EPS 015 Diddy Will Testify, Beyonce is Demonic

Faith vs. Fame? A growing number of Black Christians are calling pop culture demonic—and the debate is tearing through TikTok, pulpits, and Black Twitter. Is the church waking up or out of touch? Plus, a U.S. travel ban is stranding critically ill Haitian children—exposing deadly gaps in global Black care. We break down the silence, the policies, and the fight for justice. Also: Pastor Jamal Bryant vs. Cardi B over the Target boycott—necessary accountability or culture clash? And with Diddy’s scandals growing, could a presidential pardon really be next? This episode unpacks the fire, faith, and fallout shaking the culture.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, beautiful people. All the truth talks, but we attempt
to bridge the gap between generations with conversations that are
all over the place. I swear we giving you enough
to argue about you will not be disappointment today. We're
trying to break down you know why Trump's trying to
free Diddy? Why passed Jamal Bryant's calling out Cardi b

(00:22):
And if the word demonic is just being used too
freely these days, why are we just throwing it around everywhere?
You know a lot of people would say, Dmitri, thank
you for a place in Tororey, because you've done such
a better job. But I'll let Torrey tell you himself.
Let me go find him who talk starts now? Are

(00:53):
y all ready to row? Let y'all wow to beet you?
That was amazing?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Or somebody who's working in their second language. I applaud you,
good fond you, good job. How welcome truth tellers. We
got a lot to impact tonight, from the Dinny trial
to where you sped your money, to whether or not
you should be tithing because is everything demonic nowadays? Please
welcome my co host, doctor Cheyenne Bryant.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Damn, I thought she was gonna be on mute this
whole episode or not here when I saw Themitri do
the intro.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
But unfortunately, True Tellers.

Speaker 5 (01:29):
We're stuck.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
What my brother's for ready again? Anyw Yeah, we got
some good hot topics and uh yeah, I just have
to let me go.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
I need some time of process effect that I got
to deal with him for a whole other episode.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
I'll be back, I'll be back.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I am happy to see Reva Martin here. How are you,
my sister.

Speaker 6 (01:48):
I am fantastic having a fantastic time hanging out with
the Truth Tellers.

Speaker 7 (01:54):
Mmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
And I called his mom to make sure it was
okay he could stay with us for the whole hour,
to make sure.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
It is a pleasure to be a happy Friday.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Got out of your babysitting duties, so now you're free
for a little while. Thank God for that. All right,
let's get into trended true story number one. Donald Trump
was asked if he would consider pardoning Diddy, who faces
federal racketeering and sex trafficking charges. He's still on trial
right now, so it's probably a little early to even

(02:27):
ask this question, but of course people are asking the question.
Trump did not commit to a pardon, but he said
he would think about it. Take a listen.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
You mentioned once in twenty twelve and Diddy was a
good friend of yours.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
In fact, then he has since found himself in some
very serious legal trouble. Would you ever consider pardoning him?

Speaker 8 (02:47):
I know people are thinking about it. I know they're
thinking about it. I think some people have been very
close to asking. First of all, i'd look at what's happening,
and I haven't been watching it too closely, although it's
certainly getting a lot.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Of coverage, so I don't know. I would certainly look
at the.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Faction trials so long agoing so it's a little early
to be talking about a pardon. He might be acquitted.
We nobody knows, so there's a lot of ifs here.
But if someone is convicted in a case like this
and then pardoned, what does that say about the justice system?
When the president is able to pardon people not because

(03:26):
he's articulating something happened wrong here, but because I like
that person or they gave me a million.

Speaker 6 (03:31):
Dollars, Well we know, to ray, when the pardon comes
from this president, it says a lot about the corruption
in our government, and to be clear. You can be
pardoned midway through a trial. You can be pardoned after
you've been indicted. So the president, if he wants to,
he doesn't have to wait until the jury comes back
with a verdict. He could call up the Department of

(03:54):
Justice and tell them to drop the charges against Diddy,
or he could issue a presumptive pardons. Let's be clear
about that.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Next.

Speaker 6 (04:02):
This makes my stomach turn when you think about Donald
Trump and the pardons that he's done since he's been
in office this term and his former term. He is
number three on the list in terms of the number
of partons that have been issued. And as you said,
not for people who served excessive time, say for low
level drug offenses, or people who are caught up in
our criminal justice system and are serving excessive time because

(04:25):
they're black or brown. But his pardons primarily are for
his friends, for his political allies.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
We saw that with.

Speaker 6 (04:34):
The fifteen hundred insurrectionists that he pardoned pretty much on
day one of his second term. So when you think
about the people that Donald Trump partons, even the Chris Lies,
the reality show folks, they defrauded banks out of thirty
six million dollars, and they are walking away after serving
just a fraction of their time. Meanwhile, you and I

(04:54):
and everyone on this show and all of our audience
know that there are black folks serving life stealing a
pack of gum. So these pardons aren't justice in this case.
The christlies is white privilege, and in the case of Diddy,
it would be demoralizing to the Department of Justice and
to our jury system as a whole.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah, demeans. We've seen NBA, Young Boy and Kodak Black
and Larry Hoover pardoned by this president, but maybe Diddy
will happen. But like, yeah, it seems it seems if
it's strange to have somebody saying I'm gonna do pardon
people because I like them, not because there's a mistake
in the system, not because something went wrong and we

(05:35):
can deal with that, but because I like that individual.
Like that seems like a strange way to run a country.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
But you know, you got to ask yourself. Is he
saying I'm going to pardon them because I like them,
or is he saying I'm going to pardon them because
you like them? The idea that you you like me,
if I set your people free, I'm giving you what
you want, right, Ain't that when I'm doing criminals love
to he criminals. After this, we're going to see if
the next president pardons Donald Trump because his ass needs

(06:04):
to be got locked up. That's how I see it, Jesus, Doc.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Diddy would be pardoned because he would be exactly a
political ally. Trump doesn't do anything without strategy, without an
end result. He works backwards. He sees the end and
he starts to work from there. And so when he
says I'm partnering this person because I like him, it's
because they can benefit me. I can benefit from them.
And so we all know that like Republicans do, which

(06:33):
I don't blame him for this, they strategize.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
I do believe that he is looking at a strategy.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
And even if puff Daddy is, Diddy isn't a political
ally today in twenty twenty five, you got to remember
how quick people forget things.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
People are still playing R.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Kelly's music all on the radio in their home, and
so you know, in twenty twenty eight, I think Diddy
could be a really big ally for Trump if he
gets out twenty twenty five and has two three years
to redeem himself.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Absolutely, And I also want to add this.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
I think Diddy's his team would be absolutely stupid to
not at least ask to see if why would they
not inquire for Trump to do it? Who I mean,
if I was represent him, that'd be the first thing
I try to do, is can you partner and try
to make some type of negotiation with Trump?

