AMAs, Morgan vs. Post Malone, and Bruce Springsteen :: Ep 59 Try That in a Small Town Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If I was Post Malone in that position, I would have
gone after the show.
I'm calling up Morgan, I'mgoing.
Hey, dude, this is your award.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I can't accept this.
Well, maybe you did we all knowit.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yeah, he might have.
It would be cool because heknows and everybody else on the
planet and Mars knows, thatMorgan Wallen deserves that
award.
I agree At every award.
Deserves that award.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
At every award show that's ever televised it.
But Tom Brady did not EasyCareful.
No, Tom Brady could have playedanywhere in the NFL and
succeeded Okay.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
You're out of your depth.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
I'm not out of your depth.
If you want to talk footballwith me, then let's go.

Speaker 5 (00:46):
The camera was on the Wake Forest coach.
You know who's been around, youknow for a while.
He's a very solid coach andthey caught him on camera.
You know saying an explicit andthen a how do you?

Speaker 3 (00:59):
say what does the explicit start with?
Well, F.

Speaker 6 (01:01):
It starts with an F.

Speaker 5 (01:06):
And then listen, start well f, it starts with an
f, and then uh, and, and then uh, you know, I guess you would
say this day time a homophobicslur, you know after that.
So so it's two which one?
Two f's.
So two f's word, one f.

Speaker 7 (01:16):
Second word f, but an old school word the try that in
a Small Town Podcast begins now.
Try that in a Small.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Town.
All right, welcome back.
This is the Try that in a SmallTown Podcast coming to you from
the Patriot Mobile Studios,there's good energy here tonight
.
There is.
There's some good juju.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
It's just the four of us.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Four of us.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
You never know what's going to happen.
They're talking about theratings you don't.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
It's just the four of us.
Four of us.
You never know what's going tohappen.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
They're talking about the ratings, you don't, so
let's introduce everyone Forthose of you that are new to the
podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
we've got Neil Thrasher.
Neil Thrasher, why don't youjust use my full name.
What is your full name?
Joe McNeil Thrasher Jr.
Joe Neil, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Is it?
Are you a junior Joe?
Neal Joe, neal Joe Neal.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
And then there's Kelly.
Is that your given first nameor middle name?

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Ronald, right, ronald , is that the first name?

Speaker 5 (02:18):
Ronald.
No, it's not Ronald.

Speaker 6 (02:21):
I thought that what is your given, john?

Speaker 3 (02:23):
John.

Speaker 5 (02:24):
Kelly, we knew that.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Gosh Kelly, it should have been Linda.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
We already told that story, I know it.

Speaker 6 (02:30):
Present.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
How am I not remembering that story, army?
You remember that army story?

Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yeah, it was a long one.
Okay, well, I don't remember alot.
Anyway, that's.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
K-Lo.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
We have Tully.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
I know Tully's middle name.
What's Tully's middle name?
Martin Tully, I know.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Tully's middle name.
What's Tully's middle?

Speaker 5 (02:46):
name.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Martin.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Tully, I like that, martin Martin.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
Kennedy Strong, tully , martin Strong, strong, strong
like bull.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
And then I am Kurt Fondue.
Kurt Fondue, kurt MichaelFondue.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yes, michael Fondue, it's a never-ending flow of
cheese.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Or chocolate Confondue.
Yeah, I guess you could do thattoo.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
Yeah, there's chocolate.
I don't know what I preferChocolate.
I do.
Yeah, I'd rather clean thechocolate one than the cheese
one after a party.
Let me ask y'all something.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
When you're in show business.
Is there such thing as badpublicity?
Well, the adage would be thatthere is no such thing as bad
publicity.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
You're asking if that is true or not.
Yeah, yeah, most cases I'vefound it's not.
Well, it's good, it's a goodthing publicity is just public.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
There are a couple instances where I would think
the person would say this is notgood publicity.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Well, look what cheryl crow did to us.
She came out and that's oursong.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Then she's right back in the news, maybe maybe, maybe
that's a smart thing, though Doyou think it hurt, springsteen?

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Oh, his rant that he yeah.
So what was that?
He was at a concert and then hedecided he was overseas, right?

Speaker 1 (03:55):
He was overseas number one.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
That was his first mistake, and then he decided he
felt comfortable over theredoing it.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
So what did he do?
Did.
So what did he do?
He bashed Trump.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Or was it the country in general?
What did he say?
It was pretty much both.
Pretty much both yeah.
So you're asking if that's goodpublicity.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
No, I don't think For him, I don't.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
I just don't get it.
I actually just don't get it.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
I don't know why he would risk that.
I mean we all grew up listeningto and he was.

Speaker 6 (04:25):
He was america yeah, he was like he was the.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
He was the dude we listened to, born, you know.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
Yeah, I wanted to run all this other stuff and and I
still say as much as I mean theborn in the usa album.
I still listen to that album.
It still sounds amazing.
Every song on the album's great.
I love springsteen.
I hate it when they get to apoint where maybe, maybe it's
like the like denaro thing it'sexactly like.
Maybe you get to the point whereyou've got so much money and so

(04:52):
much stature and you just feelthis freedom to really just say
whatever comes to your mind,with zero filter, because you
don't need a filter when you'vealready got everything.
So what?
Yep, so really, there's nothingto lose, I would say that's
very astute.
Well, it's like bono.
Yeah, bono's the same way.
I love you too, yeah, but youknow when you get you know the

(05:13):
last what?
15 or maybe more years he'sbeen super outspoken, so I don't
know.
I think you, just you, youdon't care as much.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
Well, and it is the main the mainstream narrative of
yeah you know trump bad, yeah,and like you said, no matter
what happens, he's going to befine you know there'll be a huge
contingent of people no, I meanhe's not going to go bankrupt
he's no, he's, no, he's going tobe absolutely fine forward oh
yeah, but I but, like telly said, I really I think once you get

(05:45):
to that point where you're sosuccessful, and so I mean, his
biggest days are behind him- forsure as a celebrity.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
I will say this though I think, yeah, he's got
plenty of money and if that'sall he cares about, then he's
going to be fine.
But guys like him, as big as heis, they care about what people
think about him.
They care about that and itaffects them.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
I really do, I think he thinks, most people back him.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
And if he does, then I'm going to bring the age thing
in to play here.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
I think De.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Niro.
I think him, I thinkSpringsteen De Niro.
I think there's some wiringbecause of their age.
That is kind of misfiring uphere derangement there is.
There's a little bit of thatgoing on, and and uh, it's
starting to show, and they lettheir mouth go off when it
shouldn't.
Well, don't you?

Speaker 4 (06:36):
think, when you get older and I'm, you know, I'm not
that old yet, but I'm gettingthere at the older you get, the
more maybe stuck in your waysyou get and you become De Niro's
age and Springsteen's age andyou just become stubborn and
you're so set on something that,no matter what someone says,
you can't be talked out of it.
It's like my grandfather Sameway.

(06:57):
He was so stubborn until hepassed away.
You couldn't change his mind onanything.
Is there any of that in there?

Speaker 3 (07:09):
And maybe getting older just being so standing on
that soapbox.
So who do you think is the moststubborn at this table?
Oh boy, that'd be me.
He looked right at you, neil.
Who do you think's the most?

Speaker 1 (07:16):
and I take that as a compliment yeah, because you
probably.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Actually I don't know if you take that as a
compliment.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Thank you yeah, I do.
Do you really think?
Let me pose another question Doyou, numbnuts, really think, do
you think that, because youthink that Springsteen and De
Niro not De Niro I'll use thisI'll direct this to Springsteen

(07:45):
you think he knows anythingabout what he writes about
Middle America?
You think he knows anythingabout it?
I think he did.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
I think you know he's a Jersey guy.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
I think he used to, maybe, maybe back in the day.
Do you think he knows he canrelate to any farmer in Kansas
at all?

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Well no, I'll say, in Kansas at all.
Well no, I'll say, but also Imight not be the guy to ask.
I've never been a hugeSpringsteen fan anyway.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Well, I mean, I haven't either.
I appreciate his talent and hisart and his ability to write a
song and deliver it.
I appreciate all of that.
But for them to sing the songsthat they've sung over the years
and be the staple of middleAmerica and the heartland of
America and all this stuff, andthen they get up and start
spewing stuff in another countrybecause they're in another

(08:32):
country, he would never say whathe said in the States.
He would never say that Forsome reason In his right mind he
would never say that.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
For some reason, Trump hit a button in some of
these people.
That just blew the lid off ofit.
That's true.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
And it was like just ripped the band.
Is it funny how, all everythingthat we discuss about this
stuff, it all comes back totrump every bit of it.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
I just look it always does and you're right, but
you're allowed to not look.
I didn't like biden aspresident.
I didn't.
I didn't.
A lot of people did, a lot ofpeople didn't, we didn't.
That's my right not to like him.
It's a lot of people's rightnot to like Trump.
I still always respected thepresidency.
Yeah, you respect the president.
You know what I don't, what I'dlike to ask Springsteen, and

(09:12):
maybe he'll come on, I don'tknow.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Jim, have we put in the guest?
Did you ask Springsteen yet?

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Okay, but I, I just want to ask him.
Okay, you definitely don't haveto like Trump for sure.
I just want tell me why.
Don't tell me because he's aracist and a rapist, or Hitler,
or Hitler.
Just tell me why.
Because you know the narrativegets spun crazy Because there's

(09:42):
a genuine.
I mean they hate him.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
It's funny how it always comes back to him.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
Neil, were you the one that said that Eric Church
is not playing Springsteen?
I?

