AL B SURE ON DIDDY, SZA STOPS OVERDOSE, ICE is COLD BLOODED

SZA Exchanges Photo For Drugs, Al B. Sure! Speaks Up About Diddy and Kim Porter, ICE Wrongful Detainments, DOJ Arrests Black Congresswoman For Doing Her Job

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Well, Roland, thank you so much for bringing us into
the Roland Martin Unfiltered Network. This is truth Talks, y'all.
We keep it real.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Are y'all ready to roll? Let y'all.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Welcome truth Tellers to Truth Talks, the show that gives
you black people arguing like we're at the barbecue. We
used to be the number one show on Fox Soul,
but now we're here on our new home with Roland
Martin because we needed a bigger and blacker platform. But
it's still the same opinionated, unapologetic, super black truth telling
on truth Talks. We got the new folks. We got

(01:01):
some old stars returning back. Doctor Bryant is here, of course,
because she's our superstar.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
What up, doctor b Listen, Tore, There's two things that
stuck out to me. You said big and you said black. Okay,
I'm back, My bad, I'm back. I'm back. Listen, true tailers.
We're gonna talk about more things and big and black
on here, and it's gonna be a real good evening.
We got some cool training topics and some really strong opinions,
so y'all stay tuned.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
We got topics, we got opinions. We got four different people,
different generations, different parts of the country. Some people are
come from different parts of the world. Give it up
for doctor Sarah Founto. Who's where are you from? Or
from Antarctica?

Speaker 5 (01:40):
Oh my gosh, I'm from Canada, Okay, Regina, Saskatchewan. Guys representing,
But no matter what, I've definitely had a black experience
my entire life. So I'm just excited to share and
really expand what the spectrum of being black, bold and
unapologetic looks like. Let's go Treat Talks.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
You have a podcast called It's Giving. But what city
are you from?

Speaker 5 (02:02):
I'm Regina, the city that rhymes with fun.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
To v tri.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
What do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (02:13):
I gotta go there.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Give it up for our new co host, Big Bro
Dmitri Wiley from the Lost lover Boy podcast. Welcome to
the team.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here.

Speaker 6 (02:24):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
I'm just excited. I'm excited that my voice matters in
such a powerful platform. Thank you, guys.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
I'm Torre.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
You know me.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I've been in the game forever. Let's get into a
trending truth story. Number one, I'll be sure is part
of the whole Diddy situation. Not you're part of the trial,
because this trial is wild. I'll be sure. Of course,
it's part of Diddy's world. He was with kim Porter

(02:54):
before Diddy. He has a child with kim Porter, the
late kim Porter who was with Diddy at her end,
I'll be sure, has been saying some insane things on
local New York television that were hugely viral. This is
to meet You should know he was a gigantic singer
in the eighties, late eighties, early nineties, super lover Man,

(03:17):
Huge R and B Star been saying some crazy things
about did he Let's rold that.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Clip, living this Life?

Speaker 6 (03:26):
And the only reason I wanted to tell the story
Kurt was very specifically because I was ignored. There was
the most expensive pr campaign against me to shut me down.
If you actually knew what they did to me. There
was a bounty on my head, there was a bunch
of stuff.

Speaker 7 (03:40):
So do you think, specifically then, that Sean Diddy, Combs
or people affiliated with him did something to you that
caused you to have multi organ failure?

Speaker 3 (03:53):
I believe this be the case.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yes, So he's saying that did he poisoned him? He
also says in that interview that he believes that didd
he had something a lot to do with kim Porter's passing.
There's also talk about what happened to have ed. He
also died of pneumonia at a relatively young age. He
was also in the Diddy universe close to him. So

(04:17):
we keep saying, what is going on? This is a
lot of mystery. We have no clarity in this area.
But there's a lot of smoke, Doctor b what is
going on here?

Speaker 4 (04:27):
You know, honestly, it's a lot of smoke, but the
fire which is did he seems to be getting put
out and it seems to be you know, all of
these folks, male and females, who were victim to his
you know, his his his power, struggle, his entitlement, his
you know being that he thought he was just what

(04:51):
untouchable type of thing. And so I think what we're
seeing is just again, what goes on in the dark
does come to the light. And we can be in
a but at some point we open that thing up
to see what we're going to put on, and we
are seeing with our own eyes, you know, what did
he had going on in that thing? And I think
it's really sad and unfortunate that you have so many
people that have very similar stories and very similar experiences

(05:16):
that took them this long to speak out about you know,
their experiences and about this abuse. And it shows you,
and I'll land on this, It shows you the magnitude
of the power that Diddy held and steal hands. And
it took him to be behind bars where these people
believe that they're protected from him for them to speak up.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yes to all that. But here's the thing. I'll be sure.
It's not yet in a court of law, So this
is not yet having an impact on the Diddy trial.
Its having an impact on what we think of Diddy.
But the government said you were a racketeer, you had
a criminal enterprise. Does this, I'll be sure, story told

(06:02):
from outside the courthouse does it matter?

Speaker 3 (06:05):
I think the thing about it is it's outside. Like
you said, it could be an entirely entire publicity stunt
because you may not know, but I'm very familiar with
alb sure is. But a lot of the generation under
me has no idea right, so this could be a
way for I'll be sure to now bring himself to
some sort of relevancy. Because you don't once in the
industry kind of it's hard to see yourself move out

(06:28):
of the industry, or I'll be sure, and then he
could have gone through something and now he just feel
propels to tell the story.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Are you saying you don't believe al be sure.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
I'm not saying I don't believe albe Sure. But what
I am saying is pattern tells the story right. And
if Albi Shore's problem was Heavy D's problem, was kim
Porter's problem, I'm saying it's something look into, but I
only want to hear about it in the court of
law where it actually convicts who we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Sarah, I've seen people smarter about science than me, and
that's most of the country. Explain that if you give
somebody a certain amount of cyanide, that may appear to
take them out in a way that looks like pneumonia.
So this is a theory that some people are having about.
This is why you see heavy D, middle age, kim

(07:18):
Porter middle age, I'll be sure, middle age. The first
two of them died, Kim I'll be sure, got sick
and survived similar So this is something that people are
talking about. What do you think about this whole thing
of it? Seems like maybe Diddy was poisoning people.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
It could it could be that way, and I bet
he was doing a lot more than that. And this
is sheer speculation, But can I just go off the
Richter scale a little bit? Because when I was hearing
him talk, my mind went to a very terrible place.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
Is it okay?

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Yes, okay, I.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Want to know where you go for I say, okay,
but let's hear it.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
Okay, this man said what he did to me? Okay,
maybe he did poison him, but like, was he a
part of the early freak offs? And what I started
thinking about is if you were. I've heard conversations with
super successful people that tried really weird things like inserting
very large objects into an anus. And if that is

(08:18):
the truth, then multiple organ failure can be caused by
a bowel, perforation, by tissue damage, it can cause infection,
all of these different things, and sheer speculation. Okay, I
don't know that man, But what I do know is
I questions was it cyanide or was it a freak off?

