WHITE GENOCIDE, DOJ ENDS POLICE REFORM, 50 CENT TROLLING

50 Cent Trolls Diddy, DOJ Ends Police Oversight Lawsuits, Unemployment On The Rise For Black Women, White Genocide is the Great White Lie

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Episode Transcript

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(01:00):
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Speaker 3 (01:03):
Listen, y'all. He said, bigger and blacker, and I like
the bigger and the blacker. And we are here on
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events today that impact you, that are gonna teach you

(01:26):
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can take into your household and take it to your community,
and you can become the leader that we're all responsible
for being self. Stay tuned if you.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Roll with this show. Last season, you saw a little
of doctor Sarah fought. No, this season, you're gonna see
a lot of her because she is our newest co host.
Welcome to the family.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
What's Up.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
I'm so happy to be here bringing critical thought, asking
real questions for something that may feel the exact same
way as me.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Because this is truth Talks. We don't tell the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, she's got a podcast called It's Giving and hopefully
she's got her passport with her so she can get
et into the show each week. And also Dmitre Wiley
from the Lost lover Boy podcast my favorite millennial How
are you?

Speaker 5 (02:06):
I'm blessed about God? How are you beautiful people today?

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Indeed, indeed, let's get into the trending truths because the
Diddy trial is what everybody everywhere is talking about everywhere
I go. We can't get away from it, and even
fifty Cent can't get away from it. Fifty said, the
number one troll in hip hop, saw this as an
opportunity to make life a little bit worse for Diddy

(02:30):
to needle Diddy a little bit more. He's given us
this Instagram AI of old horrible looking Diddy, and he's
joking that he's betting on Diddy doing twenty years in prison.
And of course, your boy Ray J jumped in here
and said, no, I think he's gonna get off. But
my god, we are. Fifty is just out here making

(02:52):
fun of Ditty as he's going through this horrible situation,
which is entirely his own making. But doctor b is
this a moment to be joking.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Listen, Fifty, who I call five, is a good friend
of mine. Fifty is a mongo. He's a boss man.
He's a money man. He knows what he's doing. He he,
you know, developed a higher documentary on Diddy and allegedly
sold it for big bucks in the millions. That's what
he does. He's the he is the troll of all trolls.
But what I do like is that he made sure

(03:21):
that the troll ends up making deposits in the bank account.
So for him it's a win win. I don't think
Didd he cares either way. Diddy is trying to fight
a trial and get some freedom. He can give a
damn about what fifty cent is doing on social media.
And as far as ray J, y'all know ray J,
that's that's that's my that's my guy and my client
as well. Ray is a part of this era and

(03:43):
Ray is going to be wherever Ray could be. If
there's a big splash, Ray is the one in the
middle of that splash. That's just how he is. That's
his personality.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
That's ray J. D b tri if fifty is such
a troll that he used to be on Twitter talking
about his dog Oprah, and he would call the dog
a bitch. So he'd be on Twitter and sorry about
Oprah is such a bitch. I beat Oprah blah blah
blah blah, and we'd be all triggered. He's like, I'm
not talking about Oprah Whitbey, I'm talking about my dog.
But of course you're talking about Oprah whit. But this

(04:13):
is the kind of trolling that we used to from fifty.
He's trolling everybody, but there's there's an extra nastiness in
it with Diddy.

Speaker 6 (04:22):
Fifty is like such a moniacal genius, like his level
of trollings to a degree that like the common man
wouldn't even go to for like their enemy. And the
thing about it is, it's natural in the black culture
that we troll each other. That's just who we are.
We do it in the midst of problems, family reunion,
family functions. Aba an't currently battling cancer right now, like

(04:45):
diagnosed a month ago, and we cracking on her like
like this, ain't you know what I'm saying? Serious as
it is, it's just the way we give love. But
to that point, I think this is something Fifty just
made love to do.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
Like, I think he loves this. This is this is
fit Sarah.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
You know, I know what Dimitri is talking about, that
his aunt has cancer. They love her and they're making
jokes to lift her, and the jokes come from a
place of love so she can accept it in that way. Obviously,
Fifty is not coming at Diddy with any sort of love.
He's trying to make his horrible situation even worse. So

(05:22):
what do you think about you know, Fifty try to
jump in it just like troll Diddy a little bit more.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
I think this is true fifty fashion to be honest,
you know, like when he bought out all of those
roles at the Jaw Rule concert, just so no one
would be there to give him that energy at the front.
And I have to say, you know, maybe this is
just an ego in me speaking, but there's enough better
piping hot tea than that which comes with the profits
from the demise of your arch nemesis. I should say that,

(05:52):
but it's just the truth. But I do want to
ask you guys a question because speaking of this Diddy trial,
you know, we've seen a lot of things happening. We've
seen a lot of people testifying, and I just feel
like one of the things that really kind of rubbed
me the wrong way or made me feel a little
bit strange was when Cassie's mother testified. And one of
the things that we had heard about was how Cassie's

(06:12):
mother testified that she had to take a home equity
loan out for twenty thousand dollars so that Diddy wouldn't
release the sex tapes of Cassie. And for me, there
were times that we all have heard that Cassie would
go back to her mother's house, even her now husband
and two daughters were living at her mother's house. And
so my question is why didn't her mother go and

(06:35):
get her while this stuff was happening. Because in my
real life, I have a sister named Lauren, and my
mother drove twenty plus hours into like crossover the border,
came to America to get my sister her daughter because
there was some pretty crazy relationship stuff happening. So not
only did she go to get her, but she also
took her home. And my question is, shouldn't we be

(06:58):
this type of protective mother? Should we just allow our
daughters to go and keep going and keep going and
keep going to their abuse, to their own demise, Like,
what do you guys feel about this?

Speaker 3 (07:09):
What was your take when you saw her?

Speaker 2 (07:11):
We don't know what.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
We don't know what Regina did or did not do
to protect her daughter. We don't know what she said
or she may have. But also did he had I mean,
just for one of the ways that he was controlling Cass.
He has soldiers. See you would call them bodyguards, but
these are armed people, strong, tough people who go and

(07:33):
do whatever he tells them to do. And when she
tries to leave, he tell go get her. I mean,
we saw the freak off tape. She was trying to
leave and he beat her up and brought her back.
So you wonder how much could the mom do and
she's in this paper prison as far as like working
for him in the record deal, and then he's physically
violent to hold her within. I wonder how much Cassie

(07:56):
was shielding her mom from what was going on so
that the mom wouldn't be heard or vulnerable. Also, go ahead, Doc, but.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Not only that, Tore. It's like we're asking, we're saying,
or Sarah is saying, a mom should do more. First
of all, what no, the mom took a twenty k
he lock off out from her home to help her daughter.
We don't know if this mom had that type of money.
We don't know this mom's hardships, we don't know this
mom's socio economic background. So for mother to take out money,

(08:22):
whether it's a dollar or two one hundred thousand dollars
to help her daughter, that is a mother parenting in
being a daughter and being a mother who is showing
concern for her daughter. I don't think it's right versus
say her mom should have done anything more or less.
She did exactly what obviously Cassie needed. She showed up
for her, and did he got the money and gave
it right back. So we know that the mom ran

(08:43):
the play, that she needs to run the play for
her daughter. I think that's all that's important.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, I mean she did what the Regina did what
Cassie asked of her, Please help me. He wants twenty
thousand dollars. He's crazy, and she gave her the twenty.
Now she needed more help. Believe it. These relations was
very hard to Beatri and I don't I don't know
that Regina could have done anymore.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
I have no idea, you know.

