What happens when one of media's most outspoken voices sits down with the writers behind "Try That in a Small Town"? A raw, unfiltered conversation that cuts through the noise of today's cultural battles.
Jason Whitlock brings his signature fearlessness to the podcast, sharing personal stories about growing up in Indianapolis where his father owned several bars in working-class Black neighborhoods. These formative experiences shaped his perspective on community, faith, and the shared values that transcend racial divides. With candid humor and piercing insight, Whitlock challenges the hosts and listeners alike to consider how today's cultural climate has created unexpected shifts in American music.
The discussion takes a fascinating turn as Whitlock explains his journey into country music after moving to Nashville in 2020. Having grown up primarily listening to R&B and rap, he found himself drawn to the authentic storytelling and emotional depth of artists like Morgan Wallen and Aaron Lewis. This leads to a powerful observation about how great art emerges from struggle, and how today's country music gives voice to Americans who feel silenced or marginalized by mainstream culture.
Throughout the episode, the conversation weaves between music, faith, politics, and personal responsibility. Whitlock doesn't shy away from controversial topics, challenging conventional wisdom about race relations, gender roles, and the importance of Biblical values in modern society. His perspective on the courage required to stand apart from the crowd resonates deeply with the songwriters, who share their own experiences of creating music that pushes against cultural expectations.
Whether you're passionate about music, cultural commentary, or just appreciate authentic conversation that doesn't follow predictable scripts, this episode offers refreshing honesty and thought-provoking insights. Listen now and join the conversation about what it really means to speak your truth in today's divided America.
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
They're part of the PSYOP, they're part of the whole
media ecosystem that has, quitefrankly, put Black people in
the music industry in a certainlane.
This is all you can do.
Cuss, talk about strippers andhoes, talk about radical
materialism.
I will agree with that.
(00:52):
Talk about that's all you cando, cause, trust me, I know the
rappers that are storytellers,like really clever, and are
trying to say something Well, Idon't really care about your
feelings.
God doesn't care about yourfeelings.
What I feel, what I think, whatI like completely irrelevant,
(01:13):
cause this person was reachingout to me over Twitter says he's
a believer in Jesus Christ andI was like you don't understand
that what you like is irrelevant.
What God like is the only thingthat matters.
If you look at the actual statsof police brutality, the data
screams.
Police pretty much bend overbackwards to avoid conflict
(01:38):
because they want to go home too.
And then the people that wantto argue with them.
While on fentanyl, your deathrate just goes up, and George
Floyd found that out.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
The Try that in a Small Town podcast begins now.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
All right, everybody, welcome back.
This is the Try that in a SmallTown podcast coming to you from
the Patriot Mobile Studios.
It's going to be a fun night.
I got Caleb, I got Thrash, Igot TK and tonight's going to be
awesome.
We've got somebody who is notafraid to speak their mind.
It's going to be fearless.
(02:22):
He might even give you a runfor your money, whether it's
about politics, sports, culture,religion, whatever to speak
their mind.
This is going to be fearless.
I might even give you a run foryour money, whether it's about
politics, sports, culture,religion, whatever it is.
He's an award-winningjournalist, host of the Fearless
with Jason Whitlock podcast.
Let's give it up for JasonWhitlock, all right.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
Let's go here, we are Thank you man.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
You know, we haven't even asked you a question, we've
offended like 30 people.
I think that's how we are uh,we were talking right before we
came on.
Let's do this because I thinkit's topical, it's local.
Um, I'm not sure when this isgoing to air, but it'll either
be right before or right afterthe nfl draft.
Nice, the Titans have thenumber one pick.
(03:04):
Who are they going to draft?
Who should they draft?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
They're going to draft Cam Ward.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Yes, that's my pick.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
They should draft Travis Hunter.
I don't think any of thesequarterbacks in this draft are
can't miss.
I think Cam Ward is high risk.
He had a good college career,but I think in most drafts, if
it was a healthy quarterbackdraft, he'd go in the second
half of the first round orbottom half of the top 10.
(03:35):
And Travis Hunter is someonethat most people believe is
going to be a perennial probowler.
And so take the sure thing,don't take the high risk.
Pick.
If you can get someone who youknow, like, hey, we can pencil
him at cornerback or widereceiver and I would play him at
corner.
Uh, and he's going to be a probowl, elite level player at that
(03:59):
position for the next 12 to 14years, I would would do that
rather than well, we need aquarterback and so we better
take a quarterback because wedon't like Will Levis.
Take the sure thing.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I was about to ask you are you on record of liking
Will Levis?
Then?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
No, no, no, no.
But I don't look.
If I'm not winning the SuperBowl, I don't mind losing and
coming back next year with a toptwo or three pick again when
there's more quarterbacks moresure thing quarterbacks
potentially available thanreaching at the quarterback
position when you know there's ahand.
(04:37):
Look what's his name AbdulCarter.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
He's a stud From Penn State.
He's a stud.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
And you guys remember Javon Curse and the impact that
he had.
I'm not saying this kid isJavon Curse, but if you can have
a solid pass rusher, you canbuild your entire defense around
him.
I would go that route ratherthan hey, we need a quarterback,
so let's take the best one onthe board and hope for the best.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I do like the camp board, I agree.
No, I have no best.
I do like the Cam Ward, I agree, he's a little bit of a rusher.
No, I have no idea.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
I don't know how they even do it.
I don't know how they do it.
It's kind of like picking asingle Well to me put out on
radio.
It's kind of like picking asingle.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
It's like if it's a hit, you know then everybody
takes credit for that's amazing.
No, I wasn't.
I still would.
Speaker 7 (05:25):
I mean it's going to be so who would play quarterback
?
Will Levis?
Oh, good Lord.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Good money.
Speaker 7 (05:33):
It's a lot for this town to go through.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
another year Will Levis, but maybe Travis can make
him better on some specialtyplays when he's playing
quarterback.
Then he comes in and can makeWill Levis a superstar.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Can't be instant gratification in the NFL.
That's a fact you got to playthe long game, little suffering.
Look, man, when they moved onfrom Mike Vrabel, when they
moved on from Derrick Henry, youknew there was going to be some
suffering.
Deal with the suffering.
No pain, no gain.
And again take the quarterbackwhen you're dead.
Sure, this is the guy.
(06:03):
And I'm not beating up on CamWard, I'm just saying this isn't
the strongest QB draft.
Don't overdraft a quarterbackwhen there are guys you know,
like Abdul Carter, people feelpretty sure Travis Hunter people
feel pretty sure that's anelite level player for the next
decade.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
Well, sometimes the QBs come deep, deep in the draft
.
Anyway, you can ask Kurt, wetalk about it every year.
I'm I'm always skeptical ofevery qb going out, one or two
anyway.
I mean, you just never know,you never know, you know, but um
will levis.
Well, there you go, can I?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
ask a question, can I ?
The sports conversation?
I don't mind you asking mesports questions.
That's where I made my bones.
How did y'all decide that Kurtwas the star of the show and the
host of the show.
When I met everybody downstairsI was like I bet you Kurt's the
cameraman, then I get up hereand he's the star of the show.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I'm more of a radio fan.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
He's our fearless leader.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
He's right here.
He can hear you, dang Jason, Ithought we were friends.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
You got to tell me what you wanted to do in your
previous life.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I did.
I wanted to be in sportsjournalism.
Really I thought we had that.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I'm not saying it was a bad choice.
I'm not saying it was a badchoice, I'm just asking how it
happened.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
That's all Because he's good at it.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Let me give you another question I was going to
ask.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Because, I heard this rumor.
He's turning the tables.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I've heard this rumor that Neal's wife was blind when
she met Neal and then wentthrough a surgery and got her
sight back and stuck with themarriage despite that.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
It's an interesting story.
I have a soft lower back.
She liked that.
I was really soft.
She didn't have to see it.
Let's give people a little backstory.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
This is Kalo Tully, my first time meeting Jason.
You guys have met each otherbefore.
What's the connection?
Speaker 5 (08:00):
We went to dinner with.
Jeffrey Steele invited me to goto dinner one night to meet
Jason here, and so we did and Igot to meet him.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
He liked you even more.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I don't know if he liked me or not.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
I can't ever tell if Jason's happy, sad, mad.
I can't ever tell he's the sameall the time.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I'm going to break some news to y'all and as much
as I love all of you and as muchas I love try this in a small
town, jeffrey still is myfavorite person in nashville.
Uh, he wrote the greatest songthat instantly made me a country
music fan.
Am I the only one?
Yeah, I was living out in la upuntil 2020, came here in late
2020 and I think I heard am Ionly one?
(08:42):
Was that late?
21 or 22?
Probably 21.
As soon as I heard it, I waslike, oh, this is what country
music is about and I finally gotit, because I don't know, maybe
I was telling these guys butJeffrey and I talk about it all
the time that I was in a littlebox, like most people as it
(09:03):
relates to music.
I grew up in the inner city,grew up with the typical black
experience, so I listened to R&Band rap and that's all I knew
and that's all I thought I wasallowed to really know, just
fitting in with the stereotypeand my friends and all that.
And so I mean I went a longtime not knowing.
(09:23):
Probably 1989, 1990.
I'm graduating college and Iwork security at a Bon Jovi
concert and that was my firsttime like going.
Oh, this rock and roll thing,this Bon Jovi guy, it's kind of
cool.
I knew some girls from mycollege that went to the concert
and so that kind of opened meup to Bon Jovi, but I still just
(09:45):
didn't venture much furtherthan R&B and rap.
And when I came here in 2020, Idid not think country music was
, for me, the only country musicI'm not taking it up on the guy
, but the only country music.
I ever.
A girl that I was dating yearsand years ago made me go to a
Kenny Chesney concert.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I thought, this is all right that I was dating
years and years ago made me goto a Kenny Chesney concert.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I thought this is all right.
But when I heard, am I the OnlyOne?
I was like this speaks to mysoul, this moves me.
And soul music, the good soulmusic they used to make it spoke
to your soul.
And he opened my mind to like,oh no, it's these country guys
that are singing songs thatspeak to your heart.
I've become kind of a countrynut and just keep getting
(10:31):
further and further down therabbit hole.
As much as I like you guys.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
I love Jeffrey Steele .
We don't know if you like us ornot.
Hold on, I think, jimmy.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Jeffrey drove an hour and a half to get here.
Hopefully you will like us,Jeffrey.
An hour and a half to get here.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Jeffries is one of the best of all time.
I mean we all aspire.
When I came to town, he wasalready rocking you know, and
some of my favorite songs too.
And he's legit.
He's not just a, he's also likeNeil and these guys.
He's not just a songwriter,he's an artist.
I mean, he'll stand therebarefoot and play for two hours,
(11:06):
he's he's.
He's more than he's not just acommon everyday songwriter.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, he's more than that.
He's oh, I've seen him live andthat was another next level
experience.
Like for sure, how is this guynot the biggest star in music?
You know, I saw, I saw him atthird and lindley, a little
intimate setting and he went onfor three straight hours and
every 10 minutes he changedcharacters and like, oh, he's
david lee, raw oh no, look athim at a keyboard.
(11:29):
That's stevie wonder now he'saaron lewis and now he I mean,
he just every and I was like Ididn't know somebody could do
all that and uh, so he's openedmy mind.
How long you've been innashville?
I came here in 2020, august of2020.
Uh well, for me it was thesummer of george floyd and they
(11:52):
started boarding up buildings onmy street in los angeles
wilshire boulevard.
For those of you guys atwilshire, corridor so I'm paying
a lot of money and they'reboarding up buildings on my
street and me and my next doorneighbor it was my next door
neighbor was some young kid.
He was in the Bitcoin, superwealthy, and we're sitting out
and we look out the window andwe go, look, they're boarding up
(12:15):
buildings on our street and wewere like we got to get out of
here.
This is crazy.
And he moved to Austin, texas,and I moved to Nashville.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
Good call on your part you know, what's
Speaker 1 (12:28):
funny about austin.
Speaker 7 (12:29):
Uh, we've been on the road in austin for years.
I mean we've been in and out ofaustin on tours for 25 years.
We went there.
We had to play the cmt awardstwo years ago is that right?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
yeah, I'm horrible.
We were invited back afterbeing after you know.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
You know cmt cancels our video and we try this all
the time.
Then you know, then we getinvited back.
So we we go back to austin.
I didn't recognize it.
I did not recognize it, it wasit's.
It's changed so much in a veryhardcore liberal to the point
where you feel it.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, it was always artsy and left-leaning but it's
pretty.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Jason already knew that.
That's why he came to Nashville.
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
That's an intense thing.
Hey, since we're talking aboutcountry music, let's talk about
us.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, ourselves Our favorite topic.
Please, you know, I could hostthis and ask you guys some
really interesting questions.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Not that I want to.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
You've already gotten very comfortable.
He's like how is he the star?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
of a show in your house.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
He took over.
You built this lovely studio.
He took over.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
Until then, this was an undisclosed location.
Because, James, like you, somepeople hate us.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Oh really, Some people hate us yes.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
You wouldn't think so .
Speaker 3 (13:53):
But they really do so ?
Speaker 6 (13:54):
yeah, we hadn't really disclosed it.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Oh my bad.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
No, it's fine.
Thanks a lot, man.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
You guys can all be in the closet now.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
No, but what happened , like early on when we got, you
know, we had our first sponsor,original Glory, you know, and
we were reading little pointsand everything like that and
Kurt just nailed it and the restof us were like oh, he's the
man.
Anyway, it's a great taste beerI really like it.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
On a hot day, they say next I don't think that was
it, but I don't think that wasit, but no, kurt's just good at
it, he's just meant to be heplays good.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
You play guitar like a madman and you have.
You talk your ass off.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I'm the broadcaster.
I'll let you know how Kurt doesat the end of this.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
I don't like this.
This is going so good.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
I freaking love it.
I don't like this at all.
We're getting great.
This is a test.
That's why we got him here yeah, well, probably fail can I?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I'm sorry and I'm you can do anything you want.
I'm sorry because you know it'sit's the broadcaster and we
it's the.
There's a conversation I'd loveto have with four great
songwriters ask away I mentionedthis to jeffrey and just an
organic conversation we werehaving with the duggar band guys
in my house.
But part of what I'm talkingabout here is it relates to
country music and what you guysare doing.
(15:06):
And trust me, where I'm aboutto go is going to get a little
touchy.
But they call my show Fearless,because this is the kind of
stuff I like to talk about.
Hang on, I'm getting.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
So yeah, this is awesome.
Everybody take a little drink,take a little sip.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
This is fantastic.
Take a, do it.
I like this show.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, I'm about to ask a very provocative question,
but it's I think it's importantbecause what I see in music and
what's striking at me and beenmy experience is like, as a
black man, the music that as akid, as a young adult, it spoke
to my heart and soul, and greatart and great music comes from
(15:49):
struggle.
It comes from I hate to usethis word, but it's somewhat
true it comes from oppression orfeeling like you're pushing
against the establishment.
And what I've been talkingabout and just discovering as I
lean more into country music, Ihave to admit like the struggle
(16:10):
that the white man is goingthrough is helping him produce
some of the greatest music ofthis era, and like things have
reversed that it used to be theblack man and black people were,
the establishment was comingdown on them and they would
produce this music that spoke toeveryone's soul.
(16:32):
And so when I hear, am I theOnly One?
Even when I hear OliverAnthony's Rich man of North,
whatever, it is.
I go oh look, this guy'sspeaking from his hurt, pain,
disappointment, feeling thathe's being worked against.
When I hear, try that in asmall town, I hear guys kind of
(16:56):
pushing back against.
Hey, there's people picking onme.
There's people telling me I'mthe problem with America and all
this other stuff.
And it's producing great art.
Not everyone is as fearless asyou guys as to lean into that,
but I do think that's where themusic's going.
I do think that's the musicthat really, really connects.
I'll land the plane on thisnote.
