Mustache and Music: The Rise of John Morgan :: Ep 60 Try That in a Small Town Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know those early stages you're like you know we
got to burn through, we got toplay as many songs as we can.
And then, because most of thetime you're getting a 25 to 45
minute set right and you're justplaying your heaters and get
out and then you get a 90, likea year ago I would have freaked
out at a 90, right.
I'm like, oh, my God, that's somuch talking, you know like, but
now it's like you just feelit's just room to breathe.

(00:23):
Now, by the time I gotconnected with you guys, it was
almost too good to be true.
If you think about it from myperspective, I'm like come on,
dog.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
All of a sudden Al Dean's calling.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
You didn't believe me .

Speaker 1 (00:35):
I don't think I did at first.
To be honest with you, mostpeople don't.
That wasn't because of you, itwas just because of the
situation.
You're just like man.
Man, I'm nervous already, youknow.
I was like don't do this to me,bro.
I cannot hit this bridge youknow, he's like I got, I got it,
you know.
So we're in the show 20, 000, 30, 000 people, however many,

(00:57):
there's a million out there andI'm playing, you know, trying to
, you know trying to just staylocked in.
And we get to the bridge andand Aldean does this number
right here and he's like he doesthe head nod to me.
I was like living all the wayup to the bridge.
I mean, I was in the zone andhe did that to me, dude, and I'm

(01:17):
like I dribbled a little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:20):
I dribbled dude.
The Try that in a Small Townpodcast begins now.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Jim, do you kind of have me.
It's really kind of fun.
I'm glad you're amused.
All right, welcome back to thevery festive Patriot Mobile
Studios.

Speaker 7 (01:44):
This is looking good.
We'll explain that in just asecond Look at the balloons.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
We got, of course, all of the usual suspects.

Speaker 7 (01:53):
We got Kalo behind this balloon, we got Thrash, we
got TK over here and we got hey,I like Kurt Fondue Myself, I do
.
I like not Kurt Mandu, I likeKurt Fondue Myself, I do.
I like not Kurt Mandu, I likeKurt Fondue.
When did you?

Speaker 3 (02:08):
come up with that.
That's pretty good.

Speaker 7 (02:09):
It's like an overflowing, never stopping,
never ending overflow ofbrilliance.
Kurt Fondue.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
I don't hate it I don't hate it and let's
introduce our guest Geez enough.
This guy is the pride of.

Speaker 7 (02:25):
I don't think Kurt's on board.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
I'm not the pride of Silva.
North Carolina, that's right,great place.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Tony and I think that he single-handedly brought back
the mustache he did, and he'sbogarted the charts for about
the last month.
He's got a couple number onesin the last month or so,
including tonight.
Yes, welcome John Morgan.
Let's got a couple number onesin the last month or so,
including tonight.
Yes, welcome, john morgan so uh, right now, today, whiskey

(02:55):
drink is the number one song Igot mine written by written by
john morgan and telly kennedytill I can't heard out.
And john edwards that's right,and cheers.
Written by John Morgan andTully Kennedy and John Edwards.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
That's right so.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
I guess we're going to toast early.
Number ones don't come alongvery often, boys.
No they don't, unless you'reJohn Morgan.

Speaker 7 (03:18):
Let's do this, cheers .

Speaker 4 (03:22):
That is good, but it is filling.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
We are not sponsored by any whiskey congrats boys.
I'm trying rats all three ofyou right now thank you uh,
should I move this number one,or do we think we should just
keep it right by me?
I?

Speaker 7 (03:34):
don't know it looks so good.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
All right, let's put it over here.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Those look pretty good uh okay so let's let's talk
a little bit about we gotwhiskey drink, but just what?
A few weeks ago, john, as anartist and a songwriter, had
friends like that number onesong yes you're on a street
gracious, he's on a tear.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
We're trying, man.
We're out here trying doing thelord's work right, hey man
don't sound so excited.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
You're doing a lot of things, right?

Speaker 1 (04:01):
yeah, you can tell I'm just coming off the road,
dude, dude, it's been great manwe've been.
I was telling y'all we've beendoing a lot of things, right?
Yeah, you can tell I'm justcoming off the road, dude, it's
been great man.
I was telling y'all we've beendoing a lot of fly dates, so
those catch up to me a littlequicker.
But yeah, man, it's been somuch fun.
I think the funnest thing forme right now is like, well, we
played Million Dollar Cowboylast week up in Jackson Hole.

(04:21):
I've never been up there.

Speaker 7 (04:23):
What's that?
What's Million Dollar Cowboy?
Is it a club, big club?

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yeah, it's a club up there in Jackson Hole Like a New
Gillies or something.
Yeah, it's Just old school kindof country, right yeah it is
yeah, it's just a little hole inthe wall, but Strippers Not at

(04:48):
a lot at our show, I don't knowbeautiful place though.
oh yeah, man, we, uh, we hadsuch a great time, dude, it was
our first sold out headliningshow ah and it was just like, I
didn't even think about it untilthey they came up and told us
right before the show and I waslike dude, it was just cool, you
know.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
So that's one of those shows and we talk about
that happening for us way backin, you know, 20 years ago.
That's funny because I wasgoing to ask you if you've had
one yet.
But that's going to be the showin 10 years you go, that's
right.

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Speaker 1 (06:48):
Cleanse your body today, dude.
I mean, there's nothing likegoing out on stage knowing that
you already sold the place out.
It was our best show to date.
I think I told the guys when wegot done.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
I was like happened, but that we had an encore as a
first encore.
Now let me ask you this howmany times?

Speaker 1 (07:08):
during the set.
Are you playing friends likethat?
Uh, right now one and a half.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
We really milked that outro we book ended the show.
Oh, hick town.
I love that.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
I mean started with it and we started with the three
and a half minute version thatyou hear on the radio.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Yeah, the radio cut, but I think the last, the ending
version of it.
That was 18 minutes because weneeded to fill time.
So you got band introductions,so don't lose the low hanging
fruit.
John's got these songs he'swritten he gets to do, he gets
to fill up the show.

Speaker 7 (07:42):
Have the show with the hits that he's written.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
That's a great point, neil.
We got three or four numberones right With Aldine just
before.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Who's counting really ?
Yeah, yeah, three to be exactbut nobody's counting.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
So you do how long is your set?
Is it an hour and a half?

Speaker 1 (07:59):
uh, I think that set was like a 90, yeah, um, so yeah
, we haven't done a whole lot ofthose either.
So that was, you know it's.
It's fun at first.
I feel like when you'rebuilding your show at those
early, you know, those earlystages, you're like, you know we
gotta burn through, we gottaplay as many songs we can.
And then, because because mostof the time you're getting a 25

(08:21):
to 45 minute set right andyou're just playing your heaters
and get out and then you get a90 like a year ago I would have
freaked out at a 90, right I'mlike, oh my god, that's so much
talking, you know like um, butnow it's like you, you just feel
it's just room to breathe.
Now, you know, you feel likeyou've got, like we've got the
songs.
We've been learning a lot ofthe new material and stuff, so

(08:41):
it's fun to just like be able toslow roll through a show.

Speaker 7 (08:45):
Yeah, you know how many shows are you doing this
year?

Speaker 1 (08:48):
this summer.
Uh, dude, we've.
I don't even know, man, I don'tI don't look past
next week, to be honest youhaven't, you haven't actually
looked at the schedule to see,not in depth.
No, uh, I, I love it.
Show up and sing freaking loveit.
You got up and sing, freakinglove it.
You got to.
Sometimes, man, I don't know,I've really enjoyed it.

(09:08):
We've definitely been busy.
It's been my busiest year yet.
I can say that for sure.
So, a lot of good things, man,a lot of good things.
This is one of them.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, dude, you're busy.
That's a good sign.
Yeah, neil, hold on, I'm goingto deflect for a second.
You got your golf garb on man.

Speaker 7 (09:24):
Oh yeah, I just got back.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
I mean, you literally just noticed the VIP above the
parkings.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Anyway, what's the handicap you?

Speaker 4 (09:35):
got to be to get that .

Speaker 7 (09:39):
No, I just came in here on two wheels.
I thought I was going to belate, but John was late, so he's
normal.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
He's like Kalo.
Now you can count on that mosttimes.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
You and Kalo.
Yeah, count on it, I'm good.

Speaker 7 (09:50):
Yeah, but I played in a golf tournament today for
Tunnel to Towers.
Oh right, yeah, nice.
Lee Greenwood was there.
He sang God Bless USA.
He sang the National Anthem.
We had a flyover from the 101stAirborne.
It was amazing.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
Did he golf too?

