Inauguration Day, Absurd Medal of Freedom Recipients and New Songwriters :: Try That in a Small Town Podcast

What if your wildest wardrobe choice could make the night unforgettable? As we gear up for the Inauguration Day celebrations in Washington, D.C., we're caught in a hilarious debate over donning our "Dumb and Dumber" suits for a "grand ball" performance. Amidst the laughter, the episode also explores the intricacies of our creative processes, from songwriting to pitching ideas to Taylor Sheridan's hit shows. With a nod to NFL enthusiasts, we share our admiration for Dan Campbell and the camaraderie he brings to the Detroit Lions, despite not being the biggest football fanatics ourselves.

Heroism takes center stage as we pay tribute to Nick Bostic, a small-town hero whose courage and selflessness remind us of the everyday bravery often overlooked. We dive into heartfelt discussions about the importance of recognizing and honoring such acts, inviting listeners to share similar stories from their own communities. 

Rounding off, our episode ventures into the evolving landscape of the music industry, exploring the shifting perspectives among young artists and songwriters. With the influence of social media and streaming platforms reshaping success, we reflect on the disconnect between new and seasoned songwriters, emphasizing the lasting importance of legacy and understanding one's roots. As we embrace the energy of "Come alive in 25," expect an exciting lineup of guests and topics that will keep you engaged and entertained throughout the year.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This episode will air January 20th, which is a
significant day.
It is Inauguration Day.
Tully and I will be there in DCfor the inauguration.
We're doing one of the ballsthat night, which is going to be
the Grand Ball.
Is it the Grand Ball?
No, it should be called theGrand.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Ball.
It might be called the GrandBall.
It will be grand it will be.
But we get to do this ball.
It might be called the grandball.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
It will be grand it will be, but we get to do this
ball.
It's pretty awesome, right.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
You guys get to go do that.
It's amazing.
Should we wear our Dumb andDumber suits?
I would love to you know you'renot going to hit a smash every
time you write a movie.
It's like writing a song.
You're not going to write asmash every time.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
And he's on fire.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
But he's good, he's really good.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
He knows what he wants.
Most of the time, he writes agood one.
You know what we should do.
We should be pitching songs toTaylor Sheridan for his shows.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
But you know what Good idea Hold on.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
You don't think we should be?
No, we should be.
Okay.
How about Dan Campbell and theLions?
Everybody's got to be a fan ofthat team, right?
Who is not a fan of DanCampbell?
You guys don't watch NFL, doyou?

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yes, absolutely.
I don't watch that much.
I watch football.
I mean, we're college guys, butwe do.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
That's a good organization to root for, to me.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
I mean, that's a football team.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Anybody in the NFL can just watch the team play and
then go follow them into thelocker room and see what's going
on in the locker room, see whatthe vibe's like, see what the
atmosphere and the air's like inthe locker room.
It's all you've got to do inthe NFL.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
The Try that in a Small Town podcast begins now.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Wow, yeah, bring us on.
Here we are, we're back.
Are we ready to roll?
James, james, you look good.
Did you have some eggnog thisyear?
Oh, about eight bottles of it.
Really.
You got any left over?
I do, I think I do.
Well, you know what?
My question to you guys whathappened to your?

Speaker 1 (02:00):
voice it got really high, hey, listen.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
This is my broadcast voice.
I'm learning from Jim.
Hey, do y'all have any EvanWilliams eggnog left over?
I have a bottle left.
You do yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I have no bottles left.
You have none, yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:18):
Last bottle I had, I brought here shared it with you
guys, and that was the last oneI had.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Really All right and that was the last one I had
Really All right.
I think I've got four bottlesleft and my question was Also.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Now I have a bottle left right.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Well, y'all are going to leave with a parting gift
tonight.
Okay, Ooh, yeah.
You can celebrate with eggnogall year long, especially hey
that sounds good right now.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
I would love a glass of that right now.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
You would, wouldn't you?

Speaker 6 (02:40):
Yeah the spirit of breath left you.
It's cold outside, can we?
Have some Gotta go home.
I don't know, hey Wade, it'scold outside we have some, you
know what.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
I'll have my little minion run downstairs and get
you a glass.

Speaker 6 (02:56):
Let's wait for the break.
It's like Kamala.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Harris all your accents.
It's Kamala.

Speaker 6 (03:01):
You never know what's going to come out of here what
is it Kamala?
No, it's Kamala, it's Kamala,it is.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Kamala hey look, look , I got a question.

Speaker 6 (03:08):
Or it was Kamala.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Y'all get off the eggnog story.
I got to get you before you getoff the eggnog.
How long does it?
How long is the shelf life onEvan Williams' eggnog?
That's my, If you don't open it.
There's got to be a shelf life.
It's good until next year, Idon't know.

Speaker 6 (03:26):
It's got a little bit of dairy in there.
If you open it, I bet it tellsyou to drink it within so many
days, really.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Yeah, because I can't find a date on it.

Speaker 6 (03:36):
It doesn't last that long.
Anyway, I can't find a date onit.
I wonder if people think we'redrunks.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
No, no, it's a possible, possible, they don't,
they don't.
Hey, welcome back to thepodcast.
Yeah, this is a small townpodcast.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
We are at the patriot mobile studios uh, hopefully
drinking some evan williams andit does sound amazing right now
it always sounds amazing I'llthrow it out there again let's
start at least by saying happynew year, kurt

Speaker 3 (04:04):
we're way past that.
We did it.

Speaker 6 (04:06):
We did it.
Come on, we're still in themonth of January.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
So right, let's have this quick, very quick
discussion.
Oh good, my cutoff date is aweek, five days, actually Fifth
Five days.
Everybody's got a cutoff date.

Speaker 6 (04:27):
When's yours?
We talked about this a littlebit before coming on.
But the music industry westarted back on the 6th, which
was monday, so I would take thatall the way to friday because
we hadn't seen people since theholidays.
So when we came in here, youknow tonight if I didn't know
that you'd get angry for mesaying happy new year I would
have said happy new year, buddy.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
It doesn't make sense though.
Like what is what if the firsttime you see somebody is in?

Speaker 6 (04:48):
February, but it's not, it's the seventh, like
right now it's a seven.
So you have a two week graceperiod, not necessarily, no, now
, if I came back to work weekwhen I hadn't seen anybody from
the holidays, and that's where Iwould let me ask you this

(05:09):
Tully's birthday is April 13th.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Very good, I know, impressive right.
This is different, so Tully'sbirthday comes around.
Happy birthday, tully.

Speaker 6 (05:19):
Right, right.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Maybe you see him the next day.
You go hey, happy birthday, Ihope you had a good birthday.
At what point do you stopsaying it's April 28th?
Happy birthday, Tully.
It's a legitimate point.

