Bison Heads and Spy Accusations - A Chat with Alexis Wilkins :: Ep 67 Try That in a Small Town Podcast - Try That in a Small Town Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's pretty simple.
They want to turn on the radioand be able to listen to it with
their kids in the car.
They don't want to have to makea moral decision every time
they go to pick a song.
They don't want to get yelledat by I don't know Maren Morris,
like they don't want that levelof thank you.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
That's a good one, one of our favorites.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
I figured that would be a welcome party there.
She's a regular on here.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Is there like a button.
There's a money jar with thatone.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Can you still run for office if you're a spy?

Speaker 2 (00:30):
That's a great question.
That's a great question.
Take your time.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Take your time on this.
I just don't know if I kickedyou out of the room.
I got to check it out.
There's some rules we have here.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Someone had to take the air out of the balloon.
This one gentleman was tellingme about his experience.
Coming home from Vietnam wasalready awful, you know his
sister didn't pick him up fromthe base, you know.
Nothing was really felt as itshould be.
And then, years down the line,he heard that one of the Clinton
aides or I'm going to, you know, I forget who it was, I used to
know exactly who it was, butit's been a minute One of the

(01:01):
aides said on the news you know,we sent the smart guys to
Washington and we sent the dumbguys to Vietnam.
And the fact that that's asoundbite that these men and
ultimately men and women have togo back and listen to is
despicable.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
The Try that in a Small Town podcast begins now.
All right, y'all, this is theTry that in a Small Town podcast
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Speaker 6 (01:23):
We're back begins now .
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All right, y'all.
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We're back Atrium MobileStudios powered by eSpaces.
Our new studio still looksreally, really nice.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Real nice, still got that new car smell.

Speaker 7 (01:39):
God it feels good, nothing's fallen.
I hung it solidly.

Speaker 6 (01:43):
Yeah, yeah, you did good, excellent job.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
It is nice Nothing's fallen.
I hung it solidly.
Yeah, yeah, you did good,excellent job.
It is nice, your lovely wifedid great, yep.

Speaker 7 (01:52):
Getting everything hung.
I know how to insert a Tagabolt.
What's?

Speaker 2 (01:57):
that Uh-oh A Taga bolt Taga or.

Speaker 7 (01:58):
Toggle.
No, I've always called themTaga bolts.
You know, it's kind of likeReal men of genius, real men of
genius Interesting.
Do any of you guys know what ahammer is?
Oh man, come on, he's checking.
Yes, I don't know about Tully.
You have no idea.

(02:19):
I am handy.
Your tech knows what a hammeris.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
I am handy, really Pretty handy, really Pretty
handy, really Surprisingly handy.
Yeah, so I mean, I grew up in ahouse with my grandmother and
my mom, my aunt.
I had to be a little bit handy.
Define handy Just fix thingsnow and then Hang stuff, fix
stuff, really Build stuff.
Yeah, not bad.

(02:42):
I mean, I'm not a professionalhandyman but I can fix some
stuff, you can figure it out.

Speaker 7 (02:46):
Oh yeah, I actually enjoy it.
It is, it's like therapy I do.
Yeah, it really is yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:52):
I got a guy.

Speaker 7 (02:57):
Well, I got a guy now , but I mean, I'm not a
professional fixer, I meanthere's a lot of duct tape and
crooked nails One of these dayswe're going to have you guys'
guitar techs on and you guyshave to step out of the room.
It's coming.

Speaker 6 (03:11):
Believe me, we've heard what they say.
It's coming.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
It's not pretty.
Mine knows not to speak to mesometimes he won't have much to
say.

Speaker 6 (03:19):
Don't speak directly to Tully.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Just light my incense .
Oh my God, don't you look at mein the eye?
No, tyler, I love you, buddy,you're great.

Speaker 6 (03:27):
Hey, so tonight is going to be fun.
Yes, we've got Alexis Wilkins.
Yeah, she's a badass.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
International woman of mystery.
Yeah, that's how you coulddescribe her.

Speaker 6 (03:39):
She is a country music singer.
She's also a politicalcommentator actress yes, that I
predict.

Speaker 7 (03:47):
I predict a political future.

Speaker 6 (03:50):
You know what I really do I actually think
you're right somewhere down theline.

Speaker 7 (03:56):
Yep, she won't be looking for it, it's just gonna
happen.
It's gonna it's gonna comealong and she won't have a
choice.
It's gonna happen she is yeahshe's too smart, has too much
class.
She's just for for her toignore that I agree it's going
to happen.

Speaker 6 (04:07):
It's very impressive.
Very intelligent, uh, very wellspoken.
A little too intelligent, yeah,for our I know it yeah we're

Speaker 7 (04:16):
betting a thousand on people smarter than us.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Well, and and two.
You know we, you know we'rehumble.
We do pretend sometimes not toknow so much to make our guests
feel even more knowledgeable.
Yeah, yeah, Because we're likethat.
Yeah, so that's part of it.
That's key to any good host.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yes, making the guests feel superior.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
That's what I Googled how to be a good host Play dumb
.

Speaker 6 (04:41):
I like it.
It's going to be a great night.
I think you guys are going tobe.
You're going to learn a lotright from Alexis.
Let's do this before we go,though.
You've got to do us.
You've got to follow us on thesocials.
We're trying to build that X up.
You've got to do us.
Yeah, that's how you can do it.
Go on X, follow us.

(05:01):
I love that.
I know.
Leave a comment.
Get on Insta.
Get on what's the other one?

Speaker 5 (05:07):
The TikTok, the old talk, the talk, the talk.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Is somebody buying TikTok?
Yes, what's going on with that?
I hadn't heard much lately.
Okay.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
But MySpace.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Follow us on MySpace.
Yeah, not on MySpace, I think.
Yeah, pretty good there.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
Follow us on all that Download the episode, leave us
a comment on YouTube, do allthat kind of stuff.
And here's Alexis Wilkins.
Please welcome, alexis Wilkins.
We got you while you were inNashville.
What's the time?
Like Nashville DC, like whereare you most?

(05:43):
How do you split it up?

Speaker 1 (05:44):
I'm still here a lot, you know.
We kind of split it.
You know I'm there when I canbe, he's here when he can be.
We kind of figure it out andtry to do an even split.
But it's a little nuts rightnow.
So I figure it'll level offeventually.

Speaker 6 (05:58):
You know what I found out about you Googling, no,
googling, no that you're a presssecretary.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
What I didn't even know this is that a current
thing when, when a whencongressman imamane was first
elected in office, I went intohis press office and his office
and just set up their commsdepartment, got them going and
then, ultimately, you know, I Ising country music, I tour, tour
.
I do political commentary, asyou guys know, but I left that

(06:27):
to the people who are experts atit.

Speaker 6 (06:29):
I just got them on a good path.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
But yeah, I set the press office up and they're
awesome and sent them on theirway in the right direction.
You know, trust in the rightpeople in the right places.

Speaker 6 (06:42):
Okay, so you mentioned country music.
That's how we first knew of youand came to know you Talk a
little bit about that, how longyou've been doing it, the
passion and how that's goingright now.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yes, so I suppose the long story short is that I
started writing first.
I was six years old, six orseven, and I read an article in
Smithsonian Magazine about thecoal fires.

Speaker 6 (07:10):
Hold on.
Six years old and you'rereading Smithsonian.
Wait a minute.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Jim, my.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Smithsonian.
I know it's funny because, yeah, yeah it actually, my mom can
actually attest to that.
My mom is here today and shecan attest that this actually
happened.
But I was reading Smithsonianand I came across an article
about the coal fires inPennsylvania and I wanted to do
something about it, because itsaid somewhere in there that
they had run out of money andthey couldn't do anything to fix

(07:38):
it.
And so I said, well, that'sunacceptable.
Can we donate all of our money?
My mom good lesson incapitalism was no, we.
Can we donate all of our money?
My mom, you know good lesson incapitalism was no, we can't
donate all of our money, butlove where your heart is, people
do something they love and orare really good at, and they
they raise money for things thatthat they believe in.
And I said, great, I'm going todo that.

(07:59):
And so I went on my Americangirl doll tape recorder and I
wrote a little ditty that,weirdly enough, my parents are
not musical had a verse andchoruses and a bridge, and I
recorded it, just vocals, onthis tape recorder and I brought
it to my parents who again arenot musical, and they go okay,

(08:21):
awesome, Great, this is awesome.
What do we?
This is awesome.
What do we do with this?
And my idea was I want to putit on, you know, this new thing
called iTunes, and I want toraise money for the cause that I
set out to raise money for holdon.