Speaker 6 (09:07):
For me, man, it's all about perspectives because we all
we all we know is all we've been through, and
that's gonna shape how we view other people's situations. If
this is me and my mama, mind, you ain't gonna
take out no long, don't worry about none of that.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
Let him leak the leak the tape. We're gonna make
more than twenty. Don't even worry, worry about it.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, I don't know. That's a tough one to be.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Me and Dmitri were leaking the take me and Tri
leaving the take tag me in, damn tag me, and
I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
I spoke to somebody who saw a still from one
of the tapes somebody who's sitting in the courtroom and
just asking her, so, what did you see in the photograph?
And she recoiled, just just calling up the memory and like,
like it seemed very graphic and frightening and aumatizing to her,
just have seen a still from it. Like, I don't

(10:03):
know that Cassie would want this to be out in
any situation. I don't think she would see any potential
victory in putting this and like, like, this is not
a Kim k Raye a situation where you put this
tape out and eventually we make it like this is
the end of your career and your end of your

(10:24):
ability to even walk around in public because you'd be
so mortified.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Sex tapes on end careers. I actually create and we've
seen it happen many many times.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
But this is not.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
This is a rape tape.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, we know, but to but to the but we
have a divided community. To some of the community, it
is a sex tape. To some of the other divided community,
it is a rape tape. I'm with you. It's sexual abuse.
We're talking about just the monetization of Hey, but let's
go on to we get.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
When people see it, then they if people were to
see it, then they would know, oh, this isn't that
bad or oh my god, that's and people have seen
a little bit are like, oh my god, that's horrific. Yes,
so really kind of sad, but like, let's deal with it.
Real story. Another trending truth that black female unemployment is

(11:16):
up versus last year. It's up to six percent. It's
up higher than other women demog unemployment rates. It's higher
than other male demographics. So there's a high number of
Black women who are unemployed even though they are the
most educated demographic in the country. I think I have

(11:40):
an idea what's going on, but I want to work
through it. Doctor B. What do you think is the
reason why we're seeing this high black women unemployment.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
Rate right now?

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Well, first of all, as much as people think it's
a CEI result, right, it's not. The I benefited more
white women than it did Black women. First of all.
Second of all, black women haven't really suffered or been
impacted from DEI. As much as the narrative continues to
put out there, there's a couple of things going on
with blackmen. One were killing it out there sisters, where

(12:11):
my sisters at Holly at Your Girl were killing it.
We are the most educated. There are seventy one percent
of Black women that are obtaining their graduate degree that's
their master's degree. There is sixty five percent of women
obtaining their postgraduate degree, which is a doctorate degree academically,
not just an honorary doctorate, but going to get it academically.
So that means what sisters are back in school full time.

(12:32):
Not only that, but black women are overrepresented in what
in the healthcare industry? And guess what industry they're getting
their degrees in, y'all, We're getting our degrees in law,
health and hold on. The last one is what I
love public policy, which means we are rapping up to
do what run for office. So black women are starting
to have a different agenda and we are starting to
apply ourselfs and not just make it a conversation piece.

(12:53):
And so it may look like we have less employment,
but we're also setting ourselves up to have much more
of a future than we will have ever had in
the past.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Sarah, I think I mean, obviously thought to be is right,
but I think there's two groups at play here. I
think you see an upwardly mobile group of sisters who
are getting that education and moving up into white collar jobs,
and many of them are having tremendous success. And we
also know that there's a large number of black women

(13:21):
who are in retail or are in tipped jobs, right
jobs where we tip them right tipped workers, super high
representation of black and brown people, especially women in tipped workers.
Now jobs like retail and the healthcare job healthcare sector,
a lot of those jobs are being lost to automation, computerization.

(13:45):
You go into target, there used to be tons of
people they are ready to help you buy. Now there's
lots of self checkout areas where there is not a
person or maybe there's one person overseeing eight self checkout
areas where you know, when Dmiti was a kid, there
would have been like eight p people at eight right.
So you're losing people right jobs and the working class level,

(14:06):
the retail level that I think is hitting a lot
of black women while a larger while another class of
black women are getting degrees and moving upward. What do
you think of that?

Speaker 4 (14:17):
I think that you're absolutely right, But I also think
that that could be a superpower instead of something negative
because it will force you to pivot. So for me
personally inside of my life, when I hear things about
the unemployment rate as much higher. It used to be
four point six percent, now it's over six percent, it's
hard for me to really relate to that because most
of the women in my life, just transparently speaking, are

(14:38):
already six or seven figure earning women, So they either
have gone to school and they make the money, or
I do know a few other women that have married
into the money as well. So if they are leaving,
I would hope that it's not because we're necessarily losing out,
but it is, like doctor B said, because we're being
more proactive with what we want to see in the future,
because we're taking our education more serios, because we're getting

(15:01):
into careers and not just having jobs or what I
think is absolutely incredible and what I am myself, I
am a serial entrepreneur. And then there are also business owners,
brick and mortar business owners as well, and I think
that there's a beautiful opportunity for us being so well educated,
so hard working, so resilient, so figure it out. Everything
is figure outable, that it's really created a class of

(15:22):
women that are setting a newer, better and higher bar.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
And I want to add this really quick torey to
what Sarah said. Black women are also starting to have
kids in their forties versus back in the day there
was a big I don't want epidemic, but epidemic of
black women having kids in their teenage years, which was
then not allowing them to go on and create this feature.
So being that they are having kids later, that means

(15:47):
what they're becoming more carea driven. We are career driven
women who are saying we will create and build before
we go and have a family so that our kids
are born into equity and not onto deficit. I am
proud of sisters. Go sisters, go Black Women's I see you,
I love you, and I am you, and I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
You made me think about Brionna Taylor and bringing us
to the politicking segment about sisters that we care about
deeply because the DOJ is saying no more oversight. We
understand that Brionna Taylor and George Floyd made us march
the street, made some legislators stand up for us, made

(16:28):
some police departments make some changes. There were consent decrees,
there were departments that change, there were body cameras that
we got. There were ways that police, some police departments
were saying, let's police in a more equitable way and
not be murdering so many black people so quickly. And
now with the Trump DOJ that is going away. The

(16:50):
reforms that were put in, the lawsuits, the probes that
we were doing to try to get better policing, that's
all going away. Especially Louisville in Minneapolis, we have a
government that is now completely uninterested in police reform. They
want to support the police, and they want to be
anti black. This is a very dangerous world for black people.

