Navigating Life's Passes: Brett Favre on Football, Faith, and Political Beliefs :: Ep 40 Try That In a Small Town Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
One of the people that did embrace you was Deion
Sanders, who was a superstar atthat time.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
He may have been at the top of the superstar status
because he was playing baseball.
And I tell people this all thetime, right at the end of
practice, a helicopter wouldcome land on the practice field.
Deion would jump on thehelicopter and by the time I got
home, after I showered andwatched film, I'd watch him

(00:27):
steal second base.
That's amazing.
I mean some of these dips, someof the things that they believe
I'm sorry, but some of thethings that they believe is okay
is is not okay I'm sorry and Imean and I think people like
maybe there was there's probablya lot of people that said I'm
not voting for Trump.
When they went in there to votethey were like I'm voting for.

(00:49):
Trump, absolutely, I thinkthere was a lot of that.
We're going in the wrongdirection.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Did you go to Minnesota to stick it to him so
you could play him twice a year?
I got to know that and thenalso go to the end of the year
where the bounty gate thinghappens and could you feel
during that game that it wassomething different, that they
were coming after you in adifferent way?

Speaker 3 (01:12):
yeah, I'll start with the lab the try that in a small
town podcast begins now allright, y'all welcome back.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
This is the Try that in a Small Town podcast we got
TK K-Lo Thrash on the end.
I'm Kurt.
We're from the Patriot MobileStudios man.
We have got an awesome, awesomeguest today.
He is a three-time league MVP,hall of Fame Super Bowl winning
quarterback, brett Favre,southern Miss.

(01:50):
Thanks for being here, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, thanks for having me, Thanks for that
wonderful introduction.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I know it should be nice to be brought on like that
man.
We appreciate you, dude, and weknow it's in the middle of
football season.
We got playoffs going, there'sa lot of fun happening, a lot of
games happening.
Uh, this will air in a coupledays.
So do you have any favorites inthe nfl?
Right now, any teams I know thepackers are eliminated.

(02:16):
But uh, who are you looking at?

Speaker 2 (02:21):
um well, the packers and the Vikings, for obvious
reasons, play for both.
We'll see what happens, but youknow, honestly, I don't watch a
lot of football, believe it ornot?
Really, I really don't.
I used to watch more college ifI did watch, but I watched a

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little bit of the playoffs, thecollege playoffs, but like
regular season, you know, likeanytime during the day I'm
outside I'm doing something, soI never come in and like just
get in a recliner and watch forthree hours.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
Yeah, he's kind of like us man we don't listen to
music.
I don't listen to a lot ofmusic.
That's an interesting parallel.
Yeah, we never listen.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Seriously, we don't listen to music.
I don't listen to a lot ofmusic.
That's an interesting parallel.
Yeah, we never listen.
Seriously, we don't listen tomusic on our off time.
It's like the last thing wewant to do.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Absolutely, absolutely.
And when I left football Iactually coached high school for
two years my first two yearsout and I had a blast.
It was sort of a favor to thehead coach here at the local
high school.
I really enjoyed it.

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But after the second year I waslike I think I'm just going to
enjoy my free time.
That's what I've been doing.
I will watch, as I said, thecollege playoffs, nfl playoffs.
I'll watch a little bit.
Very rarely do I ever catch awhole game and I never go like

(03:55):
to a stadium to watch.
That would be asking a littletoo much.

Speaker 7 (04:02):
Well, ann, you wouldn't be able to watch it
anyway.
You'd be in a box and everybodywould be talking to you,
correct?
You wouldn't be able to watchit anyway.
You'd be in a box and everybodybe talking to you and, correct?

Speaker 5 (04:07):
you wouldn't get to see anything are you down in
hattiesburg right now?
I am, I am yeah I just climbedout of a tree and left that
whole world down.
There I was.
I was hunting like in a treeacross the river from natchez,
mississippi I was.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I were you at around, glasscock?

Speaker 5 (04:27):
No, have you ever heard of Rifle Point?
It's right next to Giles Island.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
I know it very well.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
Yeah, that's where I've been for the last week and
I left here.
Beautiful place.
Yeah, it's going that wholeworld.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
And I know you guys will know the Buzzbus family
Matt, brian.
I was at their place Friday,saturday and yesterday morning
and then drove home yesterday.
So we probably crossed pathssomewhere around Natchez.

Speaker 5 (04:55):
Probably did.
I got home about an hour ago,yep.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well, the big question is what'd you get?

Speaker 5 (05:03):
I didn't.
I passed a lot offour-year-olds the whole time I
was down there.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
So it was one of those trips.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
I've killed a bunch of big stuff down there, lots of
big stuff down there.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
That area's known for big deer Vicksburg.
They got really good deerAnywhere on the river.
It's good hunting.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
And if anybody's never been to that part of the
world, like you know, you huntthe Midwest and you hunt.
I'm from Alabama, but stillsouthern Mississippi, and
anything on the river is magical.
Anything on the river, it'sjust beautiful.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Well, I was in your state Tuesday and Wednesday I
was hunting in Demopolis.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Yeah, the rut's going hard.
I left the rut to come talk toyou tonight.
Do you believe in that?

Speaker 2 (05:44):
the rut's going hard.
I left the rut to come talk toyou tonight.
Do you believe in that?

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Well, you're absolutely out of your mind.
Yeah, we all know that Iwouldn't do it.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
Well for you guys.
I would hey Brett, obviously sogreat having you on and, you
know, huge football fan, hugefan of like yours, like watching
you play the way you played thegame, the toughness you brought
, played every game, played her.
I mean the quarterback position.
You know it's changed so muchsince you've, you know, been out

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of the game and I wanted to getyour thoughts.
Is there a quarterback that youwatch today that you're like?
You know that reminds me of me.
You know that's how I wouldplay the game.
Is it like a Josh Allen or isit, you know, like one of those
guys that you're liking to watch?

