EPS 020 - FUNKY DINEVA, Malia Obama’s Name Change, Auntie Maxine Slammed, Sane-Washing,

In this episode, we unpack the immigration fight nobody wants to talk about: The growing Black vs Brown deportation battle. We discuss the growing divide between two communities and the forgotten Freedom Riders, whose legacy is being erased and replaced.Then the truth behind Malia Obama becoming "Malia Ann," and why some say it’s about identity, while others call it a rejection of legacy. We’re also diving into the controversy around Congresswoman Maxine Waters, who’s catching major heat from the very people she’s long championed. But that’s not all — we’re exposing “sane-washing” in our communities and how the narrative of talk therapy has become the new gaslighting, and its double standard in the media.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, truth taillers, let's get into it. Let's bring
in my favorite people. Judge Lauren Lake is back. Welcome back,
Thank you. D B. Tree Wiley is in the house. Unfortunately,
I mean fortunately glad you're here. We love you.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Crazy. Unfortunately is crazy, but it's a pleasure to be here.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Be Queen of truth Talk, Doctor Shy and Bryant. Welcome
my sister.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Thanks for having me. Actually, thanks for being a guest
in my house. Tor Ray.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
Anyways, what's up, True, tell us it's your favorite doc,
doctor Shy and Bryant.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
I am here to cover some topics today. Y'all. Listen,
y'all been going off in the chat. Been loving it.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Been seeing that go Doc Ben, seeing y'all say, Doc,
what you're talking about? Either way, I don't care, but
I do want your engagement. So get ready for us
to set this think on fire today to tell us
we want to hear y'all in the chat talk to us.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
I get y'all Reva on Instagram stick it up for me. Agree.
I was appreciating that parent's gotta stick together, Arriva.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yeah, I don't know what your gentle ass is talking about.
Gentle parenting brings gentle kids and obviously gentle parents as well.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
What is our topic?

Speaker 1 (01:12):
What is our We're gonna We're gonna actually talk about
two of the best raised children in the country. Trending
Truth's Malia Obama has changed her name, uh so she
can have more, she says, autonomy. Unlike Trump's kids, who
revel in nepotism and want his power to shine on them.

(01:32):
The Obama girls are taking the high road working in art,
and Malia is saying she wants to just be known
as Malia. Do you think she's missing out on some
legacy benefits? Should she be maximizing the opportunities that the
Obama name would give her the way that Trump kids are.
But like with dignity, Dmitri, what do you think about

(01:55):
Malia's choice here?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
I can say I want to respect it, I really do.

Speaker 5 (02:02):
But to keep it honest with you, if I had
a name like Obama, that's my last name, I would
use it on every resume, every studio session, every scholarship,
every job interview, every everything.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
I'm using it to walk through every.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
Single door that's been locked for people that look just
like me, every last one of them. Like you know
how many times I had to be twice as good
with like half the chance of actually getting what I
was reaching for. You know what I'm saying to me,
you best believe I'm using The thing about it is
it's not the cheat, it's not the idea that I'm
using it to cheat, but it's simply the even the

(02:37):
playing field. Like we talk in the black community all
the time about building legacy and breaking generational curses and
X y Z and now that's just something she want.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
To give away. A parents did that for her, and
that was just something you gonna You're gonna.

Speaker 5 (02:52):
Give it away, Like you get, you get, you finally
get a seat at the table. But you're like, hey,
since this makes everybody else uncomfortable, I'm gonna go eating
up room.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I really don't get it. It could never be me.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
I'm gonna be honest with you, because the moment they
put it in my face, I'm walking through the door
and I'm bringing anybody with just me personally, Lauren.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
I understand what the young brother's saying. It's hard enough
for us to get into any game, that we should
use whatever advantages we have, and if our parents have
gone out into the world and done things that make
our name ring out positively, then we have a right
to use that, and people do that in every culture.
The thing for me with this story is Malia cannot

(03:32):
erase Obama from her name. She may have literally done that,
but everybody know who she is. Every time she shows
up in every room, everybody knows Barak and Michelle are
her parents. So even if the name Obama isn't on
her page, her letter, her phone, call, her email, or
because she has she doesn't never need a resume. Ever,
she just called this is Melia. I would like a

(03:54):
beating and it's gonna happen. So, I mean, what she's
trying to do, you can't really do, right.

Speaker 6 (04:02):
And so as I thought about this subject, I actually
said to myself, I can't wait to hear what my
good sister, doctor Bryant says, because there has to be
something else going on here, maybe emotionally, maybe her feeling
about what comes with the name that maybe I don't

(04:22):
feel like dealing with all the time. Right to Dimitri's point,
I think there is a legacy behind it that could
work in her favor. And I mean, I agree with
you in many respects. You know, I grew up in Detroit.
As I've said, both of my parents were college educators.
I ended up working in the legal field as an
attorney and then also in entertainment.

Speaker 7 (04:42):
They didn't do either of that. So I'm literally putting
this together.

Speaker 6 (04:45):
Stick by stick on my own for the last forty years.
I would love it if I had a parent that
could help walk me into certain rooms.

Speaker 7 (04:55):
However, there is probably.

Speaker 6 (04:57):
A level of baggage that we don't understand because we
didn't have it right, that they may carry in. And
I'd also like to say that it may be that
she is excluded from rooms and she's excluded from places
because of people who don't care for her parents.

Speaker 7 (05:17):
You know, that's also a possibility.

Speaker 6 (05:19):
So I would say, and I would lean into it's
a personal choice that we have to respect.

Speaker 7 (05:24):
But to Terre's point as well, she looked.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Just light, both of them.

Speaker 6 (05:28):
I mean, you know what I mean, Like she's a
perfect little smoothie and it will be hard to get
away from it.

Speaker 7 (05:35):
But look, it may not be forever.

Speaker 6 (05:37):
It may just be for a time in her what
is she in her twenties now or early thirty what
are they now? It may just be afore a time
for her to feel like she can express herself or
last point, be a part of projects that maybe her
name being associated with. Maybe she doesn't what if she

(05:58):
wanted to create content that was extremely provocative, or or
if it was sexual explored sexual topics, and maybe she
doesn't want to include her father's name.

Speaker 7 (06:11):
In that just to have him be separate.

Speaker 6 (06:13):
I am just making up things for those thoughts that
have come to my heads. I thought about why a
young woman would want to, in many cases, divorce herself
from a name.

Speaker 7 (06:23):
And it's just the name. It's not her family, it's
just Doc.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
What do you think I mean?

Speaker 4 (06:28):
I think that what she's seeking is a sense of normalcy.
And I think that's okay. She grew up and they
were raised in the White House as the first black
family to be an administration as a president, and listen,
I am nowhere near in the celebrity status as the
Obama's Okay, I'm just little old doctor B who was

(06:49):
entered into this celebrity space. And I know for sure
that my brother and my seriously and my mother and
even my best friends, they are at the point it's
only been you know, a short amount of time where
when we go out places and people want pictures, or
we're at a concert and people are at the restroom
and standing in front and they're absolutely nice and they're
telling me they love my work and they're so kind,
and they're fans of minds that they are already going

(07:13):
we need a sense of normalcy, doc, or we need security.
We've been in line to buy purchase drinks or food
and fans and came over and said, I love your work.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Let me buy you guys a drink. It is a
beautiful gesture.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
But everyone I'm connected to is directly impact to ineffect
it by my work, my brand, my celebritiess now and
me doing what I do so trying it to Malia.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
I just feel like.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
A baby girl wants to have her own identity. That
is perfectly fine if she wants to feel a sense
of normalcy. So, like Judge Lauren said, when she goes
places that Obama doesn't either inflame or deflame things for her,
I think she has a right and I respect her
decision to say, listen, love what you've done for me
doesn't mean I still won't name drop what need be
in the room to say, you know who my daddy is?

