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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Moscow Police Department released nearly two hundred pictures from
inside the off campus home. In the photos, signs of
a typical college student's daily life are present, including a
foldable table covered in red plastic cups and spilled liquids,
a bedroom desk with a basket of laundry and calculators
sitting on top, and a living room with a Saturdays
or for the Girl's flag on the wall.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
We'll take a look at these photos. We've got new
photos from the Moscow Police Department. In Idaho, authorities releasing
these haunting images showing scenes within the off campus residence
in Moscow, Idaho.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
The first time. A chilling look inside the off campus
home where the four University of Idaho students were killed
in twenty twenty two. The house frozen in time, signs
of a party, dishes still in the sink. These newly
released crime scene photos, some blurred by police, reveal both
a typical college life and the horrifying signs of struggle.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I got nish high or paf bird, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
New crime scene photos have taken us into the house
at one one two to King Road. After the crime
inside the house, but after the crime for the first time.
Remember that house no longer stands. Many have been surprised
by how normal it looks. I know I was. There
were no blood trails, and to a casual person entering
(01:38):
the house at first glance, you wouldn't think a crime
had been committed, would you. Looking through the more accessible windows,
you wouldn't think so either, would you. It's only if
you looked a lot closer, even from the outside, that
you might notice blood dark, the color of cola or
spilled wine, not red, not obviously blood. In this analysis,
(02:00):
I want to look at six separate aspects that provide
additional insight, perspective context into this case in terms of
these photographs. But before we get to that, just to
note that I'll be doing a review of ABC's Capturing
Their Killer the documentary in three parts of the Delphi case.
(02:22):
Delphi is another area that I visited, walked on the bridge,
walked under the bridge, and certainly covered that case in
real time. For finding this analysis worthwhile, please do hit
the thanks button and let's get started.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
A Missing News is choosing not to show you the
most graphic pictures from this crime scene, but we do
want to warn you some of the images you are
about to see are graphic and disturbing.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Number One, sliding door. The sliding door is visible from
the road above, and the road is visible from the
sliding door below, especially at night with the lights on.
One of the things that is really a distortion in
terms of all the footage you see, is you really
need to see it at night. You need to visit
the house at night to get a true impression of it.
(03:08):
Because of the unique situation of the house, and because
of the house's purpose to have fun, to have parties,
it was meant to be open, it was meant to
be accessible. And I'm sure if one says, you know,
one of the things I guess we learn from this
case is lock your doors at night. In true crime,
one of the things we should and want to do
(03:32):
in terms of the past cases is learn how to
prevent the same things happening in future. It seems there
are a lot of people who are resistant to that,
who will say, don't speak ill of the dead, stop
criticizing dead people, and I think you're missing the point,
or those people who say that, because I think what
we need to do is protect the living, take care
(03:52):
of the living. Does that make sense. In any event,
this door being constantly open meant that people could come
and go through the usually unlocked, open sliding kitchen door,
and this apparently was a temptation Coburger simply couldn't pass
up on.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
Many of the disturbing photos redacted or blurred by authorities,
but they shed light on the since demolished King Road
house where Kelly Cansalves, Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan
Chapin were killed back in twenty twenty two in the.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Same way, with parties going on until the wee hours,
including fancy dress and Halloween, would it rarely be that
unusual to see strange people dressed in strange outfits in
the house late at night. And we do know from
a lot of the body cam footage that there were many,
many parties the police summoned on numerous occasions to deal
(04:45):
with the partying, and certainly wasn't below average amount of
parties taking place. Number two, handprints on the window. I
don't think these were Coburger's handprints. If they were, his
fingerprints would have linked him to the scene. This was
more likely left by students who arrived at the house
the next morning and weren't allowed in. Fox News described
(05:06):
this as an eerie picture. But if it has nothing
to do with the crime, how is it eerie? This
speaks to me, I feel of both the bloodlest people
have shown following this case, as well as the willingness
of the media and social media to satisfy it. But
what about the greater good? Damn the greater good. Incidentally,
(05:27):
if you think Coburger is a vicious monster, but at
the same time you've been addicted to coverage of this
case in spite of the concerns raised about the young
people affected by it, then your bloodlust isn't that different
to Coburgers. Then you're becoming a heartless vampire, just like
he became. That's something I'm concerned about. It's not very
(05:47):
good for views, but it certainly isn't very good for
society either. Number three, these images show the fact that
they had a party. The inside of the home is
both neat and in certain areas untidy. It's a lived
in house, a visited house, the sort of place where
one could record episodes of Friends, this one set in Moscow, Idaho,
(06:08):
perhaps a student version of that. I seem to remember
they didn't have a party on that Saturday night because
they'd had one already on Friday, and the many cups
you see lying around seemed to be from that party.
