Jeremy Popoff on Lit Rock Stardom, Musical Resilience, and Holiday Favorites :: Ep 34 Try That in a Small Town Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Every show we almost kind of treat like it's our most
important show ever and maybeit's our last show ever.
And so we just go out for bloodand we leave it all out there.
You know, we've never phoned itin.
We've never treated somethinglike let's just get paid and get
out of here.
We've always just thought likethis is it boys, we better get
out there and do it.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
We listen to this stuff.
When I tell dude, like beforethe show, we're listening to lit
, you know.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
And that's funny.
Before the show in our dressingroom we're listening to country
.
Just because you're in a bandand just because you're on MTV
or whatever doesn't mean thatyou don't go through the same
life stuff that everybody elseis going through.
It's just that you're doing itkind of in a spot under a
spotless.
You know you kind of under hispolish.
You're going through, you'relosing somebody or you're going

(00:47):
through a divorce.
You're not going to walk intoCarson Daly on TRL and he's like
so what are you guys up to?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
we're like well if you really want to know.
I mean s***'s really hittingthe fan you asked.
The Try that in a Small Townpodcast begins now.

Speaker 5 (01:08):
Try that in a Small Town, We've got the usual
suspects K-Lo right next to me.
Who's next to you?
I'm right, really close Reallyclose.
We've got Trash, We've got TKand tonight this is awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I can't wait, I know.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
It's especially cool for Tully and I.
He's become a friend, but wewere fans originally from the
band and guitarist of Lit, it isJeremy Popoff.
Yo, let's go, come on Look athim.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Good to see y'all Fantastic.

Speaker 5 (01:38):
Looking good, my man.
Thank you, brother, likewise.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
You don't change, you don't change, thank you brother
.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Likewise, you don't change.
You don't change Change on theinside.
Wow, we're going to go deepright now.
Yeah, no, it's good to see youguys.
You too Sitting here with somelegends.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I love it.
I love it.
We were just talking about thisMe and Kurt were talking about
this.
The first time we ever we werea huge fan Place in the Sun came
out in 99, right, yeah, okay,so I think in 2000, I think it's
2000,.
But you guys came to town,probably for some sort of show

(02:13):
for the radio station 1029 maybe, but it was around this time of
year and we'd been listening tothat album on repeat.
Oh, we were on the road.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
Oh yeah, we were fans .
We were cranking this stuff upbefore we played any.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
I mean, it was just great melodic rock and roll,
thank you.
And we went down and saw youguys at a place.
It's gone now, but it wascalled the 328 Performance Hall.
Where was that?

Speaker 5 (02:42):
It was right there, on 4, fourth avenue, I think on
the north, or is that north?
Side going towards uh, back tothe interstate.
Um, but it was cool.
So that was like a 2000 thatcame out in 99 and of course
everybody knows the hit my ownworst enemy, which is actually
weird to say.

(03:02):
It's probably amulti-generational hit.
Do you find that?
More people, not more people,but there's a new generation of
people that have come to knowthe song We've been noticing in
the last couple of years.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
I've really noticed there's kids in the front row
and it's flashback because it'slike 15, 16-year-old girls
singing all the words to thesongs and I'm like whoa, this is
25 years ago, so I guess theirparents must have turned them on
to some rock and roll along theway and it's like and we're
seeing a lot of that You'rewelcome.

(03:39):
Yeah, it's your daughter I gottwo daughters, man, but it's for
a lot of reasons.
I mean, one of the first thingswas like Guitar Hero and Rock
Band, you know, getting in onthat in that sort of early 2000s
, when rock started to kind ofget away from rock, and I was
worried.
I was like man, no, kids aregoing to be asking for a Les

(03:59):
Paul for Christmas, you know,because there was no guitar in
rock for a while.
And here comes this video gameand it was just like swept
everybody.
We were lucky enough to get onthat.
So, um, that turned on anothergeneration of uh, of fans and
then now it's just it's kids andit's, yeah, it is
multi-generational.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
It's crazy, dude it's like it's one of those things
like I kind of feel this way ina very separate way.
But you know, you go down tolower broadway and you're gonna
hear hicktown or something.
Right, you're gonna.
You're just gonna hear that.
Another one of the songs you'regonna hear is my own worst
enemy and I.
There was a viral thing.
When was that?
A couple years ago, you and ajgot up and somebody was playing.

(04:39):
At what club was that at?
That was at 12, 30, okay, at 1230.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
I don't miss that you got.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
Oh, it's fantastic.
But is that crazy to you like?
Do you ever?
You probably don't go downthere much, but if you do, you
hear that song all the time itis crazy, um, and that happens a
lot, not if one of us.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
I mean, I've been brought up to do it a few times,
and so has my brother, but whenwe're together it's like it's
for sure going to happen.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
It's true, though.
You see, when you um, Iremember a couple of years ago,
I came home, you know, my sonplays guitar and I walk into the
house randomly and I walk inand I hear I'm like.
And I walk in and I hear I'mlike, this is wild.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
And you're right, they're rediscovering all the
music and I think you're aboutto touch on this, and Jeremy did
too.
Maybe we'll just go there likerock music has pretty much gone
away, which I think is why Istill listen to classic rock and
then, of course, rock from the90s and 2000s.

(05:47):
It's like besides I don't knowFoo Fighters, like who are the
rock bands that are carrying onthe legacy.

Speaker 6 (05:53):
They're coming back though I've got, I mean on
satellite radio.
I mean I listen to Octane onsatellite radio.
I mean there's a lot of youngbands that are trying to revive
it and there's a lot of kidsloving it.
I think it's going to.
I really do.
I think it's, I think and itmight be, but, like I was
thinking, Guitar wise.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
I mean, it's coming back.
I was thinking of this whenJeremy was talking.
Like I was thinking who are thekids?
Like I grew up and I heard VanHalen or you know anybody like
that, and it's like you had somany guitar heroes.
First of all, I want to ask whoyour guitar heroes were.
But who are the kids listeningto today?
Who do they go?
Oh my God, I want to be that.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
It's probably why they rediscovered the older
stuff I know.

Speaker 6 (06:36):
That's right.
My daughters did, they wentback.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
There's a couple bands that I like from the last
five or six years highly suspect.
I think they're kind of cool.
They've been around what?
Six years or a little longer.
I don't know somewhere in thereand my son turned me on to them
a couple bands, one fromCalifornia called the Bad Sons,

(07:00):
they were kind of cool, but youguys kind of set the bar for
like writing really melodic rocksongs.
Yes, you did, we listened tothis stuff.
When I tell you, dude, beforethe show, we're listening to Lit
, isn't?

Speaker 1 (07:18):
that funny.
Before the show in our dressingroom we're listening to Country
.

Speaker 6 (07:23):
It's cool how that happens, though.
You know we come here and westart writing country stuff, but
I'm listening to you and yourbrother and I'm going.
I'm going, I'm getting inspiredby you guys y'all may be
getting.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Inspired.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
It was a well-written song, but I'm getting inspired.

Speaker 6 (07:36):
By you guys, because your brother's hell of a singer
and I'm, I'm just listening andthere's so many hooks, I'm just
going.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
There's so many hooks in your guys' music Guitar
hooks, vocal hooks, just thewhole thing.
A ton of them.
And if, for those of you outthere listening who have never
seen these guys play live, gosee them play live.
That was the thing that alwaysgot us.
We've seen you guys a few timesand you guys, man, I think

(08:06):
that's why you're still doing itat such a high level.
You we talked about a littlebit ago.
You're playing show.
You're playing a lot of shows ayear for a reason because
you've always brought quality tothe stage, a great show.
I don't think you can have acareer this long without doing
that.
You know I think people falloff.
You know what I mean and I'msure that the fans you still
feel that out there, oh yeah,music.
You know I.
I think people fall off.
You know what I mean and I'msure that the fans you still
feel that out there, oh yeah, inmusic, you know.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
I think we, we've always kind of gone out every
show.
We almost kind of treat likeit's our most important show
ever and maybe it's our lastshow ever, and so we just go out
for blood and we we leave itall out there.
You know, leave it all outthere.
You know, we don't.
We've never phoned it in, we'venever treated something like

(08:47):
let's just get paid and get outof here.
We've always just thought likethis is it boys, we better get
out there and do it, you know,and and we're just so like
grateful and humbled the factthat we're still doing it not
that we had anything elseplanned to do, you, you know at
this point.
But it is crazy that I lookaround and I just see all my

(09:09):
guys and we're all, you know, Ijust turned 53.
My bass player's 52.
My brother's 51 and we'rejumping off shit.
I'm like, oh shit, careful dude, that's to be commended dude.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Thanks, man.

Speaker 6 (09:22):
Y'all have been hanging that long that your
ligaments are still intact.
I know.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
For the most part, whether we know it.

