EPS 012 Judge Torches Diddy, ELON SNITCHES the Real Cost of Breaking the Code

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good evening, truth Tellers welcome, bringing the funk folks on
Torrey and this is truth Talks and we're about to
get into some deep argument site about some real things.
We're talking about snitching, the culture of listening to the
streets versus rejecting the police. We'll talk about them guys
who escaped in New Orleans and whether or not they
should have been on social media while they were all

(00:21):
the rud and should we be rooting for them. Let's
go truth Talk stars right now?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Are y'a all ready to roll? Let y'all.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Welcome to truth Talks. We're four totally different people somehow
come together to argue about what's going on in the culture.
It's like friends meeting for a drink, but they all
look at the world totally differently. Today we're going to
talk about Diddy, snitching, prison breaks, and more. Please welcome
the superstar doctor Cheyenne Bryant.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
What's up to Tellers, what's up? Dog Squad? Y'all know
how we do. We're gonna cover a lot of subjects.
We're gonna bring a lot of smoke. I'm gonna disagree
with everybody except mister Riva, but but hold on and
I'm gonna shut Torre's ass down every single time. But anyways, correct,
you can carry on, carry on.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
We also have our special co host this week, legal
legend and media powerhouse Arriva Martin, who went from Harvard
Law to running her own law firm to being the
president of the Special Needs Network. We're proud to have
you on the show today.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
All right, I'm so excited to be here.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
And doctor Bryant bring me he I can handle it.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Today were talking about stitching and speaking of no stitching.
Whatever you do, don't tell the police. He's here to
be treat Wiley.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Don't tell him. Please, don't let him know I aim
on the run, warrants everything. Don't let him know. It's
a pleasure to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Riva, just looking at Dmitri do you have any legal
advice for him?

Speaker 5 (02:04):
Whatever you're doing to meet you, keep doing it, brother,
because it is looking good and it is sounding bad.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
I know you. All right, let's move into trending truths.
This is brought to you by our friends at hair Maniacs.
Our first story, did he is still the biggest news
story out there. Recently, the judge angrily told him to
stop looking at the jury and making faces out them.
He threatened to throw ditty out of port. You're not
supposed to sit there and make faces trying to sway

(02:33):
the jury. But did he thinks he is the most
charismatic guy and he can charm them and slide out
of this. He used to say, I'm gonna make you
love me, and it represented his attempt, his desire to
try to seduce people and desire that I can just
make people fall in love with me. If he's trying
to influence the jury, it's because he thinks he can.

(02:54):
So I think he's going to want to get up
on the stand and testify at some point because he
thinks he can influence those folks. Ariva, what do you
think about did he trying to charm the jury and
influence the jury from the defendency.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
Well, first of all, let me say too ory. Hell no,
he's not getting up and taking a witness stand. That
is not happening.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Anybody's sitting around waiting for that.

Speaker 5 (03:17):
Get over it. You would be annihilated. Annihilated on the
witness stand. The cross examination would be the most brutal
cross examination we have ever witnessed in the history of
legal cases, and so much for this seduction.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
We haven't seen a whole lot of seduction going on.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
What we've heard a lot about is torture, is violence,
is sadistic, is horrific, And I think what he's trying
to do is intimidate the jurors, not seduce them, but
send a subtle message that.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
If you dare, if you dare convict me of.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
These charges, you may face what you've heard a lot
of from these witnesses who have been absolutely positively tortured
from his viole kudo. Shout out to the judge that
had the courage to stand up to him and to
let his.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Legal team know he will be watching this trial from
behind bars.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
If he doesn't cut it out.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
So I hope the jurors heard the judge now and
clear were they weren't in the.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
Court room when the judge gave the admonition.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
To the team, but the messages out and clear cut
it out?

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Did he Tabichi?

Speaker 1 (04:25):
I understand though, like the entertainer, did he thinking I
can entertain and win over this one last audience and
saved myself?

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah? Absolutely.

Speaker 6 (04:35):
I think the thing about it is did he's been
famous for being diddy for so long that it's all
he knows. Like you watch a dog in their natural habitat.
If my growl or my bark has gotten me away
with so much for so long, it's automatically what I'm
going to resort to, regardless of the room.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
I'm sitting there. And that's exactly what's going on.

Speaker 6 (04:55):
Did he think since I've given people the stare or
the glare or whatever it is, I can give it
to anybody that it will manipulate any any situation.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
And that's not the case, doctor b.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
We know he's got to be going through trauma and
all sorts of things, but all we hear about is
him in the courtroom smiling at everybody, happy mouthing I
know you, how are you to people in the courtroom
who he recognizes, and I can see him winking and
smiling at the jury and trying to be like, hey,
I'm actually a good guy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
You know Turreva's point, He's definitely trying an intimidation factor.
He's trying to make sure that he implements fear into
these people. He understands that these are every day normal
folks who are on the jury, and he's believing that
he can have this big time mogo intimidation on them.
But this is the thing y'all have to remember, is
a narcissist no matter where they are. So you think

(05:49):
that this guy gets in a courtroom and he's under
intense charges like this, and all of a sudden, the
narcissism is going to become humbled and he's no longer
going to believe that. Look, I can make this entire
courtroom revolve around every thing I wanted to revolve around. Meaning,
if I give this person a look, they are going
to be pooping in their pants. Come on, now, this
is epitome of narcissistic behavior. It doesn't matter where they are,

(06:10):
it doesn't matter who's in the room. They're gonna try
to use everything they can to make sure that room
does what revolve around them. And for him, that means
a jury is on his side, and I do I
agree with a riva kudos to that judge. You said, listen,
you may be a big dog in the streets, but
you in my courtroom today, and so in my courtroom today,
we will not have that or tolerate that, because I
have a jury here who was here to bring justice

(06:31):
and that right there is going to manipulate and infect
the justice that they're going to be able to bring
based on some fear factor that you're trying to project
onto these people.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Ariva, you would not let Diddy testify if he was
your client in a normal situation. But we have a
situation where you have a client who is pay you
a lot of money. He thinks he's in charge. He's
going to say, I heard your advice. I'm gonna do
what I want to do. You can't as his attorney.
You can't laid down from of the tracks and prevent