Speaker 2 (06:31):
play.
Yeah, I think Josh Allen andPatrick Mahomes have a little
bit of me, or I have a littlebit of them, however you want to
say it.
And then there's another guythat I think, in regards to
leadership and kind of his spunk, I relate a lot to, and that's

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Baker Mayfield.
Yeah, I watched a little bitlast night.
I was pulling for him.
What a tough joker man.
He played his ass off.
He played his ass off.
You know they had a littlehiccup there towards the end and
I think it cost them on a snapcount.
But those three probably arethe most similar to my play.

Speaker 6 (07:15):
Yeah, and it's amazing, you know, when you
played, I mean the hits that youtook and the way the
quarterbacks in that era thequarterback wasn't as protected,
obviously.
No.
It's so different watchingthese guys play.
Now.
What's your thoughts on that?
It seems like it's going in theright direction.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
but you guys, I mean you took some massive hits, late
hits there was, I mean, I'veseen hits you've taken way after
the whistle and on thesidelines, and just you know
I'll be honest with you, at thetime I sort of relished, you
know I can't say relished thehit itself, but just kind of the

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fact that I could get back upand talk a little trash and kind
of burst their bubble a littlebit.
At 55, I think a little bitdifferently.
Maybe playing the role of JohnWayne was not very good for
long-term physical, but you knowit's a different game, there's

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no question about it.
I can't say that I like it, butI think they're going in the
right direction of protectingplayers With the quarterback.
It's almost too protective.
Sometimes they call a rough andpasser passer and the guy just
falls down and I don't like that.

(08:48):
I don't like that.
And I think you know the cheaphits, the late hits, need to be
removed from the game.
But the clean hits that youknow.
Quarterback, I get it.
You know they want pointsscored, they want to see their

(09:08):
guy out there on the field, sothey're going to protect him.
I wish they had thought aboutthat a little bit back when I
was playing.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Because I want to protect myself you know, that's
the thing.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
I didn't have the restraint to slide.
I just felt like what a selloutif I did that.

Speaker 6 (09:27):
How many of those times I mean you know were you
really hurt, maybe you had aconcussion, maybe and how many
times did you go back in whenyou thought you had a concussion
?
Who knows, I mean a lot ofthose players back then you'd go
back in you know, the protocolswere in place.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Probably believe what my last two and I played 20
years my last two years is whenthey really took a closer look
at concussions.
Prior to that you got aconcussion and say you went to
the coach and said, look, I'm alittle woozy, I think I'm going
to sit out Now.
I would never do that, but thecoach would kick me right in the

(10:06):
ass if I had done that.
Right, you know how dare youcome out because your bell got
rung?
Well, now we know that.
You know getting your bell rungcan be serious down the road.
Yeah, I was diagnosed roughly ayear ago with Parkinson's.

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And one of the first questions Iasked the doctor was where do
you think I got it?
And he said well, if it's nothereditary, and he said that's
the first place we look Dad,grandpa, uncle, someone in the
family.
I don't have any history, hesaid.
The obvious answer would befootball.
Now it is what it is.

(10:52):
There's no going back.
You can't turn back the time.
So it kind of puts things alittle more in perspective as I
look back at my career.
Would I have done itdifferently?
Hard to say.
My personality was that toughman, get up no matter what, get

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back in the huddle, go on to thenext play mentality.
And I just find it hard tobelieve that if I were able to
go back, that I would be able tochange that.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Wow, hey, and it's probably a good time to segue
into that.
So last year you were theexecutive producer on a movie
Concussed, and it tells thestory of Tyler Sash, which I
didn't know that before Iwatched the movie.
And it was interesting becauseI actually knew his story.
I'm from Iowa.
My parents grew up right nextto where he's from, in Oskaloosa

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, iowa.
He went to the University ofIowa, all of that.
So I was somewhat familiar withthis story not into the
in-depth version that you guystold it, but you know, just
talking about all theconcussions and stuff, was that,
you know?
Did you feel compelled that youneeded to tell a story and what
drew you to Tyler's story inparticular?

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Well, the other guy that was involved in producing
David Cano really did all theleg work and brought that story
to light and I just kind offollowed in with him.
I was not familiar with Tyler,even though I played against him
one time, so I was not familiarwith the story.

(12:30):
But you know, when I startedkind of diving into it, how sad
you know what a sad story he was, mr Everything in Iowa as you
know.
Yeah, and our goal was not topick on the NFL or Pee Wee

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football or junior high or highschool.
It was to just shed the lighton how serious this issue is.
I have three grandsons theoldest is 14, 11, and 8.
The three of them, they allplay soccer.
None of them play football.
If they would come to me andsay, paul, paul, we want to play

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football, I would support them,but I am not going to go out of
my way to encourage them toplay unless they want to play,
because of the fear, first ofall, the expectations that they
would be under to be like yourgrandpa and secondly, most
importantly, I would cringeevery time they got tackled,
just knowing what I know nowabout the physicality of

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football.

Speaker 7 (13:36):
It would take the enjoyment out of watching them
play.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Absolutely, absolutely.
I personally.
We have two girls that aregrown so I never had to worry
about it.
They played volleyball orbasketball or soccer.
But I would certainly be.
Every time they got tackled ortheir head hit the turf I would
be wondering did they have aconcussion?

