From Gridiron To Guitar - David Cone's Story :: Ep 82 Try That in a Small Town Podcast - Try That in a Small Town Podcast

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SPEAKER_07 (00:30):
Playing football at Michigan at 18 years old was the
hardest thing I'd ever done inmy life.
And going to school at theUniversity of Michigan was the
And I was doing both of them atthe same time.
And it's just like, especiallyat as a freshman, I'm drowning
trying to learn speed breakDetroit right side 300 box Y
stick H through or 54X slush.
And there's 80 of those.

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There's 80 of those to know.
Have you lost any bets fromfemale refs?

SPEAKER_06 (00:55):
No.
No.
I just want to see a female refbreak up a fight.
No, I do feel though that'swhat's what I want to see.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06):
Just uh random, or is there one?
She's angry.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09):
She's grumpy.
Flag! She's holding, not holdingenough.

SPEAKER_07 (01:14):
He's not holding me enough.
This is what I always say aboutfootball.
I don't care about the guy who'ssitting on his couch watching to
be entertained who's eatingpotato chips.
This is about giving young menan opportunity to go showcase
what they're capable of on afield and face adversity.
And you know, the more yousoften the game at every single
level, the more the more of anopportunity you're taking away

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from them to do that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38):
The Try That in a Small Town Podcast.
Beginners.

SPEAKER_05 (01:48):
Alright, y'all.
Welcome back to another episodeof the Try That M.
Is it the Try That and the SmallTempo?
It's just Tri That Travelling.
Welcome back to Travat and SmallTempo.
Yeah, we got Thrash.
KLO TK.
I'm Kurt.
And it's cold Nashville.

SPEAKER_06 (02:06):
We got a new Thrash.

SPEAKER_03 (02:07):
Look at look at Thrash.
It doesn't look how good helooks.

SPEAKER_06 (02:10):
This is as long as I've had it.
It looks really good.
I'm past the irritating stage.
Are you growing it out?
Yeah.
I'm gonna see what happens.
You look really good, man.
How does Lana feel about it?
Well, it's like a new man.
She'll do it.
She's told Kurt.

SPEAKER_05 (02:22):
Oh boy.

SPEAKER_06 (02:22):
That's what Neil told me.
That's Neil Cold's words.
Not even close.

SPEAKER_02 (02:28):
Neil said, Lana will do what I say.
Yeah.
And then I said, You bettercheck with Lana about that.

SPEAKER_06 (02:34):
Yeah.
You all do what Lana says.
Amen we do that.

SPEAKER_04 (02:38):
Yeah, I had a good uh mine was a little longer
because we hadn't.
You're clean, right?
So I couldn't make a decision.
With a razor?
Does Rachel like like a smoothface?

SPEAKER_06 (02:48):
Does she like a smooth face?

SPEAKER_04 (02:50):
She likes uh both ways.
Yep.
Facewise.

SPEAKER_06 (02:53):
You break out the manscapes.
Do you break out the manscaped?

SPEAKER_04 (02:56):
Nope, still has this still has the little uh plastic
wrapping on it.
Well then, did you buy it?
No.
No, I've just had it for youactually had it.
Well I did.
Yes, I did buy it, but I've hadit for like four years.
And it's just sitting in theIt's probably outdated.
I don't even know if it works.
You know, everything needs a napnow.

SPEAKER_06 (03:15):
I don't know.
I mean you should at least tryit out.
You should at least try it out.
Yeah, I don't know.
But anyway.
No, you should.
Yeah.
Life's short.
Yeah.
Well.

SPEAKER_05 (03:27):
Some shorter than others.
Oh my gosh.
Let's talk about tonight.
Yeah, let's talk about tonightbecause this is a really cool
episode.
Uh, David Cohn, who has a showof his own called uh a crane and
company, right?
It's a sports show.
It's over on the Daily Wire,Daily Wire Plus.
Uh they talk a lot of sports, alot of college athletics, and of

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course, it's over the DailyWire, so they have a
conservative viewpoint as well.
But this dude is legit.
He state championship, uh wentquarterback, went to University
of Michigan.
I mean a top-tier college.
A place where the goat reigned.
Hey, Manning went I didn't knowNick Saban went there.

SPEAKER_03 (04:12):
That's so ridiculous, Caitlin.

SPEAKER_05 (04:13):
You're saying I'm just but listen with David, um
with all that and how cool thatis, he's actually an an artist
as well.
He's got a new song out calledRichest Man in Town.
Uh he grew up listening tocountry music.
We're gonna talk a lot aboutthat.
He's got a great knowledge of uhcountry music history, and he's

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a great artist.
It's just a really cool uhthing.
And you know, we love talkingsports, so we're gonna talk a
lot of sports, but we're gonnatalk some music with him too
because I know he's anxious totalk about his music stuff.

SPEAKER_04 (04:45):
Yeah.
I I want to, you know, get askhim about the some of the
betting stuff, you know, justbecause watching some of the
stuff today, getting ready, youknow, he just throwing out all
these things and these terms,you know, like because I always
get lost, you know, everybody'sgambling on stuff.
Said, well, let's do the, youknow, it's you know, Oregon
minus 27 and a half, you know,whatever.
I'm like, I don't I I know thatmeans that somebody's supposed

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to lose or win by 27 and a half,but I'm not sure which one, you
know.
So that's how basically that'sthe level I'm at, you know.
Yeah, so I wanna because he canroll off that stuff really good.

SPEAKER_05 (05:14):
He's seems like a pretty intelligent man.

SPEAKER_04 (05:17):
He's he's very sharp.
He's a little little smarterthan I'll say me, definitely.

SPEAKER_06 (05:22):
Slightly taller than him.
It seems like every guest wehave on is smarter than we are.
Yeah, I guess.
Yeah.
Yeah, but can they can they makeup shit for a living and make
money at it?

SPEAKER_05 (05:34):
He can.

SPEAKER_03 (05:37):
I said make money at it.
Oh, do you think when the guestsleave, when we have guests on
and their guests leave walking?
He's actually really goodthough.
You think the guests say, wow,they're short.
They're smarter than I thoughtthey were.
I don't know.
Never.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (05:50):
But they do search.

SPEAKER_05 (05:51):
Any guest ever said that?

SPEAKER_04 (05:52):
No, but they do seem to enjoy it because we we do
love people and uh all theguests we've had, you know,
they're everybody's different,but it's always fun.
And what I like about it, likeespecially a guy like you know,
David, is I knew nothing abouthim.
You know, and so then youresearch him, you know, for yet
two or three hours, whatever, toget ready.
And then you then you go downthe rabbit holes, like, I should
have spent ten hours on thisbecause they've everybody's done

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so much.
It's just a super interestingguy, so I I'm I'm pumped about
the episode.

SPEAKER_05 (06:17):
Yeah, totally, totally anxious for everybody to
hear it.
Uh, we gotta make sure uh beforewe do that, we thank our
sponsors.
Of course, we got original glorybeer, which is an awesome,
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Make sure you go check it out.
Uh well, somebody should bringsome next time.
We'll have it here.

SPEAKER_04 (06:33):
Yeah, we should have because Veterans Day today on
the filming here.
That would have been a goodvideo.
So we should have, yep, shouldhave done that.

SPEAKER_05 (06:38):
Uh of course, in filming here, we're at eSpaces,
which is uh an amazing studiothey've given us to uh check out
espaces.com.
And of course, our favorite cellphone company in the world,
Patriot Mobile.
Got my hat on.
You got your hat on, you'rerepresenting it.

SPEAKER_04 (06:55):
And everybody's got their line rocking, right?
Like Kirk, can you can you kindof like quickly explain?

SPEAKER_05 (07:00):
They have different plans, but what we have and what
I have is basically twodifferent carriers on my phone.
So my main carrier is ATT.
Um and it's fine.
Um but sometimes ATT, you're outof s you don't get great
service, and I can flip over tomy other line, which is

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T-Mobile, and go to that.
And I got great service.

SPEAKER_04 (07:24):
So that's your Patriot line.

SPEAKER_05 (07:36):
Like I said, they have all different kinds of
plans, but that's what I've got.

SPEAKER_03 (07:41):
It's amazing.
Great company, but also youknow, rest assured, the the
people that are behind thiscompany are amazing people.
Yeah.
They feel better about beinginvolved at Patriot Mobile in so
many ways.

SPEAKER_04 (07:55):
Yeah, and they love Samaliding, don't they?
Yeah, they're good people.
How many shows do they go toalmost everyone?

SPEAKER_05 (07:59):
They went to every almost every show.
Yeah, I mean, they sponsored thetour, so they were there pretty
much every show.

SPEAKER_04 (08:04):
Amazing people.

SPEAKER_05 (08:05):
But they're just they're just uh good huggers.

SPEAKER_03 (08:08):
Amazing patriots.
Yeah, they are good huggers.

SPEAKER_06 (08:10):
I agree.
They bring it in.
Yeah.
You know how I like to hug.
I know.
Full frontal.
They get a 10, 10 and a half onthe hug meter.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (08:19):
Uh anyway, we were so thankful for them.
We're thankful for you guys forwatching.
Just uh check out here is DavidCohn.
David, thanks for being here,buddy.
Yeah, man.
Thank you guys so much forhaving me.
This is a real honor.
Uh David is the co-host of Craneand Company.
He's also got some new musicout, which we got to get to that
in a little bit.
But for the people that uhhaven't seen the show, tell them

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what Crane Company is.

SPEAKER_07 (08:42):
So we have a sports show over at the Daily Wire.
We moved here from Atlanta in2022, and uh just real real
honor to live here in Nashville,man.
Uh, you know, we we try andbring a very pro-America
patriotic feel for our sportsshow.
And uh hey, I think we'll fitright in with you guys.
Serious man, all you guys andthe work that y'all have done
has been uh a big inspiration onme personally, and uh thank you.

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I don't know if I'd call itwork.
Well, let him let him go on.
He's fantastic.
He's saying nice things.
Go on, David.
Seriously, y'all's dedication toyour craft, man.
It's uh it's uh it's been a realinspiration, and thanks for
everything you guys do, andthanks for having me here.

SPEAKER_05 (09:19):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (09:20):
Wow.

SPEAKER_05 (09:20):
Absolutely.
What do you guys want to get to?
You want to talk to the music?
You want to talk sports?
What should we do for the thing?
What do you want to talk about?
What do you want to talk about?

SPEAKER_07 (09:26):
You want to talk about sports or music?
Well, I see you with yourAlabama here on Roll Tide, man.

SPEAKER_06 (09:30):
Roll Tide, and you're a Todd fan?