(17:17):
I've fallen for Morgan Wallen'smusic and it's the song he just
came out with called Smile, thesong he just came out with.
If I'm the Problem, you MightBe the Reason.
This is great writing, greatlyrics, great storytelling.
(17:38):
It's lyrics that actually meansomething and speak to you, and
I'm like Morgan Wallen's doingthis, and every time I turn on
some R&B singer can I curse onhere that actually mean
something and speak to you.
And I'm like Morgan Wallen'sdoing this, and every time I
turn on some R&B singer, can Icurse?
on here I'm not a big curser,but they're talking about and
not making love.
They're talking about what goldchain I can buy and wear and
(18:01):
they're not talking about realstuff.
And you guys are and I thinkit's a reflection of this
cultural shift in america andwho we're pounding down on and
you guys are reacting to it andI just want to encourage you to
continue to do it wow, wow, justkeep speaking.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I tell you it's time for a break it.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
It's amazing what you just said.
It's hard for us to say thisbecause you asked us.
You're a black man and you'reinto country music.
I'm from a town of like 400people in the mountains, grew up
very, very poor, like poor, andmoved here with $300.
(18:42):
You know, and so Don't forgetthough Hold for one second,
don't forget poor and moved herewith $300.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Don't forget, though, hold for one second.
Don't forget you had $300 andyou had a white privilege card.
Don't forget that.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
You sure?
Speaker 5 (18:59):
didn't tell me.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
You sure did, you sure did.
I didn't get handed that card.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
I wish I had, I'm just saying some of that, though
you talk about Morgan and youtalk about these songs that
you're starting to like.
Yeah, it's just because we'rewhite songwriters doesn't mean
that we grew up privileged.
I certainly didn't feelprivileged.
You know, we worked scrappedand still feel Sometimes worked
(19:26):
scrapped and still sometimes, Imean, we had nothing.
I mean at one point, you know,me and kurt were living together
and we had 500 bucks to ourname.
Me and aldine were livingtogether or living close and we
had trying to buy a pizzatogether.
So it's like hard work's hardwork to me, like I didn't get
the white privilege card.
It's a little offensive for meto hear the white privilege card
because, damn, I missed thatday.
(19:48):
Well, it's not an actual card.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Did you get it no?
Speaker 7 (19:55):
I didn't get it.
I didn't get the card.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
It's a check that arrives every month.
When is that check, though it's?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
just there, you weren't checking your mailbox.
It has a lot to do, weren'tchecking your mailbox?
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Yeah, I don't have a mailbox.
It has a lot to do with whereyou grew up.
I mean, where you grew up islike Appalachian, like freaking
in the hills.
I mean it's like you know and Iwouldn't trade it.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
It's places nobody goes.
I wouldn't trade it foranything.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
I know you wouldn, could, you could.
I got a big old card.
I got a big card, but you canbut you could say parent
privilege, you had parentprivilege is what you had, bro.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
It's 300 bucks, but we had the opportunity to move
where we wanted to move and dowhat we wanted to do and it
worked.
You know, and I think I thinkthat's part of what he's saying
you know it's.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
There is a privilege.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
I'm joking about privilege,that's a total joke.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Oh, I totally missed it.
Yeah, you missed it.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
There's only parental .
I'm listening as intently as Ican.
That's sarcasm, bro.
Oh okay, I'm being sarcastic.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
This is my favorite episode ever.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
No, because Tully got read about it.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
I didn't know it was sarcasm, because you definitely
didn't know the white publiccard.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
No, he did not, that's my joke.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Before I came here I was on the Matt Murphy show.
Matt Murphy was telling me thathis mother, his father, left
his mother when he was fiveyears old because she got
diagnosed with brain cancer.
He said he couldn't deal withit so he left His mother
eventually died of brain cancer.
And I was like but, matt, I'msure on the front door of your
(21:42):
house, with your mother dying ofcancer and your father gone,
I'm sure it said, matt,privilege, and it protected you
from everything.
That's my standard joke.
Everybody goes through struggle.
What I'm talking about with you.
All's music is like there's astruggle going on with white men
in this country.
The establishment is tellingyou all, you're the piece of dog
doo-doo, you're responsible forevery problem in the world.
(22:04):
And you guys are making greatmusic objecting to that.
And that's why Marvin Gaye andTeddy Pendergrass and all these
guys, the great Isley Brothersor whatever they used to tap
into the struggle of black menand make great music.
And now, the reason why I listento more country than r&b is
(22:27):
because these r&b singers arerapping about their gold chains
and three-way sex, and you knowbling and uh, that I'm not into
that.
Well, I want to hear somethingreal and something again it's
like yeah, come try that in asmall town we will kick your ass
.
That speaks to me, becausethat's kind of how I feel.
(22:49):
Like don't bring that bs to me,man, I don't want me.
And my father in 1984 lived ina 400 square foot apartment.
In the hood, when I was 17years old, I slept on the couch,
most nights he slept in thebedroom and I went from that to
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living on Wilshire Boulevard.
I think my zip code was 924.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
That's my privilege, yeah, 924.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
That's me working my ass off.
And only in America.
I know you were joking, only in.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
America.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
They're really were joking, only in America.
They're really going to hit youafter that.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Absolutely.
Could that happen?
Could you go from one bedroom400 square foot apartment, you
and your dad in the hood, to 924zip code, wilshire Boulevard,
and you taking care of your dadas he ages out and his business
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that he started struggling,taking care of your mother,
taking care of people in yourfamily?
That's the American dream andwas open to me, like it's open
to everybody else.
Don't, don't bring out noviolin crying.
I know just too many peoplethat came from nothing white and
black and I've seen them riseup through just showing up and
putting the work in, and so youknow the white privilege thing
(24:11):
cracks me up it's hard work,though you put in the hard work
yeah and I've heard, like morganfreeman, say very similar
things to this, like like hard,work, work hard and it's there
for you again you guys haven'tworked in corporate America.
I have.
All you have to do is show up.
Most people don't show up.
They come up with excuses to belate or to miss work or to not
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do work.
I went to college.
When I didn't show up for class, I got bad grades.
When I did show up to classoccasionally, I got good grades.
That's what we've always said.
When I did show up to classoccasionally, I got good grades.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
That's what we've always said we don't feel like
going in and writing today.
It's like you've got to show up.
We've always told everybodythat.
We've always told the youngwriters that Show up, just go,
show up.
I don't care how bad you feel,show up, yes.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Well, and talking about, because you mentioned
Morgan Wallen, and I've onlyheard one song record and I
think it was uh.
So it's uh, the hook was Imight be crazy, but the world's
insane, that's only, that's onlyone I've heard and I was like
well, damn ain't no wonder he'sdoing better than most people,
because to me that that thatspoke to me.
He's doing great stuff and he'sat a level where he can do it,
he can say whatever he wants,whatever he's feeling, whatever
(25:19):
he believes, and that's whatyou're talking about.
In the beginning of our careers, we're, we're not, I'm not
coming in and saying, hey, Iwant to take a stance, you know,
against things that arehappening in the world and
religion and and things likethat.
And the music business isliberal.
I'm like I gotta make somemoney.
I got fifty thousand dollars indebt and and what?
What are people liking?
And so then I'm, I'm chasing,I'm chasing that, just trying to
(25:41):
get songs recorded, period, andand you think everybody's the
same and you just, you justthink, hey, we're all you know
in country music and and we allbelieve the same way and
everything.
And you realize the world isnot like that, you know, and
we've talked about the bubble.
Now you've came from, everybodyhas their, their place that
they came from and and so, so,so for me, you know, to get to a
(26:06):
place.
That's later, let's say, we'reseasoned in the industries,
we've been here a minute, youknow, right and so, but just as
it had nothing to do.
Really.
I'll try that in small townreally, you know, for for all of
us where it came from it,wasn't it?
It kind of it really just camebecause you're mad at what's
happening in the world, which isto your point where you write
deeper and you write more realthings, as opposed to me just
trying to make money andretirement and things like that.
(26:31):
I'm like this moves me and as aconservative Christian, we're
the nice guys, we don't sayanything, and that's been the
problem.
We don't say anything until theworld goes freaking crazy, they
go nuts, and then you're like,okay, we got to say something.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Well, I mean, you look at the left.
The left in the entertainmentindustry have no problem
whatsoever voicing what theywant to say, because they're not
worried about being canceledfrom the powers that be at all.
And that's all we worried aboutwhen we wrote this song.
It's like they're not going tocut this.
Nobody's going to cut this.
Jason Aldean's the only one.
Who's going to cut this song,and he did, and they tried to
(27:09):
kill it but they couldn't, andthat's where I think the wind's
blowing our direction.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
People are figuring out.
Am I the only one?
Try that.
In a small town these can makemoney you put a crack in the dam
.
Yes, it's holding people back.
And people want this.
People always want the truth.
There's always a thirst theycan call us conspiracy theorists
, they can call it, but it'sjust a thirst for truth.
And they want authenticity.
(27:41):
And you know again why do I loveJeffrey Steele?
He's authentic.
Everything that comes out ofhis mouth to me as a friend, his
struggle with his boy dying,all of that there's an authentic
friendship.
And so literally, I'm justtelling you, because Jeffrey
vouches for you, it instantlymakes me love you and think well
(28:03):
, there's no way, jeffrey, he'sso authentic, no way he's
introducing me to a bad guy.
And that when I hear the music,when I see Jason Aldean step
out here, when I see Aaron Lewis, I'm not saying these guys are
perfect because they're not, butI'm like at least they're real.
And that when someone's real, Ilike them and I can deal with
(28:26):
all kinds of flaws All kind oflong as you're real.
And that when someone's real, Ilike them and I can deal with
all kinds of flaws, all kinds,as long as you're real.
And real music will always win.
And I look at so much.
I cry out as someone that lovesR&B.
The music is so inauthentic.
Someone that used to appreciatesome aspects of rap music.
(28:46):
It's so inauthentic.
These guys are so dressed up incostumes.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
They all look like.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Kiss, tats and all.
They're all some sort.
And it's like I look back atKiss music because again I've
been re-examining music and,like you know, kiss is okay but
it don't speak to it.
They're a gimmick.
And I'm not trying to take ashot at Gene.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
Simmons, he's a gimmick, he would tell you it
was a gimmick yeah but to yourpoint you can look at, like NWA
back in the day, why it was soinfectious and they were talking
about things that were going on.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I totally disagree.
Really Most fraudulent group inthe history of music.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Oh my lord.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Jim strict that from the record, jim, I want to hear
this.
I want to hear this this isfantastic.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Go on.
This is the best episode we'veever had.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Go listen to their music.
People feel like, oh, they werespeaking, blah, blah, blah.
They had one song thatallegedly spoke against the the
police.
I've had young journalists that, oh, man, nwa, they were kind
of like public enemy and theyput out all these revolutionary
(29:58):
songs and I've had people go golook at their.
They put out two albums.
Go find me the song other thanthe police, which is a bogus
song.
Other than that, what's theirsong that has any value, value,
stands the test of time in termsof message blah, blah, blah.
And there isn't a song, thereis not one.
(30:20):
You go through their two albums, go listen to the songs, go
listen to what they're.
It's all bitches and hoes, andbitches ain't shit, but hoes,
buttholes and tricks.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Lick on my sense of my language, I've let a lot go
by, but we've never said ballsand stuff I don't like to cuss
but I'm just telling you whatthey rapped
Speaker 2 (30:46):
about and it's their part of the psyop, they're part
of the whole media ecosystemthat has, quite frankly, put
black people in the musicindustry in a certain lane.
This is all you can do Cuss,talk about strippers and hoes,
(31:07):
talk about radical materialism.
I will agree with that.
Talk about that's all you cando because, trust me, I know the
rappers that are storytellers,like really clever, and are
trying to say something.
There's an independent rapperfrom Kansas City named Tech N9ne
.
This dude is brilliant, tellsintricate stories, blah, blah.
And he could never themainstream.
(31:30):
And he's had a greatindependent career, made a lot
of money as an independentrapper, but he could never the
mainstream.
And he's had a greatindependent career and made a
lot of money as an independentrapper, but he could never get
and Quincy Jones called him thenext big thing, the Michael
Jackson of rap or whatever.
But because he refused to fullysubmit to the formula he could
never get put on the way NWA and, just like the whole police
(31:55):
brutality deal, it's a psyop.
It's it's, having grown up inthe hood, my dad's business in
the hood.
Black people aren't sittingaround on a day to day basis.
Tom, oh man, I hope the policedon't beat me up or kill me.
Today they're sitting up.
I hope Pookie and the Crips andthe Bloods are the gangster
(32:19):
disciples.
I hope they don't shoot us uptonight when we go out and try
to have a little fun.
That's what they're talkingabout.
I'm talking about my father'sbar in the heart of the hood.
For 30 years he carried a .38every day of his life.
It wasn't to keep the police atbay, it was pooky in them and
(32:40):
it's this whole thingof.
I'm a speeder, love to drivefast.
I try to do better.
But I'm saying I get pulledover a lot over the course of my
life and I've been driving aMercedes Benz for 35 years.
I get a Mercedes and I keepthem for 10 to 12 years.
(33:01):
So for 35 years I've had threedifferent Mercedes, nice cars,
and this is how I dress mostdays.
I used to wear an earring, usedto wear a little gold chain, a
little jewelry or whatever.
And I've had one bad experiencewith a cop one, and that was in
1991.
(33:22):
I was driving a Honda Preludeat that time.
One bad, it was a badexperience.
He thought I was a cat burglar.
I'm like bro, look at me.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Cat burglar.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
Come on now.
I wasn't a receiver.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
One bad experience.
The rest I kill them with somuch kindness.
I got about a 72% rate ofwarning ticket and hey, listen
to your show.
Or hey, uh, let's take them sooff guard by yes, sir, no.
So, oh, I'm sorry, blah, blah,blah, blah.
And I got about a 72 successrate with warning tickets and
(34:02):
just slow down, buddy.
And.
But no bad experiences otherthan that one.
And and so it's just like it's amyth, it's.
There's a strategy, there's aas men and that's the point of
my show as men, we're supposedto treat life like a chess match
and we're supposed to be verystrategic in how we deal with
(34:26):
people.
And so when I deal with thepolice, I'm like OK, what can I
do to avoid a ticket and to getback on the road as soon as I
can?
Well, if I yes or no, sir, thisguy smile on my face give him
what he wants instantly my, thepercentages all go up that I'm
going to get a warning and I'mgoing to get out of here as
(34:48):
quick as possible.
That's how you approach life wekeep telling black men.
Approach life in the dumbestway possible.
Argue with that police officer.
There's nobody, white or black,that wins an argument with a
police officer.
It just does not happen.
And so we give black people themessage of be as dumb as
possible, be as unstrategic aspossible, and we'll get you
(35:12):
lawyers and we'll get you adoctor that will.
When they beat you up and theytake you downtown, we'll get you
a doctor to fix you up.
And I don't want to get fixedup.
I want to go home and move onwith my life, because I got
better things to do than toargue and bicker with the police
.
And so if you look at theactual stats of police brutality
(35:32):
, the data screams.
Police pretty much bend overbackwards to avoid conflict
because they want to go home too.
And then the people that wantto argue with them.
While on fentanyl your deathrate just goes up, and George
Floyd found that out.
He effed around or fentanylaround, and found out.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
Oh, the truth.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
podcast I tell my son , look I said look, whatever you
do, and we look.
We've all had like me, andAlvin got pulled over in 97,
heading to Georgia got pulledover and emptied out a whole car
.
They were sure that we haddrugs and I don't blame them of
course we had drugs, but I wouldsay the one thing I didn't do
(36:21):
was try to run or take his gunor argue or just it is what it
is anyway.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I'm the same way.
It's like I pulled over evennot long ago.
This first thing I did was Iknow I was being.
I'm so sorry you were, I justthought me, you know, just be
agreeable what were you doing?