Speaker 8 (10:06):
No, no, he just gets it.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
He does his three and a half.

Speaker 7 (10:09):
Yeah, Lee didn't play golf.
But anyway that's why, I waslate.
I would have left earlier if ithad been something else but
Tunnels to Towers.
I had to stick around andfinish out the whole round.
How'd you shoot?
I played good today.
I've been playing good lately,guys, so I don't know if you
guys really want to.

(10:29):
You know Now.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Neil is scratch he's, you know I believe that?

Speaker 7 (10:34):
No, we're supposed to do a golf tournament.
Let's get John up to date here.
Yeah, aldine's supposed to playwith us.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Oh, wow, yeah.

Speaker 7 (10:43):
Cletus D Judd's supposed to play with us.
We're going to go at us asix-em.
They want to take me on, that'sfine.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
It's five of us against Neil, five of us, and
you know.

Speaker 7 (10:51):
I'm useless.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
No, I think you're going to bring up in threesomes,
right.

Speaker 7 (10:59):
Like two threesomes, yeah, no, I'm just saying, guys,
I'm playing really good, I gota new putter.
It's really good If y'all wantto do it, and we need to have
something on the line, but it'sgoing to be a podcast.
We're going to have cameraswith us.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
We're going to show everybody what's going on when I
slay these boys?
Maybe that's it.
My putter's broken.
I need a new putter.

Speaker 7 (11:20):
Dude Neil's got 17 putters here you know what, as
long as you look good, tully,that's all that matters.
As long as you look good, wearyour knickers.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Whatever the garb is you wear when you play golf,
wear it Irish hat and everythingthe only thing better than the
knickers is when I walk in,people are like super pumped
about my knickers and the oldladies are flipping out and then
they cause quite a stir, butthen I go tee off.

Speaker 7 (11:46):
The look of disappointment is amazing, it's
like oh shit, I know thisepisode was about John.
Morgan and it should be, andit's going to be.
Do you play golf, john, alittle bit?
Oh, he's good, oh really.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
John's an athlete.
He's good, he's a naturalathlete.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
We'll take John on our team I.
He's an athlete, he's good,he's a natural athlete.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
We'll take John on our team.
I'll slow down on the athlete.

Speaker 7 (12:05):
Do you put your hair in a ponytail when you play.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
No man.
Golf.
No, I let it.
That's my tunnel vision, man.
Oh really, no, it's part of theswing.
Yeah, I get it.
Yeah, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 7 (12:17):
I know it is, but I about that.
It's the first golf tournamentthey've had in the state of
Tennessee and I was honored tobe a part of it.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
That's very cool.
Nice work, Neil.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Anytime Lee Greenwood is there, I'm there.

Speaker 7 (12:33):
It was amazing.
It was awesome.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Okay, so we were saying John's an athlete.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
He is.
I thought we got over it.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Well, we've been out golfing actually, and, of course
, we did pickleball matches.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Well, we've had some pretty heated pickleball matches
.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
So he's a pickleballer, that is true.
Well, John's just an athlete.
But hey, let's go way back toathlete.
You played ball in school,right?
I tried.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, I tried.
Baseball is like first love Iloved baseball.
Uh, baseball is like first loveI I loved baseball.
And then when I got my freshmanyear high school, my our school
program shut down so I switchedto basketball and just kind of
fell in love with that.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
And you know there's a lot more, uh, fast pace, I
guess did google, tell me rightthat your dad switched you to be
a right hand thrower inbaseball even though you are a
lefty are you serious?

Speaker 1 (13:27):
he wanted me.
He wanted me to play short, sohe taught me how to, you know,
feel right because I know you'rea lefty.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
You do everything left, right except for throw a
baseball yeah, I do baseball.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Football is left.
Uh, basketball is left umgolf's right.
I kind of, I just, I mean,guitar is right, because that's
the guitar.

Speaker 7 (13:45):
I had to learn on.
That pisses me off, really thatreally pisses me off.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
You can do both we didn't say I could do them.
Good, I can do them both, butno, it just depends.
You know, it's just how Ilearned, whatever sport it was,
that's what I had.
Yeah, my guitar.
My uncle had a right-handedguitar, so that's why I play
guitar right-handed, justbecause that's what I had to
learn on.
You know, um, I was not smartenough to turn it upside down
and give me a handrix oranything that's what dads do,

(14:11):
though.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
Remember my son.
He did everything left-handed,and he started playing guitar,
and I said no, no, no, no, youhave to play right-handed, and
so you force that on yourchildren but, john's it's a
tough word out there for alittle piece of that your dad,
john's dad, is a warrior.
He is one of my favorite people,so when John was on the road

(14:33):
with us opening up the firsttime, a couple years ago 21, 22,
yeah.
They had this beat.
Really, what was that?
It was a little short kind ofbus you converted into it.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
It wasn't even a sprinter, it was a short bus.
It was a short bus.
It was a short bus.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
No it was more of a church bus.
Yeah, a church bus.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
It broke down.
It felt like between every showthese guys are rolling in
barely making sound check.
Well, his dad was driving, yeah, and his dad's an amazing man,
so talk about pickleball.
So every day at noon, you knowwe're out there playing
pickleball getting ready to herecomes the church bus.
You know, pearl, last minute,last minute, and his dad's been

(15:15):
driving all night pops out thatthing changes pickleball right
to the court.
No breaks, no break.
Drove all night.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Two hours of pickleball yeah and whooped ass
people yeah, I know the showyou're specifically thinking of.
It was corpus christi.
Yes, and we drove through thenight dude.
I had the last leg of that too,because I was like I was
driving and it was, I think Istarted at like five, five or
six am something like that.
So I'm like you know, drinking amonster, like just hanging in

(15:46):
there for dear life.
And we're in Corpus Christi, sothere's nothing.
You're just on this road for ahundred miles, right and dude I.
We had one turn and I blew byit.
I was.

Speaker 6 (15:58):
I was just in the zone you know and I blew by it
and there was not.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
I promise you, there was 25 miles before we could
turn around.
And I blew by it and there wasnot a.
I promise you, there was 25miles before we could turn
around.
And I'm like, dude, I've neverbeen more pissed in my life.
That was probably the mostangry I've ever been, because
I'm like you couldn't turnaround.
There was nowhere to turnaround, just a straight shot.
I'm like oh boy.
But yeah, that's when we rolledin hot and he was like let's
pickle.
I couldn't believe.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
And he's a player and his dad you can tell.
I knew right away, the minute Icould tell he played tennis.
Your dad played some serioustennis and he was laying it on.
I mean it was like, okay, well,and he's got no sleep and he's
doing this.
It's amazing yeah those were,those were great times, you know
.
Let's go back to you, know howwe met you when we met you,

(16:44):
which for us is like you know, Ican't wait for you guys to tell
it, because I'm always the onethat has to tell it so I don't
know we need your story, butwe'll fill.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
We'll fill in you like how.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
I did that.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
I guess, nice work, john.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
Nice work, thank you, but it is it's what I love
about this town and how onelittle chance meeting and how
everything gets intertwined.
Yeah, you know, god lays thingsout there.

Speaker 7 (17:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
I'll try to keep it short, but it's such a cool
story.
A friend of ours, john Edwards,who is a co-writer with us.
He sent us half a song one day.
He goes hey guys, me and me andkurt, you guys want to come in
and finish this thing with us.
And I said, well, who'd youwrite it with?
And this is well.
This guy met john morgan.
Like okay, I'll listen to it,so I'm out walking.

(17:34):
It was like what year was it?
Was it?
It was 2020 or something likethat.
So I put my phone in my ear andI listened to the song they
started.
I'm like I immediately sent itto kurt.
I was I listened to the songthey started.
I'm like I immediately sent itto Kurt.
I was like, listen to the song.
There's something here and Kurtgoes listen to the voice and
we're like who is this guy?
So I literally text JohnEdwards.

(17:56):
I said send me this guy'snumber now.
I walked back, got on my porchand I called him up.
Oh, you got it, I got it and myyou know anyone who knows me
fairly aggressive personalityevery now and then.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
Well, it's just like you get things done, that's all.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
But I tell you this though we knew there was
something here and I called John.
I'm like man, I got a vision.
You know how about you want?

