From One Tree Hill to Nashville: Jana Kramer's Journey :: Ep 71 Try That in a Small Town Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You could actually turn this into one of your
podcasts.
I could.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Like a cross promo.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
You ask us questions, we ask you questions Stay tuned
.
Who's your least?

Speaker 2 (00:09):
favorite artist.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Neil, who do you got?
Are you friends with MaryMorris?
I?

Speaker 2 (00:12):
don't know her personally, but she's always,
you know, been, she was alwaysnice, but we were never friendly
, I mean, we weren't likefriends you know, but she's
always been.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
We weren't either.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
There's something really classic and iconic about
the Flyover States.
You know it's a song that youcan listen to I mean, you can
listen to that one too.
It's Try them Small Town but Idon't know.
There's something that justfeels like in 20 years it's
still going to stay in the testof time.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
I've never heard of a label telling an artist that
the reason a single didn't workwas because of your performance.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
Yeah, I've never heard that.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Well, they're going to say anything Usually say oh,
it's the manager.
The manager says that's thelabel.

Speaker 5 (00:53):
Yeah, no, they're going to put any blame they can,
but not on themselves.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, which I think was the thing that always
carried with me too.
You're still not good enough.

Speaker 6 (01:08):
The Try that isn't carried with me too.
You're still not good enough.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
The try that in a small town podcast begins.
All right, welcome back.
This is a try that in a smalltown podcast coming to you from
the patriot mobile studiospowered by e spaces.
We're loving it.
Fun and different coming uptoday.

Speaker 6 (01:26):
Fun and different.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Fun, and different.

Speaker 5 (01:27):
Yes, we have a very famous actress, country music
singer.
I guess she's a Author Author.
She's also a podcast host.
She's a dancer.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
She's a mother.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
She does it all, jana Kramer.
She does it all.
Jana Kramer's coming on with us.
Have you guys seen any of herpodcasts?
By the way, not yet.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
But I haven't seen the podcast.
I mean, we're not really thedemographic yeah, but it's yeah,
she only has women on hers,apparently.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
I think it's a lot of women.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, because they talk about women's stuff.
Do do they like about men?

Speaker 3 (02:04):
I don't know, probably so I don't know I guess
it's probably not the safe zonefor us all women I mean I'm
scared, probably much deservedsome of it, yeah, some of it
yeah, but I don't

Speaker 4 (02:17):
know, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
We'll have to listen to it and see, uh, but she's
gonna be fun.
I mean, we remember from,obviously, the country music
stint.
I have to ask do you rememberwhat years that was?
I mean it's all runningtogether.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Now it's like 2012 or something.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
It was in the 10s through 15s, 10s through 14s,
but we met her back in the dayand she was great, but of course
she was on One Tree Hill.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
One Tree Hill, which was huge, friday.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
Night.
Lights which is a huge TV show.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
She has some cool things going on.
It'll be fun.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
Oh yeah, it's going to be a lot of fun.
We don't want to waste any timebecause it's going to be a
great conversation.
We're going to get right to ithere with Jana Kramer.
All right, Jana, thanks forbeing here.
We appreciate you.
Thank you for having me.
I'm kind of nervous.
Janna's here.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
She does her?

Speaker 5 (03:09):
own podcast.
I don't know if you guys haveseen any of it yeah we should be
very intimidated.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Yeah, and I don't think you guys are great, we're
not guests that are big enoughto be on her podcast but we're
thankful, no, no you guys arealways.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
I just didn't think you know, what's funny is that
whenever we do have guys on theshow most because women are
obviously listening they, theylike the men, they like when the
husbands come on the show morethan when we're talking so
really more it's more gearedtoward women.
Yeah I mean we talk about likeperimenopause and you know all
the things that we don't knowanything about exactly I have
hot flashes.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, it's true, actually to talk to men, since
we go through it exactly,victims of it oh well, I mean we
wouldn't do well on the podcastyeah, you're talking about.

Speaker 6 (03:56):
I think victims was a very strong word.
We're off to a bad start.

Speaker 5 (03:59):
Yeah, we're not a band let's roll this over.

Speaker 6 (04:01):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Take two, we're individuals, here we go.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
You could actually turn this into one of your
podcasts too.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
I could Like a cross-blog cross-promo.
You ask us questions.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
We ask you questions.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Stay tuned.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Who's your least?

Speaker 2 (04:14):
favorite artist.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
My least favorite artist is Greg.
Oh well, let's go there.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Wow, he's probably the only one that will tell you.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
You probably will say there's more than one.
Say one.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Say one my least favorite artist.
Yeah, Active right On the radioright now in the country.
Alive.
This is great.
We never do this.
See, Jenna, you're bringing itout.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Go ahead, I don't man right off the bat.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Put me right on the spot.
You call yourself thrash.
He's soft, he's a softie Dang.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
I wasn't expecting this.
I need a drink, Wow.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Okay, so for the people that maybe don't know
your podcast, it's the Wind Downpodcast.
Right, yeah, Wind.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Down.
I've been doing it for sevenyears on iHeartRadio, so it's
been great.
Yeah, doing it for seven yearson iHeartRadio.
So it's been, it's been great.
Yeah, so kind of before a lotof the podcasts had started.
But it's, it's a love haterelationship, to be honest.
So is it?
Is it this big?
It is so big.
No, no, it's not Um, no, it'sum.

(05:19):
I mean it's been great.
I've kind of been grandfatheredinto the iHeart you know team
and stuff, um, but it's.
The problem is is what I was,you know, chatting about before
we started, was a lot of thingsget taken out of context.
It becomes a headline and it'slike, ah, and people really just
see the, just want to read theheadline as opposed to actually
listening to the podcast.
So there's times where I'lltext I heart and be like I'm
done, I'm not doing this anymore, like I don't want to do it,

(05:40):
and and then there's always thatperson that responds saying hey
, thank you for talking aboutthat today.
It really resonated.
So I'm like oh shoot, I'll doone more week.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
Is it a weekly thing?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
It's a yeah, every Wednesday it airs, and then I've
got another one that airs onThursdays, and then we have
guest episodes.
We do three episodes a week.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
How do you?

Speaker 1 (05:56):
have time for that.
Wow, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
I mean that's a lot.
Yeah, we usually do it in oneday, so it's about three hours
in one day.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
That's very intimidating.
I wish we could do that, justbring different shirts and let's
just get it done.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Oh, I just wear the same shirt.
Don't waste a shirt, really.
Yeah, hold on.
No costume changes.
No costume changes, wow.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Do you think there's always?

Speaker 2 (06:25):
someone that wants to twist someone's words because
of what, whatever they're goingthrough, but I I hope that the
majority of people want tolisten because they want to get
to know someone or understandyou know, or to hear a guest
talk about their experiences or,um, you know, relate, and
that's that's why I listen to.
You know, y'all's podcast.
You know, but you, and that'sthat's why I listened to you
know y'all's podcast, you know,but you do get positive comments

(06:48):
.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Yeah, so we, we don't .
We hadn't experienced positivecomments yet but we're hoping
we'll get there.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
You'll get some, you'll get, you'll get positive
and hang in there.
It's good.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
So let's backtrack a little bit for people.
Best-selling author.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
It's a lot.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
But let's go back to the actings.
How did that start?
How did that journey start foryou?

Speaker 2 (07:17):
So with acting.
I grew up in Michigan.
I loved acting.
I didn't do theater, but Iwould go down to this place in
Detroit and it was a bunch of,at the time, 30 plus year olds
and I and in Detroit and this umacting coach from Chicago would
come in and train and I justloved every minute of it.

(07:38):
So when everyone was applyingfor colleges and stuff, I was
just like I'm either going toNew York or LA and uh, so I kind
of I didn't.
I did lie my way in but, um, Igave.
I gave my headshot to an actorthat was on a soap opera.
His name was Aiden Turner and Iwas his waitress in Detroit and

(08:01):
I was like, hi, I'm an actress.
Like, here's my headshot.
I mean, just now I cringetelling that story.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
I was 18.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, so like super cringy, but I was just like you
know, I really want to be anactress, can you give this to
your casting director?
And then he gave me his emailand said you know, email me, you
know, keep in touch and stay onme.
And so I emailed him prettymuch weekly until I graduated
high school and was like listen,I, I just need to know if I
should go to New York or LA, orjust I don't know anybody.

