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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Thank you Roland for the powerful leading so proud to
be part of the Roland Martin Unfiltered Network. Keep doing
your thing for the people. We are proud to follow
you with Truth Talks, the show that shines a light
in dark places and brings the barbecue to the public.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Let's go. Are y'a all ready to roll? Let's go.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Welcome in truth Tellers. This is Truth Talk season two.
We were hot to death on Fox Soul last season,
but we moved to a new platform, Roland Martin Unfiltered,
the Black Star Network, so we could be bigger, blacker,
and more unapologetic than ever. We have our doctor Viral
Star from last year still with us holding it down.

(01:09):
The core of the team, the superstar doctor Shyanne Brian.
How are you?

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Thank you? Torre? What's up?

Speaker 4 (01:15):
True?

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Tell us you heard my brother Torre. We were the
number one show on Fox so first season and we
are definitely about to proceed that this season. Got some
hots up for y'all today. Can't wait for you guys
to meet our new co hosts and we ought to
hear our different perspectives on these really great chenny topics.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Speaking about new co host doctor Sarah Fauntna was part
of the show last season. Now she's even bigger part
of the show this season. Welcome to the team, Sarah,
what's up.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I'm so happy to be here.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
This is for my people back home that want to
take accountability. We are not playing victim to anything. We
are taking our power because truth talks. Let's get it, y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
And we have from the lover Boy Podcast, Dmitri to
me the love I'm sorry, I messed up the dame
of your show. What is the name of your show?

Speaker 6 (02:04):
Brother, Lost love Boy the Lost lover Boy Podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
I forgot because you're here, you're not. I'm going to
meet you Wiley, the Lost lover Boy Podcast. Holding down
the Belloennials and the old Zuebers. What's up?

Speaker 7 (02:16):
Hey, Listen, I'm only here because my grandma told me
to be, so I appreciate y'all.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Sarah, you're a part of the show last season, I
was not. Can you give you a little clue of
what we're trying to do this season?

Speaker 5 (02:27):
Yes, of course. So it's just amplifying black voices. I
personally am coming from a more conservative voice, so I
know y'all about to be all up in my comments
but that's okay. I'm here for it because, like I said,
truth talks, and no matter what you hear, there's gonna
be something that you hear back in your home or
in your car, wherever you may be, that you relate to.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, for sure. We're four different people, four different perspectives,
different generations, different political ideals, So it's going to be
an argument. But we love each other. But we want
to hear from you in the comments, what you want
us to talk about. Where we're going with it. Let's
get into it trending truths. That's how we're going to start.
Story number one, Oh boy, y'all, The Diddy Trial, the

(03:09):
Trial of the country. This is wild and Kid Cutty
was on the stand this week. He called Didy a
marvel super villain and described how did he broke into
his house after Cassie told him where he lived. And
Cutty is dropping Cassie off at the hotel, putting making

(03:30):
sure that she's safe, and Diddy is like, I'm in
your house. So he calls Diddy and he's like, are
you in my house? And he's like, yes, I am
here waiting. Can you imagine like you're not at home
and Didny is in your house waiting for you. Then
he allegedly blew up his county's Porsche right after threatening

(03:50):
to do it. So this was some of the wildest
testimony that we've had thus far. To meet you, how
do you feel about this whole situation, the kid Cutty
conversation about what Diddy was doing to him, how he's
trying to control him. Uh, this is this is Cutty
leaving the courthouse after testifying.

Speaker 7 (04:11):
You know, for me, honestly, it's really given mojo jojo,
like doctor Dookie. He's really given like good evil villain.
And it's funny to me because I think it alludes
to how powerful these people are. But just like you

(04:32):
see a modern movies, modern cartoons and everything, the villain
always gives themselves away.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Before you are you say.

Speaker 7 (04:39):
I will blow up your car like you always giving
yourself away. For me, it's actually crazy how much power
this man possesses and how it can be manipulated in
people's lives, And it's actually.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Kind of scary, Doctor b You know what part of
what happened here is that I feel like Cassie looked
to Cutty to try to save her, and he's literally
trying to save her this evening, right, and he ends
up wanting to confront Diddy physically because he's trying to
save Cassie. Complicated situation when the brother is like, I'm

(05:12):
trying to save the sister and now I'm like in
this battle with this maniac.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, that's what happens.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
You know.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
They said allegedly she left and was in some hotel
room and called cut in and said, hey, come get me,
and he did show up, and he did come and
get her, and so you know, he was trying to
do his what dating her boyfriend row of trying to
save her. But at the end of the day, the
saving has to come from Cassie, right, She has to
want again to figure out how to save herself, figure

(05:41):
out how to get out of the situation, because, as
you see, anyone she comes in contact with, whoever's in
proximity with her, ends up being effect or a direct
risk and a threat from Diddy. So it's almost like
anyone involved in the situation, as we see in the
in the court proceedings, are all a part of his

(06:02):
power and his control.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, Sarah, this is what Cassie talked about that after
this whole situation with Cuddy. She went back to Ditty
because in her mind, her calculus was, if I stay
with him, then both of us will get hurt. But
if I go back to him and neither me nor
Cutty will get hurt. Like this is the way that

(06:24):
she's thinking in the midst of this traumatized situation.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Go Sarah, Yeah, you know, I pity.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
I pity the mindset that is stuck inside of a victim,
that is stuck inside of low self worthing and to
an extent a level of self hate. Right, it's crazy
because two things happened when he was in Ditty's house.
Did you guys know that allegedly Diddy had put the
dog in the bathroom? You lock the dog up in
the bathroom while you were sitting in this man's house.

(06:52):
And I just feel like that's such a depiction of
how he is. He is such a power and control freak.
It's the same thing that he's done to He put
her in the bathroom, He put her in the freak costs.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
He put her.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Wherever he wanted to move her. That's what he does,
and he gets away with it, but with good reason.
When you think about how this man literally blew up
Cutty's car without you know when, and he said, you know,
what are we going to do about my car? When
he was testifying and did he said, what do you mean?

Speaker 7 (07:20):
You know?

Speaker 5 (07:20):
So it's just it's crazy how he continues to get
her away with all of the things that he gets
away with. But you know, I just it's hard for
me to relate to someone that is a victim mindset.
It's a really big challenge for me because I've been
through that, moved to a whole country by myself at
twenty years old.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
No, I know, but then you survived it with all
the resources you have, family, church, all the things that
set you up to survive that situation, and thank god
you did. And I'm uncomfortable using your success in that moment,
in your moment of trauma and challenge, to judge what

(07:59):
she should have done in her moment of challenge and
trauma when she and I would think that your experience
would lead you to the understanding of how difficult it
is for her, rather than judge her. I feel like
you're judging her.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
Well, I'm observing her, right, It's not a judgment as
much as for me, it feels like an observation. My
observation is eleven years is a really long time to
be getting abused, and it really just gets worse and
worse over time. And so when that time is focused on,
you've already established that you have a predator and you
have the prey and she's going to keep showing up
and she just wants to be loved so bad. You know,

(08:34):
it's like, eleven years is a long time. When it happened,
whether it was year one, year three, year five, year seven,
or year ten, you should know it's time to go
at some point.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
To be tre this man did. He screamed me on
at least two occasions, and the power differential I wasn't
working for him, But I'm in the music I'm in
the music industry general sphere as a journalist, as a reporter,
so you know, it was it was very difficult, right

(09:07):
and you understand the massive power imbalance between you and
this other person and it you know, I mean, he
was threatening to be right, and I'm like you, I
don't think you can actually hurt me because you're not
gonna call my publication and get me fired. But it
was definitely like a traumatizing situation. That you understand. You

(09:28):
see like power, like showing itself to you, and it's
it's it's difficult. And Cutty is dealing with that as well,
like getting showing like power on him.