Speaker 1 (18:27):
to be in a duo.
You want to be in a duo, youwant to?
Oh yeah, remember, I forgotabout that because I was like
I've had my mind set and it'sbeen telly's vision for a while
to create a duo.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
You're gonna be in a duo and it's so funny, sure
who's the other guy.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Well, it's so funny knowing each other now and how,
yeah, you know how how funnythis is now, but you know,
anyway, you know I won't boreyou with all that stuff, but we
started that process.
But you know, we started theprocess of like john's like man,
if I was gonna do a do, I'd doit with this guy.
I'm like no, no, we'll worklike that, we gotta do this, you
know.
And and then we let some time.

(19:01):
We started writing, yeah, andthat kind of let the dust settle
.
And I remember we wrote a fewsongs and they were all really
cool and he would sing them andlike man, this is great, and
kind of made some calls, andthen it, and then we finished
the original song, the firstsong that they'd sent.
We actually finished it and Ithat's when I sent it to aldine

(19:22):
I'm like man, we have got to dosomething.
And that that was in themorning, like at like 10 30 on a
sunday, and by six we hadformed what is now triple play.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah, because it was just that's I love how that
worked and triple play is thepublishing company that we have
with jason uh and nitrinerecords.
The label that jason has johnis signed to and which I get
nothing of.
But what an honor but what somepeople don't know, and we can

(20:01):
finish telling that part of thestory with the as paul harvard.
You guys don't know who, paulharvard old time radio guy come
on.
He used to say but the rest ofthe story, which is actually the
more interesting part, is howyou got to know john edwards.
And I know you're sick oftelling the story no, I'm, but
it is never incredible.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
So, yeah, foreshadow tully story yeah, so yeah, it's
fun to do duo thing I completelyforgot about.
We should revisit that, maybeat some point.

Speaker 5 (20:31):
I think it's working right now.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
What was funny, though and you may have to edit
this out, jim, I don't know, butthere's so many pieces of the
story that get forgotten.
After the whole duo thing, Icould tell like, okay, well,
he's not really into the duothing Because you told me you
weren't really into the duothing.
So I remember when we werewriting songs, I remember
telling you okay, I'm going toset up a meeting at BMG and I

(20:55):
said I'm going to meet with likeyou know whoever, and thinking
how can we get something going?
We wrote a bunch of songs andyou would call me and you were
calm and you say, man, this ismoving kind of fast.
I remember having thoseconversations and what's funny
about that is like, had we justmoved quickly for with no

(21:15):
purpose, none of this greatstuff probably would have
happened.
It took like getting the rightthing, getting jason involved,
the whole vision like really,really cool.
When you look back on it andyou know if you're like us at
all we just like full steamahead, never really stopped to
look back, but it's the wholehow it happened.
And you meeting John Edwards,yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
No, I agree, man, it's I.
You know you, I've been in afew different situations where
it felt like there was anopportunity that was going to
present itself, you know, in themusic industry, and I got
burned a couple of times.
So, you know, by the time I gotconnected with you guys, it was
almost too good to be true.
You know, if you think about itfrom my perspective, I'm like

(22:00):
come on, dog.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
All of a sudden, Al Deaton's calling.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
You didn't believe me .

Speaker 1 (22:05):
I don't think I did at first.
To be honest with you, Mostpeople don't.
That wasn't because of you.
It was just because of thesituation.
You're just like man.
But no, I don't know.
I think you're right.
It took time for us to, I think, get to know each other too.
That's the kind of you knowpeople we are in the long run,
anyway, is like you know, youget to know somebody and you

(22:29):
know, I just I didn't reallyknow I was super green when I
moved here.
You know, really green in a lotof ways and in a lot of ways
that was good, it was beneficial, I think.
In the writing sense, man, it'slike when I first started
writing, you know, with HitSongwriters which was pretty

(22:50):
early on, thanks to you guys,you know, it was just like I
could tell that what I waswriting back in North Carolina
they weren't bad ideas.
I just didn't know how to getthem there.
You know, that was the coolestthing to me.
It was like seeing somebodyturn that corner on a song and
like hook it.
I was like, wow, that's cool.
You know, that's what I want todo, and so that that was

(23:12):
honestly my whole goal in moving.
I knew if being an artist was awas going to be a thing, it
would happen or it wouldn't.
You know it would.
Either it would either happenor it wouldn't, and so, um, I
was trying to prepare for that.
But also, like, I love writingsongs, and so, um, um, you know,
before I moved to Nashville, um, you know, that's that's pretty
much what I did, me and uh, rob, my drummer, we would, you know
, get my, my dad's shop and, uh,it was funny because he had, he

(23:35):
had added on this section ofhis shop, uh, for, like his, I
guess it was his retirement planto do woodworking.
You know, he bought all thesetools, you know, moved him into
this, this section of his shop,and, you know, had a nice little
space and he was still workinghis butt off.
So, one by one, I would slowlymove each piece out and, and,
you know, just so, he wouldn'tnotice, and he obviously noticed

(23:57):
, but, uh, I was just, I wouldjust move one piece out at a
time and I eventually, like,finished, I put some flooring in
there, you know, treated it andI turned it into my music room
and so, me and Rob, would youknow, we would hang out and
write, uh, you know, ideas there, a couple, a couple of my other
buddies from back home, um, butthat's when I caught the bug.
I was like, man, this is fun,you know, you get to collab and

(24:18):
like I'd never collab withsomebody.
I was always writing ideas.
I'm by myself, you know, andit's like I would never.
I felt like I would neverfinish anything because I was
like, man, it's just, there'ssomething missing, you know.
So it was fun to catch that bug.
But yeah, to tie all that inwith meeting Edwards, I moved to
Nashville in 2020 in pursuit ofa pub deal.
I wanted to write songs and sowhen I moved here, it was

(24:42):
actually before I officiallymoved here, actually, I think it
was like 20, late 2019.
Um, and I can't.
I was making trips down to, youknow, right with with Rob and
whoever I could write with atthe time, um, playing bill court
taps every night, you know,whatever, anybody, wherever
anybody had me and, um, you know, started kind of getting
established here and, um, we,rob was like hey, man, that's

(25:05):
like you've never seen downtown.
Let's go downtown, we'll find aplace to eat or do something,
I'll show you around.
So we went, we, we call it Uberand we're, you know, riding
downtown and this guy startschatting with us, you know, and
I'm like it was a cool guy andyou know he's just a nice guy,
you know you meet him, you'relike, I like this guy and uh,
you know he starts talking aboutyou know being in town for a
while and he's just kind ofdoing that on the side and uh

(25:28):
you know, he was like he's, likeyou know, I'm, you know,
writing a few songs.
He told us some songs he hadwritten and and we were like you
know, this is awesome and so,for what you know, for whatever
reason, um, I was, you know, Iguess, just hungry or something,
but I was just like, all right,cool man, nice to meet, you see
you never.
Well, you might not havebelieved him, it's an uber
driver.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yeah, if an uber driver saying that to me, I'm
like bro, yeah, whatever man,nice to meet you yeah, yeah, I
was like cool man I appreciateit.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
Thanks for the ride, you know you know what's funny
about that with edwards andedwards?
We go so far back with edwardsover 20 years.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
I can't remember when he said he was driving Uber, so
we've known him.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
We've gotten to the day we were playing on his demos
and writing songs with him.

Speaker 7 (26:07):
Have I ever met John Edwards?

Speaker 4 (26:11):
John is like our little secret weapon and great
guy.

Speaker 7 (26:14):
Where do you keep him ?
Where is he?
We keep him in different partsof town.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
What's funny about this story?
You can't keep that mananywhere.
He's going to do what he wantsto do.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
He never told me and kurt that he was driving uber
yeah.
So when this story came out,I'm like what the hell is he
talking about?

Speaker 2 (26:30):
what.
What did they?

Speaker 4 (26:30):
concocted because john told me he met you at lucky
jeans well, this is the end ofthe story.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, you, you don't know the end of the story, but
he didn't.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
No, I I know oh, yeah , but he yeah, he met you
driving uber.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, but that was our initial, the first time we
met, right.
And so he drops me and Rob offto eat.
I don't even remember where wewent, but I was like appreciate
it, man, cool, good to meet you,you know, didn't think anything
of it, went about my way, wentto eat, you know, I think so
yeah, that was late 2019.
So when I officially moved ayear later fast forward a year

(27:05):
from that I moved to town at2020.
I had a part-time gig workingat Lucky Brand Jeans over at
Opry Mills.

Speaker 7 (27:12):
If you can imagine that I would have bought some
jeans for you, yeah, you wouldno doubt.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
You and your mask.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
No, I don't think John was wearing a mask.
I was definitely not in a mask.
Well, you might not haverecognized me.
I was a young lad back then.
But no man, I was working.
Typically, I was stockingshelves.
When they gave me the job, theywere like, yeah, you'll just be
in the back stocking shelves.
I'm like, perfect, give me someheadphones, I'll be good, I'll
get you dialed, and so, butthey're, they got shorthanded.