Speaker 3 (07:58):
You know who my mother is.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
But as a young black woman, she has every right
to say I want to make my own path. I
want to make my own way, and I don't want
to have to say that everything I'm building is only
built because of the name Obama. I think there's something
special about saying, as a young woman and black woman,
that I'm building this thing brick by brick, and I
know that I have support, and I know that I
have a family I can stand on. But it's okay

(08:21):
to do that. And I think the normalcy piece is
what they're really seeking. And I'll land on this because
those girls went through a lot when he was in office.
They're still going through a lot. And it's not just
the positive stuff rhetoric that they're getting. They got a
lot of backlash by being the first black president of
the United States of America's kids. These are not normal
kids with the normal.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Last name at all. I think she deserves the right
they have that normalcy.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
No, I get it. I just you can't not be yourself.
You can't not be Malia Obama. We all know who
you are. She's a filmmaker. She walks in the room.
You know, they all know who she is. People want
to work with her partly because she seems very smart
and very poised and very capable and very talented, and
we should want to help a young person who seems

(09:06):
all those things. But also nobody will ever forget. I mean,
these two people heard her sister were really part of
the Obama legacy, and they were on stage with them,
and we watched them grow up. And there are so
many people, especially in the world of independent film or Hollywood,
who love the Obamas. And the name is going to
give her a shot in any project she wants to

(09:29):
be a part of, whether or not it's actually on
the page or not. But I appreciate the desire to
want to have some sense of individuality, right, I think
that's just like, let me be me. But he your
father and your mother will always be at least invisibly
lifting you up, of.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Course, And that's okay. You got folks who parents aren't.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Though Obama's who you know, Judge Lauren Lake's father rest
in peace, My father, rest in peace. We're standing on
their shoulders. They're always lifting us. I know if I
told my father I want to divorce this last name,
he'd be turning, flipping and rise from that grave because
he is he is a he's big on the Bryant
last name, and so I personally couldn't do it.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
My dad would be disappointed.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
But kudos to Malia and the Obama family for allowing
their daughter to have her own discovery stage and go
into her own self discovery mode.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
You make a good point, because you know I was
in when I went to college, I started going by
one name, and my parents never flipped. My father never flipped.
He was like, I completely understand, you know, fuck that
slave name that we don't know where it's from, and
we gave you an African name that is so unique

(10:40):
that you can roll with that. And the whole thing
was like, this is what you chose to give me.
This other thing, we don't know where it's from. I
found out later in life the person that I was
told is my grandfather was not my grandfather. It's this
other person who you never got to meet is actually
a grandfather. So the literal line is broken. But my
father and I understand what you're saying about your father.

(11:00):
But my father reacted to a totally different decision in
a totally different way, and he totally embraced and loved,
and he felt affirmed by it because he had been
part of the decision to give me this unique name
that stands out even without a last name.

Speaker 6 (11:14):
I love that toay, because the truth is, fraternity matters
beyond the name, right, it is just a name.

Speaker 7 (11:19):
Think about it for women as well.

Speaker 6 (11:21):
I don't have my father's last name, although I mean
I am a living, breathing extension of his legacy and
I live that out every single day. I've created an
entire show about that, but I don't carry his last name.
I actually got married, I took that last name, and
then I kept it because I was working. I think
maybe for women as well, there is a thought that

(11:42):
we ultimately may or may not take our future partners.

Speaker 7 (11:46):
Or husband's last name.

Speaker 6 (11:47):
Anyway, we can always add our father's last name.

Speaker 7 (11:51):
In as a middle name. We got options, so I
think right.

Speaker 6 (11:55):
And so that's why I said, kind of give the woman,
a young woman a space to do what she feels
like she needs to do because she feels like she
wants to do it, without you know, thinking that it
is some type of you know, her being critical of
her family or wanting to divorce herself from her family.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
I love, y'all. I agree with y'all. I'm just over
there with it. I'm on the other side of it.

Speaker 5 (12:18):
I think if she grew up on the opposite end,
the opposite spectrum, and she saw what it's like to
not have a name that actually rung a bell in
that kuldwalk you into a room, she'd completely be looking
at this differently. I think it's the way she grew up,
how fast she had to grow up with that name,
because she was introduced to stardom as a kid, or
popularity as a kid. If it was any other way,

(12:40):
she'd be looking at this completely differently because she doesn't
see privileged.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
She made you it as a burden, and I understand.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
I give me a little privilege, sprinkle it home, give
me some nepotism.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I would be Lebron James Junior, Jordan Obama. Give me
all last name.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Give me all I respect it, and I might be
more like to be treated with it. Really, if you
gave me, God forbid, you gave me that sort of
that sort of privilege. Let me move on to our
second story, where black and brown lives collide or don't.
In response to the ice raids, activists have launched a
freedom ride caravan in defensive immigrant rights. But some black

(13:20):
influencers are saying, it's this entire ice immigration even our fight.
Let's look at this video. We are the entire civil
rights movement.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (13:31):
Every ounce of liberty any minority group got in this country,
it was as a direct result of us being hose
beat and having dogs sicked on us year in and
year out for decades. Okay, simply put, without getting in

(13:52):
the nuance of the why it's somebody else's turn.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
And who had.

Speaker 8 (13:59):
Somebody else said that ain't none of my damn business.
That's between all the other groups who ain't had a
chance to be the line leader.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yet.

Speaker 8 (14:08):
I don't give a damn whether it's the Suspanics, the Asians,
the Polynesians, the Planet of the eighth or the terra
cotta flower pots.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
I don't give a damn.

Speaker 8 (14:20):
Y'all fus amongst yourselves and figure out which one of
y'all want to carry the baton, because from where I sit,
and no fault of their own, all y'all holes have
ever done up until now, it showed up to the

(14:40):
party and you didn't ring nothing. I understand that a
lot of the people who are getting deported and whose
families are being torn apart they were unable to vote.
That those are not the people who voted, and they
are receiving the back end effects of what the people
who could vote. I may not understand everything about the

(15:02):
Latin American diaspora. I know enough to know that bitch
y'all got one thing in common, and it's the fact
that you're Latin, all right, and your Latin.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Brothers and sisters.

Speaker 8 (15:13):
The ones that came into the state the right way,
the ones that they wanted to come in and they
parents were immigrants, but they want to shut the door
for the rest of y'all. The ones that married white
and bred some of that Latino out of them, or
the ones who are looking to marry white, or the
ones who are like, you know what, I you know,

(15:34):
I'm a minority, but not like this.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
It's just like this.

Speaker 8 (15:39):
You need to be calling them, y'all. People did this.
Latino voters were the swing vote. Latino voters was the
swing vote.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Dork. He makes an excellent point. And there's a lot
of black people since the election and be the mon
since then who have felt the same way about like
we have fought for this country so many times, and
we're tired and we don't want to do it anymore,
and somebody else do it. A lot of people keep
saying this, what do you think about this in regards

(16:15):
to the ICE, just this ICE specific situation where you know,
we have black people saying maybe we shouldn't because it's
not our fight. What do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Well?