Speaker 1 (09:53):
had heard.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
We don't know if that's true.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
It's an interesting I'm not confirming this, but I
had heard that he had gotten orthere had been some boos when he
went into Springsteen.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, it's maybe something like that.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
And that's going to happen with his fan base.
It's just going to happen and Iwouldn't doubt it for a minute.
I wouldn't be a bit shocked ifI was at an Eric Church show and
he went into Springsteen andthis wave of boos started
happening, yeah, and that hewould have to take it out of his
show wouldn't surprise me a bit.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
Well, eric's the kind of guy that would leave it in a
show for spite, you know,because, eric, and that'll blow
over, yeah, and it's likeanything else, like you know, a
seven days news cycle, you know,will it affect springsteen?
No, he, he could put a tourtickets on sale and they'll sell
out you.
But Springsteen, he's a legendand I love Springsteen.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
You really think so, you think he'd sell out?
I don't know if he's sellingout.
Look what happened to thechicks.
Look what happened to thechicks.
I'm just saying.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
It's hard to you know where he did it.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
People love their country here man well, let's put
, I mean he's overseas for areason because he is making more
money over there than he is.
That's.
That's so ballless to do thatoverseas.
I'm like really yeah, andreally I don't understand it's
so safe to bash america fromsome other country so, yeah, and

(11:16):
like I said, maybe, maybe youknow.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
It's like who really knows that it happened?
Who doesn't know that ithappened?
Who's who cares?
Who's you know?
I hate to see it because youknow he is.
You talk about our songwritersand our icons.
You know he's up there.
All right, I'm like kurt.
Do I love everything he did?
No, I love born in the usa andand some of his solo stuff.
I thought tunnel of love.

(11:40):
I thought was great, reallygreat, you can.
The same argument can be madefor mellencamp.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
You know mellencamp's a miserable person, I know you
know, from everything you hear,he's just a terrible, terrible,
and he's terrible to people he'sawful to people.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
It's awful to people he works with or yeah people
that work for him.
And you know, I mean it's, it'suh doesn't mean that I don't
love you know well, yeah albumslike I used to.
But it's like with Petty.
Here's a great thing.
I'm the biggest Petty fan.
Love Tom Petty.
He's inspired a lot of writers.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
I love Tom Petty.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
But he came out and basically said that he really
hates this was like 2006, 2007,2008 somewhere how much he hates
new country music.
I'm saying to myself you knowwhy?
Is it and I love petty.
But why is it like this genrehas to stay like it in the in
the old school box rock and rollyou can.

(12:35):
You can rock and roll such awide you know genre, so many you
know it's a good point radioheads rock and roll, uh, stp's
rock and roll, malincamp's rockand roll, petty petty saying
when he was saying I don't likenew country music, it should be
like this well yeah, it's notlike traditional.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Well, like you said to your point, it's like man.
Music evolves, whatever genreit is.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
I love buddy holly, yeah, it doesn't mean that well
they.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
They only usually say that because their career is on
the decline.
It's usually the only reason.
That's the truth.
I think they only makestatements.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Well, when he said that you know he had, I think he
had put out, uh, the last djpetty record and that was a very
strange kind of record andmaybe you're right about that.
Love petty, love springsteen,love them all it does, it does.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
I wonder if they're getting older, like that's just
like it's real easy to dish yourown country in from another
country.
It's real easy to do that.
You sound real tough.
Come across as this tough youknow over there.
Yeah, if he, if he'd have donethat in freaking, you know, yeah
, you know, down in Mississippi.

Speaker 6 (13:44):
Mississippi, I mean Tupelo, if he was playing the
Coliseum in.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Tupelo Mississippi.
He can't say that.
They wouldn't have let him saythat he would have gotten booed
off stage and lights would havecome on and he would have gone
back to the house.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
I'd just love to know what is going on.
What's his main complaint rightnow?
Hollywood elite, hollywoodelite.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
That's his main complaint right now Hollywood,
elite Hollywood elite.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
That's his problem, that's all their problem, every
one of them.
They become Hollywood.
Elites Period Started strongtonight.
Well, I mean it just is what itis.
I like it.
I mean, he's Sprungstein now.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
How do you feel about Beyonce winning best country
album?
I'm calling him.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Sprungstein, sprungstein.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
What is he?

Speaker 1 (14:31):
He's Sprungstein, sprungstein.
Yeah, it's over Sprungstein,sprungstein.

Speaker 6 (14:36):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Another hat, perhaps Right?
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
I just gave everybody out there a reason to make
another T-shirt, yeah.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
Sprungstein, you're on fire, we won't make anything
from it.
No, no Again.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Well, let's keep you wound up.
How'd you feel about Beyoncewinning the best?
I didn't know what you won.
What was the best country?

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Let's see Female country.
Wait a minute.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
Female country ever, the best country, female country
, female country ever.
I didn't write it down becauseI knew Neil would know no, no,
no, no.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
I wrote a speech, but I won't, wasn't it a beautiful
moment, but what was it?

Speaker 3 (15:14):
the AMAs?
Yeah, the American Music Awards.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean I'm like you know what Igot At the end of the day I
started thinking I'm like who inNashville allowed that to
happen?
It shows you how powerlessapparently some people are in
Nashville to allow that tohappen.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Nashville doesn't have any power in that show
anyway.
They must not, they don't.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
It's fan voted and if you believe that that's what it
says on the website,springsteen is a true American.

Speaker 5 (15:46):
If you believe that that's what it says on the
website Springsteen is a trueAmerican, if you believe that
that's what it says on thewebsite.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
I know it.
I looked it up too.
I left it on.
We've been over this.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
So you looked it up too.
Yeah, it said it's a fan voted,which is total horseshit.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
We all know that.
So we're saying it's not fanvoted.
No, it can't be.
Jim, make a clip of this, maybewe can go viral.
There's no way.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
But I had a different thought on it though.
Like American Music Awards,like, country is not near the
biggest format of music, sothere's more fans that would
vote that wouldn't necessarilybe country fans, so it would
make sense that more pop artistswould get most of the awards.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Most, they will Insert Nashville power lack of
right there For Nashville.
As big as this city's becomeand as big as country music, as
big as Morgan Wallen is, as bigas I mean, we're streaming like
crazy right now.
He's streaming like crazy ForNashville to let that happen.

Speaker 6 (16:41):
Morgan did win something it got bombed it's
kind of like our highway system.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
You know, they let it get bombed.
We're too big Now we can't gettraffic in.
I don't know how we got ontraffic, but it's the truth.
We have no power here.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
We have zero power here.
We're probably in the historyof it.
I mean the Grammys, amas, manNashville's not super well
represented anyway, I don'tthink it's brand new.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Definitely not with the Grammys.
That's always been the case,For sure.
It's always the pet LA.
What they want to haverepresent country music.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
Here's the thing the Grammys.
You brought up a great memory.
It was meys.
It was me, neil.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
It was me, Neil.
You're on fire tonight.
You're on fire today.
It was me.

Speaker 6 (17:32):
Caleb.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
Oh, caleb's here.
Everybody welcome, caleb.
Hello, I guess.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
No, you mentioned Springsteen and this is so funny
how all this happened.
So what year was it we werethere with Kelly Clarkson?
Do you want to say 12?

Speaker 3 (17:46):
I'm very bad at this game 11, 12.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
I just don't want to stay.
So it was somewhere in there.
We're at the Grammys playing Doyou want to stay?
And we have rehearsal the daybefore.
And we're walking in torehearsal and we're in line and
literally right next to me isSpringsteen and his wife and I
could barely.
I was like, oh crap, that'sBruce Springsteen and we watch

(18:12):
him do soundcheck.
And that was a great year,remember?
Bruno Mars was exploding.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Ricardini, was there?
Ricardini, yeah, it was a greatshow.
He soundchecks.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
I'll never forget it.
That soundcheck he had youwould have thought it was
Madison square garden on aFriday night and this was
whatever it was morning.
It's like 11 o'clock in themorning during soundcheck he was
jumping off the riser.
I was like man, this is amazing.
And then you have this wholething now where it's like one
guy Trump has, and then you havethis whole thing now where it's

(18:43):
like one guy Trump hasliterally exposed everybody.
It's like now we're talkingabout do we like Springsteen?
It's like man, do I like?
I mean, I think I do, but it'sweird, isn't it?
How like so the last few yearshave been so, but he put himself
there.
Right, it's his own fault, Iagree, but it's crazy how that

(19:04):
even made me think about weweren't even talking about this
kind of stuff.
It wasn't that long ago.
It's a shame we're having totalk about this stuff.
We're talking about De Niro,who I really love.
De Niro, I was watching theIrishman today.
Are you a De?

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Niro fan Kalo.
I love a lot of his movies, butyeah, once he started coming
out and bashing everything.
You can't argue with that youlook at him differently.

Speaker 5 (19:23):
You just see it differently.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
It's true, I look at him like poor old guy.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
He's just a grumpy old man.
Poor old guy's losing it.
Who's the celebrity that youhate?
The?

Speaker 1 (19:33):
most.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Who's the celebrity that just irks you.
I don't hate anyone, okay, nothate, but just irks you.
That was the most loving thingI've ever heard you say.
That's a good question.
I'm very critical of people's.
I don't judge anybody.
I don't hate anybody, okay,okay, let's not go that far.
Who irks you?
Deniro?
Yes, does deniro irk?

Speaker 1 (19:54):
you.
He's the first one that comesto mind.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
Yeah for sure, for sure.
I mean we're, we're right there.
I mean the two that we'vementioned right off the top, I
think of for a second yeah,there's others's others, they're
the most outspoken for celebs.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Political people that I don't like very much Ellen
DeGeneres.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
I don't even care.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
She left.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Actually I respect her because she's the first one
that actually moved out of thecountry.
I respect her.
She actually kept her word.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
The first liberal I know she actually kept her word.
The first liberal I know ofjust kept her word.
Rosie O'Donnell did too Goodfor her man.
I respect her.
I'm glad she's gone Good I missher so much.
Whoopi Goldberg.
It'd be cool if she moved.
Be nice Again.
Here's another story, Whoopi,though so again, I agree.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
She's just angry, my son and my wife are in LA and
he's out there.
I can't remember he was outthere auditioning or something
and they're at a restaurant andWhoopi Goldberg was like two
seats away.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
Matt, matt or Nell, my wife goes.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
No, listen, listen, my wife goes.
Kelly, that's Whoopi Goldberg,you know she's famous and he
walked up to her and she talkedto him for like 20 minutes, just
advice about acting, and reallysweet.
And so, yeah, I don't like.
I don't like where she, how shesays stuff and where she stands
, but yet when he was wearing amaga hat though would she have
done that?