SPEAKER_07 (09:32):
Well, I'm married into it.
Your father-in-law was a uhformer cooperative.
I'm married into this.
Uh Richard Todd's myfather-in-law.

SPEAKER_05 (09:39):
Yes, that is so cool.

SPEAKER_07 (09:40):
Which I have to say, man, and when I met my wife,
Darby Lou, she's just thegreatest, and we hit it off.
Football was obviously a bigreason that we hit it off.
We met in Atlanta workingtogether.
Um, and she's like, Yeah, my dadplayed football, and it took a
couple dates before I realized,oh, wait, that's Richard Todd's
daughter.
You know, I grew up a Dolphinsfan.
My dad's a few years.
It was a big AFC East rivalry,you know.

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Yeah.
But not really.
Seriously.
Really.
Well, when I fell in love withthe Dolphins, it was the Dan
Marino era and Tom Brady hadn'tstarted doing his thing yet in
the division.
But uh anyway, Richard Todd's agreat man as far as
father-in-laws go, just thegreatest guy, and uh he said to
tell you roll tide.

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Roll tide back to him.

SPEAKER_06 (10:24):
I'm sure I watched him play when I was I bet you
did.

SPEAKER_07 (10:26):
I bet you did.
He's got some great Bear Bryantstories and Joe Namous stories.
I would love to hear thatultimately.
I spent a lot of time at LegionField.
We'll get uh we'll get we'll getRichard in here.
We'll get Richard in BobBaumhauer.
You should get Bob Baumhauer inhere.
Yes.
You know what's funny is gettingto bring us some food.
Yeah, some wings, man.
Um my dad pushed my brothers andme pretty hard playing football,

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and whenever he would simulate apressure against me, one name he
would always say, because hegrew up a Dolphins fan, was Bob
Baumhauer.
I'm Bob Baumhauer, I'm comingafter you.
But I got so tired of hearingthat name.
Then I marry Richard Todd'sdaughter, come to find out
Richard and Bob are bestfriends.
Bob's the first person whohigh-fives me after my wife and
I come down the aisle at a guy.
You know, like, man, I hatedhearing your name growing up,

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but uh he's a great guy, too.

SPEAKER_05 (11:11):
Okay, so you alluded to it.
You're a former collegequarterback, you won a state
championship in high school,which I think is interesting.
We were just talking, right, atStatesboro.
Statesboro high school, yeah.
Which we have some old ties to,and of course.
Al Dean is from that area.
As a matter of fact, you mayhave beat his high school.
Was he at Warner Robbins?
Yeah.

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Which I think is who I'm gonnado.

SPEAKER_07 (11:33):
Jason went to Warner Robbins?
Yeah.
Now that's news to me.
I didn't know that.
Wow.
I believe so.
Yeah, so I'm from Statesboro,Georgia, where Georgia Southern
University is my I I was born inGreenville, North Carolina.
My mom got a job at GeorgiaSouthern University and moved
there when I was two, and I grewup loving country music and
college football, man.
And so uh got an opportunity to,you know, be the starting
quarterback at Statesboro High.

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We went to three state titles inthree years.
Didn't throw the ball a lot,though.
So I was a I was a drug.
Yeah, wishbone.
We ran the wishbone, but we wona lot of games.
And my dad was always gettingcalls from private schools like,
hey, you know, send your sonover here, we'll throw it every
down.
But at Statesboro, they had justwon a state title when I was in
eighth grade, and they, youknow, playing against top-tier

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competition.
So went to two in a row, lostboth of them.
I lost the state title mysophomore year to Marist, who
had a quarterback by the name ofSean McVay, who's just coaching
the Los Angeles Rams right now,had a pretty good career.
Then uh, and then um my junioryear, we lost to Warner Robbins.
We were up at halftime, WarnerRobbins came back and beat us,
and then my senior year,Northside Warner Robbins.

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We got them though in the statetitle.
Nice.
And then you got recruited byMichigan.
Had no plans to go a thousandmiles away from home.

SPEAKER_06 (12:42):
You know, thought I might go to Alabama or I gotta I
gotta hear how you wound up inAnn Arbor.

SPEAKER_07 (12:48):
My dad, uh, we would drive from Statesboro to
Brandon, Mississippi every yearfor Christmas, where my
grandparents lived, and he wouldtake me through the Bear Bryant
Museum and we'd get DreamlandBBQ ribs every year.
He's like, Man, if you went toAlabama, that'd be cool, or Joe
Namath went all the time.
So he called whoever was therecruiting coordinator over
there, like Randy Ross orsomebody, and the guy said, Mr.

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Cohn, I got a lot going on.
I got more important things todo than than watch your son's
film right now or something likethat.
And he's like, Well, what isn'tthat your job kind of?
Okay, but we'll send himsomewhere else, you know.
So I went to a bunch ofdifferent camps growing up
because we didn't throw the balla lot.
So I had to go to camp at Auburnand Florida State and South
Carolina, and so it wasdifferent interests from a lot

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of programs.
Louisville was in the mix too.
But I went to Ann Arbor andCoach Carr was the head coach
then, and he offered me ascholarship on the spot.
I just thought, man, that's athousand miles away from home.
And my mother, who's fromColumbus, Ohio, mind you.
Okay, so what little collegefootball she cared about in the
house growing up was allbuckeyes.
She about leapt through the roofwhen Lloyd Carr offered me a

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scholarship in that room.
But it was a great honor, man.
I mean, to be a part of thewinningest program in college
football history.
I was in the room for BoSchembeckler's final speech on a
Thursday night.
We're playing Michigan,Michigan's playing Ohio that
Saturday, one versus twomatchup, my freshman year.
Bo Schembeckler comes in onThursday night and gives us a
speech.
Doesn't really talk about thegame, just talks about what it

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is to be a Michigan man.
And he didn't talk to the team alot.
So that was an awesomeexperience.
Wake up Friday night, he passedaway.
We play, and and the to theBuckeye's credit, they called
Coach Carr and said, Hey, thisis, you know, we'll we we'll
push the game back, likewhatever we have to do.
This is a big moment in thisrivalry.
And Coach Carr said, No, we'recoming to Columbus.

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We go down there and lose bythree in the one versus two
matchup.
They go to the nationalchampionship.
We go to the Rose Bowl, which,hey, not bad to go to the Rose
Bowl.
As a my first time in LosAngeles as a freshman getting
out there, but uh some awesomeexperiences to be a part of that
brotherhood at Michigan.
So I'm very, very grateful thatI was able to play college
football.

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That's awesome.
Did you get any recruiting fromBrady?
Did he you know the uh Tomreally didn't come back when I
was there that much, and therewas all sorts of rumors that he,
you know, based off how hiscareer went at Michigan, that he
wasn't didn't get along thatwell with the current coaching
staff or whatever.
I don't know what truth there isto that.
I know he's been back since, buthe didn't come back a lot.

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But my quarterback coach, ScottLeffler at the time was really
close with Tom Brady becausethey played together.
So he was always, you know,holding us to a very high
standard with Brady, who waswinning Super Bowls by that
time, you know, and showing ushis showing us his tape on how
he progressed throughout hiscareer and things that we needed
to do.
So again, another example ofjust like being thrown into this

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awesome brotherhood with some ofthe best football players in the
world.

SPEAKER_05 (15:44):
So who who were the other was it like the Chad
Henney or Ryan Mallett?
Was it that era that you had?

SPEAKER_07 (15:51):
Two years older than me, Ryan was a year behind me.
So uh you know, I sat behindChad Henney for two years, and
just to show you what sort oflevels there is to this, because
there was a time when I thoughtI was pretty good, you know,
winning state championships, andyou go and you're watching Chad
Henney play, and I'm like, man,he's the best I ever played
with.
And then he goes to be PatrickMahomes' backup for two Super
Bowls, right?

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And that's that's the best heplayed with.
And so and Chad's been on ourshow over at Crane and Company,
and we and we've talked aboutthis and how the game has
evolved and players playing morein space and all those sorts of
things, but man, he was anincredible player.
That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 (16:24):
Yeah, so it's gotta be crazy to watch the evolution
of the quarterback position.
Right?
I mean, from from what you know,I I like you know, the Tom
Brady, the Dan Marino type QBs.
The old prototypical if I wasdrafted a QB, tall it'd be David
Cohn.

SPEAKER_05 (16:43):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (16:44):
You know, how do you feel what is that like?
Or it feels like every team, andI'm not talking NFL now, like it
seems like they're reallywanting the the Jaden Daniels
type QBs, and he's uh he'sgreat.
Yeah, I can hurt you running, oryou know.
This is where I wanted thisconversation to go.
But what is this fair?
What is your take on that?
Like, like as far as like okay,like a Lamar Jackson killer

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athlete, he's gotten a lotbetter at throwing the ball.
Right?
Is it is it weird taking thoserisks with him running as much
as they do like it just takes ittakes more you're gonna get hurt
and turn you into a pocketpasser overnight.
You know what I mean?
But but it it seems like Lamarhas gotten grown into that role
of like when he first came in, Ifeel like he was like run first,

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not super accurate, and now he'svery dangerous.

SPEAKER_05 (17:33):
Well, but the people like and obviously I want
David's opinion, but like JustinFields and those guys, it's like
they want those guys to haveboth of it when they're really
just good athletes.
Sure, sure.

SPEAKER_07 (17:44):
Uh well everything that you're describing about a
prototypical passing quarterbackis the reason that my father at
a young age identified that Iwas gonna be tall and and wanted
to push me into sports, maybethis would be a position that I
could excel at.
And luckily, I just there wasnothing that was gonna keep me
off of a football field.
I was obsessed with it.
And I was getting recruited at atime when guys like Scott
Leffler at Michigan wanted tohave a prototypical drop back

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passer.
Now, when I was a junior, RichRodriguez comes in and runs a
completely different system,which pretty much guaranteed I
was not gonna be the startingquarterback.
And I thought about transferringout, and you know, at the end of
the day, I wanted to stay andget my Michigan degree and
thought if you stay at Michigan,you can play in the NFL if
you're good enough.
And if you don't make it to theNFL, it will be because you're

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not good enough, which wasultimately the reason that I
didn't play in the league.
And and that was tough too.
That's a tough that's tough fora lot of young men whose
identity is so tied to playingthe game.
But to your question, yeah, it'sanytime you have an extra skill
set to bring to the table in anathletic sport, that helps.
And you can put defenses in abind with your athletic ability.
Now, Dan Marino and Tom Brady,very slow, you know, by football

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standards, but were great in thepocket, right?
And could avoid sacks andmaneuver in the pocket and all
those sorts of things.
Tom always seemed to find thatnooks and crannies step up and
which is a different way thansay Ben Rothlisberger did it,
right?
Ben Rothlisberger and CamNewton, so much bigger than
everyone, you just can't bringthem down with an arm tackle if
you're getting halfway blocked,right?