I seem to remember on the Saturday there was a
big end of season football game, and so the idea
was to head to the bars to watch and to
(06:30):
participate in that. I think there's another university, another college
visiting in terms of that game. Once again, the party
detritus is easy to confuse with a crime scene. The
clud of things lying around, certain liquids spilled on the floor,
you know, all of that isn't unusual, is my point.
Number four. There were people in the house anyway. There's
(06:53):
a sense from the inside of the house and what
we know about the house that there were always people
in the house anyway. So at least four or five
residents in ours, and if each one had a few guests,
that could easily reach double figures. And as it was,
there were actually two guests that weren't necessarily supposed to
be there. Kaylee had actually moved out and she came
(07:15):
back to the house that day to show Maddie her vehicle,
so she wasn't supposed to be there. Ethan wasn't supposed
to be there. The DoorDash driver wasn't supposed to be there.
The point is, in a college setting like this, friends
have access to each other, just as we see with
Maddie and Kaylee sharing a bed and Ethan and Xanna,
So someone entering or leaving the house late at night
(07:37):
might not be that unusual. By the way, if it
seems like I'm defending Dylan, I am number five Murphy's law.
This to me is the most tragic image we've seen.
Look closer, it may well be that Murphy Kayley's dog
(07:58):
saved Dylan's life. For one was surprised that the dog's
bark was so clear and so loud for such a
small dog. I expected Murphy's barking to sound more like
yapping or yelping. The loud barking, one can tell from
the CCTV audio, was loud enough to wake up the
two residents in the house as well as the neighbors,
(08:20):
and once Murphy started barking, Coburger knew his time was up.
I really do think there's a very good chance that
Murphy's barking saved Dylan's life. Now, if there were many
out there salivating at the prospect of crime scene photos
drenched in blood, you know, the most grisly images you
could see. I think many of you would have been disappointed,
(08:42):
and some of those are already turning trying to turn
that disappointment into some sort of cover up or conspiracy.
The reason you're not seeing the most grotesque and horrifying
images is because NBC didn't feel it was in the
public interest, and I would agree with them. I'm sure
you're going to see a lot of YouTubers falling over
themselves making the same public records requests to show you
(09:06):
these grotesque images and only to have their own videos
demonetized because YouTube will feel the violation of their guidelines.
But what is the real problem we're dealing with here, Well,
it's an appetite for blood in the midst of feeling
so good about Coberger being criticized in court for his appetite.
(09:27):
Do you see the double standard here? So the reason
one would want to not show these particular images in
this case is to protect the locals. Why because they
are younger than the locals in most other cases, and
also for the greater good because it's a student community.
We ever heard of that ever heard of the greater good?