Speaker 6 (05:32):
No, it's different because Tully's birthday is so
much smaller?
No, it's not doing a new year?
It's really not.
It's a new year for Tully, Iknow, but that's just one person
.
This is the whole world justone person.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
This is the whole world.
Well, god right.
Well, here's.
Here's the main problem.
Do you have a response?
I mean, this is all silly to meanyway, because I'm gonna you
get a week regardless, becauseyou don't have to say happy new
year to someone anyway I agree.
You don't have to say this I sayif you see, if I see someone on
the third getting coffee,someone I don't know, I might

(06:09):
say Happy New Year, because Ifeel it in the first week, yeah,
but just if I see someone Iknow on the 12th or the 8th, I'm
not saying it.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
You don't have to say Happy New Year just because you
know the person.
You're right, you're right.
I don't ever say it.
I never return fire ever.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
I mean if they say, if they say happy new year, I'll
say roll tide or something youknow, like that I've never.

Speaker 6 (06:33):
That's actually great oh is it rolled?
I thought it was hot hot time.
Yeah, they're right commercial,that's great.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
I don't say I've never.
I've never said happy new yearback, I just don it feels.
I don't.
I feel uncomfortable saying it.

Speaker 6 (06:46):
I don't think we really say it as much as we do.
We text it Happy New Year.
We text it and email it Getyour shit together Now the
iPhones have you noticed if youput Happy New Year in.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
I love it.
Love the fireworks.

Speaker 6 (06:57):
Fantastic, you do.
Yeah, you got to be.
It's Happy New Year, noexclamation points.
How?

Speaker 3 (07:05):
do you even do that?
I don't even know where to findthat on my phone.
How do you?

Speaker 1 (07:08):
do that.
Do you think people have turnedthis off yet?

Speaker 3 (07:10):
No, no, no, we're great.
They love us.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Hey, so let's go to this.
This episode will air January20, which is a significant day.
It is Inauguration Day.
Tully and I will be there in DCfor the inauguration.
We're doing one of the ballsthat night, which is going to be
the Grand Ball.
Is it the Grand Ball?

(07:34):
No, it should be called theGrand Ball.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
It might be called the Grand Ball.
It will be grand, it will be.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
But we get to do this ball.
It's pretty awesome, right.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
You guys, but we get to do this ball.
It's pretty awesome, right, youguys get to go do that.
It's amazing.
Should we wear our dumb anddumber suits?
I?

Speaker 1 (07:49):
would love to.
It is a black tie event.
I don't really have a black tie.
What are you gonna?

Speaker 2 (07:53):
wear.
I have a black.
It's a black leather jacketevent for me, my standard, you
know um what do you guys think?

Speaker 1 (08:01):
it's like we're the band, but it is a black tie
event.
So what's the protocol?
What are you supposed to?
It's like we're the band, butit is a black tie event.
So what's the protocol?
What are you supposed to do?

Speaker 4 (08:07):
We're wearing what we wear.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
I'll post pictures and give pictures to Jim.
The year that I did it I did it.
I got to perform at theVeterans Ball on Trump's first
inauguration.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
That's right.
Eight years ago.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
I looked like I was in the mafia, but it was
fantastic.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Why did you look like you were in the mafia?
I?

Speaker 3 (08:29):
had my hair all slicked back and I was in black
tux.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
It was, I looked good .
Was that a phase you were goingthrough or was it just a
special?
No, no, no, I was just.
I was trying to veterans.
It was fantastic.
We play with gary labox, me andwendell mobley.
That had to be amazing.
It was.
It was absolutely amazing.

(08:52):
That's incredible.
We're, I gotta tell you we'relooking forward to it.
It's gonna be.
It is like a once in a lifetimething, right?
Yeah, it doesn't like.
This is put aside politics soyou get to play for the at the
presidential inauguration.
It's pretty awesome, absolutely.
And quick backstory this iscool.
Tully knows this.
My dad, uh, is a musician, washis whole life.
40 years ago to the day, 1984,he played reagan's inaugural

(09:15):
ball.
Wow, that's amazing, yep that'samazing.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
It's pretty amazing, right?
So?

Speaker 1 (09:20):
awesome.
So 40 years later, I'm gonna bedoing it, and it's pretty cool
that we'll be able to have that.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
I can't wait for the story when y'all get back.
I can't wait to hear what yousaw, what you heard, how it was.
It'll be great.
Yeah, it's going to be a lot offun.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Do y'all have to wear tuxes?

Speaker 1 (09:36):
We'll see cash.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
We'll see cash out there.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
We'll see a lot of our friends.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Y'all going to have to wear tuxes, right, no, I
don't think we're wearing tuxes.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
They're artists, we get to wear our version of a tux
, which is boots, jeans, blackt-shirt, black leather coat.
You'll wear the version Al.
Dean tells you to wear.
That's the version we'rewearing.
He's not going to wear a tux,but will the leather be extra
squeaky Because it's going to bereally tight after the holidays
.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
We'll be like super squeaky.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
It's really hard to do what we do up there in a tux
man.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, it is that stance.
It's hard.
The A-frame doesn't really work.
No, you're exactly right.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, but we will be.
We're going to look good, weknow that.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
There's no doubt about that, that's a given,
that's a given.

Speaker 6 (10:33):
Neil, when you were playing there because Wade
mentioned it earlier and Iremember it at that event didn't
you have some really specialwhiskey?
Oh like really special whiskeyoh, you're talking about the uh,
the dinner with the americanlegion.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah, yes, yeah, can you tell me, because I'm not
sure if you've told that fully.

Speaker 6 (10:51):
I can't remember if I ever told that story on here I
don't think you remember much ofany of it, so but when you say
special whiskey.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Are you alluding to the special whiskey?
It?

Speaker 3 (10:59):
must have been some real, real old pappy.
Okay, because I, because we'resitting at this table and we're
at Del Frisco's in the privateroom upstairs and there's
probably 50 people up there.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Give people a real quick thing.
What Pappy Van Winkle is.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
It's a high dollar old rare hard to get whiskey
there.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
It's almost impossible to get Real nice Very
expensive.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
They may call it bourbon, I call it whiskey, I
don't know, but all you gottaknow is the word pappy van
winkle.
So we're sitting there, we'dalready had dinner and everybody
already had drinks andeverybody's full and we're
laughing and we're talking andI'm at the end of the table
talking to the.
I'm not at the end, I'm on thelike the longest side of the
table but on the end talking tothe head of the American Legion,

(11:43):
who's sitting at the head ofthe table.
Everybody has already drank alittle bit, but we're civilized
and everything's good andeverybody's happy.
And all of a sudden these twoguys walk in with tuxedos,
speaking of tuxes, but they hadwhite gloves on and they're
carrying these bottles.
So for them to be wearinggloves, it must be really rare,

(12:06):
Like white gloves yes.
It must be expensive.
Whatever bottle they'rebringing in, it's got to be
expensive.
So they come in and I'm notreally paying attention.
Everybody looks at them andthey apparently pop them pour a
glass about this size or regularsize whiskey glass and they
poured about half full and handit to the guy at the end on the

(12:27):
other end and it makes its wayaround.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
This one glass makes its way around.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah it makes its way around Like they're going to
let everybody sip on it.
I mean, we're drinking, that'spre-COVID, everybody's drinking
after each other.
And so it makes it to me andapparently my wife is sitting on
my left and she taps me on theshoulder and I'm talking to the
head over here and she taps meand hands me this glass and I
just smoke it.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Where are you in line ?

