OBAMA THE MUSICAL, and DOES DIDDY & BLACK MEN HATE BLACK WOMEN?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In the metriar.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
Yeah, don't don't tell our other part because we're sneaking
me and you're sneaking in Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
I assume this isn't a real countdown.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
I think it.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
Is, It says recording.

Speaker 5 (00:16):
Yeah, yeah, this show must go on.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Okay, let's find out another day.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
In beautiful l A.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
Somebody send me the script.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
The beginning where you fit in from here.

Speaker 6 (00:39):
You know.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
That's funny.

Speaker 7 (00:45):
If you don't know what to say, just don't talk, ladies.
Ladies will take all that space. You gonna say, Dmitri,
you want me to see here and stare at the camera.
Ladies will take all that space more time for us.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Fantastic.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
All they need is to hear his rusty voice. That's
all the don't need to hear nothing.

Speaker 8 (01:01):
You love I received because God gave me a voice.
Is incredible.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
My son be like daddy, can I get some pancakes?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
I'd be like son, recap boys whatever he wants?

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Can we get up?

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:18):
It's good morning? Crazy?

Speaker 3 (01:22):
You spank your son?

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Do I spank him? No? Spank get whoopings?

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Wait you said no, and then you said yes?

Speaker 7 (01:31):
Do you do you your child?

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Spanking isself whitewashed.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
He said, he get asked, who you know what it means?

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Do you do? You do? You use corporal punishment?

Speaker 1 (01:44):
He putting you on glass right now to me.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
I'll be honest.

Speaker 8 (01:48):
My son in twelve seconds, I summarized it. My son
probably had two whoopings in his entire life. They got
the job done. He's a very respectful young kid.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
That's too many know you're serious.

Speaker 8 (01:59):
You gotta know your daddy serious.

Speaker 7 (02:03):
Welcome to truth Talks. It's been a crazy week. We're
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(02:24):
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Speaker 3 (02:31):
Black men hate black women? Truth Talk Stars?

Speaker 6 (02:35):
Now, are y'all ready to roll?

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Let y'all.

Speaker 7 (02:53):
Welcome, truth Tellers. Welcome to our faithful audience. Thank you
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come see us argue like friends in a bar with me,
Doctor Cheyenne Bryant.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
What's going on? You know? Excited to cover these topics
tonight and.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Just hoping that y'all don't say no bullshit that's too
much to the left.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
I got to set y'all on the right right, or.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
That could happen to you. Nick, So glad to have you.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
What's up, guys, I thought you said, Dmitri, but your
girl Sarah is here. I think I have some of
the most conservative thoughts where my givers at. Please let
me know in the check because y'all, we gotta keep
it real, speak our truth, because this is truth talks.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Let's go.

Speaker 7 (03:42):
And I found this guy last night hanging outside of
seven eleven, Dmitri Wiley.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
It is a pleasure. Thank you for scooping me up
and giving me employment. I'm better.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
No, it's all works. See, employment does everything.

Speaker 7 (03:56):
I'm here, I'm torre let into some trending topics, y'all.
So Sug Knight has been doing a lot of interviews
from prison. I didn't know that you could get approved
for so many interviews from inside the bing, but here
we are, Sug said in one interview. Puffy and I

(04:18):
are not friends, but Puffy should definitely walk free.

Speaker 9 (04:23):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (04:23):
I never thought that i'd hear Sug from the jailhouse
talking about Puffy.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Should beat the case.

Speaker 7 (04:30):
He said Diddy is being unfairly singled out, and it
was other executives that were involved in Puffy's life. For
Puffy to be the only guy to get on the
stand is a sad day for hip hop. I'm trying
to think of who the other executives he's talking about.
I have one in mind, But Doctor B what is

(04:51):
Sug talking about here? Is he trying to say, maybe
y'all should be looking at other executives like above Puffy.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Is he going to be Can we get him to
call in one day?

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah? I might be able to see if we can
get him to call in.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Of course, you know, we may have to do the
show out of time that is in alignment with his
prison available time.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
But I could definitely check in on that.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
But I think what he's saying is that we are
obviously looking at p Diddy, who's done, you know, obviously
allegedly has committed some really big crimes. But I believe
he's saying that it goes deeper and that there's executives
and big dogs that are bigger than just the optics
of what we see, which is Diddy. And he's saying, Yo, look,
you know, not so much. I don't agree with this,

(05:33):
but he's saying he's you know, Diddy is he is innocent.
But he's also saying that, listen, y'all just picking on
one dude. There's a plethora of people who were involved
with this case, not just one dude.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
And he's also saying that this is bigger and deeper
than freak offs and domestic violence. This has to do
with even the FBI, I believe, Sugar stand. This has
to do with the the internal folks who actually have
to do I don't know why, right, I digress, But
what I'm gonna say is Sugar's pretty much saying that, listen,

(06:05):
were making we're making a pddy the poster guy for
the much deeper issue that involves a lot of more people,
and he may be onto something about it.

Speaker 7 (06:15):
So okay, look, we know that per the New York
Times reporting and like forty or fifty women speaking of
like Russell Simmons raped half of New York. We know
of some other crazy situations. To be true, I don't
know somebody else who's an executive who is helping Puffy

(06:36):
do what he did. What we're talking about in this case,
Like there's people beneath him who are working for him,
who do what he say. But like I don't know
Clive Davis is the guy above him, Like I don't
know what Sugar's talking about.

Speaker 8 (06:51):
You know, it's funny to me, Well, it's ironic because
Sugar Night, a man convicted of so much violence, is
now arguing for like fairness in hip hop, justice and
hip hop. And the thing about it is, we got
to look back at who we know Shug to be.
You know what I'm saying, It's not because he believes
in justice. This is simply because he want company behind bars,

(07:12):
even like this motherfucker gonna burn, I want everybody to
feel the smoke.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
You know what I'm saying. I don't even he's the
wrong source in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Sarah, Yeah, I don't know that. I agree with that.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
I think this is typical cultural black experience where there's
a fall guy. You know, I don't think this is
any new from how what's his name took the shop
for the girl to shop Magus Stallion, he's the tall guy.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Whoa whoa, whoa whoa. Tory Lanez was the fall guy.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
What I'm saying is, how often do we know inside
of the black community where there is one person that
takes it all for everybody, and then when that person
gets out of jail, they're taking care of right. This
goes back to the relationships, and this is one of
the reasons why I don't feel like Diddy will ever
go broke, because he has an opportunity right now to
incorporate some of these people that are almost most certainly guilty. Yes,

(08:05):
I know we've only heard it's a one on one
thing as far as the freak offs go, but these
parties were huge.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
They were massive.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Whoa, whoa. How do you know that? We don't know that.

