Torey Lanez_ Candace Owens Gives Weinstein Grace_ Weaponizing Social Media

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I'm super excited to be here, and just like doctor
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So let's go Truth Talks.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
And the smartest young brother I know, Dmitri Wiley. What's
really good?

Speaker 9 (03:12):
D I am blessed by God and flattered. Thank you,
Thank you for such a compliment.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
You know, b'm torre have been in the game since
Dmitri was a baby. But we're not gonna hold that
against him. Let's get into it. Story number one, The
Trial of the Century continues. We are in week three.
Diddy is fighting for his life against racketeering charges, sex
trafficking charges. This is a wild case. I don't want
to get into the minutia of it because that is everywhere,

(03:40):
but this conversation is huge in our community. I think
we are deeply divided in a way we haven't seen
in a long time. Like when it was Bill Cosby,
I think a lot of us were like, it's clear
he's guilty. But on this one, I get into arguments
in the street and online constantly. Women are divided on
what Cassie should or shouldn't have done. Men are not

(04:00):
sure what's going on. Doctor b What do you think
about what's going on with this trial and why we
are not divided as a community about it.

Speaker 8 (04:08):
Yeah, to I think that there's division because there's two
different divisions. I think there's some folks who think that,
you know, hey, Cassie wanted this, she was in it
for the money, she was in it to see Hey,
what can I get? Can I get an album, a
record deal, a TV show? This is the industry. I'm
a young girl. I want to pretty much pay to play.
And then there's a second group of people who are like, listen, no,
this woman really fell in love. She was taking advantage

(04:28):
of She's a victim. She's experiencing Stockholm syndrome, and so
she has which stock concision. Just for everybody at home
doesn't know, Solcolm syndrome is that you know, when a
victim falls in love with their abuser, and they tend
to use it as a defense mechanism to say, hey,
this person loves me. This is normal, it's okay, and
they use it as a way to be able to
still survive in that situation. But I want to say

(04:50):
this Terreno wrap up. I believe that it can be
a mix of both. I think two things can be
true at once. I think that she could have won
into it and said, hey, look I do want to
record deal, so I do want to become a big star.
I want to be famous, and then begin sleeping with
this man. Fell in love with this man. Before you
knew it. She was in over her head and now
she's getting her asked, well, and now she's getting abused,

(05:11):
and at that point, how do I pull out? So
I think two can exist. I don't think the community
has to be so divided on that.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
I don't think she really saw any way to get out.
She told one of his personal assistants, I can't get out,
and she has this ten album deal. So she's trapped
in this paper prison. He controls her money, he controls
her housing. And yet we still have questions about why
she didn't leave, Sarah. Why are we still asking questions
about why she didn't leave?

Speaker 5 (05:37):
You know, I I'm definitely one of those people that
feel like she absolutely should have left because for me,
when I was before I moved to America, the first
time I was engaged, I was almost paralyzed by my
first ex fiance. A lot to get into. That's not
the point today today. The point is that I left
and at the time, we were that couple in the city,

(05:58):
you know, we were dream team in the city. And
so for me to walk away from that knowing that
people were gonna talk, being afraid of failure, being afraid
that people are gonna say, oh, you're never gonna get married,
all those doubts and fears that come into our minds,
or or you know, even abuth that comes into the package.
Sometimes we think that that's what we deserve. I honestly
feel like most Black women are separated on this topic

(06:21):
because so many Black women have dealt with with the
same amount for much less. Because the truth of it is,
when she walked into this relationship, she was enamored with
She may have loved him, but she was enabored with
his success, with his status, with his money, with his network,
with his opportunities, and she stuck in long enough where
he was able to take that full control. She didn't

(06:43):
want to walk away until she did, and by that
time it got a little bit crazy, it got a
little bit real. It's no doubt that Diddy as a predator. However,
I really think she had a choice to leave way.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
At some point on this journey of this show. I
do want to hear more about your story. I want
to stay focused on Diddy right now, but like your deep,
real personal story that a lot of women have been
through can be valuable for others. So I do you
want to hear that, even though right now we're gonna
stay on the idea of Diddy, But just this one.

Speaker 8 (07:16):
I want to toy when you get a chance.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Okay, but one question, Sarah, you left a difficult situation,
But in that experience, did you do you not see
how difficult it is to leave when you are in
that You were successful at doing that, but that's it's hard,
and can you not see how some other women would
have a harder time at it than you had?

Speaker 5 (07:40):
Of course it's hard, but anything great is hard. And
I feel like it's such a cop out to be honest.
I'm just going to keep it real. I know people
like there are real traumas that happen. There are real
psychological traumas that are so deeply embedded inside of who
we are that sometimes we move and operate from that space.
But the truth is we're choosing to believe that that's true.

(08:00):
There are helplines that you can go to, There are
websites or there are places that you can go to.
There are ways to actually get help. If you're not
the person that comes from a family that's going to
support you, from a group of friends that's going to
support you. There are ways to get out of it.
But the truth is you have to get out of
your own way and tell yourself that you are worth
it enough, love yourself enough, you're worthy enough to get

(08:22):
out of that space.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Doctor B.

Speaker 8 (08:25):
You know, Sarah, first of all, sorry that that happened
to you. That is horrible, seriously sorry, and kudos to
you for getting the help out of there.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Right.

Speaker 8 (08:33):
However, I have to say that leaving is deeper psychologically
than just calling a resource line. Just calling a hotline.
Some women don't have a place to go for some woman,
paying trauma, abuse, being preyed on has been all they
know when it comes to love, when it comes to
a man, and that has become their norm. And so

(08:54):
to say that a woman who can't leave is a
cop out, I feel is some bullshit and I think
it's very insensitive to say that about other women. You
were able to get out, Proud of you, But there's
a lot of women who have nowhere to go. Cassie
was living with her mother. Cassie, her kids, and her
husband are still residing with her mother, which means she
had no resources toa just said that Diddy had full

(09:16):
control over her money, full control of everything she was doing.
This man was leaving knives at this woman's door blowing
up people's cars, and so for her it may have been, Look,
if I leave, I will lose my life. Maybe me
staying is getting my ass beat. But at least if
I stay, I have a chance at living to at
some point plan exit strategy. So kudos to you, Sis,
really love you for leaving. But not every woman has

(09:38):
that opportunity to be able to exit an abusive relationship
like that. For some women it does mean their life
and they don't have the resources.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
So that last point is so important that when you
are trying to leave a domestic violence situation, you are
at your most vulnerable. That is the stage of the
relationship where women are most often hurt or killed. When
the abuser sees the person he's been abusing trying to
leave him, and he's losing his moment of power, he
will most like so she suffers, knowing like that could

(10:08):
be the demetri You haven't gotten in yet. What are
you thinking about all this?

Speaker 9 (10:13):
Let me in you know, I think the idea of
this topic alone, speaking on a divide is very Excuse
me because I've experienced domestic abuse family members.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
I've seen it, I've witnessed the firsthand as a kid.
It was in it. It's reality for a lot of people.

Speaker 9 (10:30):
But to take it back to this initial point, I
think the divide is happening because we are divided. We
cannot sit and understand the trauma that other people go through.
And what a lot of people don't understand trauma. There's
comfort in it after you've dealt with it too, bonde
to this trauma and you get connected to it, and

(10:50):
again it builds things like love, and it builds things
like admiration. In moments, it builds things like but that's
here nor there. The thing about it for me is
I think we forget how strategic of a man did
he is.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Let's just say.