Speaker 2 (07:18):
I mean, there's absolutely a chance that Trump might pardon him.
I don't think he really cares or even understands the law.
I don't think he cares or understands the danger that
this person could represent to the community. You know, we
are already talking allegedly about arson, extortion, bribery, throwing somebody

(07:38):
off of a balcony, beating up a woman multiple times,
which we've actually seen, so we get. I mean, like,
this is a violent person, and like Cassie and Jane
and many other people would be in significant danger, would
feel themselves in significant danger if this person were pardoned.
I would feel myself in danger if this person were pardoned.

(07:58):
But I don't think Trump would even think about any
of that arriva. I think he governs and handles this
sort of thing entirely selfishly. How does this relate to me?
What does this have to do for me without thinking
about how it relates to other people.

Speaker 6 (08:13):
We should all be in fear to ray because of
the insurrectionists, the Proud Boys, white supremacists who were pardoned
by Donald Trump, including individuals that were responsible for the
depths of police officers. Trump, as you just said, doesn't care.
And let's talk about money. A couple of the people
that were pardoned recently by Donald Trump. We know that

(08:34):
one of the individuals again in charge, was charged and
convicted of fraud defrauding the government out of payroll taxes
for employees. His mother donated a million dollars to the
Trump campaign. The daughter of the Chrislies was very big
in the RNC during the campaign for Donald Trump, spoke

(08:56):
at the Republican National Convention, led a group of women
for Trump. So we cannot forget the monetary role that
is so prevalent in a lot of these parts because
Trump directly the party are and see the Republican Party
benefiting monetarily. So it is paid for play. The White
House is open. And if you got a million dollars

(09:18):
to donate to the campaign and you want someone out
of jail, you better donate that million.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
Dollars and put your application in it, because.

Speaker 6 (09:25):
Unlike times we've ever seen before, this government is selling
those partons.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
That's one hundred percent right. If you have a million dollars,
you can get anybody out of prison. And that's a
kind of a disgusting way to run a government and
a Bureau of Prisons. That has nothing to do with
fairness or equality. That has to do with the privatization
of the White House, the selling of the White House,
the Trump way of monetizing the presidency, which is completely

(09:54):
not democratic and what we're supposed to do. And of
course black people are going to lose out in that
exchange all the time. Let's move on to our second
story in our trending topics, Target has lost billions because
of the Black community boycotting Target. Congratulations and good on y'all.
Y'all have made a difference. But in the words of

(10:15):
the Great Kendrick Lamar, it's not enough. Pastor Jamal Bryant
took to Instagram to call out Carti b after she
posted a picture of herself shopping at Tar Jay with
her children. He reminded Carti she's got to support the boycott.
She's part of the community, Dmitri, does the pastor have
a point?

Speaker 1 (10:34):
I mean yes, I mean I have to give it
to him. I'm with him when he right. I mean
the time is now to take a stand. And I
feel like with Cardi B being as influential as she is,
this is a big deal, bigger than She's not just
your average joke. This is not just the lady walking
the street. This is someone who impacts millions by random

(10:56):
things she posts. Even if you're gonna do it, why
you gotta why you gotta post the car? You letting
me down?

Speaker 2 (11:02):
No, doctor, He's totally right that even if she's snuck
into Target on her own, but like taking a picture
really thumbs her nose at the boycott that tons and
tons of black people are participating about talking about online.
Everybody knows about it. So why she's going against it
when she's usually like down with the community the things

(11:23):
that we're trying to do. I don't understand what she's doing.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yes, that's exactly what I was going to say, is
that I'm surprised by Parti because Carti is not only
supportive in our community, but Carti has got on social media,
on social media, live and on her page and posted
a lot of her political political views on things, and
you know, to a lot of people surprised at least
minds when I first heard her talk. She's pretty politically savvy,

(11:46):
like she knows some of herself when she's speaking on
behalf of certain policies and even on certain things that
Trump was doing during the election, and so to see
her do that is surprising. But I want to push
back on what Dmiti said because I felt like, if
she's going to do it, she shouldn't just do it
and hide her hands. If she's going to support how
about don't do it at all and just understand that,

(12:07):
you know, we do have to have celebrities and people
who have big platforms use their platform for more than
just monetizing for their own personal gain. There is a
community out there that depends on you, that's watching you,
and of course you decide not to You're not just
you know some you know, we don't want to what
demonize you, but we would life for you to be
a part of our you know, community call of actions

(12:30):
by using your platforms and your voice to help us
push these calls because we do need you. But I
want to end on this we know that using entertainment
as Kamala did when she ran for office, obviously doesn't
win votes, and it obviously doesn't win us over because
we weren't able to get.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Her in office.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
But what it can do is it can talk and
be a voice to a culture that is listening and
that is watching what these celebrities do.