(27:47):
We had a few people leave andso they end, I ended up, you
know, working the floor.
And so, um, you like how I saidthat, uh, yeah, I was working
the floor and uh, you know this,this dude walks in one day and
I'm like, man, I know this guy,you know, I just recognized his
face.
So I went up to him, startedtalking and it was Edwards.

(28:09):
It was my Uber driver from ayear earlier and he was just in
there shopping.
I guess I don't know what hewas, who knows with him, but we
kind of reconnected and he waslike, man, what are you doing?
I'm like, well, uh, I, I was inthe floor.

(28:29):
Yeah, yeah, he's like you know,but I sent him some, some demos
that I've been working on.
Just, I had a little setup inmy bedroom over in wedgewood and
um, I sent him a few songs I'dbeen writing and just you know
demos I'd done.
And um, he actually you knowEvers, well he, he left the
store.

(28:49):
I was like cool, got his number, sent him some songs, went back
to work.
He left.
About an hour later he texts mewhat time you get off, and I'm
like I think I was closing thatnight.
I was like I'm, I'm late man,like I'll be here till midnight
or whatever.
He was like cool, I'll be back,I'll come, I'll come meet you
whenever you close.
So shows back up after I getoff and we start hanging out.

(29:13):
The weirdest part of it was thatrob, my drummer, was he?
He randomly, I hadn't textedhim all day he showed up at opry
mills and came in the storeright after Edwards had left.
So, edwards comes, I meet himagain.
You know, rekindle thatfriendship.
He leaves, rob comes in rightafter.
I didn't know, I had no idea hewas in the mall.

(29:33):
He was like hey man, what's up?
I just figured I'd pop in sinceyou were working.
So anyway, long story short, weall meet back up.
I was like dude, you'll neverbelieve who I ran into.
Know, I text him, and so we allmeet back up, edward shows us
some stuff, um at his studiothat you know he'd been working
on, and we just kind of chillfor a little while and and hang
out, become, you know, a littlemore acquainted with each other

(29:55):
and um, yeah, it was likeprobably the next week he was
like man, I'd love to, you know,try to write something.
And that's when we wrote, um,over you, over me, I believe,
was yeah, it was funny becausehe never, ever told me.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
I thought he goes.
I said would you meet this guy?
That day?
When I called you, he said Imet him at look I.
He never told me anything aboutdriving uber and at all so that
when that story came, I waslike what is it?
Are they making this whole?

Speaker 1 (30:20):
thing up.
Yeah, it's just all for the allfor the headlines no, it's,
it's awesome.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
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It is incredibly wild andactually we got to tell some
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Speaker 8 (32:14):
Yeah, whiskey drink.
I know it's been a while andgotta talk to you.
Gotta catch you up on the hill.
I'm in right now.
Yeah, whiskey drink Now.
You won't believe the things Isaid.
The way she left, the way theleaving all went down.

(32:35):
It might take all night get heroff my mind.
I need you one more time.
Yeah, be a good friend.
Come, come on, kick in whiskeydrinks.
I don't wanna think.
Think, think About who she'swith or where she is.

(32:55):
How about I mess her now?
Come on cigarette.
Yeah, smoke out that regret.
Pour it straight and strong,make her memory gone Before you
let me leave.
Come on, whiskey drink.
Come on, whiskey drink you wantthe second one or no.

(33:19):
Woo, you can go.
Yeah, tell me, jack, tell methat you got my back, that you
ran it with me till the bottle'sempty, just like you always
have.
Come on, help me out, just giveme a bye.
I'd rather be hungover thancold sober, still hung up on

(33:43):
goodbye.
So come on whiskey drink.
I don't wanna think, thinkthink About who she's with or
where she is or how bad I missher now.
Come on cigarette.
Yeah, smoke out that regret.
Pour straight and strong, makea memory gone Before you let me

(34:07):
leave.
Come on whiskey drink.
Come on, whiskey drink.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
I forgot the bridge.
Oh yeah, here we go.
It might take all night.

Speaker 8 (34:22):
To get her off my mind.
I need you one more time.
Well, come on whiskey drink.
I don't wanna think, think,think About who she's with or
where she is or how bad I missher now.
Come on cigarette, yeah.

(34:45):
Smoke out that regret Numberone Right now.
Come on whiskey drink.

(35:08):
Be a good friend.
Be a good friend, be a goodfriend.
Whiskey drink, yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Nice, you wanted the verse Of course you got the
whole thing.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
How could you possibly stop Number one right
now, this week that's?

Speaker 5 (35:28):
more chords man.
Neil, that was impressive.
Hey, how could you possiblystop Number one right now?
This week.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
That's four chords, man, neil, that was impressive.

Speaker 8 (35:33):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
The number one song in the nation.

Speaker 7 (35:36):
That's right, so y'all got to give us a story in
a little bit right In the world.

Speaker 8 (35:39):
I'm not selfish In the country world I like
everybody's music.

Speaker 7 (35:46):
I remember listening.
I remember the first timebecause when I flip through my
phone and listen to new artistsdo stuff you know, whenever they
post things on Instagram orTikTok or whatever.
I remember the first time thatI came across John Morgan and
I'm going, because normally Idon't listen to the whole thing
I'm like next.

Speaker 8 (36:06):
And I'm like flip next flip next.

Speaker 7 (36:09):
My thumb's good at, I'm like next and I'm like flip
next.

Speaker 8 (36:10):
Skip, skip my thumb's good at that Flip next.

Speaker 7 (36:12):
But when John comes up, I'm like oh God, and I'm
like boom, and I'll watch thefull story or whatever.
I'm like this dude's solid.
This dude's like no really.
It's like I listen to the wholething and I was like I'm a fan,
I'm a huge fan thank you.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Well, you are both.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Thank you, yeah yeah, I mean this is you know, I feel
like that end of the tale mightjust explode yeah, talking
about a duo.
Um, yeah, yeah neil's done thatonce he has very famous, once
keyword, it once thrash yourshadow.

Speaker 7 (36:50):
It led me into writing songs dude, you know
what's funny?

Speaker 1 (36:55):
one of the first times we wrote, I remember like
I I don't.
I think it was over zoom, Ithink it was during cobia and
all that, where I don't evenremember who it was with um, did
neil have a?

Speaker 4 (37:05):
mask on negative.

Speaker 7 (37:07):
He knows, I didn't have a mask, maybe a hockey mask
.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
He did leave at one point during the zoom for about
25 minutes and it made me wonderif I was still like on the chat
or if I guess I booted off orsomething I was just like.
I don't, I don't know that's onyou yeah, I, I figured it was
nothing against you.
Dude, I get out.
Yeah, that was a weird time.

Speaker 7 (37:32):
I got to move, I got to walk around.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
I'm going to say it right.

Speaker 7 (37:35):
When I write.
I got to get up and move.
Yeah, if you don't see me onthe screen, I'm just walking
around, I'm putting or whatever.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
I knew that it was just funny, because I'm like I
don't want to, because I didn'twant to leave.
So I'm like as soon as I leavehe'll come back.
You know I'll be like no, itwas fun.
But I remember getting the demoback and I can't remember.
I know freight train was onewhere I was like yeah freight
train was one.
Why, why are you singing thathigh?
I'm like, how do you even therange?

(38:06):
It blew my mind Cause I'm likeI'm even trying to sing like a
low third to it.
You know like I'm like tryingto sing a low third.
I'm like there's no way.
Like yeah, that was stupid,yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
I tell you what I love about writing.
When, Neil, you'll sit thereand you sit in your right and
there's lots of time he getsquiet, which I'm completely Kalo
knows.
Just ask Kalo when he does thiswhen he looks at you and he'll
go.
He'll say something.
He'll be like what?

Speaker 7 (38:35):
What is that?
That's what you do.
What's the point?
What is?

Speaker 5 (38:38):
that I don't point at people.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
No, you don't.

Speaker 7 (38:43):
But then what's the point?
What's the hand?
What is that?
That, but then?
But then, what's the hand.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
What is that?
That's what I see.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
What You're me.
It's a compliment.
It means you're about to spewbrilliance, don't?