(09:48):
It refers in general to a trade off between individual
interests and the collective welfare. Now I know from my
work on another case, a similar case, also involving a
student used an axe instead of a knife. By the way,
that axe was actually found at the crime scene, and
it was also one who murdered another student, not on campus,
(10:09):
but in his own home, and that student was actually
his own brother. Anyway, I know from the Henry van
Bradau case in South Africa that I expected this crime
scene to be similar. When I visualized this crime scene,
I was thinking about it from what I knew about
that crime scene. So let's examine briefly why six intertextualities
(10:31):
with a triple murder using an axe. So when a
cop testified to the blood bath inside the from Bradeaux house,
he wasn't kidding. He said blood ran like a waterfall
down the stairs. In a documentary, they actually showed footage
of the blood on the stairs. I'm not going to
show that without blurring that out as well, But the
(10:53):
point is to demonstrate just how different those stairs look
to these. It does make one wonder where the coburger
clear himself up using a sheet or towel or comforter
after exiting each bedroom. We know also in the Mander
Knox case that there was a blood trail left from
Meredith Curtis room. That blood trail was subsequently mopped up
(11:14):
to the point that it was nearly invisible. In conclusion,
I tend to agree with the cops who said, even
without the DNA evidence, they had a super strong case
against Coburger. His vehicle basically led a trail of breadcrumbs
repeatedly to the house and King Road, including several trips
on the night of the murders. Even if you didn't
(11:34):
have his vehicle, you also had his phone. So circumstantially
that puts him at the scene of the crime when
the crime actually took place, just as Paul Murdo's snapchat
video at the kennels put Alex Murder at the scene
when that crime took place. That's an extremely tough argument
to defend against. The final thing I want to say
(11:55):
about this case is I've got to say I've been
very disappointed in you, not all of you, not every
single one of you, but in the general average audience.
Following the Coburger case, I have to say, been very
disappointed and actually disgusted in what is becoming of the
true crime community. I feel like this case is exposed
(12:19):
just our hearts, heartless, and as I said, the bloodlust
of people following this. You know, what has happened to
your sensitivities, what has happened to your humanity? And I
feel like this case is exposed that in a way
that I definitely don't really approve of. And I want
you to notice in the comments people that are asking
(12:41):
for these these more gruesome photos. If that's something you
don't agree with, I want you to please speak to
these people and appeal to their humanity, assuming that there's
any left away. I'm not going to take it further
than that. Thank you for listening. Look out for the
next episode reviewing the Delphi Case, and I'll see you
(13:02):
guys next time.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Am Story
The Moscow Police Department released nearly two hundred pictures from
inside the off campus home. In the photos, signs of
a typical college student's daily life are present, including a
foldable table covered in red plastic cups and spilled liquids,
a bedroom desk with a basket of laundry and calculators
sitting on top, and a living room with a Saturdays
or for the Girl's flag on the wall.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
We'll take a look at these photos. We've got new
photos from the Moscow Police Department. In Idaho, authorities releasing
these haunting images showing scenes within the off campus residence
in Moscow, Idaho.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
The first time. A chilling look inside the off campus
home where the four University of Idaho students were killed
in twenty twenty two. The house frozen in time, signs
of a party, dishes still in the sink. These newly
released crime scene photos, some blurred by police, reveal both
a typical college life and the horrifying signs of struggle.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I got nish high or paf bird, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
New crime scene photos have taken us into the house
at one one two to King Road. After the crime
inside the house, but after the crime for the first time.
Remember that house no longer stands. Many have been surprised
by how normal it looks. I know I was. There
were no blood trails, and to a casual person entering
(01:38):
the house at first glance, you wouldn't think a crime
had been committed, would you. Looking through the more accessible windows,
you wouldn't think so either, would you. It's only if
you looked a lot closer, even from the outside, that
you might notice blood dark, the color of cola or
spilled wine, not red, not obviously blood. In this analysis,
(02:00):
I want to look at six separate aspects that provide
additional insight, perspective context into this case in terms of
these photographs. But before we get to that, just to
note that I'll be doing a review of ABC's Capturing
Their Killer the documentary in three parts of the Delphi case.
(02:22):
Delphi is another area that I visited, walked on the bridge,
walked under the bridge, and certainly covered that case in
real time. For finding this analysis worthwhile, please do hit
the thanks button and let's get started.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
A Missing News is choosing not to show you the
most graphic pictures from this crime scene, but we do
want to warn you some of the images you are
about to see are graphic and disturbing.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Number One, sliding door. The sliding door is visible from
the road above, and the road is visible from the
sliding door below, especially at night with the lights on.