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Like how many down?
I didn't even think.
Well, apparently nobody haddrank any, because the glass was
still half full.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Of course you did.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
I just took it I just grabbed it in mid-conversation
and just smoked it Boom and Islammed it on the table and I
went back to talking to her.
Well, anyway.
Yeah well anyway, and the roomwent quiet and I kind of turned
around real slow and I'm likewhat, what?

(13:23):
And they go, dude, and Ithought they were looking at me
because it was so expensive andI just smoked it.
I don't know how much thatglass was worth, it was a $500
glass of whiskey or whatever itwas.
And I said what?
And then somebody I don'tremember who it was they go,
dude, that's 144 proof.

(13:43):
And I went what?
And then somebody I don'tremember who it was they go,
dude, that's 144 proof.

Speaker 6 (13:45):
And I went well, no, that was 144.
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
And I said, on top of everything else, I'd had to
drink that evening.
I just said, well, we'refitting to find out what I'm
made of.
And the night went on and we'retalking Go ahead and get that.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
I know we got a little Latin music or something.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
No, it's probably the head of the American Legion and
I don't know.
About 20 minutes later, I startfeeling like I'm not, but I
start feeling like I'm sinkinginto the floor of the room and
I'm going through my chair.
I'm not drunk, I'm just heavy.
That's the room and I'm goingthrough my chair.
I'm not drunk, I'm just heavy.
That's what he gives he saysthat so many times.

Speaker 6 (14:27):
He goes K-Lo.
And I wasn't even drunk, I wasjust heavy, I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
And I looked over at Lanner real slow and I go, I
feel so heavy, I just kept going.
And then about that time thedinner was over and everything
was over and I just kind ofstood up and I just peeled
myself.
I wasn't stumbling or nothing.
It was amazing how awesome I am.

Speaker 6 (14:49):
That's how you remember it.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
It was no no, no, I remember everything.
I remember the walk out of theroom.
I remember the walk down thestairs.
I remember walking through DelFrisco's and seeing some famous
people and walking out in thestreet because the hotel was
just across the street.
I remember everything, but itfelt like it took a year to get
there.
144 proof.

(15:11):
Yeah, you can light it up youguys ever had absinthe.
I've had a sip of it.
Got the snake in the bottom.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
We were overseas.
I don't even think it's illegalhere.
Death adder.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Is that the you know, because I don't even think it's
illegal here.
The death adder, yeah, is thatthe stuff you're talking about?
It's got the death adder in thebottom.
It's intense.
I've had that, yeah, but that'snot even you can't.
That's not even drinkable.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
It's actually.
It didn't seem like it wasdrinkable.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
You could, you could.
Everything was drink Goodgracious, but anyway, that's my
first inauguration.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Was that inauguration night the night before?

Speaker 3 (15:47):
That was the night of the whatever night, the
veterans ball was Okay.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
They had four.
There was like four main balls.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah that, go on on inauguration night.
It's either.
I can't remember if it wasinauguration night or the night
before.
I'm pretty sure it was thenight of Okay.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Hey, let's backtrack.
Like a week or so ago.
We hadn't really talked aboutthis, but we had a guy on did
like a 10-minute short that weput out on our channel, nick
Bostic.
This was the guy that went into the burning house like he
just saw it, and he had thisinstinct to go in.

(16:27):
It was late at night.
He ended up saving and I hatethat I don't remember.

Speaker 6 (16:32):
It was either four or five children.
I think it was five.
It was four or five, countingthe baby, I guess.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, so five, and we just had him on, but we haven't
talked about it actually sincewe had him on.
Do you guys have any thoughtsabout that?
It's a pretty amazing story andit happened a couple years ago,
but it just got brought tolight again through Trump Jr and
DC Drano and all that Well,that's why we started the
podcast to hear from people likethat.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, you know, in that small town, get your back
mentality.
So I think that pretty muchsums up why we started this.
I think, kayla, you hadmentioned that, I think on that
podcast he's one of the reasonswhy we started it.
Anyway, I thought it was greatSmall-town American hero like

(17:16):
that.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
He deserved the Medal of Freedom and the Medal of
Honor.
He didn't get anything heshould you know the medal of
honor?
Yeah, is that what he got?
Wait, it was.
He didn't get anything.
He should have been the medal offreedom, because I know that
drano posted that right whenwhen biden awarded some of the
people that really, reallydidn't deserve the medal of
right, and that's what trump themedal of honor and and it's

(17:40):
guys like nick bostick thatdeserved the medal of Honor
Small town citizens that don'tthink and run into burning
buildings and not thinking ofhimself to save somebody else
they deserve those kind ofmedals.
I wish those medals werereserved for people like him.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (17:59):
Because it's so easy, like we were talking about with
him, because he barely saw whathe thought was a little bit of
a flame and it wasn't even aroaring fire at the time.
But he kept looking in his rearview thinking, was that a fire?
And then he goes back andeverything.
But it's not like he's in arestaurant and you see something
happening right there andyou're kind of forced to make a

(18:19):
decision.
You ask him to do something.
This guy turned around, slammedon his brakes and turned around
, you know, to go back into ahouse in a neighborhood he's not
familiar with.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
And I say this all the time and I'm half joking,
it's like I'm not that good of aperson.
You would do it.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
I don't know.
I know you would.
You don't know until you're inthat situation, but you do it.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
It's commendable that you know adversity shows
character and in that moment,yeah, that was his instinct yeah
, and he didn't know.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
He didn't know if there was even anybody in that
house.
He didn't know if there were.
If there were kids in there,then the parents weren't home.
He didn't know and he justreacted.

Speaker 6 (18:57):
Yeah, it's amazing and a lot of people might have
missed it, not not look, lookingas oh, that house is on fire,
I'm just going to drive on home.
They might have looked in ornot even seen it or just go by
and say, oh, maybe it's acampfire in the background, you
know backyard or whatever.
But his, like you say, hisinstinct drove him back and you
know, think about it's likeyou're.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
You're not breaking into a house, but you, in
essence, are.
You don't know what's.
I know you don't know what'sanyone in the back door.
You don't right it's just man,it's.
It's amazing, it's an amazingstory.
And you guys are mentioningabout the song is like you know,
sometimes a song gets a littlebit of negative connotation to

(19:37):
it, um, but that's really it.
And you know, there's a lot ofdefense in the song, like, hey,
if somebody's doing this, youknow, hey, we'll try that in a
small town, see what happens toyou.
But this kind of act is likewe're talking about hey, try
that in a small town.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
It's beautiful what he did.
Put so much of a bigger meaningon our song 100%.
Well, it's where it on our song, a hundred percent.
And then what it?

Speaker 6 (20:04):
really within what it was originally.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Well, it's where it began, though that's right.