Speaker 4 (08:37):
And and you say, you think, Sarah, that Diddy was
the one that was engaging in these objects being put
in him? Are you saying that it might have happened out.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
One second, Sarah, heretofore, as far as this trial, we
have not heard any mass freak off conversation. It is
so far in this trial, it has only been in Cassie,
Diddy and a sex worker in a room. At one time,
we thought we were going to get eyes White shut Hollywood,

(09:08):
all these black stars doing wild things together. We have
not heard that yet. That may have happened. I cannot
tell you it didn't happen. I can tell you we
don't have concrete evidence of it happening, and somebody like
al be sure people in Diddy's universe being part of that.
We only know about three person freak offs so far,
doctor b.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Yeah, That's why I was asking Sarah. Was she saying
that she believes that this was and did she believe
not were a true fact? Does she believe that this
is something that Albi Shor and Diddy were doing with
each other? Or was she saying that she believes Alby
Shore was having these type of experiences with someone outside
of Diddy and that may have caused Oregon failure. I

(09:48):
was trying to figure out her angle with that. That's
why I was asking doctor Sarah.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Trying to figure out how she knows that I don't
know know nothing about this is.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
News to me. I got a special guest comment, I'll
bring you bugging around, bugging around.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Things get hot today.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
It's just a sheer speculation.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
I do.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
I do think that this man has been pushing the
limits since before time, really, and it's been behind doors,
and he started incorporating more and more people. And there's that.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Diddy has been pushing the limits. We have no idea
whether or not I'll be sure any limits. We don't know,
We don't know. Trending topic number two, is this actually
really interesting, slightly heartwar big story. Maybe Siza who's on
tour with the Great Kendrick Lamar right now. Fantastic concert.
I saw it in New Jersey, absolutely worth the money.

(10:44):
But she found a young fan using whippets nitrous oxide,
and she stopped the child in exchange for a photo
with her. And she made the point on her platform
on her ig that they are clearly selling these things
and marketing them to children. And you can see that
with the brain colors and the naming and all the
against clicks and nitrous oxide is a high it cuts

(11:07):
off oxygen to the brain, creating a euphoric high to
meet you wait till after the show to do it.
So already illegal, but we are giving kids an opportunity
to learn how to get high and have high seeking
behavior that may or may not turn into addiction. It
won't turn into addiction for most people. But I'm definitely

(11:29):
concerned doctor b At like even conditioning children to be
aware of like, hey, here's how to get high and
getting you into that pattern.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Well, this is the thing, Torey, with the US having
the highest overdose rate in the world, not the nation
in the world, that is a problem. And for Siza
to have that mindset of saying, wait a minute, if
I can just save one child, right, that can possibly
save two or three or four because it only takes
one and it starts with one. I think that's that
was a great deed on that sho she's doing. I

(12:00):
also think that you know, a lot of these brands
know exactly what they're doing. They're not concerned with youth
or community or people or race. They're trying to make
the dollar. They're trying to make money. And if kids,
you know, buying this and consuming this is something that
makes the money, that's all they care about. And lastly,
I want to say this, not only does it cut
off the oxygen to your brain so you get this
euphoric high, but if your brain is limited to auctiongen

(12:22):
for a long period of time, even if death isn't
something that becomes a result, you know that there is
a high chance of being brain dead. There's a high
chance of those individuals having deeply rooted neurological issues where
they can end up being a vegetable. They can end
up losing, you know, a huge percentile of their functionality,
and that doesn't always end up being dead. There's long

(12:45):
term repercussions to doing this type of drug. And again,
US is at the highest highest overdose rate in the
whole world. We have a problem and epidemic with that already.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Dbetre, is this a big issue in your world?

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Absolutely, fuckingolutely, as a absolutely as a dad, mesatory as
a dad. I'm trying to trying to do better for
my seed. But for me, he's gonna graduate kindergarten. I'm
so excited. But anyway, nive years old. So for me,
it's it's it's super personal because it's not about banning

(13:20):
a drug. It's about banning the profit of black pain,
in my opinion, And this isn't This isn't some washaway
thing that once is gone. It's gone though. This is impact, this,
this last. There's so many questions I have regarding this
as like why is it easier to find strawberry banana gas?
It's find a healthy snack for my son in America?

(13:42):
Like I don't understand it. You unders know what I'm saying.
And the thing about it is another fair point I
think selling it is not that we failed as a society,
but we are creating the failure as a society. M
this last and the impact that'll come from it is

(14:04):
absolutely ridiculous, doctor Be. She's just giving you all of
those facts behind it. It's crazy, doctor B.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
You ever get high?

Speaker 3 (14:13):
You know?

Speaker 4 (14:14):
I do, Tory. I get high off of my workouts
after my endoor fiends are released. I get high after
some really good love making because my dophamine is released
as well. And I also get high when I see
every one of my clients have a breakthrough because it
is something that literally gives me a natural high. Now,

(14:35):
I have in the past consumed CBD at night because
it did help relax me and help me go to sleep.
It didn't have THAC in it, so I don't know
if that's considered me getting high. But what I do
know is that about thirteen minutes after I took a
little puff of the CBD, your girl was out for

(14:55):
a good eight hours and I woke up very, very
freaking recharged. I know if that counts, but yeah, maybe, so.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
You know, Sarah, I don't want children to be consuming
things and having the getting high experience, right like you
should wait until you're an adult to start doing that.
But I do think there is a general value in
the self exploration that you can have when you're on

(15:23):
an altered when you're in an altered state, if you
do it properly. I don't want you or anyone to
try crack or cocaine, but if you do, if you
smoke marijuana, you do something like MDMA in a thoughtful way,
you can have deep personal revelations about who you are
as a person that you could not have if you didn't.

