Beyond the Scoreboard with Kirk Herbstreit - The Real Value in Athletics and Life :: Ep 64 Try That in a Small Town Podcast - Try That in a Small Town Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Anybody that steps into those shoes, anyone,
anybody that steps into NickSaban's shoes while he's still
there and still, like you said,going to games around the
program.
Kaelin DeBoer is an awesomecoach I mean you can't argue
that but it's just like BrianHarsin's a great coach.
But you know you go into thatculture and you're not from

(00:23):
there.
Nick went from Michigan State,more from the Midwest, down to
LSU.
I think there were a lot of LSUfans like who the heck is this
guy?
I think we have an epidemic inyouth sports.
I think it's a huge problem andit's the system.
It's not just social media andit's the system.

(00:44):
It's not just social media,it's the system of you're eight
years old and you're going toplay 55 games and the coach
carries around rings becausehe's won three rings in the last
three years and it's just likethey're eight.
Let's teach them thefundamentals.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
I want to see if you can help settle a heated debate
that Tully and I had.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
I don't know if I remember this?

Speaker 4 (01:13):
No, but I want to know the Try that in a Small
Town podcast begins now.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
We're excited aren't we?

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yes, we are.
It's going to be fun today.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
One step closer to.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
September, the Voice Hold on.
Let me set this up.
This is to try that on theSmall Town Podcast We've got
everybody here, right.
But yeah, the Voice, we've gota pretty good guy coming on
today.

Speaker 6 (01:36):
I'm ready to hear it.
Get me fired up.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Who is it?

Speaker 6 (01:39):
It's like that first breath of fall.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, we're under 90 days now, right.
Yeah, when he speaks, it's afootball season.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
We're burying the lead guys.
Who is it?
Kirk Herbstreet?
Come on, man, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
We're going to throw it to telly.
We're waiting, you know, forthe big build Fondue Bring it to
us.

Speaker 5 (01:59):
Let's start over.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
We waited too long Because we had to make sure we
had to do it.
Yeah, do it quick.
We got to do it quick.
That was good.
I thought it was good.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
We're nervous because we're in a hurry for the meal.

Speaker 6 (02:12):
I'm overrated.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Nobody's overrated, not even Peyton Manning.
Take two.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
All right, welcome back.
This is the Try that in a smalltown podcast coming to you from
the patriot mobile studio.

Speaker 6 (02:28):
Dudes, I am pumped, we got a good one coming on
today we got kirk herb streetcoming on.
I know you guys know who he isright, he's as neil just said
this he's the voice most of uswho watch college football know
you guys have got to be pumped.
Oh, you're jacked.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Oh yeah, every time I hear that voice.

Speaker 6 (02:48):
I'm like a load comes off because I know it's getting
close yeah, yeah, I researchedhim for six hours.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
I've got all kinds of stuff and I know he won't be
here with us long enough, but ifwe can hold him for four or
five hours, no, you know what Ilove about him.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
I mean, he's really good at what he does.
You do honestly trust what he'ssaying, his broadcasting stuff.
But he's just from what I'veread and I know you guys know a
little background on him toohe's a really good dude, he's a
man of faith, he's a greatfather, husband.
Uh, hopefully we have a chanceto get into all of that because,

(03:23):
man, I just think we're allpumped.
We're fans.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, just beyond what we already know.
He's a huge fundraiser likeMake-A-Wish and things like that
.
I got to thinking about thattoo.
When we have St Jude events andthings like that, we'll get
like a hey, it's another signedguitar.
I imagine his charities, thestuff, the swag that he could
get the auction items rightfantastic, that's interesting we

(03:51):
gotta hit him up for some right, for some uh, auction items for
saint jude and things like thatthat's awesome.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
We hope you guys are excited as we are.
Let's not waste any more time.
Here we go.
Welcome kirk, herb street.
Thank, you thank you so much.
Yeah, man, it's great to bewith you guys.
Oh, man, so you know it's funny, we, if we don't, we've never
met, which is always fun.
You get on the google.
You find all the things thatare true and not true.

(04:17):
But one thing I couldn't findis what kind of musical
preference you have.
Do you listen to music?
Do you listen to any kind ofwhat's on the Kirk?
I kind of like it all.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
I honestly, I grew up more with, probably, r&b and
hip hop and then moving toNashville and I think probably
got me.
Well, actually I met, I metKenny Chesney back in like 01,
went to one of his shows.
I wasn't a guy that went to alot of concerts.
01 went to one of his shows.
I wasn't a guy that went to alot of concerts, I was, you know

(04:48):
, busy with sports, uh.
But I went to one of his shows,had an absolute blast and my
version of of country before Imet kenny was kind of more of
old school and more like, youknow, banjo and more of that
type of thing and I I just neverreally listened to it.
And then, when I listened toKenny, and then I moved to
Nashville, then I started tolisten to Jason, I listened to

(05:09):
Luke, I listened to Luke Combs,everybody.
So I've probably become more ofa country fan than I am of
anything else, but I like it all.
I listen to everything Nice,not hard rock I never got into
what would you consider hardrock, though?

Speaker 5 (05:26):
what falls in that like metal or classic rock metal
, see I grew up in the 80s, thehair bands yeah and it was never
.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Van Halen was probably about the only one that
I would hear okay, we're good.
Yeah, maybe more like REOSpeedwagon, maybe because they
had the hair I can listen tosome acdc now, but but back then

(05:57):
it was just like when it getslike, um, they're taking the
guitar and they just want to hitit against something, yeah, I
just never really.
Now my buddy, a guy I work with, chris Fowler, he'll go to the
metal where they actually jumpand hit each other.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
You are kidding me, mosh pits.
He goes to that.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
I'm too old for that See, I'm just serious.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah .

Speaker 3 (06:18):
I'm serious he does that.
That would hurt your back.
Yeah, I'm going to aggravatethe hurt back in a mosh pit,
tell me what that is.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
I can't even picture Chris Fowler in a mosh pit.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yes, he loves it.
He loves the heavier the metalthe better.
That's amazing.
Hold on, he's not down in thepit right.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
He's up in a suite watching right.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
No, he's out there, he's throwing shots.
No, I swear to you, I'm toomuch of a germaphobe, for that I
couldn't do that.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
I'm with you.
I couldn't do that.
The Navash pit Kalo is yourworst nightmare.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
All the germs down there.
Buddy, what if you were playingon the stage and you're looking
?

Speaker 1 (06:53):
down at that.
Is that just?

Speaker 5 (06:55):
You imagine at a show you're like oh what the hell is
going exactly right.

Speaker 6 (07:01):
That's their fan base .
They can't kick them out, rightthat's what they expect more
blood, the better yeah yeah goshI would not be part of that, so
okay, so this is that.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
For me is this technically, the off season for
you like off season for us,actually is an off season.
People think when we're nottouring, we're not working,
we're actually probably busieroh yeah creating and getting
ready, but you, uh, what's thatlike for you?

Speaker 1 (07:27):
the quote unquote off season well, when I had, I had
four kids and they were younger,I was, I I went from football
season to uber driver.
You know, I just drove them toschool.
I drove them doing them.
You know, my wife, we have foursons, so it's like you take him
to football, I'll take this oneback to school.
You know, it was just constantand I loved it and I loved I was

(07:49):
, you know, in the trenches, uh,as far as being a dad and and
just wanting to be around themand I love that uh part of my
life.
And then they started to driveand then they moved out.
My youngest just moved out.
We just put him uh up in school, up in Ann Arbor about just a
month ago.
So now it's a very differentoffseason.

(08:10):
You know, empty nesters and mywife and I are kind of figuring
out that stage in life.
But yeah, when I get to thenational championship let's say
it's January 20th from January21 to about March, I just try to
go away, just try to unplug.
You guys probably can relate tothat.
But you're right, I mean theoffseason, there's still things

(08:30):
to do.
You're always keeping up withthe NFL and college football.
You're always having anappearance or you have something
that's going on.
So you consider it theoffseason, because it's not the
grind that you have from Augustto January, but there's still
stuff going on for sure.