(08:28):
I haven't actually doneanything.
And the casting director of allmy children actually called me
and he was like hey, so Aidengave me your information.
He's like have you doneanything?
And I said no, he goes.
Do you live in New York?

Speaker 6 (08:40):
And I said no, I live in Michigan.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
He goes.
Well then I can't use youbecause you're not, you have to
be a local hire.
Like you've done nothing and Iwas like well then I live in New
York.
Like what do I need to tell you?
Like I live in New York, I'llfly there tomorrow.
Like, please, just meet me.
Like I beg you to meet me.
And so I told my mom I booked arole on all my children because
there's no way that she wouldhave.
Let me just fly to.

Speaker 6 (08:59):
New.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
York without.

Speaker 6 (09:00):
So they threw this whole party.
It was bad yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
But I knew like I was like I know, if the man just
meets me, know it.
So I flew to New York, slept onmy uncle's friend's couch and
met the casting director and hewas like, can you read some of
these lines?
And so I read off of thislittle sheet and he's like, can
you work next week?
And I said yeah, Wow, so, yeah.
So that's kind of how I gotstarted and then, long story

(09:25):
short, end up going to LosAngeles at 19 and, um, you know,
did some shows like Entourageand Friday Night Lights, Grey's
Anatomy and then One Tree Hillwas what really started it all
for me.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
I had forgotten.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
You were in Friday Night Lights.
I started to look it up.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
What a great show.
You guys ever watch it.
What an awesome show.
That was so great.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
I didn't want to watch it, but they all got me
into it and I couldn't quit.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, it was so good.
I actually tested for the roleof Minka's character, and then
they ended up saying, like youknow, here's something that we
want you to do later on.
So all right, here we go.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
So what's that guy's name?
Kyle Chandler.
Is he the coach?

Speaker 2 (10:02):
He was the dad, yeah, the coach yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
He seems like a pretty cool guy.
Lovely yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
So nice.
I had a couple scenes sceneswith him and he was great.
But the the year that I was on,it got cut short because of the
writer's strike.
So during that time was when Istarted to kind of flirt around
with music.
I loved country music and I wasone of my best girlfriends in
Los Angeles.
She's like you should be asinger and I'm like no, no, no,
like you're the singer, I'm justthe, the actress, um, and I've

(10:29):
never, I never sang out in frontof front of anyone but her.
But during the writer's strike,um, and I was off of Friday
Night Lights, there was um thisshow on CMT that was casting
called Can you Duet?
and her and I had done a few,like.
We put out a few songs togetherbecause I was like, all right,
if you, I'll do this, if yousing country music, because I

(10:50):
knew she hated country music andshe was like, sure I'll do it.
I'm like sing country musiccause I knew she hated country
music and she was like sure I'lldo it.
And I'm like, oh crap.
So we just, you know, wrote acouple of songs together.
One was our band, was calledmoonshine.
Uh, montgomery was a song thatwe put out on um, on my space
and the can you do what?
People saw it, and so theyasked us to audition.
So we flew to Nashville andaudition at the wild horse
saloon and, uh, I ended upmaking the show but they cut her

(11:14):
and I just remember having themlike I can't do it without her.
I'm like I'm not a singer, likeshe's the singer.
I just got lucky and cause theyknew that I was on Friday night
lights and they were totallyplaying that storyline, um, and
then I called my agent.
I was like, what do I do?
You know, do I go down thisroute, do I not?
And I ended up leaving the showbecause they were like the

(11:37):
strike is going to be over soon.
So I left because I just didn'tthink I could do it.
I didn't have the confidence tosing and so I left.
But I had just made a fewfriends from that show and
that's when I started kind ofdabbling into music.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
And was that so?
I'm sorry.
Trying to put the timelinetogether, one Tree Hill was
right before that.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
So One Tree Hill was right after that.
So after that whole Kenya duetthing, I can't remember maybe a
year or so later I auditionedfor One Tree Hill series,
regular part and I got it.
And the first season I mean theseason that I was on was great,
but the creator was really intomusic and at that time I was
flying from Wilmington toNashville and just writing with

(12:20):
some of the local.
I wasn't big enough to writewith you guys yet so never got
that opportunity.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Kayla would have wrote with you.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
I would have Nobody wanted to write with me.
And I even did some showcases.
I got turned down by literallyeveryone.
Uh, joe galanti, um like everysingle one, hendrix, every
single one of them, and so.
But I still kept just kind ofwriting, fine, back and forth.
And, uh, when I was on the showI said to the creator I was

(12:50):
like, look, I have no idea if Ican sing or whatever, but this
is what I've been doing inNashville.
Um, can you just take a listenand let me know what you think?
And then he turned my sing, uh,my character, into a singer on
the show and he surprised mewith it.
He's like hey, read this script.
And so that's when I was like,oh my gosh, thank in Whiskey.
And from there then the labelswere interested because when it

(13:18):
aired on the show, the peoplebought it like crazy.
It shot up on the iTunes stuffand that's when I got my record
deal with Warner.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
How can you help us?
The beautiful word nice?
How can they help you?
Yeah, showcase, what a brutal.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
We talk about this a lot on here.
Yeah, how can you help us?
The beautiful word, how canthey help you?
Yeah, showcase what a brutal.
We talk about this a lot onhere like showcasing what that
used to be like here, whereyou'd play your five songs for
the industry at 5, 30, at 12thand porter or whatever you were
doing.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
So you did that locally, here in town with the
band, and before.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, it was a glenn.
Um god, what was his name?
Glenn, something?
Glenn mitchell?

Speaker 5 (13:52):
glenn mitchell was my guitar player oh my gosh, glenn
mitchell, he was british right,yeah, british.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Oh my god, that's so funny he was my guitar player,
and this was before, you know,before anything had aired on
montreal, and it got all thenose we try to tell people how
like cold that situation is.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
When you're showcasing and you're, you know
you're looking at people.
They don't want to be there andthey're there after work and
they're walking out early.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
They put you in an environment that is exactly
opposite of what yeah, you'reset up to fail.
It's a cold room.
There's eight to ten peoplethere.
Maybe.
Maybe they'll bring some extrapeople in, but you're doing your
five songs or whatever it is.
Yeah, and they're just gone.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
You've spent two days rehearsing for five songs.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
You know well and I think the thing with me, too,
where I'm different than theother artists is I did not
believe in.
I still don't like to this day,like I always say oh, I only
got the record deal because ofone trail, because that is the
truth, like I know, I, and Ialways say I don't have the
carry underword voice, I don'thave this, I, I don't have that,
and so for so long I kind ofwore that badge of I only got

(14:56):
this because of that, which,again, is the truth, and I, when
I was doing those showcases orthat one showcase, and then when
I'd go in the office and singfor the people it was, I didn't
have the confidence that maybesomeone who has been grinding
for so long to get thisopportunity so I was.
I mean, of course, I failedbecause I was had no idea what I

(15:18):
was doing and maybe that waslike my second time ever singing
publicly.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
Really oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
My parents did not hear me sing until I was playing
down in Michigan at the WICDGuitars and Stars or whatever I
was like.
This is the first time anyonehas ever heard me sing.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
You never sang at home just messing around.
When I was six years old.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
I won a pageant singing Twinkle, twinkle Little.

Speaker 6 (15:44):
Star in a rock version.
The rock version.
Yeah, I was like.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Twinkle.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Twinkle Little Star.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
That was me as a six-year-old, and that's it.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
That may be a first for me, because everybody
usually grows up singing aroundthe house.

Speaker 6 (15:56):
Well, here's the thing.
And your mom and dad aresupportive and my baby can sing.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
My dad was a bass player and he grew up I mean
band practices in my basement ofsinging and I never got the.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
You have a good voice and so I just never sang what
he was the musician so and oneof the many things I thought was
interesting and just kind ofresearching you is you're one of
the only or the only artists Iknow that's had multiple hits.
That that says publicly says ohyeah, I'm not really a great
singer, because I was watching Ithink it was the pivot one of

(16:31):
the podcasts those NFL guys,which is hysterical.
It was awesome.
Y'all covered some freakingground on that a lot of stuff,
but but you said that, so youreally don't believe that.
I mean your, your voice is isgreat, especially on the song
that I was a part of, whichwe'll talk about I um yeah, I,
yeah, I mean I think it'sbecause of the one tree hill
thing and knowing that Iwouldn't.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
I think it's because of the One Tree Hill thing and
knowing that I wouldn't havegotten it the other way around.
And if you compare me on alineup of people, I think now
I've leaned into the cry in myvoice, I've leaned into the
authenticity of the emotionbehind it.
So I can say, okay, I'm anemotionally maybe more authentic
singer than maybe others, butam I the best vocally?

