
This podcast for all those whomay be struggling with their
spouse or their children and therelationship with them.
We help give you tips andtricks by using travel as the
means to be able to help yourrelationships with your family.
I'll provide those tricks andother ways to help travel with
(00:29):
little or no cost, so let's getinto it.
One of the most beautiful thingsmy spouse ever said to me
recently was, well, two things.
One thing that she said to merecently is you are a very good
person.
(00:49):
That's really important to meand so it really touched me.
That was probably the one moreimpactful thing she said.
But one of the other things shesaid recently or I won't say
recently, within the next lastcouple of years, and she's's
reiterated a couple of times isthat she loves my mind.
Why is that so important to me?
Because my mind is what'scaused a lot of the problems in
(01:12):
our marriage.
It's because I'm too far up myhead up in my head that I cannot
sometimes see emotions.
The reason I bring this up isbecause it's not like being in
your head is bad and it's notlike having emotions is bad
either.
It's the merger of those twothings and what is called wise
(01:35):
mind having both.
That's so important.
Because of the divorce that Ikeep referencing, I learned to
shut off my emotions.
I thought they were useless,almost in the way, and they have
been in certain circumstances,and that's what I want to talk
about is there are certaincircumstances and I'm going to
(01:55):
give some examples here in mylife, where emotions do get in
the way of what you're trying todo.
There's this one time do get inthe way of what you're trying
to do.
There's this one time and thisI want you to relate to, because
when I'm talking about thesethings, these concepts, and I
talk about points and miles inmy other business, patience is
(02:16):
probably the most importantthing you can have.
You don't want to be emotional.
When you book a trip, you canbe excited.
Don't want to be emotional whenyou book a trip, you can be
excited.
But the problem is is whenyou're emotional, you make
irrational decisions where youneed to make rational ones.
So so the example here I oncebooked a trip forgive me, I
(02:39):
cannot remember where.
Now, where was it?
Oh, it wasn't the entire trip,thank goodness, because that
would have drove me insane,because I'm kind of a tightwad
and a penny pincher in a lot ofways, but it was just one leg of
our flight to Hawaii and I wasso impatient that day, so
impatient it was just not a goodday with our children and I was
(03:03):
so impatient it wasn't a goodday at work either.
It just ultimately wasn'tnecessarily a good day.
So I'm flustered and I'mfrustrated, and that's the day I
chose to book this leg of myjourney on the Hawaii trip.
It's hard to explain withoutexplaining points and miles.
(03:25):
So, very briefly, when you booktrips with points and miles,
you generally want to bookone-way tickets to your
destination and you generallywant to be airport agnostic.
In other words, you go fromwhatever airport that's around
you, even if it isn't theclosest one.
So when I booked my tickets toHonolulu this is the trip I took
(03:47):
with our kids, because we had atrip earlier with just my
spouse and I, but when I bookedthese tickets anyways, I already
booked tickets from San Jose toHonolulu.
San Jose, that's weird, yes, itis weird, but that was the
cheapest tickets as far aspoints and miles are concerned,
where I could fly first classfor the same price as coach, and
(04:10):
that's what I usually try to dowhen I'm booking longer flights
.
I don't like to sit in coach onlonger flights anymore, because
I can not, because I'm uppity.
It's simply because the pointsand miles work out better for me
anyways.
It's just cheaper.
But just having that backgroundunderstanding, I need to book a
(04:34):
flight from my closest airportto which, as you guys know in
the other previous episodes, isVegas to San Jose.
That one was not going to bebooked with points because it's
such a short flight.
It's really a waste of pointsto do it that way.
That one was going to be a cashflight, which makes the story
even worse.
Really, because I was frustrated, because I was flustered that
(04:59):
day, I booked the flight on thewrong day, completely the wrong
day, completely the wrong day.
Or was it the wrong?
Yeah, it was the wrong day.
I mean, that's a rookie mistakeand at this point I felt like I
had the points in traveling andeverything down.
I'm deep into the system and Istill effed it up.
And why?
(05:22):
Because it doesn't matter howmuch you know, if you are
frustrated, flustered, angry andyou try to book a trip at that
time, that's a terrible idea.