Speaker 6 (17:12):
Yeah, I think the thing about it is you need
to end the oversight. It's it's hard to repair a
wound that's still bleeding. And the thing about it is
you double down on it and then you walked away
from it. Like that's that's the problem I'm seeing here.
Police reform without federal accountability is like the kid at

(17:33):
school started the fire leading the fire drill. It makes
no sense to me. And and and the thing about
it is they gave us publicity, and they gave us
all these other things, but they just left nothing changed.
Don't get me wrong. You do have body cams and
things of that nature that came out of this. But
everything that was supposed to be a major change was

(17:54):
just sat.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Down, doctor b. You're at the NAACP. This has got
to be amazing your issue for you guys. It got
to be a major concern for you guys.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
No, one hundred percent. So what this is is what
I've said and our previous episodes are. So it's the
qualified immunity that we as NAACP were fighting to get
rid of, because what qualified immunity does is it does
not hold law enforcement accountable for being prosecuted for the
crimes that they commit on us bystanders innocent or not right.

(18:25):
In addition to that, we have Black Lives Matter that
was big on defund the police. Well, NAACP for the
most part also was in alliance with that and agreeance
with that. So when the police heard defund us and
then Trump gets in office and says, hold up, we're
going to defund law enforcement, guess what he said. He said,
We're gonna reverse UNO on you, guys. We're gonna reverse
UNO on you. And so as we reverse UNO on you,

(18:48):
we're gonna say, well, part of that is we are
going to offer qualified immunity across the board. We are
going to pull out these lawsuits of these officers who
are undergoing prosecution. We are going to pull invests. And
not only that, Trump went further than that to say
that he wants to destroy, not just not prosecute, but
destroy the evidence and the documentation of these stories of

(19:11):
how this stuff happened. He is like, we were completely
get rid of this. Let me tell you why, so
that when he's not in office anymore, the next president,
if they decide to change the laws, they can't use
those documentations against them in the court of law. When
I tell you, this man may be a clown to
y'all and to everyone else, but one thing this dude
is doing is setting up shop for the people who

(19:34):
are coming after him when he is dead. And this
is where it gets the most scary, because Dimitri, your son,
my kids, and whoever else decides to have some kids
to razors as well, are gonna be the ones who
don't benefit from this. Are there going to be in
a deep, deep, deep backpedal civil rights situation that we're
all going to have to come to the forefront and
figure out if we don't do it now, how in

(19:56):
the hell do we get ourselves out of the sixties,
the modern day sixties? Again?

Speaker 1 (20:01):
No, I mean, as a parent of two teenagers, I'm
definitely nervous every day as they walk around New York City.
They move around New York City by themselves. I don't
know what's gonna happen. And I am more worried about
the police than I am about other citizens. I worry
that something will happen, the police will do something traumatizing

(20:26):
to them. They don't even have to be an arrest.
It could just be a detained just being briefly detained
on suspicion of you hop the turnstile, whatever. That could
be extremely traumatizing to somebody. And God, you have the
police put their hands on you to beat you. Have
you ever been just like briefly detained or had the
police like put their hands on you away that was
like traumatizing to you?

Speaker 6 (20:45):
Oh, sure, fucking have. It's it's actually very common. I
from the West Side of Chicago. Is a very common thing.
You have police officers who poke at us for fun,
just for being young and black. And the thing about
it is they'll detain you on anything. They don't even
give you reasons.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
It's it's it's absolutely and what does that feel like
to you and your friends when the police are fucking
with you for fun and putting their hands on you
in aggressive ways, and you know.

Speaker 6 (21:17):
It's it's real dehumanizing, like it makes you feel almost
animalistic at terms from handcuffs to sitting in the back
of vehicles to checking your pockets. And the thing about
it is is a young black American, you don't know
your rights.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
They could rip you out of a car.

Speaker 6 (21:31):
You just got your driver's license and you don't know
they're not supposed to check this without the correct paperwork.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
You don't know. So the thing about it is that
it's real, real, real animalistic.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
You know a lot of.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Times I want to ask, I want to ask to
meet you a problem, a question with a click. Do
you mind, Torey you meet you? You said a lot of times,
as a young black man, we don't know our rights, okay,
And I'm not attacking you because I want to be
able to be a part of the solution. Whose responsibility
to part question is it to know your rights? Correct?
And what are resources and what can we do to

(22:02):
help young black men know the rights so that when
they get pulled over, there's a protocol that they take
that's correct and it protects them from losing their life
at the hands of police brutality. Well, hold on, let
to meet you answer that.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
No, no, no no. But I want to push back to
you for what you're saying, because quite often the law
is whatever the officer standing in front of you says
it is. And quite often we may know you and
I may teach Dmitri. You should say this, these are
your law. If Dmitri says to an officer, I'm not
giving you my license because you cannot articulate a crime,

(22:36):
he is in the right. But the officer may still
arrest him and nothing bad will happen to the office. Right,
he may not get the benefit of the law in
any given situation, even if he knows the law.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
I was just about to say that.

Speaker 6 (22:47):
The thing about it is, yes, it should be on
your parents, on schooling, on everybody to seek the information,
to teach the information. A lot of times our parents
don't know. And the thing about it is, we sit
and we're just product of that. But like to to
Ray's point, the thing about it is, we're in the moment.
Once you in the moment, nothing else matters. You could
tell them everything yo, Mama told you to say, But

(23:10):
the moment he goes get the fuck out of the
car and there's force involved.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
He's slamming you on the ground, well, throwing you against
a gate. You just gotta do.

Speaker 6 (23:19):
What he said at this point because you're afraid of
anything other than not leaving this final line.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
To mean you thank you for answering that. I asked
you that on purpose because we're going to have young
black men who are watching and who are listening to
you and who you represent, and I want them to
be able to relate to your experience and not feel
like they have to know and not feel like they
are a criminal or you know, are open to okay
to being criminalized by an officer because they don't know.

(23:46):
And I want them to hear your experience because as
a black woman, I don't have that. So thank you
for sharing that experience for audience.