Speaker 7 (09:40):
Absolutely, And I think this is not about Cassie to
any degree, Like this exact conversation is not about casting.
And the reason why I say that is regardless of
how you frame that, a look at that. Look how
powerful this man is. You break in my goddamn house?
How first off, how you get in my house? Like
if I locked my keys out my head house, I
can't even get in my own house.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
He cut cut He got a house that's way bigger
than that. You never know, plenty of entry points.

Speaker 7 (10:09):
Hey listen, But all I'm saying is the thing about
it is for a man to enter your domain and
don't think you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Shoot his ass call the police.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Pretty different.

Speaker 7 (10:20):
He's pretty fucking untouchable. And the audacity, that's one, but two. Right,
Look look look at kid cut. He keep his signing
for so long. He's scared and regardless if he like
you said, he's yelled at you and you've seen it personally.
There's people living everyday lives who are afraid to talk
back to their employer, who afraid to stand up to

(10:42):
themselves in front of who they actually work for.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
This man just got motherfuckers in fear. You don't even
work for him.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Let's move on to another really important story that it's
really difficult to deal with. It's really weighing heavily on
my heart, something that I want like every black person
to know about, because we got to talk about stories
like this so it doesn't die. Kneer and missr Lewis
are two nineteen year old twins who back in early

(11:13):
March were found dead at the top of this mountain
in North Georgia in an area that those of us
who have spent time in Atlanta like me, I went
to Emory. We know the area where they were found.

Speaker 6 (11:26):
Is clan Ish area, Clan area.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
So like, you know, watch yourself right. The Bureau of
Investigation came in and said, oh, it's a double suicide
case closed. Let's move on this man, Scott Curlin, this
white man found the bodies, took photographs of them and
tweeted those photographs, so he was arrested for that. The

(11:52):
family is like, let's look at him. The Georgia Bureau
of Investigation is like, we're done, We're moving on. The
family is like, no, there's no way they killed themselves.
They were very happy, they were not depressed. They had
plans in the future. So but there is internet searches
from them saying how do you kill yourself? How do

(12:12):
you load a gun? So there's a lot on both sides,
Doctor b And I'm not really sure what's going on here.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Let me say this. I stand with the family. I
think the family should continue to press until they figure
out exactly what happened to their boys. You know, it
was said that they used one gun to take two lives,
which means one brother had to kill the other brother,
watch him die and suffer, and then in return kill

(12:42):
himself all in one one scenario. Not saying that that's
not possible, but saying that that doesn't sound believable with
the evidence that we have. The other thing is suicide
is at an all time high within the black male community,
and so this time right into the statistics, right, the
evidence isn't matching up. Though these boys went to an airport,

(13:06):
they never bought up their flight. They went camping, but
one hundred miles somewhere else that they never camped to.
So all of it is just I feel like there's
so many moving parts that for the family just to
fall back and say, hey, yeah, this was a suicide,
it is not something that I think they should do.
I think they should continue to push. They should get
organizations that are going to help them. And I think
this white guy, Scott or whatever, I don't even he

(13:29):
doesn't even deserve for us to say his name to
get the recognition. Okay, who tweeted these babies pictures of
their dead bodies should be under felony charges in doing
jail time for a very very very long time. And
I'll end with this. When you tweet something like that
out that, it's called secondary trauma. Okay, every single person

(13:53):
who was looking at that, regardless of their race or
their creed where they have kids, are not are traumatized
to the second. This man needs to be charged for
those charges as well. I think it's a sad story.
It breaks my heart and I really truly hope that
they find justice.

Speaker 7 (14:08):
Let me true, you know, that's a funny, funny word
you use their doctor Bryant justice.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Right.

Speaker 7 (14:16):
The thing about black people, black culture, us me being
an African American man.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
I'm very aware of this. If a black death is mysterious,
come on, if it's mysterious, it's often ignored.

Speaker 7 (14:30):
It's a black death, it's obvious, it's still denied.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
There is no justice for black death.

Speaker 7 (14:37):
We get we don't get justice, We get explanations.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
And that's that's my problem.

Speaker 7 (14:43):
When something happens with white death or in white culture,
whatever the case is, when it happens there they go
Sherlock Holmes. We gotta stick with Chief Wiggams from the
fucking sentence, like, how the fuck? How are you better
the moment, the shifts. I don't understand it personally, honestly,

(15:04):
being a black man is terrifying out here and knowing
I got a black son that I have to protect
one day. You look at the statistics, like y'all saying
the facts of everything, this is KKK territory they were
found in, Like, let's be honest here.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
I'm just lost for words.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
And I agree with you, Dimitri, because it feels like
we don't matter yet again because the problem for me
is this white man, Scott is a firefighter, So you
mean to tell me this is a person that's supposed
to save lives. This is an authority figure and he's
defiling bodies like this on then the fact that that

(15:42):
is even in alignment with someone that's supposed to save
people is absolutely absurdity. And you know, we've talked about
the suicide rate and how it's been spiking over fifty
percent from twenty thirteen to twenty nineteen. Why because there's
again this pushed out rhetoric and agenda that says and
these actions that show we don't matter, Like you said, Dimitri,

(16:03):
we don't get justice, we get explanations. They're ready to
close this down like this. Why because it's easier to
give an explanation to the family. I do have to
say this because there's some weird stuff happening in this case.
Why did the boys google how to commit suicide? Why
did one of the boys order ammunition three days prior

(16:27):
to the suicide And at first they thought it was
a suicide murder or murder suicide, and then they said
it was a suicide suicide. So you mean to tell me,
but the gun had their prince, each had their prince
on one gun. So you mean to tell me that
one brother shot himself, the other brother went and got

(16:47):
the gun to then shoot himself.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, make any sense.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
So why are you ordering ammunition? Why are you googling suicide?
Why is this white man finding you in in the
middle of the before we even knew that you guys
were gone nose.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
To There's Those are all great questions. I have all
those questions. There's so much sort of mystery and cloak,
and here it's very opaque. I don't really believe that
they that there was a suicide here. And it ties
into what Dimiti was talking about. As far as the
fear of being black, a black man in this country,
I have. I am way more afraid of the police

(17:29):
and whatever you know, Proud Boys KKK, all the white
supremacist organizations that still exist in many of those people
are in the police force. We have a whole segment
on that. I'm more afraid of them than any criminal
in this country. Right Like, I I feel like I
am far more likely to get shot or hurt from
a cop or a white civilian rather than somebody who

(17:51):
I'm supposed to think is a black criminal, Right like,
that is my real fear right and to sort of
have my life ended or have my children's lives and
out of something like this, right, like a weirdo white
people trying to come in and like take us out
sort of situation because I'm not buying the suit I
take at all. We're gonna have to keep an eye
on this case because this is a lot of questions

(18:15):
important young I mean, these are two young people, these
are two lives just the beginning of their time. We
have to support the family by continuing to talk about
this story and not letting it die. Hopefully at some
point we can get some sort of closure. Dabiti, you

(18:35):
have one more thought on this.