Speaker 6 (09:28):
It's to be commended.
That y'all hung in there andyou haven't hung it up yet.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
I tell you that's something to be said for that.
I'm looking at the drum riserthese days, thinking twice about
jumping off that thing.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
Step off it.
Step off it Like a gentleman.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
You know what was really cool, though Great memory
for us, I know.
So we met you so long ago, butthen you called up and you had
us go in and we cut some of yourcountry songs together at big
studios with TW Engineering,jeez, and you guys wrote and I

(10:03):
think we're, you know, likecountry-esque type songs and
they were.
It was fantastic.
What a great time so what?
Year.
Was that?
Because I don't.

Speaker 5 (10:11):
This had to be, oh oh five or six, I think it was oh
six, oh seven, maybe, yeah,right around there, I think I
think it was is that when youfirst started kind of coming to
nashville a little bit in thatera I started?

Speaker 1 (10:23):
I think my first riding trip to Nashville was 05,
early 05 and I was kind ofgoing through my first midlife
crisis, your first, yeah, yeah,nice, I think I went through two
.
That was the first one, but I Iwas sort of you know, we're
talking earlier about guitar androck and all this stuff and I
was becoming disenchanted withrock that was coming out and I

(10:48):
was feeling a little bit likethere was like a vacancy that
wasn't doing for me what it wasdoing before and I was feeling
creatively like a little bitstifled and I kind of came out
here not really knowing what toexpect but I was like I need to
do something else, I need to,you know.
So I really I started divinginto country music and which

(11:09):
sort of came natural Cause whenmy brother and I our dad was a
radio DJ when we were kids andfor our whole lives and he was
the top 40 radio DJ, but hisfirst couple gigs were country
radio.
We didn't know the difference.
We were just little kids andyou know, I didn't know Waylon
Jennings and Kenny Rogers wascountry and I didn't know that

(11:29):
you know, I just like songs, youknow.
And so I kind of came fullcircle when I started coming out
here and I realized like ohwait, I have some of this in my
blood.
You know.
But the very first trip I tookout here, my very first writing
session, was with Jeffrey Steele, Jeez, and, and we wrote this

(11:51):
great song and.
And then I remember a couple ofweeks later, like Faith Hill
put it on hold and I was likethis is easy, let's move to
Nashville.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
It's funny, though, about you though.
I remember we wrote.
You haven't written in a longtime, but years ago we wrote and
you're a great writer, like thething you know, we've written
with some guys in the rock worldmany times and it's not always
that way.
You know, it's differentwriting for country, it just is
it's different writing for rock.

Speaker 6 (12:22):
Yeah, I wrote with Edwin mccain one time and it was
, it was.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
it was completely different you know I wrote with
rich robertson one time for theblack crows and he laid there
and fell asleep on the couch sowas it just you and him, or was
there somebody else there?
no, uh, david fanning was there,yeah, so we're just sitting
there, I mean, you know, notbashing on rich, a great guitar
player, but it's like man, wegot to write some words to.

(12:48):
These words have to have tomake a sense too, which is the
thing.
But you've, you've got thatlike I remember writing,
thinking this guy can write rocksongs and country songs.
You know it's, it's a, it's agreat thanks, great weapon to
have.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
You know, I was also very and, by the way, you don't
dive into country music.
You kind of belly flop in thecountry it's more.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Like.
You know, I did some homeworkand research, though, too.
The last thing I wanted to dowas be this knucklehead from LA,
you know, rock guy coming intoNashville acting like he knew
what was what was up.
You know I I was veryrespectful, I think, to the
culture and to the.
You know, I knew that everybodywas busting their ass too, you

(13:32):
know, so I didn't want to comein.
My my success with lit allowedme to get into some rooms with
some great people.
At first, you know JamieJohnson, and and and and and
steel, and and a bunch of others, but I never got a phone call.

Speaker 6 (13:48):
By the way, you know, you, you were, you were
untouchable.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
But yeah, dude, I think I think it just I, I, I
didn't, I, I didn't.
I took it seriously.
You know, I think that was andI fell in love with it.
I mean, honestly, I really fellin love with Nashville.
I fell in love with the process, I fell in love with the
writers and the musicians andall that.

Speaker 6 (14:18):
How was the business different from LA and Nashville?
Was the business like differentas far as the way they?
They didn't pitch songs in LA.
I know there wasn't a bunch ofsongwriting communities out
there.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
No, there wasn't really a bunch of any
communities out there.
I mean, we're from OrangeCounty, but we were from like
North Orange County, and thenthere were South Orange County
and then there was LA.
And you know, was it shockingwhen you got here, as far as the
way the business was run county, and then there were south
orange county and then there wasla, and you know was it.

Speaker 6 (14:45):
Was it shocking when you got here, as far as the way
the business was run?

Speaker 1 (14:49):
well, the business of songwriting.
What tripped me out at firstwas, you know, my first trip out
here.
Luckily, my first one was withsteel, and he doesn't like to
start until about two or three,that's right.
But like the 11 am rights, Iwas like what are you guys
talking about?
You can't drink at 11 am.
But you, I was like what areyou guys talking about?
You can't drink at 11 am.
But you know, I came from asweaty warehouse in Anaheim

(15:12):
where we used to.
You know, we would go in at 6 or7 pm and we'd be there till 1,
2 in the morning drinking, youknow natural lights, and just
jamming and writing and orcoming up with an idea and then
bringing it into thatenvironment.
So the idea of getting togetherat noon, that was a new
discipline for me, but thenthat's how we do it now.
You know my rock band, you knowLit.
When we get together and now towrite it's scheduled and it I

(15:36):
mean it's usually one or two,but I mean the idea of getting
together in the daytime atsomeone's house and like sitting
around and doing it.
That was something we learnedhere which changed, it, matured
you.
Well, you know, at some point,you know, it is like you kind of

(15:57):
have to plan it and get yourhead in that space and go to
work and go to do it and show up.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 7 (16:01):
Yeah, and get started at the crack of noon.
Crack of noon Get going and Iwas going to ask you with how
many songs you've written andrecorded.
Have you guys ever had alawsuit on any of your songs
that you've been a part of or a?
Writer of Wow.

Speaker 6 (16:14):
That's a good one here.
I've got a specific reason Notyet.

Speaker 7 (16:16):
Because I was wondering if you, because you've
got that song yeah, yeah, right.
I was curious if, if you guysever came after joe nichols for
recording a song, he just athird of it just called yeah in
2013 and I was wondering if itcrossed your minds.
It's like that bastard stoleour title.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
No, no is there any specific writer on that song
that you're actually gordy's oneof?

Speaker 7 (16:43):
them.
I'm trying to get him to listento podcast.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, he'll listen now I mean, is he not on every
song?

Speaker 3 (16:50):
yeah, yeah, he's on most everything, yeah he is
actually so one thing I want totouch on and I hope it's okay is
, um, we talk about similarities, that our two bands, we always
felt that kind of kinship withyou guys.
Different genres, but samementality.
I think, um, you lost youroriginal drummer not long out I

(17:11):
think if I'm not mistaken, itwas 09, somewhere around there
when he'd pass I could bemistaken, I feel like it was
somewhere in there and so we metyou and probably they started
hanging out with you in 06 orsomething.
And so you know, you guys,moving on from that past, that

(17:32):
point had to be challengingBecause I think about, you know
our band, and if Rich wasn'there, I don't know how I would
do that, you know I mean.
So just I wanted to ask you ifit's okay, yeah, how I can't.

(17:55):
I can barely talk about itbecause I can't imagine it yeah,
rich actually did a show withus.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Remember when you filled in for us?
Yeah, I came down to that,that's cool down there across
from the stadium.

Speaker 5 (18:03):
What, what was that club?
Limelight, or?

Speaker 1 (18:05):
something I think it was called.
It was a.
It was a crazy time, causethere were.
The first thing that happenedwas shortly after, well, I was
building my bar in oh five.
We started building it and thenI started coming here and then
my parents were in an accidentwhere they got hit by a drunk
driver on a motorcycle, oh mygod.

(18:26):
And we had to press pause onour careers and take care of our
mom.
Um, for several months and I, myfirst trip to nashville was
during that chaos, and then fastforward a couple years.
Then our drummer gets sick andwe were just kind of like, wow,
what we're just getting thrownall these, you know curveballs
and, um, our drum tech at thetime, this kid, nathan, he was

(18:51):
uh, him and Al were real close,you know, and he was the tech
and he just, uh, he was thereready to just hop in the seat
and and and take over when oncewe gave him the green light to
do that.
But at first we were kind ofjust like you know we were.
We were supposed to go on tourwith kiss in Europe when all
that went down, and then, youknow, that didn't happen.

(19:13):
And how do you?
You know he was, he'd still forsure 100% be in our band if he
was still here.
But you know how do you buildsomething for that many years
with this gang of kids thatdidn't know shit and then one's
gone.
But we were like at some point.