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Which is why I've been anadvocate for youth flag football
and I call a lot of grief forthat because of the way I play.
But there's no reason forjunior, high and elementary kids
to tackle.
Their brains are not developed.
They're not knocking coaches,but they're not teaching proper

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technique.
The kids are leading with thehead and most concussions.
I think people are a little bitsurprised by this, but most
concussions occur notnecessarily from head to head,
although some do.
It's head hitting the turf, thewhiplash effect.
All the concussions I had waswhen I hit the turf and my head

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slammed back against the.
You know whether it be grass orastroturf or a frozen field,
that's where the concussionsoccurred.
So that's the thing that I'vetried to tell people.
The NFL's done a lot to protectplayers, but the whiplash
effect, falling to the turfthere's nothing you can do for

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that.
The helmet does not protectthem.

Speaker 7 (15:12):
Yeah, because your head stops, but your brain
doesn't.
Everything else in your body isstill moving that direction.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
I've told that story.
I don't know if you saw themovie Concussion with Will Smith
many years ago.
I'll be honest with you, as Iwatched it I didn't know a lot
of the I knew, like Mike Websterthey talked about.
He was like the first one thatDr Amalu did an autopsy on and

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found CTE.
He coined the phrase CTE.
I was not familiar with thatstory, dave Doerson they talked
about him, that great ChicagoBear defensive back who wrote a
note, killed himself and wrote anote to be sure and test my

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brain for something.
Wrote a note to be sure andtest my brain for some something
.
He didn't know what you knowcause.
Cte was just just beingdiscovered.
So that that was really thefirst time I walked out of there
and I was like damn, you know.
And I was probably a yearremoved from playing and I have

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to be honest with you, the bigpart of me, probably, like all
of us, thinks that we're goingto be bulletproof forever.
But there was a small part of meas I walked out of there going
what does the future hold for menow?
Little did I know I'd bediagnosed with Parkinson's and
whether or not it's related tofootball more than likely it is,
I got it and more than likelyit's a result of, you know,

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playing 20 years in high schooland college and so on and so
forth.
So, dr Amalu, I had aconversation with him, believe
it or not, on a conference call,and he said that same exact
thing that the head stops butthe brain continues to go.
And that's the problem.

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The helmet does not, does notstop the brain when the, when
the head stops, the braincontinues to move and that's
where the concussion occurs.
The bruising, basicallybruising of the brain, is the
definition of concussion, moreor less.
So you can have the besthelmets in the world, but you're
not going to stop that whiplasheffect.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
Brett, what was your first sign that something was
going on, like your first redflag?

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, good question, and that's probably the question
I get the most about and that'sprobably the question I get the
most about.
Two and a half years agoRoughly, I was outside doing
something you are, we needmowing grass, whatever and I
happen to notice a walkingthrough the house.

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My arm was at a 90 degree, thatwasn't frozen, but I just was
kind of walking like this, myleft arm, I was swinging it just
like normal and I was like whatthe hell?
I put my arm down, went aboutmy way, swung the arm and, lo
and behold, a little while laterit was right back there.
So that was the first thing.

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Shortly after that and I tellpeople this story, sometimes we
get a chuckle out of it I'mbrushing my teeth and I'm
looking in the mirror, just likewe've all done for years, and I
didn't realize you turned atoothbrush in your hand.
So you know, do one of these.
Well, when I would turn thetoothbrush, I would use my left

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hand and I thought what in thehell?
That's kind of weird.
And I thought what in the hell?
That's kind of weird.
And then the third thing was ifI wore a long-sleeve shirt or a
jacket long-sleeve jacket, huntjacket, blue jean jacket,
whatever.
I could not guide my armthrough the sleeve.
I could feel my arm.

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It wasn't like I didn't haveany feeling.
I could not guide it throughthat hole and that went on for
probably a year, year and a half, before I finally reached out
to one of my buddies here, oneof the doctors, and said I think
I need to be checked out, andhe actually asked me, much like

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yourself, what's going on.
I told him and he said I wantto see you tomorrow morning, but
it sounds like Parkinson's.
And I was like you can tellfrom that.
Well, one of the calling cardswith Parkinson's is something to
do with the gait, the walk, andusually it has something to do
with the arm not swinging or ata fixed position.

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When I take the medicine that99% of the people with
Parkinson's takes, the genericname is Sinemet, but it's
Carbidopa, Levodopa.
When I take the medicine everyfour hours, my arm swing is fine
.
If I if I, you know forget totake the medicine for whatever

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reason and I'm an hour over, Inotice my arm is right back to,
stuck in a 90-degree position.
I'm like, oh, it's time for mymedicine, but I'm very early.
The good news is, I'm veryearly in the disease, and I say
good news because there's alwaysand I'm sure Michael J Fox,

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who's made it famous, has saidthis for 30, some odd years
there'll be a cure next year orfive years, and then you hope
that that's the case.
And if that's the case, then, myprogression will stop right
where I am, and that's early inthe disease.
If you're late stage, there'sall kinds of problems.

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I mean uncontrollable shakingand tremors, permanent rigidity
and stiffness, but all thatright now is at a milder level.
But the medication that I takedoes nothing to slow the
progression.
It just treats the symptoms forthose few hours.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
Yeah, it's amazing.
My uncle was diagnosed withParkinson's about 12 years ago
now and he's 74 now and, likeyou, he stays active and diet,
and it's amazing.
And, like yourself, he's spenta lot of his life like staying

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in shape and you know it's, it'sreally helped him like the
physical part of you know how,how in shape he was for most of
his life.
But the diet and the exerciseand staying active has really uh
, with that, with the medicineand all the current treatments,
he's great, like he's in, likehe's mid seventies now and he's
had it, you know, going on 15years, I think actually.