Speaker 5 (17:14):
no, I think that's a key though and especially in
country music, you don't.
I mean, there are the carriesthat can sing very well, but I
think people buy into that morethan anything.
Are you genuine with whatyou're delivering?
I think that's what separatescountry from pop especially.
I'm glad that you leaned intothat, because that's what people
buy into.
Yeah, and that's what I endedfrom pop especially.

(17:34):
I'm glad that you leaned intothat, because that's what people
buy into.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, and that's what I ended up having to do on
stage.
I'm like, all right, I can givea hell of a show, I'll make
people cry, I'll make them happy.
I ran around the stage actingcrazy, but it was just like I
will give them a show and theywill feel every emotion and I'll
allow my voice to feel it,because that's how I've always
kind of lived.
My life is my heart on mysleeve, so are you still doing

(17:57):
shows?

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Are you still singing the only?

Speaker 2 (17:59):
time I sing now is.
I mean Jesse Decker and I putout a song that I wrote um
recently, so that's fun.
I do saw Lee Bryce and JaredNeiman.
We just wrote a song that herecorded.
Lee did for me, Um, so I dothings now.
If I'm like, hey, I got thissong idea, I really want to do
it, just to kind of rotate thewheel of everything.
And I do enjoy music, I lovewriting.
It's so therapeutic, and one ofmy favorite songs I wrote was

(18:21):
after my divorce to my kid's dad.
You know how do I tell themthat I got?

Speaker 4 (18:26):
the story.
I mean, it killed me yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Um, and you.
So I still sing at like OneTree Hill conventions because
you know those people are theones that gave me this career
and I'm always so.
We have little concerts likethat, but no, I don't go on tour
anymore.
I stopped that.
Once I had my second kid.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
But you figured something out, though you said
it like performing and put agood show on, it's never been
been like a singing contest.
If that was the case, I don'tthink we'd have some of our
greatest artists, you know, Ithink I think just sing songs,
like you said, that fit you,that you can relay the emotion
in, go out and perform well, Ithink that's that's more.

(19:06):
People should try to figurethat out earlier, because I
think that they get so wrappedup in being the best singer,
which there's no such thing asthe best singer.

Speaker 5 (19:14):
It's subjective, it's very subjective.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
It's always been like who's the coolest singer who?

Speaker 5 (19:21):
moves you Right exactly.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
You figure that out.
A lot of people never figurethat out.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Who's your least favorite?
Well, actually I'll answer it.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
I'm actually surprised and a little
heartbroken that you, for allthe thrash talk and all the
tough stances, you really letthat go.
You see what he's doing.
He's pushing the buttons.
You know where I'm at?
Warren Zeters.
He's awful, do you know, warren?
No, okay, he's just another oneof these.

(19:53):
Uh, I'm glad guys, are he's?
he's an artist he's an artist,he's doing okay, actually yeah,
but um, you know he's like, youknow the uh, the tiktok genre,
you know.
So you know shirt off stickinginto a hairbrush in front of his
truck, kind of stuff, you knowso it's it's cool, neil.
Who do you got?

Speaker 1 (20:11):
are you friends with maren moores?

Speaker 2 (20:13):
you know what?

Speaker 3 (20:13):
that doesn't count anymore though, maren, she's not
in the genre anymore.
She's an artist trying tobypass.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
She's an artist.
Is she coming back or didn't?
I hear her.
She was trying to, or is that Idon't know.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Well, she just made sure she just made headlines
like yesterday or today somebodygroped her summer.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
She said someone in her meet.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah, she said someone grabbed her In her meet
and greets.
She said someone grabbed her.
Oh, I didn't hear that.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
I don't know her personally, but she's always
been.
She was always nice, but wewere never friendly.
I mean we weren't like friends,but she's always been.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
We weren't either.
I wonder if it was like a paidgroper, like the paid protesters
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
There might be some of those who knows?
Did you write a?

Speaker 6 (20:54):
song for her.
No, no, you were trying to geta back story.

Speaker 5 (20:58):
There must have been something.
What do you think?
Speaking of the female countrymusic industry, there's been a
lot of talk.
We've talked about it.
Somebody had the percentage ofthe female artists that are on
the air.
What was?

Speaker 1 (21:12):
it, it, it was something like I don't remember
the person or something likethat.
Yeah, it was way down, it wasreally low.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Um, it used to be much higher.
I remember, like when we cameto town in 2000s, like when
trisha yearwood was here, it waslike a lot of women artists.
Do you have a take on why thatcould be?
Or maybe two questions who doyou like that's a female artist
right now?
And then, maybe, why aren'tthere more?

Speaker 2 (21:40):
sure, I mean I.
It honestly baffles me, becauseradio programmers would say you
know their main audience, womenwant to listen to men and I'm
like but do they?
Because I want to listen towomen, like back in the day, if
you said faith hill, trisha,yearwood, shidezi, dina carter,
I mean I, shania twain, I,that's who I listen to.
Women.
Like back in the day you saidFaith Hill, trisha, yearwood,
shadezy, dina Carter, I meanShania Twain, that's who I
listen to Lots of big.
So it always surprised me thatthey were saying that.

(22:02):
But I also love guy songs too.
But it makes me sad becausethat was what I was always
fighting up against, right, andit was a lot of stuff with the
girls too.
Like, in that time it was KaceyMusgraves, it was me, it was
well obviously, miranda Carey.
They always had the top spot,but there was that

(22:22):
competitiveness with it.
Where it's they got there'sthree already there, so it's
like you really couldn't haveroom for anyone else to get up
there.
I don't understand why Inowadays I like Ella Langley.
I think she's really um I.
I don't know her personally atall, but I think she's got a
really cool tone in her voice.

(22:43):
I like her songs.
I don't know if she actuallywrites them or not, but, um, it
doesn't hurt me.
I never I didn't write a lot.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
I think she does, I think she writes a lot yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
But I think she's really cool and just very
authentically herself.
I like that.
I'm not so much on the poppierside of things.
I like more of the EllaLangley's.

Speaker 6 (23:05):
What do you?
Guys like I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
I don't know why?

Speaker 5 (23:08):
Yeah, no, I think we're on the same page with that
, and that's what I was gonnasay.
I don't know we've had thisdiscussion a lot why there
aren't bigger and more femaleartists, and I think it's
because of that there's not asmany genuine artists like.
When you see and hear ella, yougo, wow, that's cool, she's
different, she's being herself.

(23:30):
She's true to herself.
Some of them.
I don't know if I could saythat for her.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Well, they're also like Lainey and Ella.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
Lainey obviously fits into that category.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
They're starting to translate into live ticket sales
too, which I think was a littlebit of a disconnect, maybe with
some of the and it could be alabel thing, maybe thinking
girls should do these type ofsongs or they can't do these
type of songs.
I feel like we've definitelyfell into a spot where we have
some great women artists butthey weren't doing songs that

(23:59):
maybe were connecting on acertain level, which to
translate into a hard ticket toget you out of the opening slot
per se, but it's starting tohappen again.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
You know laney's doing huge numbers yeah, I, if
I'm honest and I don't know, andI never want to like place
blame on anybody, but I thinkwhen you're like when I was at
the label it was, you can't wearthis, you can't do this.
You can't put this, your hair uplike this.
You definitely I mean the.
Oh my god, if I would have woresome of the stuff that some of
these girls are wearing, like Iwould have.