(19:34):
Obviously we had to take acouple months to just digest,
but we were like man and itsounds cheesy Everyone says this
, but it's sort of like no, hewould really be pissed if we
sure, if we didn't carry on, hebuilt it with you guys so he
built it.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
He wouldn't want that to not exist, but it's still.
You know, for for me, I I canjust imagine what that's like if
, if I looked around and didn'tsee any of my brothers next to
me, what that, how that, howlong it would take me to just be
able to just perform like Ialways did.

(20:09):
You know what I mean, and so Icommend you guys, for you know
it's not easy to do, becausepeople don't understand.
You know you spend more timewith your band than anybody else
.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
Oh, we talk about about all the time I see totally
way more than I see my wifestill to this day, even though
our schedule is way less.
Uh, and maybe that's a good wayto get back to the beginning
too, because people think it'san overnight success, because my
own worst enemy blows up andall of a sudden you're gone and
you're world famous.

(20:45):
But there's that, what?
Maybe 10 years of grinding andyou guys formed what in high
school is that right?

Speaker 1 (20:53):
the whole band high school, late 80s um started out
on the sunset strip, you know,and so you're doing the whiskey
and roxy, all those yeah ofstuff.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
Yeah, and y'all had to go through, was it Derek
Thomas?
And like his, his passing, andI mean y'all, y'all, you, I mean
you have, you've had to endurea lot of tragic stuff, people
you've known.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
I mean, you know, looking back on it now it's sort
of, I guess, just becauseyou're in a band and just
because you're on MTV orwhatever doesn't mean that you
don't go through the same lifestuff that everybody else is
going through.

(21:39):
It's just that you're doing itkind of I don't want to say like
under a spotlight, but kind ofunder a spotlight.
You know you're going through,you're losing somebody or you're
going through a divorce oryou're you know you're having a
kid or all these things where,and then you have to go, like I
got to go to work and I got togo play or I got to go do this
thing and and and you knowyou're not going to walk into
Carson Daly on TRL and he's likeso what are you guys up?
to.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
We're like well if you really want to know.
I mean, shit's really hittingthe face.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
You asked, but you know that you know the mtv thing
and I see your sport in the mtvshirt.

Speaker 5 (22:14):
You guys were a part of the mtv hey day, when it was
at its biggest point.
Trl uh, spring break, right, doyou guys do that?
And then what I didn't know,which I saw today, is he did the
MTV Cribs which is like a totallegit movie.

Speaker 6 (22:29):
I remember when you did that.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
So talk a little bit about the MTV days.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
You know, now that I'm in my fifties.
We just did a HGTV.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
What Did you really?
So my house was just on.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
HGTV a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
I'm surprised I haven't seen it.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Christina.
In the country it's called ohmy gosh, and it's essentially
Cribs for old people, so like meDude, full circle or half
circle, maybe I don't know.

Speaker 7 (22:57):
Wow, yeah, did you like filming that, like doing
that, the TV stuff, all thethings you like filming that,
like doing that.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
The TV stuff, all the things you like doing that.
We loved it because we grew upon it.
You know, and we went from in98, you know, watching TRL to 99
, we were on it, you know, samething with like late night TV
and all that stuff.
It's like that was our stuff.
You know we were products ofthat, so to be on it.
I remember the first time wewent to MTV and you know we're
with Matt Penfield on 120minutes and he's asking us

(23:27):
questions but we're like wait,hold on dude.
We need to ask you somequestions Like this is crazy
that we're sitting here and he,like he knew more about our band
than we did, you know, and itwas, it was.
It was, it was bananas, I mean,in the spring break thing, I
mean crazy.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
I heard you talking a little bit about that, Because
who else was on that show?
It was like Jay-Z right andBeyonce Dude, we were there
because they weren't dating.
Yet you didn't go to a dittyparty, oh stop.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Never went to one of those Okay.
I'm just getting out of the wayright now.
We were there when Jay-Z andBeyonce first started hanging
out and we were all on a planetogether flying back out of
there and we were all sitting infirst class.
I remember we were walking andJay-Z was right in front of me
and it was one of the olderplanes where you actually walk
on and make a left to go tofirst class, oh right.

(24:20):
And I just remember I was theguy right behind Jay-Z and he
walked up and the flightattendant was kind of pointing
to the right and he goes if Iain't making a left, I ain't
getting on this thing and, uh,power, move.
And he was sitting.
I think he was sitting one seatbehind me and my guitar tech
was sitting directly next to him.
At one point he fell asleep andhis head was leaning on jay-z's

(24:41):
shoulder.
That that's amazing.

Speaker 7 (24:44):
But Beyonce was sitting like.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
so we were in like row two and he was in like row
three and Beyonce was in likerow seven and they were just
flirting and talking back andforth the whole flight back.
They weren't together yet, soyou were there at the beginning.
Yeah, I like to kind of thinkwe had a small part in that.
Yeah, of course, for sure, thewhole dynasty for sure, the

(25:09):
whole dynasty for sure.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
So you know, so you guys, you know success comes.
You know, first album place inthe sun.
So now, after that, I was gonna, I wanted to ask you because we
never talked about this and Ialways wanted to ask you.
You know, because as a band,this is a big moment.
Like you're, all of a suddenyou're going to start opening up
for some people that you usedto like.
Who did you open up for afteryou guys, you know, started
touring and having success.
That that you're like, becauseI know we had those moments.

(25:31):
We were like, wow, we're outdoing it.
Now, all of a sudden, you're inarenas and you're opening up
and it feels amazing.
So do you have any greatmemories about who who like
sticks in your mind back inthose days that you guys kind of
went on tour with, or the firstband that took us on tour, uh,
doing arenas and sheds, wasoffspring.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Oh, that's awesome, yeah, and we were.
You know, they were from orangecounty as well and so were we,
but we, the first time we methim was at the first
amphitheater show that we werescheduled to play on the tour.
You know, same thing, with nodoubt we actually from the same
town and I actually went to thesame high school as the drummer,
adrian, yeah, oh really, and um, that's cool, we weren't, we

(26:11):
didn't really hang in high.
He was a couple years olderthan me and, um, you know, I was
a long hair rock guy and he waskind of, you know, a preppy,
you know whatever, but but nodoubt was big in anaheim and we
were just kind of coming up andwe met them for the first time
on the first show of that tourand, um, it's kind of wild, but
um, probably some of the radiofestivals right where we got to

(26:34):
really like when we got to playa radio festival with stone
temple pilots- yeah I justremember going.
Wow, yeah, like we played ourset ran backstage, took showers
changed, ran out into the crowdto watch so you could watch.
Yeah, we were like we playedour set ran backstage, took
showers changed, ran out intothe crowd to watch so you could
watch.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
Yeah, we were like we got these passes it's the best
tickets we're ever gonna havefor stp.
I remember we did that with kidrock.
Uh, we did some festival and wehadn't seen him yet and we did
the exact same thing, it was afestival yeah, and we were all
like little kids side.
So he's going.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Oh my god, this is amazing it's like, yeah, and
those and those guys like, likestp or like kid, I love I
remember I don't know this isstp, I, they're so good, it is
so good musically.
Wyland was a complete badass,just, and when we saw the kid I

(27:22):
remember we over for kid rock itlike we loved, knowing that,
okay, he's gonna kick our asstonight.
He's kicking our ass right now.
Yeah, dude, you know what Imean.
He's kicking our ass right nowand that's as big as anything
for us.
Like, I love that feeling oflike, okay, we got some work to
do and I just love that.

(27:44):
I remember that watching him,though thinking oh, yeah, okay,
well, we're, we're kind of,we're kind of making it.
I think if they were openingfor kid rock, we're watching
them, we're, we have passes, wehave these cool I mean, they can
but,

Speaker 5 (27:59):
yeah, they will eventually.
Yeah, you know, they have stp.
That's another band of brothers, right?
Yeah, and, and you know, forpeople that might not know, lit
obviously the lead singer isyour brother.
Talk a little bit about thatdynamic and how you didn't go
the way of Oasis or maybe theblack crows, where the tension

(28:22):
is high and you, you know itseems like you guys get along,
I'm sure you you but wedefinitely have our oasis
moments.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
But you know, we're the only two kids in the family,
we're both we're exactly twoyears apart and we were latchkey
kids.
You know, our parents gotdivorced when we were really
young and we we stayed with ourdad for a few years and he was a
radio DJ and so he, his shiftwas kind of like afternoons and
so we we were latchkey kids.
I mean, if you look it up inthe dictionary, that was us.