(07:01):
him if he says I want to get on the stand.
There's nothing you could do as his defense. So what
do you do from that? That's him because I think
he might get on the stand because this guy is
gonna say I can charm those people, and I'm going
to fight to the end. I'm not going to go
down without a fight.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Terrey.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
You see wya you cover your own ass because when
it goes south, and trust me, it's going south, he
is going to then claim ineffective counsel. He's going to
want to sue you for malpractice, and he's going to
try to shift the blame on to his legal team,
but no, you read him the Riot Act. You let
him look at some of the testimony that has been

(07:38):
given by these witnesses.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
You tell him all of the pitfalls that are going
to happen.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
Maybe you bring in a doctor, brant or someone to
help him understand that it says narcissism, not his knowledge
of court procedures or court case that is talking to him.
And then if he continues to insist, you put him
on the witness stand and you sit there and you
watch them meltdown. You watched the tape down, and you
watched what I believe would ultimately seal the deal for

(08:05):
any conviction.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Because Arriva says something that was Arriva. I'm going to
steal it and I'll quote you. You said, it's your narcissus,
not your knowledge. You been gems No. I love that
because it's it's that. It's no, no, no, it's it's your ego.
It's your narcissist, not your knowledge. That was good. Sis.
I just had I had a had to give you
that moment.

Speaker 5 (08:28):
I'm listening to you.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Look it did. He's in jail at least until the
end of this trial. Let's move on to our second story.
Some guys who've been in prison for a long time
and said no moss. About ten guys escaped from a
New Orleans prison last month rolled the clip.

Speaker 7 (08:51):
Theor or Leans Parish Sheriff's office says the prisoners removed
a toilet in this cell and cut a hole in
the thin wall they could crawl through. He had made
called obscene messages for the guards. One was misspelled too easy,
Sheriff Susan Hudson.

Speaker 8 (09:06):
They were still able to exit the jail about one
on one am after breaching a wall behind a toilet
in the jail. They were seeing exiting a door on
the docks where we normally bring in supplies, scaling a
wall and running across the interstate shortly thereafter.

Speaker 7 (09:23):
The jail break wasn't detected until guards did a morning
head count seven hours after the escape. Nine total hours
passed before the sheriff alerted the public.

Speaker 8 (09:33):
You got to go inside the facility to be able
to see they could have been anywhere. Then we had
to first prioritize talking to victims to make sure they
were safe.

Speaker 7 (09:41):
One inmate was captured hiding under a car in a
hotel garage in the French Quarter. Among those on the loose,
r three accused of murder. Derrick Groves was convicted in
a twenty eighteen Marty gross shooting. Police believe the escapees
are armed and dangerous.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
There's thirteen people charged with aiding in their escape, including
one of the grandmothers of what of the invates to
be tree, God forbid you were doing a bed Do
you think your grandmother would help you if you were
to escape.

Speaker 6 (10:12):
I'm gonna be honest, no one, no. I love my
grandma to death. He's my heart. Knowing my grandma. I'm
going back to jail. My grandma gonna make me listen.
I'm I'm going right back. She's driving me straight back,
and she ain't even gonna tell me. She's gonna pray
for me on the way back. I know my grandma.
But if your if your grandma is the only getaway
driver you could come up with, y'all got.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Bigger problems than all of that other stuff.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
One of the invates while all the run, got on
social media. Let's take a look at what he had
to say. He's felt your boy.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Hell, I'm saying people that have been through the system
that Lewis come up.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
He was for help, but he's using the internet to
lead this case. And of course you'd like to see
him do that through a lawyer, but if he feels
like he doesn't have access to one, or he doesn't
understand and have faith in the legal system, this is
a way of him speaking to the people about like
I am being wrong.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
Well, the problem is ignorance of the law is no defense.
So his ignorance of the law is not going to
save him, and he's facing some very serious charges. Look,
what he's talking about is the inequities in our criminal
justice system. He's calling them folks like well weighing even
Donald Trump saying help a brother out.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
But we know that black men in.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
Our criminal justice system do face disproportionate consequences when it
comes to sentencing, when it comes to pretty much everything
related to the criminal justice system. This is not Shawshak redemption.
This ain't a white boy tunneling his way escaping prison
like in the movie. These are some black folks and

(12:00):
they are going to face some very very harsh consequences.
We're already seeing that chiade with the bail amounts that
have been set for the thirteen folks involved.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Outrageous amounts of money, the.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
Kind of bill that you would see for murderers, not
for folks who are accused of accomplishing or being an accomplished,
to someone who's broken out of prison.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
And what we know is when black folks are.

Speaker 5 (12:21):
Involved, everything about jail reform, everything about bail reform, goes
out the window.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
This is just a tragic case all the way around.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Doctor b.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
When I look at that internet video, I see a
brother crime for help.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
From the looks of it, all them brothers was crying
for help, and they cut a square out in the
bathroom and created their own Damn. To be honest with you,
even though yet it's wrong they did the crime. They're
supposed to be in their serving their time. I'm going
to be honest, there was something very liberating for some
reason about these brothers getting out and being free. And again,
I'm not condoning crime. I'm not condoning that. I feel

(13:01):
like this is the employment at this institution's problem. Now
these brothers are in jail, they want their freedom. How
are they able to escape to make that much noise
beyond video, beyond camera for however long it took for
them to cut this hole and escape without anybody saying, oh,
wait a minute, we got some inmates that are now

(13:22):
have escaped. To me, that is not an inmate problem.
I'm gonna say this. A criminal is gonna be a criminal.
Meaning if you put me behind bars for committing a crime,
something such as murder, you think my black ass is
not going to drill a hole anywhere to get them
out here? To think that I'm just going to get
caught to come back and just do more of what
I was already doing, which is time absolutely not Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Age this great.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Have done.