Speaker 4 (16:25):
As a black and Latina let me be Pacific Mexican
Hispanic woman, they said, you know, y'all are next in
reference to black people being next, and I yelled back
at the Juneteenth event over the weekend.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
We were first, and everybody got to applaud.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
And said, Yeah, why do I say that? Because we're
never next, We're always first and always fighting for something
that we need to shift and change because of our disparities,
our marginalization, because of the modern day slavery that's still
going on.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Do I believe that we should be.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Out fighting at the level that we do when it's
our fight? No, because I don't think that this is
our fight. Let me go deeper. This is going to
hit a lot of people, and I'm okay with that.
The racism between black and latinas are Latins is much

(17:32):
more deeper, just not louder, than it is between blacks
and whites. That is a conversation for some reason we
don't have often enough, and we're not having loud enough.
There's a lot of Hispanics that don't and have never
cared for the Black community at a deep rooted level.
And there's a lot of white people who ally with

(17:53):
us a lot more deeper and further than the Latin community.
And when I say Latin community, I'm not talking about
the Puerto Ricans, the Dominicans, because there are a group
of Hispanics when I say Hispanics, Mexicans who would deem
them as niggas alongside black people being niggas. And so
when we're talking about Mexicans and blacks, that has been

(18:15):
a deep rooted race war that is not talked about.
I talk about this with NAACP. It's always as black
and white stuff and supremacy we talk about. But there
is a big racial disparities, disparity in a lot of
racism that goes on between Mexicans on blacks. And so
is it our fight from a humanity perspective?

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yes? But is it our fight always to be on
the forefront fighting for things that we don't be different from.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
No, and so I in a position of not showing
humanity towards the racist people.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yes, are they wrong for that? Yes? Should they be
treated like animals? Hell no?

Speaker 4 (18:55):
But I have to say that No, this is not
a black fight. This is exactly that. This is a
Hispanic fight. And we can stand an allyship, but I
don't think we need to be at the front of
the ship. Just just how I feel about again, and
my family is half Mexican, and that's just how I
feel about it.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
No, I respect the position, and you have every right
to that position, and a lot of black people agree
with you. I think that it is our fight because
I think that justice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, right,
and that's the thing that doctor King has talked about.
And my allyship in these sort of situations is not transactional.

(19:36):
I'm not supporting Latinos or immigrants because they supported us.
I'm supporting what I think is right. No matter what
direction that they go I'm going to do. I'm going
to fight for the justice that I believe should exist.
I want to roll a clip of an African business
owner who said that his latin employees were plotting against

(19:57):
his black employees. Let's look at that.

Speaker 9 (20:00):
Who are working in my company. I'm a black man.
I own a company. I hired Latino. The Latino comes
back and complain about the African Americans because the Latino things.
Because I'm African, I don't have any relationship with the
African American. The Latino comes to me and tell me
that you are an immigrant. I'm an immigrant that African

(20:20):
American cannot work. I have Jose, I have Gonzales, my
brothers who know how to work very well. You need
to fire the African Americans and I will bring a
lot of hard working Latinos who work for your company.
This is my company, as a black man, my company,
I want a contractor at Quantico Marine Base in Virginia,

(20:44):
a contractor for General Electrics. And the Latino workers that
are hired, they are snitching on the African American workers
that are hired. For me to fire the African Americans
so they can bring Latinos to take their place.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Le me, Dre. Do you feel like when you watch
a video like that, when you hear the stories that
like doctor Brian is talking about that, do you feel
like the Latino community and the Hispanic community are truly
our allies.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Not exactly, No, I don't. This is just me being
very transparent.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
First off, Well, before I get into that, can I
say how proud of that business owner I am, because.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
For once I've seen black support black and that and you.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
Know, if you know, you know the actual heritages and
things around that nature to be African American and support
African Americans and seeing us all as one. First off,
applause because he didn't have to take that stand. But Torri,
you said something earlier. You said an injustice for uh
La Martin Luther King quote injustice everywhere?

Speaker 2 (21:51):
And is it threat the justice? The injustice anywhere? Is
threat the justice everywhere? Now, I do believe you. I
feel you. I get it.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
It resonates through my bones. But I don't quite feel
like you anybody could use that quote against me when
you want my black body to.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Be on the front line.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
Like the question, the question becomes, where was all this
in twenty twenty? Where was the Latino Black alliance in
twenty twenty, Because if I remember correctly, there was a
lot of them who actually sided with the with the
cops and with the Karens and all of these things.
But now it's black and brown power unity. But when
we needed that back then, I ain't here from too

(22:30):
many people.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
It was crickets back then.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
You know what I'm saying, And all I'm saying is,
if you want us to fight with you, you gotta
fight with us.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
We know black black, black pain is an ongoing thing.
I put my fight down to come talk fight for yours.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
It's interesting because I think there's some some deep cultural
differences that were referencing Lauren. I think, for one thing,
in Los Angeles and in southern California, the black and
brown communities have historically been more at odds, And in
New York City, the black and brown communities have felt
politically aligned and have fought together more often. So when

(23:07):
I think about back to twenty twenty, I feel like
a lot of brown people were out there with us.
But if you were in California had a different experience,
then maybe that was different. But Lauren, there's a lot
of reasons I think that are valid about why Doc
and Dimitri and others maybe feel the way that they do.
And I think some of it is, like I want
to hear your thoughts. But some of it is like

(23:28):
the way that we feel as people of color. Some
Latino people don't look at race in the same way
that they're putting other things like religion or wanting to
be American or whatever. Like the way that we wear
race on our sleeve, and it's a defining political factor
for most, for many of us. For a lot of them,
they don't look at the world in that same way.

Speaker 7 (23:51):
I think you are correct.

Speaker 6 (23:52):
I think African Americans have a different relationship to this
country than most other races and cultures.

Speaker 7 (23:59):
I mean, it's just different. It is what it is.
You can't change it.

Speaker 6 (24:04):
And we know things about the way this country works
because we have had to live, die, endure, survive through
this for centuries. And I've said this earlier in the week.
As we've taught we have to play chess and not checkers.
We have to think before we all go running out

(24:25):
in the streets, because what we know as African Americans
is this changes the dynamic of this whole fight. If
we go running out into the street and nobody can
tell me any different.

Speaker 7 (24:38):
So I say to myself, yes, the.

Speaker 6 (24:42):
Essence of what's happening here is a part of our fight. Racism,
you know, denial of due process, civil liberty, all of
those things are a similar and often in a joined
fight that we moved through as people of color, which
people don't even like that term anymore, Black people and

(25:04):
brown people in this country. However, although the essence of
the fight is the same in some respects, the execution.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Of it has to.

Speaker 6 (25:14):
Be different because we move in this country differently. If
we got out right now, if tomorrow we left our
homes and ran out into these streets similar to how
we did during the Black Lives Matter movement in all
of those things, this would immediately take on in a

(25:34):
completely different political landscape, this entire fight. And I will
even step, I'll step a little further, And people may disagree.

Speaker 7 (25:45):
But I believe it.

Speaker 6 (25:47):
If we get out into the streets and march and
right and allow them right to create the civil unrest
which allows them to then say we're out of hand
as protesters. We got to lock us up, we gotta,
we gotta uh, you know, get the pellet guns out constantly,
and do all of the things to us, it changes

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the issue.

Speaker 7 (26:10):
I think right now.

Speaker 6 (26:12):
There are other ways that black people who are believing
that they are part of this fight. In this fight
is there can help and aid in this fight. And
I don't think it's necessarily to do what other people
think we should do. It's for us to understand that
we have a different understanding of the way this country works.
And it's also to remind people that we did align

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ourselves with all people of color in.