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And they can escape the pocketin different ways.
Lamar Jackson and Jaden Danielsare such great comps for each
other because they're so elusiveand can really hurt you on the
ground.
And if if there's, you know,even an inch of space,
especially against man coverage,you're able to escape the pocket
because defenders' backs areturned in a way and zone
coverage they're not, right?
So those guys' ability torecognize those coverages and

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pick their moments and picktheir spots on when to run is
key.
But there's a couple pillars.
It just it doesn't matter ifyou're if you're fast or if
you're slow or if you're just apocket passer, whatever.
There's a couple pillars aboutthe position that will never
change.
One is you still have to be agreat leader.
You have to be a leader of menout there on a field because
they're all looking to you toknow exactly what to do.
Two is you still have to beaccurate with the football.

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And like you said, I mean, I'mwatching Lamar Jackson make
throws.
I just I can't believe it.
If if he were if he ran a 5-4,he would still be a quarterback
in the NFL because he'sdelivering the football so
effectively through the air.
And then third, like makinggreat decisions.
And that's what that's why TomBrady was killing you, knowing
what you were going to do beforeyou did it.
I actually heard somethingrecently last week about Phillip

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Rivers.
I hope this is true.
I'd like to ask Philip Riversabout it next time I see it.
He said he pointed at a defenderacross from at linebacker and
said, You're lined up wrong forthe blitz that you're about to
try and bring.
He's saying, hey, you're linedup wrong.

SPEAKER_05 (20:37):
Apparently, all the time he would do that.

SPEAKER_07 (20:39):
He is from Alabama, right?
I think he was from Alabama.
I didn't know that.
I don't know.
And he said he didn't know that.
I think he was from Alabama.

SPEAKER_06 (20:46):
Do you think Peyton Manning's overrated?
Well what and and on that, Iwant to say Neil Brooklyn.

SPEAKER_04 (20:53):
As a singer in Chicken Parm, you'd be able to
do that.
It's an ongoing battle.
So do you think Peyton Manningis in the top ten QBs of all
time?
Yes.
Yes.
Thank you.
Top three.

SPEAKER_08 (21:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (21:03):
Top Man.
But not number one.
If I could drop this mic, Iwould have just attached the
table.
Tell me B at number one.
We had a little bit of a bigthing.

SPEAKER_07 (21:12):
Everybody agrees at that.

SPEAKER_03 (21:13):
Go ahead.
Go ahead, Tully.
Manning?
Yeah.
He's in the top ten, but not intop five.

SPEAKER_07 (21:17):
Tully says he's overrated.
You're between six and ten.

SPEAKER_03 (21:20):
Yeah, I'm between six and ten.
And I'll clarify what I said.
What I said was when you askanybody who's one of the best
quarterbacks ever, theyautomatically say, almost before
Tom, it's almost like PeytonManning.
Peyton's fine.
He's top ten.
I gave you that.
He's not top five.
All the QBs in the world sincethe beginning.

SPEAKER_07 (21:41):
He also played for Tennessee.
Hey, talking about there'slevels to this, right?
I thought I was pretty good atone point.
Peyton's fine.
Peyton's fine.
It's fine.
It's fine.
Sometimes I just have to remindmyself, particularly that in an
era where, like I said, man,guys who tie their identity to
the sport and then have thislifelong dream and then don't
make it like, well, wait, whatam I going to do now?
Like it hurts, man.

SPEAKER_06 (22:02):
I was the only, I guarantee you, I was the only
Alabama fan when Jalen Hurts wasplaying at Bama.
I was the only guy in the statethat said he's going to be great
in the NFL.
And I said it and I stuck to it.
And but nobody believed itbecause he was a great actor.

SPEAKER_05 (22:17):
Or why did you say that?

SPEAKER_06 (22:19):
He's well, he was you could see him.

SPEAKER_05 (22:21):
Because he wasn't a great passer, though.

SPEAKER_06 (22:22):
Well, you could see him developing as a and he you
could also tell that he wantedto learn.
And he's an extremelyintelligent individual.
And I said, he's gonna he'sgonna develop into a great NFL
quarterback.
You just watch.
My brother didn't believe me,nobody believed me.
And I said, he's gonna happen.
MVP.

SPEAKER_07 (22:42):
I didn't think he'd be a great NFL player, not at
the quarterback position.
And I thought Tua was one of thebest I'd ever seen.
The way Tua delivered thefootball through the air.
Um, but everything you'retalking about, all those
leadership skills, and again,and I talk about this with my
father-in-law Richard all thetime because he's so hard on
himself for not having won aSuper Bowl.
And he said Joe got that SuperBowl in Super Bowl three, and

(23:02):
he's like, I'm nothing because Ididn't get a Super Bowl.
It's so funny to to we wererattling off Alabama quarterback
names just this week on our showand asking where you'd put Ty
Simpson with, you know, Tua andMac Jones and Jalen Hurts and
all these guys.
Bryce Young, who actually wonthe Heisman at the position.
And, you know, uh with uh withJalen Hurts to have not just won

(23:23):
the Super Bowl, but to be theMVP in a Super Bowl where he
played better in the one helost.
Like that's what's sointeresting about that game is
like he played better in theSuper Bowl he lost, but it was
the one that he won that isgonna set him up forever that
he's a Super Bowl champion.

SPEAKER_05 (23:38):
We got so much to get to.
Sorry, but you mentioned TySimpson and that it's I just
gotta know.
Is he number one or is itMendoza that's going number one?
Who's who's your guy?
For Heisman right this second?
No, number one pick for NFLdrops.

SPEAKER_07 (23:52):
Well, I tell you what, man, the way that uh the
way that Ty Simpson isdelivering the football, again,
through the air with theprecision, and he's using this
RPO run pass option game in away that's just really cool to
me.
And they don't run it well.
Like Alabama's not horriblerunning it.
Like if they were ru if theywere running it for 220 a clip
every single time.
And it's so on Alabama like.
You know, now he does have greatreceivers, right?

(24:14):
And he has great athletes, butI've been so impressed with what
he's been doing, and he's acoach's son, and and he's got
good coaches too.
I got to give a shout out to myformer uh roommate at Michigan,
Nick Sheridan, who was theoffensive coordinator a year
ago, quarterback coach now.
Like he he's getting some greattutelage over there, and uh I
wish nothing but the best forthe kid.

SPEAKER_03 (24:32):
Nice.
There's no justice though whenwe talk about Dan Marino.
Dan Marino.
Same number of rings as I have.
Yeah.
And me.

SPEAKER_05 (24:42):
Oh, I love Dan.
It hurts my heart.

SPEAKER_03 (24:44):
And then but Eli and Nick Foles are running around
with rings.
That's right.

SPEAKER_07 (24:51):
Man, it's a team sport, man.
You know, it's a team sport, andthere's a a team component to it
for sure.

SPEAKER_04 (24:58):
Well, and David, you're talking about like the
the players that they haveeverything wound up in being an
athlete.
And like when you were incollege and you're in you're
playing at Michigan, were youstill serious about school?
Were you thinking like beyondthat, like, hey, I'm gonna do
this, I'm gonna keep pursuingit, or were you actively going
to classes doing your studies,or was somebody doing your
homework for you?

SPEAKER_07 (25:18):
Well the cameras are the cameras on?
Well, they say, you know, wealways heard, hey, school is
first and football is second.
It was a big visual of thecameras in the world.
I'm gonna use it.
I like that.
I'm gonna use anything likethat.
Honestly, uh it I I playingfootball at Michigan at 18 years
old was the hardest thing I'dever done in my life.

(25:38):
And going to school at theUniversity of Michigan was the
And I was doing both of them atthe same time.
And it's just like, especiallyat as a freshman, I'm drowning.
I'm drowning trying to learnspeed break Detroit right side
300 box Y stick H through or 54Xslush.
And there's 80 of those.
There's 80 of those to know.
And oh, by the way, be on class,don't be late, blah, blah, blah.

(26:01):
And yeah, some stars on the teamcan get their papers written for
them and they can check out, andyou know, but but you got to be
in class.
And and again, I I just I didthe best I could.
I did the best I could, not tosay that I took necessarily the
hardest curriculum.
I had I had teammates of minewho were doing that and going to
business school at the same timeor pre-med.
And again, they were just theywere really bright guys, but I

(26:22):
did the best that I could and umagain fell short of going to the
NFL.
But that whole experience helpedmake me a man and helped prepare
me for the adversity of lifethat was that just comes later
as you get older.
I would have drafted you.

SPEAKER_03 (26:36):
You fit right in my mold, man.
Right in your page.
You should buy a team.

SPEAKER_04 (26:43):
I'm really thinking about it.
We're just waiting on thispodcast to take off.
Yeah.
And then we're gonna that's notthe first thing we're gonna buy.
The song took off, man.
I'm chipping away.

SPEAKER_06 (26:53):
Thanks.
What happened there?
It's still going, it's stillrocking.

SPEAKER_04 (26:58):
Yeah, they yeah, they played that at the uh
Aldean and you guys played atthe Patriot Awards just last
week.
Just a few days ago, which wasfantastic.
Just watching that soundedamazing, and just it's very
surreal, you know, just for us,you know, just sitting home and
you're just watching it, andyou're like, and it's and it's
honoring Charlie Kirk, you know,a great great man, and everybody
was devastated by or you know,all of us were devastated by

(27:20):
that for sure.
That one hurt millions ofothers.
And I read an article that youwrote about that.
You read that article?
Thank you, man.
It was really really cool toexpand on that.

SPEAKER_07 (27:28):
Well, I just felt compelled to just comment on a
moment in time.
And we you know, we c weconcentrate on sports over there
mostly at the Daily Wire, butwhen something like that happens
that just transcends, I mean,everyone was affected by that.
And I just said like I I didn'tknow Charlie Kirk personally,
and not only that, but I wasn'teven particularly influenced by
his ideology.

(27:49):
He was slightly younger than me,in a way that, say, like Jordan
Peterson or even Ben, whobrought us over to the Daily
Wire, was a much bigger uhinfluence on me.
But just to know that for thatbrief moment, like evil had
triumphed was the thing thatsort of hit me.
Because, you know, if if thenews came across that he had
died in a car accident or from ayou know terminal illness or

(28:09):
something, that would have beenan absolute shame and his family
would have still been withouthim.
But it wouldn't have hit me inthe same way to know that like
evil in that moment had hadreally won.
So I just felt the need to writethat article that you're talking
about.