Speaker 5 (13:48):
They now have involved their family members, even grandma, the
grandma that would send Dimitri back to jail. They are
now facing very serious charges. I totally disagree with the
own house that have been set for them. But one
thing about a criminal being a criminal, doctor Brian, is
they will get everybody around them in trouble. So here's
some poor grandmother that's got to hire a lawyer facing

(14:11):
felony charges in Louisiana, so she can be spending twenty
thirty years herself in jail just trying to help her
what I'm gonna call her sorry as grandson.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
No, that's a great point, is it? The inmate's responsibility
to stay in the prison, or is it not the
state's responsibility to hold him or her.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Oh, clearly the state failed.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
Clearly employees of this prison failed, and they're going to
be heads that roll. I'm sure there are going to
be lots of folks that get fired, lots of folks
who are investigated. Of course, it's the responsibility of the
prison to keep people incarcerated. But these criminals, some convicted
of murder, very serious charges, out on the streets are

(14:56):
danger to that community. And again I go back to
involving their family members. If somebody knocks on your door
and they've escaped from prison, don't.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Answer the door. They're going back to prison.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
They're going to catch them, and now you are facing
felony charges. You can't help them. That ship has sailed.
They have been convicted, they've been incarcerated. The escape doesn't work.
We have not seen any single solitary case and someone
escaping prison and does so successfully. They get caught, they
go back, they face more charges, or they get shot

(15:27):
and killed by law enforcement.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
They're standing there with the caves. So use your head.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
That is an amazing free advice we feel and we're
going to get it. This wore, We're getting this nitchee.
We feel like anti police and we're going to help
them because of our relationship to them. Is rooting for
everybody black and anti the system and demand. But like
Dimitri's grandmother is risking her freedom by helping him escape
even for one second. So you know, it's not fair

(15:57):
to our family members to pull them into the system
when they didn't do anything wrong. They're just trying to
help us out of love for us. Moving on to
our political segment. Oh, I love this story so much.
Trump and Elon's feud on social media. We all saw
it coming. The girls are fighting. It's the breakup of
the year. The bromance is over, and the cat fight

(16:20):
is glorious.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Roll the clip please.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
And I had a great relation, Jim.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
I don't know who will anymore.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
So it's sort of Trump derangement syndrome, I guess they
call it, but we have it with understand. They leave
and they wake up in the morning, and the glamour's gun.
The whole world is different and they become hustling.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Quick recapt Trump was putting together his big beautiful bill
when Elon got mad and got on Twitter and started
attacking the bill and then started attacking Trump himself, saying,
hey guys, he's on the Jeffrey Epstein list. Trump chirp
back on truth Social he's a drug add So there
are two wealthy, powerful guys dissing each other on social
like schoolboys, and now these two evil people are splitting apart.

(17:09):
I notice, doctor B that Trump is far less nasty
in this battle. That he's usually the hunch ten times
harder sort of guy and like to say the meanest
thing and to do the meanest weird Like I would
have expected him to try to deport Elon by now
or something like that, or open a DJ case against him,

(17:29):
But like he's he's mad at him, but he's handling
it in a very light sort of way.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, well, this is my thing. You know, there's there's
some people who believe this rhetoric and they're having this
this you know, this brotherly fight of they really dislike
each other. I also think that these two dudes could
be role playing. This could be a part of their plan.
This is what they do.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
You know.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Let me explain what there's difference between politicians and elected
official elected officials. There to be of service to the people.
A politician does politics, which means you have folks like
Elon that come in and you have people like Trump
who are going to set up policies and set up
legislation and set up plans and set up contracts so
that his buddy Elon can win like Doge and other things.

(18:09):
That's called pay to play. That's politicking. And then once
he gets what he wants, Elon Mutz gets what he wants,
and guess what he exits. There has to be an
excess strategy. He can't just say, well, by the way,
I got my Doge contract, I got my billions and
my millions, and so guess what, I'm going to just
walk away from here peacefully, peacefully, because that gives away
the fact that Trump was there just to make sure

(18:29):
that this guy got the money and the power that
he wanted, which is really more money. So I believe
they can be setting up this this role play of
we're having this problem. Elon is just throwing out narratives
that we already know about Trump. Oh, he's on the
Einstein list. Okay, we already know that Trump got in
office because Elon really pushed that through. And really, what's
big when it came to paying people to vote and

(18:51):
register to vote for Trump. He already put out of
a campaign.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Trump is definitely not on the Einstein list. But Elon
he's that he should start a new party for what
he called the eighty percent of the country in the middle,
which is kind of a really interesting idea, and it
lets you know, some people will understand the idea that
there is a power in speaking to the middle and
the moderates rather than the diehards on the left or

(19:18):
the right. Do you think we need a third party?

Speaker 5 (19:22):
We don't need anything for Elon Musk, but for him
to go somewhere, sit down, shut up, and hopefully never
ever be seen or heard from again. And let's be
clear to right, Let's do a little fact checking here.
That eighty percent number that's referenced, that's not eighty percent
of the country.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
That's some bonus.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
Poll done on X by Elon Musk.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
And remember X formerly Twitter, without any fact checking controls,
without any fact checking, for those white supremacists that dominate
that platform. Now, that's eighty percent of folks that responded
on his ex pole. So that is not eighty percent
of America. I'm sure I didn't answer that, Poe. I
don't think any one on the show did. No, we

(20:02):
don't need Elon Musk talking about starting a new policy.
He knows a party, that is, he doesn't know anything
about politics.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
He's wrecked the government. He's been the force behind them.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
Day off of thousands of workers for the federal government,
mostly black folks, mostly black women. So I don't think
we should be taking any kind of advice from Elon Musk,
and definitely not political advice to.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Me treat She's totally right to be that. I don't
want Elon as part of a third I don't want
to be part of a third party that Elon is
part of. But are you interested in the option of
a third party that represents more of the middle rather
than the maga right and the progressive left.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
You know, the thing about it is, I honestly feel
like to some degree, I'd be open to it to
some degree because it doesn't force you to have to
pick a left or right or jump completely this way
completely that way. But the thing about it is, if
you really pay attention to it, the middle has always
been the deciding factor. It's how far I can sway
that middle party. So The thing about it is it