(28:56):
We, you know, we'd stay outriding our bikes until it got
dark and then we'd go home and,you know, feed ourselves some
top ramen or whatever.
Our dad wouldn't get home fromwork till like nine or 10
o'clock at night and we weregetting ready for bed and stuff,
and so we just kind of raisedby wolves, you know, we just
raised each other and raisedourselves and we were just doing
whatever and yeah.
So I think we've just beenclose just by nature, cause

(29:22):
we've just that's how we've beenour whole life.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
So yeah, AJ is such a bad-ass too.
What a great voice Like, likewhat you guys do, like you all
that push and pull is why it'sso great.
We trust me and it's the samething Like.
It's like arguments.
Me and Redmond used to havestraight up fist fights, you
know, and it's like, but I can'texist without them.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
I love Rich.
You know, I don't know if Itold you guys this story the
first time I ever saw him.
I was dating a girl and she wasdoing a round at like 10 roof
or something and he was playinga cajon.
Give it a hell, oh, giving ithell.
Afterwards I told her.
Her, I was like that's one ofthe best drummers I've ever seen

(30:07):
.
And she goes who was that?
The guy that was just up thereplaying with you?
She goes, the guy was sittingon that box.
I'm like, yeah, I could justtell.
And I met him that night and Iand then um, I think that's how
we all got to work together wasI called him up and said, dude,
would you, yeah, play on somesessions, like if you're not
doing it, you know, if you'reavailable, whatever.
And then he called you guys andwe all just got together and

(30:28):
rich is a straight bad-ass, buthe's one of the best drummers on
the planet.
Hands down.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
You know I can't, I can't, absolutely play without
him Like I'm.
I can't even.
I don't even know what I woulddo, and and I don't even know
what I would do, and boy on thecajon, forget it.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
No, he's going to give it hell.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Even now we'll do a lot of semi-acoustic type stuff,
like if it's for a radio eventor charity event.
He's got this little kit backthere and, man, I tell you what
it's amazing what he does.

Speaker 6 (31:05):
I don't think I could ever play with him.
I did Rich's podcast and he'splaying.
He told me why don't you donight train?
So I'm doing it and he's overthere keeping time and I'm like,
oh my God, I don't keep time,I'm not good, pocket you know,
because I'm going to do it myway and I'm going to rush, but
Rich was so in the pocket I'mlike it was a struggle, he's one

(31:27):
of the most.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
I mean, it was so, it was so perfect that I couldn't.

Speaker 6 (31:30):
I couldn't do my thing because he was so good
most drummers are.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
They do the beat.
Rich is musical it's, there's athere's a distinction between
that.
He's like one of the mostmusical drummers that you will
ever hear he plays it like aninstrument.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, he's not, he's not.
He's not doing math, he's, he'sliterally just he's playing,
he's living the song?

Speaker 3 (31:53):
yeah, I would not be.
I tell him.
I tell him this all the time.
You know we hanging out in thebus and having a drink, or I'll
be like man.
I wouldn't be half the player Iam if I didn't meet you when I
was 22 years old.
You know what I'm saying.
Yeah.
Like for me personally, like I'm, you know, street player, like
self-taught, you know, Same Richhas all that sensibility but it

(32:14):
also has all this schooling andit's just like it's amazing.
I remember the first time, oneof the first times I played with
him, we were rehearsing at arehearsal studio for something
and he and I and I was playing alittle, pushing him a little
head, and he stops, he goes, hegoes, do you want to go faster

(32:36):
and I said, should we put thisup a click or?
two, yeah, I said, and then Irealized shit.
Okay again, though, playingrich needed to be that great to
make me better, like, like, andeven even now, like rich is, I'm
still chasing his, you know.
I'm still trying to get towhere he is.
You know what I mean, andthat's why it's, it's a it's,

(32:56):
but I can't imagine, you know,it comes back, comes back to
that, the, the thing you withthe original drummer, and how
you guys moved on, how how youum, take up those pieces and
it's and it's.
I'm just really glad you did,you know, because you guys are
out still kicking ass yeah,still kicking all kinds of ass.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
You know you guys are playing what we talked about.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
At what?
60 to 70 shows a year you?

Speaker 5 (33:19):
know, dang, you're grinding man still we're gone a
lot.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
That's amazing.
Hey, we've been very fortunate.
Um, like we were talking aboutearlier, like somehow I don't
know if it was the nashvilleinfluence, but we have managed.
We're one of the few rock bandsout there still doing it that
managed to adopt the countrymusic schedule right it's
different, tell people we leave.
We leave on a thursday or friday, you know we play on weekend.
We're usually home by dinner onSunday, and then Monday,

(33:44):
tuesday, wednesday we're homewith the family at the house,
and either we can write, we canrecord, or we can do nothing.

Speaker 6 (33:51):
Isn't life easier out here.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Life is, it can be and it is if you make it.
It can also be crazy.
There's something going onevery single night, and when it
really becomes evident is whenpeople come to visit.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Oh, I know what you're going to say.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Man, if you would have got here last night, you
could have went to this thing.
And oh, you're leaving on thisday.
Well, the next day this ishappening and everyone's like
God.
That's why you got to move here, dude.
I don't have to tell you, takeme to Broadway when we lived in
East Nashville and it was duringCOVID when we relocated here
full time.
It was right at the beginningof COVID and we lived painfully

(34:34):
close to downtown.
You know, we were in East andwe were like 15 blocks from the
river and it was hard to say noto people.
Well, first of all people juststopped by the house and then
they'd be like hey, we're goingto Losers tonight, meet us over
there.
Now I can go like well, we'reout in Franklin, man, you know
we're home for the night.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
When you're like 15 blocks away.

Speaker 6 (34:54):
They're like no dude yeah, you're coming out bro, you
got a good excuse when you livedown here yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:00):
Hey, we got to take a break, but I do want to talk
about this because you broughtup COVID Real quick.
We had Tommy Lahren on just acouple weeks ago and she gave us
the brief story.
I don't think it's when she metyou guys, but hanging out with
you guys during COVID and yourbrother getting arrested.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Oh yeah, give everybody the quick story of
what happened here.
It was when they were closingthe bars at 10 or 11 or
something, because you knowCOVID would go to sleep at 10 or
11 so you can't pass the virusor it would wake up you had to
hurry up and get out of losersbefore.

Speaker 6 (35:37):
COVID came it was like going to bed before Santa
Claus got there that's so funny,dude, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
And so we were hanging out one night.
We all went back for severaltimes.
Our house, my house, was likethe after party house, okay, you
know which, whatever it wasduring COVID we're having 30, 40
strangers at the house likemultiple nights a week.
But one night my brother mybrother had just just moved in,
just got his house styled in,whatever, and we were all at

(36:06):
something and and he was like,well, let's do it at my house
tonight, like all right.
And that was when, uh, thatlittle jackass mayor, the new
mayor of nashville was, wasaround, um, and he was doing
this thing where people werelike narking on their neighbors
yeah, dude, we were just talkingabout this a couple weeks ago.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
They were in a sentence to rat on your neighbor
.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Hey, oh is there more than four people hanging out?
Well, call us and we'll cometake care of it.
And that's pretty much whathappened.
One of my brother's neighborscalled and these cops showed up
in the backyard and I thinkthere was like 10 people out on
the deck smoking cigars andcigarettes or whatever.

(36:46):
And there was 10 people in thehouse and he's got a big house
and they knocked on the door and, yeah, he got arrested that
night, had to do like baillawyer and do community service
and the whole nine yeah Forhaving too many people.
For having more than six peopleor whatever.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
It was eight, six or eight.
What a crazy time and you know,you guys, we should talk about
at some point.
Is you know, when you guysstopped touring and then started
again and the weirdness around.

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We've got jeremy pop off fromlit here.
I know pretty amazing, tell you.
We're just talking about howthey dealt with some of the
covid shows and how long did youguys take off for that?
Did we take off for covid?

(38:55):
Yeah, and did you do any shows?

Speaker 1 (38:57):
we sure did.
Yeah, we, we put the word out,we're like, we're good, so but
like you couldn't promote them,you couldn't advertise them or
put them on socials like youwere gonna go do something.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
But we, we did a few not enough, but we did it in
california, or where were you um?

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I mean, like we did sturgis, oh, he did during covid
, we did um, I think we maybe wedid four or five, you know,
when it was during that firstyear 2020 or whatever it was.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
Because we what if we took off the year?
Right, because country musicshut down?
Well, especially for the way?

Speaker 1 (39:30):
well, at the level you guys are at, like we, we
were able to slip in under theradar and go do a.
You know, go do some randomthing somewhere.
Yeah, good for you?

Speaker 5 (39:39):
I mean it would, but do you remember the first show
we did back at bonnaroo or not?
Wasn't bonnaroo, but it waswhere they hold bonnaroo yeah,
we did a.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
It was where they had bonnaroo, you know, at
manchester, tennessee, and itwas for a big streaming thing um
this worldwide stream and xamount of people there, right, I
can't remember, but they hadthem in little cages, yeah they
had them in literal cages like,and it was so weird and only six
people.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
Were you there, jim?