Speaker 7 (08:17):
Nobody has seriously testified to that. Nobody has reported that.
No serious person has said there were these eyes wide shut,
wild Hollywood parties.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Nobody has said that.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
Yes, So this is what I'm saying. Nobody's ever going
to say that when you go to a lot of
these parties. I've been to the parties where they put
your phone in a little ziplock bag, that you can't
even get out without a special tool. You can't take pictures,
you can't make phone calls, you have no idea. A
lot of parties you go to, you sign NDA's before
you even get into the house. So there are these
things that are happening. I'm trying to tell y'all, this

(08:47):
is real stuff.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
And this man is so well.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
Connected that I do not believe that he is the
only one that did it. It's kind of like the
whole Epstein case. How we've committed suicide in jail? Did
it or was it kid because he knew too much?
That's my opinion.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
I don't know. Call me a conspiracy theorist.

Speaker 7 (09:05):
Okay, have it your way, your conspiracy theorists.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
No, A lot of people agree with you on Epstein.
I don't know, but.

Speaker 7 (09:13):
It seems to like almost release some of the pressure
from Puff to go.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Well, who are the other people we know, others.

Speaker 7 (09:23):
Who helped him beneath because that's being testified to you,
but like people who with more power than him to.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
You're focusing more on this whole party, okay, violence and
this whole sexual abuse. What I hear Shug saying is
we focusing on the very fucking mustard seed of the
bigger problem. And to your point, Torey, a lot of
people are looking at it like p Diddy is the
He's the the icing on the cake, the big dog,

(09:52):
and he's the one to get sugar.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Is saying, check this out.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
I've been the big dog. I've been it, meaning Sug's
been the big dog. He knows to your point, there's
people on an but there's big dogs above him who
never get optics on them, whose names are never told,
who never make it to court, who never hold I'll
never have to be convicted. And what he's saying is
this is bigger than just saying this one black mogo
powerful man is just the the god of all gods

(10:17):
and it's creating all of this splash.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
He's like, nah, there's a lot more.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
To this, and that they need to dig in the
more to this into Sarah, you know, listen, I don't
be agreeing. What's our regreeing when none of you people
that much, But this moment, Sarah has a point. You
have people who take charges for people all the time,
especially when it comes to the inner city.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Are on the streets.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Let me say, just in the street of community that
take a riff one.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
They don't want to be known as a snitch too.
She's right, and it's.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Called lanz Is that Lane, Let's stay on top of it.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
We're talking about p Diddy, not Tory Lanes.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
I agree with you. We're talking about p Diddy. We're
saying when people take a bid, it's called a bid
in the hood. When you take a bid for somebody
and you come out, you are due diligence for a pay,
not just monetarily, but loyalty and protection from her, the
folks in the streets.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
So when she's saying, is it could possibly be that.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yes, he's on trial and of course he now, of
course allegedly he committed all these crimes. Okay, we see
the Messa vindes A definitely what we've visually seen on camera.
But he could be in there not telling on the
higher ups whoever these people are, so that he's the
one like, look, dude, if I telling the higher up
a couple of things, it's going to open up a
whole other can of worms that is even bigger than

(11:33):
the stuff that he's being allegedly, you know, accused of doing.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
So see at the point there, way bigger.

Speaker 7 (11:39):
So let me shift you guys to something else going
on right now in La where doctor Brian is from
Obama the Musical. There's a new musical about my favorite
president and my favorite first lady, and people are talking
about it.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Let's see a little clip.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
Baby.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
More than anything.

Speaker 6 (12:07):
Obama.

Speaker 10 (12:10):
That sound.

Speaker 8 (12:15):
Man knock me down, knock me out, just like Stanner.

Speaker 7 (12:26):
Okay, Wow, this is supposed to be satirical. It's making
fun of Obama's White House years. There is one scene
where the Obamas are singing about White House love, and
for some reason, Joe Biden comes into the room and
tries to join the scene. I don't know why anybody
is thinking about anything like that, but here we are,

(12:51):
dmit you does this feel I know you weren't alive
for the Obama missiage, but does this feel.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Disrespectful to the president?

Speaker 2 (13:01):
And that's okay to me because because Teray was technically dead,
he's an ancestor.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
He's a gold still walking. I appreciate that.

Speaker 8 (13:10):
You know, it's funny because when you see satire about
black icons. In my opinion, I don't think we've celebrated
them long enough before we turn it into sad time,
before it becomes comedy.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
I think. Don't get me wrong, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (13:24):
Obama, we gave his flowers, but we're not done giving them.
This is this is this is too quick to be
Saturday Night Live. This is the first black president, something
that changed history books. It's right now, this is, this
is given Saturday Night Live. This is nothing less than
Saturday Night Live. And I don't like it. The beach slap,
you're on the beat slap?

Speaker 3 (13:44):
You don't like it?

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Do you do? You not know? Is it disrespectful?

Speaker 8 (13:50):
I think it comes off as disrespectful, disrespectful in terms
of what Obama means to me, what Obama means to
the black culture. I think the idea of it is
entirely it's it's unprecedented, like I never I would expect
Obama to attend this like I think it's it's too
left for me to left field?

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Uh, doctor Brian, what do you think?

Speaker 1 (14:11):
I love it? I think it's the culture.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
I think that black people have this thing that not
that no other rays could do, where we can take
our president, our people, and and and and add a
curse word to it.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
And wrote that what white man wrote that?

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Oh well, then did you changing up the narrative.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Tory said, you leaving out information, My brother, you're leaving
out information.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Now you see how you see how you did me?
This is.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
White man wrote it.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
Oh no, this.

Speaker 11 (14:39):
Sucks because because it does make a difference to authors things,
because messages are in the hands of the writer, which
creates the narrative.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
And so for me, if it was.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
A black uh song about Obama by us black folks,
then I can say that's ours.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yes, so we can say this motherfucker Obama. We're partying
up here.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
But when you have a white person who comes to
the barbecue and every brun's bringing the marinated chicken and
they're the ones that sat in the tone for that barbecue,
then to me, it doesn't become a culture thing. It
becomes us feeding into again a white person's narrative of
how we're gonna celebrate what we do. So now you see,
now that you don't gave me the right information, I
have to switch up how I feel about it.

Speaker 8 (15:24):
But you got to see how being of a line
that is like, that's a that's a that's a really
hard line to like navigate because if we're doing it ourselves,
we almost making it seem like it's acceptable to be done.
Like I get our culture. We poke fun at everything.
That's what we do, That's how black people operate. But
this here, I remember being I think I was probably

(15:45):
I was a kid when Obama two thousand and eight.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
I was probably like twelve years old or something like that.

Speaker 7 (15:50):
And the thing about it when Obama that ain't even twelve,
I had to be.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Like I had to be like twelve or someone.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
But yeah, I know, Micha, you said you were.

Speaker 8 (16:01):
Yes, I was in tears, like I turned my little
game off. I'm sitting here watching the inauguration with my
parents and this is like this was a thing for
me like I've seen recently and it was on like
a thing the NBA was doing. Where about the US Olympics.
Anthony Anthony Edwards was having a conversation. I would disrespect it.