I was feeding, yeah, or textingme I may have been doing that
too, hey you know, I was hearingyou talk about your dad and his
(36:53):
business, and then I saw aquote where you even said you
grew up on a bar stool, which isa country song, by the way.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Is that right?
No, it should be, it will be.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
It is now, but you won't get any percentage.
But that fascinated me.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Talk a little bit about that his days out on the
bar and you growing up in thatenvironment.
My dad owned three differentbars throughout my youth.
The first one was a littlesmall.
It had a private membership.
It was called the Triangle Club.
It was in the hood and this oneI was really young, probably
six, seven, eight years old.
He also owned a little bar shopcalled the Knothole in those
(37:34):
early years and he was a barber.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
What is a?
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Knothole.
Speaker 7 (37:38):
It's like a glory hole, but Wow.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
He didn't say the manhole.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
It's the opposite of a glory hole.
Sorry, Kurt.
I can't give you an explanationof what a Knoth hole is at this
point.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
It's a tree, and then , as I got a bit older, let's
say 9, 10, 11, around that agehe built a bigger, nicer club
right around the corner fromthat.
He and his partners that hadthe triangle club split up and
he went solo with a club hecalled Jimmy's J Bar J.
It's right around the corner,same place, but it was bigger.
And I watched him and, uh, hehad a friend that was a
(38:19):
contractor or handyman thatcould do everything, a guy named
mitch, and we me and my brotherwould, on weekends, would go
hand them tools as they builtthis bar, everything in this bar
, and that that was one of thegreat experiences of my youth to
see my father the, thesatisfaction I'm not a big fan
(38:41):
of the use of the word pride,but the pride he took in
building his own establishmentand business and it was a nice
place and was very popular andmy father during that stretch
did very well financially,didn't pay his taxes, and that's
how we ended up in a400-square-foot apartment in
1984.
(39:03):
The government takes everythingfrom him for tax evasion and so
from, I would think, from 1983to the next three years, he was
as broke as you can possibly be.
At some point I think in maybeit was 83, he was homeless,
living in his car by the time Isenior year.
(39:27):
In 84, my mother moves toKansas City, who I had been
living with.
Her job was transferred.
I was a very good high schoolfootball player on a team that
won the state championship andwas ranked ninth in the country.
I had to stay behind and playon that team.
I was the captain of that teamand it got me a football
scholarship and so I moved inwith my dad and again we were on
(39:47):
our rear end.
I think my dad was a bartenderfor a buddy of his during that
year, making $200 a week plustips and so, but I would think I
think it was 1986, one of hisbest friends wanted to sell
their bar, the MasterpieceLounge.
(40:07):
My dad got some sort of VA typeloan, bought that bar, the
Masterpiece Lounge.
My dad got some sort of VA typeloan, bought that bar, the
Masterpiece Lounge, and owned itfrom 1986 until his death in
2012.
And the Masterpiece Loungeright 38th and Sherman, east
side of Indianapolis, in thehood, it was a bar that catered
(40:28):
to factory workers and workingclass black people and it was
the greatest place on earth tome.
I love those guys.
We'd sit in there and talksports.
We'd sit in there.
These guys were, you know, justghetto legends and superstars.
You know, dressed up, they keepa lot of cash on a rubber band,
and they were ladies, men.
(40:50):
And these guys were my idolsand I would sit on the bar.
I wasn't a drinker, but I wouldjust sit at the bar and just
soak up their wisdom, theirstories, crack up, listen to
their jokes.
They'd ask me about my athleticcareer.
At that point I was playingcollege football, ball State,
(41:14):
and my dad owned it until hedied.
And you know my working classvalues and it's one of the
reasons why I'm so comfortablebeing MAGA is because and again,
these guys, most of these, mydad and his friends if they were
still alive, they'd be in theirmid to late 80s now, but most
(41:34):
of them are dead.
But they wouldn't understand itbecause they lived in their own
little bubble.
But they were black MAGA andthey were factory workers,
manufacturing people, people andthat what it's like.
(41:54):
When I heard trump's originalinauguration speech in 2016 or
17, when he went into, I waslike.
I called my mother and I waslike you should listen to
trump's inauguration speech.
He's talking about us.
My mother was a factory workertoo, and um, and I was, and so I
.
Those guys and that experiencethe the Masterpiece Lounge is
why someone like Steve Ford thatowns Losers in Nashville and
(42:20):
now Duck Blind with Riley Greenor whatever, it's just why these
guys are so relatable to me.
I don't know if you guys knowSteve Ford, but he and why can't
?
I think of Irv's last name.
Well, yeah, with George Stray,they're so Masterpiece Lounge,
(42:40):
they'd so fit in at theMasterpiece Lounge.
And you know, when Steve hadthe dog house, I lived right
down in that area initially whenI came here.
It's just me.
It's just me.
Maga is just me, and I wishthat MAGA white people and MAGA
black people could fullyunderstand just how much they
(43:01):
have in common worldview, wise,the beliefs, you know laugh at
the same jokes and all thatother stuff.
But we've created a societywhere, you know, we've allowed
the skin color thing not to seeour things we have in common.
I can see it clear as daybecause I've operated in both
(43:24):
worlds and you know, just mywhole mindset is working class
and sitting in a barstooltalking with people that you
know are just trying to makeends meet and just kind of want
to be left alone and just wantto have a beer and have some
laughs.
And you know, talk to a prettygirl and go home.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Do you think you've always been conservative?
Because it's kind of differenttrump now it is.
The conservatives are workingclass people.
It is more of that thing, butit I don't know if this is true
or not, but it felt like thatused to be what the left side
was and the democrats used to be, and I think it's flipped.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
I really do and I totally think, and I think big
just to what you're speaking of.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
But so was there a moment that you kind of realized
that?
Or were you always conservative?
Speaker 2 (44:16):
and then just I think I've always been conservative.
What I've mostly been ispatriarchal.
I believe in male leadership,and we're all.
I'm 57.
You guys are somewhere within12 years of me, I would think
Tully.
What are you mid-50s?
Speaker 5 (44:37):
Oh, you're 50?
.
Okay, I'm 59.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Got you, and so we all remember when Roots came out
and so I watched Roots, and asa kid this is late 70s, so we're
really young the, the uh.
When roots came out, the numberone thing I talked about was in
the first episode, kunta kente,over in africa, went off to
(45:03):
manhood training and uh left hisfamily, went off to be
discipled and trained by othermen in that tribe, and when he
came back his mother had to bedeferential to him.
You can see it in episode one.
You don't have to go very deep.
But he has an exchange with hismother where she has to treat
(45:26):
him differently.
He's a man now.
There's a certain way she hasto talk to him and the whole
thing is flipped.
And as a kid I turned to myfamily after episode once.
That's the way things need tobe, and I'm just a little kid,
I'm not a Kunta Kenney, but I'mlike that's the way things need
to be.
And so there's this instinctivething I didn't learn.
(45:49):
I just felt like there's apoint where a man becomes a man
and mama and everybody elsethat's a man and there's a way
you got to treat a man andthere's a role that a man is
supposed to play, alwaysbelieved in that.
And so where the Democrats lostme is they don't believe in any
(46:13):
of that, that they believe womencan be men.
They believe that you don'tneed men in a family, you don't,
you don't need a man, and I'mjust like that's and I've
figured out as an adult, likehey, that's completely
unbiblical, but it's also justcompletely unwise.
You know there's and I've hadproblems with friends, family,
(46:40):
over my highly patriarchalworldview and you know I want to
be careful and respectful.
But even my mother, who myparents divorced when I was five
years old or so, and mymother's a bit of a feminist and
and I don't like feminists andI think it's insanity when women
(47:05):
think they don't need a man andand you know I want to be
careful and disrespectful, but,but my mother needs me and has
needed me.
She lives in my house, she eatsout of forks that I bought,
bowls that I bought, drinks outof cups that I bought, you know,
and so I just don't have a realtolerance for the view that
(47:31):
woman doesn't need man and thatmentality and mindset is
plaguing the black community.
There's a belief that you don'tneed a man.
And I keep saying to people.
Well, let's look at the results.
You got young boys out herewith their pants halfway off,
their rear end tatted up, canbarely speak English.
(47:51):
Academic performance keepsgetting worse and worse.
You sure you don't need a man?
Are you sure You're doing sucha great job With these young
boys that they can't read, theycan't pull their pants up.
They can't get a job.
They can't do what men aresupposed to do Provide, but
(48:12):
you're doing a great job.
You don't get a job.
They can't do what men aresupposed to do provide, but
you're doing a great job.
You don't need a man, are yousure?
And so that's just been aninstinct in me since I was a
little kid.
And then, as I went further inmy faith journey, I was like oh
man, man, my instincts line upwith the big man upstairs what
(48:35):
an coincidence right no, it'strue
Speaker 5 (48:39):
oh my gosh, I don't disagree with the word he said
no first time the first time Isaw him I was like I'm you know,
I'm scrolling and I come across.
The first time I saw one of hisposts and i'm'm like my fingers
wouldn't let me go.
I was like, oh, I'm listeningto this whole, I'm listening to
everything this guy has to say.
So I put it down, listen.
And I was hooked ever since.
(49:00):
And it's this stuff right here,and I'm totally in line with
you.
We're going to get a lot ofhate.
Let him know, I'm totally inline line with it.
I had heard you hated women.
I mean, I've heard I love them,I love them.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
I just want to find a quiet one.
Speaker 6 (49:17):
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eating out that four hand andafter the break we're going to
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Patriot Mobile Studios, we weretalking a little bit off air.
Speaker 5 (51:07):
I got a new name for it.
What Jason?
What is it?
Jason Aldean Whitlock, jaw Jaw,the jaw, the jaw.
I got a new name for what,jason?
What is it?
Jason Aldean Whitlock, jaw Jaw,the jaw, the jaw.
I like it, you've seen themovie Jaws yeah, it's perfect.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
You ever have a nickname?
We talk a lot about nicknames,unfortunately.
Yes, okay, what is?
Speaker 2 (51:23):
it.
It was Big, sexy.
I like it Big Mouth, sexyOpinions I love that Big.
Mouth Sexy opinions.
I love that Big mouth sexyopinions For years.
That's a good nickname and Ilet it go, though I let it go.
Speaker 4 (51:36):
It's a tough one to let go A man with a nickname is
a man looking for trouble.
Speaker 5 (51:40):
Ooh, you hear that you call yourself some name and
then you got to live up to it.
We're looking for one for him.
That's a good point.
He's the only one in the groupthat doesn't have a nickname.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
Well, I do, but I don't.
How about?
Speaker 1 (51:51):
star.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Jason thinks you're a star.
I feel beat down.
But you know we're just tryingto inspire men to quit
apologizing for being men.
Quit apologizing for yournatural instincts to be a leader
Leader in your home, leader inyour community, leader in your
family.
Quit apologizing for that.
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That's what you're supposed todo.
Quit apologizing for havingChristian values.
Don't let people convince youthat your Christian values are
racist.
They're not.
They're biblical and that'sjust the devil talking to you
trying to demonize yourChristian values, your
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commitment to family, yourcommitment to law and order,
your instinct to protect yourchildren's innocence, as the
left tries.
No, no, no, no.
They need to talk to a dragqueen, they need to see a drag
queen gyrate in front of them orthey won't, uh, really properly
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develop and be inclusive.
The fact that your instinct asa man that makes the hair stand
up on your back here and there,that's a good thing.
If it doesn't, it's a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
You're probably gay there it is but where are those
men?
Speaker 7 (53:11):
seriously, like I think about you just said so
many things.
Every single word it soundsoutrageous, like if you're, if
you're a father, and I justcan't imagine subjecting your
children to that or wanting to.
Speaker 5 (53:27):
I guess those people are out there they're not real
men, the ones ones that allowthat.
It's sad, it's really sad.
Not real women.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Children have a right to innocence.
That's what I mean, and we'remaking them think about sex long
before they're ready.
Have conversations about sex,children sit around and think,
oh, I feel like a little girl.
Trust me, son, that'll pass intwo days.
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As soon as you touch her.
That's going to go away, trustme.
It's just we got to let kids bekids and let them develop.
How many tomboys have we known?
Girls that were too tall, girlsthat were chubby, that it just
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took them some time to developinto their womanhood and they
figure it out.
We're stealing all of that.
And the left is saying, nope,let's sexualize them and get
them involved in sex long beforethey're ready.
And those of you with biblicalvalues and just common sense,
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they're like nah, that can wait.
Just teach them.
Two plus two is four and shutthe hell up.
Don't be ashamed of that yeah,that's roll call 3.0 are you
kidding me?
Speaker 3 (54:54):
second and third go check that out.
Jason whitlock tucker the truth.
Speaker 5 (54:58):
The truth is hard to listen to sometimes, but it's
all true.
Speaker 7 (55:01):
It's dead on true what you're saying, though the
truth he what he saying.
This is common sense stuff.
Yeah, we've drifted that farNot us, but people have drifted
that far.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
We're talking about this like it's crazy you go back
with Tucker a while right.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yeah, would appear on his Fox News show.
Let's say over the last eightyears of his Fox News show.
You know, let's say over thelast eight years of his Fox News
show, I would come on prettyfrequently, once every, let's
say, 10 days or so.
He would bring me on basicallyto bring up the biblical
perspective on topics and hejust wanted that to be a part of
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his show, a regular part of hisshow.
I think in let's say, the lastthree years of his time at Fox
News he could sense that maybethe powers that be didn't want
that perspective on the show.
But all of the feedback theygot from their audience, all the
metrics, it's like man, whenWhitlock comes on, people love
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it.
And they love it when he startsquoting the Bible or just puts
a biblical spin on whatever thenews of the day is.
And then and I don't say thisout of any sort of trying to
take credit or bragging, butTucker will tell you it's like I
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help open his eyes to the factthat like, hey, these political
things we're debating, there's aspiritual element to this.
There's a good versus evilelement.
And then things got so out ofcontrol in America and they're
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rallies in support of abortionand killing their babies.
And they're going throughconvulsions.
How dare you take away my rightreproductive rights to kill my
baby?
And they're just like well,hold on, is it really that
important?
I mean, are condoms unavailablein your community?
Is closing your legs not anoption?
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There's nothing you can doother than abort your baby, to
stop you from having a baby.
And at some point you're justlike, oh man, these people
believe in child sacrifice.
This is a cult.
This is they think like oh man,these people believe in child
sacrifice.
This is a cult.
This is they think, like theSecond Amendment should the
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right to bear arms should bereplaced with the right to kill
your baby?
But like, it's that importantand and at some point you had to
go, well, hold on, this isspiritual, this is demonic.
This isn't.
You know, there are so manyoptions at our hands, fingertips
, to prevent pregnancy, and Ithat.
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And they think well, the onlything that matters is my ability
to kill a baby in the womb.
That's some sort of mentalpsychosis that they're in and
there has to be a spiritualelement to this.
Just common sense and logiccan't explain it when they're
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bringing an abortion van to theDemocratic Convention so you can
go in and hear Kamala speak andwalk out and kill a baby and
all in one night and, you know,smoke a little weed when it's
over, or whatever you do afteryou kill a baby.
There's uh a spiritual elementto this and and I help tucker uh
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understand, and then that'sinformed his worldview and
perspective and what he does inthe media space, I think over
the last five years, and so youknow I'm a big supporter of
Tucker.
He's clearly a big supporter ofmine.
That's why he's coming intotown.
Speaker 5 (59:04):
I hope that roll call is like an ongoing thing.
It is.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
This is the third year and I probably shouldn't
say this, but my hope is thatthis goes so well because Tucker
has a daughter that lives here.
Tucker's chief I'm telling toomuch, but Tucker's chief of
staff is moving here.
He's got an office here, and soI want this to be an ongoing
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thing between tucker and I andwe just grow it and get it
bigger and better, because asbelievers and as conservatives,
we have to have influence in thecultural space.