Speaker 6 (08:48):
I, I gotta admit, when you started calling nfl
games I just kind of went let'ssee neil.
Neil, I love the nfl, don't getme wrong.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
You don't like the nfl, you hate the nfl no, I
don't, yes, you do.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
No, I don't, yes, you do.
I don't, yes, you do.
He.
I don't hate the NFL at all, hejust watches college movies.
Who's your NFL team?
You didn't have one.

Speaker 6 (09:06):
I mean, I'm always going to be a Titans supporter,
always but if they lose, I was aDolphin fan.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
There you go.
Okay, you bounce around.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
He bounces around.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
There were some Bama guys that played for bunch of
guys, right, but if the titanslose to the texans verse, if
alabama loses to lsu, what's thedifference in your I could give
two shits.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
But now about the titans.
You know football's in this.
Yeah, I'm with you, man.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
I hear you when we went to more games though, like,
like, when we had titans, wehad psls me and my brother and
it was really fun, you know, andit was back in the bench, young
days and they're oh yeah,winning a little bit here and
there, but they started gettingreally progressively worse.

Speaker 7 (09:47):
And you're paying all that money yeah, every year,
and you're paying it in februarywhen there's no football, right
it's like hey, send in sevengrand for next season I said
next season.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
I don't know if I want to do that yeah, so how?
Long did you do it?
And we did it for like threeyears, okay, and now it's crazy
expensive with the new stadium,so hopefully, I know I haven't
looked into that.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Now that I moved back to town I got to inquire.
I can't imagine the tickets andwhat that's going to be for.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
PSL.
I think you'll be a lot morediscounted than we might be.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
How about the fact that they're putting that new
stadium in?
How badly has this town neededand deserved a new stadium?
It's going to be fantastic, I'mguessing.
And uh, you know, the superbowl, national championship,
final four, not to mention allthe other events that'll be
going on.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
Yeah, that place is going to be awesome, national.
Such a great destination.
I guess primarily forbachelorettes.

Speaker 6 (10:38):
But now it's becoming more of a when they had the
draft here, though it was, oh,it was, they should do the draft
here every year.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
That was actually really fun, don't you think that
was?

Speaker 3 (10:47):
actually great.
We went down to Aldine's barthat night, we all went down and
it was down there Wall to wall.
I'm not really a.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
I could really care less who gets drafted, because
at the end of the day, good ornot, I'm a pro football guy and
until you get to the pros andyou, you do well.
So the patriots make their pick.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
You, you're not, I mean you're excited about that
pick.
Yeah, yeah, I'm excited whenhe's still in mourning he's
still in mourning.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
No, I'm I'm in, I'm in you guys are yeah, you guys
got a whole new beginning.
You hit bottom and now you'restarting.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
You're gonna yeah, I mean we got a bunch of free
agents, we got got a QB.

Speaker 6 (11:24):
I mean I feel pretty good about things I got to know.
Do you have a favorite NFL team?

Speaker 1 (11:29):
I was kind of like you.
I grew up in Ohio in Ohio Stateand college football was
everything to me you had theBrowns and I grew up in
southwest Ohio, so you had theBrowns in northeast and
Cincinnati in southwest.
But I grew up again 70s, 80s,and I was in that era.
You were either a Steelers fanor a Cowboys fan, and I was a

(11:50):
Cowboys fan.
I loved Roger Staubach and TonyDorsett and all those teams,
yeah.
And then I I became, as I gotolder, I became more of a
Bengals fan, but not if theylose.
It's kind of like, you know youmove on to the next thing,
whereas if, when I was a kid ofohio state lost, you know you're
crying, it's devastation, right?
Um, so I I've always loved thenfl, not.

(12:10):
But college is just different.
It like runs through my veins,you know, I just, I just love
every aspect of of college, eventhough it's changing uh, so
fast and so much.

Speaker 5 (12:20):
But the college energy around those stadiums you
just can't beat that well, soyou mentioned sorry, kayla, I
just didn't want to gloss overthis because he mentions, uh,
ohio state.
Your dad played at ohio state,from what I read, and you did,
uh, your one son is that ohiostate, but now you have a son in
ann arbor.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, I mean my wife cheered at ohio state.
Yeah, my dad was a captain.
He coached after he played withWoody Hayes, coached with Bo
Schembechler as well.
My dad taught me in a verydifferent way than most of your
Ohio State fans today.
My dad taught me to respectMichigan.
Like the one day you play them,it's all hands on deck, destroy

(13:00):
them.
But if they played Notre Damein a non-conference game or they
played USC in a Rose Bowl, myhouse, we, we respected Michigan
and and cheered, not cheered,but you, you were okay with them
winning.
Yeah, really yeah.
That's how my dad raised meamazing yeah, but it was a very
different era man for thatrivalry, but you have to
understand, like today, it'smore like everything else.

(13:21):
you know, it's chat rooms andhate and it's just insanity.
In the in the in the seventiesand eighties, when Bo and Woody,
who are best friends, werecompeting against each other, it
was, it was a again, it was akill you that day mentality, but
it was a respect, because allthose recruits that went to Ohio
state of Michigan it came downto, you're either going to Ohio

(13:42):
state or you're going toMichigan in that era, and so
they mirrored one another.
They hated each other, but in akind of a respectful way.
Today, it's more, they don't,in my opinion, understand the
rivalry, the history of therivalry.
It's more just hate.
It's hate, hate, hate.
It really is.
And I think Tennessee would beup there.
I think Alabama is up there.

(14:03):
You know people that just liveit.
To me that's a good thing.
They live it, breathe it.
It's 12 months out of the year,but I think those are.
Florida maybe is up there.
You know most of the SECschools.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
I think are up there Tennessee, he's involved.
Florida is actually the onlyteam and family that I really
just really tough to like.
Yeah, it team and family thatreally just really tough to like
.
Yeah, it's like, it's like it'shard to pull for them, but but
it's like, uh, you know, likeyou said, fan bases hate each
other nowadays, when sometimesyou'd pull for them, like like
hey, florida wins, that kind ofhelps tennessee, I feel like the
sec cheer.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Like I've been to so many bowl games where the fan
base of the team they love theirteam, but the other sec fans
they're right there going secsec if if someone they're
supposed to hate beats a big 10school, they usually get the sec
chant going, which is amazingto me, because you would never
see that in any other conferencewhere they chant big 10 or big

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12.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
you don't ever hear that that SEC pride is different
.
If your team's out, then youwant to put.
The next closest thing is I'mpulling for Georgia or Alabama,
whoever's?

Speaker 3 (15:12):
going to do the SEC.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
I would do that.
If Alabama's out, do you pullfor the SEC team to win?
Not really.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
If we're out.
Where are you?
I think the majority of peopledo yeah and Neil is not the
majority type of guy at all.

Speaker 6 (15:30):
I mean, we had nothing else growing up.
It was Alabama or Auburn and wedidn't have pro sports.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
I don't like it Like as a baseball fan.
We love the Red Sox.
I am never going.
Oh, the Yankees got in, theywon it, I'm happy.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
I want to say this I think it's a brotherhood in the
SEC.

Speaker 6 (15:46):
Yeah, I really do If Tennessee's playing Ohio State,
I'm probably pulling forTennessee yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Probably Really.
You should have pulled harderthat last game I would.

Speaker 6 (15:56):
I mean, I would, how about Auburn's playing Michigan?
Auburn's not even a factor tous anymore.
Until he brings them back.
I mean it's just it's kind ofbeen it's been ownership.
It's kind of been boring yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
It's been boring, it really has.
They almost got you two yearsago, I know.
Remember the Hail Mary there atthe end.

Speaker 6 (16:22):
When Saban left, it was just kind of like how are
you doing without Saban there?
How are you doing?
He's not good.
He's actually not doing well.
No, I am, because he's helpingwith recruiting and everything,
so he hadn't left.
He still has a spot down there.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, but what about Coach DeBoer?

Speaker 6 (16:34):
I was going to ask you that question.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
I like him.
You know, I think anyone,anybody that steps into nick's
saving shoes while he's stillthere and still, like you said,
going to games around theprogram caitlin devore is an
awesome coach.
I mean you can't argue that.
But it's just like um brianharson's a great coach.
But you know you go into thatculture and you're not from

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there like nick went, from fromMichigan State, kind of more
from the Midwest down to LSU.
I think there were a lot of LSUfans like who the heck is this
guy?
And then he won and he won themover and that's what Alabama's
going to have to do with KalenMoore.
He's going to have to.
He's not going to do it the wayCoach Saban did.
It Very, very different, but Ivery, very different.