Speaker 9 (11:05):
Everything in court is somewhat true and the rumors are
somewhat true. It does not negate the fact of what
she had to deal with to move on. I'm sorry
to young with it, but imagine a monopoly board. You
ever playing monopoly, and imagine a person you're playing against
owns every single house on the board. Every time you
wrote once you gotta pay rent. So the thing about
it is, if did he own.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
The there was nowhere for her to go. And I
think we have.

Speaker 9 (11:29):
To admit or accept the fact that it's not an
easy thing to do.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Sarah last word.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
Yeah, you know, I hear you, guys, and I can
definitely see your point of view. But I also believe
that it doesn't start there. It doesn't start with him
owning the entire monopoly board. There is a whole relationship
that happened before things start getting abusive, because I can
tell you as someone that has gotten through domestic abuse,
it doesn't start with you being almost paralyzed. There's that
first hit on the wall, there's the rays of your voice,

(11:58):
and so there are things and flags that are showing
way before it actually happens, as far as abuse to
your body. So I feel like I hear you, guys. However,
you've got to build into that space. Yes, there are
trauma bonds. These are real things, but it's a build up.
It's not automatic, which is why I think that she
needs to take accountability for that part.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
No, you're absolutely right, and I want to move on.
But she's in a professional situation with her boyfriend. He
controls her heart and he controls her bank account. So
it's an extraordinarily difficult situation. But we're going to continue
to argue about Diddy on this show, and as a community,
please let us know the comments what you think about
what we said and about Diddy and Cassie in general.

(12:41):
Segment two, Tory Lanez is back in the news because
Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna is fighting for him. Say there's
evidence that hasn't been considered. He should be pardoned. And
it's even more of an important moment for this because
he just got stabbed multiple times in prison. Obviously, anytime

(13:03):
you're in prison, your life is in danger. But he's
dealing with a very difficult situation. Let's listen to a
little audio from Tory.

Speaker 6 (13:20):
Tore you're in the total wrong story.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
What how am I? I? How many we did? How
am This is weaponizing? This is weaponizing?

Speaker 8 (13:30):
Oh is Tori next or Candasller know this.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Was this was weaponizing.

Speaker 7 (13:35):
There's two there's two topics to the first segment. Yeah,
this is Diddy and Canvas, and then you go to politicking,
which is Torri. There's got it, So there's always another
another entertainment topic after after.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Oh oh oh, I saw the graphic.

Speaker 6 (13:51):
I I.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Okay, I'm also put it.

Speaker 7 (13:56):
You're gonna you have to see the chat box because
I put it in there, moving on to canvas.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
So you gotta find out that.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
We're gonna we're gonna work on all that.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
But okay, no, I see the mistake I made. Okay,
we're all right, Uh, okay.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
I can we we're gonna do is.

Speaker 7 (14:09):
We're gonna go take a step back, Jack, if you
can hear me, make some edit notes.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
We need to edit this whole section out, please.

Speaker 6 (14:16):
Okay, So we're gonna go.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Back, wrap up. I didn't want to stop because you
said keep going. I saw the graphic was different than
what I was saying, but so I didn't. I didn't
want to. I didn't want to stop, but like I
understand the mistake I made. So that's no worse, no worse.

Speaker 6 (14:30):
That's why we're pre taping this week.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Okay, yeah, go.

Speaker 7 (14:36):
Back to Diddy. Sarah, give us your last word, and
then we'll go from there. Okay, okay, hold on, let
me just cue us up. Count to ten seconds when
you see the screen change, okay.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Tore, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then cue yourself in. Okay,
Sarah last word.

Speaker 6 (14:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
You know, I don't agree with what you guys are saying.
There's no doubt that there is a psychological trauma bond
that happens, especially for victims. However, it just doesn't start there.
And for us to act like you get into a
relationship and just get punched in the face day one,
it's just not realistic. I mean, really and truly, there
are flags that lead up to these things. It starts
with the voice raising, it starts with the grabs. Maybe

(15:21):
you hit the walls. There are so many different things
that hit around you before you actually get hit. And
so now I feel like it's come to a boiling
point where she's tired of what she didn't get. But
you know, at the end of the day, she saw
the signs of what she was walking into.

Speaker 10 (15:36):
All right.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Next segment, Harvey Weinstein interviewing with Candace Owens from prison
as he's trying to get a retrial on one of
his charges. He said to Candace, women should be heard,
but I'm wrongfully convicted. Okay, why is Harvey? Why is
he talking to Candace? And also why is is talking

(15:59):
to Harvey? Doctor b what do you think?

Speaker 8 (16:02):
So this is the thing, right from some of my
relationships and some things I've heard, is that the interview
is intended to help Weinstein in his upcoming court proceedings.
You know, he's going to fight these charges, and so
having this interview with Cannis, because Cannis believes allegedly that
he's an innocent man, that they're going to be using

(16:24):
this as helping him fight this case. You know, do
I think it's a good idea from his attorney And
I don't know, But I mean, at the same time,
you're talking about a man who's in jail for how
many years anything At this point he should be trying
to work to help his ask get off of these cases.
I don't think it's going to help. I mean, abuse, abuse,

(16:45):
What he's done is what he's done, and so whatever.
I just was told that, hey, look, the interview with
Cannis is because she's getting the biggest engagement, she has
everyone's ear, and this is supposed to help him really
fight and beat this case and decipate some of this
time that he's doing.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
You can't fight your trial from outside of the courthouse.
You've got to do it in the court of law.
You can't do interviews and help your you know, that's
not how you get out of jail. But like I'm
also a little confused because Candice owns this project is
anti blackness. This has nothing to do with that. What

(17:20):
are we doing here?

Speaker 9 (17:22):
You know the thing about fighting outside the courtroom, I
just think it tells you the gravity of how much
social media and public perception.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Plays two trials and plays into the courtroom.

Speaker 9 (17:33):
That's one idea behind it, but the whole anti blackness.
I absolutely agree with you. Out of all the people
you could interview, this is who you choose. This is
who you choose. But I think that's the idea of
trying to be grabbing and different and anti black.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
I'm so glad you mentioned it.

Speaker 6 (17:54):
Sarah go Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
I know, I'm going to be the villain on the show.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Okay, boy, here we go.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
It is always looking for is what is true? And
the truth is two things can be true at once.
When I actually saw pieces of this interview that she
was interviewing after the Weinstein interview, she was talking about
facts and she was saying, how there were women inside
of this case. Where were the women that were actually
molested or touched or those types not molested sexually assaulted?

(18:22):
Where were they inside of the courtrooms? They weren't there.
And then they asked because I guess Harvey Weinstein allegedly
has as a physical thing that happened to him. And
because he had this physical thing, there's something very specific
about his man parts. And when they asked the women,
what are the man parts? You know what's different about it?
The women that allegedly were sexually assaulted by him could

(18:44):
not answer the question. And you can't miss it because
he had gang green in the nineties and so had
some things cut off. So I say that to say
that you know, whether he is a douchebag, a terrible
person of predator, a manipulator, there's no doubt about that.
But is he a criminal? Was it sexual assault?