One of the things that is really a distortion in
terms of all the footage you see, is you really
need to see it at night. You need to visit
the house at night to get a true impression of it.
(03:08):
Because of the unique situation of the house, and because
of the house's purpose to have fun, to have parties,
it was meant to be open, it was meant to
be accessible. And I'm sure if one says, you know,
one of the things I guess we learn from this
case is lock your doors at night. In true crime,
one of the things we should and want to do
(03:32):
in terms of the past cases is learn how to
prevent the same things happening in future. It seems there
are a lot of people who are resistant to that,
who will say, don't speak ill of the dead, stop
criticizing dead people, and I think you're missing the point,
or those people who say that, because I think what
we need to do is protect the living, take care
(03:52):
of the living. Does that make sense. In any event,
this door being constantly open meant that people could come
and go through the usually unlocked, open sliding kitchen door,
and this apparently was a temptation Coburger simply couldn't pass
up on.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
Many of the disturbing photos redacted or blurred by authorities,
but they shed light on the since demolished King Road
house where Kelly Cansalves, Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan
Chapin were killed back in twenty twenty two in the.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Same way, with parties going on until the wee hours,
including fancy dress and Halloween, would it rarely be that
unusual to see strange people dressed in strange outfits in
the house late at night. And we do know from
a lot of the body cam footage that there were many,
many parties the police summoned on numerous occasions to deal
(04:45):
with the partying, and certainly wasn't below average amount of
parties taking place. Number two, handprints on the window. I
don't think these were Coburger's handprints. If they were, his
fingerprints would have linked him to the scene. This was
more likely left by students who arrived at the house
the next morning and weren't allowed in. Fox News described
(05:06):
this as an eerie picture. But if it has nothing
to do with the crime, how is it eerie? This
speaks to me, I feel of both the bloodlest people
have shown following this case, as well as the willingness
of the media and social media to satisfy it. But
what about the greater good? Damn the greater good. Incidentally,
(05:27):
if you think Coburger is a vicious monster, but at
the same time you've been addicted to coverage of this
case in spite of the concerns raised about the young
people affected by it, then your bloodlust isn't that different
to Coburgers. Then you're becoming a heartless vampire, just like
he became. That's something I'm concerned about. It's not very
(05:47):
good for views, but it certainly isn't very good for
society either. Number three, these images show the fact that
they had a party. The inside of the home is
both neat and in certain areas untidy. It's a lived
in house, a visited house, the sort of place where
one could record episodes of Friends, this one set in Moscow, Idaho,
(06:08):
perhaps a student version of that. I seem to remember
they didn't have a party on that Saturday night because
they'd had one already on Friday, and the many cups
you see lying around seemed to be from that party.
I seem to remember on the Saturday there was a
big end of season football game, and so the idea
was to head to the bars to watch and to
(06:30):
participate in that. I think there's another university, another college
visiting in terms of that game. Once again, the party
detritus is easy to confuse with a crime scene. The
clud of things lying around, certain liquids spilled on the floor,
you know, all of that isn't unusual, is my point.
Number four. There were people in the house anyway. There's
(06:53):
a sense from the inside of the house and what
we know about the house that there were always people
in the house anyway. So at least four or five
residents in ours, and if each one had a few guests,
that could easily reach double figures. And as it was,
there were actually two guests that weren't necessarily supposed to
be there. Kaylee had actually moved out and she came
(07:15):
back to the house that day to show Maddie her vehicle,
so she wasn't supposed to be there. Ethan wasn't supposed
to be there. The DoorDash driver wasn't supposed to be there.
The point is, in a college setting like this, friends
have access to each other, just as we see with
Maddie and Kaylee sharing a bed and Ethan and Xanna,
So someone entering or leaving the house late at night
(07:37):
might not be that unusual. By the way, if it
seems like I'm defending Dylan, I am number five Murphy's law.
This to me is the most tragic image we've seen.