Speaker 7 (26:36):
Those voting boots.

Speaker 6 (26:38):
We did, and that's and we told everybody this is
how we don't get here is.

Speaker 7 (26:44):
We vote like this. But many people didn't want that
form of allyship.

Speaker 6 (26:50):
So you don't want to align with me when we
can do it safely from the voting bots and all
return home to our families. And yet now we yell
and screen and we've got to align so that we
all go on the street when we know it's our sons,
our fathers, and our brothers that's going to prison and
that's dying.

Speaker 7 (27:08):
That's just that's the history of America. That is real.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
It hasn't changed, Doc it does feel like a politically
self inflicted wound in that so many of our Latino
brothers and sisters, Latina sisters voted Republican and now this
community has a massive political problem.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
Listen again, as a black and Latino woman who fights
as president of NAACP for Black and Brown rights, and
I send on a mountaintop and I do what I'm
allowed to use my platform to do it.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
I truly believe that.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
The Hispanics voted heavily for Trump because they dislike black folks,
especially black women, so much that they rather vote for
a racist white man or even possibly a dog, than
vote for a black person. And if that ends up
being something that people get upset with, I don't. I'm

(28:05):
okay with that because I'm here not to be liked,
but to speak the truth. I have been in a
family split with Mexican Hispanics and blacks. Black people have
never had a problem with Mexicans have never had a
problem with the Hispanic Latin community. We don't. Our problem
has been with the white folks. We know that, we
know that, we talk about it all the time. We've

(28:28):
never had a problem with them. Mexicans have always and again,
I'm Hispanic, I love my brown people. I'm on the
West Coast, I'm in LA. They've always had an issue
with us. We are always fighting for policies and legislations,
including THEI that work and serve everybody else, and then

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we are the last people in line that they shut
the door on and say, Torey, there was two thousand
spots for this, and all of the other colored people
got them.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
And now that you're two thousand and one, I'm sorry
brother that you fought so hard for this.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
And you were on the front line, but you and
your family don't get this aid today.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Figure it out.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
That's where I have a heartbreak and a problem at
because we fight in ally with everybody and we get
policy passed.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Because we are in people who march in protests.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
We're inside as INAACP, we're outside as other organizations, and
we do a line and we do connect with each
other and we get shit done just for us to
get to the front door for them to say, sorry, y'all,
all the other color folks have taken up what y'all
have fought for. This is I'm gonna wrap on this.
This is why I fight so much, not for DEI,

(29:41):
but black inclusion and black inclusivity. This is why I
fight so hard for I don't want to hear about
a minority bill. I want to hear that this is
a bill for black people. I don't want to hear
about a hate crime bill that's been passed just for
an Asian community, just for.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
An LBGTQ plus community. Yes, those are hate crimes too.
I want to hear that there's a hate bill that's passed.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
For black people, that when you say things to us
like the N word, are other things that it affects
us psychologically, that there is trauma that we have to
deal with. I want black and not African American, because
I'm a fucking American. I want black on the front
of policy, on the front of bills, on the front
of legislation.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
I wanted to be loud, like that loud.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
So yeah, I'm passionate about it because I am both,
and I see it happen all too much.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
That the Mexicans would rather vote for a white racist
man and sometimes they're probably a dog, than vote for
a black or woman who they knew would have helped
both black and brown people both.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
I think that the one thing that sticks up to
me is that if they succeed with them, we are next.
So if we don't fight them Trump on this stage,
then the next stage will be us.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
We went on, we were first, second, third, When are
we off? The stage.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Okay, well, no, I mean I appreciate the point, and
I think that's correct. But I feel it as a
habit of fighting for justice and that we are constantly
going to be out in the streets, in the politics whatever,
fighting for justice. As a black person, I expect that
as a habit and understand the notion that you're bringing
up that so many people feel. But we are tired.

(31:20):
Let somebody else do it. I'm just used to us
doing it. So I feel like we are leaders in
this country. Speaking of leaders in this country in our
politics segment Anti Maxine, my favorite congress person, Representative Maxine
Waters of California, showed a lot of strength when she
made her presence known at the la Ice raids at
the La Race Raid protests and Detention Center. Let's take

(31:41):
a look at her visit.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
No, I want you to hello, Hello, hello, Congresswoman Water.

Speaker 7 (31:49):
I just came to use my congressional outside to check
on things.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
We're all securing our tall visitors.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Excuse me, I need to get in our public apparel.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
I love to get ed.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Judge Lauren, let's talk about this. Is it performative or
is this like actually like her duty and like on
their side. What right do they have to close the
door to a congresswoman doing her congressional duty. And we've
seen them do this. This happened in New Jersey to
you know, to a couple of black elected officials. That

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happened in other places. So how are they even able
to tell her, no, you can't come in here.

Speaker 6 (32:33):
Well they shouldn't be, however, I mean, first of all,
as a congress person, you know they have the legal
right and the responsibility to oversee federal agencies. Right, So
she walked up there basically to say, listen, people are
being detained. It is my not just a right, it's
my responsibility. I need to see.

Speaker 7 (32:50):
How this is running inside. Now they close the door
on her.

Speaker 6 (32:54):
Face, which legally they are really not supposed to be
able to. But you know, there is always an exception,
and one of the exceptions is always in the interests
of safety. I think in this instance, they cited that
there were like a thousand protesters or something outside and
there was a climate that wasn't conducive, and oh if
she gave them a little notice.

Speaker 7 (33:14):
Legally, she really doesn't have to give them notice.

Speaker 6 (33:16):
But under this exception of if there's you know, public
safety issues, they can ask.

Speaker 7 (33:23):
That she make an appointment. What we really see happening?

Speaker 6 (33:26):
And you know, I was thinking to myself as we've
been talking this week, like, you know, Lauren, you got
to stop saying they out here just doing anything they
want to do.

Speaker 7 (33:35):
And this is me talking to myself, But the truth
is they really are.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
You know.

Speaker 6 (33:41):
It's like, I want to align this somehow legally and
put this in a nice little Tiffany box for everybody
and tie that white and bow neat. But you can't
these fools out here doing anything they want to do.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
As a person who's dedicated her life to the law,
to see the administration repeatedly ignoring the courts has got
to be dismayed to you.

Speaker 6 (34:08):
It's when I tell you all the conversations that I
have with my girlfriend's legal community of even male you know,
lawyers that I know, we're.

Speaker 7 (34:18):
All just kind of like, ain't this something? Ain't this something?

Speaker 6 (34:21):
I mean, all this law school we've been going to
and law school loans the majority of us still paying
off and everything else.

Speaker 7 (34:30):
And you watch this this system walk.

Speaker 6 (34:33):
In and basically crush everything we learn to be the process.
And it's real it's happening in front of our faces.

Speaker 7 (34:42):
What's the kids say they play in your face?

Speaker 6 (34:44):
That's what we feel like, right, And we're sitting here
now trying to figure out, as you asked so beautifully
the other day, Trey, well when is it gonna be
enough like? And how do we get to that point?
And again to my point that I keep saying, what's
the chest game here? Because if we just roll out
into them streets, we're gonna give them a reason to

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start shooting and dragging us in. Now we're preoccupied trying
to get our nephew, our cousin, our brother and everybody
out of jail. And we ain't in on a fight.

Speaker 7 (35:14):
So I'm gonna tell you this with all sincerity.