Speaker 1 (38:56):
interrupt me, I love seeing the hand, because it's
like this you want to see thehand, but in the moment it's
abrasive.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Shortly after that this thread of melody and some
great stuff comes out and you'relike, oh yeah.
That's why you get the hand.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
Yeah, and the hand it signals.
No matter what you're going tosay, I've got something better.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
That's the signal and we all just wait for it.
So we're all wrong.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
So then we start checking email catching up on
text and stuff and just wait.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
We're waiting for it, so we're all wrong.
So then we start checking email, catching up on text and stuff.
Like I said, we're waiting forthe hand.

Speaker 7 (39:32):
They're making me sound like an ass.
No, no, no, a total ass.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
You're a genius.
We're kind of kidding.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
This is what I love when I see this.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
And sometimes there'll be a there's that.

Speaker 7 (39:46):
When I play golf with guys, they there's that.
When I play golf with guys,they say that after I hit a good
shot, I do this little danceand I'm going.
What are you talking?

Speaker 3 (39:54):
about what is a dance you?

Speaker 7 (39:54):
don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
No, I have no idea what they're talking about.
Like I do this little step.

Speaker 7 (39:58):
When I hit one perfect Like a shimmy.
You do a little shimmy.

Speaker 5 (40:01):
Wade, you know what it is.
We'll make sure Jim willcapture it.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
It's, it's just shimmy and I'm like what?

Speaker 7 (40:05):
are you talking?
I do a shimmy.
What do you mean?
I gotta see that on tape.
What are you talking about?
I don't do a shimmy wait, whatis it wade?

Speaker 1 (40:14):
what's the correct term here?

Speaker 7 (40:17):
like a like a little like, a little two-step or
whatever.
Like, oh, like I'm a littletwo-step and go like I just hit
that I hit it perfect.
I'm going back to the car.
Good Good luck, or whatever,and I'm like what I do that.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
That's so bad.
I got to work on it.
I'm sorry.
I want to apologize.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
Don't apologize for it.

Speaker 7 (40:33):
That's amazing I don't want to put the hand up to
anyone.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
The two-step feels like an off-the-tee move to me.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
You just hit an absolute bomb down the middle
two-step back to bend down andpick your tiger spinning the the
.
Yeah, yeah, it's equivalent.
Yes, it spins a club.
Yeah, I don't want to.
I don't know, john, what wasthe first cut that we got
together?
Was it if I didn't love you?

Speaker 1 (40:56):
it was.
Yeah, that was the first oneever, yeah well, the first, it
wasn't the first one we wrote,it was the first one.
Get recorded, okay, yeah, yeah,that was.
It was my first cut man, so atwhat point do you go?

Speaker 3 (41:09):
I mean, this is your first cut is like do you go?
Do you realize the magnitude ofwhat that cut is and means?

Speaker 4 (41:16):
no, yeah, we tried to tell him.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
He still didn't grab you a thousand percent tried to
tell me um no, I, I didn'trealize, I didn't know it would
be a career-changing song.
You know what I mean?
Because that's the song.
It's like you were saying, evenin my set.
I've got that in my back pocketAnytime I can pull that out.
People are seeing that one back.

Speaker 7 (41:39):
Do you tell the people that you wrote these
songs when you do those?

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Yeah, usually, you know, like in our show it has
been, I try to break it downlike kind of towards the middle
of our set.
I'll break it down and do someacoustic, do some covers, do
some old rock songs, and then,you know, do If I Didn't Love
you, and I usually kind of tell,you know that bit what I said
earlier.
Like you know, I moved to townto write songs and this was,

(42:07):
this was one of the ones thatchanged my life, changed my
career.
Truthfully, um, you know, eventhough I didn't in the moment
know it, but you know now,looking back, it was definitely,
you know, a pivotal moment andalso just ammo and, like I said,
in my back pocket, for when Iam out there and nobody knows
who the hell I am, you know Iplay that.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
They're like oh, they can associate something you
know, you ever tell them thestory about how it came up.
That was an evening, a nightright there, because it was a
very panicky time.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
You get to tell the text, bro.
That's my favorite.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
Again.
Long story, but the short of itis we were under the gun to try
to come up with something, orwe were going to get beat or
something.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
You guys were a day or two out from finishing the
record.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
We were two days out or something.
You guys were a day or two outfrom finishing the record.

Speaker 7 (42:49):
We were like two days out or so Did y'all know it was
going to be a duo record, no Aduet.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
We knew.
So here's the story Go ahead.
We had written a song that wasgoing to be a duet and then the
person that Jason wanted to doit with said, no, they don't
want to do it.
And then that sparked a wholething of like, ooh, let's do a
duet with a different song.
And we didn't have a differentsong.
So, it said everyone in townwas writing duets all of a

(43:15):
sudden.
So you guys know how small thistown is in.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Nashville the Bulletin is out, Aldine's
looking for a duet song.
So for three days everybody'swriting what?

Speaker 4 (43:24):
could be a duet.
We went from having the duetsong to no longer having it to
everyone in town wanting towrite it, and I'll never forget
it.
It was COVID and we played ashow at Bonnaroo and Jason's
manager was there and he's likedo you guys have any other songs
for duets?
I'm like Clarence, no, and wewent home, got back from

(43:46):
Bonnaroo and I was laying in bedthe next night and I said I am
very upset.
So I texted John and LydiaVaughn and who we've been
writing a lot with at that point.
These two and I just texted abunch of like little did you get
a text?
I knew that was coming, I knowwait, this is kind of pre-you.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
He actually waited longer than I thought he would.

Speaker 7 (44:13):
This is kind of pre-Calo, though really I didn't
know, you guys, it wasn'tpre-Ne-Lo, that's true.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Pre-Ne-Lo, but I texted a bunch of little sirens
and an ambulance.
The ambulance emojis is whatgot me man.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
I was like all right, so we should write tomorrow
night and it's a night time andyou know it's like we had we
were doing a vocal that day,producing, and it was like hey
look, if we don't get somethingby seven o'clock, we'll just
call it.
Yeah, we went in there to ourlittle shack and wrote if, if I
don't love you and I lovetelling that story, because you
never know when you're going towrite that- we did the track

(44:54):
that night saying that night.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
We sent it off the next day Patrick.
Patrick mixed it.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
That's how it happens .
That's how it happens, I'll doit.
And I said, yes, we got to cutthis Yep Nice we.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Yes, we got to cut this.

Speaker 7 (45:05):
Yep, nice, we have to lick our wounds, caleb, that's
how it happens, but you're rightthat is how it happens, and
timing is everything.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
No doubt, and we just got blessed that day.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
I'll say this too, man, you guys will agree with me
, I know.
Had Lydia Vaughn not been inthe room, that song never would
have happened.
Not a chance.
She not really.
She's detailed, I think you hadthe title.
But having that viewpoint andthat approach, you know just her
another side of it.
You know that that was a gamechanger, I think, for like

(45:39):
really fast tracking, because Imean, I don't, I don't remember
the last time we've written asong in a couple hours.
You know what I mean.
Usually it's, it's we chip awayat it and make sure it's good.
But that one, I think justhaving her keeping the wheels
rolling, man, it was, it was agame she sang the girl part on
the demo and carrie

Speaker 3 (45:58):
pretty much copped her part except for the high
deal at the end.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Yeah, I mean yeah it is well, especially the second,
the second verse, because youknow having the female
perspective yeah of okay, wherewe go, what what?

Speaker 1 (46:12):
you know what's a girl thing we think, we know
yeah, listen, I know this is aquestion we haven't already have
an answer to, but we reiterate,you know I remember, I remember
I remember texting aldine uh,we finished that I said we just
wrote it.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
We wrote it.
Yeah, I knew it.
Yeah.
The weird thing was, though,when we tracked it, we didn't
have anyone to do it.
There was no partner, there wasno duet partner, so we just
tracked it, bare bones, yeah.
And remember, aldine goesClarence, I want to get Kerry on
this and he's like glad you gothim and it happened, yeah yeah

(46:50):
fun story yeah yeah you know,wow, yeah, it was definitely fun
for me.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Thank you, guys.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
I saw a picture of the night you were and I took it
in the shack.
I mean you were singing thedemo in our little shack.
Of you singing it, it felt like, yeah, the Shaq Gosh.
Everybody got sick after theyleft the Shaq, but it's okay.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Everybody should have worn your mask.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
You guys would have loved the Shaq man.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
There were a few people who did.