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But I hope people respect who heis as a coach.
He's a really good coach.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
He's just not nick savin.
You know, is it kind ofdifferent for you?
I mean being at the top of yourgame as as leading sports
analysts and, uh, media guy.
When savin's on set, like doyou ever?
Just as I know you're a playerwith one of the biggest levels
and um, but when he's on there,like as as a newbie in that
world, yeah and uh, is itdifferent?
Like do you think about thingsyou're saying, when you're

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analyzing things, thinking Iwonder what coach?

Speaker 1 (17:52):
that's a great question, you know I tell you,
man, it it's been amazing.
He and I've been friendly for along.
You're either kind of in thecircle or you're out and I, for
whatever reason.
I've been in the circle withhim since like 1997 when he was
at Michigan State, and I've I Imean, we've had conversations
when he's been a coach off therecord and and I've known him in

(18:14):
a very different way.
So when he comes on our set,the thing that blew me away was
he's coming to me and asking mequestions like he's a freshman
in college.
He didn't come in like I'm NickSaban.
Look at the credentials, googleme, you know who I am.
He was the opposite.
He was more like we would do asegment and then he would look

(18:36):
at because he's sitting righthere.
He'd look over at me.
He's like, was that all right?
He wants feedback, he wants youand he don't want you to pat
him on the back and say, oh,that was great.
Like if it's not good, he wantsyou to tell him how can I be
better?
Like he's incredibly invested.
So what I've found is I'venever tried to be a know-it-all
Like.
I've never tried to like talkdown to an audience.

(18:58):
I try to talk with the audienceand so with Coach there.
Of course he could schoolanybody and everybody when it
came to like, let's get on ablackboard and talk football.
But he, if desmond howard makesa comment about something,
analytically, coach saban looksat it and respects what he's
saying.
If I make a comment, pat mcafee, anybody coach never looks at

(19:19):
anybody like.
How about this dumbass?
like he is just he respectsanybody that's put time and
effort and work into their craftand, if anything, he's he's the
one trying to learn tv and he'sthe one that's trying to like
like kind of stay on board withbroadcasting, like he's a great
coach but he's new tobroadcasting, and instead of

(19:41):
acting like no at all, completeoppositeall complete opposite,
he's been more of teach me, likehelp me which I think has a lot
to do with his success becausehe really has done well.
I think you know, when you havea show like College Game Day,
it's probably like being in aband.
You have a built-in chemistry.

(20:02):
That is very natural.
And when you bring a DavidPollack in or you bring some,
you know Rhys Davis had tobecome that new guy.
You know it's tough to fit inwith that and what we've always
tried to do proactively go todinners, hang out, make that
person feel they're part of itand not be intimidated by your.

(20:25):
It's us and you.
You have to earn your way to getin here because tv, when you're
doing live tv, there's nosafety net, you know.
You know you have to protecteach other, you have to be a
team and I don't know if youever watch college game day,
hopefully you can feel there'slike if coach is talking, I'm
listening to him.
I'm not like looking at mynotes and you know I'm.
If desmond's talking, I'mlistening to him.
So there's like if coach istalking, I'm listening to him.
I'm not like looking at mynotes and you know I'm.

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If desmond's talking, I'mlistening to him.
So there's a serious bond thereand it's hard to become that new
guy and fit in.
But I think coach fit inbecause of how he kind of came
in with his hat in his hand andwe reached out to try to make
him feel same with pat mcafee,make these guys feel part of it.
And uh, because that camera manit catches when you're natural

(21:08):
and it's organic versus phony.
You know, if you think aboutshows you watch, you can tell
right right away if it's forcedor if it's real and hopefully we
come across is real, like we'retalking right now that's kind
of how we talk.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
That's why that show is so unique, because you can
feel that it's just aconversation between guys that
know the game yeah, it's justlove it.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
You know, just love the game every time we play a
college stadium or arena orsomething blows my mind.
Like I said, I'm not thebiggest college football fan,
but you know my wife went togeorgia and now dean georgia, so
it's you know yeah I'm kind offollow the bulldogs and it's fun
yeah and I enjoy the newplayoff system fun.
I actually like that, but everytime we played uh tuscaloosa a

(21:53):
couple two years ago you guyscame out and we're, and so I
always always blown away, though, by the facilities at these big
schools it's amazing.
No, I I'm serious, we've beenaround the NFL guys too, and
it's great yeah.
We go down to.

Speaker 6 (22:09):
Alabama and we're walking through.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
We're like hey, can we go?

Speaker 6 (22:12):
work out at the facility.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Save your last for later.
You look good.
So we go over to the gym andwe're walking through the hall
with the trophies.

Speaker 6 (22:25):
I'm like this is amazing, it's called crystal.
Yes.
I mean it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
When we get to the gym.
I'm not kidding you, I need astepstool to even get up on the
machines.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
Stepstool to use a urinal.
Oh yeah, we're short.
I mean, wait a minute.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
It's impressive.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Can we get more weights off?

Speaker 6 (22:46):
of this, we're the small plates, but I mean, it's
almost turned into a competitionnow yeah, I mean oregon.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
I saw oregon's amazing in alabama it's so cool,
you're, you're working out andyou're looking at the practice
field and it's like, wow, thisis, this is way better than like
that was the same.

Speaker 6 (23:03):
That's the samean of the.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
NFL.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Dallas is pretty cool .
Dallas is about the only onethat would probably be up in
Frisco.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
The ACMs are there now, and so that's always pretty
impressive.
But it's Dallas, so you expectthat.
But the SEC schools especiallyseem like they're just like this
is college football, yeah,anyway, lots of money, the Big
Ten, lots of money, especiallyseem like they're just like this
, this is, this is collegefootball, yeah anyway, yeah, the
big 10, lots of money, really,almost all the big, the big
schools big 10, the sec, the big12, yeah packed.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
What used to be the pack 12 is now kind of all over
there in the big 10 and the big12 in the sec.
But yeah, they're all I mean.
You walk in and it's like holycow.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
It's amazing.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
Yeah, it is.
It is beautiful.
I assume that's part of therecruiting tool.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, and also it's not just recruiting.
I think it's a big part ofmaking the players you know
enjoy what they have and wantthem to come over to the
facility.
You know you'll have a golfsimulator, you have a bowling
alley, a golf simulator, youhave a bowling alley.
They're doing everything theycan to get the guys off of these

(24:08):
and over to the facility.
Instead of sitting aroundwatching a movie, they want them
over at the facility.
So they make it that way.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, for recruiting, of course, but also to let the
players enjoy their time whenthey're there, and the fan
experience too, which is hugebecause it's so easy to stay at
home and watch it.
Stadiums are just putting a lotof cool stuff in for the fans,
so you can enjoy game day.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, for sure.
I want to ask you have you beento a college football game?
No, I'm serious.

Speaker 5 (24:35):
Like in person?
No, actually, I've never beento one either.
What?
No, I haven't.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
No, she used to go to all the georgia games and my
son, my son likes to go, he'll,he'll go up to like uh, he went
to a couple tennessee games andhe, he, I mean.
So I've never seen or beingwhere I'm from.
It's like college football,just wasn't totally.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
I, most of my friends from the east coast.
They're all giants fans andyankees fans and red socks.
So I get it.
And when I tell people andhopefully we can do this a year,
we'll do another show a yearfrom now, and I, what I would
ask you guys to do, seriously,go to a, a georgia game, go to a
tennessee game.