Speaker 10 (19:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (19:03):
There's still more to here. I'm not saying I'm a
Candeth Owens fan, but I am saying I believe in
the truth.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
I mean, Sarah what, there's so many people who have
laid out So I mean, like, are we really saying
they're all We're talking what fifty women something like that?
Sometimes some of them surred saying they're all lying.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
I don't think. I know, I don't think everyone is lying.
I just think there are some people that might be lying,
and there are some people that might be you know,
playing victim Lewis situation that they may not have been in.
Now that.

Speaker 6 (19:39):
I just don't have to say this because I.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
Do think I know for I know that that man
is a predator, and I know that he was, you know,
while he was married, he was sleeping with everything, like
anybody in the industry knows that. However, did it happen
to all of those women?

Speaker 6 (19:54):
I don't know, Doc, But this is the thing.

Speaker 8 (19:57):
If he's a predator, Okay, that's already saying he is
a criminal. If there's some woman saying that he did
and it is right that he did to them, and
some women are lying about it, it doesn't matter. All
it takes is one woman for a man to violate,
for a man to abuse, and it makes you an
abused sir. It doesn't matter how many. This is the thing.

(20:17):
We got to stop needing abuse to fit a certain ideology,
to fit a certain look, to fit a certain number.
Abuse is f an abuse, and I'm so tired of
people needing it to look the way their abuse looks,
to look the way they need it to look, or
the look the way TV, our social media shows us.
If a woman says no, it's fucking no. And if

(20:37):
she goes to court and it's proven that you raped her,
you touched her, you violate.

Speaker 6 (20:41):
Her, guess what, you are a criminal.

Speaker 8 (20:43):
And women need to stop not sticking up for women
and leaning on the side of men just because maybe
some wom in like and maybe something didn't. But if
that one maybe is a yes and it's true, then
that guy is a criminal.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Period. And it leads into our next segment about Tory Lanez,
who is another person who's in prison and a lot
of people are talking about why as he shouldn't be there.
We have a little audio from Tory because there's a
lot of noise, people try to say maybe he should
get out. We got a congress woman Annapoline, a Luna

(21:20):
who's fighting for him saying, hey, there's evidence. There's a
new witness who say he heard somebody else say that
she actually was the shooter. Where a lot of court
of public opinion testifying nothing happening in the courtroom. Yet
let's listen to Tory though.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
The rated for almost half a year over a gun
that the DA's line and said I shot DA Kathy
talking Dmitri manipulated my DNA results and lied to the world,
the media, and most importantly, my jury by stating my
DNA on the gun was inconclusive. That was an absolute line.
Not only did our expert find my DNA one hundred

(21:58):
percent excluded in not existed on the cut. But what's
worse with the infallid and illegal tactics the prosecution shows
to attain the results used.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
To convict me.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
This is the Toney's Cappy TA and Alex Spotts lied
to my jury with false, incorrect, and incomplete DNA results,
violating my due process and my Fourteenth Amendment rights.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
D You could go through the jailhouse and every single
cell the guy would tell you all the things that
were wrongeding his trial. But what do you think about
this situation?

Speaker 4 (22:29):
Hold jail innocent, everybody innocent? No, here's this is this
is my ideal. The idea that you're.

Speaker 9 (22:37):
Saying all of this now tells a lie. The fact
that it took you to get down fourteen times as
a black man. If I'm a rapper, I'm not obliging
by public perception. And what I mean by that is
the whole notion. Snitches get stitches or it's wrong.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
You know what else? What else snitches do?

Speaker 9 (22:55):
Snitches at Homeland and they're comfortable ass bear with them kids,
But no, you sitting the goddamn jail sale because you
ain't want to testify keeping evidence that you knew could
have kept you out of prison or a fight or
an argument. When it's my time in the courtroom, I'm
throwing everything. I'm throwing it all.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
I of course I appreciate that, and I want to
do a whole segment on snitching because it's an incredibly
important concept in our culture. I don't know that Tory
could have gotten on the stand and got him off,
gotten himself off, Like.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
I don't think he's in prison because he refused to
snitch on himself. I think he's he I mean, can
we accept the notion that he may actually have done
this thing? Sarah what he thinks.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
I'm with Dimitri on this one. I feel like I'm
telling first of all. Yeah, if I know that I'm innocent,
I'm absolutely telling everything. And you know, a lot of
people will say that he wanted to protect a black
woman and he wanted to take the reps for a
black woman, and that is so admirable that he did that.

(23:57):
And also he went to jail and got stabbed fourteen times. Okay,
So all I'm saying is is that is that why
shouldn't he snitch? Why do we have this culture? And
if we knew that he was innocent, why is it
that it took this in order for him to start
talking about it.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
I don't understand, doctor b The notion that he's probably
innocent or might be innocent is a funny one to me,
because we did a whole trial, We brought it all
the evidence. Everybody in the country who was able to
help Tory was invited to cob and talk and give
their give their testimony. And yet now we have even

(24:39):
a US congresswoman who is fighting for Tory. I'm not
even sure why she's in the conversation at all.

Speaker 8 (24:48):
Yeah, Tory, that was gonna be my thing, is h
How how do we get a politician involved in a
case that had nothing to do with politics. I do
want to say this though, because very sensitive to people's livelihood. Okay,
criminal are not. I do want to just kind of
put condolencens out there, not that he passed away, but

(25:09):
give out some type of heartfelt prayer to Tory Lanez
because he almost lost his life in jail, so it's
important to say listen, you know, prayers to the family,
prayers for his healing. However, to everyone's point, right is right,
Wrong is wrong. You don't go to court and take
on time put your life at risk if you know

(25:29):
that you did not do the crime. Time is for
people who do the crime.

Speaker 6 (25:34):
And so I also.

Speaker 8 (25:35):
Agree with you, though, Torrey. Do I think that if
if Tory would have stood up in court and said, hey, look,
I didn't do it, here's the evidence, you know, she
pulled the trigger, that it would have got him off.

Speaker 6 (25:46):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 8 (25:47):
I think that there was a no win situation for
this man.

Speaker 6 (25:50):
Now we all go no. I know one thing.

Speaker 8 (25:52):
They found four different evidence of four different fingerprints supposedly
on on.

Speaker 6 (25:56):
The gun, so we don't know who did it at
this point.

Speaker 8 (25:59):
But what I do know is if he didn't do
it and Megan is running this story all the way out,
that is a big problem. And I believe there's would
be some consequences on Megan if she is telling a
lie under oath about someone who did not create a crime.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
I you know, I think that the overall cultural lack
of trust for Meg in this situation is tied to misogyny,
and I'm not saying you're being misogynst Doctor B. A
lot of people are having the same questions you're having,
But I think there's for some people there's a difficulty
of like believing the black woman. For some I mean,

(26:35):
like she said she was shot, I believe her. Meg
is not that I.

Speaker 5 (26:39):
Believe she was shot Torrey.

Speaker 6 (26:41):
We don't know.

Speaker 8 (26:42):
Listen, I believe she was shot based on court proceedings.
They're saying Tory did it. Now they're saying there's four
different DNA that's on this gun. So technically, we who
don't know these people personally and weren't there on the
on the the time of the crime, have to be
able to depend on justice to do what justice is.