We can't just give it all tothem, and I think through
country music and through gospelmusic, we can make an impact in
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the arts and culture worldthrough an alliance between
Tucker and I, and we can helpbelievers understand that,
regardless of you know, whateverlevel of melanin you have in
your skin, if you havesurrendered to Jesus Christ,
there's an alliance that weshould have as believers that
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goes well beyond the differencesin our skin color, and that our
identity should be taken inChrist and our identity should
be taken within our sharedvalues.
And so I just am inviting allpeople that believe or want to
believe or just looking for abetter way than God, jesus
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Christ, and let that be ouralliance, because so many people
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want you to align over yoursexual identity and, and that is
so retarded and stupid that youknow how you get an orgasm
should be how you find an allyand and and you know, just think
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it through logically.
You know, I can take my righthand and have an orgasm.
A woman can take a right handand have an orgasm.
A woman can take a vibrator andhave an orgasm.
It's okay.
Is that really what?
we should align over.
I know it's, it's insanity, andand uh and actually I would
have to use my left hand.
I just forgot I'm a left.
Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Way too much information.
I just want to be clear.
Speaker 5 (01:01:42):
Wow, hey mom, I want to know that it's my other hand
not my right hand.
Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
I know exactly what you're trying to say, though I
know exactly what you're sayingOn a serious note, I know what
he's talking about.
I bet you do.
Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
I'm not talking about the left or right hand I'm
talking about it becoming anidol, I mean it becomes, it
becomes seriously, it becomes anaddiction and it becomes their
God.
Yes, it really does.
Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Yes, their sexual orientation becomes their God,
absolutely.
And then they have to go.
Literally.
I said to someone that wasupset with me and was like Jason
, I was made gay and blah, blah,blah and that's what I like.
And God made me like men and Iwas like, no, he didn't for one.
But at the end of the day, justbecause you like something
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doesn't mean it should becomeyour God and your identity.
I like McDonald's.
Ronald McDonald should not bemy God and it's been my mistake
for making Ronald McDonald myGod and I should fight that, my
gluttony.
And so, okay, I like premaritalsex.
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Should that be my God?
No, I should reject.
So.
Just because you like somethingdoesn't mean it should rule you
and it's actually and I don'twant to be offensive to the
women watching but like.
That's kind of a femininethought, it's feelings, it's
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prioritizing your feelings.
Oh, I feel like a woman, soeverybody should treat me like
one.
Well, I don't really care aboutyour feelings.
God doesn't care about yourfeelings.
What I feel, what I think, whatI like completely irrelevant,
because this person was reachingout to me over Twitter, says
he's a believer in Jesus Christand I was like you don't
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understand that what you like isirrelevant.
What God like is the only thingthat matters.
It's the only thing, and I tryto let that rule me, because if
I go with what I like, I'm goingto hit a McDonald's drive-thru
on the way home.
If I go with what I like, I'mgoing to hit a McDonald's
drive-thru on the way home.
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If I go with what God's light,I'm going to drive home, get in
bed, get up at 6 am, work outand do the right things.
If I do what I like, I may stopat Losers tonight and try to
pick up one of the barmaidsbecause that's what I like, but
God wants me to go home, find awife and like that and satisfy
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myself with that.
Go home, find a wife and andlike that and satisfy myself
with that.
It's people we over inflate ourrelevance and importance.
We're all unimportant andirrelevant and we all should be
trying.
How can I do what god likes?
Because what I like will leadto my destruction.
Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
It's a fact, it's truth and tell you here we are.
Masturbation is normal I'm notsaying it's accepted?
Speaker 6 (01:04:53):
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
I don't want you to feel so uncomfortable and I saw
that on camera and I love you.
Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
This table.
Don't you forget, don't youforget.
We love you.
Speaker 6 (01:05:06):
God loves you, and I mean that.
Speaker 7 (01:05:09):
No matter what you do with your left hand Because I
love you.
Speaker 6 (01:05:12):
Why are you doing this to me?
Because I love you, because heloves you.
Yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
It's clear who can pivot from here.
Someone pivot, please, please,pivot.
I'll try.
Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
Just go to just attend Roll Call 3.0.
Fearlessrollcallcom,fearlessrollcallcom, do it Go.
Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
May 2nd and May 3rd.
Don't miss it.
You know you've got a lot ofthings you talk about.
I don't know how you jugglethem all.
I really don't, Because whetherit's sports, culture, religion,
all of that, you seem to handlethat really well.
I saw a quote that you had andI thought it was really
interesting.
(01:05:52):
You said you'd like to makecomfortable people feel
uncomfortable is that right?
Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
no, I think what you may have seen me say is I don't
mind being I'm comfortable whenpeople are uncomfortable around
me.
Ooh, okay, that's what I whichis a totally different thing,
but explain that it's as ajournalist, we've moved into
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this space where everybody, whenthey walk in a press box or
walk into any setting, they wanteverybody to like them.
That was never me, and it's notthat I wanted everyone to
dislike me.
I just knew that, as ajournalist, if I'm on a pursuit
of truth, people are going to beuncomfortable around me and I'm
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very comfortable when peopleare uncomfortable around me.
That was a journalistic truththat I was expressing.
I didn't realize it at the timebecause that's always been my
philosophy.
That that's a biblical truththat as Christians, when we
stand on our actual values,people are going to be
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uncomfortable around us and asChristians, you have to get
comfortable with theirdiscomfort.
We're not going to be liked Ifyou stand on truth.
You're not going to be liked.
If you defend Jesus Christ,you're not going to be liked.
Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
You got to get comfortable with that, that's
awesome and that's a completelydifferent statement, but it's
amazing.
Yeah, I love that.
So talk about this.
You know the sports world hasseen this infusion of politics
within sports can I?
Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
I want to add one more thing.
Yeah, music makers and this isa secular position, but if
you're going to make great musicin this time, you're gonna have
to get comfortable with peoplebeing uncomfortable around you.
We were experiencing that, ifyou're going to make great music
, yeah, if you're going to makepopular music and secular music
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and degenerate music, people aregonna be very comfortable dude.
Speaker 5 (01:08:04):
We were called whoopi goldberg, called.
She said the songwriters ofthis song must be the most
racist people alive.
And I don't know about theseguys, but I had family calling
me going.
Are you okay?
Are you doing all right?
I'm like, what are you talking?
Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
it's the greatest day of my life because I knew the
truth let me go all the way backto tully and nwa, because that
was on camera, I believe.
Yeah, yeah, tully and NWA.
So Whoopi Goldberg tried thatin a small town.
Dr Dre, one of the greatmembers of NWA, had a song Never
Hesitate to Put a Nigga on HisBack.
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Whoopi Goldberg would nevercomplain about that, never.
And he's making a song aboutI'll never hesitate to kill a
black man, she'll never object.
And dr drake's very comfortablesinging a song about I'll never
hesitate to kill a black personand and and.
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No one's uncomfortable withthat, that's normal.
Try that in a small town.
Try that in a small town.
People are very uncomfortableand it's retarded.
The world is upside down.
Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
It's retarded.
We felt it and we survived.
I'm sorry, kurt, I just wantedto bring that all the way back
to music and if you want to dosomething great that puts you on
the side of God.
Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
People are going to be very uncomfortable with you
and it's not that.
Try that in a Small Town issome kind of gospel Christian
song, but it is a truthful songthat reflects how people are
feeling and it speaks to thejustification for feeling that
way and and people are going tobe very uncomfortable.
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And so if you want to makegreat music, great art, you want
to do something that has a realimpact.
You got to get comfortable withpeople not liking you.
Speaker 6 (01:10:02):
Well, sorry no, go ahead my dad always said, and
other people always said, youknow, if you get to be an old
man and you have a couplefriends on, on one hand you're,
you're a blessed man.
I was thinking I was younger,like I got I got 20, 20 best
friends, you know 30, whateverolder I get and the more I say
my opinions about certain thingsabout certain people and
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certain friends that I love andthey start dwindling, they
dwindle, they dwindle, theydwindle, until it's true you get
them on one hand Because you'renot going to have it.
I mean, if I could be 80 yearsold, I have this table, I'll be
blessed.
I mean, it's just amazing howmany friends will drop.
I lost one yesterday offpodcast.
Speaker 5 (01:10:47):
Because of the subject matter we're talking
about.
Speaker 6 (01:10:49):
Yeah, and because, me and Not in my concern.
Not in my concern.
Speaker 5 (01:10:56):
Jesse's not afraid to name names, but I feel I lost
one just for being who I am man.
Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
Just because of what?
Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Scripture says that's right I had a conversation with
a close family member and I waslike that really thinks they're
into the word and and I waslike now you know, when you
really get into this word,you're going to lose friends
you're not gonna have.
(01:11:25):
You know, when you man, I gotthe same friends I've had for
the last 50 years, it's like ohboy, you actually tell it on
yourself because this word hecame with a sword and uh, this
word is going to separate youfrom people very, very close to
you who aren't willing to standon this word.
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And so it's not that you wantto lose friends, aren't willing
to stand on this word.
And so it's not that you wantto lose friends.
You want everybody to go onthat journey and and to become
as bold.
But as you become wise and youbecome immersed in the word, you
should become more bold andthat boldness should actually
separate you from people thatyou love dearly, because they're
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not really ready to go thereand they're not really to accept
who you really are and andyou'll lose them.
And it's not that you want to,but the word changes you and if
you don't have some sort oftestimony about me and not that
I've done life right becauseI've done it wrong about man,
and not that I've done liferight because I've done it wrong
.
But I got some real testimonyabout like I used to be in a
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strip club until 3 am threenights a week.
Let's talk about that.
Speaker 7 (01:12:40):
Tell us about that.
Jason, please continue.
Speaker 6 (01:12:46):
Do you need water?
Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
So I was in this champagne room.
That's when the Lord spoke tome.
But I haven't been in a stripclub in, I think, seven or eight
years and it's because of theword, and the fleshly part of me
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misses it.
But I so fear God.
That and that's why I wear myfaith on my sleeve is because if
someone sees me step into theSpearmint Rhino in Las Vegas, I
want them to say that dude sayshe's a Christian.
And then I got to duck my headand I got to leave because I
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look foolish when you run aroundbeating your chest.
I'm a Christian, I'm a Christian.
And that's what I try toexplain to men.
Everybody wants to wear theirfaith in private and I'm like no
, if you really want to cleanyourself up, wear it publicly.
And that way, when someone cutsyou off in traffic, you can't
blow your horn and give them thefinger Because, like man, I'm a
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Christian.
I can't do that.
Blah, blah, blah.
And people want to hide theirfaith so that they're free to do
whatever they want to do.
And they want to put on allthese other titles.
And I was like thisconservative title.
It's useless Because, as aconservative, I used to talk to
conservatives in strip clubs.
I used to, you know, argue andcurse at other conservatives.
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Conservatives would curse andargue with me.
But when you put on thatChristian title, all them
options go away and they getreduced.
And that's the only way I'vebeen able to clean up my
behavior is by submitting andtelling everybody hey, I've
submitted and it's no different.
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When we came upstairs, what didI tell y'all?
Man, I've been on one meal aday for 60 days and blah, blah,
blah.
That's to let all y'all know.
Don't offer me no food.
Now I'm on one meal a day.
Accountability, I'm fat.
And the next thing you know,y'all said well, I'm going to
help Whitlock on his journey.
I'm not going to offer him anyfood, but it used to be.
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I show up in a room andeverybody wants, every woman
wants, to feed me, and they getupset.
What do you mean?
You don't want a third helping.
You're big, sexy, and that'swhy I'm telling you about
nicknames and you start havingto live up to them and again.
So you call yourself big, yougot to stay big.
You call yourself sexy, you gotto have sex.
Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
You got to go to strip clubs.
Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
That's why let me dust that nickname off.
My mama called me Jason.
Called me Jason, it's abiblical name, and I've taken on
this title of Christian so thatI have a set of parameters that
I have to answer to.
Not that I do it all the time,but I try constantly to live up
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to that new title I've givenmyself Christian and we should
all make that attempt.
Amen, that's a daily thing, Yep.
Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
And you're right, nobody's perfect, and nor are we
supposed to be.
Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
You're never going to be.
Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
It's an unattainable journey.
Let's wrap it up so I can tellthese strip club stories,
because I've got a million ofthem.
Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
Believe me we do need that.
Strippers need witness too, andthat's the end.
Thank you for listening.
Speaker 6 (01:16:32):
Where?
Where are you going to see himat the waffle house?
Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
I mean, you're asleep by 9, 30 so we do need to wrap
it up, though.
Anybody else got something.
That's been amazing.
I'm thankful for the wholenight.
Uh, absolutely we.
You know we say this a lot.
We try to have people on thatlike embody the spirit of what
we feel, like you know we did.
It's like you're standing upfor what you believe in, against
the mainstream narrative.
Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
You are that plus plus, you know, a thousand, but
the only reason I want this tocontinue is because this old
fashioned that Neil made me hasa lot of pop, and so I was like
I'm going to sit on this showand keep talking until my buzz
goes away.
Until my buzz goes away and Iknow I can drive back to
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Nashville, so I think.
Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
I'm there, I think I'm there, I know.
Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
I can drive back to Nashville.
How do you feel?
Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
I think I'm there.
I'll guzzle down another waterand I'm ready to go.
Speaker 6 (01:17:14):
No rush out Do you have someone in your heart.
Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
No, I think I'm sober , all right.
Speaker 6 (01:17:21):
We do want to one more time remind people of Roll
Call.
Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Make sure you go get your tickets for that.
Follow Jason on X at JasonWhitlock.
Whitlock time.
Remind people of roll call.
Uh, make sure you go get yourtickets for that.
Follow jason on x at jasonwhitlock whitlock jason.
Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Sorry at whitlock jason.
Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
Yes instagram real jason well real jason whitlock
youtube.
Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Youtubecom.
Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Slash jason whitlock absolutely, and if you're
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Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
I'm sorry, kurt for coming on.
I will say this you got anyquestions for us well, just a
lovely home like this and such alovely wife, I I will have to
get invited back for a meal.
I I I saw your kitchen andthere's could be major work done
in that kitchen that's a fact.
Speaker 7 (01:18:05):
I gotta, I got, to say something, neil's wife.
Let me tell you somethingthere's no one better at
entertaining and feeding,cooking.
Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
I was talking about cooking.
Speaker 7 (01:18:16):
That kitchen is a staging area for great things.
Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
She is the best host.
Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Tell me this, Neil.
This is a documented fact.
Dr Fauci has the scientists.
This is scientifically proven.
No one makes better home friedchicken than yours truly.
Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
Really yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
And it doesn't matter what kitchen I'm in, it doesn't
matter.
Would love to come back here, Iwill provide you know.
Would love to come back here, Iwill provide the chicken.
Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
Yeah, love to come back here the oil and make some
fried chicken.
You're used to oil, I bring myown, I bring my own I was going
to say I bet he's got his
Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
own oil.
Speaker 7 (01:18:59):
I want the Whitlock oil.
It's a little secret recipethat I don't share with anybody
anybody.
Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
But okay, you know, boy, or you can come to my house
and I could make it there, uh,but you know you're gonna have
to talk to her, oh yeah oh,she's, I mean she runs the show
around here.
Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
I wear the pants, she picks them out yeah, if y'all
I'm just if y'all picked abetter day, that that's I would
have come in early, fried somechicken.
We would have sat here and atethe chicken while we were having
this conversation yeah, andy'all could have been telling
everybody about part two.
Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Well, part two.
Speaker 5 (01:19:33):
You're going to come back and we can do this again.
Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
We could definitely come back, or I've already
invited you to my home.
Okay, all of you guys to myhome.
You're sitting there with meand Jeffrey.
We get you.
Jeffrey, my studio couldbabysit five of us.
Speaker 5 (01:19:50):
That's how many is here, Jason?
Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
We got Jeffrey Jeffrey's coming.
Anything I do at my house,Jeffrey's always there.
That's going to turn into a jamsession.