(21:18):
No well, I don't, I don't think.
So.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, lord, no, but you know it was nice of her to
do that for a person.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
I agree it brings me back to my thing.
It's like okay, Larry David, Ilove Larry David.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Love Larry David he hates Trump.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
He hates Trump.
But I will not.
I still love Larry David.
Yeah, I have to.
He's the funniest person I'veever seen.
Yeah, so it just brings back tothe point of what Trump and the
hatred did to a lot of thesepeople.
It just drove them crazy.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Well, and the funny thing is, whoopi and Trump used
to be tight.
A lot of these celebrities andTrump used to be tight, that's
my question to you Uh-oh, howdid Ted Danson do it?

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Because she is not a pretty woman.
She is not.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
And I look at Ted Danson and say, dude,
everybody's beautiful tosomebody.
You're very agreeable tonight.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
That's a gross answer .
You're so agreeable, he's apeople pleaser.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
You are a people pleaser, I mean Ted.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Dance has money and he was at the top of his game.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
I mean he'd come off cheers.
It was like crazy in movies,and whoopee, that is a tough
morning of his game.
I mean he'd come off cheers.
It was like crazy in movies andWhoopi, that is a tough morning
.
Look, dude, when the sun comesthrough the blinds and there's
Whoopi, it's like whoa.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Ted Whoopi, I'm just saying.

Speaker 6 (22:38):
Oh my.

Speaker 9 (22:38):
God, it is tough though.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
I mean, that's my question to you guys.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Back to the AMAs.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Who?
That's my question.
You guys Back to the AMAsWhoopi Goldberg or Ellen Jenner,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
What's the question, Neil Do?
Y'all I mean what did you thinkthe first time?
No, when you saw Beyonce winfemale country and Post Malone
win male country.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
I kind of thought not in total line with Caleb, but
that's the system, man.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
But what do you think ?
Personally, I want to knowpersonally, personally, I go.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
I see it.
Whatever I'm scrolling I don'tknow if it was Insta or X or
whatever and I see that and I gooh my God, are you kidding?
And I did laugh and I waspissed at the same time.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
And that takes me back to where I went mentally
the first time.
I was like what is Nashvilledoing?
How can we allow this to happen?

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Oh, they love it.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
What are you kidding me?
Are you kidding me?
They can't Are you kidding?

Speaker 4 (23:30):
me.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Nashville.
They love it.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
Really you think so.
The business people inNashville, they love that.
Beyonce won that.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Why?
How does it benefit Nashvillethat she won?
I think they love the look.

Speaker 6 (23:42):
Sorry, I don't know.
Really it's tough.
I'm not saying the artists do.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
I'm saying the industry loves the diversity.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Of that there's no doubt.
Let me throw this out there,sorry.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
I see what you're saying.
I can see every big label.
I get it.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Listen to me, I totally get it.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Every big label head.
They love that.
Beyonce won that.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Because she's a pop artist.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
Yeah, they love the diversity of it, they love the
look of it, they think it'sgoing to help us in the pop
world.
Do you know?

Speaker 1 (24:06):
why?
And win fans.
Do you know why?

Speaker 4 (24:10):
I will go down with a ship with this Music Row.
They will always be completelydisconnected from the actual
country listener.
That's what they always miss.
They always miss the mark thatthey're missing it.
Now go out and look at the fanbase.
That's what Aldine's alwaysdone.
Look at your fan base.
No one cares who won that award, but Morgan Wallen.

(24:35):
He's carrying the crown rightnow.

Speaker 6 (24:39):
Nobody's competing, I mean.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Morgan's like take your award.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
I'll take my seven nights in a row at a stadium.
Morgan didn't even show up tothe awards because he doesn't
care.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
He was golfing with Tom Brady.
Well, his award was with PostMalone, though Morgan was
represented as a winner of whatCountry Song with Post Malone?

Speaker 1 (24:55):
With Post, yeah, right, yeah winner of what
country song with post?
Malone with post.
Yeah, right yeah but, but likeit goes back to what we were
talking about about being fanvoted.
We all know that that'sbullshit, the fan voted thing.
Everybody and their brother isgoing to vote for morgan wallen
on every category that he'snominated in we all know post
malone is huge.
Yeah, morgan wallen, it's noteven close, morgan.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Wallen laughs at how Morgan Wallen is cute.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
So that makes me ask the question does Post Malone go
home with that award in hishand, have his little spot
cleared out on the shelf with alittle spotlight for it and feel
good about it?

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Sure, he does.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
And think that he legitimately won that I think so
, you really do, I do.
He would be the only one on theplanet that would think he
deserved that award.
If I was post malone in thatposition, I would have.
I would have gone after theshow.
I'm calling up morgan, I'mgoing.
Hey, dude, this is your award Ican't accept this.

Speaker 6 (25:52):
Well, maybe you did we all know it.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, he.
It would be cool because heknows, and everybody else on the
planet and Mars knows, thatMorgan Wallen deserves that
award.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
At every award show that's ever televised.
Everybody knows it, Even heknows it.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
But they're doing this.
The same reason that they triedto cancel Morgan for that
unfortunate incident that we allknew he met, you know, it's the
same reason.
He's bigger than ever.
The more they ignore him anddon't give him the awards, the
bigger he gets, and everybody'stalking about it should be
Morgan's award.
I couldn't accept the award.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
There's no way, the only.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
thing the only thing I'll say for post Malone, which
which I agree with you on thatMorgan's cleaning up.
But you know post I he doeslove the genre like he came to
town wrote with everybody well,he did it the right way he he
did.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
I mean he didn't deserve the award, but he did do
it the right way.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
I'm not arguing.
You know it's morgan's award.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
I didn't bring this up to, to stick up for him for
post malone.
I think he's badass, I thinkhe's a, but he doesn't deserve
that award.
I agree.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
He didn't.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
I just wonder as a question to you guys, and you
guys might know, uh, because thefirst time I heard of post
Malone cause I'm so freakingcountry was when he started
doing country stuff.
But he's huge, I know.
I'm just saying there's a lotof country listeners that just
got to start to know him once hestarted recording with every
country star period right Ibelieve it.
My question is and Morgan ishuge in the country and going

(27:24):
out, was Post Malone alreadyhuge in a bigger genre and then
came and captured country also?
And if so, if it's fan voted,he would naturally win over
Morgan Walling currently.
That'd be my thought about that.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
The only way that?
That?

Speaker 5 (27:37):
there's no way you don't think that that more
people in the world knew whopost malone?

Speaker 1 (27:41):
was no, that's not fan voted.
It's not, it's bullshit that's.
That's the first that's thefirst lie of the music business
in the american music awards isthat it's?

Speaker 3 (27:54):
fan voted somebody proved me, prove it that it's
fan voted I want

Speaker 2 (27:58):
to see it.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
I want to see how it's fan voted.
I wasn't called.
Nobody sent me a ballot.
I don't know anybody on thisplanet.
I know a lot of people andeverybody I know was not sent a
ballot to vote for the AmericanMusic Awards.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
Nobody.
Hey, that's fair.
It's probably an online thing.
If I'm wrong, prove me wrong.
It's not a mail-in ballot.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Show me.
I want to see a fan-votedballot.

Speaker 6 (28:23):
You want your early ballot, send it to
trythatinsmalltowncom.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
I want to see the official fan-voted ballot for
the American Music Awards.
Prove me wrong.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
I got to get it.
Who's voting?
Who's on their phone saying it?

Speaker 3 (28:37):
It's a good point.
Well, I mean, like you weresaying, yes, he was a massive
superstar in the pop genre,which, yeah, it's big, but I
would also argue that morgan hasexceeded his level of
superstardom and no matter what,take out the genres.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Morgan's in like rare air.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
right now he's like doing things.
Nobody.
If Post Malone goes and doeshis own show, he's not selling
what Morgan is.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
There's not even close and that's saying
something, because during BeerBongs and Bentley, yeah, it was
huge and that album wasmonstrous and it is badass.
I love that album, it's great.
Even the follow-up to thatalbum is great.
They're really, really good.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Morgan goes into a stadium and sells eight nights
in a row and sells millions inmerch.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
There's only one show that I can remember.
There was only one award showthat I can remember that was
truly fan voted and y'allremember this the music city
news awards.
Y'all remember those awards, youremember that dude yep, you
remember this was in the mid 90swhen I was an artist and I had

(29:51):
seen a lot of those countryartists in the 90s.
There were so many that wereselling platinum huge tracy
lawrence, mark chestnut, tracybird you had all these 90s.
Garth was in there, clint blackwas in there, it was all these.
Of course garth wasn't untilthe late 90s, but it was all
these artists and they were bigand it was just taken off like
crazy.
And the music city news awardswas a big country music awards

(30:15):
show back then and it was trulyfan voted because I had seen
Neal McCoy's show like fourtimes, because we opened for him
and I'm going how is this guynot like?
If you ever saw Neal McCoy's?
show back then he still does.
It was amazing.
Yeah, when he was younger and alittle bit more limber, he was
climbing.
He was doing climbing laddersbefore Garth ever dreamed of it.