Speaker 6 (27:03):
Supposed to do. Tell us who did this crime.

Speaker 8 (27:06):
But what I am saying is, if Meghan was shot,
Tory needs to do his time. If this story is falsified,
then I believe there should be some consequence for Meghan.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
People should not be able to go.

Speaker 8 (27:18):
Around in line about crime, putting someone in prison, rest
in their life and then just say, well, you know what,
I just rode with it because I was upset. There
has to be consequences on both sides.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
To be tre you know, it's funny to me.

Speaker 9 (27:32):
I want to specifically speak on a politician part of it.
I think in politics there's a room for the people
sitting around saying how can we make impact. I think
when people run for presidency on there, they bring rappers out,
They bring the most influential people out who can garner
the attention of others.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
I think it was a room for the people who said, hey, you.

Speaker 9 (27:51):
Heard about this fingerprints thing with Tory Lane, Maybe we
could jump on that. Maybe that'll look good for us,
Maybe we can find us a good little fingerprint in
their simple man. I think that's exactly what's happening. But
I think it may be a little too late, because
right after trial it's entirely too No, that's.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
A fantastic point that clearly the politician sees some value
for her. No politician will ever do anything that is
not meant to benefit them, either with votes or with
campaign finance cash. So it'll be like we're always going
to see that. Hold on. I want to move on
to one of the big topics that we want to
deal with today, because social media is such an important

(28:33):
part of our community of our culture. This is a
central issue for us on this show, and in this culture,
there seems to be three, maybe three or four people
who control all the major social media platforms we use.
So you wonder if there's sort of a weaponization or

(28:53):
a war that we don't see as far as are
they feeding us information tweets, tiktoks, Instagram posts that aren't
in our best interest, you know what I mean? Like, Sarah,
what do you think about the impact of social media
on us and black people?

Speaker 5 (29:12):
I think the impact is wildly impactful. And what I
mean by that is inside of what's happening in the world,
especially us being the biggest consumers in the nation. We're
constantly consuming, consuming, consuming, and what comes with that is
we also have this flashy thing because we want to
show our success even if we don't have it. And

(29:33):
so I think that social media where we're going to
places like the Shade Room or world Star for our news.
You know, the Shade Room has forty five point seven
million followers on Instagram, and people are going to this
place for their daily news. People are looking at the rappers,
the athletes to say, I want these cars, I want
this jewelry, I want the money, and so what happens

(29:55):
is we start doing this keeping up with the Joneses thing,
but we could. First of all, the Joneses ain't checking
for you. But second of all, when you do that,
we're spending more money than we have. And I think
that it keeps us in a consumeris mindset. It keeps
us broke, and it keeps us in a space where
we don't have an economy because we're always busy spending
instead of investing.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Sabitri, I know that we are dealing with a small
number of people controlling the information that's flowing through social media,
black social media. What I experience on Twitter and on
TikTok is a Black community that is vibrant, that is interesting,
that is nourishing, that makes me feel at home. I

(30:39):
have had so much fun back with Twitter was a
thing that I felt like I could do before the
elon days. I love black Twitter. I love my Black
TikTok community. You know, I mean like I get community
and culture and a virtual barbecue from these things. Do
you not get that from black soulcial media?

Speaker 4 (31:00):
You know?

Speaker 9 (31:01):
I do at times, and then I get an abundance
of violence.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
I get an abundance of I get an abundance of.

Speaker 9 (31:10):
A terrible representation of what the black experience actually is.
And the thing about it is, I think, what a
lot of people, how dangerous this is?

Speaker 4 (31:18):
If I have to explain If I'm on.

Speaker 9 (31:21):
Stage and there's a crowd of I don't know how
many people put out very many one the moment, whoever
controls the sound unplugs my mic. I ain't said shit,
you are in direct correlation how my message is perceived.
I could have said, I have a dream speaks about
Martin Luther King. But now you can sit and tell them.
I said how powerful black media is, and I say,

(31:42):
when a new movie comes out, shot that everything Ryan
Coogler did with Centers and everything, the moment black culture
jumps onto something, it elevates what happened with Ryan Coogler
and everything that got going on.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
I think the thing about it is there's just a
perception of black culture that's actually missing coming from these
three people who control thenre And that's the problem.

Speaker 10 (32:04):
You know.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
I saw a lot of Sean King's videos on Instagram
and Twitter. That was a huge thing for a while,
Doctor B because he putting aside the specific conversation about
him whether or he's black. All that he would show,
like the hardcore black people getting traumatized, victimized by police

(32:27):
or like all the time, and it was hard for
me to watch, and it was liberating when even like
hardcore Black Lives Matter people were like, I stopped following
him because I can't pay attention to everything.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Right.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Social media is giving us every shooting, every beating, every lynching,
and it's hard when you can, when you pay attention
to every news story where a black body is destroyed,
that is very, very difficult.

Speaker 8 (32:53):
You know what, Torrean love that you said that, because
I call it social media black on black crime. And
let me tell you why, Because is the it is
the war that we don't see. Because to your point,
in Dimitri's point, there is a narrative that it is
social media is creating, but it's also the narrative that
we as black people are on there creating and perpetrating.

(33:16):
And that happens to be the narrative of a lot
of crime. It happens to be the narrative of this
whole you know, Pimson hos this narrative of this play
a player, this narrative of you know, broken families and
broken homes and baby mamas and baby daddies. There's not
the positive representation that's needed on there. And what it's
doing is it's silencing our positive, good black voice, and

(33:39):
it's teeming up the negative black voice, which is dangerous
for people who don't know how to differentiate the difference.
For the people who are scrolling about ninety percent of
their day, they're not reading books, they're not looking at
YouTube videos, they're not listening to anything that is educational
that can teach them the different identities that they can
identify with that can act be an algebut to themselves,

(34:01):
to their family in generational wealth. And the issue with
it is we have parents who have kids who are
the main social media black on black criminals and they're
teaching their kids this and that's called learn behavior. That's
how we create generational pathologies and dysfunctional norms that do
not service that turn into systemic racism within each and

(34:23):
every one of us.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
I know, yes, yes, but also I have felt so
educated by my black brothers and sisters, especially on TikTok
where some of the other ones, you know, you communicate Twitter,
you communicate so short right, like one forty you can't
get a full idea out, but like in a two
or three minute video, you can educate me on what's

(34:48):
going on with black farmers in Nebraska, or the real
story in South Africa, or you know, you don't understand
the way the police statistics are manipulated. And I'm like,
I am con learning and looking at these little ted
talks where I'm like, oh my god, I'm getting so
much education. And this is part of why Dmitri why
they want to shut down TikTok, partly because of the

(35:12):
information flow. A lot of people keep saying, it's really
that we are talking about Palestine with such freedom that
scares a lot of the people in power. And we've
seen social media used in this way with the Arab
Sprague and other to be part of the revolution. I
think that if we are actually going to have some
sort of revolution in this country, social media is going

(35:33):
to have to be part of it.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
You know.