(16:21):
How you not putting respect on you?

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Talking to hold on?

Speaker 7 (16:24):
But what you said before you reminded me of election
night and it wasn't certain going into the night who
was gonna win.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yeah, and when it finally.

Speaker 7 (16:34):
And a lot of us were talking about the Tom
Bradley effect, maybe they'll get in there because he's leading
in the polls, but we weren't.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
And when it was.

Speaker 7 (16:41):
Finally called, I mean like I had chills. I don't
think I cried, because I think that is socialized out
of me, but like had like a deep emotion of like,
oh my God, like this massive moment in America has happened.
I had a little baby then, and remember looking at
him and being like wow, like you're going to know

(17:01):
a world with a black president, like the crazy to
be Sarah, I mean like, were you well, I want
to know if you think the play is disrespectful, and
then your sort of emotion around Obama nests like when
that was first really blowing up, like me and de
talked about Yeah, So no, I.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Don't feel like it was disrespectful.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
I feel like it was a satirical play based on
something that didn't happen in real life. That's why it's
a satire, right, because it's not a true story.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
But I almost feel like.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
It's more mocking Joe Biden than anything, because it's like
through the hazy eyes of Joe Biden. And so for me,
that's what kind of makes it like, Okay, we did
have a black president.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Okay, there is catchy.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
Music I'm probably gonna be singing this song now for
the next three days because it's so catchy. But I
really just feel like one of the things that I
do love is that, you know, while Obama was in office,
he was one of very few, if not the only
president in mind you.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
I'm Canadian.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
I didn't grow up learning about all your presidents, but
I did hear a lot about the scandals, and we
didn't have one.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
So I love during Obama. During Obama there were no scandals, yes,
and I love.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
That for us, but there were scandals with a lot of.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
Other presidents, right, and so for me, I feel like
we just have an opportunity to laugh about something that
was great. This is what we do as black people.
I love that they're telling the story in a funny
way and it just is what it is. I don't
feel like it's disrespectful how good it was the president.
There's nothing more beautiful than being able to see a

(18:32):
piece of yourself at the highest, most highly esteemed position
in America. I think that that creates opportunity, it creates belief,
and it really shatters a lot of the mindsets that
we used to have, like we could never have a
black parent president.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Well, we did it, you know.

Speaker 7 (18:46):
I obviously we don't want to judge a piece of
art that we haven't seen, although, you know, because I
want to evaluate the tone of how something's done. Although
I don't imagine how Joe Biden walking in mistakenly on
a moment of like real love between this deep loving
couple that has been together for decades and their love
is sort of like iconic.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
I don't know how that would work.

Speaker 7 (19:09):
Like how am I supposed to not find that disrespectful
like I see it?

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah, I mean I want to.

Speaker 7 (19:15):
But I mean I don't know how you can play
it that doesn't that is not going to make me cride.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Should be like Trump.

Speaker 8 (19:20):
If this was a Trump musical, he'd be standing on
a horse riding in with some powerful song playing in
the background.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
It would not be this interpretation.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Right now.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
They're moving out right now about Trump, and.

Speaker 12 (19:36):
You know what's saying, we're all due respect. This is
a black news with a black boys.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
We don't give a damn about that.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Moving into politicking our next segment. When you go to school,
you should learn facts.

Speaker 7 (19:52):
But because of the mediac who Sarah's just talking about,
in some schools, they won't be learning facts. Starting next
school in Oklahoma, in high school, students will.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Be studying the twenty twenty presidential election and learning that
maybe it was stolen from Trump.

Speaker 7 (20:09):
Make your own decision research, should yourself figure it out
for yourself fact check it was one hundred percent not stolen. However,
the big lie about the twenty twenty election persists, and
you wonder, like Shayan, should black people be part of
like reversing this reverse unoing this trend of like fake

(20:33):
news and fake information? And could you have like black
institutions like a church say we're going to start to
help educate the community.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Let me go further. I love what you said. Not
just a church.

Speaker 12 (20:45):
We have Black Lives Matter. That's Black ORGANIZATIONACP. That's a
civil rights black organization. We have many other organizations that
aren't as big as those two but are extremely impactful.
Why are they not mobilizing And I'm a as an NAACP,
and I'm calling us out. Why are we not mobilizing
with other not just civil rights but black organizations at

(21:05):
provide resources. We got financial, literary, age organization for black folks.
We got educational, we have all kinds of organizations that
give away scholarships for education. We got HBCU organizations, we
have the Divine nine. Do I have to keep going on?
We have so many black organizations.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Why are we not organizing as a collective and saying,
okay in every church, let's teach it NAACP, in every
one of your your branch's offices. Let's set up shop
back in the day when we when we were not
able to go to school and we were at the
hands of the master. What do you think that we
taught our kids at What do you think that education
was exchanged from. I'm not saying we go about the

(21:43):
slavery is what I'm saying is we have to mobilize
and figure out okay to away.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Listen, where do we do this at? How do we
do it?

Speaker 2 (21:49):
So many organizations don't have buildings that are donated to them.
Churches have churches and they have different buildings donated to
them by the city because they are a tax exempt
organization that don't pay for So if you're not paying
for it, then why are we not using it so
that we can push out education to our black students
and our black kids, even adults.

Speaker 7 (22:08):
Dmitri, there's all these ways that an organization in sitution
can serve the community.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
The church will.

Speaker 7 (22:16):
Do its education right, a library will do its thing.
But like I think about like the Black Panthers, and
they're doing the activist work and protecting against the police,
but also they are serving breakfast to children every single morning.
That was a requirement for every Black Panther, and so
when they're doing that basic service for what the people need,

(22:37):
that is so empowering. And I think about whatever institution
it is to come in and say, the basic need
that we need is education, black history education for the children.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
So how can we give them that?

Speaker 7 (22:49):
Because we're also giving them spiritual education or library or whatever,
but they need this, So like, should we not be
thinking about how else we can get this education to
students that the schools aren't going to do.

Speaker 8 (23:00):
No, absolutely, I think it's about coming up with programs,
it's about starting things of our own, and it's about
learning ourselves because a lot of time education is a
pass down thing.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
Before you ever touch a textbook, your parents tell you
what's going on. If they don't know, they.

Speaker 8 (23:14):
Can't teach you. So first it's about educating yourselves as well.
I think that's the biggest I'm learning, so my song
can learn right behind me. It's passed down knowledge. But
the thing about this is this isn't just rewriting history.
This is a racing history before it ever touches a textbook,
so they're not gonna know anything that actually occur, and
then they have to live in conspiracy. So yeah, absolutely,

(23:37):
it's about doing the work ourselves. We got to start
out doing it ourselves.

Speaker 7 (23:40):
I want to push forward to our main topic tonight
because it's actually a really powerful emotional.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
People might cry.

Speaker 7 (23:49):
I might cry, might break through socialization and crying because
this is do black men hate Black women? And I, okay,
let's move into the main topic because this is.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Going to be very emotional, very real.