Speaker 5 (23:52):
Man. Amen, want to.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
Time in really quick on this as well, because I
feel like one of the things that we do in
it is our it is out what's to call our
cycle inside of the black experience. Something bad happens, then
there's outrage. Then we get pacified through Oh, we're gonna
do some media stuff for you, We're gonna come together,
we're gonna march, and they make us think that everything's
gonna be okay, and they make us all of these promises,

(24:15):
and then our outrage goes away and we go back
into our normal life boom, just for them to flip
around and not deliver on any of the promises that
they've made. And so for us, I actually want to ask,
and you guys let us know what you think in
the comments, what action can we take to create unity
where we are holding people accountable because obviously Trump is
not right. What can it be so that we're actually

(24:39):
working together to create that Because if we don't have
the Department of Justice, if we don't have our president,
if we don't have anyone that's going to help us
to progress as a culture, then it's important for us
to do that for us.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah, yeah, And I do want to offer just a
quick call of action to the parents out there. Parents
doesn't mean you have a biological child.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Anyone who was leading parenting somebody to have that conversation
with your son about what the best policy is for
them to go by to save their life doesn't mean
they won't get arrested. I had to tell my brother
one time, who's thirty three one, who's not an LAPD officer.
I said, listen, bro, when they pull you over, because
we have a smart mouth, and he would talk back
to them. I said, I would rather you shut the
hell up then have these people put a bullet in

(25:19):
your head. So just be quiet, do what they tell
you to do. And we would we would handle it
as naa to be president or have are our attorneys
looking to it, But don't be out there pressing them
and being disrespectful because at the end of the day,
we still have to teach our folks how to respect authority.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, amazing points. I want to flow into our main topic,
white genocide, the great white lie. Trump had the President
of South Africa, Cerro Rambi Fosa in the in the
Oval office and he's telling him about what's going on
in sow that Trump is teaching him about that this

(25:56):
is the ultimate band's planning right, This is toxic masculinity.
Trump is telling the President of South Africa about South Africa.
Can we listen to the lie that Trump told the
president of South Africa.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
Death, horrible death.

Speaker 6 (26:13):
Death.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
I don't know to pick anyone white South Africans because
of the violence and racist.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Laws and oh my god, you so when you when you.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
Say what would I like to do? I don't know
what to do.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Just look at this white South African couple say that
they were attacked violent.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
So this is this is the badness from forty seven,
which then leads into people going on television taking his mindset,
his lies because he's repeating lies as if they are true,
and people go on TV and defend him, and then
the magas hear that, and here trying to go, well,
it must be true because Trump said it, and Roll

(26:56):
Scott Jennings talking to Abbey Philip about it.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
I mean, you're saying, it's not true that some white
farmers have been murdered.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
No, it's not.

Speaker 7 (27:03):
True that there is a genocide against white.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Okay, whatever you call it.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
Have white farmers been murdered?

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Actually?

Speaker 7 (27:07):
How many against how many white farmers? Hold on a second,
how many white farmers have been murdered?

Speaker 5 (27:12):
Several?

Speaker 2 (27:13):
I mean, oh how many?

Speaker 3 (27:14):
How many?

Speaker 7 (27:14):
I don't know several. I know why you don't know,
because those numbers don't exist broken down by race. There
are nineteen thousand murders in South Africa. Thirty six were
on farms. Seven of the farmers who were victims. Okay,
twenty nine victims who were included in the farm killings
were farm employees who tend to be black.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
I love Abby, Philip, doctor B Scott is trying to
make this about racism, right, and racism against white people,
and they love to be telling Black Africans you're the
real racist here right like and get into the white
victim of it at all, the white victimhood of them
at all. But there's a whole business aspect of it.

(27:57):
I want to get into the selective immigration part of
this because they let fifty nine white South Africa is why.
I don't know, but this is there's a whole profit
motive going on here.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
First of all, cis Abby, go off, Sis go off?
All right, I'm back, Torey, come back. Why are we
letting in South Africans? What do you mean? Our real president,
Elon musk is South African. We know why. Second of all,
what's going on in South Africa has to do with
it's a power move. It's a money move. And what

(28:29):
you said horey about you know, them trying to make
it a white genocide type of thing. There is a
word that I know of and I'm sure we all
can relate to. It's called the apartheid. Okay. This is
when everything was taking from the Africans that were there
that happened to look like us, all right, And because
of that, I've been in South Africa. Because of that,

(28:51):
any white person who owns a business in South Africa
has to have a Black African owned fifty one percent
of that business to be able to this is this
is South Africa's way of leveling out the playing field
for the equity that was taken from us back in
the and the apartheid time right, which is still going
on to this day. So when Trump and them are

(29:11):
going in there talking about, hey, you know we have
this this this starlink product and we're not tripping off
of or we don't care about black people having any
type of stock in it, what they're trying to do.
I'm telling you, what Elon Musk is trying to do
is do a reverse on on South Africa to say
hold on, so you say, in order for us white
folks to own a business, we got to give somebody

(29:32):
black fifty one percent because we took everything they had
from them anyways, and they don't have anything to work with.
We're still working in a deficit. If you ever visit
South Africa, that now, when I have my own big company,
which I'm gonna make it seem like South Africa needs
to control their crime rate so that we can have
a public safety there, okay, which that's not going to

(29:53):
create public safety, that's not going to lower the crime rate.
I'm going to tell you this, guess what nobody black
can or has to have. What he's doing, and he
said it, he said it loud on TV. He's leveling
out the playing field in South Africa because in his mind,
he said, there's a reverse racism going on on white people.
What he is saying is causing a white genocide. What

(30:15):
the are you talking about here? No, seriously, reverse racism
on a group of people who are still having the
biggest health care disparity in South Africa, that are still
having the biggest socio economic disparity inside. If you visit
South Africa, I've been to Johannesburg in Cape Town, Okay,
both of those countries have big military men setting out

(30:40):
with machine guns because it's that dangerous. I'll wrap with this.
When we landed in Africa, we called it Uber and
it was like ten o'clock. And I don't ask me
why we land in Africa that late. Please just give
me some grace. We got in our Uber. The uber
driver care running the red lights and running the south
sign all said, excuse me, sir uh, is there a
reason why we're running these lights. I don't want to
get hit. I don't want to get pulled over by police.

(31:01):
You know what he said to me. He said, ma'am,
if we don't run red lights and if we don't
run stop sign, we will not get ticket because police
officers know if we stop, guess what, we will more
than likely get robbed. That's how about. The crime rate
is out there and the crime is so what I'm
saying is this is all a business move. This is
all them trying to be assholes and do a reverse
uno on. Well, guess what you guys want to play victim.

(31:23):
We're gonna play for them and say it's reverse racism,
and then we're gonna we're gonna make you seem like
you need us in our business. So we can run
the check up stop Metri.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
One of the small, tiny good things out of all
this is Trump unwittingly has us talking about Africa and
caring about what goes on in Africa and seeing the
struggle of those sisters and brothers as linked to our struggle,
which what we talked about that around apartheid decades ago.
A lot of times we don't think about Africa now,

(31:53):
we don't talk a lot of brothers and sisters are
not going to Africa and are like, I don't want
to go to Africa, but their struggle is our.

Speaker 6 (32:01):
No, absolutely, I think the thing about it is this
isn't about South African refugees at all. It's about white
nationalism cloaked in immigration policies. The thing about Trump entirety,
in its entirety, all that this seems like the biggest
level of hypocrisy I've ever seen in my life. This
is literally stolen land we're on at the moment. And

(32:23):
the thing about it is, it's the truth hidden behind
propaganda and Elon's WiFi, Like it's this is absolutely ridiculous,
and you're absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
We had a clip from Center Mark Warner who basically
told us what was going to happen in this South
Africa Oval Office meeting. Let's see that.