Speaker 9 (35:36):
It's it's amazing because it's probably the most powerful part
at the moment. It's the most influential thing going on
in modern generation, clearly. But the thing about it is,
I think it's a difference when we look at platform,
per account, per what lives in these social media So
if you go into I think the thing about it
is these three people control the algorithms, so they can

(35:58):
push whatever they want. I want you to see at
you more than you think that might. So let's say
TikTok for example. Of course there's gray space to learn,
grace space to conversate, grace space to do this. But
if you see one black bad experience, all that set
to follow is twenty seven more. Your four you page
is gonna look nothing but black, this black death. And

(36:19):
you know, Tori, this this is a question I have
for you because I look up to you now. You
want to know your perspective on it. If we're looking
at it as black men, black women in our culture
and we're saying, damn this may be wrong, or damn
may this may not be all we need to see,
how are other people looking at it saying do you
think there is a race that's saying, look how much

(36:42):
black death is shown on TV?

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Look at how much we can't do it?

Speaker 2 (36:46):
No?

Speaker 1 (36:47):
I know, I'm sure that some white people are encountering
this stuff and it has an impact on them. You know,
I think about this a lot because these sort of
stories really live in us and resonate for us. Like
I think, like any of us could name Tanner twenty
black people who were like infamously killed like by police
that became like big, huge stories, right, And like we

(37:09):
may not say the same twenty names, right, Like you
may say some names that I don't say. I may
say all that, right. White people are maybe doing like
one or two, right, Like they remember Trayvon Martin because
we made a big deal out of it, right, But
like do they really think about all this in the
way we do, doctor b I don't think they do.

Speaker 8 (37:29):
This is my thing, Toray. Who's problem is this? Who's
creating this narrative?

Speaker 6 (37:37):
Who is somebody put in?

Speaker 8 (37:38):
Because I always hear you say white people are our
biggest problem. White people have caused a lot of problems,
and they are the nucleus to many of our problems.
But in twenty twenty five, Torrey, the last I checked,
my hands are free, brother, and so is my mind,
because I chose for it to be. So the issue
is we, to Dmitri's point, are allowing the folks who

(38:01):
control the algorithm, who control the media, to make sure
that they're controlling the narrative that they want to put
out there about us.

Speaker 6 (38:08):
So what does that mean.

Speaker 8 (38:09):
That means that we have to understand that if we
are going to put a narrative out there that's going
to be controlled, let's put one out there that we
can't control. Let's put the one out there that we
want people to see. Let's put those narratives out there
that we want leaders to be able to draw a
blueprint from and create people and causes people to want
to have think tanks about the things that you're saying.

(38:30):
You're watching to way, everyone doesn't have your algorithm. Love
your algorithm. I wish all of us had your algorithm.
But everyone's not watching videos on education, on black representation,
So you got other folks that are doing it. I
stand on the fact that we are in our own way,
and until we take back our problem being outside of us,

(38:51):
our power will stay outside of us. We have to
be the ones that create things differently for us.

Speaker 9 (38:56):
Dimitri, you know the thing about it is for me
is I sit here and I ponder on this.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
I said, so who is it like? Who's the problem?
And for me, I'm gonna get you to one off
top everything World Star does i'll disagree with. Let me
tell you why.

Speaker 9 (39:11):
There's two ways on World Star, either pay for it
or a negative action. You got to kill somebody, somebody
out to die. I don't know if y'all heard about
this young man. He's a rapper recently got caught in gunfire.
His name was Skiller Baby. He's part of this new generation.
Why he ends knowing well? But it was reported that
he was shot, but it wasn't reported that he was

(39:31):
praying on Instagram live two days before that he was
doing something completely out of his normal that wasn't reported,
and that Gardner the exact same amount of likes, if
not more. But we reporting that all we reported to negativity.
And that's my problem. That's why I don't subscribe to
the world here.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Well, here's part of the challenge with what you're saying.
That the people, the oligarchs who control our social media,
all of them are conservative right They may or may
not be trumpy, they probably are, but they're all right wing,
and they quite often are shaping the algorithms so that
conservative voices are privileged right and progressive voices are pushed down.

(40:13):
This is part of why the the whole sort of TikTok.
The whole Twitter thing died for me because Elon came
in and made it very froggy, very conservative, and I'm like,
I can't deal with this anymore, Sarah, As a conservative,
I think even you would understand that America is better

(40:33):
if we have balanced voices, right, a balanced menu of voices,
both conservative and progressive, and not just conservatives pushing their
voices and pushing down the progressive voices.

Speaker 5 (40:44):
I definitely agree, and I think the biggest challenge for
us is the fact that so many of our people
can be bought. And what I mean by that is,
as long as they're shaping the narrative, they have to
have us in order to push it out, because we're
leading the trenches, right, It's our people that are leading
the trenches of what's cool and what's popular, what's necessary,

(41:05):
what's needed, and as long as we are being puppeted
out front and taking that check, it's gonna be okay.
And so it's funny to me because you know, you
see these people on social media. Dmitry was talking about
how it's negative or you pay for it. I'm seeing
little girls to work in front of their families because
that's cute now, and that's not cute. Why are little

(41:25):
girls doing grown woman things because they think that that's
what's popular. Because it's these artists that are put out
here that are showing you that it's okay for you
to wear booty shorts and have your butt cheets out
in the grocery store, I am shopping for food. I
do not want to see your naked body. And that
is the problem with this day and age that a
lot of people have gotten to a place where they

(41:46):
we are so desensitized, we are so desensitized that everything
has become okay.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Now said now, the reason why you don't why I
don't go to the grocery store in Canada. But I
want to show you video what you just said.

Speaker 6 (42:03):
Connecticut to help the way up.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Let me take the way to take a.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Look at her.

Speaker 6 (42:17):
Look at her Conecticut, right.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
She's so happy being herself, She's so comfortable in her body.

Speaker 9 (42:49):
What do you think he's not. That's not what it is.
That's not what I'm looking at. That's not what I see.
I see the power of influence. I see the power
of thirty thousand shares, the power of four thousand like
I see the power of whatever the whatever the statistics is,
I'll see influence. The thing about it is, if this
was some regular young woman who smetched that wig in public,
it'll be.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
A fight, but you let you let good. But that
was her friend, because her friend to it, she only
know that, like she on't even know that.

Speaker 9 (43:16):
Like the thing the thing about it is for me personally,
it's it's it's it's disturbing. It is terrible. And the
thing about it is a lot of young women.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
You found that terrible and disturbing.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Man, listen first.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
One thousand lights, thousand chairs. That's disturbing. It's not a
fun for the sisters out in the parking lot. I
I know there is disturbed. So let's let let you
blow your gasket and flabber your gasket.

Speaker 8 (43:45):
My flabber is gas.

Speaker 6 (43:47):
Okay, So.