Speaker 6 (12:55):
But really is that the case, doctor b Because we
saw every celebrity possible come out for Kamala Harris during
that election last year, and now they are experiencing backlash
in social media. A lot of them are being blamed
for why the Democrats lost the election. So on one hand,
we're saying, celebrities, use your platform, be a voice, speak out,

(13:17):
get involved in politics. And then when they did it
at the highest level, from Oprah to Beyonce to just
about every eight listen you can name in Hollywood, the
people spoke and the people said, celebrities, go drill basketball,
go sing a.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
Song, go bang a band.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
A lot to suggest that Kamala's loss, which is offered
by many many many things, misogyny, racism, the very tiny
amount of time she had, the law, the change and
strategy from her early days, which is very successful to
what she started doing after two months in and there's
a lot of reasons why this didn't work out. It's

(13:58):
very hard to blame this on Well, you had celebrities
that didn't work out, so celebrities don't it's yes.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Got it.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
So again, my theory is the way that she went about.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
It, which is using entertainment, using sexy, read, using wrap,
using a narrative that is negative in our community. From
my experience as a taxpayer, a voter, and a Democrat,
it did not work. So what I said was using
celebrities to push policies and campaigns.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
As far as elections has shown, from my opinion, it
does not work. Having them on their platforms.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
As influencers giving out a narrative or a call of action.
It tends to work in our community when we're saying, hey,
don't go to a target, Hey go buy this shirt,
hey go read this book.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
When it goes to those call of actions, it works.
Let me tell you why I believe.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
That is exactly why I had a problem with commonly
using entertainment and using sexy as in using only these
folks to get our attention, because we are a community
of people that are not as educated on policy in legislation.
As we sh there may be the group of us
on here on two talks who are educated on that,
who sit around and have these conversations with our colleagues,
our friends, and our families. But majority of the culture

(15:09):
are not talking about running for office, or talking about
their local officials, or talking about Assembly or Congress, our
Supreme Court.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
They're not having that conversation. So again, if we're going
to be talking to our people.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
About politics and legislation, we first have to educate them
so they know what running for office looks like. It's
not an entertainment thing. It's policies. Legislation is who is
going to help you, your community, your house sold collectively
get to a place of a better quality of life.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
And that's not what I see.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
That's not the campaign that I've seen that I contributed
to and that I support it.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
I'm allowed to have my idea.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
You're critical of Kamala last season. What role do you
think that celebrities should be playing in Boycott's Like do
black celebrities need to be like blockstep with everything? I mean, like,
can she not have her own opinion?

Speaker 4 (15:56):
So I don't think black celebrities just have a respe
fonsibility to be a community leader.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Some of them want to be actors and rappers, and
that's just what they want to be, and that's okay
if that's their choice. I believe that whatever platform you have,
we as people have a responsibility to even if it's
our local community, whether it's our neighborhood or household, our
local organizations, to do something that benefits at least us.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
As a culture, us as a group of people.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
So again, I don't want to put it on them
like they have to, because people have a free will,
they have the freedom to do what they choose. What
I would like to say is I offer that they
use their platform to align with some of our call
of actions, to align with some of our issues, like
a pastor Jamal Bryant, and support what we're doing, because.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
Who do you think supports them? How do you think
they became platform, How do you think they became a celebrity.
How do you think that they're being paid. We are
the biggest consumers.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
So we're keeping their album alive, We're keeping their movie alive,
We're keeping their merch alive, We're keeping their product alive.
Because we have black people spend the most money on
their products, So I just think it would be nice
for us.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
To have their support given back.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
It's not just that it'll be nice. I think we
ain't one of the biggest attack on blacks and brown
culture in recent history, Like by far, we need every
single celebrity we can get to be on one band
one sound like I do understand what you're saying, doctor Brian.
There is celebrities who just want to be actors and
rappers and singers. But the thing about it is, you

(17:23):
do understand you have influence. And I wasn't saying Cardi
b should go, you know, hide her hand to any degree,
but do not use the influence to go against everything
we're fighting for. At least don't use it to go
against everything. And that's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
See, I don't want them to go against what we're doing.
But I think the notion that we need or should
have celebrities to forward political messages is completely misunderstanding the
whole situation.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
I don't think it's about forwarding political messages. This is
about creating reform for black people black culture. Like this
whole target thing was to push against people who don't
support us. This was a yeah to me, it's not.
It's less political and more cultural change. For me.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
I don't think we need I don't think the problem
is whether or not celebrities who we know for singing, rapping,
acting are carrying the message. We have political leaders and
activists who can speak to our political needs, and we
should be leaning more on them rather than hearing about
celebrities and what they have to say.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
Now, I totally disagree with you Jury, and I disagree
with what doctor B said.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
First of all, with.

Speaker 6 (18:40):
Respector karma hare, she had one hundred and seven days. People,
we got to remember that she had to capture the
attention of the entire country to try to put forth
a winning campaign in one hundred and seven days, never
been done before. And she didn't create this society where
we live in, where we revere actors and entertainers. She
inherited that we all inherited that. So we live in

(19:02):
a culture where if you're trying to get the attention
of people, particularly black people, you can do that a
lot faster and a lot more effectively when you do
it through influencers, messengers, and those influencers, the bigger influencers
in our community happen to be entertainers, they happen to
be rap stars, they happen to be sports figures. So
we use what we have. So I think we can

(19:24):
do both things. You can have politicians pushing a message.
You can have pastors like doctor Jamal Brian pushing a message.
But absolutely we should call on our celebrities, those that
we have made big, those who we.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Have poured our hard earned.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
Money into to get them where they are.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
We have every right to ask them to show up
for us and to support causes that are going to
lift up everyday people, poor people, working people, mothers and
single parents. Yes, we should be calling on them, and
shame on Cardi b I love her, I love her musically,
I love what she usually stands for, but I think
this was a big misstep on her part by posting
that picture.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yes, and I just want to say, hear you, sis,
but obviously push back. I think that our political leaders
need to have more respect for our community.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
They need to understand that we are not just entertainment.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
We are not just athletes, that we are educated, that
we are doctors, attorneys, community leaders, elected officials, commissioners, mothers,
and all those things that we can handle talking about policy.
We can handle talking about legislation. We can handle having
real conversations at the table. You don't have to commingle
somebody who's popping their ass on the stage. You don't
have to commingo somebody who's rapping to get our attention.