Speaker 7 (18:37):
I think I think I've dealt with suicide. I've dealt
with mental health issues. I've been there. I understand as
a black man the weight of everything going on and
how terrible it can be, and how much you have
to live in fear with the pressure of the world. Already,
I'm gonna tell you something. I attempted to take my
own life and I'm still here, so thank God. But

(18:59):
if I was going to take my life out of travel,
of my own home, and all I'm saying is, you
have to be able to move into the minds of
someone who's actually dealing with the mental illness you ain't
got to travel to the woods to do so, you
do it right where you stand. If that's how it is.
But you know, it's a heavy case. Let's please keep

(19:19):
an eye.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
It's it's powerful that you acknowledge that that you've had
suicidal ideation in your life. I have had suicidal ideation
moments in my life. And the place was a huge
challenge because I'm like, I feel comfortable at home. I
can get access to the things at home I can do.

(19:40):
But by god, I could never have my children and
my wife walk in and like and he's there, and
then they have to so I would have to leave
the house. And then once it says like you have
to leave the house to do it, well, then you know,
then it's becomes a very very complicated. And I don't
think this case is about suicide at all. So let's
keep an eye on these on this story as the

(20:01):
months and years go on, because this is an important
one that we have to we have to keep an
eye on this at least for the families to support
them in that way.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, ink on, hold on, Torre and Demitria, think both
of you as black men for being vulnerable, vulnerable enough
to share that with us, because that is huge and
someone's going to hear that, and I hope that they
are very inspired by your boldness and your your courageousness
to share their So I got to say thank you,
because brothers don't speak up on it enough. I'm in

(20:31):
this bill for seventeen eighteen years. I love you, brothers.
I'm happy you did not go through with it. I'm
happy that ideation did not turn into a naturalization, and
I'm so grateful that y'all share that with me. So seriously,
I love you all.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Thank you. I mean, you know, keep in mind, I'm
sure you've seen this in your in your work doctor Briant,
that that the suicidal intent is not like that person
is suicidal and they'll just try and try and no,
you you are. You have depression and then you have
moments of spike where you're like I can't deal with
it anymore. But if you can find a way to
get through that day, then it goes down and then

(21:06):
you're back at your baseline of depression and like maybe
you could like so you if you can hang on,
then you can get to a safer place emotionally and
keep but please talk to a professional like doctor Brian.
If you're like, don't just rely on your friends, don't
just rely on the internet, like, go talk to a
professional who is trained to help you in those situations.

(21:27):
There's hotlines, there's therapy professionals like doctor Brian and others
that you can find like every you could talk to
somebody five minutes from now. So like there's no excuse, right,
and there's no more stigma. So let's let's involve the.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Professional and just why don't you want to learn by
no Call nine eight eight, which is a suicide hotline
for those who may not be able to get into
session quick enough, who you don't want to call nine
on one, you'll be on hole forever. Call nine eight eight,
which is a suicide high line hotline, and that is nationwide,
so no matter where are you at, you can call
that and get some help.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
So I know someone who probably wanted to call nine
to one one recently. Let's move into the politicking part
of the show. The President of South Africa Syria, Cyril Ramfosa,
surely wanted to call nine one one after his crazy
wild beating in the White House with Trump. Look message

(22:19):
to world leaders, if you go to the Oval office.
It's a trap. He's going to screw you over. You
don't want to be there. Trump shows his brother to
the White House and then educates him on South Africa.
Trump is lecturing the president of South Africa about the
white genocide that is not happening currently in South Africa,

(22:43):
showing pictures show let's show the video.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
Learn it's a lot of there's a lot of hatred,
there's a lot of a lot of death.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
It's a bloodbath. So it is.

Speaker 7 (22:54):
I get the Unfortunately I get the satellite pictures of
that field, of that killing field.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
You ain't never said anything like it in your It's horrible.
It's a horrible thing that.

Speaker 8 (23:04):
Goes on.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
There. There is not a white genocide happening in South Africa, period,
full stop. But Trump wants to have a conversation about
something that's not happening.

Speaker 7 (23:19):
To Betri gut the real land ground here was fucking colonialism, Like,
let's be honest, So don't fucking cry for sympathy for
white farmers. And you saying it's the worst you've ever seen.
What the fuck does the history book show? Because I
was a kid in school, what I had to go
through in the videos, I watched.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
I guarantee you was. It was not forty It was
forty million, honest month.

Speaker 7 (23:42):
And it's to me, it's a bit of same insane
because I know exactly who this is. I'm watching the
thing about Trump, right, I'm watching a businessman.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
You didn't fly that men for South Africa for sympathy
of this strategic busy. This was for sympathy. You want
to see what I'm saying, and I'm disgusted.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Let's I want to play you one of my favorite
comedians of all time, the Little Bit from George carl And,
this brilliant intellectual comedian who talked a lot about politics
and had an amazing way of encapsulating basically America's colonialist
history on a.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Very basic double standard.

Speaker 8 (24:25):
This country was founded by slave owners who wanted to
be free.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Am I right?

Speaker 7 (24:35):
A group of slave owners who wanted to be free, so.

Speaker 8 (24:39):
They killed a lot of white English people in order
to continue owning their black African people so they could
wipe out the rest of the red Indian people and
move west and steal the rest of the land from
the brown Mexican people, giving them a place to take
off and drop their nuclear weapons on the yellow Japanese
people off. You know what the motto of this country
ought to be.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
You give us a color, We'll wipe it out. Sarah.
You know one of the parts of this story that
makes me go, oh, now, I understand what's really going on.
South Africa is leading a charge in international diplomacy and
courts against Israel and against their genocide of Palestine. That's

(25:18):
why part of why Trump wants to have the South
African president in to try to wrap him on the knuckles.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
Yeah, I agree, And you guys know, I like looking
at the facts before I try to draw any conclusion,
and this is what we know. We know that it
has been reported that there were nineteen thousand, six and
ninety six murders in South Africa in twenty twenty four.
Thirty six of them occurred on farms, and only seven

(25:46):
farmers were victims. This man is talking about forty something gravesites, Sir.
Even if we look at COVID in America, they were
throwing bodies into crates that we made in the ground.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
What are you saying, this is the worst thing you've
ever seen.