Speaker 8 (32:44):
Pretty nice Tuesday morning bringing report from the front. I
don't know if anybody saw the Bloomberg article today. One
more example of where Elon Musk is using his influence
to extract ideal for his satellite company, Starlink before the
South African government comes to meet for tariff talks. Now,
South Africa has to change its laws to allow Starlink

(33:05):
to operate. But this coming on the heels of similar
changes of mindset from countries like Bangladesh and India, Pakistan
and others. Just remember this is all being done by
somebody who's also a special government employee. Talk to your friends,
talk to those who supported Donald Trump. Was this kind
of corruption what they were endorsing?

Speaker 1 (33:25):
No, the corruption is exactly the point, Sarah, that Elon
used this government, influenced this government to influence that government
for him personally to be enriched. That's what happened here.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
I totally agree, and it's it's wild even just the
smallest nuances that South African president came to the Oval
Office to talk about terrorists and somehow that turned into
to Trump saying the genocide that's happening. Look at these pictures.
This is the worst thing I've ever seen in my life.

(34:01):
Thousands and thousands of people are dying, and and we
why are all of these white farmers dying? I just
I just don't understand why they're all dying? Right, So,
in a true Trump fashion, Sarah, have you been there?
You know, I know that you have some golf buddies
that are from South Africa, and I know that you
guys have those conversations. However, as long as you haven't
been there, if you haven't seen the graves, if this

(34:23):
is all just rhetoric, at the end of the day,
you don't know whether it's true or not. Why are
you regurgitating and then also telling the president about his country.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
I am so confused by that. And what do we do.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
We're just like, oh, you know, if you're if you're impressionable,
So our job is not to be impressionable, right, we
allow this, We allow Trump to create a new truth
that literally came from thin air. So it's just absolutely
wild that that is that that that this is even
this is even in conversation right now. But it is
a money grab. I do believe that that ten thousand percent.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
You know, you're absolutely right that, uh, you know what
this is about. And Trump Trump has a lot of
nerve talking to somebody else about crime in their country.
And I wish that that Ramiphos had said, you know,
you have a lot of crime in your country. You
would incarcerate more people than any other country in the world.

(35:18):
What are you talking about, sir? Why don't you deal
with your problems in Chicago and Detroit and East Saint
Louis and whatever instead of telling us what I wish
just once some world leader would go into the Oval
office and tell right to beat you with That would
be the best.

Speaker 6 (35:36):
You know why he can't do that because he's trying
to secure his playing. He asking his man for us
about is what he can get a name. This the
whole to me, the whole presidency in itself is how
much Trump can leave with. Trump is trying to be
better than he was when he left, I mean when
he started.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
No, you're absolutely right that he has made a ton
of money being present, and then a lot of it
from the meme coin, which is just monetizing him being president.
It's like a fan club. It's a way for you
to give direct money directly to him because you like him. Right,
You're not supposed to make money off of the presidency.
You should actually actively work to make sure it appears

(36:17):
that you are not making buddy. But instead we have
Trump trying to make money in all. I mean, like
this Middle Eastern trip we just went through, he did.
He made money in Qatar, he made buddy in Saudi Arabia.
I mean like these are like the developer goes for
abroad to see what deals you get, not the president
goes to take care of us, doctor ban. What do

(36:37):
we do it here?

Speaker 3 (36:38):
First of all, can we just talk about what the
star link is just for a second, can we just
talk about this Internet, this high speed constellation operated internet.
Come on, y'all that they are trying to convince South
Africa that they need. What does internet do? It collects data?

(36:58):
What does internet? It collects all the information from what
people are looking at, browsing at locations, their information, their
credit cards, social security number, their address, their DNA, their ancestry,
dot com. At this point, so what do you think
these people want? Again, I said, this is a whole
big world, or they are trying to take over and

(37:19):
dominate the human race. Internet gives you the most valuable
thing and that's called data. That's called data. All you
need is data on people to control anything. This is
what it is. This is what it's about. It's a
power move. And like Sarah said, it's a money move.
And if they if they fall into this, South Africa
is going to be in trouble. I wish no I'll

(37:41):
land on this that that South African president had had
some cajones, like the woman president you probably know, Tory.
I can't think of her name. She told him check
this out, Negro. If you can't rock with the things
we need, guess what, deuces, We just won't give you
the resource us is that you've been getting from our country.

(38:02):
And she stood on it. Okay, now I forgot. I
don't want to quote the wrong name. You may know.
Help me out.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
I'm trying to remember who you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Family, Help me. I'm I both switched for her.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
I do love the point that you made about starlink
is there to collect their data, and what he did
at DOGE was collect our data. And he clearly understands
the importance and power that comes from having mass amounts
of data on tons and tons of people, and I

(38:39):
don't even understand what or why he would use that,
and like, what what is the problem to be?

Speaker 5 (38:45):
You get it?

Speaker 6 (38:46):
Ain't this the exact same problem we had with TikTok
in America?

Speaker 5 (38:51):
Come on, come on, wasn't a data collection we were?

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Are you not?

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Well?

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Wait wait wait yes?

Speaker 3 (39:01):
And Trump Trump wanted to shut it down unless they
let him own it so he can have the access
to the and own the damn data.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Demitri that that was the ostensible comment that they were
making about TikTok. I don't think that's really what's going on.
I think you're seeing and in meta say, we cannot
have a foreign competitor to what to our space, So
kick out the foreigners from our space. So that the

(39:32):
president's trying to help them kick the Chinese company out
of their That's what I think is really going right.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Okay, But he wants to but he has selective foreigners,
selective immigrant immigrants right because he's shore selected in South
Africa to be the foreigners that's going to be all
within our star link and all within our internet service.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
Can we see the video? Will gain one more time?

Speaker 4 (39:54):
Okay, before we go to the video, I just have
to say, we know that it's a money grab. What
you guys are saying that is so brilliant and it's
so true because when we think about it, the majority
of murder victims are poor, young black men. By the way,
and the pictures that Trump was showing are said to
have come from other African countries. And it's a known

(40:15):
fact that over eight hundred thousand Rwandans and four hundred
thousand Sudanese have been murdered to this date. And you
want to talk about forty graves. It's the worst thing
you've ever seen in your life, and it's forty graves. Like,
we have to get realistic with what is happening right
in front of our eyes. This is all about data,

(40:36):
This is all about control, This is all about power,
and this is all about money. If it was really
about a genocide, things all over the world would look different.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
No, you're right. My favorite part of the whole thing
you just referenced when Trump is showing this picture of
this horrific grave in South Africa and the President of
South Africa is like, that's not in South Africa, right.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Right, du what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (41:00):
So you're such a he's such a pathetic professor at
his horrific university is bizarro school. They're not even teaching
the right things this things that are not true right,
this whole I mean, like South African president should be
so offended by this present teach This is ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (41:26):
It's the light, it's the attention.