Speaker 5 (01:20:00):
You understand that, right?
Speaker 6 (01:20:02):
We barely scratched the surface with what a great
man you are and everythingyou've done.
Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
You don't know me well.
If you're calling me a greatman, I'm telling you Stop trying
to eat journalists, he's trying
Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
to make sure he's invited.
Speaker 6 (01:20:14):
I love chicken.
Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
I really want to be there.
You tried.
Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
K-Lo oh my gosh, we are coming to you from the
Patriot Mobile Studios.
Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
We thank Jason Whitlock for being here.
Thank you guys for listening.
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
They're part of the PSYOP, they're part of the whole
media ecosystem that has, quitefrankly, put Black people in
the music industry in a certainlane.
This is all you can do.
Cuss, talk about strippers andhoes, talk about radical
materialism.
I will agree with that.
(00:52):
Talk about that's all you cando, cause, trust me, I know the
rappers that are storytellers,like really clever, and are
trying to say something Well, Idon't really care about your
feelings.
God doesn't care about yourfeelings.
What I feel, what I think, whatI like completely irrelevant,
(01:13):
cause this person was reachingout to me over Twitter says he's
a believer in Jesus Christ andI was like you don't understand
that what you like is irrelevant.
What God like is the only thingthat matters.
If you look at the actual statsof police brutality, the data
screams.
Police pretty much bend overbackwards to avoid conflict
(01:38):
because they want to go home too.
And then the people that wantto argue with them.
While on fentanyl, your deathrate just goes up, and George
Floyd found that out.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
The Try that in a Small Town podcast begins now.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
All right, everybody, welcome back.
This is the Try that in a SmallTown podcast coming to you from
the Patriot Mobile Studios.
It's going to be a fun night.
I got Caleb, I got Thrash, Igot TK and tonight's going to be
awesome.
We've got somebody who is notafraid to speak their mind.
It's going to be fearless.
(02:22):
He might even give you a runfor your money, whether it's
about politics, sports, culture,religion, whatever to speak
their mind.
This is going to be fearless.
I might even give you a run foryour money, whether it's about
politics, sports, culture,religion, whatever it is.
He's an award-winningjournalist, host of the Fearless
with Jason Whitlock podcast.
Let's give it up for JasonWhitlock, all right.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
Let's go here, we are Thank you man.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
You know, we haven't even asked you a question, we've
offended like 30 people.
I think that's how we are uh,we were talking right before we
came on.
Let's do this because I thinkit's topical, it's local.
Um, I'm not sure when this isgoing to air, but it'll either
be right before or right afterthe nfl draft.
Nice, the Titans have thenumber one pick.
(03:04):
Who are they going to draft?
Who should they draft?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
They're going to draft Cam Ward.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Yes, that's my pick.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
They should draft Travis Hunter.
I don't think any of thesequarterbacks in this draft are
can't miss.
I think Cam Ward is high risk.
He had a good college career,but I think in most drafts, if
it was a healthy quarterbackdraft, he'd go in the second
half of the first round orbottom half of the top 10.
(03:35):
And Travis Hunter is someonethat most people believe is
going to be a perennial probowler.
And so take the sure thing,don't take the high risk.
Pick.
If you can get someone who youknow, like, hey, we can pencil
him at cornerback or widereceiver and I would play him at
corner.
Uh, and he's going to be a probowl, elite level player at that
(03:59):
position for the next 12 to 14years, I would would do that
rather than well, we need aquarterback and so we better
take a quarterback because wedon't like Will Levis.
Take the sure thing.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I was about to ask you are you on record of liking
Will Levis?
Then?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
No, no, no, no.
But I don't look.
If I'm not winning the SuperBowl, I don't mind losing and
coming back next year with a toptwo or three pick again when
there's more quarterbacks moresure thing quarterbacks
potentially available thanreaching at the quarterback
position when you know there's ahand.
(04:37):
Look what's his name AbdulCarter.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
He's a stud From Penn State.
He's a stud.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
And you guys remember Javon Curse and the impact that
he had.
I'm not saying this kid isJavon Curse, but if you can have
a solid pass rusher, you canbuild your entire defense around
him.
I would go that route ratherthan hey, we need a quarterback,
so let's take the best one onthe board and hope for the best.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I do like the camp board, I agree.
No, I have no best.
I do like the Cam Ward, I agree, he's a little bit of a rusher.
No, I have no idea.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
I don't know how they even do it.
I don't know how they do it.
It's kind of like picking asingle Well to me put out on
radio.
It's kind of like picking asingle.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
It's like if it's a hit, you know then everybody
takes credit for that's amazing.
No, I wasn't.
I still would.
Speaker 7 (05:25):
I mean it's going to be so who would play quarterback
?
Will Levis?
Oh, good Lord.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Good money.
Speaker 7 (05:33):
It's a lot for this town to go through.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
another year Will Levis, but maybe Travis can make
him better on some specialtyplays when he's playing
quarterback.
Then he comes in and can makeWill Levis a superstar.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Can't be instant gratification in the NFL.
That's a fact you got to playthe long game, little suffering.
Look, man, when they moved onfrom Mike Vrabel, when they
moved on from Derrick Henry, youknew there was going to be some
suffering.
Deal with the suffering.
No pain, no gain.
And again take the quarterbackwhen you're dead.
Sure, this is the guy.
(06:03):
And I'm not beating up on CamWard, I'm just saying this isn't
the strongest QB draft.
Don't overdraft a quarterbackwhen there are guys you know,
like Abdul Carter, people feelpretty sure Travis Hunter people
feel pretty sure that's anelite level player for the next
decade.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
Well, sometimes the QBs come deep, deep in the draft
.
Anyway, you can ask Kurt, wetalk about it every year.
I'm I'm always skeptical ofevery qb going out, one or two
anyway.
I mean, you just never know,you never know, you know, but um
will levis.
Well, there you go, can I?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
ask a question, can I ?
The sports conversation?
I don't mind you asking mesports questions.
That's where I made my bones.
How did y'all decide that Kurtwas the star of the show and the
host of the show.
When I met everybody downstairsI was like I bet you Kurt's the
cameraman, then I get up hereand he's the star of the show.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I'm more of a radio fan.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
He's our fearless leader.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
He's right here.
He can hear you, dang Jason, Ithought we were friends.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
You got to tell me what you wanted to do in your
previous life.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I did.
I wanted to be in sportsjournalism.
Really I thought we had that.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I'm not saying it was a bad choice.
I'm not saying it was a badchoice, I'm just asking how it
happened.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
That's all Because he's good at it.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Let me give you another question I was going to
ask.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Because, I heard this rumor.
He's turning the tables.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I've heard this rumor that Neal's wife was blind when
she met Neal and then wentthrough a surgery and got her
sight back and stuck with themarriage despite that.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
It's an interesting story.
I have a soft lower back.
She liked that.
I was really soft.
She didn't have to see it.
Let's give people a little backstory.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
This is Kalo Tully, my first time meeting Jason.
You guys have met each otherbefore.
What's the connection?
Speaker 5 (08:00):
We went to dinner with.
Jeffrey Steele invited me to goto dinner one night to meet
Jason here, and so we did and Igot to meet him.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
He liked you even more.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I don't know if he liked me or not.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
I can't ever tell if Jason's happy, sad, mad.
I can't ever tell he's the sameall the time.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I'm going to break some news to y'all and as much
as I love all of you and as muchas I love try this in a small
town, jeffrey still is myfavorite person in nashville.
Uh, he wrote the greatest songthat instantly made me a country
music fan.
Am I the only one?
Yeah, I was living out in la upuntil 2020, came here in late
2020 and I think I heard am Ionly one?
(08:42):
Was that late?
21 or 22?
Probably 21.
As soon as I heard it, I waslike, oh, this is what country
music is about and I finally gotit, because I don't know, maybe
I was telling these guys butJeffrey and I talk about it all
the time that I was in a littlebox, like most people as it
(09:03):
relates to music.
I grew up in the inner city,grew up with the typical black
experience, so I listened to R&Band rap and that's all I knew
and that's all I thought I wasallowed to really know, just
fitting in with the stereotypeand my friends and all that.
And so I mean I went a longtime not knowing.
(09:23):
Probably 1989, 1990.
I'm graduating college and Iwork security at a Bon Jovi
concert and that was my firsttime like going.
Oh, this rock and roll thing,this Bon Jovi guy, it's kind of
cool.
I knew some girls from mycollege that went to the concert
and so that kind of opened meup to Bon Jovi, but I still just
(09:45):
didn't venture much furtherthan R&B and rap.
And when I came here in 2020, Idid not think country music was
, for me, the only country musicI'm not taking it up on the guy
, but the only country music.
I ever.
A girl that I was dating yearsand years ago made me go to a
Kenny Chesney concert.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I thought, this is all right that I was dating
years and years ago made me goto a Kenny Chesney concert.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I thought this is all right.
But when I heard, am I the OnlyOne?
I was like this speaks to mysoul, this moves me.
And soul music, the good soulmusic they used to make it spoke
to your soul.
And he opened my mind to like,oh no, it's these country guys
that are singing songs thatspeak to your heart.
I've become kind of a countrynut and just keep getting
(10:31):
further and further down therabbit hole.
As much as I like you guys.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
I love Jeffrey Steele .
We don't know if you like us ornot.
Hold on, I think, jimmy.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Jeffrey drove an hour and a half to get here.
Hopefully you will like us,Jeffrey.
An hour and a half to get here.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Jeffries is one of the best of all time.
I mean we all aspire.
When I came to town, he wasalready rocking you know, and
some of my favorite songs too.
And he's legit.
He's not just a, he's also likeNeil and these guys.
He's not just a songwriter,he's an artist.
I mean, he'll stand therebarefoot and play for two hours,
(11:06):
he's he's.
He's more than he's not just acommon everyday songwriter.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, he's more than that.
He's oh, I've seen him live andthat was another next level
experience.
Like for sure, how is this guynot the biggest star in music?
You know, I saw, I saw him atthird and lindley, a little
intimate setting and he went onfor three straight hours and
every 10 minutes he changedcharacters and like, oh, he's
david lee, raw oh no, look athim at a keyboard.
(11:29):
That's stevie wonder now he'saaron lewis and now he I mean,
he just every and I was like Ididn't know somebody could do
all that and uh, so he's openedmy mind.
How long you've been innashville?
I came here in 2020, august of2020.
Uh well, for me it was thesummer of george floyd and they
(11:52):
started boarding up buildings onmy street in los angeles
wilshire boulevard.
For those of you guys atwilshire, corridor so I'm paying
a lot of money and they'reboarding up buildings on my
street and me and my next doorneighbor it was my next door
neighbor was some young kid.
He was in the Bitcoin, superwealthy, and we're sitting out
and we look out the window andwe go, look, they're boarding up
(12:15):
buildings on our street and wewere like we got to get out of
here.
This is crazy.
And he moved to Austin, texas,and I moved to Nashville.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
Good call on your part you know, what's
Speaker 1 (12:28):
funny about austin.
Speaker 7 (12:29):
Uh, we've been on the road in austin for years.
I mean we've been in and out ofaustin on tours for 25 years.
We went there.
We had to play the cmt awardstwo years ago is that right?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
yeah, I'm horrible.
We were invited back afterbeing after you know.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
You know cmt cancels our video and we try this all
the time.
Then you know, then we getinvited back.
So we we go back to austin.
I didn't recognize it.
I did not recognize it, it wasit's.
It's changed so much in a veryhardcore liberal to the point
where you feel it.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, it was always artsy and left-leaning but it's
pretty.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Jason already knew that.
That's why he came to Nashville.
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
That's an intense thing.
Hey, since we're talking aboutcountry music, let's talk about
us.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, ourselves Our favorite topic.
Please, you know, I could hostthis and ask you guys some
really interesting questions.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Not that I want to.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
You've already gotten very comfortable.
He's like how is he the star?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
of a show in your house.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
He took over.
You built this lovely studio.
He took over.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
Until then, this was an undisclosed location.
Because, James, like you, somepeople hate us.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Oh really, Some people hate us yes.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
You wouldn't think so .
Speaker 3 (13:53):
But they really do so ?
Speaker 6 (13:54):
yeah, we hadn't really disclosed it.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Oh my bad.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
No, it's fine.
Thanks a lot, man.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
You guys can all be in the closet now.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
No, but what happened , like early on when we got, you
know, we had our first sponsor,original Glory, you know, and
we were reading little pointsand everything like that and
Kurt just nailed it and the restof us were like oh, he's the
man.
Anyway, it's a great taste beerI really like it.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
On a hot day, they say next I don't think that was
it, but I don't think that wasit, but no, kurt's just good at
it, he's just meant to be heplays good.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
You play guitar like a madman and you have.
You talk your ass off.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I'm the broadcaster.
I'll let you know how Kurt doesat the end of this.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
I don't like this.
This is going so good.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
I freaking love it.
I don't like this at all.
We're getting great.
This is a test.
That's why we got him here yeah, well, probably fail can I?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I'm sorry and I'm you can do anything you want.
I'm sorry because you know it'sit's the broadcaster and we
it's the.
There's a conversation I'd loveto have with four great
songwriters ask away I mentionedthis to jeffrey and just an
organic conversation we werehaving with the duggar band guys
in my house.
But part of what I'm talkingabout here is it relates to
country music and what you guysare doing.
(15:06):
And trust me, where I'm aboutto go is going to get a little
touchy.
But they call my show Fearless,because this is the kind of
stuff I like to talk about.
Hang on, I'm getting.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
So yeah, this is awesome.
Everybody take a little drink,take a little sip.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
This is fantastic.
Take a, do it.
I like this show.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, I'm about to ask a very provocative question,
but it's I think it's importantbecause what I see in music and
what's striking at me and beenmy experience is like, as a
black man, the music that as akid, as a young adult, it spoke
to my heart and soul, and greatart and great music comes from
(15:49):
struggle.
It comes from I hate to usethis word, but it's somewhat
true it comes from oppression orfeeling like you're pushing
against the establishment.
And what I've been talkingabout and just discovering as I
lean more into country music, Ihave to admit like the struggle
(16:10):
that the white man is goingthrough is helping him produce
some of the greatest music ofthis era, and like things have
reversed that it used to be theblack man and black people were,
the establishment was comingdown on them and they would
produce this music that spoke toeveryone's soul.
(16:32):
And so when I hear, am I theOnly One?
Even when I hear OliverAnthony's Rich man of North,
whatever, it is.
I go oh look, this guy'sspeaking from his hurt, pain,
disappointment, feeling thathe's being worked against.
When I hear, try that in asmall town, I hear guys kind of
(16:56):
pushing back against.
Hey, there's people picking onme.
There's people telling me I'mthe problem with America and all
this other stuff.
And it's producing great art.
Not everyone is as fearless asyou guys as to lean into that,
but I do think that's where themusic's going.
I do think that's the musicthat really, really connects.
I'll land the plane on thisnote.
(17:17):
I've fallen for Morgan Wallen'smusic and it's the song he just
came out with called Smile, thesong he just came out with.
If I'm the Problem, you MightBe the Reason.
This is great writing, greatlyrics, great storytelling.
(17:38):
It's lyrics that actually meansomething and speak to you, and
I'm like Morgan Wallen's doingthis, and every time I turn on
some R&B singer can I curse onhere that actually mean
something and speak to you.
And I'm like Morgan Wallen'sdoing this, and every time I
turn on some R&B singer, can Icurse?
on here I'm not a big curser,but they're talking about and
not making love.
They're talking about what goldchain I can buy and wear and
(18:01):
they're not talking about realstuff.
And you guys are and I thinkit's a reflection of this
cultural shift in america andwho we're pounding down on and
you guys are reacting to it andI just want to encourage you to
continue to do it wow, wow, justkeep speaking.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I tell you it's time for a break it.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
It's amazing what you just said.
It's hard for us to say thisbecause you asked us.