Speaker 7 (47:17):
I'm glad I missed the Shaq.
You would have loved itactually.
Well.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
John, let's talk about your first number one.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
You had several number ones, but your first
number one is an artist.
Yeah, friends like that, totell a story about that a little
bit, please.
Yeah, it's another kind ofsituation.
I just I feel like I've been sofortunate man and just timing
it's like you guys were talkingabout timing does go a long way
and I feel like, um, you know, I, I, I wrote with a couple of
buddies of mine Brent Anderson,will Bundy and Lydia Vaughn and

(47:53):
I just remember you know thatsong when we wrote it, it wasn't
I didn't think it would be agame changer, I didn't think it
would be what it was.
It was just a song that we, Iwrite with those guys a lot.
So sometimes you get in a roomand you don't necessarily nobody
has an idea they've beensitting on right, and you just
kind of, you know, try to comeup with something together, and
that's kind of what happened.

(48:14):
And, if I remember right, wewere kind of on a different vibe
.
We started writing it more likeheartfelt, I guess, and it was
just like it was too muchbecause the lyric's depressing
already, you know.
So you can't have the music bedepressing too.
Um, so we, we kind of got averse course down.
I think we, we kind of shiftedgears and tried to put, like you

(48:35):
know, more lighthearted chordsunderneath of it, to to lighten
it up, and I don't know, I justremember writing it and be like
man, this is fun, this would besick in our live show, like you
know, I loved it.
I was out the gate, I wanted tocut it, um, but I just didn't.
I never thought it would be theone you know to put me on the
map, so to say.
And, um, you know, I justremember, um, we had I guess it

(48:58):
was, I guess friends, we put itout, I put it out by myself, and
it was out to streaming to thestreaming world.
Uh, maybe four or five months,I think at the time.
And, uh, we'd all been talkingabout, you know, writing
something.
Aldina had texted me and saidhey, man, at some point I'd love
to do some kind of collab, youknow, and I didn't.
I didn't really know what thatmeant, but I was like cool you

(49:21):
know, yeah, sure, yeah, you justsend me a two makes and I'll
throw a vocal on it, butno, he was like, yeah, I'd love
to do something.
So you know, I think there weresome that we wrote that I that
I was like man, this would becool or this would be cool.
And I think you know it justfrom what I remember, like the
timing of it when he texted methere was a couple months, I

(49:43):
think, passed after that andfriends just started raising its
hand on the string and you know, in the streaming world, and I
remember we were playing a showout in uh, out in minnesota, and
I remember kind of waking up,like you know, getting ready for
sound check, you know, at 1, at1 pm, uh, and you know I'm like
checking my phone, I lookedcheck spotify and just had

(50:05):
overnight, for whatever reason,a ton of organic streams hit
friends and it just kind of itwent from, like you know, 10 K
to like a hundred K or somethingcrazy like that, and so I was
just like man, that's crazy.
And so, um, long story short, Iended up, I think, somebody I
can't remember whose idea itactually was, but somebody hit
me up about hey, would you beinterested in, you know, doing a

(50:28):
collab?
Doing a collab, um, you know, Ifeel like it might have been
somebody from the label was likethis might be a good idea and I
, I hit jason up and was justlike, hey, man, like you know, I
know we were talking about, youknow, trying to find something.
I was like this, this song'skind of raising its hand right
now, and it was funny becauseit's talking about friends.
This is, you know, the subject,the song, and you know I felt

(50:49):
like it fit both of our worlds,sonically too a little bit.
It kind of touched in bothlanes with, you know, just a
driving song.
So he was all about it and Itwisted his arm a little bit but
I didn't have to do too much.

Speaker 7 (51:03):
Thankfully, he was like yeah, let's do it, so it
kind of worked out, man it foryou.
He was like yeah, let's do it,so it kind of worked out, it was
perfect, it was such a goodsong too.

Speaker 5 (51:10):
Yeah, thanks, man.
It was great.
It's a cool video.
I kind of refreshed on it today.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
And yeah, it was really cool.

Speaker 5 (51:16):
Brent Anderson's, a mutual friend.

Speaker 7 (51:18):
I've written a lot with him.
I just love him.
Yeah, he's a freak of andeverything yeah, just a great
guy.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
I'm glad yeah because he produced.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
Uh, I mean your album just dropped, right?

Speaker 1 (51:29):
yeah, a bit ago.

Speaker 5 (51:31):
Uh, carolina blue.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Yeah, yeah, it's been out a month or so I guess now,
and it's been fun.
Man, I just, you know, Ithere's a couple different
things I could.
I could say, you know, touch on, but I am super grateful, you
know, to have a label that evenyou know lets me have any kind
of say on the creative side ofthings, because you know to have
a label that even you know letsme have any kind of say on the
creative side of things, becauseyou know they could most most

(51:53):
don't from what I understand,and so it's, that was a lot of
fun.
You know to have, uh, you know,a lot of input just being on
the ground floor of buildingthese tracks, and you know,
that's that's when I, when I gotfound, when these guys found me
, it was like, you know, that'swhat I was doing.
Anyway, I was in producer mode.
You know I was about to sign atrack guy deal with you know

(52:16):
another company and it was justlike that's where Tully comes in
.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
People don't realize, though.
John is like uber talented.
He's not.
You know, he's a a great singer.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
But he's a great guitar player.

Speaker 7 (52:29):
I know he's a great producer in his own right.
Yeah, what do you like more?
You like writing more orperforming more?

Speaker 1 (52:36):
man, right now it's I was gonna throw that question
on you, I know but but you'llget this though you'll get this.
I'm in the sweet spot right nowin my career where you're doing
both.
I'm doing everything, man, Iman.
I get to create.
I get to bring an idea, a babyidea, to life in a writing room
with you know some of the bestin the world, and then I get to

(52:58):
go in the studio, bring it tolife, you know, do whatever it
is I do on it.
And then you get to go out andplay it live, and you know, and
even with friends, you hearpeople singing it back.

Speaker 7 (53:07):
It's cool.
There's a fan base out therefor you that wants to hear you
sing yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
I hope so, no.

Speaker 7 (53:14):
No, no, there is.
There is because you sell itand you're really good and I'm a
huge fan of your voice.
Thank you, man.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
That means a lot coming from you.
I just love doing it, man.
I that means a lot coming fromyou.
I just love doing it, man.
I love anything.
My goal was to make a livingdoing music, whatever way that
was.
I knew production, doing tracks, whatever it may be.
Writing would get my foot inthe door with better writers If
I was doing a track.
At the end of the day, if Icould sing it, if I could play

(53:44):
the instrument, you're going toget in better rooms that was a
good piece of advice, I was toldearly on.
And in better rooms.
You know, that was a good, goodpiece of advice.
I was told early on and so Ijust went all in on it and uh,
you know, thankfully these guysfound me before I got locked
into a 10-year production deal.

Speaker 5 (53:56):
Yeah, yeah, you fell into it, fell into a great group
, you know for sure.
But you'd mentioned the track,I think, which is kind of
interesting because I think youand I'd written maybe twice, but
the first time we wrote is withJesse Alexander.
You know amazingly talented,you know incredible and
everything.
And so we're coming in there,we're writing with you.
That was the first time I'd metyou, but, but, but you were the

(54:16):
, you were the track guy, youwere the singer and we used your
idea and you already hadsomething going.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
I'm like and he played guitar all the time.
This is fantastic, yeah.
So anyway, yeah, it's just partof I don't know man I, I don't
think I could write with.
I mean now I feel moreconfident in writing, without
having a crutch or like needinga guitar or whatever.
I feel like I can hang.
But yeah, it's, it's.
I definitely feel like I get mybest stuff when I am at least

(54:43):
on guitar and, you know, justnoodling around, because I feel
like I sing, like I play guitar.
So sometimes that hearing,hearing a few notes that I
wouldn't normally hear, you know, without a guitar, kind of
makes me think differently,melodically, sometimes it just
takes you in a differentdirection.
So, I don't know man, I, I, Ijust love doing it.

(55:06):
That's the bottom line.

Speaker 7 (55:07):
What did Al Dean think of you covering the truth
like you do?

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Dude, you know what?

Speaker 7 (55:15):
I'm like the first time I heard you do the truth I
was like, oh shit, they need toput that out.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Yeah, man Him and.

Speaker 7 (55:22):
Al Dean need to put that out again.
And this is a.
I'm going to give Brett Jamessome love here.
That is one of my favoritesongs.
It's a great song.
It's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Top three for me, man , we didn't even do it in our
set for a couple of years andthen John was opening for us and
we were talking about bringingJohn up and like, hey, what do
you want to do?
And you're the one that broughtup that song, right, yeah?