SPEAKER_04 (28:22):
It was really great.
And I I picked up the the quoteyou had in there, which I I
thought was great and true as uhyou said the number of Charlie
Kirks this action created isbeyond measure.
Yeah, I hope that's true.
You see all this turning point,you know, there's still there's
people are out, they can't evenget in, you know, to and all
these young people that havebeen changed and uh and changing

(28:44):
their direction of their liveseven though he's gone.

SPEAKER_07 (28:46):
Yeah, and I think you could see that locally.
We had a vigil down in ThompsonStation, and they at one point
they were like we had no ideathis many people were gonna come
out, and that was just one ofseveral in the area.
Like Franklin had their own, uhevery Nolansville had their own.
And so again, I I hope that thatstatement is true, and I hope
that people stay on it.
I know I read some articles thatchurch attendance has

(29:07):
skyrocketed, you know.
Obviously, that's gonna comedown, right?
Like that's a moment in time,but hopefully there are
individuals who were so impactedby that that that that change in
them lasts a lifetime.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (29:19):
I think God knew what he was doing taking Charlie
because I think he was such apowerful voice, but also when he
called Charlie home, it it'sexposed some things that I think
needed to be like the the thedarkness of people celebrating
his death.
And to this day they're you knowstill celebrating some on the

(29:42):
left are you know celebratinghis death, which is hard to see.
But I think it had to raiseawareness to the separation
between the good and the bad toan extent, you know.
And I think I think that's itit's hard to look at it.
I think people needed to knowthat uh you know somebody's out
there trying to do good.
And then people to see it today,even on videos like mocking it,

(30:07):
is really hard to look at.

SPEAKER_07 (30:09):
Well, now that it's happened and it's in the past,
whether or not Charlie Kirkbecomes a martyr is on us.
We're the ones who control that.
We're the ones who can martyrizehim and martyrize that message.
And uh again, I d just did whatlittle part that I could writing
an article or speaking about itnow.
I mean, it the the part thathurts the most is no.

(30:29):
Knowing that his kids, because Ihave three small children right
now, knowing that they'll neverget to hear his message
personally.
I mean, they can listen to everypodcast he's ever done, but
you're not going to know yourfather.
Like that hits hard and thathurts.
So it's our job to make surethat his message is martyrized.

SPEAKER_03 (30:45):
And and the Patriot Awards, that was a great thing.
Yeah, tell us a little bit aboutthat.
Oh, because we didn't have atalk to essentially.
Obviously, that room is a greatroom to be in.
You know.
But it was really neat.

SPEAKER_05 (30:59):
It was awesome.
And like, you know, I watched itlast year, and I was kind of
like, oh Patriot Awards, youknow.
But this year definitely hitdifferent with Charlie.
And then you know, just as theysingled all those people out
there, we were backstage, we gotto meet those guys that they
were honoring.
It was it was it was humbling.

SPEAKER_03 (31:20):
It was so humbling.
It felt like a celebrationbefore Charlie.
It felt yeah, it felt biggerthan just uh maybe like a usual,
right?
One really funny thing happened.
So we were we played like twosongs, and we're before we play
the second song, our productionmanager comes up and goes, hey

(31:40):
guys, after you play the secondsong, don't leave your stools.
Just sit in your stools andthey're gonna play a video.
Don't you know, don't move,don't move.
So we play the second song andwe finish it and we're sitting
there.
And then Hannity comes out andhe's like, You can tell he's
like confused.
He's like, Well, when are theseguys gonna leave?

SPEAKER_05 (32:02):
He's asking us, like, do you guys want to play
another one?
He literally comes over on themic, yeah, and says, Are you
guys gonna play another song?
And we're looking around, we'retold not to move.

SPEAKER_03 (32:11):
Don't ever trust a production manager, is the point
of the story.
We just sat there like Hannity'slike, okay, guys, these guys
won't get off the stage.
I don't know what to do.

SPEAKER_05 (32:21):
Did y'all exit the stage?
Yeah, and we're walking behindthe in the camera shop.

SPEAKER_07 (32:28):
At that point, you just gotta make it as awkward as
possible.

SPEAKER_02 (32:31):
They start blinking the lights on and off.

SPEAKER_03 (32:33):
Although he's looking at me like I said, damn,
I don't know.
We were told to stay here likeidiots we sit there.

SPEAKER_04 (32:38):
That's funny.

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He comes out, he's a fan, he's agreat guy.

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SPEAKER_06 (34:04):
I want to know about y'all's podcast.
I want to hear more about that.

SPEAKER_07 (34:07):
Training company?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, look, we just put out anAlabama-Oklahoma preview
yesterday, which I think youshould check out.
Oh, I haven't seen that one.
I think you should check thatout.
That's going to be a good onebecause the defense is legit.
They are legit, and uh it was areally impressive win at
Tennessee.
Obviously, the Red River loss, Imean three interceptions, you
know.
Texas trying to their best tohang in this thing, you know.

(34:28):
But again, just talking aboutcollege football, with with my
experience having played thegame, and my two co-hosts Jake
and Blaine Crane, their fatherwas an all-American linebacker
at Auburn.

SPEAKER_05 (34:37):
So they didn't play, but their family was an
all-American linebacker uh atAuburn.

SPEAKER_07 (34:43):
Jake played baseball at South Alabama and then
coached college football.
Blaine was a wide receiver, Ithink, at Western Colorado, and
then also coached, and they hadsome time where they overlapped.
And again, look, when I got doneplaying football at the
University of Michigan, I movedback to Georgia in Atlanta,
which is my home state, butstill three and a half hours
from Statesboro where I'm from,and I got into video production

(35:05):
and writing songs, and that'swhat I was focused on.
And a lot of sports companiesreally liked my football playing
career because I was able tonavigate sets and direct actors
and you know run productions andsuch.
So 11 years I was producingvideos and I met these brothers,
and you know, Jake, when COVIDhit, they were told, Hey, you
can't come back and coach rightnow.

(35:25):
We don't know what's going on,we got to figure this whole
thing out.
And so uh I got introduced tothem through a marketing
executive.
Hey, they got this collegefootball podcast that they're
starting in their free time fromfrom coaching football.
You played college football,you're a video producer, they
want to be on video, you guysshould meet.
Well, it was a lot like a band,to be honest, and the way that

(35:46):
it just came togetherauthentically and it was
organic.
And not too long after I startedproducing their show for him,
Colin Cowherd called from thevolume, and we were like the SEC
football show for Colin's newventure, the volume.
That's awesome.
And then within like threemonths of that, man, Ben called
himself.
Uh Ben Shapiro called and said,I I love y'all show.
We want a sport show at theDaily Wire.

(36:06):
Would you consider moving toNashville?
And as someone who already, youknow, was writing songs and who
wanted to move here for a longtime anyway, and more
importantly, wanted to getinvolved in the culture fight
and and and you know defendwhat's going on in our society,
I jumped at the opportunity andwe've been here for four years.

SPEAKER_04 (36:25):
What was the the jump?
Because you you were producingvideos and stuff like that
initially for those guys, right?
For train and did they and uhhow did you become a part of it
and not just producing anddirecting and shooting and stuff
like that?

SPEAKER_07 (36:37):
Because we needed to be live.
So honestly, like really whatchanged the whole trajectory of
my career was going from tape toneeding to be live because uh I
had multiple clients at thattime that I was producing videos
for.
And again, I had just gottenmarried, just bought my first
house.
COVID hit three months after Igot married.
Oh wow.
I thought, man, I'm gonna gobankrupt three months into like

(36:58):
what is going on here.
Luckily, I picked up somemedical clients that year, and I
did pretty well and was doinggood with video production
clients.
Uh, but when I met these guys, Ithought, okay, I can produce um
their show a couple hours aweek, right?
It was interview-based,pre-recorded, drop it on
YouTube.
But Colin wanted us to be a liveshow, live every day, which

(37:18):
means I need to be there inperson.
And Jake would talk to me andask me questions, and I needed
to have like a camera to be ableto talk back to him and to
answer while I'm technicallydirecting everything, kind of
like what's going on.
Don't give Jim any ideas.
Yeah, don't give Jim any ideas.
Jim's over there and they'relike, yes, keep talking, keep
talking, Dave.
It helped that Michigan was goodat football.
Like Jim Harbaugh was making thecollege football playoff that

(37:41):
year for the first time.
And so, again, talking about theband experiences, it would be
kind of like if uh if a personhad written a song, they wanted
to sing a song, and they neededsomeone to produce it, but then
the producer had to play everyinstrument, and you needed to go
do a live show, and one of theproducer got to play one of the
instruments.
That's kind of like how itstarted.
And again, with having played atthe University of Michigan, and

(38:01):
Michigan made three collegefootball playoffs in a row, um,
it just it kind of all fell intoplace, and I think we got a good
dynamic going now.

SPEAKER_05 (38:09):
That's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 (38:09):
It is really cool.

SPEAKER_06 (38:11):
I was checking it out, it's really good.

SPEAKER_05 (38:13):
Thank you, man.
Yeah, thank you.
Excellent.
And of course, you you'vementioned it a couple times, and
I hate that we've waited thislong to get to it, but let's get
to the the music stuff.
Um We don't know anything aboutthat.
No.
But see, the thing is, it's likewe're all sports geeks, so we
love talking sports, but umobviously music is our home
base.
Yeah.
Uh tell us a little bit uh aboutrichest man in town, the richest

(38:34):
man in town, which I don't knowif you guys listened to it.
You see the way he hooked it?
Yeah, it's pretty good.
Um did you write it by yourself?

SPEAKER_07 (38:41):
I did.
I wrote every song on there bymyself.
Dude.
Uh huh.
Yeah.
Greedy.
Which I mean, again, and uh Iactually this is what I was
telling you earlier.
I have my first write scheduledthis week with Michael Delaney,
who said to tell you how to doit.
Oh, and then I'm gonna go to thehouse.
We got this right scheduled thisweek, um, which I'm really

(39:02):
excited about, and it was anhour after we scheduled that
that uh Renee here from theDaily Wire of PR uh said you're
going on try that in a smalltown podcast the same week.
So uh a big week from the Shetold you you were coming on
here, or did she ask you to comeon?
No, she said you're going.
Thank you very much.
She's the best.
She's the best.