Speaker 6 (25:10):
Go to a go to a.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Go to a.
Go to a real college footballgame, a good experience, rival
game, and and then we'll circleback next year and you'll be
like, okay, I get it, like I'mtelling you, go, go three or
four hours early, go to thetailgate around the stadium,
because I do both nfl andcollege, yeah, and it's almost

(25:33):
like two different sports.
Like, if you go and see it inperson, go with your wife to
athens, you will die, like youyou will.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
You will not believe the fan experience from a
college, big college game versusan nfl game so when I moved, I
moved here in 96 and I Icouldn't I mean right away, I
think, the first fall I was herethat later, that fall 96, I
couldn't believe what I wasseeing, like it was, I mean the

(26:02):
vols yeah, the vols won it in 98, you know.
So it's, it's uh, for somereason I'm not growing up with
it yeah, I get it man yeah, Iremember watching, like, watch a
lot of like notre dame games ontelevision on the dc, um, you
know.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
But yeah, but it's red side, it's red socks, it's,
it's it's brewing.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
This is yeah for sure that's you know so, but I do
enjoy watching college football,I mean if you.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
I'm just telling you it's not just a game, it's the,
it's the, the sense of community, the, the alumni, right,
they're, they're, they're kids,and then their kids become the
parents and then they have kids,and it's just the, the tents
that are up, the smokers thatare going.
When I go to an nfl tailgate,they're tailgating, they're

(26:50):
going crazy, but it doesn't feel.
You know, everyone's got ajersey on um, but it feels a
little more aggressive in an nflscene.
College is more of a.
It feels more traditional.
It feels more of a.
It feels more traditional, itfeels more of a community.
When you go to a college game,the game is fun, the game is

(27:11):
insane.
But I'm just talking about theentire experience.
I think you would find reallyinteresting, if you've never
been, in comparison to what youknow, which is Red Sox, pats.
You know Bruins, celtics.
I'd love to hear what you think.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Well, I'll come to your game and I'll come on game
day.

Speaker 6 (27:28):
Yeah, that'd be great .
That'd be great.
Do you think, though, that you?

Speaker 5 (27:32):
know I understand what you're saying with college
football and all that.
Do you think and you started tomention it with the way the
business of college football ischanging NIL, transfer portal,
portal, realignment of theconferences, like?
I find this interesting youwere at ohio state for three
years and you didn't play.
You played your senior year.

(27:54):
It was great, but would youngkirk herb street have entered
the transfer portal right if itwas in today's rules.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
So a couple things.
Number one, the sport, becauseI think a lot of us that are
diehard college football fansare worried about all this
change.
Realignment portal nil is isthis game we all love changing
right before our eyes and goingto be like kind of a mini nfl?
Yeah, my, my thing on this is,instead of just saying I'm a

(28:24):
traditionalist and this is theway it should be, and I have to
in my job, I have to be willingto change with the times and
what I've found is, as long asthat Alabama jersey runs out
onto the field in Bryant-Denny,those fans on that Saturday I'll
tell you this the energy inthese stadiums over the last

(28:45):
couple years and the interest inthe sport, believe it or not,
has never been higher.
So, with all this madness andchaos and all the arguments
around the sport in theoffseason, when you get to
September it's the same energy.
It still feels the same yeahyeah Now your point about me

(29:06):
going through.
I was a five-star, could havegone to any school in the
country, picked Ohio State,obviously my dad was a captain
there.
I was going to go there allalong and then I fell flat on my
face and what I learned was Iwas an option quarterback
learning how to do a seven-stepdrop.
Why am I here is what I thought.
Why did I pick this school,this offense?

(29:28):
It doesn't fit who I am.
So I, but I didn't look throughit a lens like where do I fit?
I looked at it through a lenslike since I was two years old,
growing like if you grew up inAlabama, you're gonna you have
an opportunity to play atAlabama, you're gonna go play at
Alabama.
That's how I was at Ohio Stateand so I did want to quit.
I did.
I was 18, 19, 20.
My dad was not a hands-on F youyour plan.

(29:52):
He was more of encouragementgive it another spring.
You know things are going toget better and eventually I
ended up becoming a captain ofthe team, mvp, most
inspirational player, and what Ilike about that is man.
What I learned going throughthat?

(30:12):
I went through the depths ofjust and maybe you guys
understand it in your guys'careers.
I went through hell and insteadof quitting because of my dad's
encouragement, and I went to apsychologist sports psychologist
which back then when I went tohis office, I was like making
sure no one was looking when Iwent in because I didn't want my
boys to like make fun of mebecause no one went to a sports

(30:35):
psychologist in 1990.
Meanwhile I was going in thereevery week and this guy was
helping me rebuild me and my dad, kind of like whoever your
circle is, uh, in your faith,you know, whatever that is got
me through to that point where Iended up being a captain and so
and it changed me and it mademe, hopefully, a better man and

(30:56):
a better father and a betteremployee at espn and, and I
think, going through adversity,I, you know, as a dad myself
with my four boys, you know theygo to okil and maybe they don't
get to do what they wanted todo, but you know what I had to
learn.
It's OK, they're playing LittleLeague baseball, they're not
the starting shortstop, you know, they're in the outfield, and
it's like they had to go througha lot of shit and I at first,

(31:18):
as a dad struggled with that andthen, as time has gone on, I
like, I really like theadversity and I stay away and I
want them to figure it outbecause it's going to help them
grow, to become the people thatthey need to become.
So yeah, looking back at it,it's easy to say, well, if NIL
were there I would have left.
But, man, it changed my life.

(31:39):
Going through what I wentthrough and hopefully my kids
going through you know what theygo through it's it's helping
them.
So I encourage people to gothrough adversity, have your
support group to help you getthrough it.
But, man, it it really shapesyou.
I think we all grow and developand and really become better
people when we go through that,that crap that we want to avoid.

(32:02):
And my fear is these kids.
Today they go in as a five-starto alabama or tennessee and
they're going to be a stud andthey're on the bench and the
coach just told them to come inat 6 am because they didn't go
to class and they're like manf,this, I'm out, and it's like
what do we?
The value of football isn'tjust saturdays and sundays.
The value of football isn'tjust Saturdays and Sundays.

(32:23):
The value of football is, youget knocked down and you learn
to get back up.
You know, you learn about team.
You learn it's not about you,it's about us and what we do.
That's the value, and my fearis we lose that in this process
of the change of portal and NIL.

(32:43):
So don't get me wrong.
I mean Joe Burrow left OhioState, went to LSU and it worked
out great.
I mean you could go down thelist.
Cam Ward bounced around acouple of different places,
first pick.
So I'm not saying don'ttransfer, I'm just saying for me
, I'm so thankful that I wentthrough what I went through
because of how, yeah, would?
I would love to start for threeyears and go to three Rose

(33:04):
Bowls.
Absolutely, that would have my.
That was my dream, um, but itdidn't happen and I had to
accept that and I had to learnfrom it and grow.
And so I hope, I hope kidsstill go through those tough
times and don't just abandonship and and leave, because I
think there's real value ingoing through that.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
So well said it.
And the parallel that you said,like as far as somebody moving
to town, uh, like no singer orsongwriter moves to Nashville as
a five-star, like we're allwalk-ons yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Oh sure.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
And so that is interesting, just to prove.
So we come here and we're,we're nothing, nobody, nobody
knows your name.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
And it's crucial as a young person to go through
disappointments.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, you imagine not doing that, I don't know, I
mean that's life.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Every day life is hard.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
It seems like the victories would be shallower if
you didn't have the adversityFor sure, for sure.

Speaker 5 (33:57):
We had Gary LaVox on and he said something along
those lines.
He's like these kids or people,whatever you know, whatever
field you're in, they don't knowhow to fail right and get
yourself out of it and gothrough the adversity.
And you know you startedtalking about you sports and I
know that you have a bigplatform and I I applaud what
you're doing because, like I'm a, I'm a dad of a kid.

(34:19):
That's in sports and you getcaught up in, yeah, keeping up
with the joneses.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yes, you know, amen, and it's, it's really hard and
you get caught up in, yeah,keeping up with the Joneses.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
Yes, you know, and it's it's really hard and it's
like, oh well, you got to makethis team and you got to do this
.
And it's like, no, you actuallydon't let them be kids Like my
kid.
He's a shy kid, these guys knowhim.
He's a shy kid.
He good athlete, but in sportshe shines right.