(15:46):
And to me, it's the similar as like I think
we all should travel to Japan and India and other
places to expand, and when you travel to the world
of your brain on MDMA or your brain on marijuana
like you could have. What do you think about out
that I met? That's pretty challenging to you.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
Yeah, well, you know, I feel like those experiences aren't
happening for our children. Most of our children that are
experiencing drugs aren't doing it for deep revelations. They're doing
it because it's the cool thing to do. They're doing
it because they saw someone else do it. So first
and foremost, I just appreciate Sizza for using her platform
to really create this awareness around This is not the
type of drug that's like an MDMA or like cannabis weed,

(16:27):
whatever you want to call it, a THHC. This is
not that thing. It can literally like you can become
brain damaged. And my other question is, and I don't
know if you guys used to do this, maybe it
was a Canadian thing, but what happened to the days?
Did you guys ever almost like knock yourselves out with
your breathing? Do you guys know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Oh? Okay.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
We would against the wall and we would bend at
our hips and we would take twenty deep breaths and
then we would stand up and hold our breath for
ten seconds and then we would breathe really fast and
it would be like.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
To meet you. That's why Drake is the way he is.
Like a kid, be the fifty first state. Just come
on in and it'll be better. We have games for
the kids.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
No, you know, it's a good time. But what I
will say is those types of things aren't causing brain deficiencies.
You know, if our kids are going to start to
try new drugs, and please don't let it be one
that's killing them, don't let it be heroin, don't let
it be cracked, don't let it be nitric oxide, because
this is just not good for our children.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
She's absolutely right. She's absolutely right that, like we don't
want to do things, we don't want our children to
do things that are going to be physically physiologically dangerous
for them. But a lot of us in the community
spoke marijuana or gummies or whatever way you want to
consume it. And I think it helps a lot of
us who are adults get through the day. And I

(17:58):
think it's a really important and valuable way of helping
us get through the day. And I don't think there's
anything wrong with that.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
But as far as this nitro oxide, you know, I
want to end what's saying that it causes an intense
B twelve deficiency, which is already an issue within the
black community. People with melanins can already suffer from the
B twelve and the vitamin D deficiency because of our melanin.
It also leads to what serious physical and psychological issues.
So this is not just something like death that we

(18:25):
are trying to prevent. We are also trying to prevent
the issues that come before death becomes the result of it.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
And so it's a.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Bigger problem than just saying, hey, you know, don't use
this drug because you can die. Don't use this drug
because you might fucking live, and you might live to
be psychologically impaired to a point where you cannot be
a law abiding citizen and have a good quality of life.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
That's good, I feel that obinion.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
It's less about the drug more about the impact. It's children.
We're speaking of children.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
Like.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
The thing about it is, as anyone may know, there's
a gateway drug. There's ever hardcore drugs all the time.
And I'm not saying everybody reaches those places of those steps,
but if you begin any grown habit young, you'll be
grown regretting it.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
I want to push back against the notion of a
gateway drug. I think that individuals may be biologically or
socially uh prepared to become addicts. Right. It may come
from your family or the way that you see the world.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Right.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
But it's not like if I give you marijuana, you
will eventually move on to cocaine. Like, I don't think
that's that's really accurate.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Knowing what I've seen, those who reach a certain huh,
when it no longer does it, they reach further. And
that's how that's how it goes. And the thing about
it is not only that, it's the idea that when
when you're breeding it in children, pure pressure is crazy.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
Yes, yes, yes, And I just want to say this
really quick to add to Dimitri, He's correct about the
the gateway drugs because the relapse rate is at a
ninety two percent, and about eighty seven percent of the
relapses happened from what Dimitri just described the gateway drugs.
Someone who is a say, addicted to crack cocaine, they

(20:15):
end up having a drink or they end up smoking
something small as marijuana, and that gate weighs into their
preferred addiction are preferred drugs.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
So yes, absolutely, let's talk about some politicking. I love
that word politicking, and I love this segment Wild Story
out of New Jersey, right next to my state of
New York. Two black elected officials went to visit ICE Attention,
the ICE Detention Center in New Jersey, which is new
which is their responsibility to provide oversight and check on

(20:47):
what is going on over there. They went there on
two separate moments. May Newark Mayor Rasbaraka and recently congress
Woman Lamonica McIver went to this ICE Attention center and
we're arrested. Monica mc ivor was arrested for assault. It's
their job to do oversight all these things. Do we

(21:11):
have video of the arrest because I wanted because it's
so dramatic?

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Maybe not so.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Look, we have Trump overstepping his boundaries, right. We have
had people arrested at protests in the past. I'm not
even sure we can fully put this in that same
category as those, But this is elected officials. They should
not be being arrested doing basic oversight, Doctor B. This
makes me think about authoritarianism.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Does it make you think of that. Does it make
you think of our retaliation, Torrey, Does it make you
think of how possibly Ice being aggressive towards this congress
woman is retaliating against the fact that possibly their oversight
is not allowing them to do with their quote unquote
job is supposed to be. You know, to me, it

(22:07):
looks like something that says, if we can't move in
the dictatorship way that we want to move and guess
what we'll arrest and guess what we're pressed and guess
what we were We will try fear based tactics to
show you that as you are operating and what we
are supposed to have, which is a democracy that is
supposed to do it checks and balance amongst people to say, hey,

(22:27):
let me check in to make sure that you are
balancing your job of overseeing somebody, and the oversight committee
is supposed to make sure that who they're overseeing is
doing what following the rules, the regulations, and the protocols
based on the bylaws or the constitutional rights of how
they're supposed to do it. That's what democracy is about.

(22:48):
You do your job while we protect the people.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
Doesn't go the way we want it.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
We're gonna throw in some other shit so that we
can shake you up and have you do it the
way that we want it to be done. A shit
and retaligation.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Dabitri.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
There's a white judge in Wisconsin who is arrested for
supposedly helping an immigrant escape whatever. It's not just us,
but in the world where they are attacking DEI, attacking
black history, attacking black people in so many ways. To
see black elected officials arrested in this way, this is

(23:24):
very frightening. It feels like an attack on.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
All of us, oh for sure. And I think the
thing about it is is a very very powerful when
I say here and registered in my brain, you guys
just put it there. But when the justice system starts
arresting the people in charge of protecting it, it's doing
exactly what it was built to do. Too many people

(23:47):
the idea America has always feared black power more than
they have black crime. That's why they're If you're gonna
make me say it, I'm gonna have to say it
my grandma. Watch you know what I'm saying. But no,
in all actuality, I'm gonna say it against me. America

(24:10):
has always feared black power more than it has black crime.
That's why they take our leaders. The thing about it
is you cut a snake off at its head in
order to kill it its head, meaning they know exactly
how to keep the control. This place we're living in
is at a terrible state, a terrible state.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
That was really brilliant. I think that part of what
we're seeing here. The cruelty is the point. The speed
is the point. The right loves to remind us Obama
deported more people than Trump is on track to deport.
But Trump keeps giving us videos of it. He gave
us an ASMR video of it. He gave us Christy

(24:52):
Nome standing in front of Seacott at El Salvador. They
want us to see these videos. They want us to
know we are coming after you like it's frightening and disgusting,
and they are trying to deport as many people as
fast as possible, so we don't care about the process,
but also as cruelly as with as much show as possible,

(25:15):
so that everybody. I think there's an attempt to create
fear in like everybody in the country. What do you think, Sarah, I.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
Agree with you one thousand percent. You actually took the
words right out of my mouth. This is a power play.
One of the easiest ways to get power is to
create fear. And as long as the DOJ is in
Trump's pocket, as long as we are literally stuck in
this space where blacks and colors and blacks and browns
are going to be arrested for heinous charges like assault
when they were literally doing their job, we will always

(25:46):
be moving backwards. And so I think that it's really
important for us to be aware of to be aware
of the power that's moving right now. Like Dmitri said,
you've got to cut it off at its head. But
how do you cut it off at its head when
the when the three different uh, the three different things
that are supposed to to keep each other safe by
challenging one another, are all working together doing whatever Trump

(26:09):
says he wants them to do.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Mmmm, hey, we don't say colored anymore. Therea that note
about black power is actually more frightened than black criminality.
Ross Baraka is running for governor of New Jersey, and
you wonder if folks said, like, hey, let's let's hem

(26:32):
him up for a minute. He gets out of jail
right away, right he's the mayor. But they're like this
could make him look bad as he tries to rise
up in power.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yep. And that's it's a tactic. Get strategic, very very concise.
And I think the thing about it is what I
fear in any enemy, more than anything else, more than
brute force, more than more than power, more than strength,
is intelligence. When you can do something strategic to create
a narrative that'll change the shape of how everything goes.