Speaker 6 (08:36):
This is while you're six years old that's what I'm
feeling pretty bad right now notgonna lie, I was watching
Scooby.
I'm feeling pretty bad rightnow I'm an only child.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
I didn't do board super, super well, was really
never bored and was encouragednot to be bored, hence reading a
Smithsonian magazine, and so.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Where do you find that?
By the way, that magazine Idon't.

Speaker 6 (08:58):
It was Museum.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
I think it was readily available.

Speaker 6 (09:01):
It was available readily available I read really
young.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
I grew up in, you know I mean I.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
I can get more into this later, but I grew up in.
I was born in the us, thankgoodness, but I grew up in
europe it was in england,switzerland for my parents work
and then, uh, and then the restwas our, and then the rest was
arkansas, you know, and so Ikind of danced around a little
bit.
I had a lot of differentperspectives and again didn
didn't do board well, so you'reup to Arkansas.

(09:28):
Wow, wow, yeah, so I startedwriting then and my parents
didn't know you know exactlywhat to do with it.
At that point you know this isa fun hobby that our daughter
likes to do, and so we had afriend who was familiar with the
studio in Nashville and he saidoh, you know, let's go to
Nashville, take her to Nashville.

(09:50):
She likes this as a hobby andshe can do this for for fun, and
you.
She doesn't have to do it fulltime.
She's eight or nine at thispoint.
Now, years, years pass and justlet her, you know, bring it to
fruition and raise the money shewanted to with it.
If that's what she wanted to doand she'll get it out of her
system, it'll be great and Iloved it.
And that was my first Nashvillerecording experience.

(10:11):
I was nine and I fell in lovewith songwriting, fell in love
with the town, fell in love withrecording and, just honestly,
what you could do with countrymusic.
For me that was it.
You can go out.
You're telling me that I can dosomething I love, I can raise
money for something I believe inand ultimately do good, that
I'm sold, I'm in it, and so fromthat point, it was very much

(10:33):
for me about the writing.
And things morph as you getolder.
You learn about causes that youcare about and what you want to
support, and so as I got older,that morphed into me writing
for other artists, me writing alittle bit in the pop and hip
hop world, because I knew I wasyoung, I didn't want to get.
I was offered to, justbasically, you know, here's your

(10:53):
record.
You should record it.
You're 14, we'll put you onstage, you'll love it, but I
wanted to, and y'all know howthe entertainment industry can
be.
You know my parents haveprotected me, thank goodness,
and I didn't want to be told whoI was, so I was writing for
other artists, eventuallyknowing of course, that I wanted
to do country music, andcircling back to that for myself
, and in working in that spaceand raising money for veterans,

(11:17):
organizations and things that Iam very passionate about now,
Did you sorry?

Speaker 2 (11:23):
did you really have a a florida cut, did they?
I read that I thought, wow, god, I was watching a lot of videos
.
First it's all country americaflags and everything, and it's
says, uh, well, well known foryou know, her role in modern
family.
And then also getting songsrecorded by florida oh my god
that is true I just I've beenfor 10 minutes so like, okay,
I'm out of my depth here sofunny.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, that is, that is, that is true.
I had a flow right of cut whenI was young enough to be on set
for the music video and them go.
Who brought their kid?
So it was.
It was pretty fun.

Speaker 6 (11:54):
You were in the video too.
No, I just watched it, okay.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
I was like yeah, no that was not by by me, or or by
my parents.

Speaker 7 (12:08):
Of course, I didn't know that's really I didn't
either.
No, how long ago was it.
We wrote oh gosh you know I'mgonna be sitting here during the
show.
I'm gonna be looking for thework tape.
I think I have it.

Speaker 6 (12:17):
I should when did you guys write together?

Speaker 1 (12:19):
no, it was, it was probably like no it was five At
least.
Oh my gosh, Really that's crazyyeah.

Speaker 7 (12:27):
Yeah, because you came to the house.
That's when we lived inBrentwood in the seven acres.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
No, that was a small house, huh.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Just the seven acres, the writing house, y'all
proceed.

Speaker 7 (12:43):
I'm going to look for this work tape.

Speaker 6 (12:45):
You can just join the conversation whenever you want.
I'm going to really get her.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
So is the writing from acting, singing and
everything.
Is the writing.
Is that your biggest love,because you do so many things,
or is it just mixed in therewith everything else?

Speaker 1 (13:01):
You know, it's where it started for me and it's where
I originally found the voice totell the stories that I grew up
on in country music andcontribute to that storytelling.
So I definitely do.
The writing is one of myfavorite pieces.
Of course, the, you know,performing aspect and getting to
connect with people is great,but it definitely, for me,
starts with the writing and thenthe rest of it, you know, the,

(13:23):
the acting stuff and anythinglike that.
I was in California briefly, um, because I say briefly?
Because my grandparents werethere and we wanted to spend
some time with them, especiallyafter, you know, coming back
from Europe and being inArkansas for a long time, we did
a little pit stop in California, and I keep expressing heck pit

(13:45):
stop.
We were there a very shortamount of time Notice the tell
there but I went to a schoolwith a lot of other actors, kids
and people who were in theindustry.
Just because it was the privateschool that was close.
It was truncated hours, sohonestly, they understood me
going back and forth and writingin Nashville and, you know,

(14:05):
doing the things that I wasdoing, and so it was just kind
of what other people were doingand you know you could go and
audition for something becauseyou're in California and for me
it's like a public speakingexercise before you have access
to those classes and ultimatelycollege and what becomes life.
You know you have to practicethese things, but for me I just
thought it was a great exercisein going to auditions being

(14:28):
rejected like you are in themusic industry anyway.
All of these things kind of addup to how it feels when you're
on stage.
There was rock things.
I did rock band stuff just toget on stage and get those reps
and no more music and some ofthe things that are online that
I've done all were strategicallyto contribute to getting to do

(14:50):
what I ultimately love to do,which is sing country music and
stand on stage and practice tohopefully be good at it.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
So you're very good at it oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
What do?

Speaker 3 (14:58):
you think about the women in country music today and
we've had this discussion.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
Yes, we have.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Yeah it seems like it's all over the map.
You know, women used to rulethis market.
They were great and there stillare some that are great, but I
want to get your perspective onthat.
What do you feel is a good spot?
Do you feel like the women inthis genre?
Do you feel good about it?
Do you feel like they weremissing some stuff?
What do you feel like the womenin this, in this genre?
Do you feel good about it?
Do you feel like there weremissing some stuff?

(15:27):
What do you?
What do you feel?

Speaker 1 (15:30):
ultimately, there's been a long period where and I
it, you know ebbs and flows, butthere was a long period,
especially with writing, where Ifelt as though women were
writing almost exclusively boybashing songs at the same time
that they were complaining aboutguys writing, you know, back of
the truck and drinking songs,which I don't really complain

(15:52):
about because that's some of myfavorite music.
Maybe that's just me, but Ithink it's fine.
But as they were complainingabout that, I found that women
were writing boy bashing musicand it's hard because the
audience is still 50% men andwomen.
You're still playing foreveryone.

Speaker 7 (16:06):
Let's name some names .
I don't have any fun until westart naming names.
Who do you?

Speaker 1 (16:11):
hate, For me, it became such a frustrating thing
in the writing process when Iwas in the room and I was young
enough, where people wereallowed to make assumptions
about me, which they still do,which is fine depending on who
you get in the room with.
But now it's, you know, it'sbetter, but you get in the room

(16:33):
with people, and especially whenI was really young and was
bringing, you know, ideas to thetable and melodies to the table
and things that I was, you know, working in my time on and was
excited to bring.
You know, I remember this one,this one writer came in and he
kind of like rubbed his eyesafter a couple minutes and he
was like, shoot, I came in heresuper hungover and had like some

(16:56):
teeny bopper tracks ready to gofor you, because I thought this
was just going to be like awham bam, like another any other
15 year old I was writing with,and you know I'm gonna actually
, I'm gonna actually have towork today and, you know, write
a real song with you.
And I remember being 15 or 16and looking at him who was it?

(17:16):
you can tell we're not gonna gono, and it's funny because at
the same, in the same breaththat I'm complaining about it, I
also there's a piece of me thatunderstands where that's coming
from, because so many of thewomen kind of getting back to
the question is so many of thewomen at the time and even kind
of carrying into now connectwith audiences in a boy bashing,

(17:36):
negative sense, and I justthink that there's so much more
to talk about.
I happen to think men areawesome.
And I think that leaning intopolitics a little bit.
That's where it gets into aculture thing, because you have
to have a little bit of thecommentary that it's gone too
far.
The pendulum has swung too farinto culture hating men.