(39:23):
But uh anyway, like I said, I Ium I mean just going all the way
back from music for me, therewas always great music on in my
house.
My parents, there were threemain pillars for us, which was
classic country.
So Hank Sr., Hank Jr., Wayland,Marty Robbins, you know, even
Dolly Parton, Tammy Wynette onthe female side.
There was traditional rock androll, so a lot of Elvis Presley,
Everly Brothers, Chuck Berry,Buddy Holly.

(39:45):
And then there was a big folkelement too.
My dad really loved Peter Pauland Mary and Bob Dylan and
Gordon Lightfoot, that kind ofstuff.
So that was sort of myupbringing from a musical
standpoint.
And then when it got to footballin high school and college, it
was all hip hop all the time.
I mean, you're at practice andgames, and you know, uh, and and
so it was, and honestly, that'swhere I started writing music

(40:06):
because the lyrics to that wereeasier.
You I didn't have to play aninstrument, you got beats and
instrumentals and stuff.
Um, and uh, and then you know,the red hot chili peppers were
kind of a band that was kind ofa bridge because I'll tell you
this, when I when I was playingfootball at Michigan, they had a
huge speaker on the golf cart tosimulate away game noise, right?
And we're running a third downdrill and they're blaring can't

(40:28):
stop over the speakers.
And I went back and asked them,who what is that song?
They're like, oh, this is redhot chili peppers.
I'm like, mm, that sounds prettygood, you know.
And uh next day, the same thing.
We're got a third down drill.
I'm trying to concentrate.
They start blaring snow over thespeakers.
Who is this band?
They said, Oh, this is a red hotchili peppers.
I'm like, well, I mean, I gottalisten to them at this point.
And John Mayer had just come outwith continuum at that time, and

(40:50):
uh this was around the time whenI was like, okay, you're not
gonna play in the NFL.
So I started teaching myself howto play guitar off YouTube, and
John Frushante and John Mayerwere some huge influences, and
then I got into their influencesof Stevie Ray Vaughn and Hendrix
and Clapton and all this.
It didn't take too long until Irealized, like, okay, you're not
gonna be as good of a guitarplayer as these guys, but I got
to use the instrument for what Ireally wanted to do, which was

(41:12):
write songs.
And there were some criticalsongs at that period, like uh
Laughed Until We Cried.
I mean, I remember hearing thatsong.
Hold on.
Oh, wait a minute.
Are you just buttering?

SPEAKER_02 (41:23):
Are you buttering up to Caleb?
That's enough.
He wrote Caleb.

SPEAKER_07 (41:26):
Okay, dude, laughs.
I'm telling I'm telling you, Ididn't, and uh that was one I
didn't even know you were.
Hold on, cancel the ship.

SPEAKER_02 (41:32):
Never mind.

SPEAKER_07 (41:36):
Laugh ship so quickly.

SPEAKER_04 (41:37):
Okay.
Laugh until we're gonna be.

SPEAKER_07 (41:40):
Laugh until we cried.
I was like, man, that's but uhThere Goes My Life.
Yeah was another one.
Oh yeah.
I'm like they they would fallinto a category that I have,
which I call I Wish I WroteThem.
You know, and just like man, youcan tell a story that great.
And so those were a couple songsearly on that uh that I just
really kind of got me back intothe country music, southern rock

(42:01):
type vibe, credence.
Eagles wasn't an influencegrowing up in our household, but
I found the Eagles later.
And so that whole sound kind ofwhen I moved to Nashville, uh,
and I wanted to be on record forwhat I think our country needs
and what's wrong in our country.
And so I that's why I wrote JustWhat America Needs and America
Made and Get Off My Lawn andsome of those songs.
So anyway, a bunch of new s abunch of new material that I

(42:23):
wrote when I was here, went backand rewrote some material from
Atlanta that either wasn'tfinished or some ideas like
that.
And I met Kent Wells, DollyParton's producer, and he he
took a chance on me and saidyes, which he's like, hey, I
want to I want to produce someof this material.
And um, in a town and in anindustry where you hear no so
much, it felt really good tolike hear yes and to work with

(42:43):
him.
And so cutting that album, I gotto work with some of the best
session guys in the world whoyou guys probably hang out with
all the time.
But just being a part of thatprocess and hearing them play on
songs that I had written was uhit was it was a real honor, and
I I hope people are enjoying themusic in some way or another.

SPEAKER_04 (43:00):
What what's your strength in the writing room?
Like is it is it ideas, is itlyric, melody?
Triple thrill.

SPEAKER_07 (43:07):
Have you ever coded?
You listen and you tell me ifthere are any strength.

SPEAKER_04 (43:10):
I haven't listened to the music piece yet.

SPEAKER_07 (43:12):
I'd like to know uh you know what you guys think,
but uh richest man in town is anexample of a song that I'm
leaving Daily Wire Studios,driving home, probably right
here, probably right by CoolSprings is when and I you know
you got these internalmonologues, you know, and one
hit me, richest man in town, andI thought all all the way home,
I thought, okay, I want to listeverything in this song that

(43:33):
makes me rich that has nothingto do with money, right?
And it all started with my wife.
I mean, she's I mean, she'sincredible, and we got three
babies, and just that whole songbegan to take sh take shape, and
I knocked that out over thecourse of that weekend, and that
ended up becoming like the leadsingle off of what you know the
title or the the title.
Yeah, it's like how does he setit up?

(43:53):
It's like not counting the moneyon the original.
If you don't count the money,I'm gonna double.
Um, which I I got had anopportunity to play that for um
for Jeffree Steele with uh uhbring your own guitar.
I went over there and uh thatwas cool too, being able to play
that for him.
I think he liked that song aswell.
But yeah, I'd love to know whaty'all's feature is.
Yeah, I want to dig in andlisten to it.

(44:14):
Yeah.
Oh excellent.
Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 (44:16):
Laugh to be crowded.
Always makes an appearance.
You didn't know.
Somehow.
Did you need somehow you changedit?

SPEAKER_07 (44:21):
Which I'm kinda which I'm which I'm a little bit
um which I'm a little bitashamed of because I did.
I wanted to look up like all thethe songs that you guys had
written before I came in.
I don't know how I missed thatone.

SPEAKER_04 (44:31):
Well, but we're even because I haven't listened to
your music yet.
So but I'm going to, but I'm I'mintrigued.
I want to listen to it now.
Um now who did you write LaughedUntil I Cried With?
Uh is Ashley Gorley.
He's he's a decent uh he he mayhave contributed some uh to that
to that word.
But anyway, um No, I'm kidding.
He's he's the you know thebiggest, most successful

(44:53):
songwriter of all time.

SPEAKER_07 (44:55):
I'll tell you what, I love that.
I love that song.
Uh There Goes My Life, like Isaid.
Um I'll tell you what, um, SheAin't Right, man.
That's a great song.

SPEAKER_06 (45:03):
Yeah, we were just much too early with Lee Bryce on
that one.
What do you mean?
It should have been a hit, andit almost was.
Okay.
But like right after thatsingle, he blew up.
Gotcha.
I love that song, man.
I really do.
I do too.
I didn't make any money on it.
So No?

SPEAKER_07 (45:21):
None?
How's that possible?
I listened to it 20 times on theway here.
Yeah, but you probably listen toit Spotify as somebody else.
You get a penny.
Half a penny.
Half a penny.
It's it's it's rough.
It's only gonna get worse withartificial intelligence and all
that, but anyway.
Oh yeah, we've been therebefore.
It's a dark time.

SPEAKER_03 (45:39):
So who's your like as far as country goes, like,
who's some of your favorites?
Like your artists that you youknow either grew up really
liking or or like now.
Who's sticking out?

SPEAKER_07 (45:51):
There's so many, man.
I love Hank Williams Jr.
I just love the way he writessongs, I love the way he plays.
And there's a I mean, talk abouttry that in a small town.
There was an element of himgoing way back.
Merle Haggard, too, not afraidto say anything.
I really love Merle and WaylonJennings.
Haggart's your favorite?
What's your favorite song?

SPEAKER_03 (46:07):
No, he's my favorite voice.
Okay.
He's definitely my favoritevoice.
I still think I still thinkWhalen is underappreciated in
all of it.
You think so?
I still, you know, he's one ofmy favorites, like classic guys,
and I and I still feel like ifyou're, you know, he's still
people love him, but I stillfeel like he's uh the one that
gets the least amount ofrecognition out of that, out of
those outlaw crew.

(46:28):
You know what I mean?
Uh I just love it.

SPEAKER_07 (46:30):
Not in our household, man.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (46:33):
Because Lonesome Monreal Mean and that stuff, you
you it's just that was so tough.
I remember thinking when I wasyounger, listening to that.
It was tough sounded music.
It was tough.
It it got it got you going.
I just I I really love Whalenfor that.

SPEAKER_07 (46:47):
And my dad had me listening to Buddy Holly at a
young age too.
And knowing that Whalen did playguitar, you know, for Buddy and
the whole day the music died,not being on the plane crash and
all that kind of stuff, justkind of added to the aura, I
think, of Whalen in ourhousehold too.

SPEAKER_03 (47:01):
Buddy Holly was one of my first We just talking
about it coming home the otherday on the plane, talking about
Aldean.
You know, used to play thosesongs, like all those songs.
Like I'm a huge Buddy Holly fan.
Yeah, yeah.
Just great music.
And I think about what he didand I remember uh and he died so
young.
Yeah.
And I remember playing inLubbock, the first time we ever

(47:22):
played Lubbock.
The arena is like literallyright across the street from the
Buddy Holly Museum.
I remember like running off thebus and going right to that
museum and just being like, wow,this is you know, the songs are
still amazing.

SPEAKER_06 (47:35):
And the way he was playing guitar, you remember
when this was the 50s, it's islike man, your knowledge of
music history is prettyimpressive.

SPEAKER_07 (47:43):
Pretty impressive because you're not that old.
No, but uh that all comes frommy my family and my dad.
My dad just loved it.

SPEAKER_06 (47:49):
You care, you can tell that you care and you dig.

SPEAKER_07 (47:52):
I mean, he had me listening to Hank Sr.
and Marty Robbins at a veryyoung age, Elvis.
He was taking us to Ever Everly,I he was taking our whole family
to Everly Brothers shows growingup.
And this was really the tail endof their career.
But we're I mean, I'm in uhMulenburg County, Kentucky,
going to see the EverlyBrothers, which Whalen I think
was supposed to play that showand couldn't.
It was and my dad said I nevergot to see Whalen because he was

(48:14):
sick that trip.
But yeah, no, I love that music.
And then on the contemporaryside, I mean, Zach Brown has
been a big influence.
I I I really enjoy the way thatthey write songs and the
harmonies that they sing with,and so a number of influences.