You're a black man and you'reinto country music.
I'm from a town of like 400people in the mountains, grew up
very, very poor, like poor, andmoved here with $300.
(18:42):
You know, and so Don't forgetthough Hold for one second,
don't forget poor and moved herewith $300.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Don't forget, though, hold for one second.
Don't forget you had $300 andyou had a white privilege card.
Don't forget that.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
You sure?
Speaker 5 (18:59):
didn't tell me.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
You sure did, you sure did.
I didn't get handed that card.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
I wish I had, I'm just saying some of that, though
you talk about Morgan and youtalk about these songs that
you're starting to like.
Yeah, it's just because we'rewhite songwriters doesn't mean
that we grew up privileged.
I certainly didn't feelprivileged.
You know, we worked scrappedand still feel Sometimes worked
(19:26):
scrapped and still sometimes, Imean, we had nothing.
I mean at one point, you know,me and kurt were living together
and we had 500 bucks to ourname.
Me and aldine were livingtogether or living close and we
had trying to buy a pizzatogether.
So it's like hard work's hardwork to me, like I didn't get
the white privilege card.
It's a little offensive for meto hear the white privilege card
because, damn, I missed thatday.
(19:48):
Well, it's not an actual card.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Did you get it no?
Speaker 7 (19:55):
I didn't get it.
I didn't get the card.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
It's a check that arrives every month.
When is that check, though it's?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
just there, you weren't checking your mailbox.
It has a lot to do, weren'tchecking your mailbox?
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Yeah, I don't have a mailbox.
It has a lot to do with whereyou grew up.
I mean, where you grew up islike Appalachian, like freaking
in the hills.
I mean it's like you know and Iwouldn't trade it.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
It's places nobody goes.
I wouldn't trade it foranything.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
I know you wouldn, could, you could.
I got a big old card.
I got a big card, but you canbut you could say parent
privilege, you had parentprivilege is what you had, bro.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
It's 300 bucks, but we had the opportunity to move
where we wanted to move and dowhat we wanted to do and it
worked.
You know, and I think I thinkthat's part of what he's saying
you know it's.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
There is a privilege.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
I'm joking about privilege,that's a total joke.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Oh, I totally missed it.
Yeah, you missed it.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
There's only parental .
I'm listening as intently as Ican.
That's sarcasm, bro.
Oh okay, I'm being sarcastic.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
This is my favorite episode ever.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
No, because Tully got read about it.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
I didn't know it was sarcasm, because you definitely
didn't know the white publiccard.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
No, he did not, that's my joke.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Before I came here I was on the Matt Murphy show.
Matt Murphy was telling me thathis mother, his father, left
his mother when he was fiveyears old because she got
diagnosed with brain cancer.
He said he couldn't deal withit so he left His mother
eventually died of brain cancer.
And I was like but, matt, I'msure on the front door of your
(21:42):
house, with your mother dying ofcancer and your father gone,
I'm sure it said, matt,privilege, and it protected you
from everything.
That's my standard joke.
Everybody goes through struggle.
What I'm talking about with you.
All's music is like there's astruggle going on with white men
in this country.
The establishment is tellingyou all, you're the piece of dog
doo-doo, you're responsible forevery problem in the world.
(22:04):
And you guys are making greatmusic objecting to that.
And that's why Marvin Gaye andTeddy Pendergrass and all these
guys, the great Isley Brothersor whatever they used to tap
into the struggle of black menand make great music.
And now, the reason why I listento more country than r&b is
(22:27):
because these r&b singers arerapping about their gold chains
and three-way sex, and you knowbling and uh, that I'm not into
that.
Well, I want to hear somethingreal and something again it's
like yeah, come try that in asmall town we will kick your ass
.
That speaks to me, becausethat's kind of how I feel.
(22:49):
Like don't bring that bs to me,man, I don't want me.
And my father in 1984 lived ina 400 square foot apartment.
In the hood, when I was 17years old, I slept on the couch,
most nights he slept in thebedroom and I went from that to
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living on Wilshire Boulevard.
I think my zip code was 924.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
That's my privilege, yeah, 924.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
That's me working my ass off.
And only in America.
I know you were joking, only in.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
America.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
They're really were joking, only in America.
They're really going to hit youafter that.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Absolutely.
Could that happen?
Could you go from one bedroom400 square foot apartment, you
and your dad in the hood, to 924zip code, wilshire Boulevard,
and you taking care of your dadas he ages out and his business
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that he started struggling,taking care of your mother,
taking care of people in yourfamily?
That's the American dream andwas open to me, like it's open
to everybody else.
Don't, don't bring out noviolin crying.
I know just too many peoplethat came from nothing white and
black and I've seen them riseup through just showing up and
putting the work in, and so youknow the white privilege thing
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cracks me up it's hard work,though you put in the hard work
yeah and I've heard, like morganfreeman, say very similar
things to this, like like hard,work, work hard and it's there
for you again you guys haven'tworked in corporate America.
I have.
All you have to do is show up.
Most people don't show up.
They come up with excuses to belate or to miss work or to not
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do work.
I went to college.
When I didn't show up for class, I got bad grades.
When I did show up to classoccasionally, I got good grades.
That's what we've always said.
When I did show up to classoccasionally, I got good grades.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
That's what we've always said we don't feel like
going in and writing today.
It's like you've got to show up.
We've always told everybodythat.
We've always told the youngwriters that Show up, just go,
show up.
I don't care how bad you feel,show up, yes.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Well, and talking about, because you mentioned
Morgan Wallen, and I've onlyheard one song record and I
think it was uh.
So it's uh, the hook was Imight be crazy, but the world's
insane, that's only, that's onlyone I've heard and I was like
well, damn ain't no wonder he'sdoing better than most people,
because to me that that thatspoke to me.
He's doing great stuff and he'sat a level where he can do it,
he can say whatever he wants,whatever he's feeling, whatever
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he believes, and that's whatyou're talking about.
In the beginning of our careers, we're, we're not, I'm not
coming in and saying, hey, Iwant to take a stance, you know,
against things that arehappening in the world and
religion and and things likethat.
And the music business isliberal.
I'm like I gotta make somemoney.
I got fifty thousand dollars indebt and and what?
What are people liking?
And so then I'm, I'm chasing,I'm chasing that, just trying to
(25:41):
get songs recorded, period, andand you think everybody's the
same and you just, you justthink, hey, we're all you know
in country music and and we allbelieve the same way and
everything.
And you realize the world isnot like that, you know, and
we've talked about the bubble.
Now you've came from, everybodyhas their, their place that
they came from and and so, so,so for me, you know, to get to a
(26:06):
place.
That's later, let's say, we'reseasoned in the industries,
we've been here a minute, youknow, right and so, but just as
it had nothing to do.
Really.
I'll try that in small townreally, you know, for for all of
us where it came from it,wasn't it?
It kind of it really just camebecause you're mad at what's
happening in the world, which isto your point where you write
deeper and you write more realthings, as opposed to me just
trying to make money andretirement and things like that.
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I'm like this moves me and as aconservative Christian, we're
the nice guys, we don't sayanything, and that's been the
problem.
We don't say anything until theworld goes freaking crazy, they
go nuts, and then you're like,okay, we got to say something.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Well, I mean, you look at the left.
The left in the entertainmentindustry have no problem
whatsoever voicing what theywant to say, because they're not
worried about being canceledfrom the powers that be at all.
And that's all we worried aboutwhen we wrote this song.
It's like they're not going tocut this.
Nobody's going to cut this.
Jason Aldean's the only one.
Who's going to cut this song,and he did, and they tried to
(27:09):
kill it but they couldn't, andthat's where I think the wind's
blowing our direction.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
People are figuring out.
Am I the only one?
Try that.
In a small town these can makemoney you put a crack in the dam
.
Yes, it's holding people back.
And people want this.
People always want the truth.
There's always a thirst theycan call us conspiracy theorists
, they can call it, but it'sjust a thirst for truth.
And they want authenticity.
(27:41):
And you know again why do I loveJeffrey Steele?
He's authentic.
Everything that comes out ofhis mouth to me as a friend, his
struggle with his boy dying,all of that there's an authentic
friendship.
And so literally, I'm justtelling you, because Jeffrey
vouches for you, it instantlymakes me love you and think well
(28:03):
, there's no way, jeffrey, he'sso authentic, no way he's
introducing me to a bad guy.
And that when I hear the music,when I see Jason Aldean step
out here, when I see Aaron Lewis, I'm not saying these guys are
perfect because they're not, butI'm like at least they're real.
And that when someone's real, Ilike them and I can deal with
(28:26):
all kinds of flaws All kind oflong as you're real.
And that when someone's real, Ilike them and I can deal with
all kinds of flaws, all kinds,as long as you're real.
And real music will always win.
And I look at so much.
I cry out as someone that lovesR&B.
The music is so inauthentic.
Someone that used to appreciatesome aspects of rap music.
(28:46):
It's so inauthentic.
These guys are so dressed up incostumes.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
They all look like.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Kiss, tats and all.
They're all some sort.
And it's like I look back atKiss music because again I've
been re-examining music and,like you know, kiss is okay but
it don't speak to it.
They're a gimmick.
And I'm not trying to take ashot at Gene.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
Simmons, he's a gimmick, he would tell you it
was a gimmick yeah but to yourpoint you can look at, like NWA
back in the day, why it was soinfectious and they were talking
about things that were going on.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I totally disagree.
Really Most fraudulent group inthe history of music.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Oh my lord.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Jim strict that from the record, jim, I want to hear
this.
I want to hear this this isfantastic.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Go on.
This is the best episode we'veever had.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Go listen to their music.
People feel like, oh, they werespeaking, blah, blah, blah.
They had one song thatallegedly spoke against the the
police.
I've had young journalists that, oh, man, nwa, they were kind
of like public enemy and theyput out all these revolutionary
(29:58):
songs and I've had people go golook at their.
They put out two albums.
Go find me the song other thanthe police, which is a bogus
song.
Other than that, what's theirsong that has any value, value,
stands the test of time in termsof message blah, blah, blah.
And there isn't a song, thereis not one.
(30:20):
You go through their two albums, go listen to the songs, go
listen to what they're.
It's all bitches and hoes, andbitches ain't shit, but hoes,
buttholes and tricks.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Lick on my sense of my language, I've let a lot go
by, but we've never said ballsand stuff I don't like to cuss
but I'm just telling you whatthey rapped
Speaker 2 (30:46):
about and it's their part of the psyop, they're part
of the whole media ecosystemthat has, quite frankly, put
black people in the musicindustry in a certain lane.
This is all you can do Cuss,talk about strippers and hoes,
(31:07):
talk about radical materialism.
I will agree with that.
Talk about that's all you cando because, trust me, I know the
rappers that are storytellers,like really clever, and are
trying to say something.
There's an independent rapperfrom Kansas City named Tech N9ne
.
This dude is brilliant, tellsintricate stories, blah, blah.
And he could never themainstream.
(31:30):
And he's had a greatindependent career, made a lot
of money as an independentrapper, but he could never the
mainstream.
And he's had a greatindependent career and made a
lot of money as an independentrapper, but he could never get
and Quincy Jones called him thenext big thing, the Michael
Jackson of rap or whatever.
But because he refused to fullysubmit to the formula he could
never get put on the way NWA and, just like the whole police
(31:55):
brutality deal, it's a psyop.
It's it's, having grown up inthe hood, my dad's business in
the hood.
Black people aren't sittingaround on a day to day basis.
Tom, oh man, I hope the policedon't beat me up or kill me.
Today they're sitting up.
I hope Pookie and the Crips andthe Bloods are the gangster
(32:19):
disciples.
I hope they don't shoot us uptonight when we go out and try
to have a little fun.
That's what they're talkingabout.
I'm talking about my father'sbar in the heart of the hood.
For 30 years he carried a .38every day of his life.
It wasn't to keep the police atbay, it was pooky in them and
(32:40):
it's this whole thingof.
I'm a speeder, love to drivefast.
I try to do better.
But I'm saying I get pulledover a lot over the course of my
life and I've been driving aMercedes Benz for 35 years.
I get a Mercedes and I keepthem for 10 to 12 years.
(33:01):
So for 35 years I've had threedifferent Mercedes, nice cars,
and this is how I dress mostdays.
I used to wear an earring, usedto wear a little gold chain, a
little jewelry or whatever.
And I've had one bad experiencewith a cop one, and that was in
1991.
(33:22):
I was driving a Honda Preludeat that time.
One bad, it was a badexperience.
He thought I was a cat burglar.
I'm like bro, look at me.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Cat burglar.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
Come on now.
I wasn't a receiver.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
One bad experience.
The rest I kill them with somuch kindness.
I got about a 72% rate ofwarning ticket and hey, listen
to your show.
Or hey, uh, let's take them sooff guard by yes, sir, no.
So, oh, I'm sorry, blah, blah,blah, blah.
And I got about a 72 successrate with warning tickets and
(34:02):
just slow down, buddy.
And.
But no bad experiences otherthan that one.
And and so it's just like it's amyth, it's.
There's a strategy, there's aas men and that's the point of
my show as men, we're supposedto treat life like a chess match
and we're supposed to be verystrategic in how we deal with
(34:26):
people.
And so when I deal with thepolice, I'm like OK, what can I
do to avoid a ticket and to getback on the road as soon as I
can?
Well, if I yes or no, sir, thisguy smile on my face give him
what he wants instantly my, thepercentages all go up that I'm
going to get a warning and I'mgoing to get out of here as
(34:48):
quick as possible.
That's how you approach life wekeep telling black men.
Approach life in the dumbestway possible.
Argue with that police officer.
There's nobody, white or black,that wins an argument with a
police officer.
It just does not happen.
And so we give black people themessage of be as dumb as
possible, be as unstrategic aspossible, and we'll get you
(35:12):
lawyers and we'll get you adoctor that will.
When they beat you up and theytake you downtown, we'll get you
a doctor to fix you up.
And I don't want to get fixedup.
I want to go home and move onwith my life, because I got
better things to do than toargue and bicker with the police
.
And so if you look at theactual stats of police brutality
(35:32):
, the data screams.
Police pretty much bend overbackwards to avoid conflict
because they want to go home too.
And then the people that wantto argue with them.
While on fentanyl your deathrate just goes up, and George
Floyd found that out.
He effed around or fentanylaround, and found out.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
Oh, the truth.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
podcast I tell my son , look I said look, whatever you
do, and we look.
We've all had like me, andAlvin got pulled over in 97,
heading to Georgia got pulledover and emptied out a whole car
.
They were sure that we haddrugs and I don't blame them of
course we had drugs, but I wouldsay the one thing I didn't do
(36:21):
was try to run or take his gunor argue or just it is what it
is anyway.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I'm the same way.
It's like I pulled over evennot long ago.
This first thing I did was Iknow I was being.
I'm so sorry you were, I justthought me, you know, just be
agreeable what were you doing?
I was feeding, yeah, or textingme I may have been doing that
too, hey you know, I was hearingyou talk about your dad and his
(36:53):
business, and then I saw aquote where you even said you
grew up on a bar stool, which isa country song, by the way.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Is that right?
No, it should be, it will be.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
It is now, but you won't get any percentage.
But that fascinated me.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Talk a little bit about that his days out on the
bar and you growing up in thatenvironment.
My dad owned three differentbars throughout my youth.
The first one was a littlesmall.
It had a private membership.
It was called the Triangle Club.
It was in the hood and this oneI was really young, probably
six, seven, eight years old.
He also owned a little bar shopcalled the Knothole in those
(37:34):
early years and he was a barber.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
What is a?
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Knothole.
Speaker 7 (37:38):
It's like a glory hole, but Wow.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
He didn't say the manhole.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
It's the opposite of a glory hole.
Sorry, Kurt.
I can't give you an explanationof what a Knoth hole is at this
point.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
It's a tree, and then , as I got a bit older, let's
say 9, 10, 11, around that agehe built a bigger, nicer club
right around the corner fromthat.