(21:07):
may actually help to put a third party on the table.
But again, like ms Martin said, if anything here is
elon Musk idea, I'm solely against whatever he is doing.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
So yeah, no, I'm definitely against any idea that Elon
is about. I wonder if a third party that is
located on the middle the moderate can possibly get the
sort of excitement and energy that a party that is
representing a very progressive or a very conservative idea as

(21:39):
when you go more to the edge of the political spectrum,
you have people who are more passionate about those ideas,
so they are more likely to vote, more likely to
come out, more likely to donate. In the middle of Reba,
I don't know that you can find the same level
of passion to compete with people who are supporting the
edges of the spectrum.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
Surely that's a false choice where all these people that
are in the middle, people have already picked a side.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
So this whole notion that there's eighty million.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
People or one hundred million people, or even ten people
in the middle is false. You and I, everybody on
the show, every all of our audience, people know what
they believe in.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
You believe in good government.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
You believe in democracy, You believe in a you know,
creating opportunities for people to rise up from their circumstances.
You believe in fairness and equity, transparency.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
All of those things. And if you believe in those things.

Speaker 5 (22:36):
It doesn't matter if you're a Democrat, a Republican, or
this so called third party.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
So, and who are the people who are going to
start this third.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
Party and not become skilled career politicians. The same people
that you hate now in the Democratic Party and in
the Republican Party, they are going to be the same
people leading this so called third party.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
So I say, get over your salespeople, pink aside. Either
you're with us and.

Speaker 5 (23:03):
Want to save this democracy as Democrats, or you want
to take this country back to the nineteen fifties as
the Maga Republicans.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
A lot of people are making just that choice. Some
black people are saying, hey, let's go back to the
nineteen fifties. I find for black people it's hard to
have a real political choice, Dianne, because it's like the
Democratic Party, the Republican Party is overtly racist. So then
we may be critical of the Democratic Party but we're like, well,

(23:32):
we can't vote the same way as the klan toy.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
So Elon's asking for an independent party that he's saying
doesn't exist. It already exists. Idiot. Okay, the Independent Party
is the Green Party in the Libertarian Party. What are
we talking about?

Speaker 1 (23:47):
But these are not viable parties. He would talk he
wants to have a viable party.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Well, from what I read, he was saying, we need
he used the word we need to have an independent party.
Maybe he used the wrong word because he's not educated
on our verse on what he's talking about out, which
wouldn't be the first time we hear Elon be non
verse uneducated by what he's talking about. But what I
am saying is that what I'm a Democratic go What
I do like about the Independent Party is they don't
vote per party. They vote per policy, per legislation, per idea,

(24:13):
per what works for them in their community. That is
what does separate the Independent Party from having to choose
either DEM or Republican to say, hey, because i'm a DEM,
I'm going to vote this way. There's oftentimes that people
do that. I know me as a DEM and being
a Democratic califer, Democratic delegate, for so many years. There
have been some other policies that weren't within our party

(24:34):
that I felt like them. I would vote for that,
But guess what, I'm Blue, I'm a dem. I do
believe the Independent Party keeps people independent from voting just
from party, and I think that that causes an issue
when you got folks who believe because they don't have
all of the political education to know, Listen, you can
be registered as any party and you can vote for

(24:56):
any policy in a legislation. You're not tied to that party.
I think that education that we need to give, which
is called voters education, to people to say, listen, no
matter who you register with, you have the right to
vote for what works for you, your family, your community.
That is one thing I can say the Independent Party
does represent. Does a policy work for you? Are you
just voting because you're Blue? Are because you're at You're Republican?

(25:18):
Which doesn't make for a good vote.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Because chime in in the chat and let us know
how you feel.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Do you want to.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
See a new third party?

Speaker 8 (25:26):
Do you?

Speaker 1 (25:27):
I imagine you probably don't want to see it run
by e law bus. But if there was a viable
third party option, would you like that. Okay, let's move
on to our main topic, which should be kind of
spicy since that we have a California super lawyer here
and our main top We're going to dive into a
very deep and important idea. Snitching in the black community.

(25:49):
To some people, that means if we committed a crime
together and I tell on you, I have snitched on you. Okay,
I think everybody would agree with that. But to some
people it means you don't speak to the police about
anything ever period. Even if you have a serial killer
living next door to you, you don't ever talk to

(26:09):
the police. I'm not sure if that is snitching, but
to a lot of people, that is considered snitching. Even
if you're not in the life, you should be respecting
the underworld code. When Kid Cutting testified against Diddy under
suppeeda so he was forced, was that snitching? Young Thug
tweeted that it was Dmitrio. I'm not sure that Thug

(26:32):
is understanding this whole game, right.

Speaker 6 (26:35):
You know, Doug is part of that younger generation in
which I can speak for. I think snitches get stitches
used to refer to one thing as like you said,
if I'm part of the collateral damage.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
I can't.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
It's okay for me to voice that you wronged me
or that you've wronged you know, the general public. But nowadays,
in this new form generation, they see it as if
you say anything at all, you're snitching. See the thing
about it is, it's real culturally confusing because when it's us,
we advocate for justice, justice, justice, and then we whispered,

(27:07):
don't snitch in the background. Me personally, I've never understood it.
I've never got it because when you look into like say,
for example, the actual hoods of Chicago, everyone's screamed, don't
snitch until it's somebody in your family that got cute.
And now you put on Facebook and you want everybody
to advocate for Please turn them in, Please turn the
me in. I need justice with my son. You are
the same person whispering don't snitch to the community before.