Speaker 7 (24:15):
There I might cry and this said, I break through
the socialization. But the big question tonight do black men
hate Black women? And I think it's an important question.
It's a powerful question. I'm proud to have two smart
women and a smart man to work through this because
this is a really important question. I want to handle
it delicately because this really matters. But in nineteen sixty,

(24:37):
sixty one percent of Black Americans were married. A twenty
twenty one only thirty one percent, and that shows a
serious love imbalance. One social media creator thinks he understands
the why Jody Rollback clip bro.

Speaker 13 (24:53):
Men don't like women for real, they don't They like
women sexually, but they don't like women. They're not attracted
to what a woman is outside of her sexual organs.
So then when we get into why a lot of
men woman eyes or why, it's just they're minimizing a
woman based off of who she slept with or who

(25:15):
she potentially can sleep for it because it's like, you
haven't gained the appreciation of the wholeness of a woman
yet and what that wholeness of a woman can bring
to your life.

Speaker 7 (25:25):
You know, Dimitri, about a month ago, I heard this
woman on TikTok say men don't like women, they're attracted
to them and there's a difference. And once she decoupled
that for me, I was like, oh my god, it's true.
Think beyond the women you love who are in your
life already. Think beyond the women you make money with

(25:48):
or you're dating or whatever. Now you're like, do you
like women like if they don't have something specific to
offer for you? It's far as the transactional nature of
men quite up. I think a lot of us don't
like women. We don't care for women's culture. We think
we looked at it, and I think we're socialized to
do this, and that women often don't like men because

(26:11):
men are shitty to them, but we don't like them
because we are ultimately misogynist and not learning to value womanness.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
What do you think did me treat you?

Speaker 9 (26:20):
Know?

Speaker 8 (26:20):
In all actuality, I love women, and I think the
thing about it is when I say that, oftentimes people
hear in some misogynistic state, like No, I just love
the quality of a woman. I learned a ton from women,
and I love the way they carry themselves.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Out live up most men.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
When I say.

Speaker 8 (26:38):
Most men, what I mean is the idea that I
don't think Black men don't like Black women. That's not
exactly how I look at how I look at it.
I just don't think black men were ever taught how
to love women or admire women anything out of a
survival state.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
Or their ego.

Speaker 8 (26:54):
Like I don't think growing up there was somebody who
said this is how you treat a woman's how you
treat a black woman at that, Like, even when you
look at their relationship with their mother and how that.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Is also a sticky situation.

Speaker 8 (27:08):
She's learning and there's a resentment building in the same
way I say it all the time, the same way
a man.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
Respects his mother, he'll respect women in the world. That's
my opinion.

Speaker 7 (27:17):
Saying so, do you feel from your side all the
things step aar Do you feel like black men hate
black women?

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Do you think that we like women? Like where are you?

Speaker 2 (27:29):
I did a whole clip last season on this and
it went viral and crazy. A man is what his
mama makes him, and a man who's raised by a
single mama doesn't learn how to be a black man
who dates a woman, He oftentimes learns how to be

(27:49):
his mother's man, which means, at a very young age,
he takes on a lot of responsibilities that create a
resentment in him toward his mother. His mother, who happens
to be black and woman's we're talking about black men,
ends up becoming the optics of who he sees that
black woman or girlfriend or wife to be as an
adult man.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Let me go a little further.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
When he doesn't have a father in the home, of course,
one of thos daddy issues, and that also creates mama issues,
parential issues. However, that young man deems his father and
nothing as nigga, a loser, all those things that he
deems his father for not being there, that's exactly how
that black man sees himself intrinsically. So when you have
a man who doesn't love himself because he feels devalued

(28:33):
because father wasn't there in the home and he sees
himself as a nothing as man even though he's not
and he can be a great father and a great husband,
that is going to have a direct impact on his
dislike for himself. Anyone who does like himself is going
to have an issue with loving or liking their partner.
Let me go one step further. There are a big
group of black men, not every that do not only dislike,

(28:54):
but they really hate black women. And they don't know
it is subconsciously because they have the gun pointed not literally,
I'm using it as a as a metaphor pointed at
every black woman that looks like the mama who.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Couldn't keep their father, couldn't keep their mother.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Around, so they didn't have a daddy who either didn't
communicate well enough in his perspective as a young boy
with his father enough so daddy can be around, and
usual is Daddy didn't want you. So guess what Daddy
didn't want me? And that young boy grows up to
really have a hate towards his mom, who he never
learns to unpack with, so he unpass what every single
black woman he comes in contact with, and it's very
dangerous and it's very very sad.

Speaker 7 (29:30):
Sarah, do you feel like the black men you're coming
into contact, not just the dating, but like all the
men socially whatever were Do you feel like black men
dislike black women hate black women.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Not at all.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
I don't feel that way at all, but I do
would agree with a little bit of what everyone's saying
that most times black men don't know how to love
black women. And I say that because I don't think
black women know how to be loved. If you look
at this day and age of what's happening outside, there
is no real standard. It's literally like, oh, you sent

(30:07):
me to get my nails done, you took me to dinner.
I can sleep with you this night, So now I'm
offering you the most valuable thing that I have to
offer for a dinner. That's pretty crazy when you think
about it, And if there's no standard and there's no accountability,
then you're not learning or setting in place. Like you
teach people how to treat you, you teach people how

(30:27):
to love you. And if you yourself have never felt
loved because maybe your father wasn't in the household, or
you know, you're used to seeing your parents, they never
had affection. If you did have both parents, you know,
for me personally, I've never seen my parents fight, and
so I on my own had to learn repair because
that was something I never saw.

Speaker 7 (30:46):
I'm sorry, you've never seen your parents fight, not.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
One time, not one single time. And I'll have you
know both of them.

Speaker 7 (30:54):
Is that because they have great conflict resolution or because
they just don't fight?

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Oh, they have great conflict resolution. And they never fought
in front of us kids.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
That was because they make a point not to argue
in front of you. Absolutely they do argue, but just
they just keep it private for you. That's amazing.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Else, Now that being said, that almost ruined me a
little bit because inside of that, I thought that if
I fight, or if I'm angry or if I'm upset,
I'm doing something wrong. Oh this isn't what love is
supposed to look like. And so there are flip sides
to learning everything. But I really feel like we as
women get to set the standard and start teaching these
men how to love us.

Speaker 7 (31:31):
I appreciate what your sisters have said, and obviously everything
you've said is correct, but I want to I want
to pull you into the question a little bit more
because I know I feel it from the locker room,
to hang out, the chit chat whatever, that we don't
really like women. We want them. We want to be
seen with a hot woman. We want to, you know,

(31:53):
spend the night with you.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
But do we like you like we like men. I
think we want to hang out with man.

Speaker 7 (32:00):
We want to impress other men with our money, with
our skill on the basketball court, or whatever, with the
woman we get. But like I feel like talking to
other men. Don't talk about yourself, because that's very but
that that they don't.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
We don't.