Look closer, it may well be that Murphy Kayley's dog
(07:58):
saved Dylan's life. For one was surprised that the dog's
bark was so clear and so loud for such a
small dog. I expected Murphy's barking to sound more like
yapping or yelping. The loud barking, one can tell from
the CCTV audio, was loud enough to wake up the
two residents in the house as well as the neighbors,
(08:20):
and once Murphy started barking, Coburger knew his time was up.
I really do think there's a very good chance that
Murphy's barking saved Dylan's life. Now, if there were many
out there salivating at the prospect of crime scene photos
drenched in blood, you know, the most grisly images you
could see. I think many of you would have been disappointed,
(08:42):
and some of those are already turning trying to turn
that disappointment into some sort of cover up or conspiracy.
The reason you're not seeing the most grotesque and horrifying
images is because NBC didn't feel it was in the
public interest, and I would agree with them. I'm sure
you're going to see a lot of YouTubers falling over
themselves making the same public records requests to show you
(09:06):
these grotesque images and only to have their own videos
demonetized because YouTube will feel the violation of their guidelines.
But what is the real problem we're dealing with here, Well,
it's an appetite for blood in the midst of feeling
so good about Coberger being criticized in court for his appetite.
(09:27):
Do you see the double standard here? So the reason
one would want to not show these particular images in
this case is to protect the locals. Why because they
are younger than the locals in most other cases, and
also for the greater good because it's a student community.
We ever heard of that ever heard of the greater good?
(09:48):
It refers in general to a trade off between individual
interests and the collective welfare. Now I know from my
work on another case, a similar case, also involving a
student used an axe instead of a knife. By the way,
that axe was actually found at the crime scene, and
it was also one who murdered another student, not on campus,
(10:09):
but in his own home, and that student was actually
his own brother. Anyway, I know from the Henry van
Bradau case in South Africa that I expected this crime
scene to be similar. When I visualized this crime scene,
I was thinking about it from what I knew about
that crime scene. So let's examine briefly why six intertextualities
(10:31):
with a triple murder using an axe. So when a
cop testified to the blood bath inside the from Bradeaux house,
he wasn't kidding. He said blood ran like a waterfall
down the stairs. In a documentary, they actually showed footage
of the blood on the stairs. I'm not going to
show that without blurring that out as well, But the
(10:53):
point is to demonstrate just how different those stairs look
to these. It does make one wonder where the coburger
clear himself up using a sheet or towel or comforter
after exiting each bedroom. We know also in the Mander
Knox case that there was a blood trail left from
Meredith Curtis room. That blood trail was subsequently mopped up
(11:14):
to the point that it was nearly invisible. In conclusion,
I tend to agree with the cops who said, even
without the DNA evidence, they had a super strong case
against Coburger. His vehicle basically led a trail of breadcrumbs
repeatedly to the house and King Road, including several trips
on the night of the murders. Even if you didn't
(11:34):
have his vehicle, you also had his phone. So circumstantially
that puts him at the scene of the crime when
the crime actually took place, just as Paul Murdo's snapchat
video at the kennels put Alex Murder at the scene
when that crime took place. That's an extremely tough argument
to defend against. The final thing I want to say
(11:55):
about this case is I've got to say I've been
very disappointed in you, not all of you, not every
single one of you, but in the general average audience.
Following the Coburger case, I have to say, been very
disappointed and actually disgusted in what is becoming of the
true crime community. I feel like this case is exposed
(12:19):
just our hearts, heartless, and as I said, the bloodlust
of people following this. You know, what has happened to
your sensitivities, what has happened to your humanity? And I
feel like this case is exposed that in a way
that I definitely don't really approve of. And I want
you to notice in the comments people that are asking
(12:41):
for these these more gruesome photos. If that's something you
don't agree with, I want you to please speak to
these people and appeal to their humanity, assuming that there's
any left away. I'm not going to take it further
than that. Thank you for listening. Look out for the
next episode reviewing the Delphi Case, and I'll see you
(13:02):
guys next time.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Am Story
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