Speaker 6 (35:18):
We're in some unchartered waters, yes, where people are really
in And I'm big on this because look, I make
a living talking, and yet I do feel like sometimes
it's just too many people running their mouth right when
we need to be in some quiet rooms, We need
some think tanks. We need to get somewhere quiet in

(35:38):
the basements of some churches and figure some things out,
and everything don't have to be you know, publicized. You know,
our ancestors worked in silence. It was called the underground Railroad,
for we knew the power of a covert operation versus
an overt operation. And I think to get ourselves out

(35:58):
of that, we're gonna have to do a little Dmitri.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
The sister makes a fantastic point that there are other
people who perhaps could join the fight, and I understand
the value of anti Maxine in this in this moment
a she is one of the most famous Congress people
there is, so when she shows up, she brings cameras
with her. News media says, let's run that footage of
Maxine getting the door shut in her face is very

(36:24):
dramatic CNN, everybody's gonna run that a younger congress person
may not be able to bring the cameras and galvanize
the community. It may not hurt people as much. We've
seen Maxine fighting for us for years and decades, so
when she gets rejected this way, it viscerally hurts somebody
who we have a younger relationship with. Isn't the same.

(36:44):
But at the same point, we would like to see
the younger generation step up and the newer elected officials
step up, and we've seen Jasmine Crockett who we love,
and Corey Booker and AOC and Hakeem Jeffries, my congressman.
But we need more. Where's the rest of your generation?

Speaker 2 (37:00):
You know?

Speaker 5 (37:00):
First off, I'm gonna go look for him. I'm gonna
talk to him for you. I promise I'm finna go
look for him. But there's a couple of things I
want to address in this as we look at this video.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
First off, y'all doing my tt waters like this. It's insane.

Speaker 5 (37:12):
I'm talking about Ubsurd like this woman ain't been out
here holding it down since as long as we've been alive.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
I'm talking about you too, Tore. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
She got time in the game. She done fought Reagan,
she done faught Bush, she fighting Trump, she fought everybody,
and now they acting like she ain't got the clearance.
This is literally an elected representative of the people.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Like what are we talking about? Like, make it make sense?

Speaker 5 (37:33):
And half of these people in office with zero backbones,
zero resume, get more access, more respect, more TV time.
But they treating her slamming the door in her face
like she's a trust baths. Ain't nobody show no id,
ain't nobody show no badges. Ain't nobody saying this. They
didn't explain the situation before they slammed the door in
her face.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
I don't understand it.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
But my question is the biggest question is where is
the rest of Congress with this? Why ain't speaking up?
What the young people that like you said, what the
progressives like? Where are all these people who's supposed to
be fighting from our t t the fact that she
was just disrespected?

Speaker 2 (38:09):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
If Maxine Waters don't get access, who in the system
should have access?

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Like?

Speaker 5 (38:15):
I don't understand it, but you're right, You're right. It's
time for some younger people to step in. But they
should be more mad that someone of this statue is
getting declined rather than you know what I'm saying, rather
than anything else. They should be mad at that first,
and then we get mad at.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Everything else that is Is this performative or is this effective?

Speaker 4 (38:37):
Definitely performative. Definitely performative. I think we do need young leadership.
Why because we need some folks that actually get pissed off.
I think the career politicians, I think that they are tired.
I think that they are trying to show this very graceful,
you know, astute way of leadership, and it looks good.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
It's performed into this transactional let's go on camera. We
need some.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Young folks to get in there and get pissed off.
I'm not saying get violent. I'm saying be passionate, be
pissed off. Have a different oomph for what's going on.
They arrested our state senator Alex Vadilla. Padilla, you arrest
a senator by saying they didn't know that he was
a senator. But that's a lie because a person that
escorted him in they introduced him as Senator Alex Vadia.

(39:24):
I was with our mayor, Mayor Karen Bassi yesterday having
conversation on strategy and how do we start to strategize
with Los Angeles and so forth, and her lifting the
curfew or not lifting and what that looks like. And
she said it. She said, you know, they're trying to
create civil arrests. That's exactly what they're attempting to create.
You're arresting a senator. You have threatened to arrest the

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mayor and the governor of this state. And she said
very clearly, she said, I believe that he is attempting
to see how much they can get away with in
the second biggest state in city in the because the biggest.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Democratic state California.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
If they can get away with it here, guess what
they can get away with it anywhere.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Why do they want to create undrest?

Speaker 3 (40:09):
You know why I brought it up to the mayor.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
I said, you think that they're pushing for martial law,
and of course, as a mayor, I want to make
sure I protect her as well. She didn't want to
use that word because she doesn't want to put out
a fear factor into her citizens. And I understand as leadership,
but I can use it. And she said, I think
they're trying to create a civil arrest by showing that
we're out of control, by showing that the elected officials

(40:33):
down there can't even handle their city. She wanted to
put a curfew, and a curfew means what we're out
of control. And so again, the attempt to create a
very hostile martial law environment so he can call this
martial law and be into this dictatorship is what he's
attempting to do.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
And let me tell you why, Because.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
You have the folks on the streets saying LAPD should
back off, back off, They should not be out here,
they should back off, right. But if they back off,
who do you think takes over the federal bureau?

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Who do you think takes over the fence?

Speaker 7 (41:06):
The mayor was talking.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Come on, since the mayor was talking about this, she
was telling us, if you want the LAPD.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
The city to back off?

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Who Feds? Who? Who? Who? The three hundred National Guard?

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Who's who already here?

Speaker 7 (41:24):
Who are already here?

Speaker 3 (41:24):
This is the point? Who already here?

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Who is?

Speaker 3 (41:29):
This is the point though.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
But if we tell all of our law enforcement officers
here to back all the way down and don't have
no involvement with policing our community, then our community is stuff.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Were just the damn military, We're just the day National Guards.
That becomes martial law.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
That is now the military taking over the city on
our own soil.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
That exactly what they want, which is what we are
not playing.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
To go is this?

Speaker 6 (41:52):
I just have to say this because when you said performative,
it came to me that sometimes the performative thing is necessary.

Speaker 7 (41:59):
Right.

Speaker 6 (42:00):
So while people might think she's being performative, she's old school.

Speaker 7 (42:04):
I'm gonna go in there and if they let me
in there. I'm going in.

Speaker 6 (42:07):
If they slam the door in my face, they may
feel like Dimitri. But whatever it is, I'm calling attention
to what's going on.

Speaker 7 (42:14):
What she's saying is I'm not afraid to go knock
on the door.

Speaker 6 (42:17):
And I say this, and look, I'm old, so I
keep bringing up old stuff, but it's who I am.

Speaker 7 (42:23):
Emma Till's mother was performative. She left his casket open. Yes,
you I could cry right now. I just got a
chill that win down my back.

Speaker 6 (42:33):
Ain't no way in the world I want nobody to
see my baby like that. But I do that for
the greater good, to show people this is what happened
to my son. I have to somebody has to have
courage enough to know every black person sitting at those
wool walk Worth counters willing to get spit on and hit.

Speaker 7 (42:53):
We're performative.

Speaker 6 (42:54):
We were performing a non violent act so that we
can shame people and let them see what in the
world is going on and how wrong this is and
so and as you can see, I'm a dramatic individual,
so I don't knock a little performative. So for all
the people who's saying anti Maxine, just going up there

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being performing shine on. Okay, my sister, Nobody got to
be willing to step in the light and catch the
heat and get the door slammed on them, just like
our ancestors were willing to be the ones getting spit
on and spat on.