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Jason was like hey man, you know, he's never given
me a run through of my life.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
He's just like yeah you're good.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah, we got it.
We got it.
I'm like cool, yeah, 20,000people.
Cool, I'm there, but no, he waslike, yeah, I want you to come
up and do one with us.
And he was like what would youwant to do if we brought you out
?
And I was like, well, you don'teven have my favorite song on
the set right now.
I was just kind of joking.
He's like what is it?
I was like the truth.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
He's like all right.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
So of course they just pull it.
You know, I don't remember thelast time you guys have probably
played it, but played it to therecord.
To the freaking note, down tothe downbeat, and you do it so
good.
Well, dude, you know what'sfunny is that was speaking of
your range.
That was one of those songsthat I've heard a million times,

(56:35):
right, and I sing every damnword of it in the truck.
You know I'm ripping right.
And then it comes down to youto sing the bridge by yourself
and you realize how freakinghigh that song is.
Yeah, you don't.
Freaking high that song is.
Yeah, you don't.
For me, and I remember tellinghim like because I think we had

(56:55):
a couple run throughs with itwas like the first night of tour
, I think we were out, and andhe and I, I remember telling him
you guys remember this too Iwas like dude, I cannot hit that
bridge, you gotta sing thebridge and and and I was like I
can't hit it, man, I just youknow I was, I'm nervous already.
You know I was like don't dothis to me, bro, I cannot hit
this bridge, you know he's likeI got, I got it, you know.

(57:16):
So we're in the show and Iremember this vividly.
Dude, this is like a stark,like piss yourself moment.
And we're in the middle of theshow 20, 000, 30, 000 people,
however many there's a millionout there, and I'm playing, you
know, trying to, you know tryingto just stay locked in, and we
get to the bridge and aldinedoes this number right here and

(57:38):
he's like he does the head nodto me I was like living all the
way up to the bridge.
Yeah, I mean, I was feeling Iwas in the zone, you know, and
he did that to me, dude, and I'mnot.
I dribbled a little bit.
I dribbled, dude it free, andand, and, as he did, the head
nod and he went right into it,right into the mic.
So it was just a split secondof like, like just straight

(58:01):
terror you know, there's no wayI'm hitting that dude.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
It happens to all trust me, you know it was a
great happy accident.
It was.
You remember, a couple yearsago, the label we needed some
content right and we had to.
They said shocker, yeah, theyneeded content and we're like
well, let's just do this.
Remember we said let's all justset up some amps and go to a
you know rehearsal space andjust play some music.

(58:26):
Yeah, and they're like tryingto.
Of course, what labels do?
They're trying to recreate thereinvent the wheel.
You know we're like look, we'retaking some road cases, some
amps, some we're gonna sit down.
Here's a bunch of guitars,little smoke two lights anyway,
we did the truth like who's rearview?
Uh, a handful trouble.

(58:47):
The heartbreak, yeah, a coupleothers, and it's one of the
coolest things on youtube.
They're all there, yeah, andthe truth like lit up yeah, like
that version of the truth, andit's just so good, it's just
five guys sitting around.

Speaker 7 (59:01):
Yeah, playing and singing it's like a guns and
roses video.
It's really fantastic.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
It's one of the and we literally went in there one
day and did it, and it's one ofthe, and we literally went in
there one day and did it andit's like, of course, we didn't
rehearse for it.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
I was gonna say did you guys get a run through?
no that was another time whereI'm like, oh boy, no, we just
literally show up.
You know, not not a single runthrough like I've played.
I played, the truth, you know,in the live full band setting,
whatever.
Not a single run through.
I think we might have hit itonce or twice before we went,

(59:32):
but yeah, not singing right, notsinging it down.
And we get up there and they'relike all right, we're rolling.
I'm like all right, I hope I'mstill singing the second verse,
because I didn't even ask.
But here we go.
But, dude, it's so much fun,it's fun to do that every once
in a while.
Just get up there and see whathappens you know yeah, you've
got that thing.

Speaker 7 (59:51):
It's like when somebody calls on you and you're
not expecting it, yeah.
It's like just clench your buttcheeks together and go yeah,
all right, it's, I'm on, let'sgo.
Yeah, and you deliver.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
yeah, every time yeah , well, somebody gives.
Yeah, somebody gives me a job,my I gotta I gotta go.

Speaker 7 (01:00:11):
It's time to go.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Yeah, I'm on yeah, I would have definitely drilled
that bridge to the wall but wedid every night in that tour and
it was, yeah, you know it's, uh, one of my, yeah, one of my
favorite tour memories just todate.
Man, just so much fun gettingto get up there, especially with
you guys too.
You know that makes it evenfunner when you know I get to

(01:00:32):
get out there and, you know,just just just enjoy the moment.
You know, because after afterthe nerves kind of where I got
nervous every time we did it,but you know, you get through a
verse and you're like all right,this is fun.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Yeah, right, it's so cool.
You know, I know toly, and Isay this all the time and we
talk about this.
It's amazing that we get to dothis for a living anyway, but
when you get to deal with peopleyou love, it's that much better
.
Yeah, and you know, we've beenwent through a lot with john and
then to have him up there onstage with us, it was a very

(01:01:04):
cool moment every night.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
Yeah, it's really awesome yeah I think, people.
You know it's hard to realizeas fans, like all the space in
between these big events.
Yeah, all this, you know,meeting you and then writing the
songs and then getting you tocome out on tour and getting
friends, like that, like all thethings that go on in between
those big moments.
Yeah, you know that I likelooking back on now.

(01:01:27):
Yeah, it's, it's fun, it's it'syou get caught in the hamster
wheel and you, it's hard to like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
I'm trying to get better at looking back at those
things you know, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
But.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
But it's important to like even these times with the
band, when you're right now,when you're, you know, all
together and yeah, but you lookback on this and those will be
the best time I know, man, Iknow I, I've, you and you've,
you've, you've told me that, um,specifically, a few other times
, and I think it was one of thetimes you told me really hit
home because I'm like dude, Igotta, I gotta remember to enjoy
this while it's happening.

(01:02:03):
You know, like, because you knowyou get in the Sprinter van,
you know you crawl into,whatever it is anything but a
Prevost.
And you know, and you're justlike man.
Like you know, there aremoments where you're like God,
dude, this sucks.
Like you're 12 hours into an18-hour trip.
You know, and you're like.

(01:02:27):
I cannot see any more of newupstate New York, Like I can't.
It just doesn't end, you know,and you get in those, you hit.
You hit those moments, but youknow, I, I feel like those are
like you said, those are therubber meets the road moments
where you're like, is thisreally for me or not?
You know, do I love this?
Do I like being out here enoughto do this?
Because if you do, then youknow, more power to you, and
that's where I've been, man,I've been, you know, in that

(01:02:49):
grind season.
I'm just like I got to get it.
Now, this wave only comes onetime, you know it only comes one
time.
You miss it, it's gone, itdon't come back or you're not,
you're not the new kid on theblock twice.
So I've just been trying to,you know, keep my nose to the
grindstone and really take everyopportunity, you know, and try
to enjoy the moment, because itis hard sometimes.

(01:03:12):
I've got all my.
I mean you guys know this too.
It's like all the guys that areon the road with me are all my
best friends too.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
So it's like that makes that it fun but also even
more challenging, because you'relike always, there's always
drama, there's always somethinggoing down, there's all, and
you're like come on, boys, like,and a lot of responsibility and
people don't realize that.
I mean you're responsible forthese guys having work and yeah
that all is all on you that'strue.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
That's a tough thing, that's true yeah, yeah, god.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
God has called you to be a lot of things, and in this
business is one.
But before we leave, I want tosay this too because you're such
a good human being you werealso born to be a dad.
Yeah, and you're put on thisearth to be a dad, and he is
three times over now in the last, you have three quick, oh bro,
three kids under the age ofthree.

(01:04:01):
Is that right three?
And under?
Dude, I don't.
Is that right Three?

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
and under Dude.
I don't waste.
My days off are well accountedfor Well accounted for yeah 303.
It's a lot, man, but same thingIf I didn't love it.
I love being a dad.
There's nothing more fulfillingthan that, I don't think,
especially when you do, when youdo have the opportunity to do

(01:04:25):
what you love and still havethat at home, like, I don't know
how I looked into that, but youknow it's.
That's where I'm at right nowand that's why when I do get
tired, I'm like dude.
No, I have nothing to complainabout.
You know, I have everything.
You know that that I couldpossibly have ever dreamed of,
and on both ends of it.
And so you know it definitelymakes it, you know, challenging.