Speaker 7 (32:13):
You don't, doctor Bright, You don't feel you don't see
men disliking women?

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Oh I just said a hard Yes.

Speaker 12 (32:21):
I don't only see a group, not all, but a
group of men disliking women and.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Seeing them as an enemy. I also see them as them,
seeing them as competition. So what that means, Listen, call
it what you want to, but the black community has.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
A deep rooted mommy and daddy issue. Period.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
That's not that's not something that we're hiding from, not
something that we're gonna we're gonna act like doesn't exist.
That in itself creates an identity crisis that in itself
creates something called self hate. And when a person who
doesn't identify with who they are are, they don't like
parts of them because parts of them were missing in
a childhood that could have reared or loved or validate

(32:59):
things about them, when they grow up to learn how
to compete for validation and not commune in a relationship,
and what happens is that's not just black men, no
'roun black men. But Sarah made a good point about
black women right, Well, when you're growing up as a
single mama, are you growing up as a little girl
with no fathers?

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Then guess what?

Speaker 2 (33:16):
You got two people in a relationship that think they're
trauma bondie, but they're not even fucking bonding. They're competing,
no one's being heard, and the only thing they're doing
good is probably sex.

Speaker 7 (33:26):
If even then, let me let me say one thing though,
dmitri patriarchy values masculinity. You get value in patriarchy by
being a strong man who acquires lots of things. Absolutely,
so that means we look down on femininity, and I

(33:47):
think that is sort of at the crux of a
lot of But we want to acquire femininity, Like I
want to have a woman, so other men see, oh
he's got that beautiful, womanly woman. So I look up
to him because he's got the car, the job, the woman,
the whatever. But like, do we respect femininity? Like, think
about how often then make digs at how long it

(34:10):
might take a woman to get ready for the night.
We want her to look amazing. We walk the earrings
and the makeup in the air, But then we're gonna
make a little dig about like, oh my god, it
took you an hour to get ready?

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Think about we I.

Speaker 7 (34:20):
Saw this brother on TikTok talking about you want to
talk about man splaining, Let's talk about how long it
takes a woman to explain something. And I'm like, these
are ways of just digging at femininity and like we
just don't like women.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
You know.

Speaker 8 (34:35):
The thing about it is, I don't think the problem
is masculinity or femininity. I think the problem actually lies
and the one thing men are taught that masculinity should embrace,
which is ego. And I think a lot of times
we lack the appreciation of a woman because oftentimes her
value can insult our ego.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
To be over educated, value insults our ego.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Absolutely.

Speaker 8 (35:01):
To see a woman who's highly educated, to see a
woman make more money than you do, to see a
woman who's hyper independent, we automatically label it as too much.
We minimize her their successes. We fear like the thing
about it is just like men are afraid to approach
women these days. Men are even more afraid to say
that's a high value woman, she's valuable.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
We can't even give flowers to women.

Speaker 8 (35:24):
And it breeds in appreciation, but it's more of I
think men are intimidated.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
The better word is called jealous. Let's call it what
it is. You just describe jealousy.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
Yeah, I definitely agree, And you know, I will also
say that as far as women go, I think that
it is a masculine and feminine thing. I think that women,
especially Black women, have become much more masculine, and for
good reason. We know there's a lot of single moms
or the most single mom race in the nation.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
And I think that men crazy.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
About a lot of black women become masculine.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
But it's give this disclaimer because masculinity is not gender based,
it's energy based. We all have both.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
Okay, masculine man still has ten to twenty percent femininity.
The most feminine woman still has ten to twenty percent masculinity.
A really great book if you guys want to do
your research, is The Way of the Superior Man By Data.
He really dives into how masculinity and femininity work.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
And because now a lot of.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
These super successful single mothers are out here. A lot
of times, I can't teach a man how to be
a man.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
I'm a woman.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
A woman cannot teach certain things because I haven't had
that experience, just like I can't teach a white person
how to be black. It's an experience thing. You have
to go through it in order to understand it. And
so inside of that, I feel like men are becoming
much more feminine. Well, what lacks inside of higher levels
of femininity, To be honest, it's leadership. How are we

(36:52):
supposed to follow a lead that a man doesn't have?
And so I do think that a lot of men
are feeling emasculated. I do feel like a lot of
men are feeling like, Oh, she thinks she's she's too tough.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Now, she thinks she could do better than us. Look
at her. She thinks all we want is money.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
Because the truth is that man who was raised by
a woman kind of acting like a woman, wants the
leadership that he hasn't qualified qualified for yet.

Speaker 7 (37:15):
I want to roll a video that Jody picked for
us that sort of shifts the conversation a little bit
because we agree.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
I think that black men in.

Speaker 7 (37:25):
This country are under attack, but black women are not
the problem.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Roll a clip.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
But I'm like, he always.

Speaker 14 (37:33):
Takes the woman's side, and listen, he's a man, he says,
he's a transmit. He's gonna take it soud anymore because
it's a woman you take that. And I'm just like, Mark,
we are black men of being attacked, and you are
one of the biggest voices out here. And what I'm
saying is that if you don't give a voice.

Speaker 15 (37:47):
Or reason, the black man under attack. Trope and these
conversations specifically is fascinating to me, in part because black
men have a tendency to do something that I see
white women do all the time, which is they get
so hung up on their oppression that they forget their
privilege because the reality is, as black men, yes, we

(38:08):
are under attack, and our predator is not black women.
The predator is white folks as a whole, white society,
and so when we are under attack, it is by
white society, but within blackness, black women are also under
that same attack and then have to experience the intraracial

(38:28):
oppression that black men put on them. You know, black
women are experiencing racism just as we are, and then
experiencing sexism on top of that, which is something that
we as black men are perpetuating onto them as well
as White society as a whole.

Speaker 7 (38:47):
To be here, I love that comment. I love that
brother's work on TikTok. You know, part of the thing
we haven't talked about in this conversation is the times
that men can be violent toward women. And I'm not
just talking about the physical violence, which is obviously horrible,
but the sort of emotional violence that we can sometimes
visit on women, which I think comes from misogyny. I
think comes from in some men a.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
An anger toward Mom. That can't be.

Speaker 7 (39:14):
Expressed toward Mom because she is a queen and a saint,
So then you're taking it out on your girl or
the girl you're dating right now. There's other ways that
we are expressing hatred and disdain for women. I think
sometimes we experience racism in the world and can't do
can't put it anywhere, and put.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
It on our women.

Speaker 7 (39:34):
And I think there's a lot of ways that we
are putting our pain and stress from the world on
our women. Dmitri and I think that's part of what's
relating to what I'm talking about with us hating them.