Speaker 7 (43:30):
I should say, and.

Speaker 6 (43:31):
And and be clubbed and be that is what we
have to do to show what's going on.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
That was really powerful and beautifully said. And you're absolutely right.
So much of black history has been performative for a
revolutionary value, right, there's nothing on purpose.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Perform purpose exactly.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Would not be the same if if sister Mamie had
not made the vision that she made, that so many
parents would have had a hard time making. But thank
god she made it, and thank god Jet shot it,
and thank god they published it, and that became a
story that changed the civil rights movement. Let's move on
to our main topic, sane washing. Everybody wants to talk

(44:16):
about mental health until it's time to talk about their
own stuff. Even Trump is throwing therapy words around like
he's a victim. He is not, and Black people are
out here trying to heal from the systems that he
helped break. It's not healing. It's like saine washing, like
talking about how mental health is being hijacked to dodge

(44:37):
the truth, to dodge accountability, to silence people. Let's go
there today. Let's have that conversation, because nowadays it seems
like everything is a trigger and people need more accountability.
We have a whole trend called sain washing, where people
weaponize mental health language to avoid responsibility, and they use it.
It's like therapy talk turned toxic. You got a video

(45:00):
about this. Let's take a look at that video.

Speaker 10 (45:03):
How does it happen that a man who speaks the
way he speaks, deranged, sometimes delusional. Sometimes some of the
things he posts on truth Social his website you cannot
repeat on American television. You wouldn't repeat the words in
front of your children. That's who he is. How did

(45:24):
we get here? How did the Republican Party get here?
And I have to tell you, and I hesitate to
say this, and I don't know whether Jonathan or Willie
or Donny would agree with me, but that there's a
false equivalency going on in the coverage of this race,
and that Donald Trump can say whatever crazy things he
wants to say about submarines and sharks and electric batteries,

(45:45):
whatever he wants to say, and it's not really covered
in the sense that it's covered describing who said it,
why he said it, and who the man is Trump
out of his mind and always in that story in
the equivalency, the false equivalency by too many reporters and
too many American newspapers is also by the way Kamala

(46:08):
Harris changed their mind, unfracking. They always throw in something
like that coverage of the story. It's ridiculous. We don't
cover the man for how dangerous he is.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Dmitriy. My friend Mike Barnacle is absolutely right. We are
doing a lot of sane washing. Is that Trump or
others say something crazy and then we explain it in
a way that's not crazy because we put it through
almost like a filter and say no, I understand, no,
but that's not what he said. Orriva Martin on the
show was talking about sane washing is making irrational people

(46:40):
and their irrationality ideas look normal. That is not good
for society.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Dmitri Well, I want to start here. First off, if
this is who we have to say and wash, what
the fuck is he president? That's just me.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
No more to balm for me, I promise. But I'm
not gonna make this about Trump. I'm gonna make this
about the the cover up. I'm gonna make this about
what mental health is now turned into. I believe in therapy,
really do. I've done it, still in it, and from
where I'm from, that's a really big step, right because
we talked to man up, don't cry, pray about it

(47:18):
anything other than therapy.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Therapy was viewed as.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
This negative thing when I was coming up, But now
I think therapy is being used as a new language
for manipulation. I think it's not some form of emotional
intelligence that they're seeking and learning in therapy. It's some
emotional escape artistry that people are now doing, like everything is.

(47:43):
It's not about how you feel, You're just projecting that
onto me, Oh I'm triggered, or my boundaries or X
y Z and people. It's fucking people love to the
point to where people who are actually doing therapy, who
are actually doing the work, who should be proud of themselves.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Every time their trigger or bother or they.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
Understand the situation to a depth that therapy would explain it.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Then it becomes if we go with this shit again.

Speaker 5 (48:07):
To the public eye, people are viewing it as an
excuse and when it all actuality, it's a real fucking thing.
And to see it used to this magnitude. This is
our president. We're talking about the fact that you feel
like you have to explain what he's trying to say.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
He shouldn't be talking. This should not be the man
speaking for our country. That's just me.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
But I don't absolutely hate what therapy is turned into. Well,
the the use of it, it's it's utterly disturbing.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Let's talk about same washing from your perspective in the
mental health field, it seems like many people are weaponizing
things like boundaries UH and other as popularized aspects of
mental health UH to escape accountability and to push others
as a silence other people. What do you think about that?

Speaker 7 (48:54):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
Well, so there's two different same washing on the corporate
level on the interpersonal level, right, So that the corporate level,
which I would tie more to Trump are you know
elected officials are on the business level, they use it
so that they can obviously manipulate people to have them
in the space and in the environment that they need
the mental that they can get the performance and the

(49:15):
transactional responsibility or expectation of them right. And then it
happens at the lower level of the interpersonal relationships where
people are using mental health words and terminologies and diagnoses
more as a way to say, look at me, I'm
the victim, and as me being the victim, I want
to be able to pull you in to do these
things that I need so you can help me because

(49:36):
I'm the victim. I have this mental health diagnosis, I
have these characteristics, I'm triggered.

Speaker 7 (49:42):
You are you.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
Know, crossing my boundaries per se. And they're starting to
make things that are not toxic, that are really normal
and the normalcies and the intricateies of what's needed to
process through relationships to get to the healthier side. They're
making that so dysfunctional, so toxic that people are getting
stuck within themselves and not able to move through the
natural normalcy processes of from the dysfunction to the healthiness

(50:06):
of a relationship.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
So for me, that just becomes an issue.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Again when people are using mental health to work for
their better good by making themselves the victim, which in
return gas lights the other person to say, hey, you're
at fault. This is not what it looks like, and
you are being talked towards me when in reality you
have two imperfect people that just need to work through
some things. And at the corporate level, it's really dangerous
because they're doing it again through media, They're doing it
through politicking, they're doing it through leadership, doing at the

(50:33):
executive level, where you have staff members, you have a
cabin and you have folks like us who are citizens
of a presidential administration that totally totally saying washes us
with putting out these rhetorics so that we believe and
we are brainwashed, saying washed to believe that we have
a problem with his ideology if we are not in
alignment with it or don't agree with it.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
It's an intense manipulation and people do it.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Everywhere, Lauren, I think there's some political gas lighting going
on within this. Mike Barnacle reference that as far as
media is part of this, because Trump says crazy things
and then media interprets it in a rational and reasonable way,
and then we are meant to deal with a reasonable
and rational idea when that is not at all what

(51:17):
he said. And when we go back to like well,
but pay attention to what he literally said, and they
say things like, don't take him literally, just take him seriously.
I'm like, what are you even talking about? What do
you think that means?

Speaker 6 (51:29):
Talking in circles? It's like we all living in a
crackerjack box. It don't make no sense. And that's why
I constantly, sometimes I really do now have to turn
off the news because it becomes an insult to my
intelligent and an assault right on my intellect because you're
not gonna convince me that what he just said made

(51:52):
sense or what you just said makes sense, and how
you're going to spend an entire hour. Bring on legal
pundits who have like I said, go on to law.

Speaker 7 (52:00):
School, political analysts who've.

Speaker 6 (52:02):
Been doing this for thirty years and talking circles for
an entire hour about something you know that makes sense
or more important, we know the line, and I think
we have.

Speaker 7 (52:14):
To get This is why this show exists.

Speaker 6 (52:16):
Truth Talks to speak truth to power, for us to
be able to start saying, listen, we're.