(24:30):
I mean, I wasn't allowed toshow anything Like the sundress
was like already like causing awhole start, you mean because it
was too provocative, or theywanted to not make me be like
that, which is fine.
I totally respected that.
But they're like you can't singthis, you can't do this, you
should sing this.
And I was just like, okay, okay, because I was just so grateful

(24:55):
to be there.
So a lot of the songs that Idid sing, I'm like I didn't
really connect to them now gotthe boy.
Why you want a few other oneswere obvious, ones that I still
love to this day, but there areso many that I did because my
producer, who is also my head ofa and r, of course I'm going to
say yes to him yes because, Ineed him to support this.
Yeah, and you want to besuccessful at it.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah, yeah, and I want to be successful and it's a
fine line of especially whenyou're getting started play ball
until you can do your own thing.
But I think a lot of femaleartists already have their backs
against the wall in that way,when they're already told they
can't do this or they shouldn'tdo that, and you feel like you
don't have the support of the nrand the promo, like the promo

(25:33):
staff at radio, and yeah, Ithink that's a lot of it like,
before you know it it's you'realready behind the eight ball
right and I was told I couldn'tact anymore.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
It's like if they, if you want to be taken serious,
you can't do this anymore, youcan't do that.
And I'm like, but blake's ableto, why he's able to go do that
like, why cannot his?
Well, because you started as anactress.
I'm like that doesn't makesense.

Speaker 6 (25:50):
It makes no sense.
I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
So I did.
I stopped for five years.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
But that's a lot of labels, A lot of labels.
They get new artists in thereand they want you to think they
know everything that's best foryou, without even knowing you at
all.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
I see it all the time .

Speaker 4 (26:07):
When they did a good job on I Got the Boy, on the I
Got the Boy.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, I mean, that was a song that I mean I was
trying to write a song about myhigh school sweetheart from the
very beginning.
You, know and that was, and heknew that, and so he called me
to the office.
I thought he was dropping me,but he called me to the office,
always scared about that, andhe's like you gotta listen to
the song.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
And I just like cried .
Have you ever?
Tim Nichols is one of thewriters on that.
Have you ever seen him sing itor perform?

Speaker 2 (26:35):
it.
Someone sent me a video onetime of it, yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Yeah, so we do a lot of corporate shows as writers,
kind of like a travelingbluebird thing, and it's always
interesting when a guy sings agirl's song, because a lot of
the people out there you cantell them all day long or all
night long hey, we wrote these,it's not middle-aged karaoke,
but they don't listen.
And all of a sudden you see himsinging this song and the most

(26:57):
awkward it gets is when we're atthe Bluebird like sitting in a
circle and he's facing me andhe's singing I got the boy, she
got the man and I'm like, hmm, Idon't know if that's ringing
true with your life.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
You guys want me to come out and sing.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
It's a great song, but love that, kayla?

Speaker 5 (27:14):
what's a song that you have with Janet?

Speaker 4 (27:17):
Oh, I didn't.
I wasn't even going to bringthat up.
Sometimes we like to do showand tell.
Let me just pass this around,jim, thank you for your lyrics,
so scared.
In case we don't have time toplay the whole song.
The song broke my heart thissong broke my heart and I'll

(27:39):
tell you there's a couplereasons why.
And actually it broke my heartmore this morning when I was
spending a lot of timeresearching and the more I
learned about you, I realized itwas a complete accident, that
we wrote this particular songexactly for your personality and
what you're going through in alot of your life.
At that time it really amazedme, because we talk about how

(28:01):
it's a gift to have arelationship with Aldine or Gary
LaVox or Kenny Chesney or BradPaisley, whatever.
So you know them and you knowit's just easier to write for
them.
And I didn't know you at alland Jerry Flowers didn't know
you or Rachel Proctor didn'tknow you.
But at the time we wrote theperfect song for you and then
somebody we're assuming thelabel completely failed all of
us.
What happened?

Speaker 2 (28:24):
So this one kills me.
Remember the little rain sticksthey had too that they were
sending to radio.
They said that it wasn'tresearching.
Is what they said?
That it wasn't um researchingis is what they said their early
research and what, what reallyI think hurt me in my career was
.
You know, my first song out ofthe gate was why you wanna, and
that was that was got to threeright and then whiskey right

(28:46):
after.
Um, they blame me for thatfailing because they said that
at crs I didn't do a good enoughperformance oh my god, yeah at
the new faces okay soimmediately like I could cry
thinking about it.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
That's very typical.
Talk about that for one secondbecause we I mean, we played new
faces and a few times and thatis such a a label excuse yeah
nothing there affects thesuccess of that song.
I mean people there are.
I mean you know what it's likethere.
There are 20 drinks in by timeto get to the new picture show.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah, and it's not like there's actual fans there,
there's just radio programmersthere are nothing against them,
but they're not the most livelyof like.
Some of them are like if you gotcadillac jack from vegas like
you know it's great, like you,those fans are there, but you
also have the ones that don'tlike you, that don't believe in
you and that are just staring atyou, and so we had, you know,

(29:39):
brantley Gilbert was one of thepeople on new faces.
There was one other person, too, that I cannot remember, and
that was me, and me and mymanager were like, all right,
they're gonna be given thesehardcore, just rock things.
Let's lean into the cry of myvoice, the authenticity, the sad
ones.
So we did sing mostlyheartbreak songs, and they said

(30:01):
that I just didn't perform wellenough and that I didn't connect
, and I thought I did a greatjob.
I was just like I came off likeoh my gosh, and of course in the
moment they said it was greatum and he's, you know, espo was
like I was crying um, but thatended up not being the case and
that's where they blamed whiskeyfailing at in the in the

(30:22):
mid-20s, and then I hope itrains was the next one.
So that was the one to like getme back up there, but I think
it only got to like what 30something yeah, this was a
single, but they said it wasstill.
CRS side backlash.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Wow, I've never heard of CRS fallout lasting that
long.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
But I think it comes down to, and then also because
of how they blame the radio teamagain, because how they
badgered the program directorsfor the ads for why you Wanna.
They said that it put a badtaste in their mouth.
So there was always just like ablame game of like in my
thoughts.
I wasn't a good enough singerthe label team.
Then we did have a death in thelabel in our radio team, so it

(31:00):
was just like a lot of likepointing fingers and I'm like,
can we just figure this out?
And that's when we then got.
I got the boy which was on that.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
Yeah, I've never heard of a label telling an
artist that the reason a singledidn't work was because of your
performance.

Speaker 5 (31:16):
Yeah, I've never heard that.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
Well, they're going to say anything, Usually say oh,
it's the manager.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
The manager says that's the label.
Yeah, no, they're going to putany blame they can, but not on
themselves.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, which I think was the thing that always then
carried with me too.
You're still not good enough,like you know.
Yeah, you got one hit and thenit kind of fell, fell and then a
hit, and then you know which, Ijust couldn't ever I could
never get the single single, thehit hit, hit in a row, and
that's what they also then saidwas my demise and
then, espo and I ended up havinga not wonderful relationship

(31:49):
towards the end.
So because I wasn't doing whatthey wanted me to do or I, I I
hugged a program director.
I shouldn't have hugged theprogram, you weren't.
You were not like, and I wasjust like oh my God, I don't
like, I'm trying to be nice.
So my over-friendliness wastaken to flirty or this too Like
, and then I just like.

(32:10):
I remember sitting at dinner wewere at this Italian restaurant
and I was just like what do youwant from?
me and I was just like cryingand he was just like you just
don't get it.
And I'm like you're not tellingme, like what don't I get you
know?

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Like help me.
I've like stopped my careeracting stuff the wall.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, yeah, wow.
I mean, I love country music.
That's what.
That's.
What label heads do?
They're real good at placingblame instead of looking in the
mirror.
They're not like head coachesof football, where they take.
You know, this is on me, I'venever heard a record label head
say, hey, this is on me, never.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, but man, they will take the credit when it
flies oh, yeah, yeah, yeah I hadone song that my label
president gave me and he saidthis is gonna make you go to the
, it's gonna be wild and youknow it's gonna be the huge hit.
They paid a bunch of money forthe song.
It was my worst performing songever.
I mean terrible.
And then then, soon after that,I was dropped see, it wasn't my

(33:08):
song, telly, I was looking atit, I mean I'm trying to find.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
I mean there's some lyrics you could have.
Why did you?

Speaker 1 (33:13):
hand these out.
You want us to?
Uh, I heard you got yourself adate already.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Funny, thought you needed your space just five
nights ago.
Keep going.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
I love it sounded great, maybe, maybe it's the I
bet you'll

Speaker 2 (33:25):
take it from your mama's store yeah, chicken from
your mama's store, that's a goodline hey, kayla, whose idea was
this?