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So it's, you know, veryencouraging.
Like you said, they're always.
The medicines are gettingbetter and better and you know
it's, it's, it's well you know.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
You're absolutely 100% correct.
Every I've seen five differentspecials, some on recommendation
, like you gotta go see this guy.
So I've gone to see thesepeople and they all say the same
thing what you're doing is thebest thing and hope for a cure

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in the coming years, but diet,exercise are like paramount it's
everything.

Speaker 6 (22:32):
yeah, absolutely it's .
It's actually the doctor saidlike I think his last uh visit
was a month ago and he's likedon't change a thing, you know,
keep walking to do your push-ups, do do you know?
He does a lot.
He does a lot of voice lessons,keeping all the vocal cords
strong, keeping just regiment.

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He treats it like that, like ajob, and he's been great and
anyway, all the best, I meanbecause it's come a long way.

Speaker 5 (23:03):
Can you still pull your bow back?

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Oh, I can, yeah, I can miss too.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
No, can't we all?
All you got to do, brother, iskeep walking the woods and keep
walking that river.
That's all you got to do.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Well, I try to stay as active as I possibly can.
My thing is biking.
My wife got me a bike aboutfive years before I retired and
she was like doing tries andiron men and all that stuff.
And she got me a bike and itsat in the garage for probably
10 years.
I was like why in the hellwould I ever get?

Speaker 7 (23:39):
my bike.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
And once she finally convinced me to start doing it
and I kind of got over that asspain which you got to kind of
leather your ass a little bitbefore you you get comfortable.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Nothing about the seat is comfortable.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
I don't care what you say, but I'm like anywhere from
120 to 150 miles a week outsideor inside, depending on weather
.

Speaker 7 (24:03):
Wow, I do the, the mountain biking also, like the
going down.
No, no, I don't need any help.
That stuff freaks me out alittle bit To feel it.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
You can crash on any bike.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
You're begging for another concussion, but a
mountain bike is just asking fortrouble.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, and do you wear the biking clothes to real
tight, are you one?

Speaker 3 (24:21):
of those guys.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Well, I'll tell you a funny story.
So the first time my wifetalked me into going for a ride
again, the bike had sat therefor 10 years, I mean.
The tires were dry, rotted anddidn't have a mile on them.
So pumped the tires up and Isaid I'm not wearing the biking
shorts.
Forget it.
She said I'm telling you,you're going to regret that I'm

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like I ain't wearing those downbiking shorts.

Speaker 7 (24:47):
Looks like you're smuggling grapes.
I'm Brett Favre.
I'm not going to do it.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
So I didn't do it.
Five miles into the ride I wasdying, just absolutely dying.
I was so raw I said, okay, youwin, I'll wear the biking shorts
.
And it made a world ofdifference.

Speaker 5 (25:08):
I don't care how I look, it's okay, jim, we gotta,
we gotta find a picture thereactually is a purpose, then to
the bike shorts that's.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
I didn't know that yeah, well I learned the hard
way.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
I can tell you that yeah.

Speaker 7 (25:24):
Well, I mean, uh, when talking about the adversity
and the Parkinson's and stuff,uh I mean, I spent a lot of time
since I knew that we're you'reblessed enough to have you come
on the show and everything andand spend a lot of time just
just watching just some oldgames and um and and and just
your the adversity you wentthrough.
On a personal level Also, youwent through a lot even in
college, like before your senioryear you had the, you had the

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wreck and then you've had a lotof haters over the years.
You broke every kind of recordthat there was.
Your wife had cancer, I think,your brother-in-law had an ATV
accident and having Parkinson's.
My question to you is I knowyou'll get through anything,

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cause you always have, and I'vebeen watching it for a week you
know, uh, what do you?
What do you lean?
What do you lean on?
How do you get through all thatstuff?
And it's always been the samething.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well, we got good support, family, but our faith,
you know, we uh.
I can remember as if it wereyesterday, when my wife she was
33.
She was at the best shape ofher life, she was doing tris
Ironman and she said I'm goingto the doctor.
Tuesday was our off day and shewent to her mother-in-law my

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mother-in-law was staying withus and those two went down to
Milwaukee for what I thought wasa routine doctor's appointment.
And when she came back I saidhow'd it go?
And I had no clue that she hada lump on her breast.
And she said well, I got breastcancer.

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And I was like, oh, come onreally.
And that was on a Tuesday.
I'd actually went in and workedout and watched some film and
she got back late that afternoon.
And I remember what day it wasbecause Wednesday, the following
day, her brother was killed onan ATV on our property and I'm

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like what a double whammy, youknow.
I mean how bad can it get?
So and I'll never forget, wewere playing Tennessee on Sunday
night football that week and Icouldn't tell you what I had for
breakfast, but I remember thatweek very well.
But we lean on our faith and youknow I'm no different than

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anybody else.
I slip and fall and get back onthe horse again and hit the
prayers and hit the good book.
But there's been a lot ofthings that, as you said, you
pointed them all out that couldhave easily made me throw in the

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towel All different times in mycareer.
And you know and I said this inthe Hall of Fame speech, you
know, without Jesus Christthere's no question I would have
never been in front of thatcrowd and speaking May not have
been alive, to be quite honestwith you.
So I'm very blessed andthankful that he's taking care

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of it.

Speaker 7 (28:33):
Well yeah, we're thankful too.
And one thing's for sure, youknow, in talking about the
concussions and stuff like that,you know we didn't used to wear
seatbelts.
I mean, you know, when peopledrive cars my dad would come out
of cars.
So so you live and learn andyou improve.
Like, yeah, we, we used to usedto sleep in the in the back
back of the amani car, up in theback window, but as kids.