(27:30):
So I'm gonna need you to keep that same narrative.
It's become a different definition over time. I've watched it change.
How do you see it, miss Martin, I'm in.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
I'm nodding my head. Dmitri.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
I want to give you a big hug because you
are so right. The hypocrisy is nauseating, So it's okay
not to snitch until it hits home, right, and then
when your loved one, your daughter, your son, your mother,
your grandmother is hit in a drive by shooting or
you know, is collable damage to some gang violence, then

(28:05):
you want the whole community to stand up, to march,
to protest, to you know, give as many contacts or
information to the police as possible.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
And look, we can't have it both ways.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
We want to break the cold of silence that exists
within role police departments. We want cops to tell on
other cops. So if we want cops to do their
job and to tell when other cops are using excessive
force towards people, primarily people of color, then people of
color we have to be willing to stand up to
those people. And it's usually just a few people in

(28:38):
our community that are waking havoc on the whole community.
We can't let the thugs brain wash us. We can't
let the criminals brain wash us into thinking that somehow
we're doing something wrong when we are standing up for
the innocent people, the everyday working people in our community
and by and large, and this is just such a
such a myth. We have to break down communities embrace policing.

(29:02):
We just want constitutional policing. We want policing that honors
our community, that respects our lives, and that works with
us rather than against us. So this notion that somehow
black folks don't want police in our community, that's just
not accurate.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
That's disinformation, and it's harmful to our community.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
So yeah, people, if you are in a community that
is plagued by crime, stand up and do something. Take
control of your own community and protect those people, your mothers,
your fathers, your grandparents in these communities because they are
counting on us to be there and to stand up
for them when others we know outside of our communities
won't do it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Absolutely, you know. And I think there's a difference between
snitching and doing what's right. I think that there is
a To me, the street definition of snitching is I'm
involved in a crime, I am a necessary to it.
We all get caught, and I'm going to snitch on
everybody so I can do less time knowing that I

(30:02):
was a necessary to that crime. That's snitching. Being in
a community overseers what I call it, someone who is
there for their community, wants the best for their community,
and relays information to a police officer so that they
can keep public safety within their neighborhood. Is someone who's
doing what's right that is not a snitch. That is

(30:22):
called a community leader. I always say community leader does
not have to have a title. They do not have
to be a doctor, they don't do not have to
be a president of an organization like I am of NAACP.
If you are in the community and you are even
doing just one thing in your community that adds to
the betterment of that, you are a community leader. So
I want to thank you. But what I do want
to add to is what Riva said, You're absolutely right, Sis,

(30:43):
I like my community to be policed. When I got
nine one one, I want them to be at my
house as fast as they can get here. Okay, I've
had to call the police in the past, and I
do have a registered pistol in my home and they
were very helpful. Because I'm not the criminal, I want
the police to show up now. Of course, if I
was the criminal, I probably want them to stay far
the hell away. But that is to your point of

(31:04):
the citizens in the black community who are rightfully paying
taxes rightfully if they're not paying taxes and they're just
at home, mama bears, but they are doing the right thing.
We want policing presence, We want police help, and we
want more importantly, community policing. We don't want to be
you to come in and take over. We don't want

(31:25):
you to come in and enforce the law in a
way where we are then put in a place of discrimination.
But we do want community police and where we know
you as an officer, we trust you as an officer,
and we feel like you are part of our community.
That's important for us as black people.

Speaker 6 (31:40):
You know, the thing about it is, from where I
grew up, it was always this cold, that silence is
some sort of strength. But the thing about it is
when it protects the very violence that we claim to fight,
I think we are losing the plot. And the thing
about it is it's always been a narrative of the
dope voice them on a corner, and they're enforcing this

(32:01):
on the younger generation and the kids, so we grow up.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Believing the exact same things.

Speaker 6 (32:06):
But again it's the hypocrisy until I've never actually bowed
into it.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
I do agree what you said earlier ms Brian to
the idea that.

Speaker 6 (32:14):
When I'm part of the actual crime, it's I should
keep my mouth shut because I'm just I shouldn't snitch
on the people I went into crime with.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
But if I ain't got nothing to.

Speaker 6 (32:24):
Do with none of this, all y'all going down, that's
just me.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
They have the thing to me, the thing to me,
And thank you for holding it down while I was
having computer problems.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
You are thinking we gonna keep it. Really you took
the break under cals.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
The undercurrent of all this is a deep and righteous
distrust of the police in our communities and a sense
that Hooky and ray Ray might be selling rocks on
the block. But I know that, and I know their grandmother,
and I know who they are and what they're gonna do.
I don't know what that officer who I've ever seen

(33:02):
before is going to do, and who they're gonna beat up,
and how they're going to treat us in this community.
And they feel like an oppressive force in this community,
and to the notion of helping them seems anathema, even
though I'm like, hey, we do deserve a crime free community,
but I'm not helping the pigs under no circumstances by

(33:24):
helping the twelve. So I'm caught between. I feel safer,
especially in New York City. I feel safer around the
cribinals of New York than NYPD. I'm definitely not helping them,
So I'm sort of trapped as a community member.

Speaker 5 (33:41):
How Gods, let's say you're hitting up some really really
important points. Look, this whole notion of you know, cooperating
with the police, being an informant, it even goes back
to slavery days because we know during slavery, slavery, black
folks who were enslaved were incentivized to tell on other

(34:02):
enslaved people. So if you are that enslaved person that
told on the other enslaved people maybe who will trying
to escape, then you would get some kind of purpose.
So we've seen white folks who use black people in
ways to be disruptive and to be harmful.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
To our community. That's real.