Speaker 5 (33:30):
it was mine.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
It's so good though, Jerry.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
Flowers riff, and then Rachel Proctor helping on
the vocal and melody.

Speaker 5 (33:37):
We love Rachel and Jay.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
She's awesome, so it was just a good solid to write
it's a good song.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
We should bring it back.
Let's do it.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
Let's do it, let's bring it back, let's make it be
a TikTok thing.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Because, but then it'll be a hit A hundred percent
.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
There we go.
Well, guys, I don't know aboutyou, but I don't even need to
vote on this thing you guys canbe in the band behind it.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
We'll just do a whole thing.
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
We'll work it up.
All you got to do is justchange a couple of words, change
the herd to him.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
Yeah, then, tony and I can get in the writer's crew.
Yeah, We've got a lot of stuffto get to.
Let's take a quick break.
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We were talking a little bitduring the break, so this is
really interesting.
Jana was on Dancing with theStars.
What year was this?

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Oh, my gosh, my daughter, was not even one yet.
No, was she one Gosh?
No, she wasn't one yet.
She was little.
She was like five months.
So that was back in 2016.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
2016.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Math on that.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
What a terrifying thing I can't imagine I think we
should have our listeners weighin.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
Which one of us would do the best on Dancing with the
Stars?
I think Kelly, that would be mewithout a doubt.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
You think, I think you do, it would be me.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, no, it would definitely be me.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
You One, of you two.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
Really, absolutely.
You think so.
I think we should be a danceoff.
Lana, does she have Neil's?

Speaker 4 (36:20):
got some decent moves .
He does Really.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
He's got moves.
It would definitely be me.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Is it with whiskey or without?

Speaker 5 (36:31):
I mean, we don't even have to talk.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
You know drunk falling around, you know that,
right, it's real dancing.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, I would find my edge, my buzz.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
Do you have dance in your background?

Speaker 2 (36:43):
I used to figure skate, but to me that was not
the same and maybe it helped mea little bit with the
gracefulness of my arms.
But that's it.

Speaker 5 (36:50):
You did well, though right in the show I did the
semifinals yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
That's pretty, it was all right.
So you got to work like howmuch dancing.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
I was on tour like I was on tour so we were flying, I
would be right before playing ashow.
I mean it was crazy, it was, um, it was I mean got the boy
obviously did great and so itwas.
I was kind of riding thesuccess from that and uh, a lot
of probably six hours, five, sixhours of of training a day,
yeah, oh my god, and then rightbefore shows.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
I'd rehearse it again , then we'd fly back to Probably
six hours five, six hours oftraining A day, yeah.
Oh my.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
God, and then right before shows, I'd rehearse it
again and then we'd fly back toCalifornia.
I mean, it was a wild time.
And then, once we got towards,the end I'm like all right, we
canceled some shows because Iactually wanted to win and
wanted to do good, but it wasfun, Were you?

Speaker 4 (37:34):
excited to get out there and do the routine and
everything.
It was fun.
Were you excited to get outthere and do the routine and
everything?
Or were you scared to death,since that's not what you
normally do?
Totally scared to?

Speaker 2 (37:40):
death.
I mean, that show makes youjust think you are the worst at
everything in your life.

Speaker 6 (37:44):
I mean, it's really just you know like I'm like I
suck, it's like writing withNeil, totally Like you know I
was the person that was justgetting one word you know,

Speaker 2 (37:56):
So it's like I was the person that was just getting
one word, but I personallywould love to go back and do it
at this stage of my life.
My ex was in rehab at the time.
My personal life was a disaster, and so I think that's where my
though it was a really goodthing to get my mind off of
stuff.
I wish I could go back and bewhere I'm at today.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
I probably would have a little more confidence, I
would have more, and I wouldhave enjoyed it.
I think so.
Who won?

Speaker 2 (38:27):
that year?
Uh, and or did you make anyother friends from the um, um,
hernandez, um, she was a gymnast.
I'm totally blanking on hername.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
That's not even fair I know and she was amazing.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
She was so good.
But I mean I feel likefriend-wise a lot of the dancers
and I actually we became quiteclose, you had different styles
of dancing right through eachweek.
Yeah, my favorite wascontemporary.
I loved contemporary dance.

Speaker 5 (38:49):
So what does that even mean for somebody?
Contemporary, no real rules,it's just kind of like feeling
it.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
It's not structure real rules, it's just kind of
like feeling it.
It's not structure Like all thestructure dances I really
struggled with.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
That'd be your category.
Buddy.
Contemporary was fun.
Is that where your backproblems started?

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Probably, but no, that was yeah, I love the
contemporary ones, seems like it, but when?

Speaker 1 (39:08):
did your back problems start.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
When I had a baby at 40.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
That's when mine started.
Seriously, I didn't have thebaby, but that's when it started
, because we were talking aboutit before we went live.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
It's a struggle getting older.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
How old are you?
Six.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Somewhere around 60.
Does it get better in 20 years?

Speaker 4 (39:28):
from now he plays the senior tees at the golf course.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
I don't remember 40.
That's how old I am.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Okay, that's a good time then.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
huh yeah, but when you're 60 or close to it,
whatever, at least you can belike well, that's why my back
hurts.
I turned 60 in July.
At least when you turn 60, it'slike you have a reason.
When you're like 45, 50, 50,whatever you're like, should I
be hurt this sore right now?
Yeah, when you're 60, you'relike okay, I get it, you're
selling off into the horizon.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
She's kind of backhanded, I think no, no, it's
very forehanded.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
I'm used to that.
The back problem started withkids.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Picking them up improperly.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
I'm doing an improper deadlift all the time, and that
started when I was like 30.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
And it hasn't gotten better.
Well, you just have to maintainit like 30 and it hasn't gotten
better.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
It got well you just have to maintain it.
No, it hasn't gotten bettersweet, he's right.
Yeah, you got great news whenthe kids.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
When the kids were small, we go take them skiing,
lifting them on and off thechairlift my back.
You're right, though, it's likethat, having kids doing all
that stuff.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
That's what it is well but there may be a little,
there may be a a littledifference in your health
regimen and say ours so you maylast a little longer and snap
back, you know so.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I think, our nutrition.
I'll let you guys know in 20years.
Yeah Well, I don't know.
You guys were talking aboutFunyuns earlier, so I think.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
I think we're.
Yeah, I, I'm making funyuns.
I mean it's, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Do you guys write all the time together.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
No, not all the time no.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
We write, we're on the books every Wednesday and we
hadn't written one time.
This year.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
That's not true.
Well, we've been on tour, thatis true.
It is true.
We've got next week, nextWednesday, that's the latest hit
.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
They do With what?

Speaker 4 (41:16):
Because they had Whiskey Drink, whiskey Drink.

Speaker 5 (41:18):
We're following your title Whiskey, Whiskey Drink.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
I think whiskey has been used many times.
You know you were the start ofthe bro country movement Right.

Speaker 5 (41:26):
There was probably never a song called Whiskey.
For a long time you had yoursand then everybody put whiskey
in their song.
Including us we had a songcalled Whiskey Drink with Jason
whiskey in their song, includingus.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
We have a song called whiskey drink with jason.
Okay, nice, we like the wordtown.
Alvin likes the word town.
Yeah, try that small town gotit rearview town.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Try that small town.
Uh-huh um tattoos on this town,all kinds of towns.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Right, I've got a lot of towns and the songs.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
What is your favorite song you've ever written?

Speaker 1 (41:54):
of the town songs of any of the songs oh, my favorite
song well, flower states for meis probably one that sticks out
.
The most.
That's a beautiful song, and itjust kind of just holds its own
.
Yeah, you know, and it doesn'twear on me.
Yeah, you know, not to say thatanything like try that in small
town doesn't, but it's kind ofthere's something really classic

(42:14):
and like iconic about theflyover states.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
You know it's, it's a song.
There's something reallyclassic and iconic about.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
The Flyover.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
States.
Yeah, you know it's a song thatyou can listen to.
I mean, you can listen to thatone too.
It's Try them Small Town but Idon't know.
There's something that justfeels like in 20 years it's
still going to stand the test oftime 100%, and it plays that
way on stage.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
It does about you much like I hope it rains uh,
timeless classic I'm gonna framethis when I get home?
No, my current favorite stillis uh, try that in small town.
Just because I mean one.
It's the first thing we allfour ever wrote I didn't even
know these guys at all I knewneil and so we all got to be

(42:53):
buddies and write that andaldine recorded it and did an
amazing job on it and it createdthis, you know.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Sure, well, there was a lot of buzz around that song,
you know.
Yeah, I think it was great.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Went from that and now, once a week, we're here
recording these things, makingno money at all.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
So it's pretty amazing, but you enjoy doing it,
I do enjoy.
It yes, and that's what everypodcast is.
I remember in the beginning Iheart was like you know, you're
not going to make a lot of moneythe first couple of years, but
if it's something you enjoydoing, you know, keep showing up
.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
And then how many times?