Speaker 8 (39:46):
No, it's a fact, it's not even it's not even
close to not being true. It's a it's a so
solidified fact, the idea that a lot of times what
we harbor inside we hate about ourselves. We got to
make somebody feel worse than we do, and that's usually
the person you lay next to every night. But what
I've learned with my friends and x y Z, I
don't have any friends who put their hands on a

(40:07):
woman at all. What I've seen in just in general
from being black and in the hood. Oftentimes the men
who grow up to hit their women, they dad hit,
they mumble, and it continued and then continue and continue
until this became just a degrading act that just men
hold against women. And to be quite honest with you,

(40:27):
like I'll give you an example. I had a friend,
an old friend of mine. He would just lash out,
he would drink, he would hit, and this is every
single thing his father did to his mother, that.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Hate about his dad. And that's what the.

Speaker 8 (40:41):
Ironic part about it was to me, you hated this
man for these exact things, but you can't see it
in yourself. And I think that's the problem. What's going
on men? I can't I can't even say they want
to be better. I just think women have a lot
harder than with you, and men don't see that.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
And I want to say innocent. An emotional man tied
to high tesosterone equals a dangerous, violent man. When a
man grows up with only a woman in the household,
he learns how to process his emotions like a woman.
There's no man there to teach him how a man
processes his emotions. So you're talking about men being violent

(41:19):
in relationships, Well, men, y'all are full of tesosterone. Okay,
that's a natural hormone for y'all. You get into relationship
with a woman and things get hot and spicy and
emotions are flying, and you have two people who are
processing their emotions like women, meaning at a high peaked
emotional level. One is a woman who learned how to
process them like a woman. One's a man who doesn't

(41:41):
even realize I'm being emotional like a woman, tied to
my tesosterone that is now inflaming me to be enrage.
That man doesn't know how to not regulate. At that point,
regulation doesn't become a problem. Hold on, regulation is not
a problem. It's his baseline for processing and understanding his
emotions come from a feminine place. And that poor baby,

(42:03):
that man doesn't even realize he's been doing this all
his life.

Speaker 7 (42:09):
Is the lack of emotional intelligence in black man part
of why, or explain.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Why we hate black women.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah, you cannot have I'll let you second.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
You cannot even hold a black man accountable for emotional
intelligence if he doesn't even understand that he is processing
his emotions like a woman. And when I say woman,
not talking about calling him names feminine are solf I'm
saying he only learned that when I get upset, it
looks like this when I get upset, it looks like this.
Because his mother was a woman who was emotional and

(42:43):
expressed her way herself in this way, he never got
to see a man say, you know, this is how you.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Do with son.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
You can you can identify your emotions, this is how
you feel, This is how you problem solve as a man.
This is why the men who are in prison, the
men who are prison, they have literally done study showing
their emotional ability of having cordisone levels at a higher
level than the men who make different and better decisions.
Emotions into sorceral create rage and then a man it

(43:11):
looks different than it does on a woman.

Speaker 7 (43:13):
To me, tri do you think that black men are
jealous of sisters.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
In some way?

Speaker 4 (43:20):
I absolutely do.

Speaker 8 (43:21):
I feel like I feel like a lot of black men,
not just not just a couple. I've seen friends of
mine be jealous of black women just for being black women.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
I think the thing about it is it's a it's
like a fragile masculinity that they have.

Speaker 8 (43:40):
A passionate powerful woman is going to act and break
break that masculinity of yours, and men hate that. You know,
men absolutely hate that. It's the fact that you being
so solidified in who you are as a person shakes
me to my core because I'm not.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
I don't feel as strong as you think I do.
I'm not in your breeding that in me and.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Bringing that out of me.

Speaker 8 (44:04):
It's a it's a it's like there's own room for
one of us mentality, and I feel like most men
are living in that space. They're they're like like doctor
Bru to her point, men learn to lash out and
the only way we can insert dominance or masculinity is
through physical acts for detraining you and calling you out

(44:26):
your name. A lot of times women hold the value
in these relationships, and I'm not just leaving in relationships
household in general what happens as a man. In order
to make myself feel uh, in order to make my
fel self feel superior, I have to make her feel inferior.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Yes, yes, yes, the.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Chat is on fire right now. They are like.

Speaker 7 (44:52):
The masculinity, it's about superiority. You gotta feel superior to
someone other men and especially women, Sarah, I feel like and.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
It really goes back to wire.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
Men jealous right, because I feel like a lot of
men say they want an ambitious woman.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
They want a woman that's about something.

Speaker 5 (45:08):
Yeah, they want her until it makes them look bad,
because this is a mirror of all the places that
you may not be as ambitious, or you may not
be as successful, and then you feel like your life
is more dangerous because you're a man and we are
women or whatever that may look like. And so really
and truly it comes down to men are acting more
like women, especially black women or black men. Why because

(45:30):
they're raised by black women. By themselves, they're not seeing
the example of what it looks like to be a man.
They're not seeing the example of what true masculinity looks like,
what true leadership looks like. Who are even the ogs?
Now the ogs are going to prison, they're on trail
for beating girls ass down the hallway.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
So now it's like, who do you.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
Even look up to in this day and age. Back
in the day, you had the Nipsey Hustles, you.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Had the Geniu ice cube.

Speaker 5 (45:58):
Yeah, you had so many of the different people that
now it's like who who even have to look At interesting.

Speaker 7 (46:05):
Point, actor Damns and Idris called out black men recently.
He's in a big new film with Brad Pitty, said,
I see so much unprovoked hatred coward black women today
from grown black men. He said, the compulsion to humble
these women perhaps makes.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
You feel like more of a man. That's a superiority thing.

Speaker 7 (46:26):
We were talking about a second ago, Dee, I promised you.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
You aren't men to us. A new year is approaching.
Grow up. This reminds me.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Come on, come on, what is he? This man is fine?

Speaker 7 (46:41):
That revised me of a moment that broke the internet
a few years ago.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
No, shout up to those in the chat.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
It is going on fire right now, y'all.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
Let us know, like, do you guys feel like black
men hate black women?

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Is this is this real? Or are we all a
little bit of delusional?

Speaker 2 (47:04):
And have you watched the sex scene with this man
in it with Chloe Babe?

Speaker 1 (47:12):
That libido? That libido was up there baby wos.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
I'm back, yo, I know, to.

Speaker 16 (47:16):
Make sure there is I love you guys, yo, you
guys are listening, and I love you guys so much,
but this we're like talking about something serious. So I'm like,
I don't want to talk about shows or like.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
Being you know, like artists up.

Speaker 16 (47:28):
Why I don't know which black people are in here,
But I want you.

Speaker 15 (47:31):
Guys to talk up right now.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Why why do we.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
Hear?

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Why? Why are we being so mean to jeles? Why
are we being so mean to white people right now?
As a serious.

Speaker 16 (47:47):
Question, why is it that we're allowed to be disrespectful
and rude to everybody else? And when anybody returns any
type of energy was that's not That's not a quality.
I don't want to be treated like I can't take
a joke.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
I just went through.