Speaker 5 (34:18):
And what you just talked about to Ray in terms
of the police and how sometimes calling the police can
end up in more harm to a community than good.
All of those are really important points. But you also said,
Pooky and Ray, Ray, Let's be real, Pooky and Ray
Ray are also wreaking havoc on our community. They're standing
on that corner. Oftentimes they're pushing drugs to young people,

(34:38):
They're pushing drugs to students. Oftentimes they are enlisting young
people into games, into a life of crime. So let's
not act like what they're doing is self is somehow
righteous or good for the community. So this is a
really complex issue. I don't think there are any right
or wrong answers. We obviously want to protect our community,

(34:59):
We want to make sure our community is safe, but
at the same time, we also want to rid our
community of any cancer, of any violent criminals, whether they
are black, brown, green, or white, because at the end
of the day, we all are deserved to be protected.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
So let's talk about how we.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
Can put more resources into those communities so that Pooky
and ray Ray can come off those corners, get into
some kind of job training program, school, whatever, so that
we are not perpetuating those cycles of the time.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
I just I don't want to have that conversation and
just assume that Pooky and Rayver are the only criminals
in the conversation, because the pigs in blue are also
criminals in this right, I was just.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
About to say that, Torey, I was just about to
say that a couple of things you said, there is
a group of folks in our community that feel like, look,
I don't want to tell on Pooky Ray Bay because
I don't want to give the pigs any information. I
don't even like these pigs, me and the police officers, right,
I don't even I don't even trust law enforcement. Whose
fault is that? That's law enforcement's faults. You don't community
police us. We don't know you. We don't trust you

(35:59):
when you're talking about a police brutality on a community
where people are seeing it in their community, then we're
seeing it on television, which is secondary trauma. You want
us to trust you, You want us to tell you stuff,
You want us to give the information, and then after
we tell you something, you go back and tell the
exact people that we told on that we're the ones
that told, so there could be even more black on
black crime. We can't trust you. And second I was

(36:21):
going to say, is let's not act like Poky Ray Ray, Dante, Kiki,
whoever else you want to you want to call them
or name them, are the only criminals you have a
lot of law enforcement who are being paid to play.
Look at the Diddy case. You got a lot of
law enforcement that are turning the cheap when they're seeing
drugs being sold in our community. When they're seeing somebody
the millers ab in our community.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Someone who's turned away. It's acab. Yeah, but it's the
thing to hold on.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Guess what they're in paid to enforce the law.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
We are not.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
We are paying for them to do their job. And
so when you put that job on us as a
community to say, well, you guys should be their police
and you're a community, what a hold on? Hold on?

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Hold on.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
If I'm an at home mother, I'm doing my job.
If I'm a teacher, I'm going to my place of
informant to educate my students. If I am a person
who travels or an attorney doctor, I'm doing that. You
get what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
So, my father, I'm sorry. I think we're having two
different conversations here.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
I think we are all in total agreement that there
are role police officers that need to be removed.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
From police departments. There are some police of parmase that
I believe need to.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Be No, no, ma'am, No, ma'am, let me stop you, ma'am,
let me stop you. Malet, you said there are some
roague police officers. It's a cab. There is a system
of policing that play.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Needs to be dismantled. The whole policing structure is flawed
from the laws.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Their whole.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Structure that is flawed from the core, that needs to be.

Speaker 5 (37:52):
Torn down and rethought, restructured, reimagined. So I'm not suggesting
that police are the good guys in this scenario. But
we're tal talking about crime black crime in black neighborhoods,
crime in any neighborhoods, not just.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
Crime in black neighborhoods.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
But we were talking about snitching and what's the definition.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
And how do we deal with crime in our community
when we know about it?

Speaker 5 (38:15):
Are we as citizens do we have a responsibility to
come forward and help police?

Speaker 4 (38:21):
And I the first to say, very complicated, very complex.
It ain't an easy.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
Yes or no answer to this because some police know
you don't want to call them to help you get
your dog out of a tree or a cat out
of a tree because you can't tra me.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
And they got to create a safe space for us
to go to meet you I'm gonna go. You got
to create a safe space for us to do that.
Their job is to police us, to create a safe
space and to make sure that they are a part
of our community. I'm not going to be feel safe
Arriva to tell an officer something who I know doesn't
even respect me in my own community. I said this
in our other episode. If you don't have culture confidence

(38:57):
other people you serve it, keep your ass out of
that service pause position, because we deserve to be respected,
and maybe then we would have a relationship and not
just a transactional relationship with you. Well, we can trust
that we are safe when we are telling you things
that can help our community.

Speaker 6 (39:11):
You know, in all actuality, as I'm hearing it and
I'm thinking it back to my childhood and the way
I grew up and everything like that, this is less
about the police than we're making it. This is a
quote that we an agenda we pushed in our own neighborhoods.
The thing about it is that poolky that ray away
all of those people. We discussed it. I grew up
with a ton of those. I graduated grammar school with them.

(39:32):
These they became they was over my house. We became
family X y Z. I know those boys standing on
that corner, regardless or not I see, I see the
problems with them.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
It's almost like the devil you know versus the devil
you don't. Which one am I going to live with?

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Truth?

Speaker 6 (39:47):
The truth is we choose to live with what we know.
In living with what we know, we're just not going
to turn them in and send them to jail. That's
the reality of a conversation. The conversation is I'm comfortable here.
And the thing about it is, as long as I'm comfortable,
I ain't open in my mouth to help people. I'm
not uncomfortable. I mean, I'm comfortable with it's not happening.

(40:07):
And that's hold on. There's another aspect. There's another aspect.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Of all this that I want to add in also
because there is a tremendous amount of stitching actually happening
in this world, especially from folks who are telling us
to not stitch. There's another aspect, the confidential Inforbit who
is sharing information about criminal activities with law enforcement all
the time, quite often for Bunny, quite often to stay

(40:33):
out of prison themselves. They are talking with a benefit.
They are quite often immunized suff These deals are just
like backyard deals between one CI and one cop. Look
at this little video. That's some time then this guy
would be calling us that I'm trying to tell you,
I'm working with y'all.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Broad All right, are you working right this second? Right now?

Speaker 1 (40:58):
I work for you guys for the rest of my life.
What are you talking about, bro?

Speaker 4 (41:02):
Just really relaxed guy.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Book, All right, I know who he is.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
I've been dead right.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
I'm telling you talking to him.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
I'm telling you right now, I gotta give him ten
guns on Thursday.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
Anything about this.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Look, I'll talk to him all day.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Law, I can't. I'm a glass.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
You don't know.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
But this is a really complicated area of the law.
This man lives in the community, and he is paid
by police to talk about what he sees and knows.
And oh, those guys have guns, those guys are dealing drugs,
and he's hanging in the community like, Hey, I'm one
of you guys, and he is the cops living amongst us.