(17:59):
I think it's got to stop, andso my little soapbox about that.

Speaker 7 (18:03):
I saw a little clip you posted about that yeah what
did it say?
There was some it was no, youweren't.
You just posted it, it wasn'tyou.
But it was a guy that wasasking two girls what's more?
Dangerous yeah, being in a roomwith a mass murderer or being
in a room with a straight whiteman.

Speaker 6 (18:24):
Oh geez.

Speaker 7 (18:26):
And both of them said ax murder all day.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (18:29):
What.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, these women around here are like choosing
the bear in those scenarios andI don't really understand, and
they don't like guns either.
so they're really in a bad spotif that's their choice.
But going back to women andcountry, I hasn't, it hasn't
fully come around from that thatenergy and I felt it, you know,
from when I was in that room at16 to you know from them,

(18:53):
assuming it was going to be justan easy loop, right to even you
know now or a couple years ago,where people don't know me that
well and they think that I'mjust gonna want to write a
really like estrogen heavy, youknow boy hating or love song or
whatever, and those are fine,but it's just not me like I like
writing you can figure things.

Speaker 6 (19:13):
It's got a little bit more grit to it um we need to
make a t-shirt estrogen heavy.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Well, a lot a lot of the stuff that I was listening
to and watching.
You know, based on yourmaterials, a lot of just
pro-America flag country values,all that you know, and as I was
watching it I was thinkingthere's just not a lot of
artists, especially females ormales really, that sing about
that content.
You know, it seemed like itwould be right down the middle

(19:43):
of what the country music fanswant but getting it through.
Nashville and out is a wholedifferent story, absolutely so.
Have you gotten flack from allof your?
All she does is pro-American,pro-country, pro-people,
pro-christian, all this stuff.
Do you get flack from that?

Speaker 1 (20:00):
It's funny because within the industry, absolutely.
But the arguments that peopleyou know that are available to
people to say about me I havemusic, I have a couple songs
that are super America, but Ihave other music that's not so
they kind of hit walls a littlebit, like I see it happening.
They want to say oh she's, youknow too pro America, but all of

(20:22):
my songs, like my wholediscography, is not how to Love
the United States 101.
So it's interesting becausethrough a little bit of strategy
and just a little bit of hey, Isee what the audience connects
with.
I see what they actually wantto listen to and what I think
they desire to hear on the radio.
It's pretty simple they want toturn on the radio and be able

(20:42):
to listen to it with their kidsin the car.
They don't want to have to makea moral decision every time
they go to pick a song.
They don't want to get yelledat by you know, insert name here
, I don't know Maren Morris Likethey don't want that level of
thank you.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
I figured that would be a welcome party.

Speaker 6 (21:08):
She's a regular on here, she's a regular.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
There's a money jar with thatone.
I feel like um, but you know,of course you get the industry
stuff and I've dealt with it fora long time, just because the
the corner that I came from onall this was, hey, you need to
take a, you know, you need totake the american flag out of
your instagram bio or you needto stop publicly working with
veterans, veterans organizations, and this was during, know, the
2016 election and kind ofthereafter.
It started then.

(21:28):
So for me, there was never a.
The choice was presented reallyearly and it was never a choice
for me, because you know, whenyou have an agency that they're
making all their agents donateto Act Blue or they're doing
these outlandish things, thatyou know if it was on either
side, you'd go.
That's wrong, except for thefact that it you know, of course

(21:49):
, if you're, if you'releft-leaning, that's okay, if
you're pro-America or noticeablyright-leaning, it's a problem.
So for me, I just said early onwell, this is who I am.
And then I was going at thattime, from 2016 to 2020, I was
going to belmont university inbusiness and political science
and I had a professor whodecided that, for whatever

(22:11):
reason, even though I I loveschool and I have gotten a's my
whole life.
Uh, comparative politics.
He gave me an f and alexis Iknow I know you have to put in
effort.
This is the first thing.
When I called my mom and toldher, I said don't you have to
try to get an F, you have to notshow up at all my attendance,
especially for touring at thesame time, was really good, and

(22:33):
so that for me kind of launchedoff and having to go back and
forth and run it up withmeetings upon meetings to the
president of the school, Irealized that other kids,
especially at that time in thestate of the country, were going
through the same thing andultimately if they didn't have
someone telling them, hey, it'sokay if you have to push back on

(22:55):
what feels like authority, youdon't have to write papers you
disagree with.

Speaker 6 (22:58):
So basically, I don't want to interrupt, but just to
make sure I understand it thisteacher or professor basically
had different beliefs than whatyou did and uh decided I'm
putting an f on this paper.
Yes, around this, that'sunbelievable.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
To me and the interesting thing is is I wasn't
sitting in this class going.
I'm going to be super vocal andmake sure this guy knows
exactly where I stand.
You know, I wasn't even doingthat stuff, I was just trying to
get by.
It was hard because you'regoing through it with your music
.
You're going through it withhaving to make choices.
You know, y'all know betterthan anyone.

(23:35):
There's a whole other side ofthe entertainment industry, even
besides politics, especiallyfor female artists, where you
know if you choose not tocompromise yourself, if you
choose not to make decisionsthat you see other people making
, if you choose to not wear lessclothes when asked to, I'm
trying to say this as properlyas I can.
You know, you, those are actualsacrifices that you feel in

(23:56):
companies, with executives.
You know it's, it's.
It's a little bit different I'dsay different now, but it's.
It's less popular to be out andabout about that now, but it is
a thing, and it was a thingcertainly for me that I wasn't
going to bend the knee to any ofthat.
So when you're going throughall that at the same time, you
kind of go all right, I have tomake a choice here, because I'm
clearly not going to be acceptedif I don't do these things that

(24:19):
I see other people doing.
But you know, this is what Ilove to do and I won't be
silenced about it either.
So got this grade, knew thatother people were probably going
through the same thing, wantedto encourage people to be
themselves, maintain theirvalues, and ultimately that
turned into political commentary, partnering with organizations
that focus on educating theyouth and speaking to youth and

(24:42):
parents about how to moveforward in this crazy
environment.

Speaker 7 (24:46):
Nice I can see her running for office yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Somewhere down the road.
Okay, so that's interesting.

Speaker 6 (24:54):
Would you ever consider getting into politics?
She already is.
Well, you are Too late.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Kind of kind of, but you're a little displaced you
are too late, kind of, kind of,but you're a little displaced.
I think that I live in a youknow.
I know people like to say never, say never to these questions
and leave it a little cheeky,but I, this is a tough industry,
the political industry is atough industry.
I can't even imagine and Ithink that ultimately, looking

(25:26):
at the ins and outs of it, I'mreally happy to be on the
commentary and educational side.
I love the Constitution.
I love teaching people aboutthe Constitution.
I love informing people abouttheir God-given rights, because
it's not taught in schoolsanymore the way that it should
be.
I know that.
I learned that from my parents,my grandparents, my grandpa

(25:47):
that I call Papa.
He served in the Korean War.
I didn't learn about the KoreanWar in school.
What's wrong with that?
And so I'm really happy beingon this side of things, being a
small leg of support to thepolitical system or not system,
but to that realm of things.
Um, I'm happy in that spot andif that ever changes, you know,

(26:09):
I I I feel like that's somethingI can assess as we go along
okay can you still run foroffice if you're a spy?

Speaker 2 (26:17):
now, that's that's a great question.
Is that that's a?

Speaker 3 (26:22):
that's a great question.
I don't know if I take you outof the room.
I got to check it out.
There's rules we have here.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Someone had to take the air out of the balloon, you
know.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
You got to say.
I read that and, ignoring you,it gave me a really good laugh,
Because if you are a spy, you'rea really good spy.
You're like a super good spy.
I should have taught classes,honestly.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, it's funny and it's hard because it's in the
thick of it now, as of usrecording this, and I like
levity on it because I thinkthat's the only way to deal with
things.
So I think there's elements ofit that I think are truly
hilarious.
There are elements of it that Ithink are you know, you read

(27:02):
these things about yourself andyou go.
It almost honestly makes youmore sad that they're using
photos and of memories that madeyou happy.
You know they're like they'relike clipping photos.
There's a clip of a photo Now Idon't want to say this and
everyone go, you know meanpeople go and hunt for it, but
it's already up there.
There's a photo of, you know,my, my grandpa, who I was just
saying I call Papa, who ispassed on now and they are going

(27:24):
and hunting that photo down andputting it on the internet.
And you know, desecrating whatit means to me, uh or not means
to me, but you know what itmeans in the public specter and
trying to make a thing out of itand and chase these things down
, trying to find my family.
And, um, there's a photo of meand my dad on my first Halloween
and they clip this and put itonline and try to make it
something horrible.