He and his partners that hadthe triangle club split up and
he went solo with a club hecalled Jimmy's J Bar J.
It's right around the corner,same place, but it was bigger.
And I watched him and, uh, hehad a friend that was a
(38:19):
contractor or handyman thatcould do everything, a guy named
mitch, and we me and my brotherwould, on weekends, would go
hand them tools as they builtthis bar, everything in this bar
, and that that was one of thegreat experiences of my youth to
see my father the, thesatisfaction I'm not a big fan
(38:41):
of the use of the word pride,but the pride he took in
building his own establishmentand business and it was a nice
place and was very popular andmy father during that stretch
did very well financially,didn't pay his taxes, and that's
how we ended up in a400-square-foot apartment in
1984.
(39:03):
The government takes everythingfrom him for tax evasion and so
from, I would think, from 1983to the next three years, he was
as broke as you can possibly be.
At some point I think in maybeit was 83, he was homeless,
living in his car by the time Isenior year.
(39:27):
In 84, my mother moves toKansas City, who I had been
living with.
Her job was transferred.
I was a very good high schoolfootball player on a team that
won the state championship andwas ranked ninth in the country.
I had to stay behind and playon that team.
I was the captain of that teamand it got me a football
scholarship and so I moved inwith my dad and again we were on
(39:47):
our rear end.
I think my dad was a bartenderfor a buddy of his during that
year, making $200 a week plustips and so, but I would think I
think it was 1986, one of hisbest friends wanted to sell
their bar, the MasterpieceLounge.
(40:07):
My dad got some sort of VA typeloan, bought that bar, the
Masterpiece Lounge.
My dad got some sort of VA typeloan, bought that bar, the
Masterpiece Lounge, and owned itfrom 1986 until his death in
2012.
And the Masterpiece Loungeright 38th and Sherman, east
side of Indianapolis, in thehood, it was a bar that catered
(40:28):
to factory workers and workingclass black people and it was
the greatest place on earth tome.
I love those guys.
We'd sit in there and talksports.
We'd sit in there.
These guys were, you know, justghetto legends and superstars.
You know, dressed up, they keepa lot of cash on a rubber band,
and they were ladies, men.
(40:50):
And these guys were my idolsand I would sit on the bar.
I wasn't a drinker, but I wouldjust sit at the bar and just
soak up their wisdom, theirstories, crack up, listen to
their jokes.
They'd ask me about my athleticcareer.
At that point I was playingcollege football, ball State,
(41:14):
and my dad owned it until hedied.
And you know my working classvalues and it's one of the
reasons why I'm so comfortablebeing MAGA is because and again,
these guys, most of these, mydad and his friends if they were
still alive, they'd be in theirmid to late 80s now, but most
(41:34):
of them are dead.
But they wouldn't understand itbecause they lived in their own
little bubble.
But they were black MAGA andthey were factory workers,
manufacturing people, people andthat what it's like.
(41:54):
When I heard trump's originalinauguration speech in 2016 or
17, when he went into, I waslike.
I called my mother and I waslike you should listen to
trump's inauguration speech.
He's talking about us.
My mother was a factory workertoo, and um, and I was, and so I
.
Those guys and that experiencethe the Masterpiece Lounge is
why someone like Steve Ford thatowns Losers in Nashville and
(42:20):
now Duck Blind with Riley Greenor whatever, it's just why these
guys are so relatable to me.
I don't know if you guys knowSteve Ford, but he and why can't
?
I think of Irv's last name.
Well, yeah, with George Stray,they're so Masterpiece Lounge,
(42:40):
they'd so fit in at theMasterpiece Lounge.
And you know, when Steve hadthe dog house, I lived right
down in that area initially whenI came here.
It's just me.
It's just me.
Maga is just me, and I wishthat MAGA white people and MAGA
black people could fullyunderstand just how much they
(43:01):
have in common worldview, wise,the beliefs, you know laugh at
the same jokes and all thatother stuff.
But we've created a societywhere, you know, we've allowed
the skin color thing not to seeour things we have in common.
I can see it clear as daybecause I've operated in both
(43:24):
worlds and you know, just mywhole mindset is working class
and sitting in a barstooltalking with people that you
know are just trying to makeends meet and just kind of want
to be left alone and just wantto have a beer and have some
laughs.
And you know, talk to a prettygirl and go home.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Do you think you've always been conservative?
Because it's kind of differenttrump now it is.
The conservatives are workingclass people.
It is more of that thing, butit I don't know if this is true
or not, but it felt like thatused to be what the left side
was and the democrats used to be, and I think it's flipped.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
I really do and I totally think, and I think big
just to what you're speaking of.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
But so was there a moment that you kind of realized
that?
Or were you always conservative?
Speaker 2 (44:16):
and then just I think I've always been conservative.
What I've mostly been ispatriarchal.
I believe in male leadership,and we're all.
I'm 57.
You guys are somewhere within12 years of me, I would think
Tully.
What are you mid-50s?
Speaker 5 (44:37):
Oh, you're 50?
.
Okay, I'm 59.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Got you, and so we all remember when Roots came out
and so I watched Roots, and asa kid this is late 70s, so we're
really young the, the uh.
When roots came out, the numberone thing I talked about was in
the first episode, kunta kente,over in africa, went off to
(45:03):
manhood training and uh left hisfamily, went off to be
discipled and trained by othermen in that tribe, and when he
came back his mother had to bedeferential to him.
You can see it in episode one.
You don't have to go very deep.
But he has an exchange with hismother where she has to treat
(45:26):
him differently.
He's a man now.
There's a certain way she hasto talk to him and the whole
thing is flipped.
And as a kid I turned to myfamily after episode once.
That's the way things need tobe, and I'm just a little kid,
I'm not a Kunta Kenney, but I'mlike that's the way things need
to be.
And so there's this instinctivething I didn't learn.
(45:49):
I just felt like there's apoint where a man becomes a man
and mama and everybody elsethat's a man and there's a way
you got to treat a man andthere's a role that a man is
supposed to play, alwaysbelieved in that.
And so where the Democrats lostme is they don't believe in any
(46:13):
of that, that they believe womencan be men.
They believe that you don'tneed men in a family, you don't,
you don't need a man, and I'mjust like that's and I've
figured out as an adult, likehey, that's completely
unbiblical, but it's also justcompletely unwise.
You know there's and I've hadproblems with friends, family,
(46:40):
over my highly patriarchalworldview and you know I want to
be careful and respectful.
But even my mother, who myparents divorced when I was five
years old or so, and mymother's a bit of a feminist and
and I don't like feminists andI think it's insanity when women
(47:05):
think they don't need a man andand you know I want to be
careful and disrespectful, but,but my mother needs me and has
needed me.
She lives in my house, she eatsout of forks that I bought,
bowls that I bought, drinks outof cups that I bought, you know,
and so I just don't have a realtolerance for the view that
(47:31):
woman doesn't need man and thatmentality and mindset is
plaguing the black community.
There's a belief that you don'tneed a man.
And I keep saying to people.
Well, let's look at the results.
You got young boys out herewith their pants halfway off,
their rear end tatted up, canbarely speak English.
(47:51):
Academic performance keepsgetting worse and worse.
You sure you don't need a man?
Are you sure You're doing sucha great job With these young
boys that they can't read, theycan't pull their pants up.
They can't get a job.
They can't do what men aresupposed to do Provide, but
(48:12):
you're doing a great job.
You don't get a job.
They can't do what men aresupposed to do provide, but
you're doing a great job.
You don't need a man, are yousure?
And so that's just been aninstinct in me since I was a
little kid.
And then, as I went further inmy faith journey, I was like oh
man, man, my instincts line upwith the big man upstairs what
(48:35):
an coincidence right no, it'strue
Speaker 5 (48:39):
oh my gosh, I don't disagree with the word he said
no first time the first time Isaw him I was like I'm you know,
I'm scrolling and I come across.
The first time I saw one of hisposts and i'm'm like my fingers
wouldn't let me go.
I was like, oh, I'm listeningto this whole, I'm listening to
everything this guy has to say.
So I put it down, listen.
And I was hooked ever since.
(49:00):
And it's this stuff right here,and I'm totally in line with
you.
We're going to get a lot ofhate.
Let him know, I'm totally inline line with it.
I had heard you hated women.
I mean, I've heard I love them,I love them.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
I just want to find a quiet one.
Speaker 6 (49:17):
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I got a new name for what,jason?
What is it?
Jason Aldean Whitlock, jaw Jaw,the jaw, the jaw.
I like it, you've seen themovie Jaws yeah, it's perfect.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
You ever have a nickname?
We talk a lot about nicknames,unfortunately.
Yes, okay, what is?
Speaker 2 (51:23):
it.
It was Big, sexy.
I like it Big Mouth, sexyOpinions I love that Big.
Mouth Sexy opinions.
I love that Big mouth sexyopinions For years.
That's a good nickname and Ilet it go, though I let it go.
Speaker 4 (51:36):
It's a tough one to let go A man with a nickname is
a man looking for trouble.
Speaker 5 (51:40):
Ooh, you hear that you call yourself some name and
then you got to live up to it.
We're looking for one for him.
That's a good point.
He's the only one in the groupthat doesn't have a nickname.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
Well, I do, but I don't.
How about?
Speaker 1 (51:51):
star.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Jason thinks you're a star.
I feel beat down.
But you know we're just tryingto inspire men to quit
apologizing for being men.
Quit apologizing for yournatural instincts to be a leader
Leader in your home, leader inyour community, leader in your
family.
Quit apologizing for that.
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That's what you're supposed todo.
Quit apologizing for havingChristian values.
Don't let people convince youthat your Christian values are
racist.
They're not.
They're biblical and that'sjust the devil talking to you
trying to demonize yourChristian values, your
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commitment to family, yourcommitment to law and order,
your instinct to protect yourchildren's innocence, as the
left tries.
No, no, no, no.
They need to talk to a dragqueen, they need to see a drag
queen gyrate in front of them orthey won't, uh, really properly
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develop and be inclusive.
The fact that your instinct asa man that makes the hair stand
up on your back here and there,that's a good thing.
If it doesn't, it's a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
You're probably gay there it is but where are those
men?
Speaker 7 (53:11):
seriously, like I think about you just said so
many things.
Every single word it soundsoutrageous, like if you're, if
you're a father, and I justcan't imagine subjecting your
children to that or wanting to.
Speaker 5 (53:27):
I guess those people are out there they're not real
men, the ones ones that allowthat.
It's sad, it's really sad.
Not real women.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Children have a right to innocence.
That's what I mean, and we'remaking them think about sex long
before they're ready.
Have conversations about sex,children sit around and think,
oh, I feel like a little girl.
Trust me, son, that'll pass intwo days.
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As soon as you touch her.
That's going to go away, trustme.
It's just we got to let kids bekids and let them develop.
How many tomboys have we known?
Girls that were too tall, girlsthat were chubby, that it just
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took them some time to developinto their womanhood and they
figure it out.
We're stealing all of that.
And the left is saying, nope,let's sexualize them and get
them involved in sex long beforethey're ready.
And those of you with biblicalvalues and just common sense,
(54:41):
they're like nah, that can wait.
Just teach them.
Two plus two is four and shutthe hell up.
Don't be ashamed of that yeah,that's roll call 3.0 are you
kidding me?
Speaker 3 (54:54):
second and third go check that out.
Jason whitlock tucker the truth.
Speaker 5 (54:58):
The truth is hard to listen to sometimes, but it's
all true.
Speaker 7 (55:01):
It's dead on true what you're saying, though the
truth he what he saying.
This is common sense stuff.
Yeah, we've drifted that farNot us, but people have drifted
that far.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
We're talking about this like it's crazy you go back
with Tucker a while right.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yeah, would appear on his Fox News show.
Let's say over the last eightyears of his Fox News show.
You know, let's say over thelast eight years of his Fox News
show, I would come on prettyfrequently, once every, let's
say, 10 days or so.
He would bring me on basicallyto bring up the biblical
perspective on topics and hejust wanted that to be a part of
(55:43):
his show, a regular part of hisshow.
I think in let's say, the lastthree years of his time at Fox
News he could sense that maybethe powers that be didn't want
that perspective on the show.
But all of the feedback theygot from their audience, all the
metrics, it's like man, whenWhitlock comes on, people love
(56:04):
it.
And they love it when he startsquoting the Bible or just puts
a biblical spin on whatever thenews of the day is.
And then and I don't say thisout of any sort of trying to
take credit or bragging, butTucker will tell you it's like I
(56:25):
help open his eyes to the factthat like, hey, these political
things we're debating, there's aspiritual element to this.
There's a good versus evilelement.
And then things got so out ofcontrol in America and they're
(56:53):
rallies in support of abortionand killing their babies.
And they're going throughconvulsions.
How dare you take away my rightreproductive rights to kill my
baby?
And they're just like well,hold on, is it really that
important?
I mean, are condoms unavailablein your community?
Is closing your legs not anoption?
(57:14):
There's nothing you can doother than abort your baby, to
stop you from having a baby.
And at some point you're justlike, oh man, these people
believe in child sacrifice.
This is a cult.
This is they think like oh man,these people believe in child
sacrifice.
This is a cult.
This is they think, like theSecond Amendment should the
(57:36):
right to bear arms should bereplaced with the right to kill
your baby?
But like, it's that importantand and at some point you had to
go, well, hold on, this isspiritual, this is demonic.
This isn't.
You know, there are so manyoptions at our hands, fingertips
, to prevent pregnancy, and Ithat.
(57:59):
And they think well, the onlything that matters is my ability
to kill a baby in the womb.
That's some sort of mentalpsychosis that they're in and
there has to be a spiritualelement to this.
Just common sense and logiccan't explain it when they're
(58:19):
bringing an abortion van to theDemocratic Convention so you can
go in and hear Kamala speak andwalk out and kill a baby and
all in one night and, you know,smoke a little weed when it's
over, or whatever you do afteryou kill a baby.
There's uh a spiritual elementto this and and I help tucker uh
(58:45):
understand, and then that'sinformed his worldview and
perspective and what he does inthe media space, I think over
the last five years, and so youknow I'm a big supporter of
Tucker.
He's clearly a big supporter ofmine.
That's why he's coming intotown.
Speaker 5 (59:04):
I hope that roll call is like an ongoing thing.
It is.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
This is the third year and I probably shouldn't
say this, but my hope is thatthis goes so well because Tucker
has a daughter that lives here.
Tucker's chief I'm telling toomuch, but Tucker's chief of
staff is moving here.
He's got an office here, and soI want this to be an ongoing
(59:29):
thing between tucker and I andwe just grow it and get it
bigger and better, because asbelievers and as conservatives,
we have to have influence in thecultural space.
We can't just give it all tothem, and I think through
country music and through gospelmusic, we can make an impact in
(59:54):
the arts and culture worldthrough an alliance between
Tucker and I, and we can helpbelievers understand that,
regardless of you know, whateverlevel of melanin you have in
your skin, if you havesurrendered to Jesus Christ,
there's an alliance that weshould have as believers that
(01:00:17):
goes well beyond the differencesin our skin color, and that our
identity should be taken inChrist and our identity should
be taken within our sharedvalues.
And so I just am inviting allpeople that believe or want to
believe or just looking for abetter way than God, jesus
(01:00:38):
Christ, and let that be ouralliance, because so many people
(01:00:59):
want you to align over yoursexual identity and, and that is
so retarded and stupid that youknow how you get an orgasm
should be how you find an allyand and and you know, just think
(01:01:20):
it through logically.
You know, I can take my righthand and have an orgasm.
A woman can take a right handand have an orgasm.
A woman can take a vibrator andhave an orgasm.
It's okay.
Is that really what?
we should align over.
I know it's, it's insanity, andand uh and actually I would
have to use my left hand.
I just forgot I'm a left.
Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Way too much information.
I just want to be clear.
Speaker 5 (01:01:42):
Wow, hey mom, I want to know that it's my other hand
not my right hand.
Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
I know exactly what you're trying to say, though I
know exactly what you're sayingOn a serious note, I know what
he's talking about.
I bet you do.
Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
I'm not talking about the left or right hand I'm
talking about it becoming anidol, I mean it becomes, it
becomes seriously, it becomes anaddiction and it becomes their
God.
Yes, it really does.
Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Yes, their sexual orientation becomes their God,
absolutely.
And then they have to go.
Literally.
I said to someone that wasupset with me and was like Jason
, I was made gay and blah, blah,blah and that's what I like.
And God made me like men and Iwas like, no, he didn't for one.
But at the end of the day, justbecause you like something
(01:02:40):
doesn't mean it should becomeyour God and your identity.
I like McDonald's.
Ronald McDonald should not bemy God and it's been my mistake
for making Ronald McDonald myGod and I should fight that, my
gluttony.
And so, okay, I like premaritalsex.
(01:03:01):
Should that be my God?
No, I should reject.
So.
Just because you like somethingdoesn't mean it should rule you
and it's actually and I don'twant to be offensive to the
women watching but like.
That's kind of a femininethought, it's feelings, it's
(01:03:21):
prioritizing your feelings.
Oh, I feel like a woman, soeverybody should treat me like
one.
Well, I don't really care aboutyour feelings.
God doesn't care about yourfeelings.
What I feel, what I think, whatI like completely irrelevant,
because this person was reachingout to me over Twitter, says
he's a believer in Jesus Christand I was like you don't
(01:03:43):
understand that what you like isirrelevant.
What God like is the only thingthat matters.
It's the only thing, and I tryto let that rule me, because if
I go with what I like, I'm goingto hit a McDonald's drive-thru
on the way home.
If I go with what I like, I'mgoing to hit a McDonald's
drive-thru on the way home.
(01:04:03):
If I go with what God's light,I'm going to drive home, get in
bed, get up at 6 am, work outand do the right things.
If I do what I like, I may stopat Losers tonight and try to
pick up one of the barmaidsbecause that's what I like, but
God wants me to go home, find awife and like that and satisfy
(01:04:26):
myself with that.
Go home, find a wife and andlike that and satisfy myself
with that.
It's people we over inflate ourrelevance and importance.
We're all unimportant andirrelevant and we all should be
trying.
How can I do what god likes?
Because what I like will leadto my destruction.
Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
It's a fact, it's truth and tell you here we are.
Masturbation is normal I'm notsaying it's accepted?
Speaker 6 (01:04:53):
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
I don't want you to feel so uncomfortable and I saw
that on camera and I love you.
Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
This table.
Don't you forget, don't youforget.
We love you.
Speaker 6 (01:05:06):
God loves you, and I mean that.
Speaker 7 (01:05:09):
No matter what you do with your left hand Because I
love you.
Speaker 6 (01:05:12):
Why are you doing this to me?
Because I love you, because heloves you.
Yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
It's clear who can pivot from here.
Someone pivot, please, please,pivot.
I'll try.
Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
Just go to just attend Roll Call 3.0.
Fearlessrollcallcom,fearlessrollcallcom, do it Go.
Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
May 2nd and May 3rd.
Don't miss it.
You know you've got a lot ofthings you talk about.
I don't know how you jugglethem all.
I really don't, Because whetherit's sports, culture, religion,
all of that, you seem to handlethat really well.
I saw a quote that you had andI thought it was really
interesting.
(01:05:52):
You said you'd like to makecomfortable people feel
uncomfortable is that right?
Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
no, I think what you may have seen me say is I don't
mind being I'm comfortable whenpeople are uncomfortable around
me.
Ooh, okay, that's what I whichis a totally different thing,
but explain that it's as ajournalist, we've moved into
(01:06:22):
this space where everybody, whenthey walk in a press box or
walk into any setting, they wanteverybody to like them.
That was never me, and it's notthat I wanted everyone to
dislike me.
I just knew that, as ajournalist, if I'm on a pursuit
of truth, people are going to beuncomfortable around me and I'm
(01:06:43):
very comfortable when peopleare uncomfortable around me.
That was a journalistic truththat I was expressing.
I didn't realize it at the timebecause that's always been my
philosophy.
That that's a biblical truththat as Christians, when we
stand on our actual values,people are going to be
(01:07:03):
uncomfortable around us and asChristians, you have to get
comfortable with theirdiscomfort.
We're not going to be liked Ifyou stand on truth.
You're not going to be liked.
If you defend Jesus Christ,you're not going to be liked.
Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
You got to get comfortable with that, that's
awesome and that's a completelydifferent statement, but it's
amazing.
Yeah, I love that.
So talk about this.
You know the sports world hasseen this infusion of politics
within sports can I?
Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
I want to add one more thing.
Yeah, music makers and this isa secular position, but if
you're going to make great musicin this time, you're gonna have
to get comfortable with peoplebeing uncomfortable around you.
We were experiencing that, ifyou're going to make great music
, yeah, if you're going to makepopular music and secular music
(01:08:00):
and degenerate music, people aregonna be very comfortable dude.
Speaker 5 (01:08:04):
We were called whoopi goldberg, called.
She said the songwriters ofthis song must be the most
racist people alive.
And I don't know about theseguys, but I had family calling
me going.
Are you okay?
Are you doing all right?
I'm like, what are you talking?
Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
it's the greatest day of my life because I knew the
truth let me go all the way backto tully and nwa, because that
was on camera, I believe.
Yeah, yeah, tully and NWA.
So Whoopi Goldberg tried thatin a small town.
Dr Dre, one of the greatmembers of NWA, had a song Never
Hesitate to Put a Nigga on HisBack.
(01:08:39):
Whoopi Goldberg would nevercomplain about that, never.
And he's making a song aboutI'll never hesitate to kill a
black man, she'll never object.
And dr drake's very comfortablesinging a song about I'll never
hesitate to kill a black personand and and.
(01:08:59):
No one's uncomfortable withthat, that's normal.
Try that in a small town.
Try that in a small town.
People are very uncomfortableand it's retarded.
The world is upside down.
Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
It's retarded.
We felt it and we survived.
I'm sorry, kurt, I just wantedto bring that all the way back
to music and if you want to dosomething great that puts you on
the side of God.
Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
People are going to be very uncomfortable with you
and it's not that.
Try that in a Small Town issome kind of gospel Christian
song, but it is a truthful songthat reflects how people are
feeling and it speaks to thejustification for feeling that
way and and people are going tobe very uncomfortable.
(01:09:51):
And so if you want to makegreat music, great art, you want
to do something that has a realimpact.
You got to get comfortable withpeople not liking you.
Speaker 6 (01:10:02):
Well, sorry no, go ahead my dad always said, and
other people always said, youknow, if you get to be an old
man and you have a couplefriends on, on one hand you're,
you're a blessed man.
I was thinking I was younger,like I got I got 20, 20 best
friends, you know 30, whateverolder I get and the more I say
my opinions about certain thingsabout certain people and
(01:10:25):
certain friends that I love andthey start dwindling, they
dwindle, they dwindle, theydwindle, until it's true you get
them on one hand Because you'renot going to have it.
I mean, if I could be 80 yearsold, I have this table, I'll be
blessed.
I mean, it's just amazing howmany friends will drop.
I lost one yesterday offpodcast.
Speaker 5 (01:10:47):
Because of the subject matter we're talking
about.
Speaker 6 (01:10:49):
Yeah, and because, me and Not in my concern.
Not in my concern.
Speaker 5 (01:10:56):
Jesse's not afraid to name names, but I feel I lost
one just for being who I am man.
Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
Just because of what?
Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Scripture says that's right I had a conversation with
a close family member and I waslike that really thinks they're
into the word and and I waslike now you know, when you
really get into this word,you're going to lose friends
you're not gonna have.
(01:11:25):
You know, when you man, I gotthe same friends I've had for
the last 50 years, it's like ohboy, you actually tell it on
yourself because this word hecame with a sword and uh, this
word is going to separate youfrom people very, very close to
you who aren't willing to standon this word.
(01:11:47):
And so it's not that you wantto lose friends, aren't willing
to stand on this word.
And so it's not that you wantto lose friends.
You want everybody to go onthat journey and and to become
as bold.
But as you become wise and youbecome immersed in the word, you
should become more bold andthat boldness should actually
separate you from people thatyou love dearly, because they're
(01:12:07):
not really ready to go thereand they're not really to accept
who you really are and andyou'll lose them.
And it's not that you want to,but the word changes you and if
you don't have some sort oftestimony about me and not that
I've done life right becauseI've done it wrong about man,
and not that I've done liferight because I've done it wrong
.
But I got some real testimonyabout like I used to be in a
(01:12:33):
strip club until 3 am threenights a week.
Let's talk about that.
Speaker 7 (01:12:40):
Tell us about that.
Jason, please continue.
Speaker 6 (01:12:46):
Do you need water?
Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
So I was in this champagne room.
That's when the Lord spoke tome.
But I haven't been in a stripclub in, I think, seven or eight
years and it's because of theword, and the fleshly part of me
(01:13:18):
misses it.
But I so fear God.
That and that's why I wear myfaith on my sleeve is because if
someone sees me step into theSpearmint Rhino in Las Vegas, I
want them to say that dude sayshe's a Christian.
And then I got to duck my headand I got to leave because I
(01:13:41):
look foolish when you run aroundbeating your chest.
I'm a Christian, I'm a Christian.
And that's what I try toexplain to men.
Everybody wants to wear theirfaith in private and I'm like no
, if you really want to cleanyourself up, wear it publicly.
And that way, when someone cutsyou off in traffic, you can't
blow your horn and give them thefinger Because, like man, I'm a
(01:14:02):
Christian.
I can't do that.
Blah, blah, blah.
And people want to hide theirfaith so that they're free to do
whatever they want to do.
And they want to put on allthese other titles.
And I was like thisconservative title.
It's useless Because, as aconservative, I used to talk to
conservatives in strip clubs.
I used to, you know, argue andcurse at other conservatives.
(01:14:27):
Conservatives would curse andargue with me.
But when you put on thatChristian title, all them
options go away and they getreduced.
And that's the only way I'vebeen able to clean up my
behavior is by submitting andtelling everybody hey, I've
submitted and it's no different.
(01:14:49):
When we came upstairs, what didI tell y'all?
Man, I've been on one meal aday for 60 days and blah, blah,
blah.
That's to let all y'all know.
Don't offer me no food.
Now I'm on one meal a day.
Accountability, I'm fat.
And the next thing you know,y'all said well, I'm going to
help Whitlock on his journey.
I'm not going to offer him anyfood, but it used to be.
(01:15:10):
I show up in a room andeverybody wants, every woman
wants, to feed me, and they getupset.
What do you mean?
You don't want a third helping.
You're big, sexy, and that'swhy I'm telling you about
nicknames and you start havingto live up to them and again.
So you call yourself big, yougot to stay big.
You call yourself sexy, you gotto have sex.
Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
You got to go to strip clubs.
Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
That's why let me dust that nickname off.
My mama called me Jason.
Called me Jason, it's abiblical name, and I've taken on
this title of Christian so thatI have a set of parameters that
I have to answer to.
Not that I do it all the time,but I try constantly to live up
(01:15:59):
to that new title I've givenmyself Christian and we should
all make that attempt.
Amen, that's a daily thing, Yep.
Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
And you're right, nobody's perfect, and nor are we
supposed to be.
Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
You're never going to be.
Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
It's an unattainable journey.
Let's wrap it up so I can tellthese strip club stories,
because I've got a million ofthem.
Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
Believe me we do need that.
Strippers need witness too, andthat's the end.
Thank you for listening.
Speaker 6 (01:16:32):
Where?
Where are you going to see himat the waffle house?
Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
I mean, you're asleep by 9, 30 so we do need to wrap
it up, though.
Anybody else got something.
That's been amazing.
I'm thankful for the wholenight.
Uh, absolutely we.
You know we say this a lot.
We try to have people on thatlike embody the spirit of what
we feel, like you know we did.
It's like you're standing upfor what you believe in, against
the mainstream narrative.
Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
You are that plus plus, you know, a thousand, but
the only reason I want this tocontinue is because this old
fashioned that Neil made me hasa lot of pop, and so I was like
I'm going to sit on this showand keep talking until my buzz
goes away.
Until my buzz goes away and Iknow I can drive back to
(01:17:06):
Nashville, so I think.
Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
I'm there, I think I'm there, I know.
Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
I can drive back to Nashville.
How do you feel?
Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
I think I'm there.
I'll guzzle down another waterand I'm ready to go.
Speaker 6 (01:17:14):
No rush out Do you have someone in your heart.
Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
No, I think I'm sober , all right.
Speaker 6 (01:17:21):
We do want to one more time remind people of Roll
Call.
Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Make sure you go get your tickets for that.
Follow Jason on X at JasonWhitlock.
Whitlock time.
Remind people of roll call.
Uh, make sure you go get yourtickets for that.
Follow jason on x at jasonwhitlock whitlock jason.
Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Sorry at whitlock jason.
Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
Yes instagram real jason well real jason whitlock
youtube.
Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Youtubecom.
Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Slash jason whitlock absolutely, and if you're
watching this episode on youtube, make sure you subscribe like
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Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
I'm sorry, kurt for coming on.
I will say this you got anyquestions for us well, just a
lovely home like this and such alovely wife, I I will have to
get invited back for a meal.
I I I saw your kitchen andthere's could be major work done
in that kitchen that's a fact.
Speaker 7 (01:18:05):
I gotta, I got, to say something, neil's wife.
Let me tell you somethingthere's no one better at
entertaining and feeding,cooking.
Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
I was talking about cooking.
Speaker 7 (01:18:16):
That kitchen is a staging area for great things.
Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
She is the best host.
Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Tell me this, Neil.
This is a documented fact.
Dr Fauci has the scientists.
This is scientifically proven.
No one makes better home friedchicken than yours truly.
Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
Really yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
And it doesn't matter what kitchen I'm in, it doesn't
matter.
Would love to come back here, Iwill provide you know.
Would love to come back here, Iwill provide the chicken.
Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
Yeah, love to come back here the oil and make some
fried chicken.
You're used to oil, I bring myown, I bring my own I was going
to say I bet he's got his
Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
own oil.
Speaker 7 (01:18:59):
I want the Whitlock oil.
It's a little secret recipethat I don't share with anybody
anybody.
Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
But okay, you know, boy, or you can come to my house
and I could make it there, uh,but you know you're gonna have
to talk to her, oh yeah oh,she's, I mean she runs the show
around here.
Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
I wear the pants, she picks them out yeah, if y'all
I'm just if y'all picked abetter day, that that's I would
have come in early, fried somechicken.
We would have sat here and atethe chicken while we were having
this conversation yeah, andy'all could have been telling
everybody about part two.
Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Well, part two.
Speaker 5 (01:19:33):
You're going to come back and we can do this again.
Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
We could definitely come back, or I've already
invited you to my home.
Okay, all of you guys to myhome.
You're sitting there with meand Jeffrey.
We get you.
Jeffrey, my studio couldbabysit five of us.
Speaker 5 (01:19:50):
That's how many is here, Jason?
Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
We got Jeffrey Jeffrey's coming.
Anything I do at my house,Jeffrey's always there.
That's going to turn into a jamsession.
Speaker 5 (01:20:00):
You understand that, right?
Speaker 6 (01:20:02):
We barely scratched the surface with what a great
man you are and everythingyou've done.
Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
You don't know me well.
If you're calling me a greatman, I'm telling you Stop trying
to eat journalists, he's trying
Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
to make sure he's invited.
Speaker 6 (01:20:14):
I love chicken.
Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
I really want to be there.
You tried.
Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
K-Lo oh my gosh, we are coming to you from the
Patriot Mobile Studios.
Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
We thank Jason Whitlock for being here.
Thank you guys for listening.
Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
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