Speaker 6 (20:07):
The whole idea came because we didn't like people
innocent people, getting hit onthe sidewalk for no apparent
reason.
Then the song became what itwas, but that's where it started
was.
We were irritated from theprotect the innocent people
getting hurt for no reason andnobody would do anything about
it.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
you know so, but I think we should do this, um,
because that's such a greatstory and good stories like that
don't get covered enough.
Like, if anybody, like ifyou're listening, you're
watching and you know of goodstories like that in your town,
send them to us.
Please.
Dm this, uh, send it to us likewe will bring those to light,
because those need, yes, to bebrought to light absolutely so

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It is a seasonal drink.

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Speaker 1 (23:11):
All right, guys, we're back at the Patriot Mobile
Studios.
This is the Try that in SmallTown podcast.
I don't know if we introducedourselves, but we've got Neil,
we've got Kelly.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
What are we doing with first names?
Hello Kirk, this is Kirk.
No no no, we have nicknames, Ilike Captain.
I like Captain for you.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Thrash K-Lo TK.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
I'm Kirk.
We've got Evan here with us.
Did you bring Evan?

Speaker 3 (23:41):
I brought him because Kelly wanted a shot.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, it's really good we're yeah Did you bring
Evan.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
I brought up because Tully wanted a shot.
Yeah, it's really good.
We're post-holidays,post-Christmas, but the eggnog
is good all year long.

Speaker 6 (23:51):
Look at that bottle.
I don't know if it's good allyear long Tully's cup.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
I think, he's getting more than a shot.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
The future of the Titans.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
He's going to kill you one day.
He is going to kill me.
He's going to kill you one day.
He is going to kill me.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
He's going to kill you I hope they trade him quick.

Speaker 6 (24:04):
I don't think they're going to trade him.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Nobody's going to trade for Will Levis.
He's not.

Speaker 6 (24:08):
No one wants him.
Well, they got a new, didn'tthey fire the GM or something?

Speaker 1 (24:10):
They did fire the.

Speaker 6 (24:11):
GM.
Now what does that mean?
Is that a good move?

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Well, it depends I.
He did draft well in this, so Iguess it's a good move they got
rid of him, hey, so the Titansdo have the number one pick Real
quickly, are they, or shouldthey draft a QB?

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Are you kidding?
Is that a serious question?
It is, you know that's.
I mean, are they going to drafta QB?
Well, either a QB or a longsnapper.

Speaker 6 (24:44):
But it's not an amazing QB class, right, like
next year will be better thanthis year.
But that is true, right, and sothat's what people have been
saying.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
People are saying the best player in the draft is
Travis Hunter, who's the kidfrom Colorado who plays both
ways.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
I thought somebody would make a joke.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
It I thought somebody would make a joke.
It was all hanging through.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
I was waiting for somebody to make the joke.
I'm cleaning up my act in 25.
Go ahead, they need a QB.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
I think you got to.
They got to draft a QB.
You have to, and sometimes a QByou know.
I mean in my you know how Ifeel about drafting QBs, but you
can find a good QB deep in thedraft.
You can, it's all.
Do they have the eyes there tofind it?
Because they're in there?
Look at a Brady, a Brock Purdy,those guys I mean it's all

(25:33):
system related, but we need a QBto build around.
At least the Titans do.
I mean it's been rough.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Been too long.

Speaker 6 (25:42):
Yeah, yeah, been way too long have y'all heard the
possibility, maybe Aaron Rodgers, for just a minute?

Speaker 1 (25:49):
I mean, I've heard people say that I haven't heard
anything that makes me thinkit's a real possibility.
I've just heard Brownlings,which I I would.
It'd be fun, I would love it itwould be fun you can say what
you want to about Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
It would set us back another five years.

Speaker 6 (26:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
He's a winner though, yeah, but wait, we're talking
about drafting a young QB,bringing Rodgers in for one year
to mentor.
Yeah, where's that money goingto come from?

Speaker 3 (26:15):
You can take him on this trip over to California.
Where's that money going tocome from Costa Rica?

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Hey, I'll say this have you guys seen the Netflix
thing, enigma?

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yes, you can say what you want about Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
He's very unique.
He is his own man, but I wasinterested.
I thought the thing was reallyinteresting.
I mean I wanted a little morefootball.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
It's not that.
And a little less of the youknow, but hey, I love watching
him play football, even now,since he Achilles.
I mean, he's not the same, thisis obvious to me, but he threw
500 touchdown passes.
Now he's an elite company.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
He throws the ball like very few people have ever
thrown.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
I love watching him play.
He flicks the ball, would you?

Speaker 1 (27:08):
guys want him on the podcast.
Do you think we could get AaronRodgers on the podcast?
I would yeah.

Speaker 6 (27:11):
I mean.
I had a chance to be around himfor a little bit a few times
and Neil and I both reallythrough Brad Paisley, they're
buddies Got to smoke a cigarwith him, drink beer and listen
to a lot of his stuff.
We talked about a lot of thingslike UFOs and everything else.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
It was very interesting To me.

Speaker 6 (27:32):
He was a really nice guy, super normal.
Been to his house after a gameMonday Night Football that he
played, we sipped whiskey and hesat there and he watched the
entire game.
We all watched it and hecommented on every place that I
should have done.
I should have done that here,should have done that here and
we just watched it.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
That's great.
Oh no, that's cool.
We played pool, drank whiskeyand it was really fun.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
That's like bucket list stuff and he did not, he
wasn't sitting there.

Speaker 6 (27:58):
God, look at this, I totally missed him.
Or he'd say that's how you runthat play.
It was just really cool To me.
He was a fantastic guy.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
I would fan geek over that, actually, because that
was cool.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
I love watching good quarterbacks like that, like the
greats, the Rodgers, the Brady.
Right now, I love watching JoeBurrow.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, Joe Burrow.
Joe Burrow is in that.
He's got it To I love watchingJoe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, joe Burrow is in that, he's got it To me.
He's that classic QB.
Like you can have yourscrambling QBs, take them, take
your.
Jaden Daniels, I know, takethem to Mars, because you know
what I'm so with you, I'm withyou, boy, I'm going down in
flames no.
I'm so with you on that one.
Really, I am not a fan, I can't.
It's just a matter If they winyou don't think that's the way

(28:44):
of the future.
Well, I mean maybe a way to awinning season.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
I don't know, it depends, and I'm not promoting
it, I'm just asking Do you thinkJalen Hurts and the Eagles can
win a Super Bowl with JalenHurts at the helm?

Speaker 1 (28:59):
I'm not a I like Jalen Hurts as a leader.
I don't think he's an amazingquarterback and I don't think
the coach is amazing either.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
I don't either, and thank you for saying that.
He annoys the crap out of me.

Speaker 6 (29:12):
I haven't watched enough to know.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
You can just tell that the players me.
Looking at it, it feels likethey don't really respect him.
The coach is a little weird.
It's a little weird.
It's not like when you seeBelichick coach.
He's in charge.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
How about this?
How about Dan Campbell and theLions?
You guys, everybody's got to bea fan of that team, right?
Who is not a fan of DanCampbell?
You guys don't watch NFL, doyou?