(27:04):
I think the idea of it is, you can't for
me personally, you cannot assault a system that was designed
to assault. First, it's not assault, and they can label
it as whatever they want, but that's not how I
see it.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
This leads into the main topic that I want to
get into. Because they were there to look at ICE,
we should look at ICE and try to understand the
way that ICE is being used as gestapo stormtroopers for
Trump who out who operate outside of the law, aren't
constrained by due process, aren't even constrained by needing a

(27:43):
warrant to arrest you, aren't even necessarily telling you who
they are when they arrest you. So we're creating this
almost sort of Nazi stormtrooper who is able to arrest
anybody and At first we were told it would just
be the hardcore criminals, but it quickly moved on to
people who are not criminals, people who just are on

(28:04):
old visas or are we're here but their status isn't perfect,
but like, they're not criminals. And then we're moving on
to activists who support Palestine, which is a whole other thing.
But some of these arrests are so showy and frightening
and disgusting and even hard to watch. Let me show
you ONAM.

Speaker 8 (28:31):
Definitely a chaotic scene on Eureka Street Thursday, as Worcester
police and ICE agents detained a mother and her sixteen
year old daughter. That girl's face slammed into the ground
as she was taken into custody. They have not been identified.
Worcester Police said officers were dispatched to the area for
a report of a federal agent surrounded by about two
dozen people. When police arrived, they say the teen daughter
was holding a newborn baby in her arms and standing

(28:53):
in front of the ICE vehicle that was trying to
leave with their mother inside. Officers told her she was
endangering the baby, so she handed the newborn to a relative,
but police allege as the ICE vehicle drove away, she
ran after it and kicked the side of it. She
was arrested in charge with reckless endangerment of a child,
disturbing the peace to sort of the conduct and resisting arrest.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
It is really hard to watch. The woman who is
holding the baby is the other woman, the daughter who
ends up getting arrested. I think these sort of videos
that are traumatizing for us to watch is what the
Trump administration wants us to see.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Dmitri, I agree with you wholeheartily. That's the tactic. That's
the trick. I think a woman at that. Look how
many I can't even go look how many. Look how
much force it takes to contain a woman a woman,
one woman. And the thing about it is it's in
order for it to be televised, for to be seen.

(29:50):
Just like doctor Sarah said, it creates a fear, and
fear breeds power. This is I think at one of
the most intelligent plays there. Not to say what they're
doing is intelligent, but one of the most intelligent players.
They're right that I'll see.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
It's harding, and you know, it would be one thing
if they were getting it right. And the point of
due process is also to make sure that you get
it right. Is this person actually in MS thirteen? Is
this person actually an immigrant? Can we actually deport them
to that country? Do you have the evidence to prove
what you are saying?

Speaker 2 (30:26):
And if you don't.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Need those things, then you know what, we have a
country where Trump can say I want him removed and
you are removed. For example, Mamood Khalil, pro Palestinian activist,
Columbia person, Columbia University student, father, peaceful person, that's Kilmer
Brego Garcia who is arrested wrongly and sent back. I've

(30:50):
about Mamood Khalil who was deported just because he's a
pro Palestinian activist, right, and this is what we're getting,
mistakes like a Brego Garcia, doctor b. And political usage
is of political usage of this to silence people are
who are speaking out on the other side.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah, first of all, Torri, you said Trump can say, hey,
I want this person to be arrested. I want this person,
whether they're an immigrant or not, or a proven immigrant
or not, to be detained by ISIS, and he can
just do that. Well, you're damn right, you know why,
Doctor Sarah Dimitri torre In truth telligional. Why because Trump
made sure that he himself has qualified immunity while he

(31:32):
is in office, so he can damn near do whatever
the hell he wants to do. You're correct, and he
had a judge that he appointed from his first term
give him qualified immunity. Now let's go a little further.
This is something that is modern day terrorizing by the
US government with intentional trauma. They are intentionally traumatizing people

(31:59):
to make sure that everybody sees it secondary trauma, so
that not just the person who is being perpetrated and
traumatized is now becoming fear based, but the entire optics
of the world, not just the country that sees it,
has to also be one that is involved with being
in fear for their life. Really quick. I have a maid,

(32:21):
and we have beautiful, amazing maids that are not from
this country, right, immigrants are not. I don't know when
Trump first started this ICE's stuff. My maid said, look,
doctor Bryant, we are courtine. We're not loving to work
because we're afraid that we might get picked up or
somebody might call on us. Okay, these are our maids
who Her husband has diabetes. He's on dialysis. My point

(32:44):
is they have a lot of stuff going on, and
she just now started coming back to work. But isis
created such a fear factor in people that folks weren't
even showing up, they were hiding, families being ripped apart.
And again that causes two layers of trauma that is
happening from our government that is supposed to be based
on our democracy that is operating more as a dictatorship.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
Yeah, and the thing for me, even this is already massive,
But the scariest part about this is when you have
a warrantless arrest, like when they don't have to show
you who they are, You don't need any identification. You
can just show up and say that I'm ice. Is
what if now predators start to pose as ice And
what if these people that are being literally captured like

(33:30):
their criminals or their animals. What happens if now these
predators are taking and these these people are like, okay,
anything you want and now rape now, serial killers, now,
abusers or whatever it could be. Because there's no rules, regulations,
it's just chaos. And the fact that these people feel

(33:51):
so much power. Because one thing that really stood out
for me in this video that really just pissed me off.
I don't even cuss y'all, but that's really just pissed
me off. It's seeing that large white man pushed a
woman away with full force, turn away, and then he
saw someone else coming and then aggressively went to grab
her to hold her back. The audacity of it, you

(34:13):
don't need that much force to be crystal clear. But
the fact that these people are now given authority because
Trump said that it's okay and everyone is moving in
his little pocket. I'm not okay with that. I'm not
okay with children going home and now dad is gone.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Let's let's look at how bad it can be. Roll
the clip about the Oklahoma family crazy.