(20:36):
We should be a community of people that don't always
have to have entertainment in order for them to get
our attention. We should be able to be at the
table having conversations about what politics is about. It's about legislation,
policy and leadership and who is going to lead us,
not who is going to entertain us. What we have
in office right now is a Hollywood entertainer, and this

(20:58):
is exactly why we have a curcha is because he's
doing more entertaining and making money than he is serving us.
This is why I push back on the fact that
we have to understand as a people, there's a time
to be entertained, but there's a time to have a
real conversation that has to do with policy leadership, and
it does not have to do with a dropping it
like it's hot, a rap video or some big production.
For our people to be gathered and mobilized to the

(21:20):
table totally.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
You're doing is you're getting.

Speaker 6 (21:24):
Into the particulars of who that entertainer is. Like You're
making references to people popping their butts, torking, or whatever,
So you're going into the quality of the entertainer. Maybe
you didn't like Sexy Red or someone else that was
on the campaign.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
But the reality is, you look at cable news stations.

Speaker 6 (21:38):
You look at the number of black folks that are
watching cable news and other stations that are related just
to are dedicated just to politics. They those numbers payal
in comparison to the numbers of folks who are watching
entertainment related shows. You can't deny that. So the reality
is entertainment is huge in our community.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
I mean, of course, entertainment is huge, But if we
don't have entertainers who can effectively explain and articulate the
political issues, then a whole conversation is lost. They go
back to Colin Kaepernick, who had a beautiful and powerful
physical protest on the sidelines, and then we go in
the locker room and try to ask him to talk

(22:16):
about these issues, and he is not the most articulate
talker on these issues, and it lost some of the
power of his protests that he couldn't explain it. And
that's something that pastor Jamal Bryant or other activists are
better at than some of our entertainers. Let's move on
to our politic gig segment, which is kind of heartbreaking

(22:37):
has been typically usually Trump and Steven Miller are back
on the Travel Band bullshit. There. Recent band has affected
a large population from Haiti that will stall or cancel
all kinds of life safety procedures for at least a
dozen kids or young adults. The band goes into effect Monday,
offering exceptions for those who are lawful, permanent residents or

(22:59):
traveling for the World Cup or the Olympics. But there's
people who have serious medical necessities that may be coming
here looking for open heart surgery or things that can
save their lives or change their lives and make their
lives much better. Their children diagnosed with rheumat rheumatic heart
disease that need help, and the Travel Band is affecting

(23:21):
their life. There's a large population of Haitian folks in
Massachusetts that this is affecting. Let's take a look at that.

Speaker 9 (23:28):
Video directed to push more than a half million Haitians
out of the United States in less than six months
is being called unrealistic and unfair by Jeff Fielman with
the International Institute of New England.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
You will see communities ripped the part.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
You will see families ripped the part.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
They followed legal pathways to get here. They did everything
that they were supposed to do.

Speaker 9 (23:52):
The Department of Homeland Security says about fifty seven thousand
Haitians registered for temporary protected status following a devastating seven
point zero magnitude earthquake in twenty ten. That status was
renewed under the Biden administration in twenty twenty one amid
civil unrest after the assassination of Hades President.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Since we'll have disastrous consequences for them.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
These are people that have been here some since twenty ten.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
A lot of them have had US citizen children here
in the US.

Speaker 9 (24:22):
Under the Biden administration, Haiti's temporary protected status was extended
through February third, twenty twenty six, but protection from deportation
and work permits are now set to end on August
third of this year.

Speaker 10 (24:36):
They knew what it was when they came here on
temporary It says right on it temporary, so they knew
it was temporary, and the temporary is.

Speaker 9 (24:43):
Oliver Lewis Murray, chairman of Bostonians Against Sanctuary Cities, is
applauding the Trump administration for following through on mass deportation
promises and scaling back the use of temporary protected status.

Speaker 10 (24:56):
The Haitians have had a chance now since the twenty
ten earthquake to kind of get their out together, and
now we have a chance they can go back safely
and rebuild their lives.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
America has a long history of turning Haitians away in
the most dire human circumstances, really sad stories. If people
are people have applied legally and received refuge, what right
do we have to send them back? And how often
are we actually sending people back really based on political
motives rather than actual legal questions.

Speaker 6 (25:30):
Well toay, before Donald Trump be carrying the president, if
you had if you were a legal resident of the
United States, if you had migrated here and you had
done everything required by you by law to become a residence,
you didn't have anything to worry about. But all that
change when we elected, we being the country, elected Donald

(25:51):
Trump as president. And look when people show you who
they are, believe them. And he showed us when he
was running. He told us what he was going to
do as it relays immigrants. And I guess what some
of his voters are now saying is they didn't understand
that he was going to trample on the constitutional rights
of individuals here. He was going to totally disobey their

(26:12):
due processed rights and basically decide to make the lives
of black and brown immigrants in this country a living hell.
He's always had a disdain for black and brown immigrants
in a way that we don't see. He has towards
like white South Africans, who he has embraced, who he's
opened his arms to, who he has you know, applauded

(26:34):
and brought them.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
Into this country. So this is the same.

Speaker 6 (26:37):
Old Trump Trump two point oh, racist Trump two point oh.
The travel band is another just demonstration of his anti
blackness and his sustain for people of color.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
To me true, he said it's okay, you can go
back home and die. Imagine a policy ignoring the pulse
of a dying child like and I hear you, miss Martin,
I hear you when you say you know this country
is currently saying I didn't understand what he meant and
what he was going to know a lot of these

(27:10):
motherfuckers understood a lot of these motherfuckers knew exactly what
this meant, and they agree with it, and that was
the that was the problem. A lot a lot of
people knew. And now that this in effect, they just
clapping behind closed doors. A lot of motherfuckers knew.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
And I think that's the problem, Doc, Yeah, I just
think it's completely inhumane, completely inhumane.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Again.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
You know, I'm the one who believes healthcare is a
human right, mental health is.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
A human right.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
And then the dude who was in the video says,
they've had enough time to go back to their country
and get their lives together.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
That is the epitome of the white.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Privilege, the white supremacy, the systemic racist mindset, the strong
disconnect from anything outside of being white, the bubble they
live in.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
You want these people.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
To go back to their country that is Third war world, underprivileged,
under resource and dismantled to get their life together. Come on, buddy,
you understand what's going on here. You don't want anything
that looks different than you, that cannot benefit you from
money or power being in what you believe is your country,

(28:21):
not our country. That is a problem.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
That's okay, let me say I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
Let me say this to meet you. When I say
some of these people are saying they didn't understand.