Speaker 5 (41:45):
Wow, in some ways, he's worse than some of the
other people that we've been talking about during this conversation
because he is exactly that person that is snitching, perhaps
because he's been involved in criminal activity himself and now
he's getting a past because he is snitching on folks
who may have been involved in criminal activity with him.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
That person is the ultimate person that betrays the trust.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
So they embed themselves in the community, They get the
trust of the folks in the community, and all along
they are collecting information on you, spying on you, and
then passing it on to police. I like the person
who calls the police and says, I live on the corner,
I just watched the drive by shooting, and I am here.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
To report this shooting. I like that person. That's the
community leader person that doctor B is talking about. I
don't think she's talking about.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
This guy is getting paid and embedding themselves in the
community and betraying the very people that are tracting that person,
making them a friend, making them a neighbor.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
I have problems with that.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Doctor Reeb's absolutely right. If you see a drive by,
you probably call the police. But a lot of these
calls are like I see a suspicious person, and that
person isn't necessarily doing anything, and yet somebody is dropping
a dime on them. They have a problem anything.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
All right, this is really pissing me off, and I'm
mad that y'all keep making me the baby black woman
on two talks. Okay, this is pissing me out.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Let me tell you why.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Because you're telling people what they should do in their hood,
in their inner city, in the area where the crime
rate is at an all time high. That is no
type of understanding culture competence, community competence for these people.
It's easier stop to rate.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Stop.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
It's easier to tell somebody from the outside looking in,
go and snitch on a drive bike, go and snitch
on Pooky and Ray Ray, and go back in that
neighborhood and live there when your life is at risk.
We also have to look at these people and understand
these people when not talking about the guy in video.
These people have to live in the area that they're
also snitching in, so sometimes they have to know when

(44:01):
to hold and know when to fold. Sometimes, to Arima's point,
if you're the old lady who lives on the corner
who we all know, you always call the police. She's safe.
Usually they don't deal with with kids and older women
or you know, old folks. They leave her alone. But
if you're this twenty five year old du who's just
trying to go back and forth to school and college
and make a living and make it out the good,
then maybe you should keep your mouth shut because they
put that may put your life at a higher risk.

(44:23):
We have to be very sensitive to a living condition
of people who we are telling them to do something
that could really be detrimental to them and not contribute
to the.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Community the media, you know, you know, Tori. It's two
things to note in this case.

Speaker 6 (44:36):
I want people to pay very close attention to how
they don't want to believe this man, Like, please look
at it. He say, I ain't got my glasses, I
can't x y Z. He may just be telling the truth. Right,
Let's just say he is telling the truth, and he
in the culture, and he's the snitch of the culture. Okay,
I don't agree with it, that's first off, because first
you could have got your ass a job in law

(44:57):
enforcement and been a goddamn undercover police officer.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
But that's not what the fuck you did.

Speaker 6 (45:01):
You'd rather sit where the people are you claim to
trust every day, help them commit a crime and then
get them put in jail. That's fucking ridiculous. But the
most important thing is how they don't want to believe
that man, because at the end of the day, you're
still seen as a criminal. Buddy, I don't know what
you think you're doing, Bucko. Second thing to know, please
understand this is social media. This is now global. So

(45:22):
that thing you were hiding your face when you took
that mask off, you just exposed yourself to your whole neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
I'd be surprised from where I'm from if that man
is still alive, Ariiva.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
There's also a whole other side of this too, because
the police tell each other not to snitch. They have
the blue wall of silence. They are not supposed to
comment or critique each other publicly. Is that not the
same thing as no snitch?

Speaker 5 (45:53):
Look, Terray, I'm so happy for the invention of the
cell phone and the cell phone camera because that disrupting
all of this blue wall of silence. We have seen
it in case affic case after case, some street cornta
journalists standing there with a cell phone that is recording

(46:13):
the actions of police, oftentimes the abuse of the excessive force,
the unconstitutional policing. We can think of case afflicase where
police have been caught on camera stories that would not
have ever seen the light of day. Police who would
have never been prosecuted but for those journalists taking those
cell phone videos. We need to disrupt anything that remotely

(46:38):
looks like the blue wall of silence. I have in
favor of police being prosecuted for failing to report or
other police officers that are engaged in misconduct.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
And they witness it. So if we want the police
blue wall of silence to fall, and I think we
all do. I want to make our community.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
Safe, doctor B so that the person in the community
feels like they can come forward and report some criminal
activity and not have to suffer repercussions.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
And when we talk about the hood book, I grew
up North Saint.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
Louis in about as hood as much I can get,
so I consider myself a part of that community.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
I want my community to be safe. I want us
to talk about how do we get to a point
because what we know better, We got to do better,
and we know better right now.

Speaker 6 (47:24):
We know our.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
Communities deserve to be safe, So what are we doing
to make them safe so that people can talk to
the police if it's appropriate to do so, and if
they choose not to do.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
So, how do we then stop the crime in our community?

Speaker 1 (47:37):
To be true, we want safe communities, We are safer communities,
and I mean in reality, I know New York, LA
And Chicago are safer, fewer homicides than you saw twenty
thirty years ago. But quite often the police are more
agents of chaos and violence and real crime than some

(47:57):
of the criminals in many ways. When we're talking no stitching,
we're talking about the war on drugs, right, and the
war on drugs has been more damaging to black communities
than the drugs ever were and the drug dealers ever were.
So we're talking about a fairly righteous and actually intelligent
rebuke of the police in our communities. In the whole

(48:20):
no stitching.