It's because I was impatient.
I could have waited another dayand I should have, I really
should have but emotions got inthe way in this case.
(05:46):
I mean, you've heard me saybefore that love is the most
important thing and makes theworld go around.
That's an emotion, right, Ithink it's stronger than that,
but let's just call it anemotion for the for the sakes of
this, this episode.
So I'm basically sayingemotions, or love, is the most
important thing.
I agree with that 100%.
But it's important to also havethe other side of your mind,
(06:08):
especially, especially whenbooking travel.
Because in this game and it'sbecome kind of a game for me
it's kind of fun to me my wifelaughs at me because I find it
fun and amusing One of thoseguys right To build spreadsheets
(06:29):
and figure out the best dealand get this best deal and fly
in the most beautiful things andthe beautiful ways and finding
these things out of nowhere thatnobody else could find.
It's just so much fun to me,it's quite exhilarating could
find.
And it's just so much fun to me.
It's quite exhilarating, if youhaven't told already, I'm
(06:51):
pretty much a geek in this way.
So it is kind of fun to me.
But this game, this bookingtravel, going on trips.
It takes patience.
It takes patience.
It takes patience with thesystem TSA isn't the most
beautiful thing in the world,for example.
It takes patience in yourtravel.
(07:14):
It takes patience Evensometimes.
I keep talking about thebeauties of travel like it's all
roses.
Let me tell you another story.
When my family were travelingand this is the family trip to
Hawaii my wife and I had anotherargument there and it was not a
pleasant one what one is, butit wasn't good and emotions got
(07:39):
flared up and me being theperson I was got really
defensive, which is not helpfulat all.
By the way, to tip to guys outthere, defensiveness never a
good thing.
Changes tend to change thewhole mood of the conversation.
Emotions, emotions almostcompletely got in the way of our
kids' trip and it wasn'tpleasant way of our kids' trip,
(08:05):
and it wasn't pleasant.
Actually, if I were to reallyreally be honest with all of you
looking back, it's my lack ofemotion, my lack of emotion,
that actually caused thatproblem in the first place.
I just want to be upfront withyou and that causes emotions to
be flared up and other things.
I think there are more peopleout there than want to admit
(08:26):
that they're also struggling inthis way.
So when booking travel, whenliving life, it's important to
have emotions, but it's alsoreally important to have your
wits about you, as they put it.
But it's also really importantto have your wits about you, as
(08:46):
they put it.
Again, going back to the termwise mind, it's important to
have a very wise mind.
Both have the emotions and thelogic behind it.
Let me tell you why.
One more reason why BecauseI've been talking about cash
booking when I gave you thatexample.
But points booking takes a lotof patience because you might
have to search for days on endbecause certain amounts of
(09:10):
points I don't want to get toodeep into this but certain
amount of points you may have aticket to.
Again, we're going to useHonolulu as an example.
From wherever, what airport,that is 30,000 or, excuse me,
let's say, 120,000 points oneday, and then, literally two
days later, it could be 40,000points.
(09:30):
So sometimes you have to checkdaily.
Don't really have to checkdaily, but you have to check
often enough and be patient andnot book the first thing that
you think is great.
You have to have a goal, youhave to understand what you're
after and then you go get it andbe patient until you find it.
So don't let emotions get inthe way of what is a logical
(09:55):
exercise, or don't let logic getin the way of what is a very
emotional exercise, which isbeing with your family.
So, if you have the time.
Another thing about patience Ialluded to this in an earlier or
another episode If you'rereally patient and the more
(10:20):
patient you are, the better dealyou're going to get in travel.
Especially If you're reallypatient, then you do flexible
dates.
You don't even pick a date andyou just find the date that has
the cheapest flight, thecheapest hotel, and you run
those dates.
That's a great way of doingthings.
By the way, I've done thatbefore.
It was wonderful.
(10:41):
Great way of doing things.
By the way, I've done thatbefore, it was wonderful.
So if I were to give you atakeaway again today, I would
tell you this Find the wise mind.
I think for I'm just talkinggeneralities.