SPEAKER_03 (48:27):
It's awesome that you we talk about this a lot in
the show that it seems like alot of young artists today,
young or new artists, don'treally have an appreciation for
what and who came before that.
Songwriter rise, whydisappointing?
But you seem to have a reallygood uh knowledge and
appreciation for it, which isreally refreshing because I

(48:47):
don't think that's really thecase.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And just and and the influencesthat you're drawing from.
It's you know, we talk about ita lot, how the young artists
today just won't name names.
Oh, we can name them.
I have I will name names.

SPEAKER_04 (49:04):
I have recently, I know we do talk about a lot of
people that we young artiststhat we write with that like
usually I'll I'll Googlesomebody, like if I'm writing
with somebody the next day, andI don't know the their name, I
Google it and say, see what arethey doing, and and I just have
some sort of idea.
And a lot of times you yourealize in the first few minutes
that they haven't done the same.

unknown (49:21):
You know.

SPEAKER_08 (49:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (49:21):
They're like I don't know what this old guy, why
why'd he move to town?
You know, I mean but but thelately life had two two back to
back new artists that hadn'tbeen in town that long and they
had both look stuff up andthey're they're so young, you
know, which makes you feelolder, but they're very
respectful.
Good.
Man, I really love this, this,and this, these this is this is
amazing.

(49:42):
Yeah, so it's just kind of funto hear.

SPEAKER_07 (49:43):
Bringing it back to like how playing quarterback and
playing football sort of likeinfluence me and set me up.
Like that's that sort of stuffis the bare minimum.
Yeah.
I mean, that's the the bare likeimagine walking into a
quarterback meeting and youhaven't prepped for like the
game plan or what you're doing.
I mean, there are physicalconsequences to that.
For like getting yelled at ordoing a bad job, which that
would be bad enough.

(50:04):
Like, there are physicalconsequences, which is why I
think playing that game is soimportant for young men.
But yeah, just not having anappreciation for the industry
that you're gonna be in to me isabsolutely unacceptable.

SPEAKER_06 (50:15):
We come across it all the time.
Do you really?
Oh, yeah.
With people who have such a it'slike a new quarterback going to
the getting drafted first round,and somebody mentions Dan
Marino's name, and he's like,Who?
Who's Dan Marino?
And he doesn't know who DanMarino's.
It's the same equivalent almost.

SPEAKER_03 (50:30):
Well everybody's got those stories too.
I remember talking with um DonMattingly came out this last
year great you know, baseball Imean Mattingley's hit machine,
and he's a coach up there inToronto and they're having a
good year, and I was talking toDon.
I'm like, man, do they just theyoung guys must just eat you up

(50:51):
for information like tipsbecause he's not even the
hitting coach up there, he'slike one of the bench coaches,
you know.
And I'm saying they must go likecrazy on Don Mattingley's every
day.
And he goes, Man, he goes, acouple of them do, but most guys
don't know who I am.
It's amazing and I'm like thatblows how is that possible?
How is that possible?

(51:11):
It doesn't seem possible, butbut we run into it every day
like like young artists.
Yeah, meanwhile, what do you do?

SPEAKER_07 (51:16):
When I was when I was recording uh the richest man
in town album, I'm singingthrough the microphone that
Dolly just got done singingthrough.
So I'm like reminding myself,like, okay, Dolly Parton had the
morning session here at KentWells' studio this morning.
I'm the next person to singthrough this microphone, and
like I don't take that forgranted.
That was such an awesomeopportunity.

(51:36):
I'm reminding myself, oh yeah,one of the first great songs
that my dad introduced me to wasCoat of Many Colors.
You know, like as I'm singingthrough a microphone, and yeah,
I got to record at Blackbird onetime and Stapleton.
I just just recorded likethrough one of those Neumann
microphones or something.
And like that stuff meanssomething to me, you know?
Yeah.
That's really awesome to hearthat, man.

SPEAKER_06 (51:57):
I just I just I'm tickled to death that you know
your history and that you youknow where it started and where
it came from, and and that youcare about it.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (52:05):
That's really cool.
Well, I just love great musicand great songs, and this town
has you know provided that.
And that's why that's why Imeant at the beginning.
Like, you guys have all the workthat y'all have done has been
truly an inspiration, and we'reall standing on the shoulders of
people who came before us tryingto tell great stories.

SPEAKER_06 (52:20):
That's why my back hurts.

SPEAKER_04 (52:23):
I wanted to ask you, uh just because you're kicking
too much.
You're obviously a sharp dudeand and good at a lot of things,
but like you're very quick, youknow, like when you're doing
your your basketball bracket in60 seconds and stuff like that.
It's like stuff you alreadyknow.
You're reading some of it, butsome of it's just just coming
out.
And then the betting stuff thatyou talk about, I've always kind

(52:44):
of wanted to to dabble in thebetting stuff, you know, but I
don't understand it because itit's sold in my head.
So if you were at a bar and youhad this guy who's a who just
kind of a cheeser, you know, andhe's and he he's talking about
betting and how much he knowsand stuff like that, what would
you say to intimidate him?
Wow, like roll off something,right?

(53:06):
All that stuff you roll off isthis, you know, Oregon minus 27
and a half, something like that.
Roll out something that wouldjust blow his mind.

SPEAKER_07 (53:13):
Man, we have to put you together a nice little
parlay this weekend.
Like maybe we just take Alabamamoney line and maybe we take
Georgia minus six and a halfthis weekend uh against Texas.
We parlay those together and uhthings that I should be.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.

SPEAKER_02 (53:29):
Wait a minute.

SPEAKER_07 (53:30):
What was the recording to you by our spot?
Man, but the the gambling stuff,that it's it's uh I just I hope
we don't go down a dark path.

SPEAKER_05 (53:40):
Well how do we not go down a dark path?

SPEAKER_07 (53:42):
You see it right now with the MBA?
I mean these guys are gettingaccused of pitching.
So your your your prop bet underhits?
What allegedly.
Allegedly.
I'm gonna make sure that's agood idea.

SPEAKER_03 (53:54):
We'd be fools that that stuff doesn't happen.
Yeah, but I'm not surprised atall by it in the NBA.
I just feel like the league'sbeen in heading down a terrible
direction for a long time.

SPEAKER_05 (54:03):
See, and the prop bets is where you can't I mean,
it's not just throwing games,the prop bets is the one.

SPEAKER_04 (54:08):
What's a prop?
What's a prop better?

SPEAKER_05 (54:10):
Prop bet is like he's gonna score more than ten
points tonight, or no, no.

SPEAKER_07 (54:12):
An individual an individual player bet, which you
can't do for college football inthe state of Tennessee.
But you know, if you wanted totake we were talking about Ty
Simpson, if you want to say TySimpson will throw over two and
a half touchdowns today.
You have the half there that's ahook, right?
So that you can't tie.
You either throw two or youthrow three, right?
You know, and so you could youcould make that bet, or you
could have rushing yard props.

(54:33):
I mean, there's so I mean youcan bet on the coin flip now.
It's unbelievable.

SPEAKER_06 (54:37):
How many sips a Gatorade will be?

SPEAKER_07 (54:39):
Yeah, what color is the Gatorade that gets thrown on
the coach after a win?
What coloring both I was gonnasay.

SPEAKER_04 (54:44):
Like there were two pitchers, right, that got got
fined because they theydetermined that they were they
threw pitches into the dirtbecause people were betting.
See, like how do you that?

SPEAKER_07 (54:54):
Unacceptable.
You know, that's the shoelessJoe Jackson Black Sox stuff from
back in the day.
Right.
Oh my gosh.
And they're already makingmillions.
See, that's the thing.
I'm talking like the shoelessJoe Jackson.
I was talking about this withBen Shapiro the other day on uh
my show, The Film Room, becausewe were talking about great
baseball movies.
That was that was at an era whenyou're you don't care enough
about the integrity of the gameor your teammates to do the

(55:17):
right thing, but at least theyweren't making millions and
millions of dollars, right?
Yeah, now you don't care enoughabout the integrity of the game
or your teammates or themillions of dollars.
You're making more than doctorsmake, man, but you need to hit
your prop bet under so youremove yourself early from a
game.
Like yeah, again, back to theword of unacceptable.
Maybe that's the word of theday.
I like it.

SPEAKER_03 (55:37):
And then we got and it it even makes you feel worse
for Pete Rose.
Oh stupid.
You know, at least he wasbetting on himself.
Is that proven?
Yeah, I I don't I don't knowPete Rose.
Good question.
You sound like my co-host now,James.

SPEAKER_05 (55:50):
Well, the thing is, he he didn't do it as a player.
No, he didn't do it as a player,and he was if he was betting, it
was on his team to win.
So you're I you're just talkingabout should he be in the Hall
of Fame or not, which we allagree.

SPEAKER_03 (56:02):
I think of course he should be.
Of course he should be.
And it's just heartbreaking thatyou knew they were gonna wait
for him to pass away in someform or another before they let
him.
I mean, you know, you talk aboutit man out, the heel is joking.
He I mean yeah, he's bet onbaseball.
The lifetime ban it prettyharsh.
Pretty harsh.

(56:23):
I still hate it.
I mean, he the guy is theall-time hits leader.
Yeah.
Never I mean, videos of him likesteamrolling catchers in the
all-star game.
The guy you can't argue that heplayed hard.

SPEAKER_07 (56:36):
I'm fine with institutions having a ethical
benchmark beyond just what youdo on the field and them
standing by it for right orwrong or whatever they say that
is.
If they say you can't gamble andplay this sport, and then you do
that, and they say the penaltyfor that is you're never gonna
be in our hall of fame.
We don't care if you had themost home runs or the most hits,

(56:57):
and or you can't inject yourselfwith steroids and you did that.
I'm fine with that.
The problem is then, okay, soafter he dies though, then we're
now we're gonna like go back onour word and now he can be in
the hall of fame.
So I that that part's weird tome.
It just feels like the you knowthis is a whole nother episode.

SPEAKER_06 (57:14):
Yeah, I'm happy to come back to the phone.
I mean, maybe like as a realgambling thing, NIL, all of the
that's a whole that's a wholeepisode.

SPEAKER_05 (57:23):
On your show, do you guys uh is it strictly sports or
you you get into the politics ofsports or in sports?

SPEAKER_07 (57:31):
It's morphed over time and there's been different
segments.
Uh do you talk about the WMBA?
Uh we do very humorously.
You guys do not like it.