Speaker 2 (43:31):
how many times do you think about quitting now?
No, no, no, no, when you start,oh then, oh, actually I was, so
you know getting paid.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Yeah, you know.
And.

Speaker 6 (43:36):
You have to hang in.
What's that?

Speaker 4 (43:37):
like, let's talk about that.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Let's talk about that for a minute.
So when do you think that'sgoing to happen for us?
Are we really far?

Speaker 4 (43:45):
In your best judgment .
Yeah, because this is episode71.

Speaker 5 (43:49):
Yeah, we're making tens of dollars.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah, so we're not paying anything, but again, it's
your you know, whoever'slistening is going to help
someone and give them someenjoyment for the day.
So it's good you guys areshowing up and doing it.
I think it's great.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
Let me ask a question , for I know all of our wives.
You have a Christmas moviecoming out I do Talk a little
bit about that, and you've beenin a few Christmas movies.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Right, I have been in probably every state of a
Christmas movie titled yeah, isthat something that I mean?
Movies?
Right, I have been in probablyevery state of a christmas movie
titled um, yeah, is thatsomething that I mean?

Speaker 5 (44:19):
are you a huge christmas person?
Obviously, I mean I love.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
I love christmas and those movies are are great.
I mean family friendly, soawesome they're like.
I just wrapped one.
It was a karen kingsbury novelcalled the christmas ring.
It's with kelsey grammar benhollingsworth from virgin river.
Um, that's cool.
He was fantastic Like thenicest dude and it's great and I
love, love, love doing it.

(44:42):
But I had just recently testedand lost on a show that it was a
very big spinoff show I wasreally bummed about.
I also was pinned for theHunting Wives and a lot of
people are like oh, I could seeyou in that.
I was like thank you.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Yeah, Jim, what's the laughter for Good laugh?

Speaker 2 (45:03):
It goes to this full circle, though, of I love acting
so much and that show is wild.
So many people are like, oh,I'm so glad you didn't do it
because it's so risque, and sothis.
I'm like, yeah, but it wouldhave been so fun to just be this
crazy character and have a hellof a time, but it's, you know,

(45:23):
it's a lot.
I'm not allowed to watch it so Ithink it's nice to have the
balance of doing fun stuff likethat and then going to go do
these Christmas movies.
So I did.
I actually did two Christmasmovies this year.
One was with Martin Sheen.
That's called the One That'llcome out later this year as well
.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Martin Sheen.
So how old is he now?
90s right 70s, 80s.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Watch everybody hung up on how old somebody is.
I think he's in his 80s, 80s.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
okay, he's got to be at least in his 80s.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
He's lovely, like was really fun.
And then I've got two otherones um that I did uh one with
steve gutenberg.
Uh, that came out earlier thisyear.

Speaker 5 (45:59):
And then are these?
Are any of them theater, or arethey straight like christmas?

Speaker 2 (46:04):
ring will be november 6th in theaters, so that's
awesome.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Yeah, so that'll be great christmas ring the
christmas ring, like it.
It's fun.
So it's fun like I like to playthose characters.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
It's, but I'm ready to juice it up with something
different.
I got a really cool thrillerthat I'm filming next year, so
I'm excited about that youalready booked for it.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
I already got booked the offer for it.
Can you tell us anything aboutit?

Speaker 4 (46:27):
Oh, it's so good I wish I could, but I cannot.
Is your character a crazy one,or are you a victim?

Speaker 2 (46:31):
A little bit of both.
Yeah, so that'll be anothertheaters one.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
I'm really excited about that one cool.
So kelsey graham, I would havejust sat around asking him to
tell us, like fraser stories.
Yeah, he had some good ones.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Now I'm like blanking on some of them.
But uh, he, he was so nice,like just lovely to everybody.
You just never know when youmeet someone like that same with
when I was working with martin,but couldn't, couldn't be nicer
lovely.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Cool.
The other night Kevin James wasat the show.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
And me and Rich the drummer, like never.
We probably watched King ofQueens 100 times each season,
you know.
So he was hanging out and wewent total fan.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
Yeah, it was awesome Kurt's like what are you guys
doing?
He's like you remember theepisode where he did this.
He's like well, you guys reallylike the show.
And he's like actually I don'tremember that.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
I was like Rich, maybe we're coming a little hot,
Rich maybe, but he wasfantastic.
But guys like Kelsey Grammer,who I've watched those shows,
grew up with some of that stuffyou know.
So it's really, really cool yougot to do that.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Yeah, it's pretty neat.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
Neil Lana said you might have some.
What is it?
Yes or no?
No, I think it was either ors.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Either ors California or Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Tennessee.
God, that was quick.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
I mean, I agree.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
I'm a Michigan girl at heart.
I love.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
I don't know if she's going to say this one acting or
singing?
Acting, yeah, nfl or collegenfl?
Yes, right knew it.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Go lions no college football interest at all.
No team okay.
Michigan.
When jim harbaugh was there Iwatched every game, cried when
they won like it was really.
But now I'm good, I don't careto watch another one oh, I liked
jim being there at michigan.
I thought it was great.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
Wow Coming in strong Okay.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
Good one.

Speaker 5 (48:20):
What else is on the list Go?

Speaker 1 (48:21):
on Steak or chicken.
Steak Medium I like it Night inor night out.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
In.
I'm a homebody, last one.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Love it George Strait or George Clooney.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Strait.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
Are you just saying that because of our audience?

Speaker 2 (48:38):
No.
I love George Strait and he'slovely, one of my really good
friends' dad is best friendswith him and he's awesome.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
He's a super guy.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
What about?
You can give me somebody else,though, and I could yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:50):
No, I'm thinking about other either-ors Coffee or
tea.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Tea.
I don't drink coffee.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
No caffeine at all.
No caffeine at all.
I knew there was somethingwrong with you.
Why Hold on?

Speaker 2 (49:01):
No caffeine, really bad anxiety I used to have.
Okay, and so yeah, I just Istopped when I was 19.
What?

Speaker 3 (49:09):
How do you get the energy in the morning?

Speaker 2 (49:11):
I do lemon water.
I'm confused, like warm lemonwater.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Warm lemon water.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
That's not going to do it, that does not sound fun.
Sometimes I'll do a littlegreen tea, but that's rare, do?

Speaker 4 (49:19):
you have a vice.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Do I have a vice?

Speaker 4 (49:21):
Yeah, Like give us something to make us feel
comfortable.
I am psycho with cleaning.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
No, no no, my husband will say that's a major
Yesterday I was losing.
I'm like why is this likebaseboard so dirty and stop
giving him the sippy cup of thesmoothie that goes on.
I just cleaning is the onlything that I feel like I can
control.

Speaker 5 (49:41):
So it's like I like a really clean house.
I don't like that answer.
It's like somebody saying tellme something bad about you, I'm
just too nice to everybody.
No, but that's a good answer onthe control thing.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
Yeah.
Does that mean?
Like wine or sugar or anythinglike that.
Do you drink wine every night?
I love wine.
You have a wine, right?
I used to have a wine.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (50:00):
I used to have a wine .

Speaker 2 (50:00):
But no, I do.
I would pick wine.
I like wine, but I'm a vice.
Oh man, I used to have a tonbut I did a lot of therapy.

Speaker 5 (50:10):
Okay, oh, that's it.
I think she's saying we need togo.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
That does remind me of it because you did talk about
therapy a lot.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
A ton of therapy.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
Actually, I haven't finished it yet.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Oh, okay, here's my advice.
Can I say this?
Sorry, what's the word?
Oh gosh when I say something,but I like what's come on.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
Sounds like.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Oh, you didn't pick that up.