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yes, absolutely.
I don't watch that much.
I watch football.
I mean, we're college guys, butwe do the Lions, that's a good
organization to root for.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
to me, I mean, that's a football team.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Anybody in the NFL can just watch the team play and
then go follow them into thelocker room and see what's going
on in the locker room, see whatthe vibe's like and see what
the atmosphere and the air islike in the locker room.
It's all you got to do in theNFL.
And now it's creeping its wayinto college like that too.
But the NFL especially.
Just go to the locker roomafter a game or before a game,

(30:17):
you can tell who's going to winWise words urge.

Speaker 6 (30:19):
You know, dale, I thought about something a couple
of weeks ago because we, Idon't know a few episodes ago,
you were talking about on theback of the helmets, things that
annoy you in the NFL like theend, racism and things like that
.
I thought about that and wetalked about it and I wondered
you know, is it?
Is it just things that, thatthat you pick up on, or that

(30:40):
other people pick up on, thatthey don't like?
But if it was something thatyou liked on the back of the
helmet, would it be different?
Like if it said jesus saves,would you have?
Would that be an issue?
Because you're saying, hey,they're just putting that on
everybody.
I just wish they'd play ball.
I'm just kind of curious aboutthat.
Should they have?
Can they have anything?

Speaker 1 (30:59):
you know you remember this though you remember when
te Tebow came out and he wouldkneel and do like a prayer, like
after he scored a.

Speaker 6 (31:07):
He got hammered for doing that, but he did because
that's who he was.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
You're right, and it's an interesting question,
Kalo.
It's like are we annoyedbecause we don't necessarily
subscribe to what they're saying?
Yeah, and if it did say, hey,praise God.
John 3, 16, well, you knowwhatever?

Speaker 6 (31:28):
Yeah, and then we relate to it, Like if it says,
in racism you think I'm not aracist, that offends me because
that makes me think that I am.
But if it says something thatI'm in line with, like hey, go
to church on Sundays, or youknow, or go Vols.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Go Vols obviously.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Oh yeah, that's great .

Speaker 6 (31:43):
So anyway, I was just wondering about that.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah, I would rather them instead of keeping the
division and the divisivenessgoing, because that's all that's
doing.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
There's a difference with that.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Whether they realize it or not, that's what's going
on.
I would rather them put helpNick Bostic on the back of their
helmet, but you wish otherplayers would do, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
Like do something like that, like if you were
playing you might have that onthe back of your helmet it would
be cool if you have playershaving different stuff on there
which they should.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
And if you're offended, so what?

Speaker 6 (32:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Who cares?
Go to your safe space if you'reoffended, because Jesus saves
on the back of somebody's helmetis going to offend somebody,
correct?

Speaker 6 (32:32):
That was my point.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
There's nothing more offensive in the world than that
.

Speaker 6 (32:36):
That was my point.
It's not going to offend you,but it will offend somebody.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
I'm just saying, it's I wonder, do some people think
that's divisive?

Speaker 3 (32:46):
yes, oh absolutely, sure, absolutely that's yeah, I
guess because, to some peopleit's narrow-minded.

Speaker 6 (32:51):
You don't have, you don't have to go there.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
You don't have to do that, you know, yeah, you don't
have to.
But things like what we had,nick bostick, things like things
that matter, real world stuff,things that are really happening
, if you wanted, wanted to paintthat in the end zone.
Let's do something aboutveterans' homelessness.
Let's paint that in the endzone instead of end racism,
something that is so minute andso unrealistically.

(33:18):
You know what I'm saying?
It's not even going on.
If it is like I said on thelast podcast or one of the
podcasts, if it is going on,show us where it is and we'll.
We've got your back, but that'syet to happen.

Speaker 6 (33:30):
Or you can paint Daniel Penny in the end zone.
Yeah, speaking of try that in asmall town, big town.
Yeah, the Marine.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Bring up that story, because that's great it saved a
lot of people bring up thatstory because saved a lot of
people.

Speaker 6 (33:44):
Yeah, I mean, it's been, it's been a minute, but
yeah, you know, uh, he's amarine and um, and you had a guy
you know on the on the subwaywho who was, who was black, but
he was saying things that like Idon't care, I don't care if I
live today, and just crazy stuff, you know, and uh, and being
violent toward other people andso so you know, and again, I
don't, I don't know it, it'sbeen through court and
everything, but he but Daniel,you know, subdued him, got him

(34:07):
on the ground.
Other people did too black andwhite helping just hold the guy
down, you know, from hurtingsomebody or himself ends up
going to court and all thisstuff.
And he could have went to jail,you know, for a long time for
just for helping people and he,he, and in interviews that are
public, you know, he said wouldyou do that again, knowing you
know the, the legal, uh, troublethat you could have faced and

(34:28):
did face?
And he said he's absolutely Iwouldn't be able to live with
myself if I thought he couldinjure somebody and I was there
to prevent him from injuringsomeone and I didn't do anything
.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
I absolutely did again and that's just another
another example of like we, whatwe try to do and what we're
trying to highlight.
That is it Right?
Yes, helping somebody in need,like when it might not be easy,
but but to him it was.
Yeah, that's his instinct.

Speaker 6 (34:57):
Yeah, Well, think about it Sorry.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Caleb, but think about if your son or daughter or
mom was on that subway.
Yeah, you'd want him.
You'd want someone to dosomething 100%.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
You know what I?

Speaker 2 (35:13):
mean, and that's all he did, and the fact that people
even for a second tried tosecond-guess, that was upsetting
a little bit.

Speaker 6 (35:24):
Yeah, and I want to say while we're on obviously
unfortunate that the guy died,of course, but you could just
tell from everything that wasnot Daniel, that wasn't his
intent to kill the man, that wasnot his intent Of course,
everybody did.
It just happened in the courseof it and you hate that for that
guy who obviously he neededhelp long before he got in that

(35:46):
subway and he didn't have help.
So you know it's just a reallybad situation.
But the good part of it is isyou had somebody you know trying
actually to help the guy whoended up passing from hurting
others, hurting himself.
And you know and and thankfullyyou know a jury of his peers
you know saw that he was doing agood thing and didn't mean any

(36:07):
ill intent.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
So the Daniel Penny well, we're fixing it, I think.
I think the whole temperatureis going to change in the next
four years.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Yeah, it's already started it in the next four
years.
You think?

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yeah it's already started, seems like it has.
He hasn't even been inauguratedand everything is starting to
shift.
Trudeau, look at that.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
That's so interesting .
Right Gulf of America.
There's a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
The Gulf of America.
That's pretty cool.
We're going to attain Greenland.

Speaker 6 (36:31):
Greenland, Canada.
I mean, it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
But everybody's talking about it you know, I'm
just.
I'm just hoping the NFL turnsit around.
I hope they change their tune.
I really, really do.
I hope we don't have to staredown at all those lies anymore.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
You know I don't think honestly that people even
I mean I know bugs you and it's.
Yeah, I think most people arejust watching the game.
I think that's right.
You know why it's still there.
I'm not I'm not sure seeing theend racism written in huge
letters at the.
I'm with you.
Like there's people.
People go there to forget aboutthat stuff.