(27:44):
And it's definitely a uniqueexperience.
There's not really a supportgroup for this kind of thing,
which is fine, but it'sfascinating.
But you're right.
I mean, given the circumstances, I would have been doing a
bang-up job if that was thetruth.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
I was like Kurt, maybe she's a spy, because she's
really good.
It's just so funny.
It was like 06.35.

Speaker 6 (28:08):
Scott Cardani Well and it's obviously, you know, we
can maybe bring some levity toit, but it's awful, I'm sure,
and just to have thoseaccusations is unfathomable.
06.38 Sarah Kessler.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Well, it's just, you know, you feel bad of the whole
circumstance.
I feel bad that it's somethingeither they're dealing with
serious stuff up there in dc andthe fact that I have to go hey,
this is also going on online.
You know, I don't want to bringthat to him either.
Make it his deal.
Of course he's like it's likeit's.
He's not bothered by it by youknow, by me bringing it, but
it's just.
Yeah, it's been.

(28:39):
It's been a very uniqueexperience.
Um, I always thought that theleft would cancel me, but
apparently I was too educationaland brought too many people
over to our side and it was the.
It was the right, thinkingthey'd found something instead.

Speaker 6 (28:51):
So they're stupid people all over.

Speaker 7 (28:52):
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
They're all over the place.

Speaker 7 (28:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
They hand that stuff out for free.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
That's good, it's amazing.
Yeah, I mean, neverunderestimate someone's ability
to be truly stupid.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
It will blow your mind, I agree and it's always
like the internet's made it.
If you're looking for it, it'sthere, and then people go off
and riff, and so you know.

Speaker 6 (29:15):
I guess just talking about that a little bit.
I mean, you mentioned well, youdidn't mention Cash by name,
but you referred to Cash, andobviously we've been friends
with Cash for a while and we'veknown you for a while now too.
Were you prepared for thescrutiny or the eyeballs that
were going to be on you since hebecame the FBI director?

Speaker 1 (29:38):
I mean, how much can you really like truly prepare
for that?

Speaker 6 (29:41):
Yeah, you can't.
Like you said, there's nosupport group.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, and you all know that I've been a
public-facing person for a longtime, been on the Internet, been
posting conservativeeducational videos, internet
been, you know, postingconservative educational videos,
and you know you put yourselfout there and you expect a
certain level of interestpushback.
Um, I always joke that all ofthis was not on my bingo card

(30:06):
when we first started datingalmost three years ago now, that
wasn't really a hey, this isthe life plan you don't.
You don't really sign up for forthe whole thing, but you do
sign up for the long haul,whatever that means.
And I like to, uh, yeah, I like.
I like to say that, if you know, if his life goal was to sell
ice cream, I would help himscoop it, like it doesn't matter

(30:27):
to me what the dream was, buthis, his thing is providing
justice and transparency toAmerica and keeping everyone
safe, and so that's what I wantfor him too.
And so you know, it's funnywith the swearing in, with all
the stuff that kind of came withit.
The funniest part about thatthing for me is two things.
I was detained at the WhiteHouse because I didn't have my

(30:50):
badge.
First of all, to try and getover to the EEOB.
I had his phone so I couldn'tcall him.
Badge, first of all, to try andget over to the EEOB.
I had his phone so I couldn'tcall him.
So there was that and my phonewas dead also.
And then there's the wholeelement of my phone was dead, so
when we went up there, and didthe swear in my phone was dead
for the next hour and a half.
I had no knowledge of where itwas, if it was on the news,

(31:11):
didn't even think about it, wentand did it.
We went to the you know afterlike a little food and Bev thing
and then and then that was thatand I finally charged my phone
and that was that was I realizedthat it was in fact on things,
so not really prepared, but butyou do all you can to support
the people you love in any arena, in any event, and that's

(31:33):
Absolutely.

Speaker 6 (31:33):
That's what it's been .

Speaker 3 (31:34):
We tell everybody like you guys are so awesome,
like so great, such great peoplelike Cash comes hang out.
You come hang out with us andit's you guys are the best.
I tell everybody like you gotCash is like one of us I always
bring.
Where are the Kennedy files,though?
I mean I get to tell him.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
I'm going to get you liquored up at a show backstage
and you're going to steal those.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
I mean, I'm going to get you liquored up at a show
backstage and you're going tosteal those pictures man.
And we're going to figure itout.
But no, he's so great and meand Kurt joke a lot.
Before he's at the FBI we wouldblow him up every day, We'd be
texting about stuff and like Idon't know if we should bug him
today, I think he's kind of busy.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Should we text him?
Today you should always texthim.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
No, it's great.
You guys are both so great.

Speaker 6 (32:19):
Thank you, he was on the podcast last year and of
course, we credit his appearancefor him elevating his role now
to the FBI.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
There's no telling where you're going after this,
because you're already doinggreat.

Speaker 5 (32:31):
You're going one of two places.
This podcast propels lives andcareers there you go, it just
does there you go.

Speaker 6 (32:37):
You're lucky you got in the queue.
Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
I'm here you're the lucky one even though it does
look like in our research thatyou have done bigger things than
this.
No, I mean what I saw, but itwas on the computer and there's
a lot of lighting.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
This is the pinnacle.
I mean just really.
The window dressings are nextto it.
This is awesome, You'rehandling it great.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
You don't seem nervous.

Speaker 7 (33:00):
Cash did say, though I mean he did say yeah, it's
like one of the best ones he'sever been on.
Yeah, he said that and hewasn't lying.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
No, it is funny because he, um, he loves like my
stuff, like he loves countrymusic anyway, but he loves my
stuff like his favorite thing iswhen he gets to come to a show
or get to something.
Get to go to something, that'smine that he's not working at oh
because he just gets to, helike audibly goes, I just get to
have a good time like he's veryexcited.

Speaker 6 (33:31):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
So anything that's with friends, people that are in
this different space than he'sused to existing in and again to
emphasize friends, it makes himvery happy.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
He's so great.
I mean, we were in Vegas lastyear.
Aldean was opening up his newbar.
Yes, we were there.
Yeah, and we see him backstage.
He walks up and hands me mysigned Tom Brady jersey.

Speaker 6 (33:57):
That was nice of him to do that for you.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
That he told me he'd get when he came to a show Cash
where's my jersey?
Anyway, kurt, no, it's likethat's the kind of guy he is.
Though, yeah, like he said,like a few months earlier he was
like man, you want a Tom Bradyjersey.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, I do.
And I think I'm like you know,whatever I might get it, I might
not.
There, it is in a bag.

Speaker 6 (34:20):
That's how he is, though.
Yeah, kind of put it up thereright up with Manning.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yeah.
Yeah, I would never put theBrady jersey next to the Manning
jersey.
It would have to.
We've got to take the Manningjersey down.
Yeah, you might do them onopposite sides actually Because
Tully?

Speaker 2 (34:33):
says that Peyton Manning out of nowhere is
overrated.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
There we go.
Peyton Manning is overrated.

Speaker 6 (34:39):
It's a running thing, Alexis.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Kirk Herbstreit said, he disagreed what?

Speaker 3 (34:44):
does Kirk know?

Speaker 2 (34:46):
That's what he does for a living we love you Kirk.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
I think he knows more than us.
Wait, so You're a Patriots fan.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Are you from Massachusetts?

Speaker 3 (34:54):
I am from the Vermont area so if you go, do you know
where Burlington, vermont, wouldbe?
Probably not.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
No one does.
I was born in Weymouth.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Okay, so if you go across Lake.
Champlain, you go intoPlattsburgh, new York, which is
the tip kind of the northern tipof New England, so it's kind of
right on the edge of NewEngland.
So, northern tip of New England, it's kind of right on the edge
of New England, you get all theSox games and.
Pats and Bruins.
It's a running thing right nowwith the Brady man.

(35:24):
No contest between Manning andBrady, though we know that.

Speaker 6 (35:28):
Of course Never has been.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
I'm just saying Manning, to be clear, isn't in
the top 10.
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (35:33):
That sounds like a good one, top 10's good.
Are you a Razorback?
She agrees with me.
I am a Razorback.

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Yeah, we're big.

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They got her when she went to Arkansas.

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What years were you in Arkansas?

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Oh gosh, I was in Arkansas.
We moved there.
The funniest part about thiswhole thing and going back to
the Internet stuff, if we canfor a moment is that people's
favorite diss right now is thatit just doesn't make sense that
she was in England and then shewas in Switzerland and then she
moved to Arkansas.
They're just really offended bythe fact that.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
I I will say that doesn't make a ton of sense.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
I know that is a culture.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
We were just in London.
I got to tell you if I'm atLondon, I don't want to go to
Hot Springs, arkansas.