(28:57):
But because I trust my dad,he's not gonna wreck us, you
know.
But but you know you live andlearn and and and all those
things.
But, uh, but you've kind of.
You know one thing's for sureto me, and just just watching
your game and these guys we alltalked about it, I know you're
such a, I don't know.
You're a superhero to us and tothe world and one of the best

(29:18):
QBs ever to exist and you weremeant to play football.
There's no doubt.
If you ever think back like,hey, should I have done this?
I wish I wouldn't.
I 100%.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
God wired you to play football.
No question, I tell people mydad was really.
His expertise was baseball andhe played both.
But I had two goals I had toplay pro football or pro
baseball and I didn't have.

(29:50):
You know, it wasn't like I hopeit's this one.
Whichever one offered me theopportunity, I was going to take
it and there was no plan C, sothank God I didn't have to.
I went to school to be ateacher and a coach.
Thank God for those students.

Speaker 6 (30:07):
I didn't have to be a teacher.
Now your dad.
I heard a great interview andyou were talking about your dad
and how he liked to give youtips after the game.
You know, or like tell you whatyou didn't do, and you're like
Dad, you never threw a football.
What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (30:23):
I remember when I was coaching high school at Oak
Grove High School they ran likeeveryone else, spread offense,
quarterbacks and shotgun.
That was sort of I did a littleshotgun the latter part of my
career, but not huddling uplooking to the sidelines getting
to play.
I was really the one who had tokind of relearn the offense.

(30:43):
But I remember talking to theguys one day out on the field,
the offensive guys, and I saidback when my dad was my coach
and we ran the wishbone, andthey kind of looked at me funny.
I said how many of you knowwhat the wishbone is?
One guy raised his hand.
His answer was like I thinkit's like you hand off all the

(31:07):
time.
I was like, yeah, all the time.
Most of the throws that I threwwere a busted run play and I
had linemen 20 yards down thefield.
In fact I threw a two-pointconversion with one of my
linemen and no one ever caughtit.
I mean the referees had no clue.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Oh, my God, but I've heard that too.
So when you were in high schoolfootball, I mean it was a
wishbone offense, but apparentlyyou could throw like in the 90s
with the baseball.
So how did that option happen,or you know that choice happen

(31:45):
to say like, well, now it'sgoing going to be football, even
though you weren't throwing theball a lot then?

Speaker 2 (31:50):
yeah so I got a scholarship to actually play
both at southern miss baseballfootball.
I'll be honest with you.
A part of me wants to say thatI knew I would start as a true
freshman, but the reality is I Ireally thought that my my best
chance to play early in collegewould have been baseball, which
would come in the spring.
So I go to training camp.

(32:13):
I'm 17 years old, I'm last onthe total poll of the
quarterback position.
I was actually seventh on thedepth chart and a couple of guys
got hurt.
A couple of guys got in, didn'tplay very well and by the first
game game we opened up withAlabama in Birmingham and I'm

(32:33):
third.
So I made a tryout on team anddidn't play in that game.
We played two lane thefollowing week.
The first two guys didn't playvery well and the coach was like
put him in and the rest washistory.
So at the end of that year meand my dad talked about it,
about should I go out and playbaseball, which, honestly, at

(32:57):
that time my first love wasbaseball.
It was a close race but I wouldsay baseball was my favorite.
But I knew that starting as atrue freshman was something I
couldn't.
You know, most people don't getan opportunity to do that.
So my dad was like my advice isjust scrap baseball, put all

(33:21):
your time in football.
That way you don't miss springpractice and give someone else a
chance to showcase what theycan do.
You're taking all the reps.
And it was good advice.
But once I got to the NFL Ididn't miss baseball anymore,
but college the further I gotremoved from it, the less I

(33:42):
missed it.

Speaker 6 (33:45):
So Atlanta drafted you correct, Is that right?
So I heard an interview sayingthat Glenville, that didn't go
so well.
Right, he was a little hard onyou.
I love that story.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
You probably heard the story.
So I show up for the first minicamp the day after the draft.
There's two flights out ofGulfport, mississippi, down on
the Gulf Coast, to Atlanta.
The first one was like 8 in themorning and that was the one I
was scheduled to be on.
It got delayed.
So I get to Atlanta and it'sabout an hour drive up to

(34:26):
Suwannee, georgia, and the guythat picked me up I'll never
forget, danny Mock.
He was like in the scoutingdepartment and it was just he
and I driving up and I was likeI'm going to be late for
practice, which I was probably45 minutes late, maybe an hour
and he's like, oh, it happensall time, no big deal, coach.
I mean this is a mini camp,it's not that important and I'm

(34:48):
thinking maybe so, but this isnot.
It was something I couldn'tcontrol.
So I get to the facility,they're out there on the
practice field.
I'm like this is the last thingI'm going to do is come out
there late.
You know, if there was 20 otherguys with me it would be
different.
So I throw on my jersey and myhelmet, I walk out of the
facility and Danny's waiting onme and he says I'm going to

(35:09):
bring you over to coach.
So Jerry Glanville's got hisback to me.
Little short, scrawny guy.
He's got one of those air hornsin his back pocket, he's got a
black windbreaker on with acowboy hat and Danny says hey,
coach, got your quarterback.
So he turns around, he's gothis dark shades on and he says

(35:30):
Mississippi.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
I said yes sir coach.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
He said what school are you from?
And I thought to myself hell,they just drafted me.
Surely he knows that right.
So I said Southern Miss coach.
And he goes ah, damn, wedrafted the wrong guy.
We wanted a guy fromMississippi State and I was like
, honestly, I was like should Ilaugh at?