Speaker 5 (26:02):
And I just so strongly feel like people that have
privilege never wane to admit that they do, because now
they're freaking the slide of the hand. But this is
really and truly blatant racism. This goes back to the
story that we don't matter. Why is he so focused
on white farmers. Why is it not just farmers. Why

(26:23):
is the focus on the fact that these white farmers
are dying and this is what's happening.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
And you know, I'm just well, here's the thing, Sarah,
and here's the thing that to try to deal with
that question. I think South Africa is a really important
vision for MAGA right because they're very afraid that we
are moving toward a minority majority country. Right in about

(26:50):
thirty years, most adults in this country will be non
white right people on the right, and MAGA folks are
very afraid about this. And South Africa is a vision
to them, a nightmare, visions them of a country where
white people were in charge and now they're not. And
they're like, what if we become like South Africa? So
this becomes part of white South Africa becomes this obsession

(27:12):
for the right. Doctor b what do you think.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
First of all, this is about money. Second of all,
Trump called that president in there to bully him, he
knows they have a high crime rate. This is not
about race, this is about money. He knows that they
have a high crime rate. The President of South Africa said, Trump,
let's get past all this bullshit you're talking about. He
didn't use those words. He said, let's talk about the

(27:37):
fact that we have a high crime rate. So we
need to use Elon must starlink because we need video
surveillance so that we can see the crime that we have,
that we make more public safety and we can dissipate
the crime that's in our country. Who owns starlink, Elon Musk,
who's from South Africa, Elon Musk, who is actually running

(27:59):
the country read and Donald Trump is just a spokesperson
Elon Must. Let's just all tied to that second thing
is what they're trying to do is because I've been
in South Africa, in order to own a business as
a white person in South Africa, an actual Native African
Black person has to own fifty one percent of that
business or you can't own it. They're doing that so

(28:21):
that they can even out from what the part I did,
which was take away the equity and equality of black
people having any ownership or having any type of wealth
in that country. They don't like that. Eli must is
saying that that is reverse racism on white people. So
all of this is just a money move to say, Okay,

(28:42):
we're gonna put this South African president in the White House.
I'm gonna bully him, and then I'm gonna have him.
Tell me pretty much, listen, we need this star link
system so we can we can have surveillance of what
are countries doing. Let me go a little further. Guess
what surveillance gives into y'all, Ray Dmitri, Come on, what

(29:05):
does surveilans give them? It gives them insight, direct insight
on what's going on. They can watch every thing from
anywhere they are. Wait a minute, Elon Musk has access
to what all of the American what social security.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
And our parts. Come on, Le's stop playing.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
This is about them taking over a nation, a country.
This is a world order. We're not about to play
with these people. Trump don't care about any of that
stuff he talked about about people dying or a white genocide.
He wants to show that the crime rate is crazy.
And one last thing in our land, when you can
show the world that the crime rate being high is

(29:43):
affecting white people. Guess what things get done. That's why
he had to make this seem like it's a white genocide.
No it's not. It's been a black genocide since apartheid.
Don't play with.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Us, Dmitri. Part of what Trump is talking about here
is that we need immigrants who can easily assimilate into
this country. And the fifty nine white South Africans who
they just led in this country, Oh they get they're
the children of africaners who used to run that country
in a very brutal and messed up way. Oh, they

(30:15):
will have an easy time assimilating. Which this is such
an incredibly racist notion of like, let's let it the
white people, but we can't let in the brown people
because they can't assimilate. It doesn't even relate at all
to American history or culture.

Speaker 7 (30:29):
Go ahead, you know the thing about it is, I
think that's the thing about racism. It never has to relate,
It never has to connect to anything. How fuck are
you talking about somebody who stole some stolen land yourself?
How to fuck are we talking about any of that
going on without acknowledging the building You're fucking sitting in
South Africa. Ain't been on Trump mine since ever. You

(30:51):
understand what I'm saying. It's never been a conversation until
it has beneficiary, until the business and him kicked in
so he can see a pivot for the United States.
And my thing about it is this, and I'm gonna
say it. I'm gonna be honest. This is truly how
I feel. I don't give a fuck about the forty.
I don't even fuck about the sixty, how many people
it was. I don't give a fuck today, give a
fuck about our people and what the fuck is happening

(31:14):
to us. You underst know what I'm saying. All that
other shit, man, he can save it.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Let's get into this another day, because this is a big,
huge topic. Immigration is really complex, and this particular part
of it is really important. This story brings in Trump's
inability to discern facts from fiction, how he keeps saying
taking a myth that somebody tells them that believing it's
fact and then acting on it, as well as white

(31:41):
victimhood as well as white privilege. So it connects like
all these major themes that we keep seeing over and
over with Trump. Let's get into the big topic because
sometimes the anger that we feel toward them, toward our
political situation may be misunderstood, may be misconstrued. Draymond Green

(32:03):
was talking about this the other day. Let's roll that clip.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Angry black man. I'm not an angry black man.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
I'm a very successful, educated black man with a great family,
and I'm great at basketball. I'm great at what I
do to get The agenda to try to keep making
me look like an angry black man is crazy.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
I'm sick of it. Is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
So let's talk about the angry black man woman archetype
stereotype thing. Draymond is the boy, didn't hear? Is not Draymond,
who may be a little angry and a little little man.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Raymond is angry, but he's all those amazing things. He
is angry. They have a man for a reason. He
keeps he puts pressure on people, man Dramond.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
But let's not focus on Draybond. The point is the
anger that a lot of us feel at the way
that they look at us, and the desire to be
violent in response to what we are not getting politically,
the justice, the equality. There is a lot of black anger,
and you do say should you be Should we be

(33:12):
more Malcolm than Martin, more aggressive, more Black panther than Snick?
Should we you know? I mean like we can march.
Look at them rioting. I don't know what they got
out of that, but a lot of them went to jail.
But like our political ideals might sometimes need a little

(33:33):
more force behind them. We have the president of the
NAACP in California. Here, are you committed as a black person,
doctor B to the continuing doctor king, peaceful civil disobedience,
nonviolence or at some point do we need to add
some of what Malcolm X and the Black Panthers we're

(33:54):
talking about.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Well, listen, MLK was a member of our NAACPNN as president,
I'm a role with my member, right, but I am
that president of NAACP where I'm a little Malcolm, I'm
a lot more Malcolm, I should say, in a little
less MLK. And we have a lot of those leaders
within our organization where you know, they are protesting, they

(34:16):
are giving those speeches, and they are are showing that
our black voice matters, and that is needed on the streets.
But we also need people who are like Malcolm, who
are gonna say this is where it stops, or are
gonna stand vertical and who they are? Who are gonna
do an eye for an eye? Right, Who's gonna not
just turn the other cheek, but gonna say, you know,
we're gonna face this head on, and whatever's necessary for
us to do it is what we have to do.

(34:37):
I don't think there's one leadership that's needed to I
think it's a collective. I think screaming and having a
voice in protesting and getting their attention is a great way.
And I think saying listen, but we got to step
on your fucking toes and that's what we have to do. Then,
by all means necessary. From my brother Malcolm, like you said,
by all means necessary, then so be it. But both
leaderships are necessary. I would never negate one.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Sarah go, oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
You know it's crazy.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
When we were looking at that first picture that was
put up and it was you know, current times versus
Civil war times, And I'm literally thinking, if you were
to title this rebellion versus insurrection, which would you think
was which? Because the truth is every time that we
start to speak up for ourselves, when we do choose
to get angry, when we do have a passionate feeling

(35:22):
because our people are being disrespected, we're not being loved.
We're trying to enforce the fact that we matter. They
call us rebellious, they say that we have a civil
disobedience right, and so that's the issue. I think that
we as a black people, though, get to do a
much better job of stop being so emotional and reactionary.