(30:36):
I mean, he was younger and alittle bit more limber, he was
climbing.
He was doing climbing laddersbefore Garth ever dreamed of it.
I mean, he was doing all thatand these people.
He had a following like nobodyelse at that time.
And he finally, one year Idon't know what year it was 96,
97, somewhere right in there.
The year one entertainer of theyear at the music city news
awards and I that's, when I knewthat that was truly a fan voted

(30:57):
award show, because all thesepeople were winning that
wouldn't normally.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
That's a great segue, because I actually won Song of
the Year at those music awards.
You did, yeah, me and Paisleydid, for he Didn't have to Be.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
There you go.
What year there you go.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
It would have been 2000-ish Wow, what year.
There you go.
It would have been 2000-ish,wow, yeah, that's unbelievable.
And ironically and I don't knowthis to be true Then it must be
.
But somebody that was veryclose because you're talking
about Post Malone somebody thatwas very close to Post Malone
and said they had written withhim, said that.
And we're talking about howmuch that he loves country music

(31:34):
and the genre and everythingwhich he does, everything.

Speaker 6 (31:37):
I've read that one of his favorite songs is he Didn't
have to Be.
That's what I heard.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
I believe it too, which is kind of cool, and I
became a fan immediately.
It's a real song, that's why itwon Well thanks.

Speaker 5 (31:51):
Thanks for bringing it up guys.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
I mean, I do think that he, like Tony was saying, I
think he appreciates the genreand tried to do it the right way
.
No, doubt.
He tried to involve thesongwriters, the producers.
He went out and toured withNashville guys.
It's a little different thanthe Beyonce situation.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
It's a lot different than the Beyonce, which is even
more of a reason why he shouldpublicly give that award to
Morgan.
If he's a true country fan andhe knows what's going on in
country, it'd be good pr.
It would be fantastic.
He should do it publicly.
He should give that awardpublicly to morgan wallen.
I don't deserve this.
I appreciate it, thank you.

(32:30):
Whoever voted for me whoeverthat is, it wasn't the fans and
publicly give it to morgan.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
He should do that well, maybe they're just I,
they're just super tight.
They just talk about it on thephone and say, man, that's cool.
You know, whatever, morganprobably doesn't care.
I don't know, but he probablydoesn't.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
He may not, if I, if he may not care, but I'm just
saying is from the, from theoutside looking, everybody and
their brother on Mars and hereon earth knows that Morgan
deserves every male countryartist award that there is out
there right now.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
A hundred percent, I agree.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
Well, I tell you they should talk about Morgan Wallen
and Garth, which is a coolparallel.
You know from what?
Garth's first album was 89.
He ran from that point all theway through the nineties, pretty
much top of the game.
Morgan's doing the same thing.
Morgan's gonna be because therewas no one bigger than garth.
Garth was on specials on nbc.
He was, yeah, ruling right, andthat's kind of what morgan's

(33:28):
doing and it's, it's, it'spretty, um, it's pretty
incredible.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
He's the scotty scheffler of country music.
Wow.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Scotty Scheffler.
He's on a run, isn't he?

Speaker 1 (33:40):
I don't get it, that dude.
You don't get it.
Well, just look at his swing.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
I do get it.
You mean the shuffle his footthing, it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
He's one of the most amazing athletes I've ever seen.
Pretty impressive.
It's all about club facecontrol.
Who's your favorite golf of alltime, all time?
Yeah, oh, that's a goodquestion.
Did I say me?
No, I won't.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
I'm kidding you can definitely say you no I'm
kidding, I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
no, scotty scheffler is bubble watson was, because
I'm all about these guys thatknow how to use their hands and
these unorthodox swings.
That makes sense.
Bubba Watson has that.
I actually got to play with himat his home course, really yeah
, I went down with Gary LaVoxdown to Allworth in Florida and

(34:31):
Bubba was living in Tiger Woods'old house where all the stuff
went down.
What stuff when his wife hithim with the nine iron.
Yeah, and when he ran over the,bubba Watson was living in that
house.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Oh, I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
So I went with Gary LaVox down there, got on the bus
, he called me up.
Gary called me up one day.
He goes hey, you want to goplay golf with Bubba Watson?
I go, let me think about it,yes.
And so I met him at the busthat night.
We drove down.
I woke up in the parking lot bythe range by Tiger's old house
and Bubba pulls up in his$50,000 golf cart and picks us

(35:05):
up and we go hit balls.
And all these other tour prosare pulling up and hitting balls
and just talking.
So I'm going, what am I doinghere?

Speaker 3 (35:15):
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah, and then we played and I got to play with
Bubba and just to watch hisunorthodox swinging in person is
amazing and I've always been afan of these guys who don't have
.
They're not real technical,they're just really good with
their hands.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Do you have his number?

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Can you get him on the podcast?

Speaker 3 (35:30):
No, oh, you don't.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
I might get him.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
I'll check into that you?

Speaker 3 (35:34):
know who I want to get is Phil Mickelson.
Phil Mickelson, I don't know ifyou follow him on X, very
outspoken, yeah, he likes to getin the thick of it.
I'd love to get Phil Mickelson.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
But Scheffler's that way though Scheffler's like.
He's so unorthodox he has hisown thing, he does his own thing
and he's beating everybody'scool talk about watson and phil.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
So during the was it 2021 then you went down to the
masters yeah, and there washardly anybody there at this
master, so because you can't beoutside with covid, I don't know
if you can do that.
Oh yeah, it doesn't go.
So anyway, but it was workedout good for us because went to
the masters and no one was there, so we were literally like from
me to you.
I'm watching Watson hit the balland I watched him hit a ball

(36:22):
around a tree, spin it.
I was like what I never heard agolf ball sound like that?

Speaker 3 (36:28):
No, it's a different thing.
And we saw Mickelson.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
From me to you, dechambeau, we saw that ball
exploded DeChambeau, I saw awhite puff of smoke and it was
gone.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
But yeah, we were there at the masters dude and,
first of all, that's a superexclusive uh ticket.
Like you can't get those, likeyou don't, I've played it, I
know.
I'm just saying that's, I'veplayed there it's amazing.
Yeah, I'll show it to y'allthat's unbelievable, but we were
fortunate enough to be there.
No crowds, nobody.

(37:01):
We're walking around witheverybody like this.
We're following the foursomelike this.
Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Cool it was incredible and people don't
understand about augusta and howme and kaylo got to play it.
Okay, I played it too, it wasfun.
Oh yeah, and the thing aboutkaylo over here yeah, you know,
I know he's got a new.
He's got a one-year-old,year-and-a-half-old new daughter
and he's kind of let his golfgame slide, but Kalo was a four
at one time.
Well, so I keep hearing this no, no K going.

(37:34):
I'd give my right arm to beable to shake the ball like he's
hitting it.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
I'm serious.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
I'm dead serious.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Go on, he's had that.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
No, and then you kind of lost the passion a little
bit.
You got married, yeah, had anew baby, passion was taken from
him.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
He didn't lose it.

Speaker 6 (37:51):
I totally get it.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
You don't lose the passion when you get married.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
It's taken from you, but when K-Lo got married I lost
the passion.
I didn't have time.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
Passion is ripped from you, replaced with chores.

Speaker 6 (38:05):
It's stolen like a thief in the night.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
But, I'm just going to tell you all, for our little
golf match that's coming up, youneed to prod K-Lo over here to
get on the range a little bitbefore we match up.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
What's the strength of Kalo's game?
The strength, the way he wasputting, not short game, you
were putting good the other day,it was yesterday.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yesterday you were putting good yesterday.
Because I think you weren'tthinking.

Speaker 6 (38:31):
Yeah, and he was making a lot.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
I don't know what you shot, but you didn't hit the
ball as well as you.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
I played bogey golf.
I shot an 89.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Dang Caleb.
All right, I'd love to shoot an89.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
It would mean so much to me if I could shoot an 89.
It really would.
It would mean everything to me,really.
Yes, if I could shoot an 89, itwould mean the world to me.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
It really would I shot 89, I would blow my brains
out now wait a second, seethat's the difference between me

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They'd understand why I gotmade those flyover states.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
So good, excellent, states, so good, excellent.
As a writer of that song, doyou understand how great that
song is like?
Do you?
Can you pull yourself back andgo?

Speaker 1 (43:26):
yeah, we, we got a good one that you know, when I
when I do realize it, butbecause it I mean I mean it
didn't come from me, I mean itcame from up there.
And it's like when I go to oneof y'all's shows, when I go see
y'all play, I can't wait to beout at the soundboard when y'all
go into that song, when y'allgo into that song and all I do

(43:49):
is turn around and start doingthis 360 and I'm watching
everybody sing it.
And that's when I go I'm like ohwell, they know every and it's
got a lot of words and it takesa lot of breath to sing it and
I'm like these people, knowevery single word of this song
and that's when that's when yourealize what you do for a living

(44:09):
and that's when it's like youreally appreciate and that song
has staying power.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
It's still one of the biggest songs in our set.
You know you have a few ofthose in our set, but you know
that one in particular that's aspecial nothing adjacent.
Aldine.
When people think of JasonAldean, they go that's a special
word, the one that helped great.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
That's just unbelievable, and I'm really one
of my favorite ones to playevery night nice yeah look
forward to playing that one.
Even with that fancy chord inthere, I know and I have to give
Delaney.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
I have to give Michael Delaney all the credit.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
How many times you hear that in a country song?

Speaker 1 (44:46):
I don't know if I would have gone there.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
I know I wouldn't have, but it's like it's perfect
.
Yeah, it's great, it's so good.
It's perfect.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Yeah, it's great, it's so good, that's so, michael
Delaney, and you know what?

Speaker 3 (44:56):
else it is, it's not an.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Aldine chord?