(34:47):
That's where he like is himselfand it's like so I want to push
that on him, but at his pace aswell.
It's like I want him to havefun and not get caught up and
saying you got to make thetravel team here because that's
how you get to the next levelyeah, that's a challenge, you
think it is that I I'm glad youmentioned that.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
As parents too, I think you know social media is
kind of a negative sometimeswith that too, because you know
parents and they only post thepositive things right.
So you know the kids don't seeother kids struggling like
you're like you know I mean so.
They only see kids succeeding.
So they feel like maybe they'renot succeeding enough, because
on instagram this kid's goingfour for four yeah, three

(35:26):
doubles, but they're not seeingthe celebration zone here when
he goes over two or over threeand striking out.
So it's like that way andeverything like everybody sees
everybody succeeding, notrealizing that everybody's also
going through the struggles.
Yeah, so at least that's whatit looks like, you, you know to
me sometimes.

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Speaker 1 (37:07):
I think we have an epidemic in youth sports.
I think it's a huge problem andit's the system.
It's not just social media,it's the system of you're eight
years old and you're going toplay 55 games and the coach
carries around rings becausehe's won three rings in the last
three years and it's just likethey're eight.

(37:27):
You know, like let's teach themthe fundamentals of ground
balls hit to the shortstop manon first.
Where do we go with the ball?
Like let's figure that out.
You know not, not launch, angleand exit velocity and all that.
That's the truth, though youknow, and and you got to make
this travel team and you gotseven uniforms and when I played
and I'm not saying this is theway it should, but I'm just

(37:48):
saying you had a green jerseyand white pants, you, you had a
blue one, you had red and youhad a.
It was just like, and it was aafter the game it was a race to
the concession stand to get your, your, your treat and whatever
it was, and then you hung out atthe park and you might go in
the Creek and might go over tothe pool, and it was summer, it
was it was fun.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
And it's just like we're stealing that from kids
and from families.
Because what you're saying iscause I've lived this, I want to
go down to 30 a I want to godown to Rosemary with my kids
when they're six, seven, eight,nine, 10.
And it's like, well, we got atournament in Indiana and we got
to do that one.
Then we're going to go toAtlanta.
I'm like they're nine, like whyare we taking away family

(38:32):
experiences to go to an effingtournament in Indiana for our
nine-year-old?
Like stupid.
I just think I don't know whatthe answer is other than go back
to playing rec ball.
But I just think it'sridiculous that they do travel
ball.
It's a moneymaker.
They're putting the parents inreally tough positions because

(38:52):
if Johnny doesn't make the teamcertain team, he feels like a
failure.
He may quit the sport.
He may just be like you knowwhat?
All my buddies are on that team.
I didn't make it and it'sdevastating to face that at 11
or 12 years old.
And so I don't know what all mybuddies are on that team.
I didn't make it and it'sdevastating to face that at 11
or 12 years old.
And so I don't know what theanswer is other than don't feel
that pressure after goingthrough it with four boys.

(39:14):
What matters is high school,like all the bullshit that
happens before you get to highschool and all the pressure you
feel as a dad to oh my God, webetter do this, we better get
that bat.
It's as a dad to oh my god, webetter do this, we better get to
get that bat.
We gotta, it's all bullshit.
Until they get to about eighthgrade, ninth grade, that's when
the cream starts to rise andthat's when you realize does my
kid have a chance to to playhigh school ball or not?

(39:36):
In about eighth or ninth grade.
And then it becomes moreserious and then it becomes
tournaments, and but not whenthey're in elementary school and
early part of middle school.
But that's, that's the way itis in baseball, that's the way
it's becoming football now, withsummer league camps, and
basketball has been doing thatforever with aau it's just
hockey.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
It's insane, is it?
On the parents?
Is that where the problemstarts?
Because you know everybody, youthink your kid is the next
tiger woods and if I have himplaying golf, since he's two and
specialize which, by the way,we're lucky enough to know a lot
of athletes they say, don'tspecialize that's the worst
thing you can do that but likethe parents are like oh man, he
could be the next tiger woods.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
If I just make him funny, you bring that up every
day, I know, as you weregoogling, if you heard me say
this, I call.
I call our era of parenting thethe earl woods syndrome.
Oh, I didn't hear that, butthat's interesting.
I call it the earl woodssyndrome because we all saw all
the video of tiger woods when hewas about four years old on the
whatever johnny carson show orwhatever it was, and he hits the

(40:38):
golf ball.
And then earl woods is talkingabout he just he golfs, he golfs
.
And we were all like that'swhat.
That's what you need to do yeah,yeah, and my thing with my kids
was listen, if you play guitaror you play piano or you're in
acting or you play, you're goingto play sports, you're either
all in or or we're going to findsomething else to do.
That was all I cared about wasyou.

(41:00):
You got to work at whateveryour craft is, you know, and,
and if you're going toparticipate, then you got to try
at whatever your craft is, youknow.
And if you're going toparticipate, then you got to try
to be good at it.
You got to try your best topractice and be the best you can
be.
And it wasn't like I was forcingsports on him, it was just my
hobbies eventually kind ofbecame their hobbies, but I was
very much a stickler on.
You have to create a work ethicfor whatever it is you're

(41:23):
participating in.
Like I said, if he would have,if my kids would have been in
acting, then I would have beenlike we're going to work hard at
acting and that's that's.
If you can do that, if you cancreate a work ethic and an
appreciation.
You guys all know what it takesto be good at whatever it is
you do.
That's all you.
If they're not doing that.
Forget all theoneses you'retrying to keep up with.

(41:45):
If, in your house, your kid'snot investing in in whatever it
is he's participating in, he'sgot to find something else to do
.
Um, because that that that hasto be learned at a young age how
much you need to work to becomegood at something.
So that that's that's what I.
I kind of came to grips with,as opposed to because I was like
you, I was shit.

(42:05):
They're making that team and,oh my God, my heart would be
going to tryouts.
I'd be like, oh God, oh God, Ihope they do good.

Speaker 6 (42:12):
I'd be so nervous.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
I'm just like why am I doing this?
This is insane.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
So hey, good luck.
It's a tough world.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
It sounds like he loves it and it's a tough world
no no no, it sounds like heloves it and it's cool.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
It sounds like he's shy and then he goes to the
field and he's maybe in hisworld.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
I think we try to concentrate on that.
Hey, if you're having fun,that's what matters.
We try not to put pressure onthem in anything.
So hopefully we're doing okay,but it is hard, it's a struggle
every day, yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I'm we're doing okay, but it is hard, it's a struggle
every day.
Yeah, I'm not even gonna lie.
Well, my last recommendation isno matter what your, your kid
does, son or daughter, you go tothe event.
They did good, they didn't dogood, whatever happened.
They get back in the car and tome it's hey, you want to go to
sonic, hey, you want to.
Where do you want to go?
Grab something to eat?
Like it's not man, whathappened on that one ground ball
?
Yeah, I, you know that you guyswould have won the game.
You know it's.
Don't even the parents reliveit relentlessly.

(43:12):
Don't talk about whatever goodor bad.
Yeah, you know, maybe if theydid good it's, they walk up to
you, just quick high five or aquick hug and then, and then
it's like hey, you know you'regoing over the pool or you know
it.
Just make them feel likethey're safe when they get in
the car.
Because where I had to have acome to Jesus with myself was
when my kids were young.

(43:32):
We still lived in Ohio, theywere about in third grade and I
was coaching and my competitivespirit was getting the best of
me and I started to.
One time I caught myself seeingmy kids eyes and how they were
looking at me like almost likescared, because I I was man, I'm
a competitor.
You know, like I cannot takethat out of me.

(43:52):
And I caught myself and Ithought I want to be friends
with my sons when they're intheir 20s.
I want them to want to come tomy house and I want to have a
relationship with them way morethan I want them to be third in
the batting order and hit 500and whatever.
So I stopped coaching, I wentinto the stands and I became

(44:17):
just like good job.
You know, like I don't.
I'm thankful that I caughtmyself because I was on that
conveyor belt of just charge,hard charging, because of the
competitive spirit that you haveas a dad.
And I put that to the sideearly and I'm thankful because
you know you still have moments.