Speaker 6 (48:21):
Thing, No, absolutely, I think it starts. You gotta start young.
You got to get them what they're young. Please make
sure they understand. And this is all parents, I'm speaking
to make sure you actually understand what it is in
your child you want to instill. Because I remember when
I was growing up, my parents just told me, what
ain't your business? You mind yours? That's what she told me,

(48:42):
And the idea that she wanted to keep me safe.
She knew if I open my mouth about some shit
that I ain't got nothing to do with me, I
might not make it home. That was real important for
my mother when we were children. But you got to
make sure you're you establish what's important for your child.
And I think that's where it all starts to change.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Douck. You know, Oh, there's another angle of this, because
the idea of no snitching has been about adults most
of the time, but as a cultural thing, it sort
of seeps down even the way that we speak to children,
and even you may have somebody say to a child, oh,

(49:20):
no snitching, don't tell, And I think that's a really
dangerous message.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
You know.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
It's one message for adults who understand what we're doing
with mass incarceration and the war on but for children,
it's really damaging and dangerous.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
This is the thing. If it's my child, meaning not
an adult, you come and you snitch. If you want
to call it that, I call it. Talk to Mama,
and I will make the decision with you as to
what we do with that information. I would never teach
my child to ever go and entail an officers something,

(49:56):
unless under one circumstance their life was in danger or
if there was something they needed to help themselves. That's it.
Because this is the thing crime has been going on
since the beginning of time. We will be able to
create more public safety, we'll be able to alleviate crime
here and there, but it's going to continue to do
what it does. That's just what life does. I'm not
going to have my child now when I talk about

(50:17):
adult my child be subject to repercuss their consequences because
they were doing something outside of what I would know
and just because they feel like this is what's right
and this is what would help. I'm not doing I'm
not putting their life at the risk because at the
end of the day, if my baby has an issue
or goes to jail, or gets shot or gets killed
because of this, guess who has to deal with it.
Oftentimes it's not going to be the folks whose family

(50:38):
they helped. Who's going to be helping me and my child.
So I don't again, I think there's a between snitching
and doing what's right Torrey. But I would tell my kids,
and I would even offer parents to tell your kids.
You should be the point of contact for your child.
You should be the point of contact and you help
them figure out navigate circumstantial what makes sense for that
particular circumstance, because we know, and I'll land on this,

(51:00):
that unfortunately, we can't even trust a lot of times
law enforcement with our babies, with our kids. Our children
have been harmed and have been shot and have been
in crossfires with law enforcement many times, and it's just
it's not safe. It just really isn't.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
No, you're absolutely right. I want to get you guys
as a quick final answer as you wrap up. But
the police brought this on themselves by the way that
they have violently and oppressively policed our communities for decades.
So the notion that we have a deep distrusted the police,
that we would rather support the criminals than help the

(51:38):
police clean up our communities because we understand that the
police themselves represent crime and fear in our communities, that
that is their fault, that is not our fault. I
don't look at no snitching as some sort of character
problem for black people who the police have been behaving

(52:00):
in our communities for a very long time.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
And I just want you to say, who's followed this,
so that everyone in the chat, who's going crazy right now,
and there are folks who watch us understand whose fault
that is when we are not being policed right, we
are not created a safe space. We can't tell, we
can't call because there's haunts. Folks have called in their community.
Guess what's are right, They end up in jail, They

(52:22):
end up being the one that comes, and now they're
all of a sudden running their license, running their plate
right when they're the ones that call because they're the
victims of the crime. How did I end up in
the back of the car when I'm calling for your help.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
There's all sorts of ways that the police make our
lives harder, and that they prove to us over and
over again that we cannot trust them. I'm sure you've
seen this in your work one hundred times. We cannot
trust the police. So of course we're going to have
a communal response like no snitche Dimitri. This has been

(52:56):
going on in our communities for decades. This is an
old thing. I'm sure that the no snitching ethos comes
to you passed down perhaps from your fathers or your uncle,
your uncles or your father or people older than that.
Like this has been in our community for a long
time because we feel like we know we've been getting
mistreated by the police. This is a fairly obvious response

(53:20):
to that.

Speaker 6 (53:21):
Absolutely, but this is what I like the question for
the people in the comments or for the people at
home watching, if snitching is betrayal, what is turning.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
A blind out a murder?

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Like?

Speaker 6 (53:32):
Like, what is it? And the thing about it is
right now, I want you to drop in the chat
that time in third grade when that blue boy took
your chocolate milk. I want you to every time you
kept the truth to yourself. I want you to drop
it right here in the comments because it's going too far.
Please teach them kids, Please teach everybody that the actual
justice can never be found if we're not out here

(53:52):
advocating for it.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
So but I mean, you know, again, we're we're when
it's when it's a drive by or a murderer, you know,
or rape, like obviously we should get involved and help people.
But quite often with this we're talking about there's an
ongoing operation down the street. If you mind your business,
they'll mind their business and you won't have to interact
with them, you know. Or this person who's calling thinks

(54:16):
maybe they saw something, but they're not sure. And now
somebody who was doing nothing has a police problem, right,
And we know when the police show up, it's fifty
to fifty as a black person whether or not you're
going to survive that interaction. So to me, the whole
notion is, let's have black people have fewer interactions with
the police, period, and I will take my chances being

(54:36):
in proximity to criminals rather than being in proximity to
the police.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
Well, that's your personal opinion to ray. There are lots
of people who live in fear of criminals and police.
So I don't think it is a choice. And most people,
if they had a choice, they would say, I don't
like either. I don't want to be in proximity to criminals,
and I definitely don't want to be in proximity to
cops that may they shoot me, may abuse me, may

(55:02):
violate my constitutional rights. What I want to be is
safe in my communities. And what is going to allow
me to be safe in my communities? And that means
free of criminals, and it means free of police. The
police departments that we have now in this country that
were built on slave patrols, police that were you know,
suppressed black voices and to oppress black bodies. So I

(55:25):
don't like the choices. I want a whole other choice.
We talked about independent political party. I want a third choice,
and I want that choice to be my safety, the
safety of my family and the safety of my community,
not with criminals and not with police that are basically
slave patrols.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Well, yeah, for tonight, and that's a brilliant point. I
want to leave it on that. I love that. Thank
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Speaker 3 (56:27):
They don't find save space, but they won't find no snitches.
But what I will say is that y'all can come
to my room and you can tell me all your stuff,
and what goes on in the Doc squadroom stays in
the doc squadroom because we won't be snitching on y'all
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(57:16):
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