Speaker 6 (37:35):
You don't Not really I love Europe.
I don't know, I mean I like.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
London though.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
But, if I'm going from London and being dropped
into.

Speaker 7 (37:44):
Little Rock we're not going to drink tea in London.
Don't let Tilly Sott line youthere.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
I liked.
Arkansas, so much more itArkansas so much like more.
It's like my favorite place Ilived.
I still go back to Arkansas,see friends.
We've kept doctors there.
We've kept some of our bestfriends there.
We go back.
I'm going there, you know, soon.
Like I, I love Arkansas.
So the funniest part to me is,well, it might not make a lot of
geographical sense.
You know I was again born inWeymouth, moved to England when
I was little, learned to speakthere, had a British accent,

(38:12):
moved to Switzerland really canyou fire some of the?

Speaker 3 (38:15):
rest of the podcast.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Oh man, that yeah, wow moved to Switzerland we
never had a foreigner on herebefore hello no, if I do too
many accents there, because I'dalready.
It's flimsy with the southernthing, because I have to flatten
it out for news so that peoplecan understand me and commentary
, but it gets y'all it lilts, soI already have to flatten it
out too many accents.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
I want to hear it.
They're going to go.
That plays into the spy thingwith the british accent.
Exactly, she's got way too manyaccents she's got, so I went to
an international school inswitzerland, um, because we're
there for my dad's work.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
and then we moved to arkansas and that was that I was
, you know it was and we movedback stateside and so I was in.

Speaker 6 (38:57):
Arkansas and I loved it.
Where is Rogers Arkansas?
I think we're playing therethis week.
Is that the Walmart home?

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Oh, cool yeah, the Amp.

Speaker 6 (39:05):
I don't know where that is.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, yeah, that's, oh gosh.
That's like 15 minutes fromFayetteville, from where I'm
from.

Speaker 7 (39:11):
Oh it is.
Has Cash ever been to an ACCfootball game?

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Has he ever been to one?
I'm sure he has.
I haven't gotten him to araised-back game yet.
I've gotten him to Fayettevillethough.
Yeah, he's gotten to come homeand meet everybody, Okay.

Speaker 7 (39:24):
Tully's never been to an ACC football game, really.
No, it's coming.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
I'll go.
You had either.
At first I think it was one ofyour posts and you're at a desk
and you had something mountedabove you and at first I thought
you said bison, I said that'smy bison.
And then later another onelooked like you were saying a
spot, but it was a hog, right,but it was mounted.
It's a mounted head.
What's the story on that?

(39:50):
Most girls that I know wouldn'thave a mounted wild beast.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, so the bison is actually a fun story because I
love shooting.
I'm a big 2A advocate,obviously, big shooting, fan
shoot, skeet, whatever, but Idon't kill big game.
I just haven't.
It's not a choice, I just havenot done it.
And so for me, you know, Iwanted a bison hung in my house

(40:22):
so bad, and this was a coupleyears ago now and I wanted, I
wanted a bison and I knew thatthat was a design choice that I
wanted to make, wanted to have abison head.
I thought they were so cool, Ithought they were so cute.
I was like I got him a bison butI didn't want to go on like a
whole bison hunt and just do thewhole ordeal.
I I was trying to find one, andso my mom found this guy in
chattanooga that had, you know,random taxidermy.

(40:44):
We actually weren't, I don'tthink, going for a bison head,
we were going for wait for it asquirrel dressed up as a cowboy
yes we drove to chattanooga.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
I'm confused.
That does sound amazing.
Did you get that?

Speaker 1 (40:57):
I did acquire that.
Yes, I got a chipmunk dressedup as a cowboy too.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
I'm from Chattanooga.
You can find a lot ofinteresting things.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Yeah, they had raccoons dressed as cowboys in
kayaks Like they had.
It was really.
It's an amazing place, likehonestly it's great.
And I just I was like atDisneyland, that was my
Disneyland and I go.
Man, if you ever get a bison in, you have to let me know.
I've always wanted a bison.
And he goes I have a couple inthe shed.
I was like show me your bison.

(41:24):
So I walked there's a photosomewhere I will find it for
y'all of me hoisting, walking,carrying my own bison, head back
to the car, and mom and I setoff with my bison.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
So you just went in the shed and just killed it
right there.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
That'd be a lot cooler.
But I just picked from a couple.
I was like this one looks thehappiest, so we're going to take
him.
That's amazing.
And so I took my bison headhome.
And then the hog, actually Ithink, was from the same place,
wasn't it?
Yeah place, wasn't it?
yeah, was from the same placebecause it was, I think, coming
up on father's day and I thoughtit because we, like the
razorbacks, my dad's a razorbackfan too um you know, contrary

(42:00):
to the internet, he's not 95years old so I thought it would
so I thought it would behilarious if we got him a um a
hog and hung it in our housewhat are bison heads going for
these days?
I?
I cannot remember what I paidfor it.
No, I want to know what youpaid for a mounted bison head.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
That cannot be cheap.
She probably signed anautograph.
It cannot be cheap.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
I did not.
I paid full price.
What's it like?

Speaker 5 (42:25):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
I think it's like yeah it's like $1,500, $1,600.

Speaker 7 (42:33):
That's actually not bad, that's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yeah, it wasn't that bad I was like.
It was like $1,600 too.

Speaker 7 (42:37):
Hold on mounted and everything.
Yeah, it would have beencheaper than the actual house.
How much for a?

Speaker 3 (42:40):
full bison mounted.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
I have to ask that restaurant in Fort Worth that
has the bison butts on the wall.
That's a good price.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Our tech support, just um.
I feel like this sweet man hisname's Kelly.
I feel like this sweet man cutme a little bit of a deal Cause
I bought so many dog onchipmunks and squirrels that
were dressed up as cowboys.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
So what?
What are the chipmunks?
What do they go for?
Like $150, $200?
Yeah, I think it was like $150,$200.
That is below market value inmy world for a stuffed squirrel.
Well, you know what they usethem for.

Speaker 7 (43:20):
They get those things .
That's amazing.
Let me see.
Oh, yes, that's awesome, I'llsend that so our listening
audience can see.
Yeah, little cameras in and youset them around your house
Spies Little chipmunks.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Oh yeah, Spy chipmunks.

Speaker 7 (43:36):
Spies, buy little rodents and put cameras in them
and put them around their house.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
I feel like the type of spy that I'm being accused of
, though, does not use rodents,as they were.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
No, that's a different kind I'm talking about
, derek.
You'd be a lot more classy thanthat.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
I don't know that I would be.
I picture you if you were a spylike a.
This is gonna play so well.
No, no, total like.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
I picture you like the James Bond movie type spy,
like I don't want Cass to getmad at me, but like leather he's
not gonna get mad at you forthis sunglasses like some badass
spy.
Not like a, a scared spy, butlike a like a yeah, a good spy.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Thank you, yeah no he won't get mad at you.
I'm not giving the sleeper cellimpression.
I'm giving the like and I'lltake that as a compliment.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
James Bond type movie stuff I will, I will take that
Mission Impossible type stuff.
You know what I mean.
Those kinds of everywhere.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
So people talk about.
You know there's a relationshipand everything.
There's a difference ineverything.
And I was just kind of curious,you know, like what is the
height difference in you two?
Is it a lot?
Is it 18, 19 inches?

Speaker 1 (45:00):
I love that that's so funny.
That's not.
I love that that's so funny.
That's not where I saw thatgoing?

Speaker 6 (45:04):
Kayla's good at that.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Anyway, I just didn't know.
If you want to talk about that,there's a lot on that it's been
weighing on his mind.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Look, I get it.
I'm very short, you know peoplethink that I'm.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Often I meet people and they go.
I thought you'd be taller,which I say thank you.

Speaker 6 (45:17):
People say that to me a lot, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
All the time I'm five foot, like on my tallest like
standing up straightest.
Let's get back to us for awhile, right, do you?

Speaker 6 (45:31):
No, the four of us, no the four of us, because
before we knew Alexis, I did seeyou, gave a few interviews and
they were asking you about Trythat in a Small Town, what your
thoughts were on the JasonAldean song.
You always had our back.
This is I think, yeah, it wasbefore we knew you, but you
always had the back of thewriters of that song and, of

(45:53):
course, jason as well.
Do you remember what yourimpression of the song was when
you first heard it, and then thereaction to the reaction?