(35:44):
Because emotions are temporary. So if I am outraged and
I am angry, yes that is fuel and that's great.
But if you guys have noticed, statistically speaking and throughout
the past, we always run out of steam. We run
out of steam because we're not focused on an actual
action plan. We're not disciplined to carry something out. We
don't come together as a people to make things better.

(36:06):
What we do is we're angry. We say that we're angry,
we're loud, we're passionate. And then what do they do.
They give us a little bit of media, and then
that pacifies us. They give us a little bit of media,
and then we forget that we were angry, and we
have to do a much better job of committing to
the differences that need to happen. Now, I'm not saying
that we shouldn't be angry. I'm just saying, be angry

(36:27):
with a plan. What is the actual plan of action?

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Doctor B Just really quick, I want to say on
January sixth, what Sarah's referring to. There were a group
of people that attack the capitol. Yeah, those group of
people are what those group of people refer to us as.
I refer to them as that's what I call niggas.
Those were niggas attacking a capital. Right here in this video.

(36:53):
On the left, you got niggas attack in the capitol.
On the right, you have leaders of all races, of
all creeds, of all ages who are marching and protesting
for issues legislation, concerns and change and justice. Two totally
different people. And so when they say niggas, I look

(37:13):
at them niggas who are attacking the capital, who should
have been criminalized for these acts, who our current president
has what pardoned many of those niggas. So that's how
I look at it. I don't look at niggas being
a race. I look at it as folks who are
doing ignorant acts, crimes such as the ones we just
seen in that photo.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
I love that picture because it speaks to my pragmatism
that I am with you, doctor b as far as
the Malcolm vibe. And at some point we do need
to show like we're very upset, you know, we're upset
enough to riot. Like those sorts of things do move
the political system over time. But we cannot have a

(37:59):
violent upright against this country like we need to have.
Even the picture on the right here, these people are
engaging as far as I can tell, in property damage right.
They are not attacking individuals, right. I believe they're attacking
a statue right because we see a civil war statue right.
So when we're doing that sort of thing, we are

(38:21):
showing the capitalist structure how angry we are when we
attack individuals. Now, the structure will come back and crush us.
We cannot survive in that way. So even though we
feel the anger, and you think about somebody like Rodney
Hinton Junior right in Ohio. His son is murdered by

(38:43):
a police officer and then he goes the next day
and purposefully kills.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Now I'm not saying I would have done it, but
I understand, right, And can we make success because we
have political success doing that at scale? Absolutely not? And
I am not telling other people to go do that,
but I feel it, and I know that there are
other people who feel the same way, Dimitri. I know
that there's a lot of black men who feel like

(39:14):
doing what Rodney Hint and Jujor did.

Speaker 7 (39:17):
It's so much for me to unpack right here, So
forgive me if I have to take my time, because
this is something the Draymond Green thing, I'm with him
as a black man. I feel like we should be angry,
We should be very angry. But the thing about it
is they label us this. We were trained to be passive, right,
not because it's morally not because it's more morally correct,
but because it's manageable. That's the fucking problem. That's what

(39:40):
I see. And the thing about it is, we talked
to you. You brung up Tori, you brung up Martin
and Malcolm.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
What people often.

Speaker 7 (39:47):
Misunderstand about Martin and Malcolm, Malcolm was strategic, not violent.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Martin was radical, not weak.

Speaker 7 (39:58):
And I think people often miss understand what the fuck
that means because they say it's either we be violent
or no. We can take we can take the strategic,
radical approach.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Let's do it.

Speaker 7 (40:09):
But the thing about it is when we march, when
black people march right, we get fucking arrested with mukshines,
But when they storm the fucking capital, they get selfies
in the fucking public building. I don't understand it. It's
it's completely unjust. I will never fucking understand it. But
what the thing about it is, I think we being

(40:29):
labeled is angry. We should be angry. It's a fucking
human emotion and we've earned that right to be angry.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
It's all about how you display it to the world.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
I mean, you know, what you're talking about is absolutely right,
James Baldon talking about it. If you're black and you're
not angry, what is the problem? Because you should be
upset about the state of black people, a black justice
in this country. We are not getting our fair share.
Slavery still affects us. There's massive policing problems, there's massive
wealth inequality. We should be angry, and that doesn't mean

(40:59):
we should leave this country. I want this country to
be better for us. Don't tell me if you don't
like it, then leave.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
No.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
I want America to be the greatest country of the
world and to work for us and not just for them. Right,
Doctor b go.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
You know, I love what Dimitri said. He said that
labeling black men as angry is a form of suppression.
That's what I heard, right, oppression, And it is also
a form of what we've been talking about here on
you talks silencing the black voice, and let me go further,
it's silencing the black male voice, which ahead not the

(41:34):
neck of our community, of our race. And if they
can silence y'all, and guess what they feel, they can
silence us. And when they don't silence the black man,
what does that do? It makes us pass all up,
proceed y'all in every way that we have, because they
are choosing to use you, guys's natural way of feeling

(41:54):
as a way to weaponize it against you, so that
when you are having emotions, they want you to do
the opposite of angry and go to the place that's super,
super vulnerable and solvet And what that has done is
and I'm probably gonna have a huge, unapologetic opinion about this,
and I don't care. What it has done is it
has softened a lot of our black men. It has
man or black men feel like they can't stand vertical

(42:17):
on who they are. It is a manner of black
men feel like they can have a voice in their house,
a voice in their relationship, of voice as parents. And
let me go further, they don't even talk about y'all
assets at the presidential debate. They don't care about your diabetes,
they don't care about your prostate cancer. They don't care
about the black on black crime. They talk about the
black women dying three times more when giving birth and
a white woman. They never mentioned the black man. And

(42:39):
let me say one more thing. When Kamela was running
for office, our sister Kamela, she didn't mention y'all negroes
either as much. This is where I have a problem
when it comes to politics, Tory. You can look how
you want to look, because the black man is the
last man who is mentioned. Y'all have the right to
feel the way you feel, express how you express it,
run your household, be parents, be fathers, and stand. You

(43:00):
are not the statistic that they are telling you that
you are. You are better than that. And we as
black women and black men and our allies have to
represent in that space until men, we will be silenced.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
No, there's one hundred tent of all that I just
want to give respect to my friend Kamala who I
love it.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Actor as a black woman. But we're gonna call things
wrong when it's wrong. In our black community. We have
to have think tanks where we say, listen, doctor Sarah,
I love you, sis, but you was out of pocket here,
and doctor Sarah could say, doc, listen, love you sis.
But this is what's needed for us to do better collectively.
We got to have that emotional intelligence. We can't be
an over sensitive freaking community. We can be emotional, but
we can't be over sensitive one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Let's check. Let's listen to Draymond Green again.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Angry black man. I'm not an angry black man. I'm
a very successful, educated black man.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
He is a very great at basketball.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
I'm great at what I do to the a gender.
To try to keep making me like an angry black
man is crazy. I'm sick of it. Is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
You know, you do have to worry constantly, Sarah, as
a black man or woman in society and in mixed society. Right,
it doesn't come up when we're just with us, but
like when we're interacting with them, the least.