Speaker 5 (43:50):
I don't get a lot of outrage. Okay, But why
is this okay? Why is this something where a young
woman thinks that this is okay? Well, you know what,
I heard a statistic that in this day and age,
because we are pushing this hookup culture, this over sexualization,
this over desensitization, because we are pushing these things, did

(44:12):
you guys know that it has been said that women
from the ages of eighteen to twenty three have slept
with more men than women that are over the age
of fifty three. We don't understand how images like this
are creating a dynamic. Well, now we are stepping completely
outside of ourselves. That doesn't show me confidence. That's not

(44:32):
a woman that loves her body. That is a woman
that is desperate for attention. That is a woman that
wants to be accepted so bad instead of accepting herself,
which goes back to the beginning of this. We need
to have.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
More self love, doctor b I see, I see coming
out of a long history of Black people struggling to
love ourselves. Our curls, our curves are larger, things are
africanoid features to bean my God. Before Sarah born, we
had a whole campaign called Black is Beautiful where we
had to teach Black people. We were talking to black

(45:05):
people and teach them we are beautiful, our natural hair,
our natural nose, our big natural lips. Like we are beautiful.
And this sister is enjoying herself. She is comfortable in
her body. She is clearly like happy in having fun,
and like she loves herself and like Lizo would be like,

(45:25):
salute to you, sister. You're getting the message.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
What do you think?

Speaker 8 (45:30):
I think it's a deep rooted identity crisis. I think
it is an act of self hate being externalized. I
think that all of the validation that she never received.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
I think.

Speaker 8 (45:43):
All of the validation that this beautiful young woman has
never received from daddy issues, mommy issues, and whatever else
she's experienced from trauma is externalizing so that she gains
that she is working from a deficit and does it
know worth. Worth isn't a weight class, Okay, Worth isn't

(46:04):
a gender. Worth isn't an age. Worth is something internal
that you have because you got it at a young age,
or you don't, and when you grow up and don't
have it, you've experienced what is called an identity crisis.
Majority of people within our community, black men and women,
especially women, who are doing this, are experiencing that they
are placing their value on external forces. As long as

(46:28):
I can get a like, a comment, or a validation
from somebody who she deems to have value, which happens
to be a celebrity sukie, then guess what she feels
validation until that validation leaves her and she has to
go seeking external validation again. That is where the psychological
dysfunctional norm comes in at tour Ray. And this isn't
a woman who's enjoying herself. And really quick you brought

(46:49):
up Lizzo. Lizzo was a woman who got online and
falsely claimed that she was so happy in her body. Now,
there are some women who are at that plus size.
Lizo now has lost all this weight. She's still beautiful
as she was when she was big, and has shared
that she was depressed and unhappy in that size. That
means that she sold us a false narrative. So women

(47:12):
that look like her can say, you know what, I
can be this big and be this confident as well.
That is a problem, Torrey, and we have to let
the reality Torey.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
The p not okay, the pro clutching on this pedle
is epic. All three of y'all are gripping type. I
don't even know how we could diagnose center an identity
crisis from just a silent like the sister. Clearly seems
I would have to do a lot more.

Speaker 8 (47:40):
If you are over sexual if you're over sexualizing yourself
so that you can get some type of validation from
a celebrity who was smacking you on your behind. So
you can accumulate likes, comments, and shares on Instagram and
you can't see that being some type of identity crisis
or a problem, then may you have a bigger problem

(48:01):
you need to look into because that is not something
that is not something that somebody does out in the
public because they care and they value themselves.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
I think are about herself, and she does value herself.
And because she loves herself, she's able to have this
moment of self pride, of self joy, of self release.
She's not afraid to be seen and people judging her.
She's like, what, who is Suki that I can't to

(48:32):
meet you? Something wrong my glasses? What is the name
of the person who posted this? I wanted to meet you?

Speaker 4 (48:37):
To say it.

Speaker 6 (48:39):
Again, Let's hear what the girl says in the video.
Plays the video again.

Speaker 10 (48:43):
Yeah, she's proud of herself.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
She loves her.

Speaker 8 (49:12):
Hold on one, secretary, did you hear what the I'm
I want to tell you?

Speaker 6 (49:15):
Did you hear what the woman said?

Speaker 8 (49:16):
The woman said, you f it up, you messed you
fed it up, you affed up all these skinny holes.
Torrey that means she's competing. Listen, you compete against people
you admire. Don't start with me, don't yeah me, Torey.
You compete against people you admire. So you're competing against
skinny holes? Is that what your admiration is? You can't

(49:39):
be happy in your skin if you are trying to
be something other than what you are.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
No, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. I think I think.
First off, her name is Suki with the good KOUCHI.
Let me explain.

Speaker 9 (49:53):
Let me explain to you, Daniel with the good dick.
It can never be my mentor you understand I'm teaching
shit about no self love. Yeah, listen, it's all. It's
all beautiful and great and everything. But this is the
I think there's a difference from being happy for a
moment and being happy when you go home and lay
your ass down.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
Yes, she might feel validated right there in that moment.
This is the highlight of this young woman life.

Speaker 9 (50:18):
Why because Suki what I ain't gonna say it again again,
Because Suki with the Good Koochie gave.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
Her a compliments posting her on her social media.

Speaker 9 (50:28):
I don't think we know how dangerous this is Suki
got seven million follows on it. That's more than me.
I think that may be more than the thing about
it is. Man, it's a dangerous fucking narrative. And I
understand she trying to push it is self love and
push it is be beautiful. But that's not what I'm saying.
Whatever you act on somebody's insecurities.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
Agreed, When are we going to stop supporting this trash
at the end of the day, Because honestly, we are
magnifying and glorifying self hate. That's how I feel. And
it's funny to me because like when you think about
the fact that just because a celebrity comes or they
turn on a camera, now all of a sudden, this
is why social media is weaponized against us because we

(51:12):
don't even know who we are. We struggle to really
identify ourselves and have a real form of identity. This
every single day, in every and in so many homes.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
This sister is not unlike many of our sisters, aunts, cousins.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
What have you.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Who are overweight. Not their fault. That's the biology that
some of us are given. They can't do anything about it.
And in a culture that is constantly telling you that
to have a thin nose and a thin body is
beauty and to not have those things, it's not beauty
to have this sister, be like, I am large, I

(51:50):
am beautiful, I believe in myself, I love myself. That
is a valuables other women.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
Who what if sexual yourself like that ends up getting
you raped?

Speaker 6 (52:02):
What if?

Speaker 5 (52:03):
Now, because you are the person that wants to show
your booty, you want to show your whole body, You
want to act like you love yourself so much that
now you put yourself into a dangerous situation. You put
yourself around these minutes you think you're gonna treat you right,
and they're not. And now you now look, now.

Speaker 6 (52:17):
Who's in the wrong.

Speaker 5 (52:18):
Who do we blame?

Speaker 8 (52:19):
Where does it go from there?

Speaker 4 (52:20):
To?

Speaker 9 (52:21):
The thing about it is, showing your body has become
such a norm in this coach man, we're numb to
it now. The thing about it is, you look at
people with only fans account, and all of this is
social media.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
You look at people with only fans.

Speaker 9 (52:34):
Account, their entire goodies are out on social media.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
Right then a moment, a man walks behind him in
the club. What the fuck are you doing? How dare you.

Speaker 9 (52:43):
The moment the man compliments that body you over that shake,
and that I asked you over that shaking. He's in
a row, he's doing all these things. Maybe you put
it out there on the scene.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
These are all. These are all some of the sex
workers that Cassie was with uh in the freak Offs.
Some people have talked about you see diddy head a type.
Maybe you see it. I think there's a big leap
to what if she got raped because this person is

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in a situation where she's with friends. She's in the
parking lot, so she's probably near a club, right, So
like she's in a situation where she knows who she's around,
she knows who is with her. She feels comfortable, right.
I imagine this sister would know, Hey, I'm not safe here.
We're not working here, We're not working everywhere. We're working

(53:36):
here where we're comfortable. And I love the love that
she has for her body. Go ahead, d sorry, let
me ask you a question.