Speaker 7 (52:22):
Not doing all that.

Speaker 6 (52:23):
Call us when you're really ready to talk about it,
and we need to show it through our viewership where
we're watching right that's why people need to tune in
here so we can call it like we see it
instead of sitting there wasting and being on a news
cycle for three and five hours and you leave out
there being hypnotized by phrases fake. Remember it all started
with fake news. That was like the quintessential gas lighting.

(52:45):
Anything that he didn't agree with, anything they didn't like, anything.

Speaker 7 (52:50):
That was contrary to their agenda was fake news. Fake
news like.

Speaker 6 (52:56):
Exactly as if like, okay, even if it's in a
posing opinion, is that a is that fake or is
it an opposing opinion?

Speaker 7 (53:05):
It's a real opposing opinion. It's not fake news.

Speaker 6 (53:09):
So we've been dealing with this for a long time,
and I think we have to we have to be
able to kind of look it starts personally. As as
Doc said, it's not just in the political landscape, it's
even in.

Speaker 7 (53:21):
Our own homes, you know.

Speaker 6 (53:23):
And I'm end at this. I mean, you see the
kids now today. How many times have I heard a parent,
you know, say, oh, well, so and so they need
to take a mental health day, so they stayed home
from school?

Speaker 7 (53:33):
A what ain't nothing wrong with them?

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Ain't wrong that?

Speaker 7 (53:42):
No, no, no, let me finish.

Speaker 6 (53:44):
My point, because kids have learned to even weaponize that
phrase against their parents. And it's to Dimitri's point, some
kids might need the mental health day because they needed
and there's something they dealing with. Well, what we've learned
now is tell your mama, tell your dad, and then

(54:06):
just tell them you need a mental health day, and
then you can just stay home.

Speaker 7 (54:10):
And I'll stand by that ten to if I had stand.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
By some people for sure, they're teenagers. You give them
an inch, they'll take a mile. Some people are taking
a mental I've had it in my own home when
I'm like I was conned in the morning, and then
in the afternoon, I'm like you were. But I do,
I do think it is important to respect the children

(54:34):
and when they say something is wrong with them mentally
or physically, that we have to listen to them. And
even if they con us or they were not telling
the full truth, the notion that the adults around them
believe them when they say something is wrong with their
body mentally or physically is a very important lesson for them.
But Doc, I want to get to you. I want
to get to you on this.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
He's parenting, He's going to be an unlimited leash.

Speaker 4 (54:59):
So episode on that he's gentle in that area, another
episode on that episode, because I'm not for he has
a lot on.

Speaker 7 (55:08):
The gas lighting.

Speaker 6 (55:09):
So I was only speaking about it as it becoming
a weapon that they're using to gas light, not the
fact that certain children really do need a middle les.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
And and of course do it all the time.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
Kids learn to manipulate by parents who are gentle, who
allow them to manipulate them and fall into their tactics,
and it only hurts.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
The child gentle Like I mean, children will manipulate any
kind of parents. It's not just parents who are understanding
and loving toward them, also parents who are harsh toward them.
It's not it's not that you know one side is
going to get triggered.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Back to let's get back on topic, because harsh and
discipline are two different things, and we know you're triggered
by harsh and abuse. We can have a whole episode
on that, because I want to talk about parenting is
effective in certain areas, but discipline and obedience is needed
at all levels in your life as a kid, you know,
as adolescent and as an adult.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Dabiti part of what we're dealing with is black people
saying it's sort of embracing this notion of sainwashing and
sort of like are we healing? Are we sort of hiding?
Like are we really trying to be to deal with
like trauma orre we like just hiding from that?

Speaker 5 (56:21):
Yeah, it's it's it's it's a toss up there. They're like,
she says, crackerjack boxing is getting a look confusing. It's
getting hard to tell the difference these days because everybody's
using it.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
But can we talk about the I like to call
it the Candace own effect. You know.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
I don't know if you guys know what I'm referring to,
but it's the idea that Candace Owens. I don't know
if y'all actually hear her speak, but a lot of
times she's using phrases like victim mentality, personal accountability, stop
being triggered when she's speaking to people, and it all
sounds deep on the surface, but like she's really dismissive
to like systematic oppression and shit that we've actually been

(56:59):
through all actuality, Candice Owens looks like what white America
would want us to look like. You know what I'm saying,
She's using it to her advantage, and to me, I
think people don't actually speak on that side of it enough,
because that is absolutely a real thing.

Speaker 7 (57:19):
Do one more line for me. I wanted to catch
that point.

Speaker 6 (57:22):
You say, because she's appearing in this very like how
you believe white culture receives us more what pretty face,
the straight hair.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
No, No, she's she's just a political performance artist who
says things that white people want to say, so that
she says racist, right, and she's.

Speaker 6 (57:45):
Doing it from packaging that they like to receive it from.

Speaker 7 (57:50):
I was just trying to make sure I understood it.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Hold on, hold to me. The thing we're trying to
drill down on is therapy talk being used as gaslighting
and black people dealing with therapy and the ideas around
therapy that have come into society, but using it to weaponize,
to push people away, to not take accountability. Are you
seeing that?

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Yes, absolutely, I'm seeing a ton of it.

Speaker 5 (58:14):
And it's even in the phrases you use in these
conversations when you throw therapy in somebody's face and you say,
I think you need to stop Victor. There's some people
I know and I'm not gonna, you know, get too personal,
but you hear people all the time on the Internet
saying you need to look inward.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
You're you're actually the problem.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
You're these things without knowing any knowledge of what's going
on in.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
These people's lives.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
The moment you say somebody's victim blaming, or the moment
you say, maybe the problems inward and you should reflect
in you're using all this therapy analogies to.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Push aside what they've actually been through and know.

Speaker 5 (58:50):
All I'm saying is if you really pay attend now again,
this always delivers their messages. It's in that format, So
it makes her seem like she's completely against everything we've
been through.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Douc, Where are black people going astray on this? It's
because I think as a nation, black people, everybody, it's
like moving slowly toward acceptance of these ideas around mental health.
Take it seriously in our lives. We've seen it go
from some people did not take seriously to something people
take very seriously. A lot of black people, Charlemagne and
gott are like, yes, I can't wait to go to therapy.

(59:22):
Everybody should go to therapy. So this nose of sade washing,
how does this resonate for you?

Speaker 3 (59:29):
I mean I think I agree. I think therapy should
be a lifestyle for all of us. I don't think
it's a black or white thing.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
I think it is a great preventative measure, and folks
use it too often as an intervention, which I always
say is oftentimes too late. But I see clients in
session with me all the time, torre using therapeutic terms,
clinical terms to plead their case with me as the
provider on the other side, saying, you know this triggers me.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
This is how I felt.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
The reason why I responded like that and was abusive,
whether it's emotional or stonewalling or physical, was because I
was a victim in this area. Victim or not does
not negate the fact that abuses abuse right, victim are not.
Or however you felt does not negate the fact that
you're responsible for the way you responded or you reacted.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
I have a saying where I always say.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
Feelings cause problems, emotions don't, because it is healthy to feel,
which means you identify your emotions. I feel sad, I
feel mad, I feel frustrated, perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
We want to know you're human.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Let's identify those emotions and let's figure out what you
want to do with them. But once you let your emotions,
how you feel, get into your feelings, we have problems
because in your reactory then you're functioning at a low
level where you're not able to regulate your emotions, and
that causes a problem. And what people do is they
get into a low functioning state where they can't regulate
their emotions because they don't not identify their emotions and