Speaker 6 (44:17):
Little tone, the least little face, the least little aggressiveness
and you're that right, and sometimes you're not even they
don't even say it, You just think that you know
that they might think that.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
So you're dealing with the stereotype threat as far as
not trying to. It's a very complicated thing that's going
on inside us.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
One thing that I feel like one of the reasons
why we're looked at as angry is because they have
suppressed us not to be well. Now, when we start
feeling our real feelings, it's like, oh, whoa, this isn't
supposed to happen. But when I have conversations with my
eighty five year old great aunt Marge, and she's telling
me about in the past, how she to say. Her
mother said, don't start no trouble. If they look at

(45:02):
you a certain way, if they spit on you, if
you go don't drink from that fountain, don't start no trouble.
We don't want no trouble over here. And it wasn't
until the late Congressman John Lewis was able to say,
we need more good trouble in our life. We need
to be those voices. We need to get out there.
We need to have these conversations, We need to come together, because,
to be honest, if you look at who has control,

(45:23):
the only reason why who's in control is in control
is because.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
What did they do. They raped, they pillaged, and they killed.

Speaker 5 (45:31):
The only way that they were able to literally colonize
this entire nation. They took the people that are from
Native Americans, they are native to this land, and made
them strangers to their own land and then took it,
pushed them into areas that they don't belong in, stole
people from other other countries, brought them here and taught
them We're going to rape, pillage, and steal. It's just

(45:52):
like the elephant that's connected to the chair. If you
put a baby elephant and you harness it to a chair,
a small little peg in the in the in the
in the ground, it's unable to pull the peg out
of the ground. Well, as it gets older, it doesn't
even try. Why because it is a mind control. Why
because we are so clear that we are supposed to

(46:13):
be nice and dismissive and understanding, and the moment that
we come with passion, they're not used to that because
they've taught us not to have it.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
The passion that you're coming with. And doctor B's coming
with I love and it reminds me of Rominy Malick
in forty year Old Virgin Roll that I can.

Speaker 6 (46:31):
Now, don't be a nigg rob my nigga, all right,
help me out.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Hold on, I ain't nobody's nigga.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Well, I mean you somebody's nigga wearing his nigga to.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Want to die. Let's move forward, amicable.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Okay, Well check this out. First of all, you throwing
too many big words at me.

Speaker 7 (46:49):
Okay, now because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take
them as disrespect.

Speaker 6 (46:52):
Watch your mouth and help me with the sail.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
See see, now you found yourself a nigga. You were
looking for an.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
So the whole thing is like that that we are
like Ramedy and Kevin Hard is America, Like, help me out,
don't be a nigga, be a nigger he like nigga
here now we are like nigga here now, like we're mad?
Like do we take this feeling that we have to
a civil war to meet tree?

Speaker 4 (47:22):
Like?

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Is that the vibe? Like people keep talking about that,
Like is that what we need to do?

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Absolutely, in my opinion.

Speaker 7 (47:28):
Absolutely absolutely fight for it.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
You know the thing about it is black passion.

Speaker 7 (47:35):
I'm gonna say passion because you you've been seeing a
lot of it on the screen. Black passion is viewed
as fucking criminal in this country. We need to relabel
things because why white rage can be viewed as fucking patriotic,
like it does not make sense. So the thing about
it is for me, I think the idea of it
is a fight at this point. It's something we have

(47:56):
to break down and fight for because we're being labeled
with things that don't apply to us.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
It's just who we are. So absolutely, I want.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
To fight, Doctor B. You want to you want to fight.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
This is my thing. Jay Z said it best. I
have six degrees. I went from the hood to the hills.
I beat the statistics. I'm not a baby mama. I'm
a product of teenage pregnancy. My father was a street
dude who sold, you know, move weight. He was one
of the biggest ones and a gangster that turned his

(48:32):
life over. My mom was a sixteen year old pregnant girl.
And guess what, Torre, guess what thever guess what? Dimitri
Jaz said? It still nigga to some people. Let me
go further, still nigga. Some of my black people too.
So what am I saying is it's not about us
focusing on whether we want to fight or not physically.

(48:54):
We need to focus on what is the fight that
we are fighting for? First of all, what's the loaf?
Let's breadcrumb? What the hell? That strategic fight looks like
one things Republicans do, which predominantly are white people, as
we know, they strategize years years, years ahead. They know
who they want to run for office in four years
and ten years and in thirty years. We as black people,

(49:17):
whether we dim or liberals because I don't care, need
to have thing tanks or we are strategically figuring out
what is the fight? Why are we protesting if we
don't know the fight? Why are we even having an
emotion and feeling so strong if we don't know what
that emotion needs to result in? What do we want
that to feed? What is our feasts so we know
what to cook?

Speaker 2 (49:38):
You know?

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Dmitri, I think that she makes an excellent point that
I'm not sure what issue is so passionate and central
to a wide swath of black people, multiple classes, Atlanta,
New York, La, l Oakland, that would everybody everybody's going
to work. You know, like when it was a civil
rights movement, the Black power movement, the issues were clearer

(50:03):
to us. So it's easier to get a large group
of black people to say I will sacrifice my body,
potentially myself and safety to march here to The issues
now are much more complicated, and I don't know that
you could have like that, you could get a group
of people.

Speaker 6 (50:20):
To coalesce to where they're risking.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Their bodies for Like, I just think the issues are
are heavier now, are more broader now, The needs that
we have as a community are much broader now.

Speaker 7 (50:32):
Go ahead, absolutely, I absolutely agree with you, and I
absolutely understand all that. But the problem is this, We've
never lacked warriors. We lack a long roam. That's the
fucking problem. We don't have anywhere to strategically get this
fight together. There's not spaces we're large enough where people
are gathering. Look how strategic they've been with us. At
one point, they adopted major corporations, adopted the Black Lives

(50:55):
Matter movement. Within a year it was completely white. They
like you said, doctor Briant, bred Cromb. They painted the streets,
They fucking did all these things just to silence us
long enough so we forget that any of this fucking occurred.
We need to sit down, create strategy on how the
fuck we can fight back, and then go out there
and fight it, because fighting doesn't have to be violent. Torrey,

(51:18):
I'm not I'm not an angry black man. Don't label
me now. I'm not an angry black man.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
You should be.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
I'm just a black man. Which mangered, that's all like.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
You should be you should you should You shouldn't be
a ABM, but you should be angry because of what's going.
I feel like that you you kind of made reference
to Black Lives Matter there, and I want to bring
out a point, and I wonder if doctor Bryant, as
an NAACP person, agrees with this. Black Lives Matter had

(51:46):
a tremendous impact on America before Travon Martin, before Black
Lives Matter really got going. Ferguson, we saw in this
country police killings as separate things that happen that didn't
have any relationship to each other, and there was not
any legislative or political feeling of like we could do

(52:08):
something because something happened in Buffalo, something happened Oakland. They
are completely separate, and Black Lives Matter through nonviolent education
of the masses, through Twitter, through other media, made people
see these are all interconnected stories. This is one singular
thing that is happening, and we can have things like

(52:28):
body cameras and consent decrees and other ways of reshaping policing,
not changing what black people do, but changing what the
police do to have better outcomes. It's not perfect, but
we made the media and the country understand this is
one story. So they had a massive impact. They can't
save every black person who's on the wrong end of

(52:50):
a police gun, but we did have a massive impact,
a massive change on America from Black Lives Matter. Doctor B.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
I want to see say this really quick, because Demitri
you said as you continue some really good Pointorey you
did too as well when you talk about the angry
black man. Another thing when it comes to protesting or
TORETI your port when it comes to organizing right for
these issues. Why is it that we are only organizing
when there's a George Floyd moment or when there's a death.