Speaker 1 (46:03):
I do.
I remember hearing it and beinggrateful that people were
starting to write the kind ofmusic that I was writing and
wanted to write, because Ithought you know, okay, this
means that I don't have to stayin a small corner and I can
continue to write with thepeople that I'm writing with and
I'm not going to get shunned,and I can to write with the
people that I'm writing with andI'm not going to get shunned,
and I can still write withpeople who are writing things
that are on the radio and I'mnot going to get chased out of

(46:25):
town for it.
This is exciting.
This is promising for me,because I was going to do what I
was doing anyway, but just thefact that it had a shot at being
mainstream, acceptable wasreally cool.
And I remember I think it wasat the same time that I was
working on stand, and I have aline in that, that is, you can
nail anytime you like for theflag, but I'll, but I'll never

(46:51):
do the same, um.
And so it made me feel betterthat, okay, this is actually
what people want to hear, andI'm not reading this wrong.
And when I go out and sing foraudiences and I get this
impression, you know I'm it's,it's the right gut, and so
that's how I felt.
When I heard the song, when Isaw the, the blowback on it, I
was like you know people saylike, oh, I was surprised.
I was genuinely, reallysurprised, because I didn't
think that the institution youknow, I knew that it was bad,

(47:13):
but I didn't think that theinstitutions were at a point
where they were going to get madfor individually footage in a
music video or picking out acertain value or a certain line,
like I thought it would be more, I don't know why I was so
surprised that the entities thatwere that I was dealing with
were also doing this to you knowmore mainstream artists as well

(47:36):
and I remember seeing the videoget pulled from CMT and that
was the most surprising thing tome because everyone seemed okay
with the song yeah, yeah at theoutset is what I thought and
then out that at that point itfelt like it flipped a little
bit, and so I was.
I was surprised, um, but it alsomade me feel like I had people
on my team, even though I didn'tknow y'all yet so yeah, you

(47:58):
always got our back.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Thank you for that.

Speaker 7 (48:01):
We were actually elated when all the backlash
started Because it was like,okay, people are fixing to stand
up.
And then CMT pulled it and thenI was like this is awesome.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
That's when it took off.
That's when it took off.
When CMT pulled it, it was it'skind of a Bud Light moment.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Well, you mentioned what you said 20 minutes ago.
I think you said somethingabout playing your shows and
seeing what your fan base was,and what's crazy for us to still
think about is our fan baseloves Try that in a Small Town,
but yet the people that aresupposed to be in the industry
here couldn't be more different.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Right.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
You know, seeing country music television pulls
it.

Speaker 6 (48:42):
Right.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Which is funny, just to say.

Speaker 6 (48:45):
I know.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
But it's funny to say , but then we go out and play it
for, you know, 20,000 people.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
And they love it.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
And they love it.
But, country music.
Television pulls it, so itdefinitely was a weird time.
I feel like it's.

Speaker 7 (48:58):
It was here in town, because the whole time I mean,
even our publishers were likethey were kind of keeping their
distance.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
That's the thing that's bizarre to me when I look
at the lay of the land, whenyou actually go out on the road
and you know I'll sing my songs,I'll sing country back.
I'll sing stand, I'll sing mystuff.
That's like I said, not.
You know, overtly patriotic andjust good, old-fashioned
country music I'll covercourtesy of the Red, white and
Blue, and people could notpossibly scream any louder.
You know, when they hear thatsong start or when they hear

(49:27):
country back, like, those arethe songs that they come to my
music accounts for.
You know people, you know theyhold up their Spotify or
whatever and try to show youthat they're on your pages and
it's really, it's awesome, it'sreally heartwarming because
they're showing up.
But you know, even when youbring, I think what's weird to
me about all of this stuff isyou can bring business to people

(49:49):
and they still look at you andgo.
I don't know if we want thebusiness that you're bringing,
which just doesn't make anysense to me, because you know's
in the environment obviously ischanging a little bit now, which
I'm grateful for, but it'sstill.
You know it's.
You can be booking shows allyear and you know turning a
profit or at least breaking evenor doing the things that you

(50:11):
can do and and getting calls towhere it's it's stressful to do
yourself, with your, with your,you know, small team to book
these shows and put them.
And now we have a team, nowit's great, but you know, you
get them on the calendar youfigured out yourself and you go.
I could have an agent that couldbe doing this and would be
happy that the schedule was fulland that the raw you know it's

(50:33):
it.
Just it doesn't compute for methat these people are willing to
say no to business that'swalking in their door just
because it's business that theydon't I don't know, agree with.
Like I think half these peoplesecretly do agree with it.
They just, you know, don't knowif it's publicly acceptable yet
.
But I think we're turning thecorner a little.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
That's what we always said you know our publishers,
you know if they weren't, theydidn't have any trouble taking
the money so that's always beenmy main bitch about the whole
thing.
It's your right to disagreewith it, but disagree with it
publicly, then take the moneyprofit from it.
That's classic left.

Speaker 5 (51:12):
It is, it's classic left.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
With your team and you've got your songs, and with
your team and you know andyou've got your songs out, your
videos and all the things.
Have you or are you currentlypursuing like major record label
deals Because you're mentioninggoing in and meeting with
people bringing them yourbusiness Are you still pursuing
that or do you just want tocontinue doing things on your
own?
Where are you set with that?

Speaker 1 (51:36):
You know, it's interesting because, like I said
, there's a bit of a temperaturechange and I think that you
people are starting to see theway that America is reacting and
ultimately be more open to it.
You know, I've been pursuingthis whole thing in my own
ecosystem, realizing that I kindof had to go my own road.
You know, as of 2016, 2018,2020, of course, and kind of all

(51:58):
the all the path that's led mehere, that was a.
You know, as of 2016, 2018,2020, of course, and kind of all
the all the path that's led mehere, that was a.
You know, okay, alexis, if youwant to retain your morals,
you're gonna.
You're gonna kind of be on yourown road, and if someone wants
to reach back and help you, ifsomeone wants to, you know, know
that you stand for the rightthings and and get on your team.
For that reason, awesome.
But other than that, you're kindof going to be going this thing

(52:18):
alone.
But I think that thetemperature has shifted in the
last little bit and while thisis a operating kind of machine
that we've been doing a longtime by ourselves, I would
absolutely be open, you know, ifsomeone wanted to collaborate
now.
Absolutely, I just wouldn'tnecessarily want to.

(52:38):
Uh, you know, I wouldn't do itat the, at the compromising of
my voice or what I do,especially if I'm getting to do
and say and put out what I wantnow I think you got enough
momentum going right now on yourown.

Speaker 7 (52:50):
I would.
How many shows I would keepdoing it on your own?
How many shows a year do you do?

Speaker 3 (52:55):
like how many shows like this year or last year like
oh gosh, you're on the road.
Like how many?
I was wondering because you'reyou're always on your instagram
and you're you're everywhere.
So how do you like?
How many like performances areyou doing, you think?

Speaker 1 (53:09):
um, you know it's hard because last year was so
much anthems for campaigningthings or for just patriotic or
political things in general,whether it's a fundraiser or a
fundraiser for a campaign orwhatever it might have been.
So much of the road stuff wasthat in addition to shows that I
was doing, and then, like Isaid, the temperature changed

(53:29):
and then it was kind of lookedat as a good thing that I was
standing in my values and doingwhat I was doing.
So then the schedule this yearhas gotten busier and it's hard
to discern when we're on theroad for an anthem or when we're
on the road for a full show oropening for somebody.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
You're still on the road.
The road's, the road, yeahexactly.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
I mean, we're out most of the time.
Whether it's for me to and nowDC is more of a normal thing,
but last year, meeting up withcash during the campaign, you
know us making our schedule workthis year has been, uh, an
adventure, and that's it'salways back and forth too, which
is good, I mean, ultimately,and I'm I'm out of town a lot,
so it makes a whole lot of sense.

Speaker 6 (54:10):
But you know, we're, we're on, we're out a lot,
honestly, yeah right, you do alot of, uh, or you did a lot of
veterans hospitals.
Um, and I know the military issomething that's very uh close
to your heart.
Uh, your great-grandfather wasin world war ii, is that right?

Speaker 1 (54:27):
yeah, your dad, the korean war, you mentioned that
talk a little bit about that andyour appreciation for the
military and yes, so it started,um, like most things in my life
, with learning about history,and my papa, my grandfather, who
served in the Korean Waralongside my parents, always
made sure that I had a grasp ofnot only where I came from,

(54:48):
which I'm Armenian, and so myfamily fled the Armenian
genocide, so it was learningabout the Ottoman Empire,
governmental structures,different wars that were fought,
really what we had to gothrough and not just we, but
what people have to go throughto get to the United States and
to pursue this idea and thisdream that is America.