Speaker 3 (45:00):
It's not an Aldine chord, we've kind of put that in
some other kind of songs and hedoes not like it.
He doesn't like those fancychords.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Well, maybe he was listening to the words on that.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Hopefully, I think you're right.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
I think you're right.
I think you're right.
No, we were blessed with thatone.
That one came from above.
That wasn't.
You know, we're just vessels.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
Yeah, and it really did great song yes, it is you
know hard transition here.
What's a?

Speaker 3 (45:31):
hard transition I read today that DHS has
identified Nashville as asanctuary city.

Speaker 5 (45:44):
Yeah, I heard that wasn't true.
That's on the news, local news.
I heard it.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Is it true?
I thought they came out andsaid that it's not.

Speaker 5 (45:51):
Bob Mueller's in trouble.
Bob Mueller.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
He's still rocking the news ain't he?

Speaker 4 (46:00):
he's still rocking the news, ain't he?
Is that?
Because a few days ago I Ithought they came out and had a
press conference and said thatthat wasn't the case, is it?

Speaker 3 (46:04):
well, I explained to people.
Some people might not know whatsanctuary cities are what?

Speaker 5 (46:08):
yeah, it's just a.
Are we talking?
Is that the mayor?
That's, that's because of themayor's story, that mcconnell,
right, so, so that he had somekind of uh situation where he is
aiding and abetting illegalimmigrants and they're still,
you know, investigating all thatstuff he's saying didn't happen
.
And uh, one of the uhrepresentatives, uh, andy, andy

(46:30):
Ogles, is that right?
Anyway, he's pressing it reallyhard, investigating and things
like that.
So, but, but DHS has identifiedit, uh, nashville, as a
sanctuary city, but nashvilleitself has not said there's okay
.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Well, thank god, I mean you.
I don't want to become a flyaround state, yeah we used to be
, I mean we're known as a flyover state.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Now I don't want to become a fly around state yeah,
telly kind of brought it up afew weeks ago.
You know, you think oftennessee and it is a red state,
it is very red.
However, nashville proper.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
It's pretty blue.
Hence, post Malone and Beyonce,that would be it.
They want to become LA.
I guess it sounds likeNashville's, like they want to
be LA, they want to be Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
The label heads for sure.
That's their dream.
They just, for some reason Idon't know what it is the
country fan.
They're so loyal and they're soamazing the fans of this genre.
I don't know why they want tochange it.
It's weird, right, we're outthere, we live out there, and

(47:42):
it's like you talk about flowerstates when you think about
these people that have beencoming to CMA Fest for 30 years.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
They have tickets.
They've had tickets for 30, 40years and they keep coming.
They're loyal, they're loyal.
They keep coming, they keepcoming and we still want to
change it.
It's like Nashville doesn'twant to honor the fan base that
we've had for 40 or 50 years.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
It's really amazing to me the fan base that we've
had for 40 or 50 years.
It's really amazing to me.
It's actually seeing, even whenwe went through with our song,
we had a lot of support.
We also had we also didn't geta lot of support from people
that we probably should have,yeah, and try that in a small
town.
But that, speaking to our fanbase, like what?
What is it that you're fightingagainst?

(48:29):
You know, it was just reallyweird.
You know, the the country musicfan is so well, we see them out
there, heartland.
That's what we're talking about.
It's why would you want tochange that?
That's that's who's coming tothe shows, you know.
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
How you know, so I don't know.
How are you gonna get us to thenext topic?
Kayla, I've never seen, I'venever seen you guys so quiet in
my life.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Well, actually we're just deferring to you because
you were on a roll.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
No, we were like I mean it's, it's some subject
matters leaves us speechless nowell and, and we're like we want
to ponder it for a second andwe want to think about it.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Well it's confusing because if you think about
country music and you thinkabout what that is and what that
means to people and and we allhave witnessed the business side
of it pushing it the other way,away from the same people that
come every year to your shows-if we said it a thousand times,
the demographic doesn't matchthe suits it's like people tend

(49:34):
jason, don't put out.
Whatever you do, don't put out.
Try that right, and you can goback to dirt or an anthem for
that matter.
But jason wanted to put thatout there.
Don't put that out.
It's a career killer.
Try that small town.
Don't put that out.
Whatever you do, he knows whathis fan base wants.
He he knew it when he talked,like the video.

(49:54):
He knew what to put in thatvideo.
What he wanted to put in thatvideo wasn't for that was what
he wanted, but he also knew thatwould resonate with his fan
base and you know, and it's likenot only does he know, uh, what
would resonate with his fanbase.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
He is the fan base, he is one of those people.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
He that's what he was .

Speaker 1 (50:14):
That's what he how he grew up.
You know what I mean.
He's one of the few too.
What's that?
He's one of the few too, yeah,he remembers.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
I love the story.
He remembers Nick in Georgia.
Well, I think it was TracyLawrence show.
He was tracy lawrence show.
He was a huge tracy lawrencefan.
Still is where he remembers,you know, being in first in line
, doors opening, running in,yeah, you know, to the to get a
good spot.
You know that.
That's why jason is great likehe.
He relates to his fans and whatthey go through to get there in

(50:46):
the songs they want to hear.
And you have a business musicbusiness person saying no,
that's not the right song andjason going, yes, it is.
Yeah, you know, and uh, I justdon't think enough business
people spend time on the actualroad.
I don't mean going to showshanging out in the, yeah, in the
in the green room, yeah, I'mtalking about going out in the

(51:07):
lawn.
Go out in the lawn, it's.
It's the greatest tool we havereally in our tool belt is
seeing those people.
Every year they should walk outthere and and look around and
see why something connects.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
You know I was flipping through instagram the
other day and I don't know if itwas a country wire post or I
don't know what it was, but theyhad laugh until we cried.
Is that you know how they putsongs over posts?
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
And that's a calo song.
Oh, I know it's a fantasticsong you want to do it.
Thank you, you want to do it ohwow, you just put that on.

Speaker 6 (51:46):
No, I don't why, are we doing that?

Speaker 1 (51:47):
no, I mean, I think you should.
I think you should do it whycallo you just been called I
love that freaking song.

Speaker 5 (51:55):
I want to hear you sing laugh until we cry higher
than I would, then I would playit, you can do it I don't think
it's already high when it's in gright through my closet the
other day.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
I don't know my voice isn't like that he can do it.
He's getting hurt.
We can't.
I don't hear anything from Isit like that he can?

Speaker 5 (52:10):
do it.
I don't want to hear anythingfrom you.
You want to pick up a guitarand you're a guitar player.
I don't hear nothing from you.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
That's the one thing, that's the one problem.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
I have with our podcast folks.
Okay, give it to me.
All of our listeners Give it toFondue.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
No, I'm letting it go right now.
It pisses me off.
We're sitting here doing apodcast with Jason, the staple
of his band, right here Sorry,rich, and I'm like Kurt's his
lead guitar player and he won'tpick up a guitar and play.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Well, have I not told you guys, I hate the guitar?

Speaker 5 (52:47):
No, I'll put it nicely he doesn't have the
passion for the guitar.

Speaker 6 (52:52):
I do.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
It's not really the right thing to say.
It was your words.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
I know what it feels, like when somebody.

Speaker 6 (52:58):
He misspoke Look here , I know what it feels like.
Oh did I say that.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Trust me, we know what it feels like to be in a
room.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
It's like if you're at a family gathering or
wherever.
It's like, hey, neil, sing usone and we get it all the time.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
I promise you I have never played guitar at a family
gathering.
There's not enough ever therefor him.
He needs more people.
We don't have any of oursmoking lights and our things
it's an ego problem and his textnot here.

Speaker 5 (53:23):
But that makes sense.

Speaker 6 (53:24):
You know how we are I know how you are about text and
this stuff's not there.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
That's funny, it's got to be right.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
My, my wife says it to me all the time, like, yeah,
I just folks, look here, ourlisteners to all our folks, all
our listeners out there we're.
I'm working on this for y'all.
I will get that son of a bitchto pick up a guitar language and
no, he's gonna play.
But if it kills me, we're goingto do one together.

(53:51):
We're all four going to do onetogether.

Speaker 6 (53:55):
I'll play and then I'll get a tattoo right after.
Yes, Stop.

Speaker 5 (53:59):
Saylo, can you play that guitar?
I don't know.
Please, this is me and AshleyGourley a very long time ago.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Ashley Gourley of 84, number ones or whatever it is
83.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
83,.
Okay, this is the song we weretalking about earlier in the
show.

Speaker 9 (54:18):
Going through my closet the other day Found an
old yearbook Flipped right tothe page, of that senior trip
Down there on that Panama strip.
We all started yelling when wesmelled the beach.
Just couldn't wait To try fakeIDs.
We only had a few days and awhole lot of memories to make.

(54:42):
Oh man, we were living, didn'twaste one minute.
We talked and danced and drankand said goodbye.
Yeah, we laughed until we cried.
Oops, sorry, kurt.

(55:05):
This past year my family wassitting cross-legged around the
Christmas tree listening toGrandad.
We all knew he'd probably behis last and he was cracking
jokes and we were taking turnstelling stories about fishing

(55:27):
lessons learned out on the porchwith him.
We all felt like kids again.
Oh man, we were living.
Sitting there reminiscing.
We talked and sang and traveledback in time.

(55:48):

Speaker 5 (55:56):
And then Kurt's amazing solo.
Right here we can overdub thatwhich you won't hear right now.

Speaker 6 (56:02):
We can overdub that, you know.