(53:21):
Why are we not organizing being preventative? Why are we
always being intervenative? That that's not how it works. Second,
thing is when we are out there protesting, when we
are out there doing this fight violently or not, there's
a huge gigantic percentile of us, especially our black men,
who will be prosecuted. Guess the prosecution does it puts

(53:42):
something on their record that then makes it hard for
them to get a job. Then that then what does
that do? That messes them up socio economically to where
they cannot take care of their family. So now they
not only become to the outside world, but to the
woman nothing asked man who can't provide because he ended
being prosecuted for fighting for something he wanted. In DOUBLEACP

(54:04):
made a pack with the LA Police Department that said,
while we're protesting back in George Floyd. Because I put
together the very first march where the police law enforcement
marsh and protested against their own people. When George Floyd fought,
I had every political elect official out here. I had
the chief of police marching in the front lines with
us for the first time in history. But we made

(54:24):
sure we made a pack and we told him this,
you cannot arrest not one person. You cannot arrest not
one person, especially not a black person, because that is
systemic rac system. The second thing that happens is what happens.
We end up being folks who are out here trying
to figure out, okay when we're organizing Black Lives Matter,
n DOUBLEACP, two separate civil rights organizations. But they shouldn't

(54:47):
be separate by calls. They shouldn't be separate by fight.
They could be separate by title, they can be separate
by name. I want to give Black Lives Matter their
props for a second. In DOUAACP, we sit with the police.
We sit with the police of staff, we sit with
law enforcement. We chastise in, we have conversations, We create policy,
we create legislation. Let me tell you some Black Lives
Matter won't do. They're not sitting with law enforcement. They

(55:08):
ain't sit with no police achieved. They said this, we
want no parts of them. What am I saying both
leaderships are necessary? Black Lives Matter is making a large
splash when they were on the streets, and NAACP is
systemically internally creating legislation, and we are creating policies that
can work for us. So all I'm getting to is
that yes, Toad, yes, Dmitri, Yes, Sair. We have to

(55:30):
organize we have to be preventive, but we also have
to make sure we are having conversations with these lawmakers
so our brothers, our sisters don't end up in a
worse position fighting for a good fight and having to
then do a whole three sixty universe, you know, and
fight for their life and fight for the social economic
size because they can't go nowhere after they fought a

(55:50):
good fucking fight.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
It's good where, Dmitri, If we're gonna do a civil war,
what do you want it to look like?

Speaker 2 (55:57):
I wanted to be about it is.

Speaker 7 (56:00):
I can't even put peaceful in the conversation. I wanted
to be strategic. I wanted to be organized. I wanted
to be led by the exact same fucking people they
attempt to tokenize in their own fucking companies and organizations
to push black culture forward. I wanted to be led
in this social media space we share now. I wanted

(56:21):
to start from conversations we have here on truth talks
for me personally, because I was out there March and
when the marchers was happening, I'm not just somebody back
and talk about it to me personally. I think it's
done best when it's strategic, organized and thought out, and
that's exactly why we need a war room to do
so before we ever deploy for a war, we sit

(56:43):
and we say, hell, we're going to do it.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
That's exactly what.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
He's done, Sarah.

Speaker 5 (56:48):
I couldn't agree more, you know, And I'm so happy,
Tomitri that you clarified the aspect of being strategic and
that it doesn't necessarily mean a fight because on January sixth,
they were shooting those men with rubber bullets. We don't
get shot with rubber bullets. We get shot with lead bullets.
And if we are out here going out trying to
make all of these changes, it's really easy if we're

(57:10):
all in one place, to take us all down one
at a time. And so for me, civil war, strategic
civil war means getting our economy together. It means coming
together as one, identifying, like doctor B said, you've got
to identify what is the next step, like where are
we even at and where is it that we want
to go so we can reverse engineer that thing. We

(57:31):
need to have our voices heard, like truth talks. We
need this platform.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
We need to be.

Speaker 5 (57:35):
Able to amplify the voices of the different black experience,
so we can actually all see we're not that much
different even if we came from completely different circumstances. At
the end of the day, most of us are still
treated the same when we get pulled over by the police,
and we have to know that it's not until we
are able to come together. That's how you The best
way to win is to create economy. We need to

(57:58):
be a richer race.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
That's one hundred percent correct, and that's that that is
the point that we can succeed through economics, right, and
that may be kouji jak aala something more unify like
collective economics. But if we we need to have more
money coming into the community and using that money to
improve the community. I have a dream of black billionaires,

(58:24):
some of them we don't have that many, but a
few of them getting together. We have let's peel off
a couple of dollars so that we can have a
bank that focuses on mortgages for black people. Because if
we have more black people getting more mortgages that are
that are that are that are good for them, uh,
then we'll have more homer home ownership and we will

(58:46):
bring more wealth into the community. Long term, so we
can have that money for the next generation, not just
our generation. That sort of economic rise is what we need.
The fight is never I mean, look, I was out
on George Floyd just like everybody, right, and I love

(59:06):
those days and those civil disobedience, marching the streets, shutting
down highways, shutting down bridges, like these things are really
valuable and really important and part of the struggle. But
we're really not gonna win unless we have a lot
of money that we can deploy just to make us
a stronger community.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
Right.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
I think the money is the thing that school can
make the protest really really work. God could be what
do you think?

Speaker 3 (59:33):
And I want to say, you know, we need to
be able to fill our emotion of anger and not
be suppressed. When you have these white folks go shoot
up a school, is that anger or is that mental health? Okay,
I'm back, But when you have a black man who
just is expressing himself out a very loud, passionate tone,

(59:57):
but ain't shot, nobody, ain't hit, nobody did none of it,
just just externalizing how he feels. Is that anger or
is that mental health? Or is that him eternalizing his
trauma that he has every fucking right to do. What
I'm saying is that culture competence is needed in this world,
in this leadership in law enforcement. Trauma looks different on

(01:00:19):
us than it does white people than it does and
does Asian people. And until they understand that, they will
always fear go ahead, toreq Ques.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
How does it look different on us trauma than others?