Speaker 9 (34:36):
So you do all of this to a family, to women,
you're fellow citizens, and it was a little rough. You
literally traumatized me and my daughters for life.

Speaker 10 (34:46):
This family has virtually nothing, And.

Speaker 9 (34:49):
I said, what is when we're going to get her
stuff back? He was like, it could it could be days,
or it could be months.

Speaker 10 (34:55):
Nothing But questions, well, what if I would have been armed?
Are you you're breaking in?

Speaker 9 (35:02):
What am I supposed to think? My initial thought that
we were being wrong. My daughter's female dons being.

Speaker 10 (35:08):
Kidnapped, nothing but likely lifelong trauma.

Speaker 9 (35:11):
We have guns pointed out our faces. Can you just
reprogram yourself and see us as humans, as women, a
little bit of mercy and care a little bit about
your fellow human mate, about your fellow citizen, like fellow resident.

(35:32):
We bleed to We bleed, just like anybody else bleeds.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
We were scared.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
You could see her faces, and.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
We were terrified.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Dmitri, this is a mistaken id. They were not actually
supposed to be having ICE attention that day. They had
done nothing wrong, and ICE is bursting in warrantless arrests
of by faceless cops. This is very authoritarian, very dictatorship,

(36:06):
very much. We can do anything we want to any citizen,
no matter what. And we're getting into a situation with
the Trumpies where they're saying, we may arrest somebody, but
if we make a mistake too bad, you can't do anything.
Even the Supreme Court says you got to get kill
mar Abrigo Garcia back. They're like, he's in another country.
There's nothing we can do. So so you made a

(36:28):
mistake and it's not your responsibility to fix it, you know.
I think about also like her husband on the East coast, right,
he's not there. Imagine if that's your girl and this
is her story.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
You know, that's all That's all that ran through my brain. Honestly,
as a man, I don't think what a lot of
a lot of people realize. And this is in a relationship,
since once a sense of security leads to any degree,
whether you're around or not, it's gone for good. There's
the trauma she now had to live through, even when
her man is present. Is now something you've caused in
their relationship. That's one, But two, I think the idea

(37:07):
of it is if ice can go kick in the
door of a citizen, what does the word citizenship? Citizens
should mean nothing? It has no it has no meaning
at all. Has my time come? It has no fucking
meaning at all. And I truly feel like her having
to move forward from this, the the traumatic experience that

(37:29):
that the child has to endure going forward growing up.
I think this is absolutely crazy. All for you to
take no accountability of what's been done, no repercussions, no nothing,
wipe your hands clean and not even return what's owed
to them is.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
To be.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Look, this takes me to March thirteen, twenty twenty. You
know what I'm talking about, Tolrey say her name Brionna Taylor.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
Let me take what.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
This woman in this video said. Suspect doesn't live here.
Brianna Taylor's ex boyfriend didn't live there and was not there.
And this is where the Breonna Taylor Act came into play,
which means what police have to notify you who they
are and why they're there before they can enter and

(38:21):
use that warrant. But guess what, that act that is
actually a policy is not being used still to this day,
that act, that which is a policy, isn't even being
used when it comes to our citizens. So therefore we
got policies and legislation again that our government, our president

(38:41):
is not respecting that are we that we as citizens
are expected to respect. So what I'm saying is the
lady said it. She said we believe too. And when
she said that, everything in me, everything in me got
so emotional because when she's describing human rights, she's saying,

(39:01):
we're humans. At the end of the day, we believe too.
Even if we are immigrants, cool, cool, go through the protocol,
still respect us as humans. It maybe put us where
you want us, but you don't have to terrorize us.
You don't have to. You don't have to take our
humanity and our dignity from us from a place that

(39:23):
we can never come back from it. And all I've
seen in this show was March thirteenth, twenty twenty, my
sister Brianna Taylor, who lost her life, who lost her
life for a man who wasn't even in our home
from officers who came in there. And the only justice
that will serve that wasn't even justice was her boyfriend
who fired off a warning shot got some millions that

(39:46):
could never replace that woman's life totally.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
Oh man, it really this is heartbreaking because I do
know families that have experienced this. You know, I was
living in Los Angeles and I had friends that experience
losing family members and it is so hurtful to literally
stand there and watch your family member get dragged away. Right,
And so it's crazy because ICE was created in two

(40:11):
thousand and three and their annual budget is eight million
dollars million billion Bailie billions is their annual budget. They
have over twenty thousand law enforce it enforcement with personnel,
and they're they have over four hundred offices and so
for me, the difference that I'm really experiencing is why

(40:33):
was it that Obama was able to deport people so
much more at this rate without this fear induced craziness
and chaos. But you know what, this is what I
start to think about, because you guys know my brain
works in a very strange way. I started to think, Yes, definitely,
I start to think that what if Trump is showing

(40:55):
these these these the tensions of cruelty, is treating these
people like criminal's televising it in this way to in
a weird way, somehow inspire people quote unquote to self deport.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Well that's that's I mean, that's our other big question
of the day. And I'm glad you brought that up.
That ICE has a new program that is encouraging people
to self report and they get one thousand dollars and
travel assistance whatever that means, to go back to the
country that they came from. Many people who live here

(41:31):
as long term undocumented immigrants have never lived in another country,
or they were far too young, or they have really
no connection to that country because they've been here for
five or ten or twenty years. Kil Mar Abrego Garcia
was here for many years here from sixteen or believe
twenty eight, twenty nine years old. So I mean, there's
no connection to El Salvador for him, for these people.

(41:53):
So the notion, I mean, I struggle even Dmitri with, like,
should a government be at asking people and creating conditions
where people may want to self deport? So if we
give you a little carrot and we also give you
this stick in another way, then you'll want to self
deport and we won't have to do our job. I'm like,

(42:14):
if you can find these people and deport them legally,
then you do that, but don't tell me you're doing
it by making it like, well, if you self deport,
then you won't have to go through these horrific scenes.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
That's what it feels like they're doing, and.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
That's exactly what they're doing. And the thing about it
is it speaks to how intelligent the government believes these
people to be. Ice believes these people to be. The
idea that if I breadcrumb you give you just a
little bit, a little bit better than what you're known
to one thousand dollars, that's not even a weekly that's
not even a weekly salary. In the United States, a

(42:50):
thousand dollars for most one thousand dollars. The thing about
it is I recently came back from Canada. I went
over to Canada. See how you're living on that are okay?
I'm safe. It was actually a very beautiful place. Well,
and I'm not gonna say to my shock because I've
known nothing about it, but it goes to show, and
it showed me for sure that stepping outside of what

(43:12):
you're used to, even if what you were used to
was a good thing, and seeing something else can make
you attracted to it. So imagine if I came from
nothing and I went to somewhere better these I'm not
turning myself in Fords. I'll tell you that.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
You know, even Canadians you bring up going to Canady,
even Canadians have been treated this way. And historically we
actually liked Canadians. We don't weat as American, we know
nothing about Canada. We like Canada. Canada is fine, right,
we don't mind them, but even Canadians, I mean, show
them the Canadian.