(37:13):
They don't want to think aboutit.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
It's not existing.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Exactly, you know, and it's, it's.
I agree with you that it's.
There's no reason to createtension.
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Cause it's, it doesn't, I'm not seeing it.
No, on a positive note, theTitans fans didn't have to look
at it much, that's true.
We didn't spend a lot of timein the end zone.

Speaker 6 (37:34):
Indians.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
That's true, that's true, yeah, that's pretty good.

Speaker 6 (37:41):
I don't know what I'm going to do now.
There's a blessing in there,somewhere there's a blessing in
there somewhere.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Jim just sent us a text.
And do you remember our friendthe Amazing DV?
Is that what his name is?
Yeah, Amazing DV.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
The Amazing DV, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
My hater.
Well, you know, I don't thinkhe's your hater.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
No, he's not my hater .

Speaker 1 (38:00):
But I think he wants to come on.
I think he wants to do like a10-minute conversation with me.
Really Okay, does he want totalk?

Speaker 4 (38:08):
to.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Neil, it might just be a one-on-one, I don't know.
Have it out, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Be careful, amazing.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yeah, watch what you wish for.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
I'll break out some scripture on you, bro, be
careful.
Nah, I think that'd be fun.

Speaker 6 (38:22):
We may want to start that one, remotely, though.
I mean I don't know if youbring him right in.
He has said some pretty.
Maybe we ought to bring Ed onwith him.
Ooh, yeah, to counterbalance.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah, to counterbalance it Like maybe he
can be narrator.
It's funny, We'll just let thatout.
I like that.
What else we got?
Have we got anything fun?
Landman?

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Okay, this is good.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
This is good, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Well, I don't know if I want to.
Okay, I was excited to start it.
I was too, Gotta watch it.
I love Billy Bob, love Jon Hamm.
Anyway, got three in.
Eh, I'm hearing Gotta watch it.
Gotta watch.
I love Billy Bob.
Yep, love Jon Hamm.
Anyway, got three in.
Eh, I'm out.
Maybe it turns a corner, Idon't know.
I'm with you.
It seemed like it was reallytrying so hard.

(39:12):
I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I don't know.
I think it was you that broughtup the word campy and that's
pretty spot on.
It's like the only way I coulddescribe it is like dallas it
for people that are pretty oldbut doubt.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
But I remember watching dallas, though, if you
re-watch dallas you tell my jr80.
Yes, I am talking about jr, butit wasn't.
It wasn't.
That was that 80, 45, 86 and Idon't know.
I mean long time ago this feltlike it was.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
I guess my point is it's kind of a soap opera, and
if you watch soap operas they'relike, okay, that's not
believable, okay, this personisn't a good actor.
Okay, this isn't, yeah, butthere was so many things.
I watch it for Billy Bob.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
I do too, and he has a couple monologues that are
it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
And there's a couple parts in the first couple
episodes that I loved.
There's because I was like,okay, I'm going to keep going,
because there's bits in episodesthat I really, like you said,
there's monologue and there's acouple scenes that got the oil
rig when it explodes and the bitthat he goes through, well, why
we need oil.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
I don't know if you got to that episode.
It's like a two or three-minutething he's explaining to one of
the lawyers.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Let's talk about what really makes it bad.
Okay, at least for me, nodaughter talks to their father
that way.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Well, no daughter of ours.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
It was so raunchy and so over the top, I actually
disagree.
I bet there are daughters thattalk to their dads.

Speaker 6 (40:48):
I bet there are, If there are out there.
I've never met them.
I know it's not your daughters,but I bet there are.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
I mean, I was just like I can't listen to this.
This is like I don't knowanybody that talks to their
father that way, or a fatherthat actually takes it and just
kind of shrugs it off.
I'm like, what did she just sayto him?
And like it's like they make itlike that's the way the youth
talks to their parents today andI'm like, oh my God, it was

(41:15):
awful yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
I mean, I'd be horrified if that was I got
totally turned off and it got soraunchy and so it was just like
I couldn't take it anymore.
Okay, what is the best showyou're watching right now?

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Well, just finished.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
A great one, okay, mayor of Kingstown, so you've
been telling us about this,which is, by the way, another
Taylor Jordan show, yeah, andthat's why I was disappointed
with Landman.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah, because it's not even the same category and
I'm not just talking about Iknow Landman's a different show.
Yeah, but the writing and ifyou watch Mayor Kingstown it is.
So now it's, and obviously it'sthat's.
Mayor Kingstown is more of thekind of show I like.
It's gritty, and obviouslyMayor Kingstown is more the kind
of show I like.

(42:01):
It's gritty, more crime-related, it's cool, it's really good,
but that's great.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
I'll give Taylor Sheridan a pass because it's
probably a lot like writingsongs.
You're not going to write astandard every time you go in
the room.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
What's your favorite Taylor Sheridan show?

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Well, he didn't direct it, but I think he wrote
Sicario.
Yeah, you were talking aboutthat before it was fantastic,
and I was a big fan ofYellowstone too.
It had its ya-ya moments.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yellowstone was a little soap opera-ish at times
too, but it was great.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
I'll treat him like I would like I would.
You know writing songs.
You know you're not going tohit a smash every time you write
a movie.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yeah, just like writing a song.
You're not going to write asmash every time you do it and
he's on fire, but he's good,he's consistent and he's good.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
He's so.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
He writes a good one.
You know what we should do.
We should be pitching songs toTaylor Sheridan for his shows.
But you know what Good ideaHold?

Speaker 2 (43:00):
on.
You don't think we should be.
No, we should be Okay.
But before I forget, whatbugged me about Landman the most
, before I want to make it clearis that because there was some
really great parts in it.
Yeah, why couldn't it just beall good?
Yeah, wow, like some was great,some parts were great.

(43:21):
I knew I was frustrated.

Speaker 6 (43:22):
Well, it's kind of like a song, Like you don't want
every line of the song to begreat.
You don't know what the greatones are.
They got to stand out.
You got to write some averagelines for the good ones to pop
out.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Right.

Speaker 6 (43:33):
I don't know.
I'm still surprised that youdidn't say Friends was your
favorite.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:37):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (43:37):
Yeah.
That's awesome, but as far as athrowback, though we were
talking about it earlier.
I got my wife Rachel intowatching Breaking Bad.
She's never seen Breaking Bad.
Ooh, you know.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Anybody that's not seen Breaking Bad start today.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
One of the greatest written story lines ever.
Start today.
It's amazing.
Start to finish.
It's amazing, start today,start to finish.