Speaker 3 (40:07):
you were there.
So what are we doing?
What the hell are we doing?

Speaker 5 (40:10):
it was so awkward, like there's only four people in
a cage or something littleanimals in each cage?
Yeah, because, again.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
You know, covid, it doesn't jump over the cage, over
the cages, and as long as youonly have four people in there
you're good Looking back on it.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
What a, what a shit show I remember the, the one
little show we did.

Speaker 5 (40:31):
It was some weird ass .
Live stream, oh my God.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
We did it.
We, yeah, we did a virtual showand it was us.
And we're on stage staring at80 or 100 little TVs, and each
little TV had two or threepeople In their pajamas on their
couch, literally yeah, exactly,holding up signs no that's
exactly what.
And we're sitting there playing.
I'm like, okay, we're done here.

(40:55):
We did one of those.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
I forgot about that we did one at Brooklyn Bowl here
in Nashville, yeah, and it wasthe same thing and I just
remember going.
This is a cross betweensoundcheck and shooting a video
and both of those suck.

Speaker 7 (41:10):
Oh yeah, we would do corporate shows just as a song
right around, like a Bluebirdthing.
Except it's just online.
You're just looking at a 15inch screen in somebody's laptop
and you're playing.
You're taking turns playingyour hits, telling the stories
behind it, trying to be funnyand stuff, but nobody's laughing
.

Speaker 6 (41:25):
The money's the same, I'll do it.
I'll do it in front of a.

Speaker 7 (41:28):
You're just assuming I don't know, but then I did
learn and this is where youdefinitely are completely
different than Neil because,even though we live nine minutes
apart, he loves to write viaZoom.
You, you do not.

Speaker 6 (41:41):
I hate it.
I got to tell you I'm out onZoom.
The only good thing that cameout of COVID for me was Zoom
writing.

Speaker 7 (41:47):
I don't know man, I love coming up here.

Speaker 6 (41:49):
Y'all can say what you want.
I love coming up here the worstIn my golf clothes and clicking
on my computer.
That way if somebody's talkingI can mute them and I can think.
Y'all know how I am when.
I write.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
I mean I'm like, oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (42:04):
I need, I got to.
I'm good with that.
I got to think a little bit.
I'm kind of that way too.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Zoom writing.
I still do it today.
My brother does this thingwhere when we're writing, he'll,
when he's trying to think ofsomething, he'll go oh, like
dude, shut up.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
You know what Wait till you?

Speaker 1 (42:25):
have something and then say it but like, how am I
supposed to think of somethingif you're over there humming
some shit that doesn't exist.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
You know what's funny , though?

Speaker 6 (42:34):
He loves the fact that I love Zoom writing.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
I don't think you can write with people.
You got to find those people towrite with that you're
comfortable in the silence.
Some people get really awkwardin that moment.
Same as marriage.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I was just going to say that.

Speaker 6 (42:51):
It's like five in the morning.

Speaker 5 (42:53):
It is Solid point If you can't be comfortable being
quiet just sitting there, yougot a problem.

Speaker 7 (42:58):
It's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
It's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
I was driving back from Gatlinburg a couple of days
ago four hour drive and my meand my wife there's probably two
hours went by where we didn'tsay shit.
You got the right one.
I was like God, I love you.
Yeah, thank you, just for not.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
You can't.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
That's amazing.
Yes, same same and go.
I'm going to rewind because Iwe never talked about this
either.
Um, so you guys, you know, you,you get your deal right and you
start.
How many songs did you havelike were you of the first album
, like when you got signed, likewere you had you already

(43:35):
written?
You know, like miserable andlike yeah, and like some of that
stuff that's's my favorite one.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
You know, I love miserable Me too, because the
video it dude.
You know, what's funny isthat's a enemy's the biggest one
, obviously, and that's the onepeople notice by, but I've found
that songwriters gravitatetowards miserable more.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Um, we've we've referenced it a lot.
I have, in numerous songs, usedthat thought process lyrically.
What you guys did with thatsong, it's brilliant.
It's so hooky and that's what Ilove about your music.
It's just hook after hook,guitar or vocal, whatever it is.
So you had a few little songswhen you got your deal.

(44:19):
Well, you know we had a recordout.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
We signed an independent deal and we put a
record out called Tripping theLife Fantastic.
So you know, they say you have10 years, write your first
record.
Well, we had already done that.
So, place in the Sun, we wrotelike in a year and they were
songs that we were like writingon that we were just touring
around playing in front ofnobody in our warehouse in
Anaheim just writing these songsgetting turned down by every

(44:43):
label a million times.
We were getting bigger inSouthern California selling out
clubs and getting attention butstill getting the word no every
time.
Every single label passed on.
My Worst Enemy passed onMiserable.
There was a demo that had foursongs on it.
Those are two of them.
Even we eventually signed withRCA, but even Rca passed on us.
Wow, samey and our guy thatsigned us.

(45:06):
Well, two of them I don't hearthey passed us, they passed on
us.
That's crazy, crazy you we didthose showcase things you
guys were talking about yeah, inla you know you do them like at
the viper room at like fouro'clock in the afternoon.
Yeah, they'd parade out, youknow, half a dozen of these
suits you know, know, and we gotto the point where we're
finally like we got told no somany times we were like man,

(45:27):
screw this.
If they want to see us, theycome out to Anaheim and come to
our shitty warehouse crack opena natural light and and and and
see what it's all about.
But yeah, it's.
We had I don't know know howmany songs.
We've never been a band that,like, went in and had 30 songs
and narrowed it down to 12.

(45:48):
We, we, we don't even finishwriting a song if we're not
stoked on it.
And if we're stoked on it, Ilove that.
Yeah, then we're gonna finishit and record it, you know so
you go in.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
What was the process of making that first album?
Like, um, you go, and how long?
Like, cause it's good, causeit's so different.
How, like our stories we werejust talking about it before we
started the podcast how parallelyou know, we got passed on.
I can't, I've lost count.
You know, like you said, we'regetting turned down and you're
playing the songs that becamehits and they're saying don't

(46:24):
hear a hit.
Yeah, you know, but thedifference in how the albums are
made is probably different.
So you guys go in.
How long did you take to record?
Did you record it in indifferent sections?
Did you record?

Speaker 1 (46:32):
it within.
So that was our first time welearned during the process about
budgets and things like that.
We went to NRG studios, youknow where everybody was making
records in LA at the time, andwe, you know, we were there for
like two months or like I don'tknow, six, seven weeks, right
and just you know, live down thestreet at the Oakwood
apartments and we would justshow up every day and, and you

(46:55):
know about maybe four or fivedays in we realized we had a
food budget and then we realizedwe had, then we learned we had
runners.
We were like, whoa, there'srunners here, it's like dudes in
the sprint position just readyto go get you.
So by weekend, man, we werelike vets.
We were just like, hey, man,we're going to get some Chinese
chicken salads today and we'regoing to need another handle of

(47:19):
whatever, a couple more piecesof that beer and I mean handle
of, uh, whatever.
Then you learn a couple morepieces of that beer.
And I mean we were playing.
I mean we were so ready at thatpoint we, you know 10 years and
we were so like we, werehearsed four or five nights a
week and played shows on theweekends for so long that that
we were just like dude, just cutus loose.
Tell us where you are.
I mean, where do you want us?
I'm ready, my amps are rightthere, my guitar is right here.

(47:41):
Like you, let me know when it'smy turn.
And what's your favorite songfrom that first record from
place in the sun?
Yeah, man, I mean enemy is juststill right.
It's the one you know.
It bought me a few houses and acouple of pools.
There you go, you know.

(48:05):
You know, whatever um best isyet to come.
Undone is one that I alwaysloved.
Um there.
There were some weird ones onthere, like a like a bow, like
perfect one.
You know was one that, like youknow, was a little weird for
for what it was.
You know, people know thatalbum for like a handful of
songs.
There's some.
There was some deep cuts onthere that went into our roots,
and who mixed that album?

Speaker 3 (48:23):
um it's, it's still a great sounding album.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Brian maloof mixed it and really, and he actually, uh
, we had him mix the re-recordsof it.
So now, today, when you hear myown, send me probably for like
the last 10 years, when you hearthat song on tv or in a movie
or a video game, it's ourversion oh, good move and you
can't tell the differencebecause we we ab'd it and made
sure it was like our producerjim no to it.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
Our producer, jim, just text and he said it's on a
taco bell commercial right now.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Oh, is that out I guess so you're making money
right now.
It's gonna be a good christmas,yeah, do you guys?

Speaker 5 (49:00):
own, your own publishing on it, and all of
that.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Yeah, we've sold some pieces of it.
Yeah, right, you know, but youdid at the time Franklin ain't
cheap dude yeah.