It's not always true, butusually for men they're more in
(11:04):
their head and for women they'remore in their heart If you
really want to come together,you both need to find a wise
mind, and in that wise mind is Italk about booking travel and
being patient, and you should bemore in your head, but maybe
not Really.
You need to have both.
You need to be in that wisemind.
It is the best place to be fornearly everything.
So take stock of yourself againand be patient when you book.
(11:30):
I'll just say it that way yourtakeaway today is be patient
when you book travel.
If there's a place that you andyour spouse have always wanted
to go, go, go.
But that doesn't mean today,that doesn't mean tomorrow.
It means be patient and findwhen that time is.
(11:51):
Sometimes it's not that thedestination that's expensive,
it's the time that's expensive.
As we talked about the summer,you don't want to travel in the
summer Usually more expensive.
When is the great time to gowhen?
When is the cheapest time to go?
But make sure, obviously, thatit's not a place like, again,
(12:15):
canada in the winter.
If you don't like the winterwhich I don't like the winter I
hate the snow.
Generally speaking, I like tovisit the snow, but I don't like
the winter.
I hate the snow.
Generally speaking, I like tovisit the snow, but I don't like
to live in it.
Let's just put it that way.
So be patient when you bookyour travel.
Be patient with your family.
Really, honestly, I'm going tosay something like I said.
One of the things my wife saidthat impacted me more recently
(12:38):
was that she told me I was agood person, because sometimes
I'm not very patient with myself.
So sometimes it's good for youto be patient with yourself.
Be patient with yourself too.
Be patient everybody withyourself, with your spouse and
with your travel, and that willmake your dollar stretch so much
(12:59):
farther dollar stretch so muchfarther.
You have been listening toTravel is Cheaper Than Divorce
with me, your host, david Packer.
Please connect with us on ourYouTube channel at Travel Point
Pros.
There, you will learn many tipsand tricks on how to use points
and miles to travel in luxuryfor little to no cost.
(13:21):
Remember to like and subscribeand comment on any of the videos
that you find helpful to you.
Thank you for listening.
You are listening to.
Travel is Cheaper than Divorce.
This podcast for all those whomay be struggling with their
spouse or their children and therelationship with them.
We help give you tips andtricks by using travel as the
means to be able to help yourrelationships with your family.
I'll provide those tricks andother ways to help travel with
(00:29):
little or no cost, so let's getinto it.
One of the most beautiful thingsmy spouse ever said to me
recently was, well, two things.
One thing that she said to merecently is you are a very good
person.
(00:49):
That's really important to meand so it really touched me.
That was probably the one moreimpactful thing she said.
But one of the other things shesaid recently or I won't say
recently, within the next lastcouple of years, and she's's
reiterated a couple of times isthat she loves my mind.
Why is that so important to me?
Because my mind is what'scaused a lot of the problems in
(01:12):
our marriage.
It's because I'm too far up myhead up in my head that I cannot
sometimes see emotions.
The reason I bring this up isbecause it's not like being in
your head is bad and it's notlike having emotions is bad
either.
It's the merger of those twothings and what is called wise
(01:35):
mind having both.
That's so important.
Because of the divorce that Ikeep referencing, I learned to
shut off my emotions.
I thought they were useless,almost in the way, and they have
been in certain circumstances,and that's what I want to talk
about is there are certaincircumstances and I'm going to
(01:55):
give some examples here in mylife, where emotions do get in
the way of what you're trying todo.
There's this one time do get inthe way of what you're trying
to do.
There's this one time and thisI want you to relate to, because
when I'm talking about thesethings, these concepts, and I
talk about points and miles inmy other business, patience is
(02:16):
probably the most importantthing you can have.
You don't want to be emotional.
When you book a trip, you canbe excited.
Don't want to be emotional whenyou book a trip, you can be
excited.
But the problem is is whenyou're emotional, you make
irrational decisions where youneed to make rational ones.
So so the example here I oncebooked a trip forgive me, I
(02:39):
cannot remember where.
Now, where was it?