Speaker 8 (53:42):
To Y, let me ask you a question and real
quick to meet you, Torey, where would it be appropriate
for your daughter to talk? I'm just curious where would
it be appropriate for her to work.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
I mean, look, if my seen year old. If my
sixteen year old child was in the house with people
who know and respect and love her and know that
her main goal is to get to college and to
get to a career, and we're not tour That's not
the main thing, right, This is not where we're focusing on,
you know, friends and parents who love her.

Speaker 8 (54:13):
And on a car in an alley. What the suki
with this kid? Is that appropriate for your sixteen year
old daughter to talk with her butt cheeks out? I
don't care what size she is, size doesn't matter, and
souking these people popping her butt? Is that appropriate to way?
I'm asking you a question.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
That woman is being appropriate, She is showing love to herself.

Speaker 6 (54:36):
Is that appropriate for your daughter?

Speaker 8 (54:38):
Is it appropriate for your daughter?

Speaker 1 (54:41):
I've already answered the question.

Speaker 6 (54:44):
I mean, I mean, he's a boy. He's doing avoiding
behavior right now.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
Dmitri appropriate?

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Come on?

Speaker 9 (54:51):
And I don't even have one yet. But I think
the thing about it is what you're missing, toy. And
I love the sentiment. I love how you say she
may feel comfortable here, but percent of people who are
taking advantage of feel comfortable first always in rooms and
in spaces you thought you were safe so you get
taken advantage of let's just say, speaking one of the

(55:14):
men or friends or security guard say, you know what,
y'all see that young lady out there, she was shaking
her eyes outside. I'm gonna slip something her drink. She
can grow me. All I'm saying is the thing about
it is these days money moves everybody. So them same friends,
the same guy you hear in the background, gang banging on,
phone them, this on, phone them, that same dude you're
in the background.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
You don't listen. You don't know what he's willing.

Speaker 9 (55:37):
He's willing to do the moment something becomes comfortable to him.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
And that's all I'm saying. That's all. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (55:44):
I gotta say, bring Shane back. I think that's the problem.
We have gotten soft as a generation where we allow anything.
And this is the problem with allowing anything. You've got
people that clearly are displaying that they don't truly love them.
Because when you love yourself, you have standards, you have boundaries,
you have exclusivity, there are things that you have when

(56:05):
you respect yourself. Nothing about this says I respect me.
We've got to bring I don't and maybe that sounds crazy,
Bring shame back this. I would be ashamed because now
we have parameters and boundaries in which we operate for
our lives. If this becomes okay, if your sixteen year
old daughter, we're in the grocery store, because this is

(56:26):
how people are also dressing in the grocery store, tour Ray,
people are dressing like this going for a walk in
the park, and it's crazy. Why because there's no shame.
Why because social media is weaponized to show us as
black women that we don't matter, that the only thing
we're good for is sex, that we it doesn't matter
what we actually want, and we are able to be
these sexualized beings that everybody sees to day. We have

(56:49):
the most sexualized group of people.

Speaker 6 (56:51):
And this is why I don't don't.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
I don't think there's a lack of shame in this world.
I think social media is definitely a home where people
shame each other and strangers will lay into each other.
But I think that a lack of shame, if that
does exist, allows people the freedom to be who they
want to be. And like you're talking about hypotheticals and

(57:16):
the potential of if this, if that happened. But none
of that happened. This sister was in a parking lot,
minding her own business with her friends, enjoying her body,
having a good time. And there is something revolutionary about
somebody this large being this happy in her own skin.
We don't see this every day. It's taught to not

(57:38):
believe in their own beauty.

Speaker 6 (57:41):
But it's not about being large.

Speaker 8 (57:43):
Because if we put a large elementary, junior high school beautiful,
large big girl or boy, uh reading or studying for
a test, it's not going viral. It's not going viral,
And it's nothing wrong with twerking. It's about what is
your enn results? What are you trying to gain from.
I'm forty two. I'll talk all around my mini mansion.

Speaker 10 (58:04):
You damn right.

Speaker 6 (58:05):
I'll twork butt naked in my house and my mansion.

Speaker 8 (58:07):
Okay, I do a lot of things in my home
because I want what you're saying.

Speaker 6 (58:11):
Freedom. Yeah, Dmitri, go on a picture it.

Speaker 8 (58:13):
Get the vision, baby, Get the vision, baby.

Speaker 6 (58:15):
Okay, I want freedom.

Speaker 10 (58:17):
Here.

Speaker 8 (58:17):
I'm in my safe space and I'm comfortable. I'm here
with family, but I am not intentionally going outside next
in the middle of the street with my butt cheeks
out where you can almost see my vagina twerking, Because
then what would be my intention? What would I be
trying to feed within myself by doing that with an audience.
Those are two different feasts that you're trying to feed.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
To me, Ti.

Speaker 9 (58:41):
I think the thing about it is what makes it
dangerous and how it's being weaponized against us is the
idea that upon perception.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
And other cultures, they all believe we already related. You
don't know if this is my MoMA, my system, my
ain'ty my aunt. You just know, you just automatically attach.
We don't know, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
You got friends who be like, I didn't know that
she was my mom till I was twenty. I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
That's that's a crazy statement you're saying right there. But
all I'm saying is the idea of it.

Speaker 9 (59:11):
The moment, Sarah, since maybe you love a grocery store,
the moment I go to the grocery store right and
I'm in connection with another culture and they look at
me and I look at them, They automatically reference this
video in their mind. This is the perception they have
of all culture, no matter where we are, all they're
going to remember, and it's a psychology thing. You are
more you are more likely to remember the negative behaviors

(59:37):
and connotations you've seen.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Here's the thing to bet right, Like, we had a
black president for eight years. He has a beautiful black
wife eight years of they've been married forever, but she's
a superstar in America for eight years. She's the most
admired woman in America for many years. So I'm supposed
to be afraid of one video that gets a couple
of million likes, But like, because what I mean, I

(01:00:01):
don't conduct my life based on what will white people think?
Like that to be is an incredibly reductive and destructive
way to look at the world. And like, if you
look at that, after years of looking at Barack and
Michelle and Oprah and and you go, well, they're just that, Well,
there is nothing that we could have done to save

(01:00:22):
you right from hating us, from being anti black, because
we gave you amazing images of brilliant, beautiful, intelligent, black,
classy black people right over and over and over.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
But the.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Censorship of progressive voices is still an incredibly important and
dangerous thing, which leads to an entire political calculus a
political mindset where we don't even understand the full issue
because we're only getting one side of the story, because
we're only having one time, because because progressive voices are

(01:00:58):
being silenced by the Elie and the Mark Zuckerbirds of
the world.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
Right, Dimitri, Yeah, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 9 (01:01:05):
And I think the thing about it is that's what
makes it even more dangerous. If they're withholding all of
the positive things like and I get it, the Michelle,
the Baraques and everything that went into making our black
culture beautiful, everything that we see is beautiful, and only
judging us off the negative shit they see online. I
think that's even more of a powerful statement of why

(01:01:26):
this shit can't exist, why we can't hype this shit
up in our own culture. And the thing about it is,
for me personally, I think the moment you begin to
control what I say, you control my message and I
will not have my message to Terry.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
But it's it's it's different for a lot of peop there. Go.