Speaker 6 (43:56):
It's amazing and it actually got me into watching.
That was the first series I'dever watched and that got me
into watching series.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Heisenberg, breaking Bad.
So did you guys watch Tully?
Because I didn't know it at thetime.
Tully first turned me on toBreaking Bad because I didn't
watch it when it was out.
And then it went to Better CallSaul, oh yeah, which I thought
Better went to better call saul,oh yeah, which I thought better
call saul was great.
That's great.
So, yeah, that's fun.
Uh, so that's what you guys arewatching breaking bad currently

(44:25):
.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Yeah, all right, we got a long way to go I'm gonna,
I'm gonna shift gears here, okay, uh, I want to talk about some
of the writers in town.
I don't really know how to getinto this segment.

Speaker 6 (44:35):
Well, you're just done, okay.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
But the other day I was at BMG and I was over there
with y'all and David Lee Murphyyeah, I don't know what was it A
couple weeks ago or something,I don't remember what it was but
finishing up a song and we goout into the lobby and we're all

(44:59):
standing out there and herecome these new writers out of
these writers rooms.
And it's just been on my mind,guys, and I cannot shake it I
love that it has, because I,because I know, I know where I
was when I was a young writerand I came to town.
I know where my head was and Iknew I knew stuff.
These kids come over there, gottheir chest bowed out and we're

(45:23):
all sitting there talking yeah,yeah, yeah, Blah, blah, blah,
Music, rope, bullshit talk.
And they look at me and DavidLee mainly at David Lee and they
go.
So what do y'all do?

Speaker 2 (45:35):
No, yes, I was standing there.
Hold on, I don't remember this.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
You weren't out there yet.
You were probably still behindthe computer.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Yeah, yeah, it was quite a sight, Hold on.

Speaker 6 (45:46):
So Tully was there and they're fawning over him
because, of course, and thenthey asked Well, of course they
saw the hair and they thought,okay, he does.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
They just hiss on the huge mural on the wall but they
look at me and David Lee like.
So what do y'all do?
They did not ask that.
Yes, they did.
These are the new breed ofcountry music songwriters in
town people.
To our listeners out there.
This is where their heads are.
They don't know their history,they haven't done their research
, but they want to come intotown and take over town writing

(46:19):
country music.
And they look at David LeeMurphy and say well, what do you
do?
They didn't have a clue who hewas.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
What did David say?

Speaker 3 (46:24):
And they're not supposed to know who I am.
I haven't been out there, butyou know.
And when you introduce yourselfand say your name and it still
doesn't click, I think and youwant to be a country music
songwriter.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Wow, if my memory's right, I think David said
something like man.
I spent here a few weeks yeahof course he did.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
And he started just being as cool as he can.
I didn't even know thathappened.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Bro, if you'd have been out there you might have
gone off, but everybody was kindof.
And then Lee Miller and BrettJames, and they come walking out
and they don't know who theyare either, and I'm just like
they're in a room right withanother artist over here
somewhere and and these youngwriters don't know.
When I came to town, I knew whoBob McDeal was.
Yeah, I knew who Harlan Howardwas.

(47:15):
I knew all the greats that camebefore us, like two generations
worth.
I knew who they were.
I actually think they're BecauseI listened and learned, and
before I got to Nashville, Ijust knew who the guys were that
paved the way.
Yeah, these numb nuts that cometo town now don't have a
freaking clue who paved the way.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
I think there's a little bit of a lack I don't
want to say it too harshly alittle bit of a lack.
I don't want to say it tooharshly.
I'm going to say lack ofrespect.
I don't mean it that harshly.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
It's unintentional though.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
It's unintentional, but there is a little bit of it,
and I think the reason is is, Ithink, streaming and this goes
for new artists too.
I think it's created a falsereality for a young writer,
young artist, where it makesthem think they've achieved more
than they really have.
Okay, and I'm not trying tosound harsh with this, but Until

(48:04):
they get their paycheck.
I see it in young artists,especially young artists who may
have had two or three songsstreaming and maybe they have a
song streaming 500,000 a weekand to them that means that
they're making it or have madeit and it.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Well and and this is unfortunate, but I guess true,
whether it's, however you wantto categorize it but they write
different songs than you guyswere writing 20 years ago.
I mean, I think we had thisconversation on a podcast a long
time ago One of your bestwritten songs.

(48:45):
Do you think that would be ahit today?
Maybe, and maybe not, becauseit's a different song that
becomes a hit today.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
But you've got to know.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
It's a little bit more of a jingle today.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
I didn't bring this up to say these guys should know
who we are.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Not at all.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
They should be more interested in the field that
they're getting into A thousandpercent they should want to know
the history.
These young kids should want tolearn about the history of
Nashville and the history ofMusic Row and the history of
songwriting.
If this is what you're going todo, you should want that.
Why the lack of desire to know?
That is not there, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (49:22):
Well, but I don't mean sorry, go ahead.
No, no, finish, finish.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
I didn't bring it up for that I didn't bring it up
because I'm pissed.
They don't know who I am yeah,no you're just talking about.
Anybody that gets into a fieldshould understand the history of
you can imagine the look on myface when that, when that kid I
thought he was kidding at firstI thought it was a joke he said
what do y'all do?
I know it was classic you gotthe dust on the bottle standing

(49:47):
right here and I'm like, yeah,are you?
Oh shit, he's serious.

Speaker 6 (49:51):
This kid does not know well, it's kind of
interesting because part ofthere's a there's a few things.
This, for me, part of it is isthey don't know how hard it is.
Yet they haven't been doing itfor 10, 15, 20, 30 years and
still making a living at writingsongs, which is an act of god
in itself.
Making money writing songs,it's almost impossible, true,

(50:12):
but somehow it's happening,right.
Yeah, so they're still in thathoneymoon phase of like, oh man,
everything we write is going toget recorded and they're really
happy.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
I'm going to argue with you, but hang on, hang on,
I can't wait to argue, I know Iknow it's going to happen really
quick.

Speaker 5 (50:24):
Hang on, hang on.

Speaker 6 (50:26):
The other thing is it is uh, it's a different
generational.
You know, it's a lack ofrespect, just kind of the way
younger people are now.
They want to do it themselves.
They don't want to write a hitsong with older guys, they want
to write it with their crew.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Yeah, the thing about it is they don't want to learn
how to write a great song.

Speaker 6 (50:47):
Well, they don't want your no, well, or?

Speaker 4 (50:49):
That's the truth.

Speaker 6 (50:50):
I think they don't want their name on with a
successful writer because itwould be viewed as oh the
veterans oh, they'repiggybacking, but even at that.
So I think that's part of it,which there's nothing wrong with
that, even if they didn't wantto write with anybody that's
made it or been there and donethat.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Even if they didn't, it seems to me that they would
want to learn the craft a littlebit better and learn the
history of the craft a littlebit better.

Speaker 6 (51:13):
But if they're getting songs recorded without
it this is the only newgeneration.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
This is the only generation that I've seen that
is behaving this way.
I agree, I agree with that.
It's the only generation, Iagree.
I agree it's come along.