Speaker 3 (35:55):
this.
Is he joking or?

Speaker 7 (35:58):
did he really?

Speaker 2 (35:59):
draft the wrong guy and from there it went downhill.
It only got worse.
Later on.
I found out when I was year 14or 15 in Green Bay we hired a
guy named Sean Herrock whose dadwas a GM, ken Herrock at
Atlanta who drafted, and westruck up a friendship.

(36:22):
I said, sean, what's the deal,you know, was it Jerry that
really wanted me out?
He goes absolutely.
He said during the draft hewanted that I was the 32nd or
33rd pick.
Atlanta had two picks in thefirst round.
They drafted a cornerback and areceiver, and then I was like

(36:43):
the first pick in the secondround and Jerry Glanville is a
defensive guy, so he wanted topick a defensive guy and Ken
Herock had the final say and hesaid, no, we're getting this
quarterback.
So, sean, the way he put it, hesaid Jerry was going to make
life miserable on my dad by justbeating you up over and over

(37:06):
again.
So when they got an offer atthe end of that year from Green
Bay to give up a first-roundpick for a guy that didn't even
play as a rookie and was draftedin the second round, they said
too much to pass up, which was ablessing for me.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Oh, 100%.
That's an incredible story.
I do want to ask you that yearin Atlanta, so you barely played
?

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Obviously, glanville is not your biggest fan, but I
think I heard you say one of thepeople that did embrace you was
deon sanders, who was asuperstar at that time, and he
may have been at the top of thesuperstar status because he was
playing baseball and I tellpeople this all the time right
at the end of practice ahelicopter would come land over

(37:53):
the practice field.
Dion would jump on thehelicopter and by the time I got
home, after I showered andwatched film, I'd watch him
steal second base.
No shit, no shit, I mean it wascrazy, but yeah, he took me
under his wing.
Why, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
We're still good friends today, talk all the time
oh, that's great to know,because dion's still obviously
in the headlines.
He's doing a great job atcolorado and correct.
Who knows what he's going to doin the future.
But that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
That's amazing yeah yeah, it was pretty cool because
they were in the world seriesthat year and so I'd go home and
my brother lived with me, myolder brother.
He was teaching.
He was actually a teacher not avery good one, might I have,
because, be honest with you westayed out probably till
daylight every night.
Okay, you know my, my motto wasI'll show jerry glanville, I'll

(38:46):
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I absolutely did.
I would not recommend.
If there's any young peoplewatching this, do not do that.
But it worked for me.

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Speaker 1 (40:14):
Hey, I do want to ask you about this because I think
it's important.
So I follow I think we allfollow you on social media.
A little before the electionyou know it was a few months I
noticed you started speaking outa little bit more and a little
bit more and a little bit more,and that followed with, you even
did a rally in wisconsin fortrump.
Uh, you know it's not an easything to do.

(40:38):
I do want to ask you if youfelt compelled to do something,
to speak your voice, or was it anatural thing that, like hey,
this is just how I feel, and Ifeel like it's an important time
for the country great questionand the answer to that is
twofold.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
I felt like I needed to speak up.
I felt like a lot of us neededto speak up.
Some would, some wouldn't.
I just felt a calling to.
You know, no one's perfect,president Trump.
I no one's perfect, no one'sperfect, I'll be the first to
admit that.
But I really felt like we werein a much better position with

(41:19):
Trump as our president, and I'vehad a chance to visit with him,
much like Jason has over theyears, and seen him in a
different light, which was justvery pleasant.
But you know, this legal caseI've been fighting the civil
lawsuit in the state for thelast five years is the biggest
bunch of BS.
But the attorneys that I'vehired are all conservatives, and

(41:42):
one is very close to Trump aswell and actually represented
him in the January 6th ordeal,and so they help kind of
navigate.
You know it's a slippery,slippery slope, but I had
nothing to lose.
You know my career was over youknow when, when that civil

(42:04):
lawsuit came about, everyendorsement I had dropped me,
and so I'm like what the hell?
I might as well just fight thegood fight.
And that's kind of my mottojust do what I can to help.
And was invited to go to GreenBay, and I was well aware that

(42:25):
Wisconsin was one of thosestates that would be hard to win
, if even there was a chance towin, if even there was a chance,
and a lot of people that I'mstill friends with up there was
like come do it, come do it.
And I'll be honest with you, Ididn't think I would sway one

(42:48):
voter who knows if I did or Ididn't Because I really felt
like everyone had kind of drawna hard line in the sand at that
point everywhere, not justWisconsin, and said I'm voting
for whoever runs against Trump,I don't care what they stand for
, I'm just voting for them, nomatter what.
Then there's those that werelike all of us.

(43:12):
We knew that Trump was the bestthing for our country.
Whether you like him or not, hewas the best person for our
country and we're going to votethat way.
So I didn't think there was atthat point.
I was like there's not too manypeople, I would say it's on the
fence.
But I'll be honest with you, Iwas shocked that not only did he
win Wisconsin overwhelmingly,but all the other ones as well.

(43:35):
I think we all could havepredicted the ones he wouldn't
have won, and that was the case,but yeah.
I just felt a calling.
You know, when I got up tospeak at that rally, I was
probably more nervous than I'veever been in any football game
and it was I don't know 5, 6,7,000 people.

(43:56):
Just because it was, I was wayout of my element talking
politics, but it just kind offlowed out and you know, I said
a little prayer before I wentout there.
I said, lord, give me the wordsto say and it was really
awesome to see, first of all,him win, but to see him win in

(44:18):
Wisconsin and, quite frankly,some of those states that he
didn't even come close theprevious year.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah, well, I promise you, brother, you did make a
difference.
Yeah, you did, I promise youthat yeah absolutely.