Speaker 6 (28:30):
What I'm speaking to is I've seen a large number
of Latino voters expressing voters remorse. We know Trump won
a greater percentage of Latino votes, particularly male votes, are
than what anyone had anticipated. And now when you see
these raids of predominantly Latino communities, I've seen folks on TV.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
Saying I didn't know, we didn't know.

Speaker 6 (28:53):
What they really meant was we thought it was going
to happen to another community, not our community.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
They didn't care as well as it didn't hit home.

Speaker 6 (29:00):
But now that this is hitting home, folks are having
They're being forced to wake up and to accept that
which they have been in denial about since Trump has
been a lot in Ariva.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
This is true talks.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
And so because you said they knew, they just believed
and hoped it would happen to another community, because it's
true talks, can you can you say loud and clear
what community that they believed in, thought and hoped it
would happen.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
To you and not this.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
I just want to hear it.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
I just bet you thought it would just be us.

Speaker 6 (29:28):
As long as it's going to be black folks, we
are always we are always at the bottom. We are
the ones that suffer the most. And then it is
the Latino community. It's black and brown folks that suffer
from these racist, oppressive policies. But you know a lot
of folks, doctor b and you know this, everybody on
this show knows. There's a lot of folks who are

(29:48):
black and who are brown identify as white. They like
that white proximity and they think by being white proximate
that they are going to reap the benefits of white privilege.
They're going to reap the benefits the protection that white
people in this country gets. And then they get this
root awakening when ice comes knocking on the doors of
their friends, their neighbors.

Speaker 5 (30:11):
And then they have to realize, you know what I'm.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
Just isis jay Z said.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Jay Z said it best aarriva. He said, after all that, still, nigga,
go on, tore tag you it.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
I mean, you know the thing is that you know
we have people coming here looking for medical help, and
we're treating this way. And this country has been beacon
for immigrants, political, medical, all sorts for a very long time.
And to see this country turn recently and in recent

(30:44):
years to say now we're going to be evil and
mean to immigrants and get rid of them, that is
the opposite of what America has been for a long time.

Speaker 6 (30:53):
Well tooray, if you're a white Africana, you can come
here and say that you are in fear of your life,
You're in fear of black South Africans killing you on
your farm, and you can find refuge, you can find support,
you can find solas, you can find a home, you
can find resources.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
It's just if you are not white. So we got
to be real clear.

Speaker 6 (31:13):
These immigration policies are not utilized, they're not applied, they
are not executed on a race neutral basis. When you
will get the thirteen or twelve or thirteen countries that
are now the subject of a travel ban, seven or
eight of those countries are black or ground countries.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
So this issue, this.

Speaker 6 (31:30):
Inhumanity, this evilness that we see around immigration, it does
not impact all immigrants.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
To say it is.

Speaker 6 (31:39):
Our communities that are disproportionately impacted.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
By these inhumane policies.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
No, absolutely what we see out of the relationship, the
relationship to the brown folks coming from the southern border
and folks wanting to come from Africa who are not
the white South Africans, Like, it's clear that there's a
desire to whiten the country, get black and brown people
out of the country, if possible, bring more white people
into the country. Let's move on to segment three, real talk.

(32:10):
Some people feel like everything is demonic right now, Like
there's a growing outcry from Christians who are like it
seems like everything is demoic and like we can't even understand,
like where we can go. Like I went to the
Cowboy Carter concert the other day in New Jersey. It
was extraordinary, and there are folks who are saying that

(32:30):
they rebuke me, that I was wrong as a Christian
for going to such a thing. Let's listen, let's.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Let the sister talk.

Speaker 11 (32:38):
Any of you that are going to Beyonce's concert, I
rebuke you in the name of Jesus, because there was
no And you know what rebuke is is a sharp
disapproval of something that you're doing. It means that you're
going against the standard of Christ that you're living in.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Riva. Do you understand why the sister and others that
she not alone, would think that Beyonce or just any
of the major pop cultural things that we are all
about nowadays that are demonic.

Speaker 6 (33:07):
Well, I understand that's what they've been taught. I understand
that if you grow up in certain black churches, you
have been taught that. I had a friend who told
me the very same thing that she told her mom.
She was going to the Cowboy Carter concert, and her
mother told her that it was demonic and that Beyonce
basically was the devil. And you know, I feel sorry

(33:29):
for a lot of these Christians to rade because they've
been brainwashed.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
They have been misled.

Speaker 6 (33:35):
They have been taught the Bible by people who themselves
don't even understand the Bible, who cherry pick and take
very literally certain verses from the Bible to fit their
own narrative, to fit their own agenda, to fit their own,
you know, ideology, without regard for the harm that it causes.

(33:55):
So I can understand why this woman and others are
scratching their heads. Then they don't know what to believe
because they've been fed a bunch of disinformation and it's
harmful to our community.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
To be true, I don't want to pile on Beyonce
or Cowboy Carter, because folks, the folks we're talking about,
are seeing demonic influence all over the place, right in
all sorts of culture and all sorts of capitalism, what
have you, all over America. So it's much more than Beyonce.
But like, do you understand why folks are seeing demonic

(34:29):
influence in all sorts of things?

Speaker 1 (34:32):
People look for patterns, Honestly, I think that's the nature
of being the human. You look for patterns in what
you see. Oh, I seen this thing here, and I've
seen this hand sign here, and they use that over
there as well, and we tied together in all actuality.
I think it's a discomfort with power more than anything.
I think people look at the influence that others actually have,

(34:55):
like Beyonce and her ability to put fifty thousand peopeople
in the stadium at one time, and be like, oh,
this can't be God or dain because this is too powerful.
In my opinion, whether it's a feminine nature or just
a a business nature, anything to that degree is going
to be labeled as the devil's work. But God gives

(35:18):
love to God wants you to have things as well.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
And you know, bild is like so sweet and night like.
Her whole thing is like I am mother, I am protector,
I am lover like like I love you like.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
I could see it, I could see the idea with
other people better. But maybe I have no understanding. Because
I went to Emery in Atlanta and there was a
very robust and beautiful Black Greek scene. We got to
know most of Thevine nine organizations on that campus and
on the AUC campus as well, and I found these

(35:54):
organizations to be really powerful, really inspiring, really interesting. And
yet some folks in the community we're talking about are
saying the Divine nine also has demonic things that are
holding you back from your relationship with the Lord. Let's
see the sister talk about wanting to leave or feeling
a deed, feeling called to leave sororities so that she
could be fully present for her marriage rollback.