Speaker 6 (49:11):
The thing I loved about you guys the most is,
through all the years, wheny'all decided to go a
semi-different directionmusically.
You nailed it every freakingtime.
Oh man, thank you.
No, you really did, because Icouldn't wait to hear.
From this record to this recordand I'm listening to that I'm

(49:32):
going, oh my God.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
They figured these guys can do it all.
They stayed on brand, though,too.
That was the best thing.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
That's a great point.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Like that's how you I wish young artists would key in
on this more.
It's like you're going to havepeaks and valleys.
You guys had a super high peakand you know how.
That is right.
Yeah, eventually you come downa little bit and you'll have
other peaks.
But what young artists do, ornew artists and some artists
that may have quick success, iswhen that valley comes, they

(50:03):
chase what they think they needto be and just stay to your
brand states what you're good at.
And you guys have done that.
And you, you hold on to yourfans and you bring a few more in
, maybe not at the pace you didsure, hey day but, you don't you
know?

Speaker 1 (50:19):
we woke up one day and there was, you know, radio
was pretty much gone.
I mean, I say that my Own Restin the Mid gets played on the
radio more today than it didwhen it was a number one hit.
Wow, because when it was anumber one hit it was on modern
rock and active rock.
Now it's on those, but it'salso on pop, it's also on

(50:40):
classic rock, it's also on youknow, that's a good point Adult
contemporary.
So it so you know, spins wise.
It gets more spins per weektoday than it did 25 years ago,
when it came out on and it'snever it's always done this.
So it's it's wild.
It's it's wild wild, to youknow, and we're very grateful

(51:00):
again because we grew up inradio, yeah, and we all did yeah
to still be on the radio iscool because there's a lot of
you see, a lot of bands now.
it's like it's all about tiktok,it's all about social media,
it's all about and I see, youknow, I mean god bless them, you
know, but like a bands, youknow, they get them them a few

(51:22):
million streams on Spotify andthey're making plaques.
I'm like, bro, that plaquecosts more than you made.
I don't know what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Well, they do that and what I don't think people
realize.
So, yeah, I love that referenceto new band, new artists,
whatever they million streamsmillions games a week, holding
their hands, reaching out.

Speaker 7 (51:43):
It's okay, we're having a moment over here.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
There's nothing wrong with that.
It's the holidays.
I still love radio and I know,especially in country, we still
need radio is very vital Becausean artist that they're
streaming say 700,000 a week ona song.
They go out and try to sell ahard ticket not so much.

Speaker 6 (52:08):
I remember getting a call from my publisher.
I said man, your song streamed$100,000 this week and I'm going
well.
Thanks, man.
I made $23 this week, thanks.
That's where we're at assongwriters, without radio.
Yeah, that's where we're at asfar as making a living.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
But even as the artist, so that stream does not
translate to a ticket.
They don't even know what astream still means, like
business-wise, like it counts.
But if you're an artist andyou're streaming, say, in
Chicago, you're streaming200,000 a week in this market
Doesn't mean you can go to Joe'sBar in Chicago and sell 600

(52:47):
tickets.
You might sell 40.
So what does that all mean?
And that's for radio, for mestill.
It makes it concise.
You can see difference.
If you've got a top five atradio, you can see a difference
in ticket sales.
If you're playing a club ortheater, you can still see it.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
It's still important, I think so too and I have this
argument a lot with currentindustry folks when they tell
you like well, it's all aboutTikTok, Well, it's all about
this, Well, it's all about radio, won't touch you unless you're
doing this much on streaming,and it's like.
That's like telling me likewell, you can't go buy a big
screen at Best Buy untilsomebody steals the one out of

(53:30):
your living room.
It's like I don't understandthat's great, like I don't
understand it.
But again, just, I'm gratefulthat we got to at least catch
that wave.

Speaker 6 (53:46):
We are too bro yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
We are too.
We're so grateful that we wereI mean who would have thought
that you know 25 years ago, ifyou said recurrence, that was
almost like you know leftovers,it was like leftovers in the
fridge and now we live offrecurrences.
It's kind of like Jesus Christ,thank youesus.

Speaker 7 (54:04):
That's what I want to ask you about, because you're
talking about you know, uh, someof your songs getting played
more now and recurrence to youknow the people listening.
That's just older songs.
They're still bringing money,because once you get something
recorded out on the radio, it'llit's always going to bring you
some sort of money.
Some of it's really good andsome of it's not so good.
You might make eighty $80 aquarter, or $12,000 a quarter or
$20,000 a quarter, whatever.

(54:25):
And when you said you're makinggreat recurrent income, that's
what makes me envious as awriter, cause that's the stuff
like I want to write, thingsthat are that are timeless, that
you continue to get paid onyear after year and your family
gets paid on year after yearafter you're gone and stuff.
So it's really cool andencouraging you.
So it's really cool andencouraging hearing some of
those songs that are making banknow and have an impact now,
which is really cool.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
It is super cool and I sound redundant, but we don't
take it for granted and we haveso many friends that have had
hits that are still doing it.
They don't have that sort ofrecurrent love.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
I think it was just timing, I mean, mean thank god
we got in when we did.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Well, that too, but it is.
It is timing, but man.
But I think what you said isimportant.
I think it is important, Ithink radio, even though you
know, I know that when, likewhen, enemy came out, there was
like 75 alternative stations inthe country.
Now there's like 25.
Wow, you know.
So, having a number one atalternative radio, and it's hard
too, even for us, becausethey're still playing us.
It's like an end cap at agrocery store, like you know, if

(55:33):
you're Charmin, just becauseyou came out with some new
toilet paper doesn't meanthey're going to give you shelf
space.
We have a song that's taken upshelf space on the very station
and format that we're trying toget new music played on, and
they're like but we're alreadyplaying you guys as much as
you're going to get, and we'relike well, shit, but check this

(55:53):
new song, wait you hear it man,yeah the reason enemy.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
but the timing is was great, but that song would be
huge, no matter when it came out, I agree.
I agree Because, as a band orartist or writers, you pray and
hope that you could be part ofone of those.
Right, because you know how itis when you're in the middle of
it, like when Enemy hit, youngband dreams are coming true and

(56:22):
you don't have time to take itin.
No, because you're too busyenjoying what you're doing and
you're too busy.
We're the same way.
At any moment we're waiting forthe rug to be pulled out.
That is our mentality, jason'sthe same way that you said it.
Every show.
As far as we're concerned, wesay after every show that could
have been it just waiting To bepart of a song like that, though

(56:45):
it's like that's what you hopeto be able to do, and that song
it's the song.
It's like it could have cameout five years earlier or later.
It's still going to be what itis today.

Speaker 7 (56:59):
I'll tell you that right now and that's one of the
songs.
And I asked Curt curtain telly,that's one of her other
episodes, because what y'all dois is really cool out with
aldine you're playing, you're,you know, on the tour, on the
buses and all the stuff.
And I asked them one time.
I said, I said, do your kidsthink you're cool?
And you and I were talkingabout about your kid and I'd
read a little bit.
I went to a college in utah,right, and then, then they sent

(57:21):
you some.
Can you tell us about that?
He'd send some video footage atparties like 300 kids.
Tell us about that real quick.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
I remember when we first went to visit him it was
Parents and Family Weekend andhe took us to his frat house and
we went in, we met everybody,whatever, and we're walking back
out to the car and on the wayout to the car one of the kids
put like a big party speaker inthe window, just cranked it up.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
And the guys were like ah.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
And then he would send me videos of them at
parties and the DJs would put iton.
And I don't know, you know Iwasn't there, so I don't know if
he was like that's my dad, you,but the word got out and they
were like pop off that's.
Is that really your dad?
And um, he grew up like same assame as your kids.
You know he grew up on a tourbus and he grew up in backstage
at venues.

(58:11):
You know his.
You know he country stars androck stars that he calls uncle.
He doesn't know any different,you know I think about.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Look at my kids and my son's, 17 now, and you know,
17 I was playing in bar bands.
You know thinking can youimagine like being our kids and
like growing up backstage andthat's what they used to and
it's amazing, what a gift to beable to do that.

(58:42):
But can you imagine?
I mean I'm thinking to myselflike imagine being 13, 14, 15,
16, just hanging out backstage,you know?

Speaker 6 (58:51):
It's amazing.
I think his question was likedo your kids think you're cool?
I don't know if he does anymore.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
You don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Sometimes it's funny because he'll he makes fun of me
like like.
It's funny because he makes funof me like you make fun of your
dad.
I remember one time we weresitting there doing something.
I don't know if he was makingfun of something I was wearing.
You ever watch the Osbournes?
Remember when that I cuss at myfamily like that?

(59:18):
It's not for everybody.
A lot of people.
People follow me on Instagramand stuff.
They mostly follow me to seethe interactions with my wife
and we cuss at each other and wecall each other names and stuff
and it's very loving, but it'sjust and but I remember my kid
was making fun of me aboutsomething and I was just like,
oh, the I'm like.