Speaker 6 (51:24):
That doesn't not give a shit what, who paved the way
or how they got, why you're evenin that freaking room, but it's
kind of working for them youknow what I mean, like they're
getting solid and they'regetting on the radio and it's
working for no so here's, here'smy it's this.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
And they're getting on the radio.
They think it's working forthem.
No, they're not.
So here's, here's my it's.
This is what.
When everything went sidewayswith COVID and we went to
remember, the whole industrychanged.
We talked about with Tyler Farr, everything changed.
I'm with, I'm with Neil.
I see this, this new generationof artists and writers and
artist writers.
They think, putting a song out,we have all these platforms now

(52:00):
you can release music as muchas you want.
The labels sign everything.
Labels are signing more actsthan ever.
Right, and they're putting intheir mind.
This is how I feel about it.
They put songs out, they stream, they get to go to social media
, they get attention on TikTok,instagram and in their mind,

(52:23):
they're successful.
They're famous.
In their mind, they are doingit.
Just a few years ago, okay, youhad a radio hit, you had a
video and it meant something tohear yourself on the radio.

(52:44):
I see people all the time,young artists who had never been
on the radio, who I mean you'dthink they'd have 20 hits.
I mean the way they're acting.
I think it's just social media,driving it and streaming.
They think they know how to doit.
It just I see it on the roadwith new acts.

(53:04):
I see it New writers can't tellthem anything you know, but
still I'll say it.
Though, you know, if you're anew artist and you're streaming
500,000 a week and you're likeokay, well, I'm going to get a
booking agent, you know, go tryto sell some hard tickets and

(53:28):
see and find out what exactlythat means, because that's the
other thing.
Like what, what does that mean?
So anyway, yeah, not trying tosound like an old grumpy uh well
, we are, but no, I.
I would agree with Neil, though,kayla, I feel like this new
generation.
I feel like they aren't evenaware of how it was done.
They just think they knowthey've got to figure it out.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Well, Kayla and I have written with guys who.
We've written with some ofthese young people that they
don't.
We've written with some ofthese young people that I mean
they don't.
They got booked with us andstill did not have a clue what
was in the room.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Really yeah.
Now see, that's weird to me.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
It was because their publisher set them up with us,
because the publisher knew.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
But then, when the they didn't even yeah, I'm
telling you didn't dawn on them,I didn't even.
Yeah, I'm telling you like it'sdawn on them.
I will say it's interestingbecause, because you know, we've
been around for a while, I'vebeen blessed, we've had hits and
stuff and and very thankful forit.
If I'm writing with a persontomorrow and I don't know their
name and I don't know whatthey've done, I will google them
before I get that appointment.

(54:32):
I want to know oh my gosh whatI'm, what I'm telling you and
this is in agreeance with this.
I will say there's not all,because there's a couple that
are very respectful to me as abig fan and things like that,
but the majority they don'tGoogle anybody.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
That blows my mind.
I actually can't even believethat, and so much so.

Speaker 6 (54:54):
It was about five years ago but it's my favorite
story and I won't say who it was, but it was me and another guy
Now I can't.

Speaker 5 (55:02):
Now I don't do that.
We got to go viral.

Speaker 6 (55:03):
But this is what's funny.
This is what's funny.
And we're writing with a guyand these two guys were buddies
but the one buddy knew me andthe other buddy apparently they
hadn't talked and we're justtalking about ideas throwing
around.
Who's looking stuff like that?
And the younger guy said saidman said so I think I've got a
Brad Paisley hit.
And I was thinking you know,obviously you know and had a lot

(55:27):
of Brad hits and you know we'rebuddies and everything, and
he's and I thought he was goingto you know say hey, kelly, can
you think you can get this ideato him.
But he didn't say that.
He said I've got a thing.
I think it's a for sure BradPaisley hit.
I said it's just like him.
I said I think he would sayevery word of it.
He says anybody know a way wecan get to him.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
So do you think?
That that was like his way tojust like not ask you blatantly
no, no, no.

Speaker 6 (55:54):
And his buddy said dude, you're kidding, right yeah
.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
He goes.
You know you're writing with itoh really he goes.

Speaker 6 (56:01):
Oh, you know, brad, and at that point I was like
yeah, I mean I don't.
Yeah, we lived, he's my nextdoor neighbor and we had 10
number ones.
But it was really funny and hewas innocent, it wasn't
disrespectful, he just didn know.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Like so it wasn't purpose.
That was my father wasn'tpurposeful.
I know it, that's, but that'smy bothers.
Like they moved to town withwithout any knowledge, without
any history, without anylearning, without any research,
and just jump right in the frame.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
That seems weird to me, though you're going into it,
right but that was the.

Speaker 6 (56:31):
That was the one that really caught me.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
I went wow that's funny I've been, I've said wow,
a lot in the last five years inthis town.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
It's pretty funny.
It's changed so much.
It's you know, see it.
Every week new artists come andyou get and you can look a
couple years ago that newartists that were streaming,
that are in social media, thatare no longer hardly streaming,
they're still on social mediatrying to be an artist.
Yeah, but they're, they're notdoing it.

(56:59):
It takes so much more than thanjust, okay, put a song out and
okay, you got 100,000 instagramfollowers or you tiktok or
whatever you're doing, but toactually do it it's still.
There's a whole nother level.
There's such a small.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
yeah, there's such a small percentage of success in
the writing world in Nashvilleand there's even a smaller
percentage of guys who are stilldoing it.
As long as we've been doing it,I had a young writer, we're
still hanging in there.

Speaker 6 (57:27):
I mean for sure I had a young writer say something to
me a couple months ago.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
She goes yeah, I've got some stuff streaming.
I've heard that radio pays alittle bit more.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
No, somebody I mean you can't be that oblivious they
are and I said, yes, that'strue.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
You know how do I get to radio?
I'm like, okay, I don't evenknow how to speak.
What are you talking about,anyway?

Speaker 1 (58:01):
They don't really know Anybody got anything else
it's a good one.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
You kind of jumped all over.
That was fun.
Did you get some eggnog Tully?

Speaker 1 (58:12):
No, but I think he's going after.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
It's still cold.
Evan Williams, if you're outthere, we still love your
product, yeah yeah, I mean evenafter the holidays we've been
hitting you up, evan.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Where's the response?
Come on another sad.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
No, no, go on our, on our, you know.
No tattoo for kurt, no rv no rv, no evan, we can't muster up
five bottles of evan williamsand we know it.

Speaker 6 (58:39):
But I mean, heck, november's going to be here soon
, evan.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
It's a fact, guys, we really appreciate you.
Thank you for hanging out withus For Neil.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Well, first name Kelly.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
For Tully, for Kurt.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
God, listen here, listeners.
This 25 is going to be, it'sgoing to come alive.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Neil, bring us out.
You brought us in, bring us out.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
It's going to come alive in 25.
We have to thank our listeners.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Come alive in 25?
Yes, you just got a slogan.
Let's put that on our shirt.
It's happening.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
It's happening and we want to thank our listeners for
hanging with us.
And keep hanging with us,because it's going to get real
interesting.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Yeah, we got some great guests this year.
We're thankful for where thisjourney has taken us.
Woo, let's go.

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