(01:04:45):
Like I said, trying to bepresent.
I think that's the key I'velearned, and you guys, you know,
from many years of being on theroad.
It's like you don't have tonecessarily be at everything,
but when you are there, you gotto be there.
You know've.
I've tried to, like, you know,really cut down on phone time,
anything that's distracting mefrom like being present, you

(01:05:08):
know, because they're gonna.
They're not gonna remember thetimes that I'm out playing shows
, but they're gonna remember thetimes I'm there.
Was I paying attention?
You know, like, those are thethings I try to try to remember.
But, dude, it's hard, man, it'shard to, you know, get off.
When you are in grind season too, you're like, always trying to
like.
You know you're always chattingwith somebody, you're always on
the phone and you're trying to.
You know work angles orwhatever it may be, and so, uh,

(01:05:32):
I don't know man, it's, it's alot of fun.
I'm so thankful for, for thatpiece of it too, cause it's
definitely, uh, kept me sane onthe road and and some ways, um,
but you know it's, it'sdefinitely been like, you know,
a big driving.
I've never had more to work forin my life.
So it's, it's a lot of fun.

(01:05:54):
I told them they gotta book mesome more shows because I cannot
afford any more days off yougot your head on straight bro
yeah, thanks man absolutelyyou're approaching it the right
way.
Well, like I said, man, I, Ithink, truthfully, I think, when
it comes down to it, I, I wouldbe happy doing whatever,
whatever you know worked out.

(01:06:14):
If I'm writing songs for thenext 10, 15, 20 years, that'd be
great.
If I'm on the road, that'd begreat I'm, I'm on the road,
that'd be great I'm.
I'm in that spot where I'm likeI'm, I'm putting a hundred
percent in every, every lane andwhichever one you know, like
you said, god has for me and,you know, wants me to take.
That's, that's kind of.
I'm just trying to, trying tochase it all right now and see

(01:06:36):
which, uh, which, which one'sdead end and which ones don't
you know.
So it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 5 (01:06:41):
Well, you're doing an amazing job at it and, uh, and
you're one of the only artistsactually that as succeeding as
an artist and still having hitsnot just cuts on other artists,
but but number one hits.
And so let's kind of end wherewe started, with whiskey drink
being the number one song in thenation right now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
You want us to play it again.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
Play it one more time .
But but, uh, you know a lot ofthings but, besides it being a
great song and a great artist, alot of timing and you know
record labels, time andpromotion, all that stuff to,
you know, to a little bit ofluck sometimes, and hard work to
get to number one.
There's a lot you know a lot ofdifference between number two
and number one you know Fingersand a Plaque is one of them, but

(01:07:25):
number one is really cool.
So, for all the long bus ridesand all the stuff and a lot of
songs that don't get recorded.
number one feels amazing andwe'll just start.
Let's start with Tully, thenwe'll go to Kurt.
I want to congratulate you wehave to congratulate the three

(01:07:46):
of you guys, we want tosupremely congratulate you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Jesus.
Very nice Caleb.

Speaker 5 (01:07:49):
Absolutely.
It's huge and it feelsimpossible, but when it happens
it's just an amazing feeling.
I just want to know.

Speaker 7 (01:07:57):
Live it up.

Speaker 5 (01:07:57):
Tully, what are you feeling right now about having
the number one song in thenation?

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
Whiskey Drink by Jason Aldean and go Well.
I mean, I think what I'mlearning and trying to be better
at is really appreciating themoment instead of worrying so
much about trying to do it again.
Yeah, you know which?
is hard because it's like yousaid you have family's
responsibilities and you want tokeep things going well, yeah,
but I got to stop and enjoy it.
Yeah, to keep things going well, yeah, but I gotta stop and
enjoy it.

(01:08:22):
Yeah, you know which is tryingto get better at, but you know
my ocd and my I'm just some well, we're wired, we're wired.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
The same.
In that sense, man, I'm likealways what's next?
What's next you know what?
How are we gonna follow it upand you, yeah, you gotta you
gotta enjoy it.

Speaker 7 (01:08:37):
Yeah, there's a fine line between getting um greedy
and enjoying the moment.
Yeah, there's a fine line rightthere.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
But do people like 100 us, if you're driven and
you're competitive and you havethat in you, do any of us
actually enjoy the moment andthis is sad to say but you just
probably don't um because we do.

Speaker 7 (01:08:59):
But when you say the word moment, it is a moment.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
But I'm telling you, we're talking about it right now
.
We had a shot, but I'm honestlyprobably not celebrating it
Like I should.

Speaker 7 (01:09:11):
Yeah, I'm well, you're driven and that's, but we
all are, yeah, that's, that'sthe key word we're.
We're driven, and it was like,thank you, Now what's next?

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
I'm pretty stressed out actually about what's next.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
I'm going to go, you know what You're right.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
I'm really not enjoying it.
I'm trying to lie for thepodcast sake, but I'm really
amped up about what's coming.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
I'm very stressed.

Speaker 7 (01:09:36):
Never mind, I'm really not enjoying it at all If
you stop for two seconds andthink about the percentage.
Yeah, that's true.
And how blessed and fortunateyou are.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
You are right, I know you're right.

Speaker 7 (01:09:52):
It really is.
I mean you have to stop forlike.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
I know you're right.

Speaker 7 (01:09:57):
And not just for right now, but even tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
You know what dude?
This is straight up, man.
I feel like I've celebratedthese riding successes,
especially Whiskey Drink man.
I feel like I celebrated itearly just out of pure schedule.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Not because of the number, but just because I I
mean, dude, I have a song on thecharts, yeah that by itself.
That's right.
Top 10, top five.
It's hard to do that's right,just and and so, from you know,
doing like I said, I've beendoing a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:10:35):
It was hard to get you here.
Yeah, a lot of isolated time.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Yeah, southwest doesn't always have wi-fi, so a
lot of times I'm sitting therelike twiddling my thumbs, you
know, thinking about stuff, butyeah, I feel like I was just
like man, you know I did.
I was able to do that withfriends and whiskey drink, and
then when it actually happened,I was already like not past it,
but, like you know, I wasalready in appreciation mode.
Like you know, it wasn't likewow, it hit me all at once.

(01:11:01):
You know, I think that's,that's the thing for me.
I've just, I've justappreciated, you know, being in
the game, because it is hard,it's very.
The percentages are very low,yes, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
So, yeah, it's, it is , it's a lot of fun, but I agree
with you, it's hard toappreciate it all at once in the
moment you know, I think it's astage of life too, you know, if
you you know, I got son goingto college and daughter's good,
so it's like, okay, there's alot going on a lot going on, so
it's like I need what's next.
This is great and that's very.

(01:11:31):
You're right.
It's not a great way to think.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
I'm very stressed out , yeah it's gonna be what it is
guys, I'm not gonna get lessstressed, so well, that's.

Speaker 5 (01:11:41):
That's really good.
I think we we need Kurt toenjoy it a little more.
I want Kurt to enjoy it alittle more, yeah, my wife would
tell you the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Kurt, fondue, kurt fondue.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Now you just pissed him off.
I actually love it.
He's not about it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Neil, I actually love that.
I think it's fantastic.
It's pretty good Now he's on.

Speaker 5 (01:12:00):
Fondue.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
I don't have anything else.
We better end this.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
All right, we've got to let John get going.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
All right.
John, actually off to rehearsalWe've kept you too late.
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
No, they need this.
They need this.
Let's see what they do by thetime I get there.

Speaker 7 (01:12:17):
No, John, you need this.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
Thanks, need this thanks, neil.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
You know what you're right.
I do, you do.
I do need this, you need this.
We're very appreciative of john.
He's a you know, he is ourfriend, but he is a solid human
being.
We're proud to know you.
We're proud that you came hereand spent your time, very busy
time, with us, yeah thank you,buddy, thank you guys, man.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
This has been one of the fun ones.
You know, a lot of times younever know what you're getting,
by the way you're all over thepodcast world.
I'm seeing you everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Yeah, I wish you would have saved it all for us,
Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
I would have Trust me , it would have been my choice.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
I would have not.
No, seeing all of that stuffyeah uh, we want to thank john.
We want to thank our sponsors.
Uh, we got who?
All we got?
Let's remind me, we got thewellness company.

Speaker 7 (01:13:06):
We're working with them.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Patriot mobile, the og beer wellness company it's uh
, everybody we've been, so yeah,e-spaces it's been really dot
com.
That's pretty so good thank you, these are the Patriot Mobile
Studios.
Or this is the Patriot MobileStudios.
We've got our balloonssomewhere.

Speaker 7 (01:13:28):
We're going to get back in.
We'll get those back.
Congrats on the number one boys.
Thanks, john Morgan.
Thank you, buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Thanks for having me, man.
Small Town Podcast.
Yeah, man, thank you, brother,make sure to.

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