(59:39):
Kids your age used to try todress like me.

Speaker 6 (59:44):
They wore flames and shit, they did, that's true.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
They had fuzzy dice hanging in their bedroom.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
I tell you this my son it's so funny.
Last night he made a crack likethat.
He said you know, we used totry to dress like you, not
anymore.
Ouch, I was like man, I wearblack t-shirts and jeans.
It's classic.
It's classic.
You know, but no one will makeyou feel more uncool than your
children.
Yeah, the only person I knowthat can even dent.

(01:00:14):
My confidence is my, my kids.

Speaker 6 (01:00:17):
You know how to you know how to stop that right.
You put them in a song.
I put both my girls in songs.

Speaker 7 (01:00:23):
They were hits, so now I'm cool yeah yep, then
later you got to play them at awedding it backfires, that's
right jeremy I gotta ask youthis a little bit of a turn, but
it's.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
It's really interesting and we've said this
before like you're a friend ofours, but when you start doing a
little research on your guest,you're like, oh shit, I didn't
know that.
So oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:00:50):
Right, no this is.

Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
I don't know how to label this, but so first thing
you see is Jeremy Popoff, bornSeptember 11th.
That is your birthday, yeah,but even more unique than that,
you were actually in New York oracross the river when this
event happened.
Yeah, can you tell people alittle bit about that night or

(01:01:15):
that day?

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Well, so it was my 30th birthday and also the first
night of the Atomic Tour, andit was at Birch Hill in New
Jersey.
It was the show number one ofthe Atomic Tour.

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
You're kidding, so I didn't know that part.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
And so the night before on the 10th, the label
people and just the band,everybody went.
We went out in the city and wepartied till like three, four in
the morning and went out todinner and we just went to bars
and we were, you know, tearingit up for my birthday.
And then, probably about threeo'clock in the morning I call
our tour manager, cause theywere over in Jersey, cause you

(01:01:53):
know that's where the buses andtrucks park and the hotels are
cheaper, it's easier.
Yeah of course.
You easier.
Yeah, of course you're stayingin jersey.
Yeah, and uh, I remembercalling our tour manager going,
hey, man, get us a room at the w, we're gonna stay in town
tonight.
And he's like no, dude.
He's like no, come, you alreadygot rooms over here, like
you're coming back.
And I was like man, that we'restaying at the w.

(01:02:16):
Well, anyway, we went back tojersey.
Yeah, yeah, of course you did.
And um, and I'll never forget,I was probably three hours into
my sleep and my bass playerbefore everyone had iPhones and
stuff.
He's ringing my room phone andI answer and he's like dude,
turn on the TV.
So the first plane had hit.
I was like dude, that's rightthere.

(01:02:37):
And I went open my curtains inthe room and we had a view of
the skyline and everything.
And I just remember watchingthe second plane fly in Hold on.
You actually saw that.
I saw the second plane realtime fly in.
Oh my gosh, I can't imagine that, and then my wife at the time,
my first wife was pregnant withmy son and he was born in

(01:02:58):
October.
So she was real pregnant and atthe point where she was going
to the doctor like every weekand I remember trying to call
her because our baby doctor wasin Long Beach and it's obviously
that's a big port, you know,and I just remember going.
We're under attack and they'regoing to hit Long Beach.
You're going to hit they'regoing to hit all these spots and

(01:03:19):
I and you couldn't dial outcause all the phones were jammed
and it was gnarly.
I mean it was, it was gnarly.
I remember going down the lobbyand we're at a Hilton or
something and um, and I rememberthere was just like probably
200 people in the lobby and itwas dead silent, like you could
hear a pin drop, but 200 peoplestaring at a TV like every, you

(01:03:43):
know every second of what wasunfolding.
And then meanwhile outside itwas just, I just remember, white
car after white car after whitecar, just zoom, zoom, zoom,
just all these like governmentvehicles just racing to the city
, and it was, um, I'll tell youwhat.
At the time I was really bummedabout turning 30.
And all of a sudden I was likewho gives a shit?

(01:04:08):
Yeah, like I was, just couldn'tbelieve what was happening.

Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
Yeah, it's still hard to believe, and we've we've had
this discussion before you knowafter that day what I wouldn't
do to turn 30 right now.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
By the way, you know, after that day what I wouldn't
do to turn 30 right now, by theway.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
But after that day and in the weeks following 9-11,
we've never had a country moreunited than those weeks and the
months following, and it's sadto see where we are now.
But you know, at that time thecountry was united and we we had
one.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
yeah I mean, it was 100, so did you guys did.

Speaker 5 (01:04:49):
You guys do shows after we stay on the road.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
I mean, dude, we were , it was one of our biggest
tours.
We were yeah, it was at theheight.
You know, we had production outand you know a truck and you
know big crew and um, and we hadsix weeks of shows, you know,
on the books, did you?
Cancel any shows or did youjust Just the first?
Night in New York.

Speaker 5 (01:05:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
The second night was in DC, you know also, and I
remember our bus driver at thetime was like you know, we're
not going, and I was.
And I just remember we werelike we're going, dude, you know
, if you're not going, and I was, and I just remember we were
like we're going, dude, you know, are you?
If you're not driving, we'regoing to get somebody else to
drive it, or one of us is goingto drive it, but we're going.
And we went to DC and Iremember we went on the radio

(01:05:31):
station and just said hey, youknow, we're out here.
You know we live on the otherside of the country and we're
going to.
We've got nowhere to go.
You can't fly anywhere, youcan't like, you know.
So we're going to come and playand we understand, if you can't
make the show, we'll come backand make it up, but in the
meantime, if you're, if you'recause at that point, you know,

(01:05:54):
after about 12 hours of watchingthat on the news, everybody was
ready for something else.
I remember even me, it was mybirthday and my band and crew
guys finally said dude, it'syour birthday, we got to go,
can't stand here and watch thenews all day.
We're going to go to like TGIFridays or whatever it was in
the parking lot.
And I remember we went in thereand we're like, all right,
let's just go think aboutsomething else.

(01:06:15):
And then all the TVs were on itand we're like you can't escape
it.
But, um, but we went and playedthe show and at nine 30 club in
DC and it was like it wasprobably ha, it was sold out,
but it was probably half full.
And then, um, and then we justcontinued on.
We just we just stayed outcause we had nowhere else to go
and like you said, people stillneed.

Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
they need that release.
It's like you know, We'vetalked about this before and we
were glued to the TV.
We had a session that morningof 9-11, and, of course, halfway
through it we're okay,session's over, we're just
watching this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
I can't remember who the writer was.
We were on the session for, butthe writer didn't want to stop
and I was like what do we do?
I think we're supposed to notdo the session, but I don't want
to get paid for this session.

Speaker 6 (01:07:03):
so what was amazing is how everybody, a day or two
after that, everybody was likeno, we have to continue, because
that's exactly that's exactly.
That's exactly what they want.
They want us, they want us toshut down, they want us to quit
everything we're doing, our wayof life and everything.
That was their whole intent.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
And everybody caught on to it pretty quickly and and
said no, and everybody doubleddown yeah, well, and also to
your point earlier, I rememberbeing out traveling all across
america in the weeks to follow.
I've never seen so manyamerican flags and so many

(01:07:40):
people just being good to eachother and just united.
And you know, after the shows,you know, during that tour we we
didn't disappear to thedressing rooms after the show,
like right after we got offstage.
We would usually just go rightdown into the crowd and just
start hanging and talking topeople.
And that's awesome it was.

(01:08:02):
It was the most united I thinkI've ever seen amen the country
wow, since I've been alive, wetalk about.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
You know, this comes up a lot and how united we were
and how not we are.
Now you know, and it's it'scrazy to to see how far that you
know, because it was onecountry united, it was great,
and now it's just like you know,it's different, it's different.

Speaker 5 (01:08:27):
Jeremy, we're like so over time, but I do want to ask
you this, because we talked alittle bit about it Are we over
time?

Speaker 6 (01:08:36):
No, we don't have a time limit.
That's quite quick.

Speaker 5 (01:08:38):
But we were talking about playing overseas and for
some of the troops and stuff.
And you know, I know we've beenlucky enough to do that, tully
and I, and you were saying youguys have been over and done
some of that.
Can you just talk a little bitabout that and what that kind of
meant to those guys and thenwhat it meant to you as well?