Speaker 6 (41:29):
You begin to believe people in their word because they
say it on such major platforms. His position automatically grants
validity to so many uneducated people and people willing to
uneducate themselves.

Speaker 5 (41:42):
That's the problem.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Well, it's a lack of education, but it's also the
bifurcation of our media. Right Like it used to be,
we all get the same newspaper all watch Walter Cronkite
or Dan Rather, we all hear the same things. And
now I look at a feed that is curated for
be right on. I don't look at Facebook, but people
my age look at Facebook or like a Huffington Post,

(42:05):
and other people look at an entirely different thing Drudge Report,
Fox News, QAnon whatever. So they're getting an entirely different
So the world to them looks at that. Joy Read
used to talk about it like we live on Earth
one and they live on Earth two, So like the
entire world is different to them. They don't even we
don't understand what they're doing. They don't understand because we

(42:25):
don't even hear their their lives, their I don't know,
doctor B what's going on?

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Joy read another black voice that what that's been silenced?
You see what I'm saying, right, right, right? And so
I mean my thing is again, I just feel like,
you know, all of this is something that's connected to
a much bigger picture. And when we don't have platforms
like Truetalks where we are providing real information that is

(42:51):
impacting us systemically and globally, then we do lose as
a race of people, not just a community of black people,
but we lose as a whole. We gotta have shows
like this or we're talking about things like Starlink. Most
people don't know what the hell that is until they
watch this show. We're talking about data being something that
collected does make money. Most people didn't know that. And
to go further, in order to have Internet, you have

(43:13):
to have a dish, right, you got to have a dish,
and you have to have that be put in that country,
and that dish in addition to data also is something
that allows people to have saddle like connection and saddle
like capacity and access to another country. All of this
is about taking over a vulnerable, marginalized country that already

(43:33):
needs help. This is sad, this is bullying, and this
is something that our people, by coming to shows like
two Talks, need and deserve to be privy to.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
I appreciate immensely how you've explained starlink and the data
situation and how that is over seeing all this because
I didn't realize this to the way you explained it.
So this is this is a quite extremely frightening situation
and related to the fifty nine white South Africans that

(44:04):
Trump allowed to come in a bizarre selective immigration. We
are trying to get rid of brown people, whether or
not it's legal, as fast as possible, but fifty nine
white South Africans because it's easier for them to assimilate.
Supposedly they were ushered into the country and given subsidies

(44:25):
and all these things. There was an amazing argument about
all of this in Congress between Senator Tim Kaine and
Secretary of Saint Marco Ruby.

Speaker 9 (44:34):
Let's see that wherever during the apartheid era in South Africa.
Did the United States establish a special program to allow
South African blacks who were treated as second class citizens
in the apartheid program, a special program so they could
claim refugee status in the United States.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
No, because that was probably in ninth grade or eighth grade.

Speaker 9 (44:54):
Yeah, well then I don't expect you to know. I'll
just tell you never, my.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
God, if anybody deserved immigration, it would have been those
who were suffering under apartheid. America used to be this
place where if you are struggling in your country, you
can come here, be it Cuba, Haiti, Russia, Czechoslovakia. If
you are struggling, if your country is repressing you politically

(45:21):
or militarily, you can come to America. We welcome you.
The embrace of immigrants from around the world is what
made us who we were. It made us strong, It
characterized America. And now it's like we are closed. Do
not come here unless you're white, do not come here.
We do not want you. We want to be this
old white country that cuts out everybody else. This is

(45:43):
not what America's about. It was always supposed to be
a group of people, right. This is the whole American experience.
The whole challenge of America. Can a broad group of
people live together right now? The answer is no, Dmitrios.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
This is what America was supposed to be about.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
To who, to you?

Speaker 3 (46:05):
To who? To Black Americans? To who to the Mexicans
who opened up their country first to us and said
before Abraham Lincoln abolished slavery and said, listen, in our country,
it won't be no slaves when they come here. There
is no slavery. To who to who? So to who
is this for? Let me explain something to you. When
Trump says make America great again, and he let in

(46:25):
fifty nine South Africans that don't look nothing like US
African Americans on here, what he's saying is make America
great again, is make whites superior, Blacks inferior, and the
damn Mexicans. That is what he's saying. That is what
he's saying. He said America that was great to them
again is them being superior. And guess what they have

(46:47):
become the minority. So why do you think they got
to bring in more white so they can get back
their majority, so they can get back their superiority. Because
at this point minorities are taking over and if we
could could collaborate and have think tapes and strategize, this
is the thing. We could literally be the power tank.
But we are not doing that again because we are

(47:10):
watching things like social media. We are watching narratives that
are teaching us things that do not benefit us in
the long term, and it don't benefit us in the
in the in the short term, there's only a painful
of leaders, Torrey that understand what's really going on. You're
one of them, I'm one of them. We are one
of them, doctor Sarah Dmitri are becoming more surrounded and

(47:31):
educated on these things.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
But we're getting the We're getting the numbers. As you say, right,
I mean people of color, including Asian folks who are
may be with us politically in any given moment, may
not right. Also, uh, Latino folks who are not necessarily
with us in any given political moments.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
I got to push that for a second. One second,
hold on, one second, one second, hold on, And I'm
gonna say two three words, and I promise I'll let
you go. There's no body and I get I in
Latina and Creole, and I'm gonna stand on what I'm
about to say, and I'll double down it. There is
nobody who is in it with us. Everybody's a colored
person when it's time to benefit from what we fight

(48:13):
for and from our policies and our laws. But when
it comes to fighting the things that deminds us, marginalize us,
despair us, and take us out, there is only one
person who stands for that, and that's black people. I'm
so tired of people saying people of color, no, everybody
doesn't stand for us when it's time to fight, when
it's time to be they do. So I'm on that

(48:36):
all the way, and I think.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
It's absolutely right. And I think there's a lot of
ways that other people of color who are not black
are not with us politically when we need them. I
think that's absolutely right. And obviously they're specific individuals who
are allies, but as general communal we saw in twenty
twenty four in the election, they do not necessarily stand
with us. But even as our numbers rise, as in

(48:59):
South Africa there's way more black people than white people,
it's wealth. The white minority in South Africa has the wealth.
The white majority in America has the wealth. And as
long as there's a massive wealth disparity and it's not
even about the entire white community, because there's plenty of
poor white people in New York and Appalachian on and

(49:21):
on and on. But all of the folks who are rich, no, no, no,
of the folks who are wealthy, they're almost all white,
and the non white ones are down with the white
people's program.

Speaker 8 (49:35):
Right.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
So, I mean, even as we move up slightly politically
over time, even as we move up as far as
demographics and population, we're not moving up in terms of wealth.
So we're not moving up in terms of power.