Oh, it wasn't the entire trip,thank goodness, because that
would have drove me insane,because I'm kind of a tightwad
and a penny pincher in a lot ofways, but it was just one leg of
our flight to Hawaii and I wasso impatient that day, so
impatient it was just not a goodday with our children and I was
(03:03):
so impatient it wasn't a goodday at work either.
It just ultimately wasn'tnecessarily a good day.
So I'm flustered and I'mfrustrated, and that's the day I
chose to book this leg of myjourney on the Hawaii trip.
It's hard to explain withoutexplaining points and miles.
(03:25):
So, very briefly, when you booktrips with points and miles,
you generally want to bookone-way tickets to your
destination and you generallywant to be airport agnostic.
In other words, you go fromwhatever airport that's around
you, even if it isn't theclosest one.
So when I booked my tickets toHonolulu this is the trip I took
(03:47):
with our kids, because we had atrip earlier with just my
spouse and I, but when I bookedthese tickets anyways, I already
booked tickets from San Jose toHonolulu.
San Jose, that's weird, yes, itis weird, but that was the
cheapest tickets as far aspoints and miles are concerned,
where I could fly first classfor the same price as coach, and
(04:10):
that's what I usually try to dowhen I'm booking longer flights
.
I don't like to sit in coach onlonger flights anymore, because
I can not, because I'm uppity.
It's simply because the pointsand miles work out better for me
anyways.
It's just cheaper.
But just having that backgroundunderstanding, I need to book a
(04:34):
flight from my closest airportto which, as you guys know in
the other previous episodes, isVegas to San Jose.
That one was not going to bebooked with points because it's
such a short flight.
It's really a waste of pointsto do it that way.
That one was going to be a cashflight, which makes the story
even worse.
Really, because I was frustrated, because I was flustered that
(04:59):
day, I booked the flight on thewrong day, completely the wrong
day, completely the wrong day.
Or was it the wrong?
Yeah, it was the wrong day.
I mean, that's a rookie mistakeand at this point I felt like I
had the points in traveling andeverything down.
I'm deep into the system and Istill effed it up.
And why?
(05:22):
Because it doesn't matter howmuch you know, if you are
frustrated, flustered, angry andyou try to book a trip at that
time, that's a terrible idea.
It's because I was impatient.
I could have waited another dayand I should have, I really
should have but emotions got inthe way in this case.
(05:46):
I mean, you've heard me saybefore that love is the most
important thing and makes theworld go around.
That's an emotion, right, Ithink it's stronger than that,
but let's just call it anemotion for the for the sakes of
this, this episode.
So I'm basically sayingemotions, or love, is the most
important thing.
I agree with that 100%.
But it's important to also havethe other side of your mind,
(06:08):
especially, especially whenbooking travel.
Because in this game and it'sbecome kind of a game for me
it's kind of fun to me my wifelaughs at me because I find it
fun and amusing One of thoseguys right To build spreadsheets
(06:29):
and figure out the best dealand get this best deal and fly
in the most beautiful things andthe beautiful ways and finding
these things out of nowhere thatnobody else could find.
It's just so much fun to me,it's quite exhilarating could
find.
And it's just so much fun to me.
It's quite exhilarating, if youhaven't told already, I'm
(06:51):
pretty much a geek in this way.
So it is kind of fun to me.
But this game, this bookingtravel, going on trips.
It takes patience.
It takes patience.
It takes patience with thesystem TSA isn't the most
beautiful thing in the world,for example.
It takes patience in yourtravel.
(07:14):
It takes patience Evensometimes.
I keep talking about thebeauties of travel like it's all
roses.
Let me tell you another story.
When my family were travelingand this is the family trip to
Hawaii my wife and I had anotherargument there and it was not a
pleasant one what one is, butit wasn't good and emotions got
(07:39):
flared up and me being theperson I was got really
defensive, which is not helpfulat all.
By the way, to tip to guys outthere, defensiveness never a
good thing.
Changes tend to change thewhole mood of the conversation.
Emotions, emotions almostcompletely got in the way of our
kids' trip and it wasn'tpleasant way of our kids' trip,
(08:05):
and it wasn't pleasant.