Speaker 9 (56:07):
Seems like the best days under the sun, are every
emotion rolling to one, a littleof this and a little of that,
kind of happy and kind of sad.
Just the other night the babywas crying so I got out of bed

(56:31):
and rocked her a while and Iheld her tight and I told her it
would be alright.
And my mind went back to a fewyears ago when we tried for so
long.
We almost gave up hope and Iremember you coming in and

(56:52):
giving me the news.
Oh man, we were living goingcrazy in the kitchen.
We danced and screamed and heldeach other tight.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
That's a great song.
I'm sweating so, caleb let meask this Obviously when you sing
the last verse.
Does that have?
You know?
It's a different kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
Yes, it's a different emotion, because before, uh, it
was just two guys making up alast verse, you know, like hey,
where should it go?
And then you didn't want towrite anything about somebody
having babies and stuff, becausegenerally artists don't want to
talk about that, you know, andso, but it seemed like that's
where it was supposed to go andI didn't have any kids, and now
I have a 16-month-old girl, andso every time, even during the

(57:55):
writer's round, we'll be singingthat and Neil and I will be
singing that, and it hits metotally different.
It's an old song right, yeahsure.
But that verse makes it feelreally brand new and so
sometimes it gets me kind ofhave to forget for a second you
know, so I don't lose it.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
It reminds me of, you know, country songs at.
You know it's not like itanymore, but when you wrote a
country song like that at thosein that era you couldn't just
sing a verse and a chorusbecause you didn't get the whole
story of the song.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
And like that song you can't play a verse and
chorus of it.
Right, that's right.
You have to play the wholething.
Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Great song, dude.
I love it when you write songsthat come back to haunt you.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
In a good way, that one.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Yeah, yours right there, that one.
I mean comes back, not to hauntyou, but it means a little bit
more.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, great song, buddy.
Thank you guys.
Whose title was that?
Do you remember that's ashley's?
Actually, those is either thefirst or second, I get them
mixed up.
That that ashley came in andand at the time he hadn't had
any hits or anything like that,and I'd I'd had a few things and
and uh, and he came in and hesaid he's well, I got this one
title.
I've thrown it six, sevenpeople.
Nobody's really liked it and Ithought, well, he has a lot of

(59:06):
respect for me.
I said what?

Speaker 6 (59:10):
is it?

Speaker 5 (59:10):
and he said laughed until he cried and I just loved
it right away and I could justkind of, you know, just like
when you, when I threw out trythat small town to know you guys
, kind of like you guys like oh,we know exactly where that goes
same thing, you know.
It was like oh, I know what thefirst verse should, I know what
the first verse should say, Iknow what the second verse
should say and the chorus andthe basics.

(59:30):
Not that you're.
You know, you're throwing outlines, but here's what the
general stuff.
And you got real excited.
I got so excited about that.
Ashley said, wow, you thinkit's that good?
I said, dude, it's great.
And he had me questioning myown ability.

Speaker 8 (59:43):
You know, because he's like first off, why do, why
do you?

Speaker 5 (59:45):
send me an idea that you don't like.
But anyway, that was totallyhis.
And then he just startedrolling up that melody never
changed one thing of it, and itjust rolled out.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
I think it's awesome that you did that.
I think our listeners and Ihope that our listeners love to
hear where the song came from.
Oh, I think.
So, you know, I think, and ifwe can incorporate more of that,
like, where did the song comefrom that?
Like, where did the song comefrom, like, when john morgan was
on?
Yeah, you know, or I don't know?
Is he coming out, like, are wegonna put this one out first or

(01:00:16):
we're gonna put john on?

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
is this?
We'll see.
So stay tuned for john, becausethere's some extra bonus stuff.
Oh yeah, a lot of great stuffin that, yep he sings and it's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
It's just awesome to hear where the idea came from
and I think I think ourlisteners love to hear where the
idea of the song came from,hearing you sing it in its
rawest form, like you just did.

Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
That was the rawest.
No, it's so good, it's therawest.
I love hearing that more than.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
I do anything, I really do.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
I'll find out, we'll put it on a paywall and see how
much they really like it, I'mkidding fans I a paywall and see
how much they really like it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:49):
I'm kidding fans.
I know I can count on Ed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Should we take requests from our listeners?

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
That's actually a great idea, but only songs that
we've written.
Well, yeah, I can't play BrownEyed Girl, although we could
this isn't middle-aged karaokehere Not?

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
that there's anything wrong with that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Some of the songs.
We've talked about this a lot.
We did cover bands, I meanthat's what we do.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
You know we're going to force you to play guitar.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Oh yeah, you know that right.

Speaker 6 (01:01:19):
It's coming.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
I'll do it like when Tell me what did you do Taking
Care of Business?
Brown Eyed.

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
Girl staples, like in the old bar band days.
Yeah, take care of business.
Sing brown eye girl.
Yeah, I mean actually what youneed by any of the cruisers
which you gotta hear telly sing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
This is no, no kidding, I know telly can sing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
He can sing great, I know he can but I've heard he
shines.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
He shines on la bamba oh, it's something else.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
You're kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
I am not even kidding , I'm not kidding he can do that
, right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
I swear to you.
So it goes off, okay, I can'twait.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
I was a huge, huge, like I love early rock and roll
to this day.
Richie Vounds, Buddy Holly.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Really rock and roll.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
You're a connoisseur of early rock and roll.
I love early rock and roll.
I never knew this.
I love it.
It's actually was one of myvery first.
I mean I loved I was covered upin music as a kid.
Like I just I couldn't getenough of it and I I went
through a like a fifties phasewhen I was about 11, 12, 13
years old and that's all Ilisten to and so I really but

(01:02:28):
that's for you know, the RichieValens stuff, like I love Richie
Valens, but Buddy Holly was whoI really.
I got a mean Peggy Sue too.
I love some Peggy Sue this isall like I never knew this is
brand new information.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
I never knew this.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
When we have Aldine on again, we should hit some of
those, because there's somegreat stories of that.
Wait a minute, aldine.
Well, because when we'retogether generally, we'll do
like a karaoke night sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
See, my karaoke go-to is like Skid Row.
It's all 80s.
This is actually a greatsegment.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
What is it?
Skid Row?
It's all 80s rock.
It's Loverboy, that's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Everybody working for the weekend mean that's I'm
going there, I'm going thereyeah, not many people can sing
that.
That's impressive that's reallyimpressive yeah, uh, tully's
go-to you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
You have a few go-tos I got a few.
What's the one that you andaldine always do together the
rock song lightning crashes,lightning crashes.
And then there's another onetoo.
What's the three doors downsong?
No, I think I am thinking oflightning crashes.
Yeah by live.

Speaker 5 (01:03:34):
Yeah, kayla, what do you do?
I don't do anything.

Speaker 6 (01:03:39):
You do the same.

Speaker 5 (01:03:40):
Here's why.
Okay, because years ago on oneof the family Alaskan cruise and
there was karaoke and my momand dad are there, brothers
there, everybody, nieces and allthat stuff and and, and they
said, hey, you ought to get upthere and do some karaoke, you
know, and I thought, althoughsurely they'll have something, I
thought maybe they'll havesomething you know in, you know,
in vain.
You think, well, maybe theyhave something I've written

(01:04:01):
that'd be kind of easy to do andI go up there, and.
But they had very littlecountry.
I think there's only one or twotitles, and one of the titles
they had was live like you weredying, right, and it's Tim
McGraw, huge, huge song.
And and and I thought, well, Icould do that, because I've
heard Tim Nichols, one of thewriters, sing it at writers
nights over and over and overagain.
So I thought, well, surely Ican do it.

(01:04:22):
Yeah, but it was just in a keythat it's so different from when
I'm used to hearing Tim do it,tim Nichols do it and not Tim
McGraw, but Tim Nichols is theone I hear doing it all the time
, and so in my mind that's thenote I was hearing, but it
started like three keys higherand I never could find it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Oh no, you couldn't find the pitch I couldn't start.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
I mean, I came in completely off key and almost
stayed there for like a wholeverse.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
I was petrified, his whole thing, mortified, and and
there wasn't enough whiskey inthat whole room to make that
okay.
Actually, no, you did.
No, it's circling no it'sbefore cell phones.
We just put it out it's beforecell phones.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
We'll do that.
We'll have the end of tourparties and we'll have that
karaoke.
Yeah, oh my god we'll just sing, and yeah, you know yeah,
aldino could do uh drift awaydrift away.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
That's what you're gonna hear we'll have.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
That'd be good, you know, I remember, uh, back in
the day, the late 90s or 97,whenever me and jason started
hanging out was probably, Iguess, 99 whatever we would go
down to, uh, this little bar inbellevue, tennessee, and we'd do
karaoke.
We seen like cuts like a knifeby brian adams, you know and and
which was you know.

(01:05:32):
We always had a good time doingthat stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
No, it's incredible, he still loves it to this day.
Yeah, it's a good time, well ohgod, what do you got?
What do you end what?
What you got?
I think I need some wd-40 overhere.

Speaker 5 (01:05:46):
You definitely need some.
I hear it in all the episodes.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
Do you really?
Yeah, I hear it in all of them.
Listeners.
We got to Ed.
If you hear this, let me knowEd's heard it.
Ed's definitely heard it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:59):
We need some WD-40.
Can we get?

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
sponsored by WD-40?
Sure Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
What are?

Speaker 6 (01:06:06):
you doing?
Did y'all watch any?

Speaker 5 (01:06:07):
joe, you're not gonna sing one no, go ahead oh, oh,
did y'all watch any of the um?
you had the, the regionals goingon.
You know super regionals andyes, I did coming up and so I'm
big tennessee vols fan, right,and uh, so they, they got
through, they they uh beat wakeforest and uh, it was in
knoxville and everything.
And did y'all hear thecontroversy with the wake forest
coach and everything?

(01:06:28):
So I did.
So you had one of our, ourthird baseman, andrew Fisher.
He's a great player, good homerun, hitter, hitter, power
hitter and everything.
And we were leading at the time, the balls were leading at the
time, and I think he came, cameup there and he's, you know, and
those guys are, they're justjuiced and just getting the
crowd up and everything, and uh,and I think he was playing to
the crowd a little bit, he's athome.
And then the camera was on theWake Forest coach.