(44:38):
You can't help that, but I, youknow, if you ask my sons, I
think they would tell you therewas a difference from early to.
I learned through trial anderror because there was.
That's the best way to learn isgoing through it.
But there's a lot there, as adad, when you get in that car
and you want to say something,especially if you know something
that could help them.
You want to tell them can't doit you know, in my opinion it's

(45:01):
best to maybe talk to them laterabout it, but not in the.
I wouldn't do it.
That's a great point.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Well, kurt, I know we only got you for a couple more
hours, but before you go I wantto see if you can help settle a,
let's say, a heated debate thatTully and I had on the last
episode.
It hadn't came out yet, but itwill probably soon.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
I don't know if I remember this.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
No, but I want to know because Tully studies,
quarterbacks and stuff like thatand he considers himself an
analyst.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
And so I don't.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
That's not a that's not a bust because you do follow
quarterbacks to go a lot muchmore than I do, so I can't wait
to speak Well.
So the Pats came up and TomBrady and he really went on a
rant about Tom Brady.
I wasn't saying anything.
Tom Brady's great, but then allof a sudden out of nowhere,
after we had already disagreedon a couple of the things he
said.
Oh, and Peyton Manning?
He's overrated.

(45:54):
I'm like where did that comefrom?
Why, all of a sudden, are webusting on Peyton Manning?
This is perfect.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Do you think?

Speaker 2 (46:01):
like Tully, that Peyton Manning is overrated.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
I don't think Peyton Manning's overrated.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
He's overrated.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Thank you and thank you, but I also think Tom
Brady's the best to ever do it.

Speaker 6 (46:14):
We all agreed on that .

Speaker 2 (46:16):
See how is Peyton overrated.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
He's overrated this way.
If you ask a football fan, ifyou ask a K-Lo football fan, you
mention Peyton Manning and forsome reason he's at the top of
everyone's list.
I think he's good, I think.
I think he left a couple on thetable.
I didn't throw the greatestball.

Speaker 6 (46:39):
You don't know college football, obviously no,
he was overrated in college.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
Wait, wait, wait.
He was overrated in collegewhen I moved here in the years,
I can say 96.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
So I was here during the Peyton Manning years.

Speaker 5 (46:51):
Yeah, you were right there.
For two years they were winning, that's great, but they didn't
win a championship until he left.
It was the next year with TeamMartin.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
Yeah, but he got things rolling Same team except
different quarterback.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
He got things rolling .
It's a bounce of a ball.
It's different calls.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Let me say that football, football here, uh, my
favorite Peyton Manning spiral.
Not that that means everythingfor the accurate?

Speaker 1 (47:15):
is all that now I?

Speaker 3 (47:16):
do miss the the Peyton Brady matchups.
I miss those but I think Ithink everybody's all Peyton
Manning.
Peyton Manning, I don't know.
I think he's great quarterback,but not as great as everyone
automatically thinks he is Ithink what the reason why most
people appreciated him was.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
He was really a guy that at the line of scrimmage
was doing things that not a lotof quarterbacks were doing, like
there'd be a play that wascalled and he had like really he
was the offensive coordinator Imean he would go, he look at
the defense.
You know everyone does the omaha, but he, he was doing
everything.
He'd look at the defense.
You know everyone does theOmaha, but he was doing
everything.
He's checking the front and Tomwas doing it.

(47:53):
All these guys do it, but tothe level that Peyton was doing
it it was basically like who hasthe chalk last?
The defense is moving around,he's seeing it.
A lot of guys.
They get the call, the defensemoves around and they just kind
of go with the call.
With Peyton you could never dothat because he would always get
oh safety's coming down late,check, check, check.

(48:14):
Like he would always get intothe right play, um, and, and I
mean his leadership, his, what agreat teammate he was.
I mean, when you say he'soverrated, I'm trying to say you
, you don't think what?
What is overrated is he lookedat as one of the top five best
of all time what I was sayingwas I think he's, I think he's a
great quarterback.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
But when you it feels like when I ask people, okay,
who's the best quarterback, theyjust automatically say peyton
manning.
Oh, okay, which?
He's down there.
He's down on the list for mewho you got above him.
Uh, brady's the goat.
We know that, we all agree onthat sure yeah, montana joe
montana.
Yeah, yeah, I mean I you know,there's, I like the brett farves

(48:57):
, the gamers yeah, you know Idon't know if he's better, but I
mean payton's up there.
He's in the top 10.
Is he five kirk?

Speaker 1 (49:04):
I don't know, I don't know, I'm just trying to.
I'm trying to think who I mean?
Mean Dan Marino, john Elway, Ilove Elway, I love Marino,
marino never won.
I mean, even though he's stillin his career, Mahomes is doing
some crazy things.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
I mean Mahomes is pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Think about what we have right now with Josh Allen
and Joe Burrow Josh Allen, lamarJackson, and he does it in a
very different way and he'sMahomes.
I mean we're really fortunate.
You think Lamar will win one, Ithink he will.
I I'm a huge fan of thatfranchise.
The way they do it, they justcan't quite get over the hump.

Speaker 5 (49:35):
So what is it then in the playoffs?
Why do they?

Speaker 4 (49:37):
I couldn't tell you?
Is it just because?

Speaker 5 (49:39):
Mahomes were.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
You know the competition yeah, I think it's
the era that he's in.
Yeah, um, I don't think it's aknock on him.
I think it's it really about,you know, maybe, who they play.
I'm a huge.
I'm not a Ravens fan, but I'm afan of how they go about their
business, like if I, when Iwatch their draft, how they find
pieces that fit the personalityof their team.
I think they're as good asanybody currently in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (50:03):
The Ravens are they don't have they need.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
They've had some good ones, but I think now what they
have on their roster, I thinkthis could maybe get them over
the hump.
They're always going to be afactor, but it's just a matter
of that day.
Do they get it done againstBurrow or against Mahomes?
I mean Josh Allen.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
I love watching Josh Allen.
I mean, those are, I lovewatching.
That's tough.
I love watching Josh Allen play.
Like with the Pats the lastcouple years, you know
struggling.
I actually found myself pulling, which is crazy to say For
Buffalo, just because I reallylike Josh Allen Well, he's going
back to that Brett Favre kindof.
Thing.
Like he's just a but I, but, Ipull for burrow.

(50:47):
I pull for burrow too.
Yeah, I like burrow for thesame reason.
Yeah, you know I love this.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
I love the nfl yeah, yes, I just love the burrow's
never had an offensive line andhe still has been outstanding,
you know and they have a defense.
I mean, he had to outscoreeverybody last year.
Yeah, um, it's a great time inthe nfl man, there's so many
great teams and, like thevikings and the, the NFC are
coming along with all theplayers that they have.
I think JJ McCarthy this yearcould be a real story.

(51:14):
I think he'll step in if he'shealthy.
I think he could do really good49ers kind of rebuilding the
Rams.
Both conferences have a millionstorylines, which I think makes
every Thursday, every Sunday, alot of fun.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
I just can't wait.
I can't wait for football.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
I know that's just what it is.
It's 105.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
And we're in the dead zone now too.

Speaker 6 (51:36):
I know I was getting ready to say that's what's wrong
with the world today, right now, today.
Oh, what you got, it's football.
No, we don't have any football.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
I don't watch the spring leagues because I'm so
excited.
I love to suffer.
And then August 23 hits, that'sweek zero for college football.
Even NFL preseason, there'sjust such a oh my God, here we
go.
Energy All the way to February.
It's so amazing.

Speaker 6 (52:04):
I've got to give you props, though it's like until I
hear your voice.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (52:09):
I'm serious, I'm like the day the first until I hear
your voice.
Yeah, I'm serious, until I'mlike the day the first time we
hear your voice.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
Here we go I'm like it's like let's go question man,
because just talking about thatmakes me think about this.
For our whole lives we've beeninundated with music.
We're songwriters, we'replayers, we play on music, we're
producers.
So like I don't listen to music, I don't I, and when I do I

(52:34):
have a hard time where I don'tlisten objectively, I know you
feel?
the same way it's you can't.
I got into the business becauseI love music, but I don't love
music like that anymore.
It's just a different brain,right, we're programmed
different.
We love football.
We can't wait to watch football.
Can you watch football and turnoff?