Speaker 6 (44:30):
It was nice.
We talked about it a lot Mademe feel so rejuvenated in the
country itself.
I think everybody had just hadenough.
Yeah, Enough of.
It came down to common sense,Absolutely.
I think Kurt said it best.
I think someone like yourselfwho gets out there and says what

(44:53):
you're feeling it definitelyhad an effect.
It has to.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
You're not out there talking politics or the tax
reforms.
You're speaking from the heartand what you feel like you want
your kids to be able to grow upin in a good America.

Speaker 5 (45:07):
It's common sense.
It was all common sense at thatpoint.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
This election, to me, was the easiest election ever.
I mean, you want one of twothings you want this thing to
fall apart, like it's continuingto do, or you want it to get
back together.
And I mean some of thesedipshits, some of the things
that they believe I'm sorry, butsome of the things that they
believe is okay is not okay.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
No, it's not I mean I think people like maybe there's
probably a lot of people thatsaid I'm not voting for Trump.
When they went in there to votethey were like I'm voting for
Trump.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
Absolutely.
I think there was a wrongdirection.

Speaker 7 (45:48):
Yeah, I watched the Biden presser today and I was
sitting there watching and Ithought, man, if everything he
actually said happened, thiscountry would be in great shape
right now.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Oh yeah, he really believes in amazing guys.
Maybe he thinks it did.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Who knows it?

Speaker 6 (46:04):
amazes me.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
And he gets a standing ovation.

Speaker 7 (46:07):
I'm like it's just crazy to me.

Speaker 6 (46:10):
That was nice, though , for everybody to you know was
a decision.
Like you said it, brett, it'slike let's watch it fall apart
or we can heal it.
You know, I think people madethat choice and I, brett, you're
right, I think they get inthere and and and voted trump,
obviously.
Yeah, you know, yeah yeah wellit was.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
It was an overwhelming, landslide victory.
I figured when I woke up thatmorning that there was going to
be unfinished counting of votesand it's going to take several
days, but it was so clear-cut,big of a victory that they
couldn't cheat.
If they were going to try, I'mnot saying they cheated.

(46:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (46:55):
As Trump would say, too big to try.
I'm not saying they cheated,yeah, as Trump would say too big
to rig.

Speaker 6 (47:00):
Yeah Well, no, the best thing that happened was
everybody going to bed with youknow, her conceding and it was
over before you know the nextday.
It could have gotten messy, hadit carried on and you know,
weird, but for everybody, justto know.
I think that's why you stillfeel that sense of calm I do,
overall in the country it's likeokay, well, that's a clear-cut

(47:22):
victory, let's move on.

Speaker 5 (47:26):
I think there's going to be a lot of people like
yourself, brett, and artists,singers, entertainers, actors or
whatever.
They're going to start being alittle bit more vocal.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
I think we're seeing it a little bit.
I think you're absolutely rightthat people are seeing that
supporting some of the thingsthat the left supports has not
served them well, which issurprising to me after Bud Light
that issue with Bud Light thatyou still see these big
companies lean to the left alittle bit and it costs them.

(48:01):
You would think at some pointthey'd go.
We don't want to go there and Ithink that trend is starting to
lean our way, some definitelywith the individuals.

Speaker 6 (48:14):
Well, you're seeing a sad to say as sad as it is in
in california right now withthese fires.
You can see it whereeverybody's realizing look, you
know, cutting, cutting firstresponders and and cutting your,
you know budgets where itreally needs to be, and people

(48:34):
are suffering and it's reallysad to see that Cutting funding.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
but taking that cut in funding and using it for
housing illegal immigrants.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
That's right.
It doesn't make a whole lot ofsense?

Speaker 2 (48:48):
No, especially when you don't have water in your
fire hazard waiting to happen onany given day well, that's your
campaign.

Speaker 6 (48:57):
That makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah, you're in california,where that's that's you.
You're looking at the one ofyour that's one of your major
threats is is wildfire and andto not attack that and make sure
you're you're protected and dothe best you can to prevent it.
You're already doing a hugedisservice.
So it's it's sad to see what'sgoing on out there.
People are feeling, feelingthis and they're learning a hard

(49:21):
lesson, unfortunately, and it'sit's a it's terrible to see
what's happened out there, youknow you're either going to see
a big change out there, a bigrevolution out there, similar
revolution yeah, I agree.

Speaker 5 (49:31):
Yeah or they're going to be coming here again.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah, and there's been kind of a migration coming
our way anyway.
That's right, but there may bea big migration coming.
Yeah, I can't imagine livingthere and still thinking that
the leadership is very competentand it's someone else's fault

(49:56):
outside of the state.
I can't imagine that if you gotany sense about you, that you
would think that way.

Speaker 7 (50:02):
Yeah, I think it's kind of some good hope.
It's a sign.
When Zuckerberg and Meta isdoing press conference on doing
away with DEI and everything, itseems like there's a lot of
power and a lot of money movingin a more conservative direction
or more middle America.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
I hope it continues, because you guys made the
comment just a few minutes agothat there's a certain calm,
that we're at ease, a much moremanageable daily routine.
You know, you don't have toworry about a lot of stuff.
Now the California issue kind offestered up some wounds that

(50:44):
you know, we thought, you know,we think that everything's going
to be okay, but that's kind ofa reminder of we still got some
work to do.
But I think you're right, thereis a great deal of calm and
quietness, especially fromreally both sides, and Trump has

(51:06):
been really surprisingly, Ithink they're starting to like
him a little bit.