Speaker 6 (49:52):
I wholeheartedly agree with everything you say. The thing about
it is what we watch it right now is not
at all about refugees. It's about racism, about a fighting
fighting for a very long time. It doesn't matter what continent.

Speaker 5 (50:05):
You place it in.

Speaker 6 (50:06):
Like you said, the wealthy when anytime the black equality
becomes a condition all billionaire supreme socialism, every single time,
every time, and it's always going to happen. It's always
been that way. But my thing about it is, I'll
set this once before and i'll say it on here again.
We have to learn as a culture, as a community, economically, politically, financially,

(50:28):
in every aspect.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
To be war ready.

Speaker 6 (50:32):
And what that means is you you prepare for when
times like this come and things begin to turn or
flip over, or when we're the minority like or when
we're the minority, but not actually we're there. We're the
majority at this point. We will soon be.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Like you said, the black in Africa Africa.

Speaker 5 (50:54):
In Africa, the black is the majority. And without a
war room, you still cannot fight against.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
The And I just want to say I want Dimes made.
I want to say this for Dimetri really quick, because
you made you. You always have freaking teaching moments. I
love Yumitri. When you said, we're not the minority yet
here in the US, there are thirteen point four percent
African Americans, just so you know, the ratio of how
many of us are here, So we are very much
the minority as the one race of people. When you

(51:21):
start to add in the other people of color, then
of course that minority number raises. But there's only thirteen
point four percent of African Americans here in the US.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
I mean, you know, American law talks about what you
need to do or who you need to be to
be to who you what you need to do to
come into this country. It just not talk about who
you need to be. But somehow our government now thinks
that they can pick and choose who come roll the
clip boss.

Speaker 10 (51:49):
It doesn't require even handed The prioritize phrase says you
are entitled to entrance as a refugee if you demonstrate
a well justified fear of persecution, and not entirely so
we have a different standard based upon the color of
somebody's skin.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Would that be except well, I'm not the one arguing that.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Apparently you are because you don't know the.

Speaker 10 (52:08):
Fact that they're right, and that's whether to say that
would be on well, no, I would say a very
easy thing. In the United States, has a right to
pick and choose who they allow it to the.

Speaker 9 (52:16):
Even based on the color of somebody's skin.

Speaker 10 (52:18):
I want say, you're the one that's talking about the
color of their skin, not me. These arms turned down
and they were killed in hand the color of their skin.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Okay, so there is not genocide in South Africa.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
They were not being attacked because of.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
The color of their skin. I generally would go along
with Marco that you don't have to accept every person,
but like you're not doing that in good faith, because
you're not saying we're gonna give everybody a chance to
come here. We're saying we want more white people and
we want black and brown people to not come. That
is not how we're supposed to run these sorts of

(52:54):
systems based on pure racism. Sarah, I just feel.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
Like, here we go again with this manipulating switch of
the hand. Strategic. They're so strategic with rolling out what
they're going to do and how exactly they're going to
give us the short end of the stick. And then
they they they curtain it and call it policy. They
curtain it and call it safety. They curtain it and

(53:20):
call them that they're there. It's like the White Saviors complex.
It's happening all over and around, right, And so for me,
this is happening all over again. Even when you go
back to the starlink conversation. First, it started out with land, right,
they came, they took the land, and they made everybody
else slave to what they had going on. And now
in Africa, we already we already, we already got you,

(53:41):
right because we know that you need us as your allies.
We already got you in that way. But on top
of that, what we're going to do is we're going
to make sure that that the that the data that
we're getting is oh, oh goodness, I lost my train
of thought.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
The data we're getting is.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
That the data that they're getting is essentially it. There's
no opportunity. Why is it that Starlink is able to
say no one gets to have.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Not one South African gets to have ownership inside of starlink.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Not one South Africans get to make any of the
money off of one is not one black South African Sarah, No,
they don't get that.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
But you get to come in, You get to use
the people as you want, You get to use the
land that you want, You get to put in this
technology as you'd like, You get to steal the data.
This all over again is how colonialism was built. Oh,
village and killing. That isn't it all they've ever done.
This is another pillage to the South Africans, and they

(54:40):
refuse to look at it that way. They refuse to
stand up and say no. Instead, what is our South
African president doing? He's trying to be friends, He's trying
to be so nice, while Trump sits there in disrespects
and saying.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
You need to buy me a plane or you need
to offer me a plane? Are we?

Speaker 4 (54:54):
I came here to talk about tariff cirqu I did
not come here to talk about a plane. I did
not come here to I guess not really to talk
about startling. But how can we work? You're talking about
genocide that's not even real?

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Zara Zarah? Is this the worst president of all time?

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Oh, I'm Canadian.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (55:20):
Is it the worst of all time? A lot of them? One? Yeah,
another one of the ones.

Speaker 5 (55:26):
That's it. That's all I see.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Doc, You got him worst of all time, of all time?

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Yes, of all time? Yes, yes, yes, yes, I want
to say I want to go back to that video
real quick, though, Torre, because what the senator is clearly
saying is that the US doesn't see or deem white
people as immigrants. My love, it doesn't matter where they
come from. Guess what if they wipe, they write, they're

(55:52):
not immigrants. That's what he's saying. He's saying that if
they come from South Africa, they come from Europe, if
they come from anywhere, if they're white, then they're not
an immigrant. That's what they're trying to explain is that
there is an entitlement in a privilege with being white.
He tried to dissipate and demids the fact that the

(56:12):
skin color thing. Let's go past that. Then DNA, DNA
says you white. So guess what, US doesn't deem you
as an immigrant, So you have every right to be
on this land. That's exactly what they're saying in our face,
directly in loud. This is so freaking loud, and this
is why the black voice is so important because who

(56:33):
else is this loud in our community as loud as
they are.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
No, you're right that for Trump, it is critical to
protect white people and for white people to know I
am here for you. I remember in twenty sixteen, my
friend Van Jones was going around interviewing Trump voters right
at a time when we were still shocked that there
were any Trump voters, And consistently in these interviews, he's

(56:57):
sitting in these people's living rooms, right in living rooms
he would never be invited into if he wasn't with CNN,
and people are saying to him, not being asked, but
volunteering to him, this is our last chance, because they
understand the demographics are moving against them we are going
toward a minority majority country and they are afraid of that,

(57:19):
and they are voting based on that. And Trump told
them they heard it through. They heard it, they heard
the dog whistle. I am here for white people. I
will protect white people. And this shows them I will
protect white people anywhere in the world.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
Go ahead to be treat No, You're exactly right. It's
absolutely fucking ridiculous.