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Let an officer pull behind a black man and you'll
see how his trauma inflames, and it looks different than
a white man being put over by an officer. That's
where it looks different. When a black man gets out
and he throws his hands up and says, yo, man,
what did I do? You know what I do? That's
his fear, that's his trauma. That's him confused. He's trying
to figure out why me again? Versus a white man

(01:00:52):
that gets out and says, hey, sir, so what was
I pull over? For the same message? It looks different.
You're talking about a black man if he's grown up
in the inner city or in the hood, he's growing
up with helicopters above his head, he's growing up with
a little boy, he's raising by himself. He's growing up
with a single mama in the household. He's growing up
trying to figure out how he can just get from
fucking home to school and back alive without being robbed,

(01:01:14):
without being killed. So you're dealing with a different person
who has a different environment, who has different needs. And
if you don't take the time to be culture or competent,
you don't need to be in a leadership position. You
damn don't need to be in a law enforcement position,
and you are not a person who needs to be
dealing with people outside of your race. It looks different
on us, and we have a right for it to
look different, and we have an even more right to

(01:01:37):
be understood. And if you don't understand us, to say
the fuck away from jobs that serve us. Fear ooh,
that's so good.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
And on a complete side note, I also feel like
people in authority need to have a mental illness check
before they're even able to do that job, because are
so mentally ill. They're taking their trauma from back in
the day with any girls or there were the shorter guy,
or weren't as good as sports, and they're projecting that
pain now they're adults. They're projecting that onto us in

(01:02:07):
their adult life.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
So that's number one.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
Number two, I feel like we need to take accountability
for what's happening inside of our lives. What does that mean.
It means you can't take away from me what I've built.
If we get focused on creating economy for ourselves, by
joining together, by having actual business plans, by pulling our
money together, by creating an opportunity for us to grow together,

(01:02:33):
instead of that crabs in a barrel mentality, everything will change.
Because we are some of the most powerful, resilient people
that exist on this planet. And as long as we
can work together and identify the issue and work against that,
take that anger and funnel it into strategy, funnel it
into intention, funnel it into action that needs to happen

(01:02:55):
day by day by day, and one day we'll look
up and life will look completely different.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Absolutely, I couldn't.

Speaker 7 (01:03:02):
I couldn't say it any better myself than trauma shows
up in a number of ways. They'll never understand because
they've never experienced it. You don't understand what it's like,
like doctor Brin said, for police to poor behind me.
You don't understand what it's like to be in the
richer part of the city and eyes and people looking
at you and x y Z. You don't understand what
it's like to be a black man. And I got

(01:03:22):
a concern whether my application is being viewed at the
same level this motherfucker next to me is those are
things you never understand. That's trauma we have and what
people don't understand. This trauma shapes your confidence. Trauma shapes
how you present yourself to the world. Trauma, trauma shapes
all of you. And then we show up in these
spaces and we don't have what it takes. Why because
our trauma never let us get there, never let us

(01:03:43):
develop fully. So this motherfucker get the job when I
was way more qualified to me. I think the thing
about it is we've taken on this notion of suppressing
this trauma, and now you see this uprise and you
want to call us angry.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Because of it. Yeah, God damn it, man, shit, be
fucking angry.

Speaker 7 (01:04:01):
That's what my trauma made. Your trauma made you beat
for why because all you've ever seen was fucking easy, easy,
the easy road.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Fuck that man, Doc.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
You know there is an amendment I was trying to
look up, but I can't find. I did a really
amazing event with Ben Krump, the biggest civil rights attorney
in the world. And there's an amendment. I'm so sorry
I don't have it because I love to educate. But
this amendment talks about because Sarah made such a good
point that law enforcement by law, by law, cannot have

(01:04:31):
a mental health illness diagnosis and be an active officer. Okay,
now they have that, but guess what, it's not mandatory
that they see a mental health professional quarterly or yearly.
So who is checking the balance words of democracy to
make sure that our officers that are serving us are

(01:04:53):
not impaired. Who's doing that checking balance? Because what it
says is if an officer is impaired, then guess but
he has to step down until he either gets the
treatment he needs or he cannot operate in that capacity anymore.
So I'm not gonna name drop because I won't do
that to my friends. But I have friends who work
as port police, friends who work as la PD officers,

(01:05:16):
My brother's a fourteen year officer as well, who have
been diagnosed with depression with anxiety with PTSD now my brother,
but many of them, and guess what, they still suit
up every day. They still put a badge on every day.
So what am I saying? Go ahead, toy?

Speaker 9 (01:05:32):
What am I?

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
God? Go deeper?

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
You, let's go a little bit deeper. The FBI has
made it clear that a lot of white supremacist organizations
told their people go into law enforcement. So the next
time you get pulled over that my officer in blue
might be in the Klan, he might be in the
Proud Boys. They were very purposeful and intentional saying we
need to maintain our power, and the way we do

(01:05:57):
that is sending brothers into law enforcement like that, and
we don't even know, like you're talking about with the
mental health, we don't know. We don't even know because
we can't quantify who's in the clin You don't put
that on your resume.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
What we don't know to because it's not in the bylaws.
It's in the amendments the Constitution. But if it's not
in the law enforcement bylaws, then guess what, they don't
have to follow them. So we as na a c
P are fighting to change up and take out some
of those bylaws and put in bylaws that work for
people that look like us. Because if the bilaws don't

(01:06:33):
say you have to be mentally paired, then guess what.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
You don't keep going anywhere?

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
Fire is here? You know how to Let me say this,
demitor asks a good question, he said in my an
angry black woman. Let me say this, Dmitri, I am.
Let me say this, I am and can become an
extremely angry passionate black women for my black men, for
my father, for my brothers, for my kids, for my community.

(01:07:11):
You damn right. And that's why they got the right
one in the position as NAAZB president, because I be
in those chief of staff meetings seriously and I be
cutting the asses up, and if they're watching their vouch
for it, I be in there looking like the angry
strong black women. And I don't care about them pressing
me because I'm a press and stand on a double
down every single time. So for a person like you, Dmitri,

(01:07:34):
for my sister Sarah, for my brother Terrea, you damn right,
I'm angry. And if it takes angry to move this machine,
then baby, let's get this shit wrapped up. I'm okay
with And I don't care about title. I don't care
about titles, terret, I care about change, I care about actions.
I care about call of actions, and I care about
people who look like me, so that the people who
don't look like us can have a different experience of us,

(01:07:55):
and guess what, they can also have a better world
because as we do better impact every single body who's
connected to us.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
You know, I really started thinking about where we are
as far as civil war when I interviewed Malcolm X.
And you know what he told me. You know what
Malcolm X told me?

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
What do you do you?

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Dmitri? He died ten years before I was born.

Speaker 9 (01:08:20):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Literally, Mike, this is one of the talks. I love
you guys. That was an amazing, passionate show. Everybody brought
their heart, their mind. That was amazing. Thank you so
much for coming with the energy. Thank you so much
for being here with us. It's doctor B It's Sarah,
It's Dmitri. And we're gonna bring in a lot of
amazing guests to come into this mix with us this year, Baby,

(01:08:56):
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Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
And lastly, leave in the comments how old you think
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Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Here?

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Bye y'all