(55:11):
And so for me, I had a verystrong grasp on what was
important and what people were,what men and women were going
overseas or even heredomestically and sacrificing
their time and blood and sweatand tears for, and so I had a
really good idea of what thatlooked like early on.
And then it became, you know,when I started looking more into

(55:32):
the cause and understandingeverything that surrounded it
and doing my best to put myselfin these incredible people's
shoes and then writing with them, you know, doing the creative
vets and worry around stuff.
Where you go in, as you allprobably know, you songwriters
are paired with veterans.
You get to write, memorializetheir stories, and that's one of
my favorite things, that that Iget to do as a writer and

(55:55):
really performer too, becausegetting to see them, see, see
their story, there's nothinglike it.
And so it's just kind of been apath of understanding what
they've gone through, pairedwith understanding the
appreciation that they don't getsometimes because it's either
linked to politics or it'slinked to which it shouldn't be,
or it's linked to time.

(56:16):
I mean, I know that when I wasgoing into hospitals regularly,
especially pre-COVID, becausethere was a lot of different
stuff after COVID that youcouldn't go into hospitals and
all that jazz.
But when I would say, hey, whyisn't anyone signed up for and I
love the organization it's hardbecause people who you love

(56:38):
them as people, you know thatthey're, they're lean, they lean
a little left and they don'tlike you because of it and you
feel it, and I don't think theythink you feel it, but you feel
it.
So you don't get to go dothings anymore, which sucks, but
but I still work in VA.
I'm happy, I love the VA ingeneral, but you know I was
going.
Why aren't people signed up forthe veterans hospital?
Why isn't this chock full?
You guys have this slot everyWednesday.

(57:01):
Why aren't people all over this?
And ultimately, god love them,it's because they wanted to go,
do you know, women's andchildren's, or they wanted to do
the ones that had photo opsattached to them and it just,
you know, it wasn't glitzy, itwasn't glamorous to go into the
Veterans Hospitals, and I'm notsure why, because that's the
coolest place with the cooleststories and the coolest people,

(57:22):
but it just wasn't what wasbeing recognized for people to
sign up.
And so when I realized thatthere was a lack of appreciation
, that I could see tangibly andnot just me going to go sing
music for them, but hearingtheir stories echoed back to me,
writing with veterans who weretelling me about coming home
after Vietnam and the thingsthat they heard after the fact.

(57:45):
And this one gentleman wastelling me about his experience
coming home from Vietnam wasalready awful.
His sister didn't pick him upfrom the base, nothing was
really felt, as it should be.
And then, years down the line,he heard that one of the Clinton
aides or I forget who it was, Iused to know exactly who it was
, but it's been a minute One ofthe aides said on the news we

(58:07):
sent the smart guys toWashington and we sent the dumb
guys to Vietnam.
And the fact that that's asoundbite that these men and
ultimately, men and women, haveto go back and listen to is, uh,
is despicable to me.
And that's the stuff that we'rewe're hopefully building a
culture to war against.

(58:28):
And then you know you, you dothat research, you understand
where that comes from.
It, of course, bleeds intounderstanding law enforcement,
the lack of appreciation there,and then going through 2020,
seeing defund the police, all ofyou know all the crap that
we've had to witness andunderstanding what our, what our
brave men and women, both hereat home and overseas, have gone
through, is, uh, it's just beeneye-opening and really gross to

(58:50):
to see specifically mygeneration honestly, um, to not
appreciate at all.
You know they'll.
They'll fight for the authorityof a teacher to tell you that
your kid should like changetheir gender, but they won't
fight for the authority ofsomeone who goes out in the
streets every day, you know, notknowing what they're going to
encounter and if they're goingto come home to their family.
So I just that work is is themost important work that that

(59:14):
I'll get to do, and I'm actually.
I opened a foundation calledthe american heroes foundation
oh, that's great and I'm doingwhat I call the back the badge
tour.
Um, and it's a while.
It is a cohesive tour.
It's a cohesive tour in thesense that I'm turning every
single city I go to, whetherit's for a national anthem, a
speaking engagement a any otherreason.

(59:35):
I have an appearance or anactual tour date and we're going
to go visit police offices andsheriff offices and departments
and tell them thank you for whatyou do, try to help them out
with something.
We're working on the suppliesaspect because I want to be able
to offer something and that'swhat we're doing.

Speaker 6 (59:55):
Good on you for doing that.

Speaker 7 (59:55):
That's awesome, wow, and you do it doing that, that's
awesome, that's awesome, wow,and you do it with class.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:00:05):
What else Anybody else got something?
Or should we let Alexis liveher life?

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
I was just going to say you know, sometimes you can
tell when people are doingexactly what they're meant to be
doing and what they love to bedoing just by their face.
You know just, you have just acontent, peaceful glow and it's,
it's awesome.
You know that you're very, verytalented.
You can do anything you wantand you really have.
You've done so many things, butstill to be so giving like that

(01:00:32):
is really cool.
Thank you and, and so we reallyappreciate you, appreciate you
coming by here for sure.
You know, oh yeah, Even thoughyou're definitely going to get
something out of it, becausethis is a huge podcast, but it's
crazy though she's been doingit since six years old, I know
right, that's.

Speaker 7 (01:00:48):
I know that's so.
It's kind of like you'recalling, We've been saying we're
going to get guests on herethat are not smarter than us but
we've failed again, failedmiserably.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Tonight we're over 56 .
I joke that, uh, and I feellike most people, my mom
included, would agree with methat I'm you know, I.
I joke that I'm old man likeshaking my fist from my porch
because I've been doing this solong, but even though it's just
because I started really youngand because my own generation,
you know, they need some, theyneed some assistance.
So when we we say like yeah,I've been doing this for a long
time, people probably don'tthink six.
But you know, that's why,that's why I'm an old man
shaking my fist from my porchwith these young kids.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
You've got some good DNA, you know, because?

Speaker 6 (01:01:32):
I always think there's, there's, there's a hard
wiring to people you know,that's uh interesting hey,
you're very well spoken man youcan't even get better than that.

Speaker 7 (01:01:41):
That was excellent.
It was how do we wrap it up.
You know where to go when youwant to get a song going hey,
let's do it, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
You know where to get at it we're very appreciative
yeah, thank you very much, yeah,your time's valuable and, uh,
we love you no, this was fun.
I needed this this week.

Speaker 6 (01:01:55):
Thank y'all All right Alexis Wilkins, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Thanks so much.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Yay, thank you.
Y'all are awesome, thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:02:05):
That was impressive.
Yeah, she's impressive, alexis.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
That was great oh my gosh Class.
Really fun.
I learned a lot and I'd Ididn't know she's sharp.

Speaker 6 (01:02:17):
She's sharp and so intimidating.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
I know In a nice way though I mean, but yes, yes, Six
years old talking about readingthe what is it Smithsonian, I
didn't even know there was amagazine how many syllables are
in that.

Speaker 6 (01:02:32):
Smithsonian.

Speaker 7 (01:02:34):
I'm like I'm watching Hee Haw when I was six.
I'm not reading the Smithsonian.

Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
I'm watching Hee Haw.
How did you like Hee Haw, wasit?
No, hee Haw.
Hee Haw was amazing.
No, hee.

Speaker 5 (01:02:46):
Haw was it was for the music right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
No, it wasn't, Mainly .

Speaker 7 (01:02:50):
I used to be at my grandparents' house and I'd be
sitting on the carpet, the shagcarpet.
Oh, the I'm going to shagcarpet, laying down on my belly
with my hands under my chin, mycute little chin, like this, and
I'm not watching, I mean thewhole time.
I'm like it's like my firstlove experience.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
Yeah, Love experience , miss Goodbody, you saw my,
miss Goodbody.

Speaker 7 (01:03:12):
And it's like they didn't have a clue that.
That's the only reason Iwatched Hee Haw.

Speaker 6 (01:03:15):
Oh, they had a clue.

Speaker 7 (01:03:17):
They didn't show it, they're just.
You know they're back theresmoking.

Speaker 6 (01:03:20):
Little Neil sure is into that.
You know, little Neil yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:03:25):
And they think that I'm learning and cutting my
teeth on country music with HeeHaw, and I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Meanwhile, Neil's laying face down on the carpet.
He seems to be levitating.

Speaker 7 (01:03:37):
Little Neil's levitating it's like I mean I
watched.
I watched he hauled for the,for the ladies from miss
goodbody and the other ones, andI was like I was that's when I
learned I wasn't gay, he hauled.
Thank you, he hauled.