Speaker 6 (57:40):
I think it's amazing that you comparative when you look
at everything they're doing and the treatment of every other
immigrant that is being kicked out or revolted access or
even just those in South Africa, compared to the whites,
it's completely illogical.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Sarah, I agree.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
It's getting to a point where everything we've ever built
has been taken from us, or even when we it's
like we always start out in a deficit. And this
goes back to why community inside of the black community
is so important. When you think before the Tulsa fires
happened and you think about the Jim Crow laws, well,
the Gym Crow laws forced us to have to purchase

(58:23):
from one another. It forced our economy to be strong
because the dollar was navigating inside of the black community
creating more buildings, and.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Then what happened. It did get burned down the old
Black Wall Street.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
Right.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
But it's literally like we have already seen bits and
pieces and snippets of what it looks like for us
to work together, for us to really be a community
and to know that we have come back. I don't
want to bring it all the way back to slavery,
but literally to start in a deficit and be where
we are at is so powerful. But in order for

(58:56):
us to make sure that we don't regress all over again,
we have to come together and we have to create community.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Doctor ban You know, so much of my life has
been shaped by going to college and being an African
American Studies major and learning about our history, our people,
our philosophies, and all.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Have an African American study degree as well to Ray technique.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
And you know, as Trump is attacking universities and attacking
blackness and black people and black history and trying to
keep universities from even teaching young people who are us
that now, right then I fear for people who are

(59:43):
like me, who are like you, who are eighteen, nineteen
twenty and need to be reading France Fannan and James
Baldwin and Tony Morrison, you know, in Belle Hook, so
they can more deeply understand the black experience.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
All right, and your book and your book. I've been
reading your book because you wrote a whole book about this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Yes, for sure, but they're taking away those opportunities. And
you think about how many voices are being erased, You
think about how many spirits are being expunged, You think
about how much this information is critical to making us
the best people that we can be for our community.

(01:00:20):
And taking away this education about black history, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
So sad, Torey. You know what my thing is, This
shit ain't new. It's just loud. You know what happened
in the Civil rights era. You know what happened the
Civil rights era when it got real loud. It wasn't new.
You know what they did, MLK, Malcolm X, the freedom fighters,
you know what they did, NAACP. You know what we did.
We just got louder. So this ain't new, is just loud.

(01:00:49):
So which means is it's time for us to just
become louder again. That's all that means. And it's time
for us to mobilize. It's time for us to put
new leadership in position. It's time for us to have
folks like Dmitri and the doctor Sherih, these younger folks
who will be malleable enough for us to tee them up,
open up doors, shut up shop, and put the ass

(01:01:10):
in office as we continue to teach and show them
so at some point Dmitrie's son could be running for
office behind somebody else's daughter or son. That's how you
do it. We have to strategize, and then we have
to let our white allies into position as well and
keep their commitment to us, because with thirteen people in
the US, we can't do it alone. Allyship is important,

(01:01:31):
but it ain't new baby, it's just loud.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
This is the Dmitri's The last thing I want to
try to bat around. Did the South African president did he?
Did he screw his people that he screwed us? Stick
because people got screwed. I'm not sure if he screwed
us as black people.

Speaker 5 (01:01:54):
But you know what, you think.

Speaker 6 (01:01:56):
The thing about it is when you actually sit and
think about it, he couldn't have screwed us because he
never included us.

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
We were never included in him. He doesn't see us
in him. So the thing about it is to.

Speaker 6 (01:02:10):
Say he screwed us, or he betrayed us, or anything
of that nature.

Speaker 5 (01:02:15):
We were never his people. That's never how he viewed
black You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:02:20):
But another thing what clears me in all of this
is to how they can't believe we see their playbook.

Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
They distract us with fear.

Speaker 6 (01:02:31):
They deal in white favor, and then they disguise at
all as democracy. It's insane to me. I don't get it.
But I don't see a sellout. I see a man
who does not understand he's being called come on.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
I wonder what he got, what he was given, either
positively or negatively, the threats that he was given, or
if he was getting some gifts that moved him that
would then allow him to say, Okay, we're going to
change the laws so Elon can have what he wants.
But I want to address that you said with a
story that that lives in my heart. And I love

(01:03:11):
my African brothers and sisters, but let's be real. Many
of y'all don't think that you are brothers and sisters
with us. And I experienced that first.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Say with black Americans with black Americans.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
I went to Senegal, I and I and I went.
I went by myself. I got off the plane, I
went like deep in, like don't take me to touristy shit,
like I want to go like real stuff. So I'm like,
I'm like deep in it, like in like a hut,
like where there's like no running water, like real shit
like whatever. And this little kid comes up to me.

(01:03:47):
And I had learned the word for white men in
their language, and he and his and like three women
were standing behind what one was clearly his mother and
two of the other aunties whatever, And the kid goes
white man and he points at me, and I understood
his mistake, and I said to him very calmly, no,

(01:04:08):
I'm black like you. And the three women behind him
laughed like I was Chris Rock making a joke, like
that was the most ridiculous thing that they had ever heard.
And that was not the only time I was called
white man. The entire time I was hid Africa, and
I fell closer to Africa, but it also in general,
but it also made me feel disconnected from Africa. That's

(01:04:29):
so over there. One drop of white blood, you're white, right,
like here, one drop of black blood. You're with us
over there, one drop of there, but you're with them.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
So and I know we got a rap for ray,
but you're one hundred percent right. When I went to
South Africa and Johannesburg, where were on thiscursion doing our thing,
and we were in the depth of of of uh Soweto,
and they kept referring to me as a white woman,
and I was waiting to be there. Oh, I wasternally,

(01:05:00):
but I would never externalize that that to them because
I never want to disrespect them or their country as
a visitor. So I was like, and then I asked
one of the guy. I said, well, so I'm confused.
I am black, what makes me look white? And he goes,
if if there was something that went down like a
war right now, he said, you would be protected in
place with the white people. And I'm like, I'm thinking,

(01:05:22):
I want to say and say, I'm thinking, as much
as I fight for us back in the States, let
me tell you something, brother, I'm as black as it comes.
But I let him have it. I respected his opinion
and I just kept on in our in our in
our right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
But I want to hear come in the comments and
tell me if I'm wrong. But I think a lot
of Africans are like you white, right. But also, this
is an amazing topic, and at one some point we're
gonna have to deal with colorism because that is one
of those issues that black people don't want to talk about. Yes,
but shit is real. You talked about pretty privilege, which

(01:06:00):
you have. We also have light skin privilege in this community,
and that is a very real thing. Proximity to whiteness
will make you see tutor and all the other things. Right,
So that is something that we have to deal with
on this show because we're dealing with it in our community.
You guys are awesome. You brought your heart, you brought
your whole soul today. You kept it real. I love

(01:06:23):
you guys. You guys are awesome. Thank you, you're the ship.
Extra points for doctor for mentioning my book. The merits
for you two. You don't didn't mention the book, maybe
not even aware of the book.

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
I usus read the.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Book before.

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
Episode. I'm dropping the book right away.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
I actually agreed with you twice this episode. I said listen,
I said two words. You're right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
I agree with you a lot too. I hope that
doesn't make you throw up after the show. Doctor, You're awesome, Darrah,
You're awesome to beat you. You're okay too. You guys
killed it today. This is the way this show is.
It's a family who comes together, debate. Are you make
you a little smarter?

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