Speaker 5 (50:36):
Oh, you're passive aggressive.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Oh sorry, I said that way too quick on it, okay, yeah
, all right, I'm working on itstill not really before, before
we got married, I mean, I couldcare less where anything was, or
if anything was labeled, orwhere you well, we're mandatory
or anything like that.
Then I found myself abouthalfway through.

(51:00):
I felt guilty if I closed therefrigerator door and I noticed
a water bottle with the label onit.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
It looks like a studio set.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
I'd go back and open it and turn it.

Speaker 5 (51:12):
That's OCD.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
I've also helped her too, she's not as anal, as she
used to be Anal backwardslanguage it.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
I appreciate fully.
She's not as anal as she usedto be.
Yeah, Anal backwards.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Language.
It's two anals yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Nobody ever knew that did they?

Speaker 5 (51:24):
No, she loves that.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Well, people, I have my little plaque up in my office
, and so Jana backwards lookslike anal too.

Speaker 6 (51:33):
Yeah, and so everyone whenever I'm doing a story from
my office but sorry, I didn'tmean to cut you off, billy oh no
but you're really fighting foradvice there.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
But you were talking about, uh, like therapists,
stuff like that, and you're veryopen about everything you know,
which is uh refreshing.
And and I it reminded me a songthat I'm working on I hadn't
got anybody to to write it yet,um, but it's called are you
seeing anyone?
But that's the kind of aquestion you should ask somebody
, like when you first startdating someone.
So are you seeing someone?
No, no, you really should beseeing someone.

(52:00):
Therapist.
You know, like there's a funnysong like a therapist thing.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I like that.
Anyway, it's tracking like Ihope it rains, there you go.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
No, I hadn't pitched it to him yet.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
You don't have a lyric already to pass out.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
You know, because I did this podcast, can you guys
pro bono me and we can write asong and get me back up on the.

Speaker 5 (52:19):
I like your TikTok idea.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
I do too.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
I think that's great Does anybody have TikTok?

Speaker 2 (52:25):
I need a real heartfelt song.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Love you, thanks.
Are you serious Are?

Speaker 4 (52:31):
you serious, clark?
Yeah, are you serious?
I need a song.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
I don't have a song for next year.
I'm going to release the Leeand Jared one and then I need
another one.
I usually do like two a year.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
She'd be back on tour .
We know some guys.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
I like it.

Speaker 5 (52:44):
We need the exact description of what you need.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
All right, something that hurts the soul, but it's
like.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
Something that hurts Okay.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
But positive in the end a good movie.

Speaker 5 (53:00):
I like it like a good movie.
Uh, all right, leave somebodywith the ms.
Who else got something?

Speaker 4 (53:01):
anybody got something good.
I wanted to know like this goesback to the one tree deal.
Thing because I, uh, I watchedit late.
We made my wife startedwatching it, or she'd already
seen it a bunch of times, butmaybe three years ago.
So, lucas, like I always didn'tlike like him because he's to
me, he pouted a lot, you, youknow, like between him and
Nathan.
I know that's their character'sname.
But who did you like the best?
Were they everybody kind ofcool or no?

Speaker 2 (53:24):
So I was on the season after Lucas left, those
seasons after him.
So Nathan, obviously well, I'msaying his name.
James Lafferty's character, Iliked him the most, but I
actually didn't even know theywere brothers until after the
show, like that's how much Ididn't know about anything until
after the show, because I justkind of read you know my
storylines and this and that,but yeah, but I like Nathan

(53:48):
better yeah, me too, now thatI've watched a few.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Yeah, we need to talk about feel free, don't touch
that.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
I was told, because sometimes I don't as much
anymore, but I used to have and,honestly, all stem from gut.
So I had PTSD back in the day,right.
So I was on medication foryears for anxiety like years and
years and years.
And then when I got divorced,some most of my anxiety went
away, but there were still someanxiety that I still had.

(54:18):
And then I did this full-on gutcleanse and realized that
that's because it's allconnected, right.
So they say 70 of anxiety isactually from your, from your
gut.
It might even be more, but, um,my guy said that that is also
helpful, like if I was to have a, a moment of some anxiety.
And I've I've used them onplanes before for this, for
anxiety?

Speaker 5 (54:37):
Yeah, no way Okay.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
So I did.
This is great.
I did a couple of those bottles, I mean.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
I just do half of it though, so I do like one half.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
Maybe that's a good well, one half is a serving yeah
.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Like half of the bottle is a.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Really I used to do one.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
It doesn't have like L-thean.
Can I say it again?
It's been a minute since I'vetaken it.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
He used to give me one of these per night and I
would do it and I'd get reallyjacked up.
And then I started doing two.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
And then oh kava, Ooh .
Yeah, it's kind of a stimulantand a depressant at the same
time.
It does say do not exceed twoounces in a 24-hour period.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
That's what it says.
It always says you can't get itunless you're 21, and we know
there's a lot of people.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
You should have told me that it also says it will
make your skin scaly.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
But that's not true.
I'm not scaly A few scales, no,but I did some research on that
because they have been bustingme on this.
I did it because I was tryingto cut back on calories and wine
consumption.
Sure, so in the evenings itgives you something, it wakes
you up a little bit.
It's like you get a littlesleepy in the afternoons, yeah,
but it definitely helps and it'snatural and everything.
And then they did some researchand said all the bad stuff

(55:47):
about it, which I'm not sayingit's a health product.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
It could be beneficial if used the right way
.
What does the word natural?

Speaker 4 (55:54):
actually mean, but the people are having major
problems where people having 12or more in a day and they're
hooked on it and spending threeto four, yeah, that would be
about a month, so I can see whythat would be an issue yeah.
So it's like anything, if youdo too much, probably wouldn't
be too good.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
Too much water everything in moderation wow,
well said all right, neil, yougot anything?
No, I'm just gonna read theingredients.
Yeah, no, no.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
I don't know what to believe anymore, about anything.
Isn't that true?

Speaker 2 (56:22):
I don't.
All you have to know is what'son your four walls.
That's about all you need toknow.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
Amen, wow, see how she left us.
That's good, that's great.
Boom, we've got to thank Janafor being here.
You know it's a different crowdfor you.
I guess this is weird, likeyour podcast, is it usually?

Speaker 2 (56:39):
girls yeah, mostly girls, but it's fine, I like
that stepping out a little bit.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Yeah, oh, and we do need to thank our buddy uh nick
woodard uh, and jim actuallyreconnected me with nick woodard
is that the connection?
Yes, because yeah, nick's anold friend of mine and I, um,
and he's a realtor verysuccessful realtor here in
Middle Tennessee and I bought acouple of houses with him years
ago.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Anyway, we got connected and that's how we got
in touch with you.
He was my music manager andthen she became my day-to-day
life, everything.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
Oh, wow, yeah, and he's got a podcast like the 615
or something like that.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Well, thank you.
Nick yeah, thank you, nick yeahthank you, nick, no doubt
thanks for having me on and Iseriously, you guys, better
write me a song okay, we're incareful what you work on it
absolutely, yeah, alright, janaGrammer.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
Thank you so much.
I know I'm like a little, youknow artist you got all these
like number one.

Speaker 6 (57:29):
Jason O'Dea.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
I get it, I get.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
I feel like I'll end with this.
I feel like, actually, thetiming and you've got all these
movies going on.
I feel like now the opposite'strue.
I think having a hit as anactor and an artist will
coincide.
Now that's what we should do,right?
The single, the big hit, that'swhat I think is going to happen
.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Okay, if it's a hit, we'll take the credit.
If it's not, it's your fault,we'll take the credit.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
If it's not, it's your fault, we'll blame the
label You're used to it Sign meup, I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
You didn't perform well enough on our podcast which
is the reason why the I felttoo flat.
It's fine, Jenna thanks so muchfor being here.
Thanks for having me, guys, weappreciate you.
Thank you very much, thank you.
All right, well, that waspretty cool.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
She's great.
I thought she was great.
She's brought the cover.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
a lot of ground to cover, she's doing a lot.

Speaker 5 (58:20):
She's doing a lot, she's got.
She said she did.
I don't know if she said thison air or in between, when we
were at break.
She did like four movies thisyear.
I mean, she's busy.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
That's crazy busy.