SPEAKER_06 (57:42):
That leads me into a lot of things we've talked
about.

SPEAKER_07 (57:44):
I had a segment on the show for a long time called
Get Off My Lawn, where I wouldjust rant about you know the
most uh ludicrous sports thingfrom the week, which led to the
Get Off My Lawn song.
I said if I got a segment GetOff My Lawn, I gotta write a
song Get Off My Lawn, which I'dlike you guys to listen to that
one and tell me what yourthoughts are.
Absolutely.
I already like it.

SPEAKER_03 (58:04):
WMB Get Off My Screen.
Yeah.
I I mean it's a it they're forceforcing us with it.
We can't say enough bad.
We talk a lot about the methodof the thing.
I will tell you this, though,about the highlights.
They are entertaining.
You know, when they're like youknow, the air balls and the
constant layouts.

SPEAKER_05 (58:23):
But my favorite thing is like you go to an
Instagram reel and it's twominutes long, and it's it was
like in the championship game orsomething.
Airball on this one.
They go to the other side,dribbles off her leg, back her
butt, air ball.

SPEAKER_06 (58:36):
It's two minutes of I mean they're gonna pile a lot
of bad stuff to really make itlook bad.

SPEAKER_07 (58:41):
Yeah.
So like we and like we don't goout of our way.
Like we we want to talk aboutsports.
It's it's society's commentaryon it that we feel like we need
to commentate on it, you know,which is why like I feel like
when I was growing up in the 90sand 2000s, if people called
themselves Democrats and peoplewho called themselves
Republicans, they both wantedwhat was best for America.

(59:02):
They just disagreed on what thatwas.
When Donald Trump got elected,and particularly into COVID, I
started to realize there's afaction of this country that
actually doesn't want an Americato exist.
I don't just meanhyperbolically, I mean they they
fundamentally disagree with theconcept of a nation state that
has borders and within thoseborders a people.

(59:24):
Even if those citizens are amelting pot, like America is.
So, like, I just looked at mywife and was like, how much
longer can I go until I have toget involved and use my voice?
And I was running a videoproduction company, I had
clients, a lot of whom may agreewith me, but still not be able
to do business with me if Ivoice that.
It was only a few months afterthat that that's when Ben called
and said, Would you guys move toNashville?

(59:46):
And you don't have to talk aboutanything controversial.
You don't have like to just wewe love your show, and you know,
we felt compelled, like, hey,let's go do this, let's take
this chance.
And when I got here, that's alsowhy I produced songs like Just
What America Needs and AmericanMade, because I wanted to be on
record for what I thought thiscountry needed, which is kind of
very similar to what you guysdid.
We'll try that in a small town.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:08):
Yeah, and I think un I don't know if it's
unfortunately, but you're right,you kind of have to draw your
line in the sand if you believewhat we believe, because you're
gonna you're gonna hate yourselfif you don't.
You have to you have to speakout.
And I think it's it's part ofthe reason why we started the

(01:00:28):
podcast is because We all gotkids too.
And it's like it me you have tobe an example.
I am Charlie Kerr, going back toyour code and that thing.
It's like that's all of us.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:41):
Never, and I don't think our history dramatic about
it.
Has never been a time where it'sbeen more clear what you had
what side you need to be on.
The middle ground's gone.
It feels like it's extremes, youknow.
You can go down the list ofstuff, you know, where it's like

(01:01:02):
it's kinda it's never been moreclear to me it's common sense or
not.
Because a lot of the stuff thatyou know say the other side with
the left, whatever.
It's it's comical.
It's like, guys, this is isn'teven reality.
You know, men in a girl'sbathrooms, come on, what are we
doing?
The border is crazy.
I mean Obama wanted a strongborder, so there's no argument

(01:01:25):
here.
You just want to destroyAmerica.
Yeah.
You don't like the family unit,you know, you d you don't like
borders, you don't like ourcountry.
It's it's to me, it's like it'snot even a dis uh a choice, but
you gotta to your point, yougotta say something because you
know you know, otherwise whatare we doing?

SPEAKER_07 (01:01:42):
Yeah, you know at some point it's kinda like
you're playing a game ofmonopoly and someone just wants
to flip the board over.

unknown (01:01:48):
Right?

SPEAKER_07 (01:01:48):
Like forget trying to win the game.
Why do they want to flip theboard over?
Flip the board over to ruin itfor everyone else.
There's a a level of resentmentthat's that's driving it.
And um yeah, I I think you youyou may have said it on the
episode when you guys talkedabout uh writing the song for
the first time, and you said,Well, there's only one way to
write this concept, and it's togo all in.
And 99% of people in this townwriters wouldn't write it this

(01:02:11):
way.

SPEAKER_06 (01:02:12):
They wouldn't have done it, they wouldn't have
written it.

SPEAKER_07 (01:02:14):
No.
And that's kind of I mean,that's what we're talking about.
Like, if you're if you're goingto voice your opinion, there's
kind of only one way to be allin on some of these subjects.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:23):
Yeah, and and generally, like, I mean, for the
longest time really, and andbefore Aldane, you know, put out
try that in small town, and youhad and you also had people, you
know, you got Charlie Kirk, yougot, you know, Fox News, you got
people that are standing up forthe right and speaking out, but
but the right, and especially ifyou're the Christian right, you
know, is like, oh, let's just benice and get along with

(01:02:44):
everybody and everything will befine.
Well that that that's notworking.
You know, and so so you havepeople that actually have the
strength to come out and say,you know what, I'm not gonna let
this country I'm not gonna I'mgonna fight for it.
I'm just gonna let it happen.

SPEAKER_07 (01:02:57):
And you know, so that's why I was so proud about
the response from the death ofCharlie Kirby.
Watching Christians just say,like, this hurts really, really
badly.
But you know what we're gonnado?
Instead of going back to thelocal town and tearing it down
or destroying it, let's gettogether in our communities for
candlelight vigils.
Let's go to church on Sundaymorning, let's see if we can get

(01:03:17):
someone in church who wasn'tthere last week.
That sort of response that we'vesaw or that we've seen the last
few weeks and months, I think isreally important.
And like I said before, it's ourjob to make sure that that
continues on now.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:03:29):
I made it very clear to me too.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:30):
Like Neil Neil's been saying this for months and
months, you know, about thespiritual war that that we're
in.
You know, and he's right.
You know, it it's like afterCharlie passed and how it was
handled on one side, you know,it's like we we are.
It's like it feels like God isfor us, it's like never a

(01:03:55):
choice.
I got I mean yeah, of course.
How can you exist without God?
And you know it feels like animpossibility as a whole part of
the country.
That is like that.
And and it's it's hard to it'shard to watch, but I Charlie's
death just made a lot of thingsso clearer.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:13):
Clearer than clearer than they they've they've ever
been.
Sure.
Really, you know.
Well, look at all of us doingour part here.
I mean, this show this showdidn't exist a while ago based
off a song that didn't didn'texist.
I wasn't doing what I'm doingprofessionally, boys.
I mean, you guys are touring allover the country sharing a
message and sharing great songs.
So I mean, as long as we keepdoing this, I think America will

(01:04:35):
win.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:36):
The only reason I came on this podcast, though,
the only reason that the onlyinterest I had in this is
because there's women refs inthe NFL.
Is that why?
Yeah.
I thought the only reason Iwanted to do this.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:48):
I thought, I wonder if Neil's only doing this
because they mandate a femaleref.
And I want to know your thoughtson that.
I can't stand it.
I can't stand it.
And if my brother, if if if thewomen were the best referee, all
we want is good refereeing.
That's all I want.
I'd rather have the gameofficiated perfectly than it be
a man doing it.
Wouldn't we all agree with that?

(01:05:08):
Yeah, like that means that allfemale crew, brother.
I'll take an all-female crewevery day so that they can
officiate the game perfectly.
But this forced affirmativeaction and DEI component to it
is so silly.
And I know you guys werebringing this up a little bit
with Kirk Kerb Street, thedifference between the NFL and
college football.
I grew up in a household thatloved both.
My dad was a Dolphins fan, but Igrew up in a very small southern

(01:05:31):
town where college football wasking.
Um, so I appreciated both, butover time you can tell that
there is this corporate entity,this this corporate interest and
global interest that's drivingthe NFL, and that's one example
of it.
In a way that maybe the same istrue for college football.
It's got plenty of problems.
It's got plenty of problems thatneed solutions, but at least

(01:05:51):
there still is this regional andlocal aspect to college football
that is cut kind of part of someof the problems, which also is
the appeal, right?

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:00):
I actually do agree with that.
Uh because the NFL is well,they're both huge business, but
there is a lot of It takes allof us, Kurt.
Neil, choose choose loving.
It takes all of us.
For instance, I'll give you anexample.

SPEAKER_07 (01:06:12):
Talking about talking about Bob Baumhauer and
Richard Todd and Jack Tatum anduh and all these great NFL guys.
I saw I saw a reel on Xyesterday that was a promotional
reel for the NFL in the 70s thathad blood dripping down the
arms, grabbing a face mask,ripping them off.
Every single shot would havebeen a penalty in today's game.

(01:06:32):
And so again, I understandthere's an aspect to wanting I
don't even want to say makingthe game safer, unnecessarily
putting guys in harm's way whenit comes to cognitive concussion
stuff.
I understand that.

(01:07:00):
But a softening of the sportthat just makes it not what it
is anymore.
And it's not it's not forentertainment purposes.
This is why I always say aboutfootball.
I don't care about the guy who'ssitting on his couch watching to
be entertained who's eatingpotato chips.
This is about giving young menan opportunity to go showcase
what they're capable of on afield and face adversity.

(01:07:21):
And you know, the more yousoften the game at every single
level, the more the more of anopportunity you're taking away
from them to do that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:28):
Amen.
What's the most wokeprofessional league?
NFL, MBA, and or NHL?
Like what would be the NHL.
That's what I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_07 (01:07:40):
It's gotta be the WNBA, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Would you say that NFL I'mwatching the Stanley Cup?
I'm watching the Stanley Cupfinals and they cut away to
because the finals was duringJune or whatever.
I won't let them co-op them anentire month for but there is a
month that gets associated.
Uh they run a rainbow, you know,a game of pride thing during the
anyway.
I thought y'all were talkingabout like on the court, on the

(01:08:02):
ice.
Well, NBA does that.
Oh no.
Those dudes, those dudes aregrown men.
Hockey man, which I'm comingfrom the south, I never really
watched hockey until I went toMichigan and I realized, oh
wait, they like this as much asfootball.
Yeah, that's yeah.
And those are grown men playing.
That's it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:16):
Maybe there could be a thing like if if you're like a
a trans athlete, maybe thatwould be should be the test.
Like if you want to if you wantto swim and you're you know,
biological man and you're you'retrans athlete and you're you're
becoming a woman, uh, then youmake them go through hockey
first.
And if you're won't they letthem do contact sports?