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Yeah, the first time we went out was probably 04.
And since then we've gonemultiple times.
We've been all over the world.
Um, it's pretty bad-ass tothink that we have dudes
everywhere and and and, dudesand chicks.
Um, but we've got the bestmilitary in the world and we are

(01:09:20):
everywhere and we're in placesthat people don't even know
we're at, because we've beenthere yeah exactly, and um, it's
so humbling and um, you know,because we get paid to do it.
You know that I mean, thegovernment has a budget for
entertainment for the militaryand we pay into that, so it's

(01:09:40):
not like crazy, but, um, butwhen you actually get for the
military and we pay into that,so it's not like crazy, but but
when you actually get on theground and you're actually
face-to-face, pressing, pressingthe flesh with our troops, it's
, it's unbelievable and and it'sit's such a blessing to be able
to do that, and the gratitudethat they show us for being

(01:10:03):
there is almost uncomfortable.
That's a great word for it,because we're like, dude, we're
here because we're grateful forwhat you're doing, yes, and for
you to say thank you for us tobe here, like we would be doing
this tonight anyway, somewhere.
We're thrilled to be here withy'all, and you guys are the real

(01:10:26):
rock stars.
Yeah, that's right, we're just.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
We're just holding guitars and playing right, music
like what you guys do every dayis is insane I'm not I'm not
sure exactly what shows you did,but some of the ones we've done
, you know you you're in placeswhere they're pretty remote.
They can be remote and you'realways not playing for a ton of
people.
Like you know, generally insome of those places it's a

(01:10:50):
smaller compared to what we'reused to.
Yeah, oh yeah, but the energyyou get off of that crowd a
smaller.

Speaker 5 (01:10:57):
I know it's actually life changing.
It really is, because theperspective you gain is
overwhelming.
And, like you said, tony, Ithink we were over there once
and it was either Christmas Eveor the 23rd.
Yeah, we were over there beforeChristmas and the gratitude
that these guys showed us wasand I'm glad you said that word

(01:11:19):
it was almost uncomfortablebecause it's like, bro, you're
the hero here.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
We're doing this for you, playing the bass.
Nothing compared to what.

Speaker 6 (01:11:30):
We got to give it up to Mike Sadler.
Tonight he's here, he's in theroom.
Fighter jet pilot.

Speaker 7 (01:11:36):
I'm going to call him Blaze.

Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
by the way, his new name is Blaze.

Speaker 7 (01:11:40):
Former Air Force pilot.
Thanks for your service.

Speaker 6 (01:11:42):
No, he's Navy Navy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Why would?

Speaker 7 (01:11:45):
you get that wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:11:48):
That's Wade's fault, that's Wade's text.
Anyway, blaze, god bless you.

Speaker 6 (01:11:52):
Yeah, thank you sir.
He owns Original Glory.
Started it the Berry Company,one of our sponsors.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
We got a toast for him.
You know, to what you weresaying were saying too about the
size of the crowds.
I remember one time we were,they put you up in these base
hotels and they're not.
You know, it might have used tobe a mental hospital, but now
it's where they put their guests.

(01:12:23):
That's really funny and Iremember we were playing this
huge bass.
It was a huge, you know.
It was the service members andtheir families and their kids
and everyone.
It was a big, you know fireworkshow and all this stuff that
was going to happen.
They were saying it was goingto be like 3,000 people.
So we all were out the nightbefore we're hanging out in the
you know, the bar on the basewith the you know.
We woke up in the morning andthe ships were gone and they

(01:12:49):
were literally like, okay, nowyou're going to be playing in
front of 300 wives at thewhatever small little gathering
club.
Wasn't because they all gotcalled out somewhere.
It happened while we wereasleep.

Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
While you were sleeping.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
They got a call, they hopped on the ships and they
went somewhere, wow.
And.
And it was times like thatwhere you realize like, dude,
this is crazy, yeah, like andyou're not allowed to.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
You know, you can't like post something on your
Instagram Like well, we weregoing to play in front of three,
but the boats are goingsomewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
I don't know it's cool that you would take off

Speaker 5 (01:13:26):
to the east?

Speaker 6 (01:13:26):
Yeah it was so cool that you got to witness that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
You were there when it happened.
It's unbelievable.
On a dime, everything canchange.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
That's why people that don't respect the military
and what they're doing, it'sunacceptable to us and to me.
Oh, it's like, yeah, you know,to get over there.
I mean, we're very blessed, youknow, and the play they're so
appreciative of what you'redoing.
Yeah, it's, thank you guys fordoing that.
I think too.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
They, you know, they just a taste of home.
Yeah, you know something that ataste of normalcy, a taste of
home.
You know something that a tasteof normalcy, a taste of home.
You know, when I owned my barin Orange County, we were maybe
an hour and a half North of CampPendleton.
You know, down in San Diego, ohyeah, we did.
And I put the word out to kindof, and word got out eventually.

(01:14:15):
But my whole thing was, if youcome to my bar and you're
military, first round is alwayson the house.
But if I'm there, your wholedamn check's on the house.
And so word got out.
So I'd get a lot of these kidsand I say kids because they're
kids and they would come up, youknow, and they would come up to
hang out on the weekends andhang out at my bar and I got to

(01:14:36):
be friends with a lot of them.
And I remember, and I rememberone night they were all getting
ready to ship off to Afghanistanand these were kids I got to
become close with, you know, andI just remember telling them
like, hey, when you getsomewhere where you're going,

(01:14:57):
when you're safe, and you cansend me the quadrants, let me
know, I want to send you allsomething.
And I remember taking my kidand they sent me the stuff.
We went and we bought, like youknow, cartons of cigarettes and
and beef jerky and and nuts andand candy, and chewing gum and
and and you know, and and dipand just like whatever.

(01:15:19):
And I'm thinking, oh, you knowLA Times, and like People
Magazine, just anything fromlike home, and we put together
this big giant box and it costmore to ship it than it did, you
know, buy the stuff in it.
But I remember we we dropshipped it and my kid threw a um
, he hand, wrote a letter I mean, he's five or something, five
or six and he just wrote, youknow, put their names on it and

(01:15:42):
wrote, you know, thank you guysfor what you're doing and blah,
blah, blah and put that in thereand I still keep in touch with
those guys still to this day.
And I remember one of the guyslived in Alabama and his house
caught on fire.
This is probably, maybe 10years ago and he had a house
fire and it burned probablythree quarter of his house down
when he went back and he got togo back the next day and one of

(01:16:03):
the things he found that didn'tburn was that letter from my kid
and um and he took a picture ofit and he sent it to me and he
was just like dude, you don'tknow how much this means to me.

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
I'm like dude.
You don't know how much thatmeans to me that's insane.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
More than you kept that letter, but like holy shit
wow what a story that'sunbelievable.

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
Hey, let's talk about real quick lit.
Uh, what's going on right now?
Uh, you got some new songs.
Sick of me, too, is one of thenew ones that's out.
You guys have new songs.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Uh, tell people what's happening yeah, so we got
a ton of stuff coming up in 25,new new bunch of new songs, ton
of shows and yeah, man, we'rejust going to keep doing what
we're doing.
You know we're we're very hypedabout the new tunes.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
And go hear these guys live.
Like, look at the tour schedule, I'm not kidding you, it's,
it's one of the best live bandsyou're going to hear it.
They kill it.
You need high energy, highenergy and it's.
You know we're.
I mean, we're huge fans.
I'm going, we're not, we're notfans of anybody.

(01:17:16):
That's a great point yeah, theyhate, it no no, and we no,
seriously we are, we are.
Uh, these guys are the realdeal.
We've looked up these guys andmodeled our show after watching
these guys play like it's, it's,uh.
Wow, thanks, man, it is, it ishigh energy, like high energy,
but also great band like kevinbass player, like he's badass,

(01:17:37):
like he's great, like aj andjeremy and the whole thing.
It's not that hard dude.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
It's four strings, See Kevin.

Speaker 7 (01:17:47):
Thank you, Jeremy.
That really cut to the core.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Kevin.
I'm sorry Kevin's out there.
That really hurt.

Speaker 7 (01:17:55):
On that note, everybody, we're going to sign
off.
How about some turkey andhumble pie?
This is Jeremy everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Honestly, I'm big fans of everybody here at this
table and, man, it's an honor tobe hanging with y'all.
Thank you very much.
We're so thankful for you.

Speaker 5 (01:18:14):
You're a good friend, you're a good human being.
You and your brother are greatartists.
We're thankful that you're here.
Seriously, hey, before we leave, give us a Christmas movie.
What do you watch?
Give us one Christmas moviethat you and your wife have to
watch Every Christmas day.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
we watch Four Christmases.
That's probably my favorite.
We start with ChristmasVacation.

Speaker 7 (01:18:38):
That's why we're still kind of doing stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Four Christmases you got to shut up and watch it.
And then we watch Bad Santa,Bad Santa.

Speaker 7 (01:18:49):
You've got to do it Alright.

Speaker 5 (01:18:51):
Happy holidays, Neil.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Merry, christmas Merry.

Speaker 5 (01:18:57):
Christmas you got something.

Speaker 7 (01:19:00):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
Hey, this is Try that in a Small Town Podcast.
We're thankful for JeremyPopoff being here from the
Patriot Mobile Studios.
Happy holidays, merry Christmas.

Speaker 6 (01:19:11):
Merry Christmas everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
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