Speaker 5 (01:01:43):
Yeah, once you start censoring and suppressing what's good and
you amplify what's bad, we start to create the narrative
that that's all that there is, and that's really the issue. Yes,
we have the Michelle Obama's and the Oprahs, and and
and and for each one of those, there's a thousand
others that doing talking videos and those turking videos are
what is getting pushed out in the in the algorithm

(01:02:05):
and amplified where they are getting one hundred thousand likes,
one hundred million likes, whatever it could possibly be. And
I just feel like it's not it's not right because
now little girls, little black girls, are looking up thinking
the only way for me to matter is to have
attention instead of respect, is to have people look at

(01:02:26):
me instead of have people value me. And that's my
challenge with social media. You have to be so intentional
with it. But we live in a world where social
media your friends, your family, your colleagues, your schools, that's
really what's raising our children, no matter how good of
a parent you are. So how do you how do
you battle social media?

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
I mean to you, I understand that Facebook, as one example,
sixty five percent fewer progressive messages, right like Twitter is
probably far beyond that. There's so many beautiful, amazing, just
black women in this country that black girls are able

(01:03:05):
to look up to. I sort of reject the notion
of like this video or one music video will ruin
the girls when we have Michelle Obama to look up
to and Oprah and Serena Williams.

Speaker 8 (01:03:19):
Right, sorry, all right, you keep you can you keep
mentioning Michelle Obama. Michelle Obama has a podcast which I
was so geeked. I was geeked right that she has
this podcast, something that a high intellectual, high functioning woman
like myself could watch. To your point, I watch it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:35):
I love it.

Speaker 8 (01:03:36):
She's dropping Jim after Jim after Jim.

Speaker 6 (01:03:40):
And guess what, She's.

Speaker 8 (01:03:41):
Not getting rating after rating after rating, nor is she
getting common after common after common, nor is she getting
share after share after share. So what I'm saying is
Oprah as Well went and started her own own network,
and you know the shows that got the lowest rating.

Speaker 6 (01:03:59):
You know the show she put.

Speaker 8 (01:04:00):
On there when the network first started, where all the positive, inspirational,
educational shows. And guess what, she almost lost her damn
network with those shows.

Speaker 6 (01:04:09):
As soon as Tyler Perry came out, which I love my.

Speaker 8 (01:04:12):
TP and started putting on more of the risk k,
more of the black dramas, more of the black and
what like social media type stuff guess what own now
has a network. So contrary to the point you're trying
to make, folks are not looking to the Oprahs and

(01:04:32):
the Obamas from the masses. Maybe you are, maybe I
and maybe Sarah, maybe Dimitri, because that is where our
optics choose to see. That is what we choose to
fill our space up with. But the majority of our masses,
who need leadership, who need guidance, who need to see
something positive, they ain't looking at Michelle Obama's podcasts. They're

(01:04:53):
not reading Michelle Obama's book. Okay, Torey, your little limited
circle might do that, but we have to look at
the representation of everyone who represents being black.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
And we take I went to Michelle Obama book event
at the Barclay Center. It was sold out. And this
is a national tours, is like a twenty first biggest
podcast in America. So it'll be like this is she's
doing huge numbers, not as huge as you would like.
And I think there's a I think more of a
problem in the podcasting industry rather than.

Speaker 8 (01:05:26):
She's in the top one hundred podcasts. She's not in
the top one hundred podcasts.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
She is, she's twenty first among podcasts. But here's the
thing that Michelle Obama, Oprah and Serena right, And there's
many amazing black women who are super popular and super
famous and are on television all the time, and there's
so many amazing lot of people for them to look

(01:05:52):
up to you, right, for the kids to look up to.
I don't think the kids are lost because one twerking
video of a sister and joy yourself and having fun.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
I hear you tore. One thing that I will say
is I think that it's important for us to continue
to create and innovate different ways. And shout out to
my friend Isaac Hayes. He is the founder and creator
of fan Base, and it is just like a social
media meets clubhouse meets zoom and he's really put that
out there. But because again we are suppressed, we don't
have that same amplified voice. Most people don't even really

(01:06:25):
know about fan Base. Although it does have hundreds of
thousands of people, it's not the same as Instagram that
has as many people as it has on the app, right,
And so our opportunity is to continue to explore what
is what have we created for ourselves so that we
can see more positive messages because it is true. Negativity
is natural. We have to be positive on purpose and

(01:06:46):
and you know, check out fan base. That's that's just
one option, but there are several.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
No, it's a it's it's it's a great platform. Shout
out to Isaac Hayes the third. There's also Spill where
they're also trying to create a black social media cookout
vibe DMITI come into the end. Do you think I
feel like? Do you do you think we're lost by
the imagery that's coming at us from the Michelle Obaba's

(01:07:13):
to uh what's her name?

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
The video?

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Who bade this video? Who posted this video?

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
Name?

Speaker 9 (01:07:20):
I can't, I can't, you can't let me do it?
Her name is Suki with the good Kouchi.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
That go ahead, let's thought to be tri What do
you think about all this?

Speaker 9 (01:07:35):
I think the thing about it is you make a
valid point. There is a lot of positive to look at,
but positive does not negate the negative. And I think
the thing about positive what a lot of people don't
understand in today's social media society, there is a difference.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Between insight and influence. Right.

Speaker 9 (01:07:52):
It's the reason you can go to a three year old,
four year old, and he can tell you seven Michael
Jackson songs that's influenced what.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
What what it is is these days we are losing influence.

Speaker 9 (01:08:03):
We might have insight in the moment, you might can
sell out an arena, you might cound do some chores,
but what people are going to take away from it
is changing, and I think we need to care about
that a little more than.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Doctor b.

Speaker 8 (01:08:15):
Let me say this. The top three black podcasts in
the world are Breakfast Club number one, Say Less, Drink
Champs number two, Say Less, and million dollars worth of
Game I'll even say less.

Speaker 6 (01:08:29):
All three of.

Speaker 8 (01:08:29):
Those have one hundred million dollar deals are more Okay
Club Shaysha is up there, but he's not the top three.
Why am I saying that, because that means that those
are the podcasts that we black folks listen to the most.
And again, Michelle Obama wasn't in that top three, as
I just stated. So we have to make sure that
shows like truth Talk is giving a representation for everyone black.

Speaker 6 (01:08:54):
But we're also.

Speaker 8 (01:08:55):
Providing resources and guidance as to where the folks who
are listening to these podcast passes are can go to
other places. Like True Talks, and we have to make
sure that we are creating a black voice that represents
the positive, but keeps it real, keeps it very real
about the negative and the issues that we have to
work on as black people. We cannot create issues, hide

(01:09:19):
our hands and then say somebody else's problem. As long
as we keep it out there, it's not in house,
and we can do more with things that are in
house than we can with things that are outside. And
those are my final thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
No, I think that's really important. I think that's really valuable.
And I think this has been an amazing conversation. You
guys are crushing it. I love you guys. I love
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I love that we are bringing a variety of black
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Give yourselves a round of applause. You guys are awesome. Look,

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