Speaker 12 (36:18):
One of the other things was Delta, and he specifically said,
I can't put you in covenant with your husband until
you break the covenant with Delta.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yes, that's what you said, m h.

Speaker 12 (36:35):
And I didn't know what the Lord was talking about.
I'm like, who in covenant with Delta? What is a covenant?
What I got to do with my husband?

Speaker 4 (36:45):
I don't you, Lord?

Speaker 12 (36:47):
Are you speaking another language to me? But even though
I didn't understand what the Lord was talking about, I
knew I still have to be obedient and come out.
I knew I understood that denounce.

Speaker 13 (37:00):
You understand why I didn't understand why.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
No, I had no idea why.

Speaker 12 (37:04):
Even when God was telling me the denounce, I said,
but why, Like Delta has been nothing but good for me?

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah, Ariba, do you understand why it would be a
contradiction for some people to be in Delta Sigma Data
or Alpha Kappa Alpha whatever and then also be married, Like,
I don't see why that's the problem. And I know
a lot of sisters who are married in akas and
DSTs what have you and brothers afay q all the

(37:31):
things Kappa shout out to those. I didn't mention, no shade,
But I mean, like, I don't see the challenge.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
Absolutely absolutely not.

Speaker 6 (37:41):
What is the connection between a sorority or a fraternity
and your love for your husband, your partner, your spouse
or for.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
That matter, your belief in God.

Speaker 6 (37:51):
Again, Terrey, we cannot minimize the amount of brainwashing that
goes on in churches around this country, not just black churches,
but we're talking about black people today, so black churches
and a lot of that, let's keep it a hundred,
is done to manipulate people and to get them to tithe,
to get them to give financial gifts, to get them

(38:14):
to give money to the church, and to enhance the
life and the lifestyle of a lot of these pastors
who live better than some of the CEOs of Fortune
five hundred companies. So we got to talk about money
in religion and the role that it plays in the
same way we are quick to criticize money in politics.
Money in church is a real thing. And somebody making

(38:37):
this woman feel like she can't be a delta and
have her husband, and she herself is saying, I don't
even really know what this is about. Well, I would
say to this sister, please use your brain. You obviously
went to college, You're obviously smart. Even if you didn't
go to college, you're an intelligent woman. Use your own brain,
do your own thing. Don't leave your brain at the
door when you walk inside.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
A church. Don't let the pastor thinking be a substitute
for your own thinking.

Speaker 6 (39:04):
Ask questions, and if you don't understand it, it probably
don't make sense.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
We've seen two sisters talk about their side of this.
The brothers are having some of the same thoughts around this.
We got a fraternity brother destroying the things that mark
him in the fraternity, which is a big deal if
you're in the fraternity and the work you're to get
into Fraturney's very hard because of Christianity.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Let me see that clip.

Speaker 14 (39:33):
So today I am denouncing my green letter academic honor societies.

Speaker 15 (39:38):
So as you may know if you have been denouncing
the Divine Nine organizations.

Speaker 14 (39:46):
And while I have my own personal opinions about them,
not all negative, not all positive. However, through my personal prediction,
as I'm going to my faith, even the more some things,
I don't want to pleasure my life to you for eternity,
it is not to Jesus Christ. And so whether that's
a re letter organization, as a fraternity, sorority, freemason, whatever

(40:08):
the case will be. Even academic, a lot of times
we pledge and we'll make these oath and allegiances uh
to other fraternity sororities, Freemasons, Eastern Stars, even academic our societies,
or even public organizations like Jack and Jill. Things that
nature without understanding the history and the.

Speaker 15 (40:29):
Why behind it.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
And so this is my.

Speaker 15 (40:34):
I can I say my denouncing video and so yeah,
here I go about to shred.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Hm doc.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
That was really hard for me to watch because I
think that.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
What he did.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
I was close to several brothers who pledged Q and
it takes a lot physically and mentally and emotionally to
get into the organization. You don't just sign up and join.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
You are Hayes.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
You have pledged.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
You hate you went through that took a blood oath
to see. And I understand Christianity is incredibly important to
the brother, but damn.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Yeah, this is where religion to me can get very dangerous.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
They're talking about things being demonic, right Beyoncey being a
sober or fraternity, Divine nine and other things that they
haven't listed.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
But I'd like to ask these folks, have you considered
the pulpit, the bishop, the pastor Is.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
There anything demonic about them? Is there anything that they're
feeding you that maybe you shouldn't be eating? Is there
anything at church that you feel is not as holy
as it's claiming to be. Maybe where the demonic messaging
is coming from the root of it is where you
need to check. Where at did you get this ideology
that these things outside of the church that you're being

(42:13):
fed from is demonic because a lot of times, and
I've been in my field for seventeen years, seventeen eighteen years,
and I've had many of mega church pastors who have
been my clients. Of course, I'm never going to share
names that are doing a lot of things that people
would deem to be unpulpit like unpastor bishop like, there's

(42:35):
bishops who are doing things that.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
People would deem demonic, like having a wife in a
side check in the same city, in two different homes.
So what I'm saying is that or to.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Arriba's point, who are only at the pulpit because they
know there is monetary benefit to it, who are actually
spending the church money on their side check for vacations,
who are actually spending.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Their church money with the women who they are come
gregrading with in the congregation. So we're gonna talk about
what's demonic.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
We got to talk about the real essence of what's
going on in the church where you're getting.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
This feeding from. And I always believe that what feeds
our feasts is what we become. We are what we eat.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
And so if you're eating some of these demonic preachures,
you're eating some of these scriptures that are like Aarva said,
that are created and hand picked and selected just to
compliment a narrative that that pastor that bishop wants to
set out so that again his quality of life can
be up kept. Then guess what you are being fed
demonic scripture. You are being fed a spirit that has