(52:54):
No, you can't turn off my noyeah.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
So I watch a game and I I, you know, I'm always
amazed, if I go to a super bowlparty, how much talking is going
on in the room.
I can't stand it because I'm,I'm, I'm the guy.
You don't want to watch a gamewith me unless you're in it with
with me, right?
But I'm, I'm like in the game,like I'm watching the graphics,
I'm listening to the crowd, I'mlistening to the call, I'm

(53:17):
digesting every ounce of thebroadcast, and I think I always
did that even before I got intothe business.
But now especially, a weirdgraphic will come up or the
director will cut a certain wayand I'm just like I don't know
why he, why didn't he stay onthat shot?

Speaker 2 (53:33):
like in my head it's probably like you with music,
you know.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
So I'm I'm, I'm constantly, um, probably in my
own way, learning and and andwatching, and that I really like
that.
Or wow, that camera angle wasthat was.
And I'll, I'll, I'll uh text myproducer, like, are you
watching the game right now?
Rewind that and check thatcamera angle was that was.
And I'll, I'll uh text myproducer like, are you watching
the game right now?
Rewind that and check that.
Like.
So I'm constantly kind of uhenjoying the game, but watching

(53:59):
it through a kind of anindustry's eye, I guess.
Like, like you guys with music,for sure, I told you one time,
but I enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
I would love.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Just for an hour to be able to go back and listen to
music, like I did when I waseight or nine.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
I would love, just for an hour, to be able to go
back and listen to music, like Idid when I was eight or nine, I
know just for like an hour justto hear what tell me the
difference.
like what?
Because I'll sorry.
No, no, all I hear from youknow I started playing bass when
I was 11, 12 years old, young,and now my whole life, just
that's all I've ever done.

(54:28):
So when I listen to music now,I can't listen to it purely for
just music.
I hear the writing, I hear thebass part I hear the guitar
parts.
I hear something wrong in thetrack.
Ooh, that was you know andyou're not listening.
You're evaluating and therecords I grew up on, like the
old U2 albums and Police albums.

Speaker 6 (54:47):
That's the producer coming out in you, yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
I would just love to be able to listen to it.
You can't do that at all.

Speaker 6 (54:52):
huh, you can't Innocently.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
No, I can't.
It's interesting, I only hearintricate things.

Speaker 6 (54:56):
We do, we pick it apart, I pick them.
We're always listening to thelyrics and melody.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yeah, I can't podcast Nico from Tennessee quarterback
.
Do you think he made a gooddecision for his career and do
you think Joey Aguilar would bekind of a somewhat good trade
for Tennessee this season?

Speaker 1 (55:21):
I'm going to wait to see he's going into a great
system.
I mean, josh puts thequarterback and Josh Heupel puts
the quarterback in a spot to besuccessful with the system that
they run.
So I wouldn't be shocked to seehim do well.
And also he's going in with Idon't want to say nothing to
lose, but the expectations arealways high at Tennessee.
But they're going to be in hiscorner.

(55:43):
That fan base is going to be inhis corner after Nico kind of
left him the way he did.
I don't know the true story.
I've heard different stories.
Some people thought it wasabout money.
I've heard from close sourcesit was more about Nico's dad
going to Josh back in Decemberbefore they played Ohio State,
like hey, listen, you got to getbetter at offensive line and

(56:04):
better at receiver.
You got to get better aroundhim if you want us to stick
around which blows my mind thata college quarterback's dad
would do that to a head coachand I think at the end of the
day, when they got into springball, it was still more of you
haven't brought people in tomake him and this offense better
Again.
I don't know if that's true, butthat's what I was hearing, so I

(56:27):
don't think it was necessarilyabout the money.
I think it was more about isnico going to be able to play
well enough to eventually be afirst pick in the draft with the
players that they had aroundhim?
That that's disgusting to me.
If that's true, um, I wouldn'texpect uh drake may to go to
mike vrabel or drake may's dadto go to mike vrabel in the nfl

(56:50):
and say, hey, listen, you guysare doing a shitty job.
Jake would never do that, butthink about that in the nfl.
Yeah, you wouldn't do that, anda college parent is doing that.
If that's true, it'smind-boggling.
That that's where we are rightnow.
Uh, that a josh hypo has toactually listen to a parent and
feel threatened that hisstarting freshman quarterback

(57:11):
might leave because he hasn'tdone what the dad asked blows my
mind if that's in fact true.
So he ended up leaving.
I think a lot of people thoughthe'd go to oregon all these big
places and he ends up at uclauh, more closer to home for him.
So wish him the best, see if itworks out there at ucla.
Um, but I think that story wasincredibly strange and speaks

(57:34):
volumes about kind of the timesthat we're in right now in this
sport, but I I'm fired up to seewhat tennessee does this year
because they're kind of in anunderdog role after you lose
your, your franchise quarterback, like that overnight yeah so I
think we're all excited to kindof see who they are and what
josh does, because he's a greatcoach what he does to kind of

(57:55):
come up with answers to to wingames this year is college
football gonna get a handle onit, on the nil and well, when I
hear they're waiting on congressto to help them, I I have no
hope.
Yeah when they say thatabsolutely you know, um, you
know I talk to Coach Saban allthe time because he's in these
conversations with the powerbrokers and I talk with the

(58:18):
conference commissioners whobasically are the power brokers.
I think right now what's on theforefront of their minds, the
leadership's minds, is notgetting a handle on the sport,
even though they're meeting.
I think it's figuring out thepostseason.
You know, because right nowthey're, they have one more year
of the current 12-year contractand then they start a new one

(58:39):
in 26.
And I think they're what theBig Ten wants to do and what the
SEC, who are the real twoGoliaths here.
They're not seeing it the sameway.
You know there's a disagreement.
The SEC basically wants, youknow, you can have five
automatics and then let's do 11that are just the next best

(59:00):
ranked in order, because thatwould give the SEC probably a
lot of teams, and the Big Tenwants a little bit more of
security four for the SEC, fourfor the Big Ten and then two for
the SEC, four for the Big Tenand then two for the ACC, two
for the Big 12, and whatever'sleft, two or three at large.
So there's that.
Is it going to be 16?
Is it going to be 14?
.
They all are debating on howthey evaluate teams.

(59:24):
You know you have a committeethat right now ranks the teams.
The SEC doesn't feel thecommittee is doing a good job,
so they want another way ofanalytics to be involved in
evaluating the team.
So I think all of that what I'msaying is a big, big discussion
and NIL and transfer portal andall that is kind of

(59:45):
unfortunately on the back burnerfor now.
And.
I think the the revenue sharethat you now see where these
athletic departments now get$20.5 million to give not just a
football but to give to alltheir sports.
So I guessing 75%, 80% of thatwill go to football.

(01:00:05):
And then you then you have tofigure out okay, you have 105
players.
You know you're startingquarterback Garrett Nussmeier at
LSU.
How much are you going to givehim?
What a challenge versus theleft guard, versus the backup
quarterback, versus the punter.
Like how do you decide who getswhat?

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
And that feels like, again, you know the cost for all
thing is a conundrum to me, tohow you navigate all that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
But is that at that stage of football, you know it's
got to change the dynamiccompletely.
You know you got you know.
Now, all of a sudden, it's notjust NFL Like somebody's making
more of the team.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
It was never like that.
It was a challenge.
Locker room, locker room andthese just anophelic.

Speaker 6 (01:00:52):
Somebody's making more.
Yeah, team it was never likethat locker room, locker room.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
And these are.
These are young kids.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Yeah, these are young kids, these you know the
difference in college and pro,though, is the pro there is a
collective bargaining agreement,and the players and the players
union, they negotiate with theuh, the commissioner, and with
the nfl, and and they come to anagreement.
And we would love, in collegefootball, to get to a point
where the players, somebody repsthe players and the players,

(01:01:17):
and then the schools negotiateon NIL okay, do we agree on this
?
On NIL okay.
Transfer portal do we agree?
You come to an agreement on allthis and then you hire an
enforcement staff and you holdpeople accountable.
That would be the perfect world, because right now, the NFL you
have rules, here are the rules,here are the guidelines, end of

(01:01:39):
story.
You can't leave the Patriotsbecause you're 3-10, and you're
tired of playing and you're likeI'm transferring, anyway, I'm
going to be a free agent, I'mout.
It's like you have a contract,you, you're like I'm
transferring, anyway, I'm goingto be a free agent, I'm out.
It's like you have a contract,like you're staying here and
you're playing these collegeguys, they're like bailing, they
just leave.
There's nothing holding themaccountable.
So right now, when I played,the players had zero say.