Speaker 16 (48:06):
That, that the fucking Chappelle shit, and I had to,
like in the moment, acknowledge that I was being fucking sensitive,
you know what I'm saying, and that I need to
be able to take a joke just like everybody else.

Speaker 7 (48:18):
Demitria and I need a little context here because.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Apparently white people are the real victims and black people
can't take a joke. That's the problem. I don't need
any black person telling me, don't be me to white people.
Shut your mouth.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
But he's also from Canada.

Speaker 7 (48:31):
I told you, give me a little more context of
what is going on here.

Speaker 8 (48:38):
I think the idea of it is, uh, you have
a a very how do I put it without offending him?

Speaker 4 (48:46):
In general?

Speaker 8 (48:48):
You have a very misinformed man. In my opinion, you
have a very place. He's placed in the middle. When
I look at Daniel Ceesar, I'll see somebody who doesn't
quite understand the perspective.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
Either me or you may have grown up with either
black man or black women may have grown up, but
I see somebody very misinformed.

Speaker 8 (49:05):
Yeah, like he should be the last person having this conversation,
especially after the stint he talking about.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
But I don't think he can speak for the masses.
I just don't see that.

Speaker 7 (49:17):
So wait, there's an idea that is popping up because
you know, as we're saying a lot of sisters are saying,
we feel the brothers don't like us, or hate us,
or are just not serving us properly, not giving us
that princess treatment we deserve.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
What do you do?

Speaker 7 (49:33):
Some people said, maybe we should move on to something else,
like white man or Asian bed or gay man. Wait,
what if you're struggling to be valued by straight men,
maybe consider a lavender marriage.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
What's that show him?

Speaker 10 (49:50):
Jody Amen and a lesbian get married. Lavender marriages unions
between individuals of different sexual orientations have long been away
for LGBTQ plus people to navigate the pressures of a
heteronormative society. These marriages allowed queer people to play straight,
especially in eras less accepting of diverse sexualities, which were

(50:11):
quite common amongst gay actors in Hollywood Elsewhere. The concept
of lavender marriages evolving too. Some individuals are entering mixed
orientation marriages not out of necessity, but as a conscious choice,
prioritizing deep platonic connections over traditional romantic partnerships. Lavender marriages
past and present show how LGBTQ plus people have balanced

(50:33):
societal expectations with personal authenticity.

Speaker 7 (50:37):
Sarah, what do you think about the idea of sisters
being like, it's not really working out with the guys,
the straight guys. Maybe I should have a loving relationship
with a gay man who will treat me like a
princess and not pressure me in the bedtime.

Speaker 5 (50:55):
I feel like people are just doing whatever they want
these days. They are just creating whatever they want to create,
because that, to me, is not a marriage.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
I feel like the thing that makes marriage a marriage
is god right.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
The contract was created realistically in the United States, have
got serious in nineteen twenty nine to stop the black
man from marrying a white woman.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
That's when a marriage certificate came into play.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
Why not just have a partnership agreement or some kind
of business agreement in place, because that's really a platonic friendship.
Why not just be friends have a business why get
I feel like that is a mockery of marriage, To
be completely honest, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna put
that out there.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
And I also feel like, like like some people are married,
but they'll never experience what it is to be husband
or wife. That's my opinion.

Speaker 12 (51:44):
I mean, I think that people should do whatever brings
them happiness.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
I see a lot of.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
People who are married the right way and they're miserable
as fuck. And I see a lot of people who
are married in the way that's supposed to be, you know,
either and I believe in God, saying under God, but
no marriage certificate and they're happy. I see a lot
of people who are. So My thing is create what
works for you. The part that concerns me a little

(52:11):
bit doesn't bother me because I want people happy. Concerns
me with the lavender piece is that it gives me
more confused or identity crisis. And I'm not saying that
they don't believe in love because I am a person
that believes that love is love.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Because I believe love is love. I just think that. Listen.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
I can hang out with Dimitri for months and just
fall in love with him as a person, right, I
can love Sarah as my friend. But my point is
when it comes to saying that a person is gay
and I'm straight and we're gonna fall in love and
be together, it kind of goes against If you're gay

(52:47):
and you are a man, that means that by definition.
We know this may be everyone's different parts, but by
definition of gay and a man, you don't like me
as a woman. If I am a heterosexual woman, I'm
supposed to not like you as a man because you're gay.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Right, So how do we.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
End up together in a way where we actually really
want to be together and we're not just being married
for the sake of marriage, but we're being married for
the sake of companionship.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
And we want to be together.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Well, let's address that question.

Speaker 7 (53:17):
We got a video that will speak to what is
the attraction to lavender marriages?

Speaker 4 (53:22):
Jody.

Speaker 9 (53:22):
Let's see that always give a girl princess treatment unlike
a straight man. So, ladies, if you really want princess treatment,
it's time for you to consider having a lavender wedding
because a queer man is always going to protect you
more than a straight man would. That's just how it is.
We hold women closer to our hearts because I believe

(53:42):
that gay men quomen are more in touch with masculine
and feminine energy on an equal level, which is why
we understand both sexes feelings and we respect people more.
If you're a girl and you decide to date a
gay man, you're never going to feel like you don't
know where you stand with him. He's always going to
be honest with you, and obviously you've laid up the
boundaries before you've even chosen to get together. By being

(54:05):
dead serious when I say that women and gay men
should start dating, because at the end of the day,
we're just wasting our time here with other men who
we try and date because they are not equipped with
the tools.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
We don't know we're with them.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Because as a straight woman marrying a gay man, do
I have to also be concerned about other men and women?

Speaker 1 (54:27):
To this world just becomes you.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Guys are gonna have to you.

Speaker 7 (54:30):
Guys are gonna work at those boundaries. The way that
he assuming that his pronoun explains that was really beautiful
and makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
You will.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
Why are you saying that, okay, o, king, King, let
him have it. I cannot let him have it. There's
there's very very masculine man, very men who.

Speaker 8 (54:56):
Know how to be men who were late, emotionally, mentally,
all of that to a woman, and you cannot say,
behold them closer to our No, it's not true. You
may share, you may share some activities. Y'all may go
do the same shit, y'all have fun doing it. That
don't mean you hold them closer to your heart.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
That's bullshit. The thing about it is, I feel like, honestly, women.

Speaker 8 (55:14):
Are moving towards it because they're not getting the loyalty
and they're not they're not giving.

Speaker 7 (55:21):
But he's talking about as far as being able to
value womanness and femininity. He clearly values those things way
more than we do, and so he's going to treasure
her that a lot of.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Straight men can't do or won't do.

Speaker 7 (55:36):
The sisters are saying, the brothers don't like us. The
segment was like, do we hate them? The gay men
are like, not only do we like you, we want
to be like you.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Again.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
This is an attack. Fuck it, this is an attack
again on our straight black men.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Let me tell you why, Because he's saying, as a gay.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Man, regardless of his race or creed, okay, I can
love you better than a man. Then you got a
black woman who posts this, who's saying, listen, I'm gonna
go ahead and confirm that gay men can love me
better than obviously the men black men that she's dating.
This is what This is what happens when they're trying
to push an agenda.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Love who you want, be gay, l.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Nobody's pushing an agenda.