SPEAKER_07 (01:08:38):
If you can do that in the trans athlete, contact.
Let's go.
What's a trans athlete?
Because I I don't evenacknowledge the term.
Like I'm just gotten to thepoint where I'm like, okay, a
man who wants to be a woman?
Okay, you're a man then.
And look, I'm proud to say Iheard something.
So talking about like what itwhat is our sport show, uh
again, it's it's ebbed andflows, there's been different

(01:09:00):
iterations, but I'm very proudto say that we got Riley Gaines
on at a time before she wasinternationally known, and she's
been very good to us, and we'vecreated a friendship with her.
Just trying to highlight herstory.
Because again, so much of thisis about the terminology that we
use and what we seed to theother side, and I just I refuse
to do it, man.
I won't be able to do that.

(01:09:20):
Especially as the father of twoyoung daughters right now, I'm
not doing it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:09:24):
They still call they still call Bruce Jenner Caitlin
on Fox.
And again, it's a good thing.
And I'm like, what are youdoing?
I'm like, I know, I know youknow what I'm saying.
People can change their name ifthey want to change their own.
They still call him Caitlin,even though they know how insane
it is, they still call himCaitlin.
I think he might be going backto Bruce.
That's what I would use.

(01:09:44):
It looks like it.
I hope so.
I think it's the best bet atthis age, yeah, just to go back
to Bruce.
The point is you can't haveboth.
You can't be against the wokeworld and be against and speak
against all that, but yet you'restill calling them by their
wanted name.
It's not their real name.
And you know what I'm talkingabout?
I'm like Yeah, I mean it's itstill drives me crazy.

(01:10:05):
I'm like Yeah.
On the name thing, it's like wecall Euther Ash.
Oh no.
Is that what they call eutherash?

SPEAKER_07 (01:10:11):
Okay.
Uh have you lost any At leastit's masculine.
Yeah, I like that.
Have you lost any bets fromfemale refs?

SPEAKER_06 (01:10:19):
No, no.
I just want to see a female refbreak up a fight.
No, I do feel though that's whatI want to see.

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:30):
Just uh random or is there one?

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:32):
She's angry, she's grumpy.
Flag! She's not holding enough.
He's not holding me enough.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:39):
What about what about uh because some at this
table are against it, like uhfemale sports commentators on on
football.
Do you do you care?
Do you mind if they're like aslong as they're I gotta back up
from the mic real quick becausehey we have Michelle to play on
who's awesome.

SPEAKER_07 (01:10:56):
Yeah, well again, commentators or sideline
reporters or I mean notplay-by-play.
There's some.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:01):
I think they were talking about because I tried to
qualify it.
I said I said, well, sidelinereporters, if they're female,
sent to me it seems like it'd beeasier to get the coaches to
come over to you, you know, asopposed to to a guy, you know.
But um but I think you guys saidyou don't r really like like a
female sports commentatortalking about the game of
football.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:20):
I don't like the play by play.
Uh or even the color, becauselike if you're if you're talking
about football, like if you'renever playing, exactly you've
never played as opposed to howcan you relate if you've never
played?

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:36):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 (01:11:38):
No, there's song pluggers that don't even like
country music.
One of my biggest.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:42):
They'll sit there and they'll say, hmm.
I don't know if that that'shooked right or the second verse
isn't right.
Well, how would Yeah it's not ahit.
Show me the song you've written.
Yes, not a hit.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 (01:11:54):
Again, I I get back to the point, like anyone who
has earned a position in ameritocratic way, you know, like
based off merit, this is whatI'm good at.
I'm the best of the best, andI've earned this position, like
I can get on board with that.
It's this forced affirmativeaction aspect to it.
That's how it is.
To appease people, to yourpoint, to appease people who

(01:12:14):
don't even really love thesport.
Yep.
You know, like I love the sport,man.
Like I and this is one of thecriticisms that I have for Roger
Goodell in particular.
I just feel like in an attemptto globalize the product, even
to the point of wanting to sendthe Super Bowl overseas, he's so
desperate now.
Overseas Super Bowl so that theycan make more money
internationally and having badbunny at the Super Bowl and all

(01:12:36):
this kind of stuff.
In an effort to do that, hewould gladly sell out any one of
us who grew up loving the sport,who helped build the league into
what it is, in a way that Idon't feel is is the same for
someone like Dana White, right?
Who has an international sport.
Right.
I mean, Dana's hosting UFCevents all over the country.
I've gotten to know him a littlebit these last few years through

(01:12:57):
Power Slap and through some ofthe things that we've done with
Jeremy's Razors sponsorshipsover there at Daily Wire.
I never feel like he's trying tosell out the original UFC fans
who helped build that sport intowhat it is.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:09):
Well, because you are a football player.

SPEAKER_08 (01:13:17):
Tell me about Drake.
Tell me about Drake May.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:18):
And that concludes our podcast.

SPEAKER_07 (01:13:20):
Tell me about what's your take, what's your take on
Drake May?
My take is he's a startingquarterback for the Patriots,
and that's a good gig.
That's right.
That's a good gig.
At a time when when Vrabel,which I have to say, Vrabel, uh
talking about UFC, UFC had afight night here in Nashville,
and it was really cool.
I got to sit right thereringside, right behind Dana
White.
Vrabel's right behind me when hewas coaching at the Titans.

(01:13:43):
And we're like looking at eachother as these fights were
finishing and stuff.
Titans fire him.
He goes back to New England.
Look at him now.
Yeah, Roland.
Great coach, yeah.
Roland, man.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:51):
Well, it's just a good it's a it's the it's it's a
great fit.
He's back home.
It's a great fit.
And you know, McDaniel back withyou know, with Drake, you know,
just you know, which Alabamatried to get Drake May.

SPEAKER_07 (01:14:06):
Alabama tried to get him away from UNC, but it was a
North Carolina legacy.
But it it is fun.
I was just curious your take.
He he looks looks pretty good.
I mean I think he's really good.
You know, looks that wholeclass, man.
Like all of those guys, andthese guys, because the
contracts are so insane now,they're having to start younger
and younger, right?
Like, we got to see what you'remade of before we owe a quarter

(01:14:29):
billion dollars on your secondcontract.
And so these guys are gettingthrust into action in a way that
wasn't the same for AaronRodgers being able to sit behind
Brett Favre and and some ofthose guys, or what Tom Brady
was supposed to do with DrewBledsoe before he was thrust
into action.
So I just have a lot ofadmiration for someone who tried
to play the game at that level,watching what what they do is

(01:14:51):
it's incredible.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:53):
Man, we are gonna need to have you back.
We didn't get to talk any moviesor anything.
There's too much stuff.

SPEAKER_06 (01:15:00):
We're a bunch of songwriters in the music
business, and all we want totalk about is everything but the
music business most of the time.

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:06):
Yeah, well, look, I'll talk about anything, man.
I'll talk about anything.

SPEAKER_06 (01:15:09):
Uh do you like to talk about sports more or music
more?

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:12):
Well, it's there's an aspect to it where it's like
every day I'm talking aboutsports.
So when I'm around you guys, I'mlike, man, let's just go write a
song real quick.
Can we just knock one out?
Um, but I love it all, man.
I love it all.
I love it all.
We do too.
We do too.
You we need to encourage peopleto check out David Cohn and
Richest Man.
Mayflower cigars there, courtesyof Michael Knowles.
Awesome, thank you.

(01:15:33):
Brought those over.
He signed that for you guys, soI hope you enjoy.
Uh where can you find RichestMan of Town?
Everywhere?
Everywhere.
That's right.
Everywhere except the radio.
No, but it's uh look, uh awesomeproject that I that I'm just
again really happy that KentWells took a chance on me and

(01:15:53):
and produced some good materialand um really proud of the
album.
Please listen to it on Spotify,Apple Music, or uh you know, buy
it off iTunes, all that goodstuff.
Absolutely.
Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_05 (01:16:04):
Make sure you check out the podcast, Crane and
Company, that's good stuff.
Uh if you're watching us, leaveus a review.
What do you think of David Cohn?
Yeah.
Pretty good.
He's pretty good for a nextpitcher.

SPEAKER_07 (01:16:15):
If I need to come back as the perfect game for the
Yankee story.
If that increases viewership,I'm happy to do it.
We'll talk about Lady Ballersnext time.
Did you see Lady Ballers?
I just saw the trailer.
I didn't know what was out.
Hey, so y'all want to have somefun tonight?
Go home on Amazon Prime andwatch Lady Ballers.
Just watch me dunk on chicks.

(01:16:35):
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Keeping men out of women'ssports.
We we left our mark on thatsubject, which again, Riley
Gaines was in that movie.
Yeah.
Her being in that film for abrief cameo sort of sanctioned
that project for us.
Because the way that started,without going, I know we're
over, but uh, we would alwaysjoke with Ben Shapiro when he'd
come in that we should getBlaine, my co-host, to

(01:16:56):
infiltrate the WNBA.
They're letting this happen now.
Let's really do it.
And he would laugh and he wouldlaugh and he would laugh.
Well, one time he laughed and hecalled us back and he said,
Let's make a movie.
Let's make a movie where youguys are former basketball
players and now you're in awomen's league, and let's make a
comedy.
And so we watch dodgeball, wewatch all these Tropic Thunder,
all these great comedies to likeprep for that.

(01:17:17):
And they let us act in a movie.
I still don't know how we'regonna be able to do that.
I mean the trailer ishysterical.
I mean, uh, we encourageeverybody to check that out,
too.
Lady Ballers and where can youwatch it?
Amazon Prime, I think uh FUBO,uh Fire TV, uh all sorts of
stuff.
Yeah.
Definitely check that out.
Sorry.
DailyWire Plus is where you canwatch.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:35):
Absolutely.
Sorry.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:39):
I actually have Daily Wire Plus.
There's some good stuff onthere.
Yeah.
Um Like I said, if you'rewatching us, leave us a review,
download the episode.
We've got to thank OriginalGlory Beer.
We gotta thank espaces.com.com.
We gotta definitely thankeSpace's awesome studio, and of
course, Patriot Mobile.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:57):
Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:58):
Yeah, we got TK, Caleb, Trash, and David Comb
right there.
I'm curb.
We appreciate you guys watchingthis.
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