Actually, if I were to reallyreally be honest with all of you
looking back, it's my lack ofemotion, my lack of emotion,
that actually caused thatproblem in the first place.
I just want to be upfront withyou and that causes emotions to
be flared up and other things.
I think there are more peopleout there than want to admit
(08:26):
that they're also struggling inthis way.
So when booking travel, whenliving life, it's important to
have emotions, but it's alsoreally important to have your
wits about you, as they put it.
But it's also really importantto have your wits about you, as
(08:46):
they put it.
Again, going back to the termwise mind, it's important to
have a very wise mind.
Both have the emotions and thelogic behind it.
Let me tell you why.
One more reason why BecauseI've been talking about cash
booking when I gave you thatexample.
But points booking takes a lotof patience because you might
have to search for days on endbecause certain amounts of
(09:10):
points I don't want to get toodeep into this but certain
amount of points you may have aticket to.
Again, we're going to useHonolulu as an example.
From wherever, what airport,that is 30,000 or, excuse me,
let's say, 120,000 points oneday, and then, literally two
days later, it could be 40,000points.
(09:30):
So sometimes you have to checkdaily.
Don't really have to checkdaily, but you have to check
often enough and be patient andnot book the first thing that
you think is great.
You have to have a goal, youhave to understand what you're
after and then you go get it andbe patient until you find it.
So don't let emotions get inthe way of what is a logical
(09:55):
exercise, or don't let logic getin the way of what is a very
emotional exercise, which isbeing with your family.
So, if you have the time.
Another thing about patience Ialluded to this in an earlier or
another episode If you'rereally patient and the more
(10:20):
patient you are, the better dealyou're going to get in travel.
Especially If you're reallypatient, then you do flexible
dates.
You don't even pick a date andyou just find the date that has
the cheapest flight, thecheapest hotel, and you run
those dates.
That's a great way of doingthings.
By the way, I've done thatbefore.
It was wonderful.
(10:41):
Great way of doing things.
By the way, I've done thatbefore, it was wonderful.
So if I were to give you atakeaway again today, I would
tell you this Find the wise mind.
I think for I'm just talkinggeneralities.
It's not always true, butusually for men they're more in
(11:04):
their head and for women they'remore in their heart If you
really want to come together,you both need to find a wise
mind, and in that wise mind is Italk about booking travel and
being patient, and you should bemore in your head, but maybe
not Really.
You need to have both.
You need to be in that wisemind.
It is the best place to be fornearly everything.
So take stock of yourself againand be patient when you book.
(11:30):
I'll just say it that way yourtakeaway today is be patient
when you book travel.
If there's a place that you andyour spouse have always wanted
to go, go, go.
But that doesn't mean today,that doesn't mean tomorrow.
It means be patient and findwhen that time is.
(11:51):
Sometimes it's not that thedestination that's expensive,
it's the time that's expensive.
As we talked about the summer,you don't want to travel in the
summer Usually more expensive.
When is the great time to gowhen?
When is the cheapest time to go?
But make sure, obviously, thatit's not a place like, again,
(12:15):
canada in the winter.
If you don't like the winterwhich I don't like the winter I
hate the snow.
Generally speaking, I like tovisit the snow, but I don't like
the winter.
I hate the snow.
Generally speaking, I like tovisit the snow, but I don't like
to live in it.
Let's just put it that way.
So be patient when you bookyour travel.
Be patient with your family.
Really, honestly, I'm going tosay something like I said.
One of the things my wife saidthat impacted me more recently
(12:38):
was that she told me I was agood person, because sometimes
I'm not very patient with myself.
So sometimes it's good for youto be patient with yourself.
Be patient with yourself too.
Be patient everybody withyourself, with your spouse and
with your travel, and that willmake your dollar stretch so much
(12:59):
farther dollar stretch so muchfarther.
You have been listening toTravel is Cheaper Than Divorce
with me, your host, david Packer.
Please connect with us on ourYouTube channel at Travel Point
Pros.
There, you will learn many tipsand tricks on how to use points
and miles to travel in luxuryfor little to no cost.
(13:21):
Remember to like and subscribeand comment on any of the videos
that you find helpful to you.
Thank you for listening.
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