Speaker 7 (56:23):
There is a group of men who value are you.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
But you're right, You're right.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
You know you should have a loving conversation.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
You're right because you know what, all of my life
I loved my gay boys. I don't care.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Let me tell you I have gay friends. I grew
up with were boys in high school. And now Chris
is vanity. She she is vanity now. And what I'm
saying is, you're right. My gay boys love the shadow me.
They pumped me up, they gassed me up. But guess
what that is a friendship within our relationship, become married,

(56:59):
or be in a relationship where we're romantic just because
they do that.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
And let me say this, it doesn't have.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
To be an attack against you know, men in general,
but especially black men like Dmitri, who's like, wait a minute, I.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Also hold a woman close to my heart.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Doesn't I don't have to be not respect a love
woman because I'm not a gay man.

Speaker 7 (57:18):
Nobody is saying Dmitri can't get you know the pie.
Sarah's over here talking to four women and four men
at a time. Some of the men are going to
have to say, hey, I can actually love you to
where you won't want to talk to four straight men
because I understand you, girl. Man, the gay man is

(57:41):
going to be in her world of womanness in a
way that a straight man can't and won't.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
And I could see how he could love her in
every way but physical that would They are straight.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Love is not gay? Are straight? Love is love?

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Why you get when you get when you when you actually.

Speaker 8 (58:04):
See a man who loves a woman, there is nothing
he will not learn.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
I mean this wholeheartedly.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
I was taking hair down and you love, you said love.

Speaker 8 (58:14):
Whatever the case, I'm not willing to relate to my
woman what she needs, I will do. It is not
about whether you gay as straight, baby, you want my father.
My parents have actively been married for over thirty years.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
My mother is one of my mother's favorite hobbies and
she like going.

Speaker 8 (58:31):
To see the male dancers at the at the you know,
she's the dog her.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Hey, listen, I'm dad.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Find that guy my dad goes, he goes. Your dad
is wonderful, But that is wonderful.

Speaker 7 (58:45):
There's a lot like your dad or somebody like Shy's dad.
My my dad was a fantastic My parents were married
for forty some years until he died, right, I mean
like a fantastic like Sarah didn't fight in front of us, right,
like like amazing. But not everybody has that, Sarah. If

(59:06):
you don't have the opportunity to have somebody like your dad,
her dad, my dad, his dad, why wouldn't you choose
somebody who's gay, who will love you in every other way.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
That is not a marriage.

Speaker 5 (59:18):
That is a friendship the one you In order for
a marriage to be valid, you have to consummate the marriage.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
You don't have a marriage.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Question question question question questions.

Speaker 7 (59:27):
If a straight couple hold on, if a straight couple
stops sleeping with each other and there's.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Sleeping with each other. Is that marriage marriage?

Speaker 5 (59:35):
Yes, because it's already been consummated. What this is telling
me that is that women are we are tired, we
are overwhelmed, and we are overstimulated. And a lot of
the good women, and y'all let me know if you
can agree in the comments, A lot of the good
women are at home in their houses, barely even going
out anymore because of this kind of thing right here.

(59:56):
What would make you think for one second that I'm
gonna marry a man that would never be physically attracted
to me, that could never give me the reassurance in
that womanness that I need, that never wants to touch
on my body. There is no way on God's green
earth that it makes any sense. Create a partnership agreement. Okay,
do an escort to get for what would mean.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Your beneficiary, Torraye, But do.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Not literally, Sarah.

Speaker 7 (01:00:25):
One thing this is happening, and this is working for
some people. Like it's not gonna work for you, don't
want you for, It's never gonna work for doctor b Mine. No,
there are people like Star Jones who's like works for
me for a period of time, like if it's working
for you or just past.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
That age where we have to front a relationship. If
you want to be outside with two women and two men,
do it, be happy?

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
What are wants? That's not somebody marriage, John Regina George.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
It started with Phyllis Gates and in Rock's right, these
are the things that it started with. And now that
was because it was looked down upon for you to
have the same sex marriage. This is twenty twenty five.

Speaker 10 (01:01:09):
Men.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Men are saying they're women women.

Speaker 7 (01:01:11):
That's not the problem that this gay man are not
saying they don't want to get married to men. They're saying,
I have a great relationship friendship with this woman.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
God Dmitri.

Speaker 8 (01:01:20):
I want to make this very clear. I'm not sitting
here arguing who you married to. If men want to
marry a woman and you gay and they not, you
do you right? My problem is you're generalizing on the
internet saying I can love you better than a straight
man can.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
That is not true and tore you hate generalizations, So
please don't sit here and act like this is a
valid one.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
No no, no, no no no no no no no.

Speaker 7 (01:01:44):
I'm talking about when you have a large group of
people who do not choose whether or not they are
in that group.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
That's different than that. I promise you that.

Speaker 7 (01:01:54):
Gay man will make that woman feel more love, seed, heard,
and appreciated than we can because he's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
You can't promise that. That's so subjective. You know, you
don't know what that man can't do. You cannot That
is so subjective.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
And that's also still you are joining the attack against
men parade.

Speaker 17 (01:02:20):
Look, I mean, you know, brothers have a lot of
opportunities to marry sisters, and a lot of brothers are
not taking those opportunities. So there's no attack on bed,
no attack on you. This is I could do this
for another hour. You guys want to go another hour.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
A new topic, with a new topic, because I'm not
lavender pinkin turquoise.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
I feel you, Doc, I feel you, Doc.

Speaker 7 (01:02:45):
But I do love the conversation and I do love
defeating all for you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
In a debate and like, but it's just it's just fun.
It's fun. This conversation was really really good. I love you, guys.
I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
I want them to. The comments are on fire, y'all,
hit the comments. I want to know who was in
the lavender. Who was in the lavender? That's what I
want to who is in the lavender? I want to
know about this. I want to hear about it and
listen doctor squad. Drop that Doc squad in there. Let
them know you listening. Put that Put that doc with
your opinion against Terrey, who was just on this uh you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Know, fight against men.

Speaker 8 (01:03:21):
Perey, y'all get him in the comments section. I'm hoping
for marriage if y'all want to just come on over here.

Speaker 7 (01:03:30):
We as men, how to do better in the way
that we treat Listen to respect, talk, to show up.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
For our women.

Speaker 7 (01:03:41):
And a lot of our gay brothers are doing that
work as friends and some of them as husbands. And
I understand that's controversial for you three, but we know
they are showing up as great friends for some of
our wives and sisters, and we could be better on
that level.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
We want anyone who's in the lavender relationship or in
that lavender world drop us your Instagram handles so that
we can send you with them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
We want you on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
We want to hear more about your lavender relationships. And
because obviously Doc, I'm ignorant to it, So let me know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
I got questions.

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