Speaker 11 (43:47):
Cloney is a Canadian citizen who had a work visa,
no criminal record, and quote, we're gonna get freezing cement
cell with bright fluorescent lights and a toilet. There were
five other women lying on their maps with aluminum sheets
wrapped over them, looking like dead bodies.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
The guard locked the door behind me.

Speaker 11 (44:09):
She added quote. I was told to shower, given a
jail uniform, fingerprinted, and interviewed. I begged for information. How
long will I be here? I don't know your case,
the man said, could be days, could be weeks. But
I'm telling you right now you need to mentally prepare
yourself for months.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
I want to hear all of you talk about Sarah first.
What would you do if you were her? You don't
have a phone call, You're stuck in the You're stuck
in the pokey, you can't get out. Yeah, maybe weeks,
maybe days, maybe months. The guys telling you prepare mentally
for months, what would you do?

Speaker 5 (44:50):
Well. I'm grateful to come from a family that is
like Liam Neeson and Taken. If I go missing, they
come looking okay. I've got a bunch of people that
have my birth I really I can't go miss him
for long. Literally, if I don't talk to my parents,
like if I miss a day, they're like, is everything okay?

Speaker 4 (45:07):
What's going on?

Speaker 5 (45:08):
So I'm grateful for that, but also I feel like
the fact that these people think it's okay to treat
a human being worse than a dog in a kennel.
Dogs in kennels have more space, get more love, and
more compassion than these people that are crammed together like
sardines in a gate. I am not an animal, and

(45:31):
so for me, my question is what repercussions are there
for the people that are wrongly choosing the wrong people?
Because that Canadian woman kind of work visas, so this
is another example of how they It's like, oh yeah,
if we got it wrong, it's just wrong. Oh no,
there needs to be some sort of legal repercussion that
you could take. I'm suing. Something has to You can't

(45:52):
accidentally grab me.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
But you know what, Sarah, You know, when you sue,
you are speaking to the department of justice that is
controlled by right and we don't care right. And the
judge who you may see in your suit perhaps was
appointed by Trump or hopes to move up. Because so
it's very difficult to have any sort of recourse. I

(46:15):
just want to remind folks before I hear from Dimitri
what he would do that these people. The Supreme Court
has said being in the country illegally in and of
itself is not a crime. So just being here, having
crossed the border is not a crime. And the crime
of crossing the border is a misdemeanor. It's not a felony.

(46:35):
So this notion of like their criminals, they should be like, no.
And you know what, people who are in this country
illegally pay taxes. They have payroll taxes, they have taxes
on their rent or if they should own a home,
so they are paying into the system. So they are
not freeloaders. There is not this notion of the immigrants
commit less crime than natural born citizens. So there's not

(46:58):
this notion that they are takers, they are criminals. All
these are myths that are grapped onto immigrants in this
country and other countries to make them look bad. But okay,
Dmitria the guide tell the ice guy grabs you. You're like,
I'm Dmetri Wiley from Truth Talks. He's like, I don't care.
Get in the cell. You may be in there for months.

(47:21):
What do you do.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
I'm gonna be honest with you, man, And this is
the complete truth. It might be the end of me
that day, reason being because I go from Dmitri widely
on truth talks to black men who will not be
contained or detained and treated like an animal. So it
may be the end of me. I don't want to
say there's this rage or anything like that that lives

(47:45):
inside of me, but there is this fight for freedom.
And I know, for Funck Suwing, my freedom's more than
a thousand dollars. I know it's more than ten thousand dollars,
a million dollars, all of that. And it couldn't be
me days, weeks, months, hour. I need the answers now
or me and everybody in this cage. I'm convincing them
to break this door down and freedom.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Doctor b You know, I'm a You know there's a
fight or flight, and you can't fight right because you're
in the cage. You're in captives.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
So what do you do? You fight?

Speaker 4 (48:16):
And fighting isn't always an external thing. I loved Dmitri said.
But for me, I'd be starting to build allyships. I'd
be starting to see how I can put relationships with
the guards, with the officers, with whoever arrested me. I
don't care who it is. You know, there's a thing
called white privilege. Yeah, but there's also a thing called
pretty girl privilege, and that's something I know I got.
If I have to stand on that and whatever other

(48:36):
privilege I have, I'd have to use that to be
able to make my call, to be able to reach out,
to be able to get out. It doesn't make a
difference when it comes to my freedom and when it
comes to my livelihood. There's a lot of privileges that
I do know I have and that I am definitely
willing to use.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Well, you definitely have pretty girl privilege, that's for sure.
But the White House has been using photographs let's see
that video of immigrants that they have arrested, not convicted,
but arrested, and put these outside the White House. These
people have not been convicted, but this prejudices and this

(49:10):
affects their lives because people could walk by this, see this,
see this video and go, oh, there's that guy, and
you think of him as a criminal. You're not supposed
to think of people as criminals until they've been convicted,
not just for un arrest. There is a due process
conversation in this country, or we adjudicate whether or not
you're a criminal, not just because somebody said arrest you.

(49:31):
But my God, this is horrific.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Yeah, I thought that I had to live real good.
I thought that was me or one of them goddamn pictures.
I'm set my goddamn picture. But in all actuality, for me,
this feels a little too close, a little too close
to what lynching used to be. Mmm. But when you
were killed back in the day, they put the new
surround your neck, tie you from a tree and leave

(49:55):
you there? Why as public display? Mmm? And this is
exactly what this feels like to me. It feels as
if we have power over these people and we're going
to show you each and every one of them. Because
my thing about it is this Trump, for example, we
have all these convicted people, not even convicted I'm sorry,
arrested people, we showing on his love. But the person

(50:19):
in charge who probably ordered all of this shit to happen,
it's a convict. So for me, none of it makes sense.
Is again, where is America going? What are we doing?
How are we regressing? So obviously it's it's insane.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
You know, this is a really personal issue for a
lot of people. I'm sure there's some folks in our
audience who may have been detained by ice or know somebody,
a family member, what have you. We would love to
hear from you. We would love to hear your story
and understand on the first person level what you're going
through and what happened in that situation, because these are

(50:59):
really fright and when these arrests happen because of political reasons.
You are a supporter of Palestine, that's what it is
right now. It could next be you're a supporter of
trans people, and then it could be you're a supporter
of the Democratic Party. And when we're having people arrested, detained,