(43:36):
you thinking outside of.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
What is normal or possibly what is right. This is
where people have to question, Hold on, do.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
I have a personal relationship with God that I can
ask and say, hey, I have a question about scripture,
I have a question about this religion, I have a
question about my pastor Go to that. Build a relationship
with self and your own God. Question everything around you
and try to listen to self before you listen things
that are external, because you end up a situation that you.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
May have to backpedal to that there is no backpedaling from.
That's where religion scares me at because I'm going to.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Wait a minute, pastors ambitious, we got to check in
with y'all to see what's really going on here, because
y'all are feeding a congregation and feeding a culture of
people either don't believe in church no more, claiming church
her don't believe in religion no more, or they're coming
to you and you're totally fucking them up.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Dmitri.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Reference is how a lot of the messengers are foolshit.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, I think that's exactly my point. Just to speak
on me personally, my mother grew up in a church
household where there was church in the basement.

Speaker 16 (44:38):
Like I don't know if you know you can actually
go back it was. Religion was heavy in my family,
and it was forced upon her. She did not force
it upon her children. The simple message my mama gave
me was God is love.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
God is everywhere. You do not have to be confined
or caged in order for God to see you and
be in your heart like him. Right now, doctor Brown,
I've been around you for a long time and I've
heard you say the word dogma a lot. Can you
please inform the audience of what that may mean.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
Absolutely, dogma is living in the thoughts and opinions of
other people.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Absolutely, And when I was in church. I saw church
when I was homeless. I was homeless at the age
of like twenty twenty one, maybe a little younger than that,
but I was in church. This is the first thing
I decided, I'm going to go to church for my own.
My family never forced me to church. I went to
church on my own. And it was in church that
I realized deliverance becomes dogma when it silences self discovery,

(45:40):
spiritual discovery. If I'm looking at him and saying, I
gotta do what he telling me to do, because he's
a blighting by this book, I'm failing to discover anything
on my own. And I'm gonna say it one more
time for you know, those who are listening and those
who are on the same journey. Delivery becomes dogma when

(46:00):
its silences discovery. So get out there and figure it
out for yourself before you start cutting things you work for,
because it's like you said it to al Ray, it
takes a lot to get into a fraternity and it
means a ton to those people you're standing next to.
So before you burn anything, shred anything, or throw anything
out doing them, make sure you're doing the research for

(46:21):
yourself or how you want to live.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
The bigger notion for me is why does Christianity have
a choke hold on us as black people? And I
understand there are many black Muslim brothers and sisters in
this country, and there are some Jewish brothers and sisters
that black in this country, but for the most part
in America, we are Christian. And at a certain point

(46:44):
you're like why, And I have an idea why, but
I want to hear a little bit of doctor Umar
talk about it before we get into why.

Speaker 13 (46:51):
Religious institutions take three things from Black people too much
and too often that we can't afford to waste. One
is our time. The church takes a lot of time.
I know because I was raised in it. Number Two,
you hope you got people believing that through this vehicle
something is going to happen, and nothing of the shows.
And the third and that is our money. Y'all take
in donations and you're not doing nothing for the Black community.
This money is needed for us to save ourselves. We

(47:14):
can't afford it to throw it into religious institutions who
don't do nothing but pray.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
You know, aarriva when I think about the Black community
and Christianity. We have to begin the conversation has to
be in with slavery, right, and the way that Christianity
was used to control Black people. And I think that
we were acculturated to Christianity in America and it becomes
part of our relationship with America and how we survive

(47:40):
in America and how And there's for sure there's times
when it uplifts us as individuals, as a community, doctor King,
the civil rights movement hugely important. But it is a
holdover from slavery, is it not. This is why we
are as a community so enraptured and held by Christianity, no.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Doubt about that.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
To ray.

Speaker 6 (48:06):
And not only are we in some ways held hostage
to a lot of those messages that are hold over
from slavery, from reconstruction to the Jim Crow era, but
look at the patriarchy in religion. So you're asking a
question about Christianity, and you know, should black folks remain
as Christians? But I'm not seeing all of these other

(48:27):
organized religions that recognize the equality of women. Most of
the organized religions, if not all, have in common the
oppression of women and So I've been asking myself as
a Christian born, raised as a Catholic, go to a
Methodist church, believe in God, had some of those same

(48:49):
messages you're talking about, And I'm asking myself, why is
Jesus a man? And why are the references in church
male references? So we got to ask a man to
deliver us, We got to ask a man to bless us,
to give us grace?

Speaker 5 (49:06):
What about women and what messages that's sending.

Speaker 6 (49:10):
Two men, this man or the head of the household.
So we talk about domestic violence, a lot of it
starts by the messages men and women get in church.
So I've been asking myself a lot of tough questions
about my belief system and what the God is that
I want to serve and have relationship with. And it
is not a male figure.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
It's not a gender.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
It's not him.

Speaker 5 (49:34):
It's not his.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
No, that's very well said Dmitri. We are we as
black people too tied to Christianity. And this is not
to assail any specific Black Christians who are listening or watching.
Christianity may have had a massive impact in your life,
and I am thrilled for you for that, But as
a mass as a what we millions of black people

(49:58):
in America? Does it make sense for us to continue
being predominantly Christian?