Speaker 4 (58:39):
Crazy busy.

Speaker 6 (58:39):
She's got kids and I don't know that's a lot to do,
and she records three podcasts aweek.
She says she does it all in oneday, though.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
Yeah, but that's just hers, but she does everybody's
podcast.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
That's crazy, but I'm sure this is the top of her
list, without a doubt.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
There's no doubt.
There's no doubt.
This is the pinnacle.
No telling what she canceled tocome on here.
No telling the pinnacle.

Speaker 5 (59:01):
No telling what she canceled to come on here.
No telling I forgot, did we?
We didn't ask this or you did?
You asked her california,tennessee, because I wanted to
ask her even more in depth aboutthe uh change, because she I
think she was here in tennesseeduring her country career.
She went back out to californiaand then, I think, around covid
she came back.
It was like I gotta get out.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
When she did the either or on california, she in
tennessee, it didn't splitsecond.
She interrupted me, tennesseetennessee yeah, immediate.

Speaker 5 (59:26):
Everybody is now everybody's moving here neil, I
like your little either, or youshould uh that that should be
one of your things I'm asongwriter.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
I'll try to come up with more.
Yeah, I'll try to create somemore either-ors.

Speaker 5 (59:38):
Either-or I like the either-or.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Yeah we can.
Did you spend a lot of time onthat?
I actually did on the way overI will say I was a little

Speaker 3 (59:47):
stunned that you sidestepped the question.
Oh, yes, oh.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
I was a little, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
Maybe you had something different to eat or
maybe no.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
What was the question ?

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
you were talking about.
I was a little disappointed.
I was a little least favoriteartist or something.
Yeah, I too was.
I was a little disappointed.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Not, it's your right not to say I was just my, my
image of you and what I, I knowand, I'm sorry, believe in and
how you are.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
I'm so sorry I'm not getting soft.
Don't get, don't, are you sure?
Yeah, I'm not getting soft.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Did someone say something to you that made?

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
you feel bad?

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
No, did an amazing DV get to you?

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Yes, he broke through the Iron man, the 10.
Is it crap?
Amazing, dv broke me.
He may have, but I did noticewhen she asked it I was a little
taken aback that you Hold on,did she?

Speaker 5 (01:00:36):
bring it up.
Yeah, she asked.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Neil who he didn't like, and he did not answer.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
I thought it was you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
No, it was her and we went along and we said, oh, if
there's any one of us that'llname it.
It'll be Thrash, because hehates everything and he just sat
there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
He just sat there and then he didn't answer and it's
almost like he was running foroffice.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
Well, maybe there's something there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Maybe, and then someone asked a tough question
and he spun it and then didn'tanswer it and I was a little
surprised Not that you have toanswer it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Marsha Blackburn asked me to be lieutenant
governor.

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
Okay, That'd be amazing.
You'd be an awesome lieutenantgovernor.
I don't even know what theresponsibilities are, but you'd
be amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
I wonder how many people out there are actually
going to believe what I justsaid.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Do you think it was because a woman asked you who
you didn't like?
Were you scared to say yeah,probably.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
That probably had a little bit to do with it, I mean
, and I should have thought ofMaren Morris right off the bat.
Even though Maren Morris is afantastic singer, her you know
ideology is on another planet.
I don't even think anyone evencares, she's so off the radar?

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
They probably don't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
They probably don't you know, Her record sold like
three copies, I doubt she gotgroped?
I really don't think she gotgroped.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
Probably little kid actually accidentally, so you
guys, you, you started to talk.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
There was an incident at a.
She says that she was groped ata, which she posted a like on
social media.
Like I want to let you know Iwas groped, like come on, I'm
gonna use it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
I'm gonna start using it.
I gotta let you put it outthere.
I was gross, was that the word?
And that's what she used.
Her out Groped.
That's what she used, groped orharassed.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Yeah, groped or something like that.
It's like oh, come on, I meanseriously.
It's possible, it's fine.
I mean just who cares.

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
By the time this airs , this will be five days old,
but breaking news Taylor Swiftand Travis Kelsey got engaged.
You guys Great.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
He'll have like five catches this year.
He's off my drop kings for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
He just lost your fantasy stance.

Speaker 5 (01:02:41):
I'm going to text him .

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
That was going to be big news.

Speaker 5 (01:02:43):
No, no, no.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
That would be huge.

Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
They're just engaged.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
I hope that they love each other.
I really do.

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
They seem like they do.
I hope they do too, I hope atlast.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
I would love last between those two.

Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
Wait a minute, you're a different Neil today.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
It's like imposter, neil Bizarro.
Neil, where are you?
Did you drink or not drink?
Something Did you drink or notdrink something.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
What is going on with you?
Seriously, there's hope.
You seem very mellow Really.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
And you're not aggressive.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
Yeah, you're mellow and not angry and it's freaking
me out.
It's coming back.
It'll be back, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Something's weird.
Give me a break.
Give me a day to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Maybe it's the earlier podcast, like the
daytime thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
I'm diving into Scripture a little bit, not a
little bit a lot of it, okay,but not that I haven't been
before.
So you were looking at yourstuff.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Huh, you were looking at yourself.
Some inner stuff, some zen,weird shit or something.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
No, no zen, definitely no zen.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
You start to read it and you think maybe I am an
asshole.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
I think the amazing, I think he got to him.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
No, I know I'm an asshole.

Speaker 6 (01:03:51):
I think he got to him .

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
I know I'm an asshole , oh my God.

Speaker 6 (01:03:56):
Trust me, you're not.
Here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Being honest is not a bad thing.
People have a hard time withhonesty.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Yeah, I agree, I'm all about being truthful and
honest.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
People have a hard time hearing the truth.

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
You are two of the most truthful people I know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
I love it.
I couldn't think of anybodythat I wanted to throw under the
bus instantly.
It happened quick.
Now.
I didn't think of anybody thatI wanted to throw under the bus
Instantly.
It happened quick.

Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
Now you're not being truthful it did.
You got blindsided a little bit, I did.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
I got blindsided because I was really trying to
think of somebody that I don'tlike.
There's a lot of them, but Iprobably don't need to throw
that one under the bus justquite yet.
Who was it?
Well, I for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
I mean there's reasons why that you wouldn't
like.
I wouldn't throw any artistunder the bus that I didn't like
, because I currently want to beon anybody's record that has a
chance to get to radio.

Speaker 5 (01:04:46):
Come on, just name one not really.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
I really don't have anybody that I I don't listen to
radio enough to be despised byanybody okay, I guarantee it
wouldn't be mine, wouldn't be inthe country field, it wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
It would be in the, probably in the in the pop
doesn't count or the rap,because you don't know them.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
That's true anyway, all right, I don't think I would
throw anybody I know, under thebus though either no well, I
mean no well, it's good to be.
Everybody loves us.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
So yeah, yeah, uh, we need to make sure we thank
janna again she's got a lot ofthings she could be doing, and
today probably wasn't on the topof her list of things she was
wanting to do.

Speaker 6 (01:05:22):
I'm sure she can't wait to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
She was here and that was awesome.
She was incredible.
I thought that was a lot of fun.
She was.
Leave us a comment.
Let us know what you thoughtabout Jana.
Let us know who your leastfavorite country artist might be
or pop artist that wasfantastic.
Leave us least favorite countryartist might be or pop artist.
That was fantastic.
Leave us a review.
Download the episode.
Do all the stuff.
Follow us on insta x, tiktok,myspace there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
Did you guys have myspace?
Did you guys have?

Speaker 5 (01:05:51):
myspace facebook.
Yeah, you did have a myspace,we had a myspace.
Yeah, I had a myspace yeah, Ididn't have it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
I barely have a Facebook.

Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
Anyway, obviously we want to thank Patriot, Mobile,
espaces, original Glory.
Those guys are always amazingto us.
We appreciate them all.
We appreciate Janet Kramer.
I appreciate TK K-Lo Thrash.
I'm Kurt and Kurt.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
This is the Try, that Small Town Podcast.
What's up?
We're back to Kurt.
I don't know what we're back toAll right, call me what you
want, how about?

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
good-looking guy in a white T-shirt.

Speaker 5 (01:06:23):
I'll call him that, me and you.

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