(51:20):
deported over their political ideas, this is not America.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
Right at all. Well it just makes me think like,
if this is what they're showing so blatantly in our
face and so publicly at the White House, imagine what
they're doing in dark celles. Imagine what they're doing on
these unmarked locations where they're bringing these people and we
don't even know when they disappear. Imagine how much power

(51:48):
and authority those people that are detaining them feel like
they have, just like the officers we saw in the
prior video that are aggressively and strongly forcing a woman
to the ground, or strongly and aggressively putting someone's arms
behind their back, like just imagine because if they whatever
they show you in your face, please believe, it's ten

(52:09):
times worse behind closed doors. So I even a doctor
b you said about pretty privilege. This is the thing.
If someone thinks you're an animal, it doesn't matter how
beautiful you are. And that's why this is so unfair,
because it is inhumane. They're not treating us like the
beautiful women or handsome men or incredible people like we are.
They are treating us like animals, which is so ironic

(52:31):
because our president Trump has thirty four counts of fepanies.
How is it that this man is able to say, oh,
you need to leave because you were a rapist and
you were a killer, and you were this. You're pulling
people holding newborns from their homes with families.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
And the thing is that some dimitri some people in
America like this. Some people in America voted for this.
They want to see the cruelty Trump as very effectively
weaponize this vision of us and them and them must
be dealt with violently.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Yeah, but this is a lot of people's way for
the ones who voted him in office of quote unquote
making America great again. This is what they meant by
making America great again. And to answer Sarah's question, I
just said it. Our president has given himself, through his
strategic plans, qualified immunity. So technically, this man could do anything,

(53:33):
even as far as put a hit out on somebody
while he's in office, and he will not be prosecuted
for it. That's what qualified immunity is. It is dangerous
for him to have that. A person in power should
not have that type of community. He also is going
as far as making sure that law enforcement has qualified immunity.
You know what that means, Dimitri. They can pull you over,

(53:55):
beat your ass, and shoot you if they feel like it.
And guess what, they don't they are protect him from
being prosecuted. They still get their pension, they still have
their job. And guess what, we have to plan your
funeral and we have to warn you. It is a
dangerous thing when we have a dangerous man who is
a clown in a circus and he has qualified immuni
to protect himself from whatever decision he decides to make.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
I mean, you know, I don't know that we should
look at twenty twenty eight as the end of Trump.
I think we should be prepared that he will do
something that will lead to more years of Trump, and
then in twenty twenty nine he will continue to be president.
He may cancel the election altogether. He may threaten the

(54:40):
states that might want to vote against him. I don't
think we're going to see some like repeal of the
twenty second where it's Obama versus Trump who gets the
third term. It'll be Trump just destroying our our democracy,
the same way we're seeing in these sort of ice stories.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Good.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
Yeah, because foray, he said that he's said that once
you vote me in for president, what did he say,
you would never have to vote again.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
The man tells us his plans that he has continuously
carried out.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Before. About like what happens in the shadows is perhaps
even worse. I'm not sure, only because Trump consistently puts
it out in the front. If he didn't tell us, hey, Russia,
go look for Hillary's emails, if he didn't let us
see the corruption of the meme coins and the kil
mar Brego Garcia stuff like, we wouldn't know, Like if

(55:35):
that none of it, if that's up with secret, it
would be a big deal. But he just does it
out in public. He says things that other people say it.
He says it out in public, and we're like, surely
taking a four hundred million dollar plane is corruption, and
they're like, but he did it out in public, so
it's not corruption, Like it's ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
Good Sarah, Well, I think the thing that comes up
for me inside of this is, first of all, I
have a question, and we could get to that after,
but the question is why is this even the focus?
There are so many things that need to be done
and addressed in this country. Why this is really? Look,
I'm not the politic girl. You guys know that I
have conservative thoughts, I have critical thinking ideas, But why

(56:13):
is this the focus? And then the other question is
once this starts to go where he is deporting and
he is this cruel and he is this terrible, is
it not a matter of time until he's now able
to do that to blacks?

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Yeah, because it's not us. No, I think that that
is absolutely a very real potential future. Like I said,
we're seeing a lot of pro Palestinian activists being spotlighted, grabbed, detained, deported.
This happened to multiple people, not just the mood Khalil.

(56:47):
So yeah, I mean, like as you get further along
in like political dissidents, like absolutely, we could see Trump
start to say Patrice Culors, Deuray McKesson, like you know,
whoever black lives, letter of leaders, NAACP leaders, uh, you know,
all sorts of things that absolutely could happen. He clearly
sees black people as a threat, which is why we

(57:08):
see the DEI stuff and all the other stuff that
he talks about. So yeah, that could happen. I mean,
I'm absolutely personally afraid that one day somebody could detain
me that out of the Trump administration, Like that could
absolutely happen, and I live in fear of that, and Demitri,

(57:29):
I don't. I don't know if you feel afraid of that.
But just us being in public speaking and being critical
of the Trump administration, I do with TikTok. A bunch
of hundred thousand people see it criticizing Trump, who knows
that he's not gonna say shut him up.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Even further back to doctor Brian and what she mentioned.
They talking about the thing about it is we all vote,
we all let me almost fucked up. They voted this
man in right, and they knew exactly what they were
doing when they did it. He told you everything he
was going to do with the slogan make America great again.
You tell me when the fuck America's great? When was

(58:05):
it ever good to us? Somebody please tell me, because
he wasn't for the two thousand and four. You can
go to any point in history. The US government has
never been good to us. It didn't exist. But now
we're regressing because this man is in office. We're going
back to what slavery used to look like. And it's
in bits and it's in pieces, in bits and pieces.

(58:28):
Only because he's alive, he was smart enough to say, listen,
guys at the KKK meeting, listen, guys, I know how
we can get it back out there. We just got
to do it a step at a time. And that's
exactly what the fuck he's been doing. So this honestly
seen a lot of this coming. It's terrifying, terrifying. But
now question becomes, are we ready to handle it.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
This way?

Speaker 4 (58:54):
How he gassed like black people really quick? He said
birth citizenship, meaning if you were born here, you get
the citizenship right. He said, Birse citizenship was created for
black slaves, not for anybody else but the black slaves
that were brought over here. So would he try to
feed us and sell to us as black people? Is Look,
I'm doing this for you. I'm getting these people out

(59:14):
of here because you're the only ones that deserve citizenship.
That is our way of giving you back your your
you know, giving you back your your your equity that
we took away from you. This is how we do.
And then he went on to say that you know, also,
you know, black folks, you don't want these immigrants in
this country. You know why because they're taking your jobs.
They're taking the job first of all, when I sat

(59:37):
and asked about hundreds of employees about our minds and
constituencies that are black, would you take any of these jobs?
I'm going to speak at how I said it that
because I'm Mexican and black, I can say this that
our meskin brothers and sisters have the guard me the electrician.
You know what they said, Hell no, they said, hell no,
will you go.