Speaker 1 (50:04):
You know this, this this hits home actually very very well,
because y'all know I love I love my granny to pieces,
and as far as long as I can remember, my
granny's been attending church weekly, more than once weekly, and
it's taking taking up so much of her life. I
remember specifically having a conversation with my granny and I
told her two things. I said, Granny, I don't know

(50:25):
if you know this, but what you've given to Communion
could have funded this institution, just just just that you
put so much in here. You could have bought this
old church and done it three times over. I told
my granny. I remember telling that one thing I said.
I said, Granny, you could believe in God and still
outgrow this building. I don't know if you know that
your your your your belief does not end the moment

(50:47):
you walk out this door. I said, Granny, you tie
your life to this. And I for those who know
my granny story, I used to question it all the
time because I used to be like, if my granny
so faithful in her religion, Why does she get to
sit and struggle? Why is it that she's not living

(51:07):
like the preacher, living or like the pastor living or
like and you know it used to amaze me. But yes,
I believe we tell ourselves too close to religion and
we failed to see what we must discover on our
own terms of spiritualm.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Gee, I think some of us are. I think some
of y'all gen z ers and the younger millennials are
actually leaving the church. We have a video about that.
I want to see the video and then get your
opinion on that.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
So I think show an exodus of younger generations from
the church. Here's their take on why.

Speaker 7 (51:39):
I'm part of the only person my age grew up
in the church. Everybody else was like forty sixties, seventies.

Speaker 15 (51:46):
Why do you think that is We're.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Doing things the same.

Speaker 7 (51:49):
Way we've been doing them in the forties and the thirties,
and young people are just not connecting with that.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
I'm not sure why he's saying that it's only young
people's career.

Speaker 6 (52:00):
I'm not a gen Z but I have three in
my have two and one millennial in my household, and
for them, they straight call it pimping, They say the
they call a lot of pastors pull pit pimps, and
they believe that church has evolved to that, has devolved
to that, and that they can't trust the messengers in

(52:21):
these poolpits when they go on social media and they're
private jets flying to their islands. And again, nobody's begrudging
them for being successful. But if you're being successful on
the backs of Granny Dmitri's granny, if you're taking the
Social Security dollars from fixed income folks like you know,
black folks who we know in our community, who are

(52:41):
given their last dime, and you're flaunting that you're flying
around in a private jet, you're living in mansions, there's
something wrong with that and we need to call that out,
whether you call them open pimps or just straight up frosters.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Are we seeing a lot of people around your age,
little older, a little younger, like leaving church, not thinking
about religion, like moving away from that entirely.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Absolutely, It's it's you're either moving it away. You either
moving away from it entirely or you studying it on
your own accord and interpret interpreting your own meaning. I
know a lot of people who have Bible study online,
like off church, outside of this building, outside of I
remember going to church.

Speaker 6 (53:22):
Man.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
One of the biggest things that like noted me was like, oh,
it was like communion going around past the play they
start using cashop, Apple, pay zeo, Venmo, all these things,
and these pastors these days got more Instagram followers than me. Like,
it's not making sense. And I think that alone the influence.
We've looked at it and said, how do I know

(53:44):
I can trust you? I understand you telling me by
it too the book, but how do I know I
could trust you? And with social media making it so
prevalent into other people's lives, we get to see what
your pass to do. You get to hear the God,
the whispers in the church and x y Z so
absolutely we've listened and we weren't forced by our parents.
How our parents was forced by theirs, Doc.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
I wonder what you think of that that he's saying
that gen z Ers are leaving the church. I wonder
if you're seeing that. But he's talking about they still
want spiritual education, they still want an inner life. They
are searching for that outside of the institution. They are
finding it on their own. So they're not abandoning their
spiritual life, they're abandoning the church. Are you seeing that

(54:28):
from younger folks.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Yeah, they want traditional leadership. They want leaders who aren't
out payton the town read like them. They want leaders
who aren't out to two, three, four or five am
you know, doing the same type of sinning that.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
They're doing now? Is it realistic? Maybe not, because everyone's human.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
But I believe, and I know growing up Catholic and
then transitioning to non denomination Christian, that there was a
time where the pole pit at least had a certain
level of honoring and admiration that you could have for
the person who was feeding you word and who was
leading you that looked like they had a sub stable
family where it wasn't the church's business. Again that the

(55:07):
pastor is sleeping with the side chick or the pastors
on wife number four, And then you know he's doing
these things that.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
Are human but also are not very pope pittish.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
And now that may sound judgmental, and I'm just telling
you what I'm hearing because I have Bible study at
my home every sorry, every two weeks on Monday, my
bishop comes here, and that is One of the number
one things that the younger generation are saying is, Doc,
we love that you have Bible study there, because one
we could be ourself too.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
You're being in a bishop who isn't into the same
fleshly lustful things that we're into. So they're able to
separate it and say, hey, there's some hope here. If
I follow these principles, possibly I can become more christ Like.
And leadership that shows them not perfection, but what is
christ like? What do applying the principles that you're teaching

(55:54):
us look like? Or are you just teaching it for.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
A transactional exchange of being paid. Churches used to be
about relationships and resources. Folks can't even come to their
pastors nowadays and say, hey, I need help with the
bill or I need help with childcare. Where are the
resources at? When you bring up slave days, churches weren't
just a place for people to go to get a word.
It was refuge, it was resources, it was community. That's

(56:18):
where we family at.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
That's all we had.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
We don't have that today whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
We just have folks that come they're getting a word
and they have no leadership, no leadership whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
I just wonder if the message, the spiritual message that's
coming from Christianity is still valuable for black people on
a political level. It may work for on a spiritual
level in terms of guiding your life, but does it
work on a political level the way it worked when
it was a civil rights movement, when it was delivering
us from other tribulations we've been through in traumas we've

(56:54):
been through. But we'll see, all right. Fantastic show. Thank
you guys so much much for rocking with us and
like giving your heart and your soul in this whole episode.
I really appreciated uh Riva Martin been rocking with us
all week long. We really appreciate your heart and soul
and your legal knowledge and your wisdom. As a community members,

(57:17):
we're elders. Other people don't understand. They want to call
us ancestors or ancients. We're elders, and it's different.

Speaker 6 (57:24):
You are a aageous sage, sages.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
Arriva is a mature woman. You are a resurrected ancestor.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
You ain't you maybe you, oh, don't even put her
in the same She cannot coexist with you two different people.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
You're an old boy, which actually has the people have
said that before, I wouldn't give you.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
That nice of a compliment? Was not that nice of
a compliment.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
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Speaker 1 (58:47):
Good night, chall We stop calling everything tomorth Over