Speaker 6 (01:03:56):
Thank you, yes, yes, I think this new studio brings
out, uh, a different side of usyeah, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
I feel very good here .

Speaker 7 (01:04:04):
Yeah, I do too the e-spaces, e-spaces.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
I love it one's a really cool building and it is
kind of cool to get out, eventhough the studio where we were,
which is neil's writing roomand house, it was great, it's
great, but it feels like we gota garage band then we got a
first gig.

Speaker 7 (01:04:26):
We finally got a band .

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
It is nice.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
There's coffee and espresso stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:04:34):
We think it's free.
We're probably going to get abill.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
I don't know, but I'm sure thankful for it.

Speaker 7 (01:04:38):
It's an awesome place .
I love these spaces.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Thanks Purtle.
Yeah, seriously, john Purtle.
Thank you, buddy.

Speaker 6 (01:04:43):
Thank you.
Also, we got Patriot Mobile,another one of our sponsors.
These guys are awesome.
We were just talking about thisand I've got this on my phone.
I don't know this.

(01:05:06):
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They'll give you a free month,so you need to check this out.
Like I have at&t my phone, youcan also get another carrier on
your phone as well so att badservice, I just go over to
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Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Yeah, so no different number.

Speaker 6 (01:05:12):
You've got two lines it actually is a different
number, but if I text you fromthat number it comes up as it
comes up, the same.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Oh cool, so in my contact from either way it comes
up yeah and it's.

Speaker 6 (01:05:22):
I mean it's awesome.
We're on the road a lot, we'rein buildings that don't have
service and then like, oh hey, Igot it.
So we encourage everybody tocheck that out as well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
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intended, they're the og andthey get, they get.
Uh, have y'all tried the beerMosa that they've got?

Speaker 6 (01:05:42):
You've talked about that before, but I haven't.
It's good.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
It's really good.
I mean, they got all kinds ofstuff, but anyway, that's the
last thing I have, is it amorning drink.
Well, I had it on the way here.
I mean I think it's, but if youwant to pigeonhole it, sure.
But anyway that's great.
And we got other stuff too.
I will say I know we haveanother sponsor to talk about,

(01:06:05):
but when you picked up the phoneit reminded me.
This is a.
You know, you have all kinds ofscams going on.
This is a really clever scam.
Somebody sent it to me, sosomehow you have somebody that
can call you and it will comefrom like, for example, tully's
wife Alyssa would call you andyou would see.

(01:06:25):
It be her picture or her name,whatever you have, I've heard
about this.
That's her and the person on theother end will say that they've
got her and if you don't sendso much money or whatever, then
you're going to Kidnap your wife.

Speaker 7 (01:06:38):
Yeah, the kidnap, it's like legit.
And what?

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
you think, and especially people are busy and
you look and like if that's mywife it's like Rachel and I say,
well damn, it's her phone.
How does that guy have?
You know what I mean.
So anyway, that's a brand newone and they're getting a lot of
people.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
It's a scary one because it's so clever, because
that would freak people out, um.

Speaker 7 (01:07:05):
So anyway, I just want people to be aware of that,
because that that that's onethat could get a lot of a lot of
people.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
I know, yeah, so watch out for that.
Thank you, kelly.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Yeah, I don't know, about that yeah a lot of twisted
people out there, do we have?

Speaker 6 (01:07:13):
well, who else we need to talk about?

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
uh, we've got the wellness, uh, wellness company,
yeah, um which.
That's great, neil, you want totalk about the wellness company
.
Yeah, which, that's great.
Neil, you want to talk aboutthe wellness company.

Speaker 7 (01:07:22):
I just got two new kits in the mail.

Speaker 6 (01:07:23):
You did Okay, we got to get the kits on the road man,
you kidding me.

Speaker 7 (01:07:28):
Essentials you got to have them, Y'all should have a
kit in every bunk on the bus thewhole tour.
Every bus should have kits Wellyou're right dude.
I mean it's gonna save the show.
I'm serious.
I mean it's like when I got mykits in the mail I was like
we're set lana.
Yeah, we're set dude you're 100right?

Speaker 6 (01:07:46):
I mean we'll be out there and if somebody does get
sick you know they call the rockdog, that's what they say they
bring somebody in to give you asteroid shot or whatever.
I mean it's all right there,yeah it's in the pack.
It's's in the kit Just have itthere, yes.
If I get a yeast infection.

Speaker 7 (01:08:02):
It's right there.
I hope you don't get a yeastinfection.

Speaker 6 (01:08:06):
Oh gosh, yeah, I mean , it's very difficult on a
Sunday to get a gynecologist tocome out on the road.

Speaker 7 (01:08:12):
If I decide to transition, I'm covered.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Well, I mean, I guess guys can get yeast infections
too, covered yeah, well, I mean,I guess guys can get yeast
infections too.
It's just sorry you guys.
I'm not really sure, but we can,yeah, we can edit that it's fun
, but uh, but anyway ourlisteners love well, one of our
listeners brought up a prettygood point because in one of
earlier I'd I'd said that I keptone of my glove box, which I
did, but somebody that said said, hey, doesn't it get hot?

(01:08:38):
And like if your z-ack andstuff like that Is that bad for
it?
I don't know if it is or not,but it seemed like it was a
pretty good point.
I don't think I need the.

Speaker 7 (01:08:44):
Z-Pack in my glove box, room temp.
Hey, can I ask a question?

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
It's got to be room temp.
Don't keep it in the car.
Yeah, it Does anybody.

Speaker 6 (01:08:55):
Keep gloves in the glove box.

Speaker 7 (01:08:58):
I have them in my what do they call it?
A glove box In the summer.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Oh, like all year round.

Speaker 6 (01:09:04):
No, I'm just saying what do they call it?
A glove box?
Does anybody actually reallykeep their gloves there?

Speaker 7 (01:09:07):
I bet they used to.
That's a fantastic question, bythe way.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
I bet they used to which makes me think of a
different thing, which is kindof the same.
But what do you guys call likein in the bathroom when you flip
on and you've got the, you knowthe this blower, fan, whatever
do you call it, a blower or afan, I say fan, fan, fan, I say
blower.
My dad always called it, saidturn the blower on, son, really.
And and remember it was like ayear ago when I said I said

(01:09:31):
something, I said yeah, I said Igotta, I gotta meet a guy over
there.
The blower's not working.
He said what, what?
What blower?
So we know, in the bathroom youturn it on to the blower and he
goes it's a fan, that's a ventfan.

Speaker 7 (01:09:40):
Anyway, I've always called it a blower even though
it doesn't blow.
Lana makes fun of me forcalling um a water hose, a hose
pipe.
It's not.
Why would?

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
you, I've always called it a hose, it's not a
pipe it's a pipe well, there's apipe, but you're asking this is
the definition it's the hose toit, so then it's a hose pipe.
It's not a pipe.
It has the hose to it, so thenit's a hose, it's a hose pipe.

Speaker 7 (01:09:57):
It's not a pipe, though, and she makes fun of me.
She's from California, I'm fromAlabama.
It's a hose pipe, A hose and apipe are different things.
You moved east.
It's a hose pipe.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
But once you hook the hose up, doesn't it just become
a hose then?

Speaker 7 (01:10:07):
But it's still a pipe .
It's hollow tube, a hose,unbendable, otherwise it would
just be a hard pipe.
We need to let our listenersdecide.
I'm not even worried about thatone what the definition of a

(01:10:28):
pipe is does it have to beflexible or does it have to be
hard?

Speaker 6 (01:10:33):
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Answer the question.
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Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
You want that pipe hard?

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Go to OnlyFanscom and answer the question oh man I
love this new studio.
It is bringing out some stuffRight on gang.
I feel like we're moreourselves here.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
We're not confined.
All right, we better end it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:52):
We're out in the wild .
This is great.
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Speaker 7 (01:10:55):
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Speaker 5 (01:10:57):
We should actually keep going.

Speaker 7 (01:10:59):
Our listeners are pulling off the road right now
laughing Come on, you are fakedudes.
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:11:07):
We've got to thank Alexis Wilkins for being a part
of this.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Absolutely.

Speaker 6 (01:11:14):
Hopefully she doesn't listen to this part of the
conversation.
She was awesome.
Thank you to all the sponsors,of course.
Go to YouTube, leave us us acomment, do all that kind of
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Speaker 7 (01:11:22):
Download please please.

Speaker 6 (01:11:25):
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I got TK, I got K-Lo, I got thethrash we got fun dude.

Speaker 7 (01:11:30):
We got the dude come on.

Speaker 6 (01:11:33):
We appreciate you guys.
Thanks for listening.

Speaker 5 (01:11:34):
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