(01:06:52):
You know who's been around, youknow, for a while.
He's a very solid coach andthey caught him on camera, you
know, saying an explicit andthen a how do you say, what does
the explicit start?
with.
Well F it starts with an F, andthen you know, I guess you
would say this day and time ahomophobic slur.

(01:07:12):
You know after that, so it'stwo.
Fs, two Fs, two Fs.
Word one F, second word F, butan old school word, like you
know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
What's the second?

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
letter of F Sounds like.
Sounds like Two syllables.
Sounds like when I was youngand playing yard ball, playing
football in the side yard.

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
Hacky sack.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Whatever.
I got in trouble one time forsaying the word.
I called one of my friendsbastard.
My mom was listening out thewindow of the house.
I said you bastard.
I didn't know what it meant.
Yeah, I had no idea.

Speaker 5 (01:07:51):
We used to say that word, the F word.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
I was like like I didn't know what it meant no, it
covered everything.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
It covered everything , right, like you know, bastard,
you didn't know that I'm a.

Speaker 5 (01:07:57):
You're so cool like you are, said your mother is
don't talk about my mother,we're innocent when it, when it
came to those words, we werewhen we were young.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
That's true.
We don't throw, that's true andprobably that guy.

Speaker 5 (01:08:06):
in no way was he thinking to himself you know
anything that than something hesaid in high school, to mean it
as a slur, you know just as aright.
But he took major heat from hisAD.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
Everybody's too sensitive.
Well, you're right.
You are right.
Get over yourself, everybody,get over yourself.
It's a word.
There's a couple words.
We don't say that we know wecan't say that will forever be
off the table that we know wecan't say that we'll forever be
off the table.
I agreed.

Speaker 5 (01:08:31):
But, and that's one, I mean you don't throw that
around.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
Yeah, for the most part, though, everybody needs to
chill out, and they'll be sosensitive.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Everybody needs to chill out.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
I'm not sure you could call me something that I'd
be offended by, especiallyfondue, I mean no.

Speaker 6 (01:08:48):
Well, the important thing, you're an ever-flowing
fountain of cheese.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Well, the important part of the story as a.

Speaker 5 (01:08:54):
Vols fan is after.
The coach got really mad andthrew that out.
Then Andrew Fisher hit atwo-run home run, which was
fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
There you go and you're going to the College
World Series.
They're going to, or to, omaha,yeah, they're going to.

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
They have to play Arkansas.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
They're going to.

Speaker 5 (01:09:06):
Yeah, they're going to.
They have to play Arkansas twoout of three, starting Saturday,
Then it goes through Mondaypossibly, so it's two out of
three.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
By the time this airs , you're going to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Omaha.
I hope so.
It'd be good, it'd be great.

Speaker 6 (01:09:18):
That's a great story.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
At least they can win a championship in some sport,
but did you watch the WNBA gamelast night?
It'd be a great, I love that,but did you guys watch what
happened last night?

Speaker 6 (01:09:32):
in the WNBA game no.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
I'm one of 48 billion people that doesn't watch it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:35):
No, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
It's true.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
You really didn't see it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
It's amazing.
No, no, hold on.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
Are you being serious , please?
This always gets me.
I get up in the morning, mycoffee Dog next to me.
I get up in the morning, mycoffee dog next to me, cranky.
Turn on sports center.
There's been a whole slate ofmajor league baseball games,
hockey playoffs, that NBAbasketball playoffs, and I've

(01:10:04):
got to sit through a string of WNBA highlights.
I'm like what are you doing?
No one's there, no one cares,they're playing with a tiny ball
.
Even the highlights are likewow, I feel like I could play in
that league.
I feel pretty good about it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
You know what I don't know what.
I do know what ESPN is doingbecause I I obviously have ESPN
app when I click on it.
It you know what the firststories are WNBA, yes, I want to
bring it up?
It's not.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
I don't know basketball football or golf I
don't know why they can't justsay thank you to Caitlin Clark.
Why can't they just thank her?
Look buddy, they don't like herbecause she's the only reason
that the they don't like her.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
WNBA is on the planet .
Why can't they just say thankyou?

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
They don't like her dude.
Here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
Even with Kaitlyn Clark.
That's all well and good.
She's great.
She was really fun to watch incollege.
Just pull the WNBA off, Killthe league, take it away.
No one cares about it.
I want you to.
I want a clip of this.
He's true.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
He's speaking truth right now.
He's putting my language rightnow.

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
Anyone who loves the WNBA, please.

Speaker 6 (01:11:12):
You know who doesn't love it Women.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Women don't love the WNBA.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
Who does like it it's .

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Tully Talk.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
Loving it.
Well, I'm just Come onseriously, we know what's going
on.
There's no money.
And then my favorite part isthey want to get.
They're mad because they wanttheir pay to be like the men get
.
I'm like, well, you're missingsome major pieces.
Crowds, you know.
Viewership, yeah, you know Ijust enough's enough, like let's

(01:11:40):
find something else.
I mean, can I?
I know this is.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
I don't think I'm offending anybody.
Caleb, have you seen the WNBA?

Speaker 5 (01:11:47):
game, not in its entirety, just some of the
highlights and some of the stuffthat goes on with the Kaitlyn
Clark and the other players thathate her.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
Yeah, and knock her down.
You watch it for that.

Speaker 5 (01:11:56):
Like a foosball.
Yes, they're just knocking herall over the place, but she's,
you know, she'slin Clark, yeah,period.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
So that leads us to this topic.
Oh boy.

Speaker 5 (01:12:12):
I watch women's softball.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
What.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
It's great.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Yeah, women's softball is actually really good
.

Speaker 5 (01:12:17):
Are you being serious ?

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
No, the softball.
Those girls are legit.

Speaker 5 (01:12:22):
And the pitchers.
I mean they're amazing, let'sget to a story real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
No, they're legit Because we real quick because we
used to have the aldinesoftball team and don't remember
uh, don't forget what you weregonna get to.

Speaker 6 (01:12:31):
But we got to say this we used to go out and play
softball at least once a week.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Sometimes it'd be a bent against the competing radio
station or whatever.
We fancied ourselves a softballteam.
We were good, we were, we were.
I'll play a lot of sports onthe road but anyway, we went to
a I forget what campus it was,but the women's softball team
played on this field that weplayed on and the women's
pitcher challenged us to see ifanybody could hit her, and it

(01:13:00):
was a woman.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
It wasn't a man, right.
She was definitely a woman.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Nowadays, you don't know she is, you're right, but
she was definitely a woman andshe pitched and I'm not sure
anybody hit her.
There were some foul balls.
Yeah, it's legit.
Pass pitch softball, it was,it's legit.

Speaker 5 (01:13:19):
And Pickens, which is the starting pitcher for the
Tennessee Vols.
She broke her own record and Ithink it was 79.6 or 79.8, which
the equivalent for guys in thepros would be like 103,
something like that.
It's because the distance andall this stuff, but it's no way
any of us is going to be hittingthat ball.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
When women and men are actually equal in speed, the
downhill, they never equal inspeed.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Actually, it isn't equal in speed.

Speaker 6 (01:13:49):
Women always wreck in NASCARar.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
it's not, they never make it to the finish line ever
in nascar oh, yeah, oh yeah,there's, there's been a couple
of it's time for another break,but no, no, no no, this is
perfect, because it shows youthat the car is the athlete, not
the driver, always.
And she just did not.

(01:14:12):
Danica Patrick did not, ever, Idon't know.
And it wasn't a female-malething.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
We'd love to have her on the podcast, by the way.
When it comes to cars.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
it's never the female , it's the team thing.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
Well, she's a woman driver.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Yeah, but she always got wrecked.
She always got pushed out ofthe way.
You know, anybody can drivefast, anybody, you can drive
fast.
We could put you in a NASCAR,in a race car, right now, and we
could teach you how to drivefast.
How good are you in the mix Now?
Okay, the car is the athlete,not the driver.
But I will say this If you putany four, of us in a.

(01:14:45):
NASCAR race right now you'd bedead last or never make it.
It'd be impossible.
It depends on how much trainingI've had.

Speaker 5 (01:14:55):
I don't think we could start now.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
It's all about horsepower dude.
It's all about horsepower Inany industry.

Speaker 5 (01:15:00):
I don't think any one of us could start right now and
get to the top of it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
I could name you a handful of drivers that
Earnhardt he had in his heyday.
He was the best driver outthere, he had the best team, he
had the best equipment andnobody could beat him.
Jeff Gordon.
The same way I could go downthe list of NASCAR drivers.
Yeah, it was a perfectcombination of equipment and
driver.
That's what it comes down to inracing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
I don't know enough about it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Well, equipment and driver.

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
Well, no, but you're adding the driver now on the
balance Equipment and driver,but you're adding the driver now
.
That makes sense.
You were just saying the car,you said Tully, could win.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
But if Earnhardt was driving somebody else's car,
that was not up to it.
It doesn't come up to him.

Speaker 6 (01:15:38):
It's not up to him.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
He can only go so fast and drive that car till the
wheels fall off only so far andstill finish last.
It's a combination of thedriver and the car combination,
then that works.
Tom Brady did not easy.
Careful Tom Brady could haveplayed anywhere in the NFL and
succeeded um ok you're out ofyour depth.

(01:16:02):
If you want to talk footballwith me, then let's go.

Speaker 6 (01:16:09):
I've only played since I was six.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
But here I'll say this about college football
College football is different.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
Today it is.
You're not like a pro footballguy In pro football.
What's he talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
You're not a pro football guy.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
You agree In NFL?

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Who do you think led the Patriots?
Who was the main guy on thePatriots team?
Who was the crew?

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
chief Bill Belichick's girlfriend who was
the crew chief at the Patriots?
Tom Brady was the crew chief.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Without him, they don't win that many
championships.