(01:02:01):
It was like you know, sir.
Yes, sir, may I have another?
Like that was your mentality asa player.
Other like that was yourmentality as a player right, and
now the players have all thecards.
They went from having no cardsto now they have all the cards,
and that's ridiculous.
How you dig yourself out ofthat yeah, I, I well, they're
gonna have to.
They're gonna have to find a wayand hopefully they find a way

(01:02:22):
to get a collective bargaining,because I think that, eventually
, is going to be the only waythat the two sides can get on
the same page and create someguidelines and some rules,
because it's okay that playersare making money, but let's have
some rules on on how we do that.
Um, so hopefully that'll comein the next few years.

Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
Yeah, absolutely and it does absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
It needs just madness right now it really is yeah
kirk.

Speaker 5 (01:02:46):
Uh, we're so appreciative of you man, thank
you so much, your time isvaluable.
Uh, we're all fans of yours,not only at the top of your game
.
You're a devoted husband.
You're a great father to yourkids.
Man, you stand up for yourbeliefs and your faith and we
appreciate you being herespending this time with us.

Speaker 6 (01:03:01):
Yeah, yeah, man, looking forward to hearing your
voice, yeah yeah, it's coming upand let's get through the
summer.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
What are you guys, guys all traveling?
When do you guys get going?
Are you in the middle of it?
Yeah, we just kind of started.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
We started back in it Last month, did about three,
four shows, and so we pick backup mid-July, okay, and you go
till End of.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
October, october Okay .

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Come on out.
It's pretty easy.
You got to come out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Yeah, I'd love to Come on out.
I'd love to.
I just went to the Sphere andsaw Kenny.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Oh, yeah, how was that?

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
It's interesting.
And Kenny, in the Vibe Room hewas talking about how you know,
when he does a show, he likes tolike feel the audience and look
in their eye and it's like aninteractive moment throughout
the show and he's likeeveryone's doing this and I said

(01:03:56):
, wow, that's good and I'venever seen this fear.
So I went to the show.
He put us in a really good spotto watch it and it was.
It was almost like if you'veever been to disney world, it
was almost like being on one ofthose those virtual reality
rides.
Um, I, I found myself, I mean,because this thing goes up 30
stories.
Yeah, it goes up above yourhead and all of us.
We love kenny, but like you'rejust, you're watching sean
silva's stuff like right, it'slike wow, look at that over
there, you know, and kenny'smusic.
It was almost like it's great,but it's almost like background

(01:04:19):
music to the to the show thatwas going on.

Speaker 5 (01:04:22):
So different experience I wonder that as an
artist playing there because,yeah, you, you, typically, you
know we get so much feedbackfrom the audience yeah, not
there, I bet, I don't think youwould.
Yeah, it's the same.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
It's the same reasoning why you know, if we're
doing a stadium show, peoplethink, oh, stadium, that's
amazing, it's amazing, so faraway right you feel so on
stadium shows, we end up findingthat we're playing more for
each other yeah, I could seethat versus like an arena in
denver right where you can feelthe people and feel the energy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Yeah, yeah, you know and you probably.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
I mean I could see that being an issue out there
for that, for that show.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Like you, it's so much to take in yeah that you
forget that others I've shownthat amazing how much because we
we always talk about this onour show.
We're're almost like doingBroadway because our crowd is
really involved in our show.
And it's amazing, when you goto a show and the crowd is a 10
out of 10, how it impacts youand your performance Versus if a

(01:05:23):
crowd's like, oh, we've been inAlabama or Ohio State a hundred
times, they're good, but it'snot like going to a place that
we've never been, and I think itreally impacts the performance
of what we do and we do start toreally, you know, challenge
each other more because we'renot getting the juice from the
crowd.
I don't know if you guysexperienced that in oh yeah,
your guys world or not.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Yeah, I mean, we talk about this a lot like, like you
know, we we played a couple offestivals this last week and
it's always different becauseit's not a tour show, yeah, and
the venue's different, you know,and when the crowd and they may
be the best crowd ever, but ifyou're not connecting with it on
some level, it's hard to reallyfeel like you get it going.

(01:06:06):
Yeah, you know where somenights you just can, you can't
miss because it's like you saidyou're on top of you and you're
feeling it.
Oh, it's so good, it's amazing,it's like adrenaline rush.
It's what I love about the olddays playing the clubs.
Oh, yeah.
Building the career.
You know playing the clubs andthey're on top of you.
Then you arenas and smallervenues, theaters, and you're

(01:06:36):
still there and all of a suddenyou're playing stadiums.
I remember playing.
What stadium was it?
I think it was denver, thefootball stadium with kenny, I
think.
Um, I remember playing and it'sbeautiful and it's.
I'm looking at the people andI'm like there's no way they're
into this show.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
You can't, there's no way you can feel it up there
have you ever played and peopleare like talking to each other,
like while you're playing?
Have you ever experienced that?
Because it's so big.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
I don't think neil and I do.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
I mean they're enjoying the music, but they're
kind of caught up and just likeother stuff.
What tolly?

Speaker 5 (01:07:00):
was saying if you're playing a stadium, you are just
so, and this, believe me, we'renot trying, it's awesome, it's.
However, it's just different.
You're very disconnected andthere's no way to feel connected
because, yes, at the person, ifwe played the rose bowl, if you
know a hundred thousand people,it's you try to.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
You try your best.
We to always like play towardsthe back of the room, yeah, and
sometimes it's so big that wouldeven it's like wow.
Are they feeling this?
Versus like when we play thearena in nashville?
It's so big that it even it'slike wow.
Are they feeling this Versuslike when we play the arena in
Nashville?
It's a great place to play.
It's a small, it's not a superbig arena, so you feel like
they're always on you and it'sgreat.
But it's a different how youprepare for a stadium versus

(01:07:41):
preparing for arena or even anamphitheater.
Like.
It's a different mindset, likewhat's that one?
In Chicago, we play Finley Park.
Yeah, I don't know if you'vebeen up there.
It's an amphitheater outside ofChicago, yeah, and it's huge.
It's huge, but it's one of thebest places to play because they
have this little balcony thingabove and you feel like you're
almost like they're on top ofyou.

(01:08:04):
Wow, that's cool.
So they give so much back toyou when it feels like that, you
know yeah, and we talk aboutthis stuff after every show have
you ever played the what's theamphitheater in nashville?

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
have you guys ever done that one, that outdoor?

Speaker 5 (01:08:15):
one.
No, we haven't done it oh yeah,the first bank.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Is that the first time?
No, no, ascend, ascend.
I mean it's a cool venue.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
I just wondered if you're up there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Um, if you feel, I saw eric Church do acoustic
there and it was as a fan, Imean it's, it's awesome.
You know, because you're rightthere.
I just didn't know if you guyshad ever played that we haven't
played that one to feel that, no, we haven't.

Speaker 5 (01:08:38):
Yeah, matter of fact, we're playing.
We are playing Nashville thisyear, but it'll be at the arena
again oh, okay dude we knowyou're busy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
We know you got things to do man.

Speaker 5 (01:08:49):
But we're so appreciative of you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Yeah, we're going to get you guys to two college
games.
Okay, we'll take you up on that.
That'd be great.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
And then a year later .

Speaker 5 (01:08:58):
I got some questions for saving.
We'll have an assessment onthat, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
I didn't get you down to Baton Rouge at night.

Speaker 6 (01:09:04):
You need to get you some of that.
Hey, we played that footballstadium.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
We've played it and I got to tell you even playing it
wasn't a football, but it wasawesome.
That's a massive building.

Speaker 6 (01:09:15):
There's nothing like a LSU-Bama game at night.
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
I guess we'll find out.
People get stabbed and it'scrazy.
I don't know if I'd be wearingcolors.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
I think, Ray, you know just a great jumpsuit.

Speaker 6 (01:09:26):
Thank you, brother, All right guys Thanks to Kirk
Herbstreit.

Speaker 5 (01:09:30):
Thanks for listening.
This is the Try that in a SmallTown podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
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