Speaker 5 (59:57):
Crop the crop?

Speaker 4 (59:58):
So what I'm looking at it is Trump and I'll
wrap on this. It's trying to get in his vision,
get these immigrants out of here so that he can
make all those back black jobs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
But watch this.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Those black jobs he keeps calling black jobs were the
exact same jobs we had in slavery. So you want
to talk about modern day slavery, you want to talk
about him creating a pathway to make America great again
when America was great for one race of people, when
we the black people, were picking cotton, cropping, harvesting, and
doing all the other things that our Latin Mexican brown

(01:00:31):
brothers and sisters are doing today. So that is his
way of making America great again, putting us back in slavery.
But guess what I know for sure, we're not going
for that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
You're absolutely right that it's about making America great again
four white people and restoring white people to the sense
of dominance that they have expected to have throughout their lives.
It feels like, and to what you're saying, when he
talks about black jobs, he's talking about working class jobs,

(01:01:00):
menial labor, right, things that most people don't want to do.
When you are removing black people from the middle class
by eliminating DEI and affirmative action, you are trying to
push us down into working class jobs and a working
class existence. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being working class.
I'm talking about Trump trying to push the masses of

(01:01:23):
us down into that we need to expand our middle
class so we can have a fruitful economy. If you
siphon out the middle class and push us down to
the working class, then that is bad for the entire
Black community. And this is basically what the Trumps are
trying to do. And you know, I can't even imagine

(01:01:44):
what would happen if like George Floyd happened and we
were out in the streets in a BLM sort of
way of twenty twenty again and Trump started doing these
sorts of things, right, I mean, like you would be
incredibly chilling in that people would not want to talk
because I might get arrested.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
Good Sarah, I mean, I agree with you. I think
everything that you're saying is the truth. I feel like
this is a way to build it all up for
black people, And the question is is that really the
actual war? By taking out the strongest thing that's here,
because we, like I've said many and I will continue
to say it, scream it from the rooftops, we are

(01:02:22):
some of the most resilient, strong figure it out kinds
of people on the planet because of what we've been through,
and somehow, even with all of the setbacks, we continue
to thrive a little bit, then we get set back,
then we thrive a little bit more, then we get
set back again, then we thrive a little bit more.
And so I would say, just like Dimitri said, it's
piece by piece by piece, Now was the time to

(01:02:42):
start having this conversation because those pieces add up to
a whole. One day we might look up and it
is black people getting detained for no reason. It is oh, well,
I'm a dual citizen. Well, if you have a passport
with Canada, you can't be an American citizen. It is
all of these new laws and legislations, legislators that could
be put in place based off of a man that

(01:03:03):
isn't It's a dictatorship.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Got to be last thing. Are we building up to
a war on black people from Trump?

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
I think we're building up to similar to what you
just said, Torade, black people being suppressed more, being oppressed more,
and becoming more of the labor workers. And I want
to say this as black people, as a as a
successful strong black woman run the biggest servirces organization and
representing for all of us in the best way that

(01:03:36):
I can. We are more than labor workers. We are
more than middle class. We are more than poor. We
are more than inner city. We are more than uneducated.
We are more than broken families, broken homes. We are contractors,
we are business owners. We are elected officials. We are
presidents of the United States of America thanks to Obama
who gave us that representation. Okay, we can run for office,

(01:03:56):
we can run office, we can strategize, we can do
all of those things, and it's up to us to
make sure that we keep pressing the throttle, breaking the
glass ceiling, and letting them know that whether you want
us at the table or not, we got a chair,
we got a seat, and if we got to sit
on the motherfucking table, then we're sit right on that thing.
But we hear, we have a voice, and we are

(01:04:16):
not going to stop regardless of what that looks like.
That's what's most important. No matter what his strategy is
or what his plan is. Let's go back to what
is our plan? What are we gonna do? What does
that look like from us? When do we start to
create that, When do we start to think that way.
We got to stop caring about his plan and figure
out what is ours, What offens are we playing, what

(01:04:38):
defense are we playing, What are we doing Besides having
a great conversation about it, I'm tired of thinking about it.
We need call of actions, We need people in place,
and we need leadership that knows how to move things,
mobilize people, and get things done.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
To be treating you know, absolutely, but I think more
than just desensitizing the world with how he's been treating
immigrants and folks who Latin descent, It's about building up
confidence in those who are racist enough to look at
the world and say they.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Can do it.

Speaker 7 (01:05:10):
I can do it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Those are my people doing this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
It starts.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
It starts with arrest on the front lawn on the
White House, and then you got the George Zimmerwins of
the world. There's things on their front line identifying the
black people they've killed. I think it's a start. It's
a starting point, and that's all he's given them and
to me, to me, as a black man in America,
I ain't going for it. And I know there's plenty

(01:05:35):
of black people in America who will not going for it.
It's time to fight back strategically.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
That is No, You're absolutely right, and it's a very
difficult moment for Black America. We think a lot. I
think a lot about black time travel, right, Like you said,
is there any point in time I would rather go
back to in America? No, not at all. But this
moment right here is extraordinarily difficult for us as well. Well. Right,

(01:06:00):
we're not enslaved, but there's a massive wealth inequality. We
have a massive policing problem, and we have Trump who
is perhaps the most anti black president maybe ever, maybe
since slavery. We could argue about people who actually held
slaves are worse than him, but this is pretty bad.
And this is an attack on DEEI. This is an
attack on our bodies. This is an attack on our

(01:06:21):
freedom and our liberty. And I think black people are
going to need to do a lot of self care
to get through these next four to eight years that
we are stuck with Trump. He's gonna go out feet first.
This is a wonderful episode. I love you guys. You
brought your heart and your soul and all the things

(01:06:42):
to give it up for yourselves. For keeping it real. Dmitri,
you should be a rapper because you just give me
bars is it? Black power is worse for the country
than black criminals.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
That I'm losing. I'm selling it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
We're not going to quote it, we just we just it.
It's just ours now, mar For those of you that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:09):
Are listening or watching, let us know in the comments
below if you know someone that has been detained, or
if you have been detained, we want to hear your story.
We want to know what's happening out there. So if
this is you or someone you know, please comment below.
Your story matters, You matter, and we're going to continue
to have these kinds of conversations because this is what
shifts the trajectory of our future.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Thank you, heymen, Sarah, Doctor, Brian Dimitri. Fantastic show. These
guys are gonna be with us all season long, truth talks,
keeping it real. We're gonna have amazing guest stars also,
DL Hugh Lee and k Williams, Mark labat Ill, all
sorts of fabulous, brilliant black minds coming in. But I

(01:07:51):
love chopping it up with these three right here, because
these these this is this is beautiful. This is beautiful
black brilliance.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Thank you so much.

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(01:08:21):
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Speaker 5 (01:08:24):
Bye. B.