(01:00:52):
they're in their feelings. And guess what happens. They want
to say, Well, the reason why I'm this way, Torey,
is because you're talking about gentle parenting. No, you are
inflamed because you may be triggered with the gentle parenting word.
Or No, Terrey, you're triggered maybe because you've experienced abuse
in the past.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Let's talk about that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
Let's not talk about how you and I are victimizing
each other by our difference in opinions. You and I
are not victimizing each other, Torey. We're having a difference
in opinion about a topic that one or both of
us could be feeling triggered, are feeling passionate about. So
what I'm saying is people need to learn to stay
on their square. Take responsibility for what they put on it,

(01:01:32):
and not say that you are causing me to feel
a certain way. Because emotions are something that are normal.
What I choose to do with them is my free
will and my choice. And I'm not a victim by
you because I am responding in a way based on
what you've said or what you've done to me. I
have free will, and therapy teaches you to use your
choice and use your process before you produce a response.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Lauren, I think that Trump is being sanewa washed by
me quite often, and a lot of what he does
that is abnormal. Media is, like you know, they find
there is seem to be a way of normalizing it,
and you know, partly this is coming from the way
that they have silenced and chilled in media, but also

(01:02:18):
so much bullshit is coming at us that it's very
difficult for media to even understand, you know, and properly
contextualize what's going on because it's such an abnormal situation.
What do you think about the role that media is
playing and sort of normalizing Trump, insane washing Trump and
the impact that's having on black people.

Speaker 6 (01:02:37):
It's incredibly impactful, and like I said, it goes back
to the whole fake news thing.

Speaker 7 (01:02:41):
Right when they came up that slogan years ago, they.

Speaker 6 (01:02:44):
Were basically creating a series of lies, and then anytime
someone called them out on their lies or cited something
that was contrary or either disproved.

Speaker 7 (01:02:55):
What they were saying, it was fake news.

Speaker 6 (01:02:58):
Anything coming from the other part already was fake news.

Speaker 7 (01:03:01):
And it became this kind of I call it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:04):
I guess I use the word okie dope because I'm
on school, but it's gas lighting, That's really what it is,
where you know what you heard was a lie, but
when you.

Speaker 7 (01:03:13):
Say that's a lie, they say you're fake news.

Speaker 6 (01:03:18):
And the next thing you know, you're sitting up there
going now, I'm the one that's getting called fake, right,
and you the one that's lying. And I don't think
media really in the interest of trying to make money
get ratings, right, I think we pressed the Remember how
the old school songs had the extended play, you know,

(01:03:38):
the song.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Version.

Speaker 6 (01:03:41):
Okay, y'all just do it, y'all only do the short song.
But it used to be when it was the jam Honey,
Good Old Earth, Wind and Fire Stevie Wonder, we had
a radio version and then you could do extended play
where that thing might have played for twelve thirteen minutes.
I think what media has done has pressed extended play right.

(01:04:01):
Because our media cycle is twenty four hours a day.

Speaker 7 (01:04:05):
We're now talking.

Speaker 6 (01:04:06):
In circles all day, and it's the perfect breeding ground
for gas lighting, because media has become a circus of
talking in circles to keep people engage, and showing the
drama and the lies to draw people in. We're almost
now a victim of the landscape we've created is now

(01:04:30):
killing us. Right, Everything has to be shock value, everything
has to grab your attention, and so how many times
throughout the day do we see them reinforce a bold
face lie? Now, last point, the average person listening, are
they deductively reasoning? Are they critically thinking? No, They're just

(01:04:54):
hearing the same video, the same thoughts play over and
over again, and people are internalizing those as truth.

Speaker 7 (01:05:02):
I'll leave it to doctor B to tell us how
that happens.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
I just know it is. No.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Yeah, you're right. And there's there's black politicians who are
participating in this. Nate McCall, Byron Daniels, there's Byron Oh.
You know, the same washing is leaving people misunderstanding the
reality that we are in as Yeah, Mike Charnicle was
talking about at the top, that they are unable to

(01:05:29):
understand how dire the situation is for black people, in particular,
for our democracy. There's one of the enemies of our
democracy now to tell us that insane things, cruel things,
bizarre things, unconstitutional things are well. Trump has the power
to do that. That's just what happened, and we need

(01:05:52):
a much more critical conversation about the news we're getting
rather than telling people what happened, Tell them this is wrong,
tell them this should not be happening. Tell them this
is dangerous for the entire future of our democracy to be.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
That's called programming, though, which you just described as programming.
That is what cole to do.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
They program Cannas Owens has taken a long time for people,
especially Black people, to finally take a liking to her
because through her programming process.

Speaker 5 (01:06:20):
Through her.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
Kennis Owens was just on I don't want to name
the row not Morgan Pierce was another big, big, big show.
Jody knows what I'm talking about, and she had I mean,
she had millions of live views and people were literally
in the chat.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Black people just rooting for her, So I'm back.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
What I'm saying is it's programming, and what media is
meant to do is program their viewers so that their
viewers now have a message that's on autopilot, and that
autopilot runs even when that media is no longer running,
so that that person innately becomes drawn to the same
type of rhetoric or narrative or programming that that media

(01:06:58):
is manipulating them with. This is That's why you'll find
that your algorithm on your phone, on your television tends
to pick up on the same things that you've been watching,
or you tend to gravitate towards people circumstance. Things and
TV shows are YouTube whatever you watch that you have
already been watching. Or if you buy a car, you
tend to see that same car on the road over
and over again. When you leave a relationship, people tend

(01:07:20):
to date the same vessel, our same similar experience. It's
called programming. And what we have to do here at
you Talks and as black folks who are in media,
we have to reprogram our people and the people connected
to us in proximity to us to understand our narrative
to be able to be on autopilot about the things
that represent who we are and the things that work
for our community. Because folks like Cannis Owens may not

(01:07:41):
be liked by many of us on here, but if
you go to her page, there's a shitload of people globally,
globally who she's converted to agreeing in liking this Cannas
Owens and her message of programming.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
You go to her page, I must speak confused about
which candis ow and she's talking about Temeitri.

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
So I just want to make this clear because I
don't want to leave anybody confused or a room to
understand what we're hitting on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
The idea of.

Speaker 5 (01:08:07):
This is is that the media is saying, oh, Trump's
just misunderstood.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
He's dealing with the pressures like everybody else.

Speaker 5 (01:08:14):
They're trying to dumb him down to a humanistic standpoint
to where you can understand it. And they're doing it
through therapy and things like empathy and all these things.
And you got people us falling for the okie dog
saying things like, well, Trump gave us a check when
other people didn't, or like, I don't like Trump, but
at least he's honest, or you know he's keeping it

(01:08:35):
real and Biden was faking.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
All these things.

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
But then you got you have Naytan Byron actually a
testing for this, saying things like Trump did more for
black people than any other Democratic x y Z blah
blah blah. But Trump knows exactly what he's doing, and
he knows what hand it is to play to get
you guys on the side. And I think, in my opinion,
it's a dangerous thing when you see black man actually

(01:08:59):
advocate this. Wow, people believe, People believe, Oh, it can't
be racist if it's a black man saying these things. Oh,
this is a black intellect, so we should agree with this.
And then you got people who are pulling that side,
and they're falling for exactly what it is. So all
I want to say is be very conscious of who's

(01:09:19):
pushing these messages and what messages they're putting I mean pushing,
and understand that this is a president we're talking about here.

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