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
I totally agree doesn't happen.
But also there's a systeminvolved and, like, tom was
perfect with belichick and theway tom thought and belichick
coach, it was a, it's a magic.
That's all about nfl football,that combination.
You can look back on thoseteams.
You know whether the niners andall those teams and the coach
and the quarterback.
I love that about nfl, likeit's a.

(01:17:08):
To me it's a team, and I thinkBrady would tell you the same
thing.
That's why the Patriots had somany role players.
Let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
I'll throw you a little wrinkle here.
Would Bill Belichick be BillBelichick without Tom Brady?

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
No, no, I'll tell you that Would Tom.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
Brady be Tom Brady without Bill Belichick.

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
Maybe not as well.
Probably not.
I think there's a magical thingthat happens.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
It's very rare that combination of winning I agree
with that, because if Tom Bradygoes to the Browns, he's never
Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
He would have found a way In football.
It's all about the locker room.
Well, look though you kneel,I've been there.
I've been there, I've showeredwith them.
It's that's a whole differentpodcast.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
I've been there, listen, I know what the locker
room's like.
It's not just that, though,because it's the scheme.
It's like that's why the youknow the Pats would get like a
Wes Welker.
Okay, they and Gronk and allthese guys through the years,
they literally built this, thesystem for Tom to like succeed

(01:18:13):
in.
You know, it wasn't just whatdo you do with the Buccaneers,
wasn't just yeah, he won.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
No, no, he.
What do you do with theBuccaneers he?

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
did bring his guys.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
I rest my case.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
What did he do?

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
I know, but he Buccaneers but Neil, and changed
the whole dynamic of that wholeprogram.
But you got a track and won aSuper Bowl.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
This is where you're stubborn.
One guy Listen to me, but youhad a whole track record of how
Tom played.
A way Tom succeeded in the waythat he thrived.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Time for the guitar, all right, anyway, anyway, I
mean we're probably over at thispoint anyway.

Speaker 9 (01:18:50):
I'm going to ask Anyway, I mean, we're probably
over at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Anyway, you know what , neil?
You got something to get you.
No, I don't, I don't, I'm just,I don't know.
I sit back and analyze and Ilisten to everybody.
I listen to you, I listen toyou, I listen to you.
Love you guys, but it's my lastshow, k-lo.

Speaker 6 (01:19:10):
It's my last show.
K-lo it's my last show?
No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
No, I respect everybody's opinions.
That's where I'm going to leaveit right there.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
No, no, no, good, we got it.
No, no, no, it's good, get itout.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
I'm an Alabama fan, okay.
Okay.
I look at what's happened tothe program and just the whole
atmosphere around the wholeprogram since Saban left.
I look at it when he was thereand I'm like, it's like, and it
goes back to your Belichickargument.

(01:19:42):
It's the leadership, that'swhoever's in charge the
leadership, and it's a teamthing, it's a combination thing.
Belichick and Brady were likeunbeatable.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
They were.
But it's also to Tully's pointcollege is different in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
for that reason you have to have the coach, the
system in place in college, butI'm relating college to NFL now
because of NIL.
Now they're very, very, very,very close.
Now we're talking.
It's all about dollars now itis In both sports, which leads
me to, I think, college footballis absolutely in a bad spot

(01:20:21):
right now.
I think you're right andironically it's going to take
somebody like Saban to kind ofget it back to where it was.
It's weird they openedPandora's box andan to kind of
get it back to where it was.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
It's weird They've opened Pandora's box and I don't
think they know how to close it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
But it's going to take Saban to do that and it
might be Saban, that does it.
And I think that's fixing tohappen.
Yeah, I really do.
Somebody's got to take thereins and go.
Hey, because the NCAAapparently don't know what the
hell they're doing.
I think they're trying to turnit into the NFL I do and they're

(01:21:02):
going to kill the innocence ofcollege football forever if
somebody like Saban doesn't takethe reins and turn it back
around where it needs to be.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Yeah, I can't disagree.

Speaker 5 (01:21:12):
You got anything to end on?
Nope, I just ordered my dinnersuccessfully did you really yep,
what'd you get?
Harissa chicken from uh, whatdo you call it?

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
I would think somebody you get dinner for one,
I would.
Kaylo, I would think you wouldwant to chime in on the on the
college football thing no, Ifelt like you're on a good roll
no no being a being a fan.
I figured you'd want to ToZiki's.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
To Ziki's nice Because.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
I think Heupel has.
I think I respect him for theway he's handled the situation
with y'all's quarterback leaving.

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
Yeah, I think he's done really well.
I mean, but the whole thingyou're talking about, with the
whole dynamic and the NIL, it'sso I mean I, I don't know what
one person is going to be ableto fix all that.
It's never going to be the sameas it was.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
Yeah, for an outsider .
Like I said, you guys know I'mnot a huge.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
I know Our fans know that you guys are NFL guys,
we're college guys, but as theoutsider, looking a little bit
and I really do like collegefootball.

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
I love following the Bulldogs.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
Al Dean's more of a college guy than he is.

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
NFL, I will bulldog al dean's more of a college guy
than he is in effect.
I will say, though, looking atit, you know I I don't like it.
No, like I.
I know it wasn't perfect beforeand I know that there were
things that weren't right, butnow it feels way worse to me.
They're gonna fix it.
You got guys making too muchmoney too young at for not the
right reasons and it's taken alot of the innocence, like you

(01:22:35):
said.
I don't know if that's theright word either.

Speaker 5 (01:22:37):
Yeah, I didn't say innocence, it was no.
No said innocence, whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
That part of it seems to have, because the one thing
I love about college I meanyou're like they're out there
trying their hardest Good,because they love the game, love
the game and also about college, they're out there trying their
hardest Because they love thegame.
Love the game and also, look,they want to go to the NFL.
Yeah, but what's the motivationnow?
Is it to just make the quickmoney?
Is it to even get it is?

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
Well, and the thing of it is now it's bleeding into
high school and you're seeinghigh school kids.

Speaker 6 (01:23:09):
It's even going lower than that you.
Now it's bleeding into highschool and you're seeing high
school kids.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
It's even going lower than that, you're right, and
it's affecting 14-year-olds to18.
It's a thing, dude.
Yeah, it's a real thing and itmight be an episode later it
even affects the parents.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Oh, 100%, big time, yeah On where they steer their
child to go.
Yeah, Money.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Well, there's money being handed out in high school
now, and it's just weird.

Speaker 5 (01:23:37):
And I'm really glad that a lot of the players are
getting compensated.
You know, to some degree it'sjust I wish they did it a
different way.
Coming out Now, it's just thewild, wild west.

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
I don't know if you can ever do it.

Speaker 5 (01:23:50):
And for the fans it definitely hurts the fan
experience for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
To Kalo's point, my whole thing at the beginning was
why don't you put it in a trust?
If they either get drafted orthey graduate, they get that
when they leave.
They shouldn't get it whilethey're playing.
They should have something tolook forward, to Put it in a
trust, put it out here.
This is what you get when yougraduate and or get drafted.

Speaker 5 (01:24:19):
Yeah, because now they could have that promise of
this many million and then nextyear somebody says, well, we'll
add two million to it, and thenthey're gone.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
It's like an insurance policy.
It's sitting out here waitingon you.
Yeah, don't pay them whilethey're playing, pay them when
they're done and they worktoward that.
It's a goal that they get towork for.

Speaker 5 (01:24:43):
I don't.
It seems like common sense tome.
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
I don't know, call Nick up it's a good idea.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
I don't know.
I'm just like why you know, andwhile you're at it, get him on
the podcast, because he'd begreat.

Speaker 5 (01:24:50):
Yeah, big time yeah, and Alden wants to meet him.
And on that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
No, he doesn't.
No, he doesn't.
Let's wrap this up.
It's been fun.
I knew there was some good jujuin the room.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
Yeah, I do want to finish on one, belichick.
Okay, all right, okay, you gotme on it.
Sorry, kurt, no end it.
Give us something good On thetrue greatness of Brady and
Belichick.
You probably didn't follow thePats through the whole run and
see how they won the Super Bowls.
Oh yeah, a lot of that wasdefense.

(01:25:26):
Bill was incredible defense,but Brady would manage the game.
It's that perfect combinationof him not having to be the guy
to go throw five TDs every game,but managing the game.
Brady won upstairs in his head.
That's how he won every game.
He won every game.
He didn't win it by his arm, orcertainly not by his being

(01:25:49):
mobile, but he's very smart,that combination of Belichick
and him.
He didn't win it by his arm, orcertainly not by his being
mobile Yep, but he's very smart.
And that combination ofBelichick and him that's what I
miss.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
That's what I really miss.
Brady's influence in the lockerroom, in my opinion, changed
everything.
Well, that's what winning doestoo.
That's what it does, and itapplies to every aspect of
business, no matter what you doin life.

Speaker 4 (01:26:11):
Boy, you're wrapping this thing up beautifully.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
I think it does.

Speaker 4 (01:26:14):
Tying the room together?
In what?

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
we do writing songs.
Yeah, it's all about.
I mean his influence in thelocker room changed the whole
facade of that whole program.

Speaker 4 (01:26:26):
So, tom, what we're saying is please come on the
podcast, please, that'd be greatto have you on.
Be amazing, jim, invite Tom.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
We were on the fence whether we should invite him.
Let's do it.
Yeah, let's do it.
Uh, let's end it here, guys,that was fun, that was fun, neil
, did you get everything offyour chest?
Yeah you should, I do All right, neil called me.

Speaker 6 (01:26:50):
He called you a lot of things I don't think that'll
make it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
It might not make it.
That's thrash, that's K-Lo,that's TK.
I am fondue.
It's amazing.
Try that in a small townpodcast.
Thanks for watching guys.

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