Speaker 6 (51:12):
Yeah, I think they're starting to like him a little
bit.
Yeah, I think people realize,though, that the media was
fending that fire.
So much with the hatred towardsTrump, true, you know the media
is feeding it to the.
I think people now are waking upto the fact that wait a minute.
You know we've met and thefeeling we've got from him every

(51:35):
time we've been with him islike this guy loves the country.
You don't have to like him.
If you don't like him as aperson, that's fine.
We've had nothing but greatthings to say about him,
absolutely, because when we'rewith him it's like man, this guy
is just awesome.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
Yeah, all I had to do was just stop and think this
guy doesn't have to put himselfwhat he's put himself through.
He didn't have to do this.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
No, it's obvious that he loves his country.
No, I think that's one of themost important points that I've
tried to get across to people.
It's like he obviously loveshis country because he's got all
the money in the world, he'sgot the biggest house or
hacienda anywhere to be found.
He's got golf courses anywherein the world.

(52:16):
Why would he want to bepresident?
Because he loves his country andthen to get shot.
You would think he'd be likeyou know what?
I'm just going to ride off intothe sunset, Screw this.
But no, he doubles down.

Speaker 6 (52:34):
He's now the voice for the middle class, which is,
which is, which has he ever beenmiddle class.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
It's amazing to see the transformation that's that's
that's president trump and youguys know it like I know it on a
more personal level and he isengaging and easy to talk to.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Absolutely.
Yeah, it's incredible.
Hey, so we're coming to the endof this podcast, but I do.
I always said, if I get thechance to ask you this, I want
to ask you about the end of yourcareer a little bit.
There's two things I got toknow.
So you had 16 years in GreenBay.
You went to New York for a yearbecause they wouldn't deal you
to an uh, an NFC team.

(53:15):
Did you go to Minnesota tostick it to them so you can play
them twice a year?
I gotta know that.
And then also go to the end ofthe year where the bounty gate
uh thing happens, and could youfeel during that game that it
was something different, thatthey were coming after you in a
different way?

Speaker 2 (53:36):
yeah, I'll start with the ladder.
Um, it's.
It's funny because when allthat came out about the bounty
gate and stuff, my wife was likeI knew something was up during
that game, because it was justdifferent than any other game
for me.
When you're in the momentsometimes you're kind of

(53:56):
oblivious to what's going on.
You just got.
It was so loud in that dome, Imean it was deafening, you could
.
I was screaming at the top ofmy lungs and no one could hear
me.
So I was just very stressed out.
But I did think, I have toadmit, I did think I didn't
think that there was a bounty.
I didn't think that.
But I thought, and I'll tellyou why there was a guy that

(54:19):
played for the Saints that Iplayed with for seven or eight
years, darren Sharper.
He was the safety.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Oh yeah, he was hard-hitting.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Great player for us, real rangy, very good like
covering the field, free safety.
And he had two late hits on methat were way late and that was
very uncharacteristic of a dare,and I even said to him after
the second I'm like I'll callhim sharp.
I said sharp, what the hell'sthe deal?
You never hit anybody late.

(54:48):
You've hit me twice likeblatantly late.
So again did I think there's abounty out on me?
I'll say this there's always abounty on the quarterback, but
within the confines of the game.
You know, what they were doingwas outside the confines, like

(55:11):
whatever you got to do, snap hisleg, hit him.
Like whatever, I'll pay for thefine, whatever it is, just get
his ass out.
That's what they were beingtold to do.
But if you could get aquarterback out or the best
player out of the game withinthe confines, the legal confines
of the game, hey, that's betterfor us.

(55:34):
But you know so I thoughtsomething was up, but I wouldn't
have gone as far to say thatthey were paying at any cost.
As far as the first, when Ileft the Jets, I had to have
surgery If I was going to playagain.
I had to have surgery on mytorn bicep.

(55:56):
I tore it about nine games inweek nine ten with the Jets.
I played like shit but I played.
But I knew I didn't want to goback and play with the Jets
Nothing against them.
But I knew the Packers sent meout there to just waste away and

(56:16):
never be heard from again.
I knew that but I had no choice.
So when the Jets wanted me back, mike Tannenbaum was the GM,
great guy and he said look,right after the season.
He said go home If you want tocome back.
He was awesome, we'd love tohave you back.

(56:38):
I know that you've got a bicepissue.
If you choose to play, get itfixed.
Just know that I'm not going tobother you.
Right before the draft.
I'm going to call you.
If you want to come back, comeon back.
If you don't, I'm going to letyou go.
What's important about that?
I'm going to let you go.
And what's important about that?
When he said let you go, he wasgoing to cut me, meaning I was

(56:59):
free to go anywhere I wanted.
You know I could sign withwhoever I wanted, talk to
whoever I wanted, and theywouldn't get anything.
He said and I'm going to catchhell if that happens because I'm
, rather than deal you, I'm justgoing to let you go.
So I knew I didn't want to goback there.
I said I'll give it some time.
So I came home Draft wasprobably three months later, you

(57:26):
know, second week in Aprilsomewhere around there and with
each day that passed I gotfurther away from wanting to
play at all, whether it beMinnesota.
I was just beat up.
I'll be honest with you.
I was at the end of my rope.
In the back of my mind I keptsaying if I do give it up and
just retire, even though I kindof feel like that's where I want

(57:48):
to go, I'm going to alwaysregret the opportunity to go
play against the Packers, provemyself Right or wrong.
You know I've told people thisstory and it kind of posed the
question what would you do if ateam?
Keep in mind my beststatistical season as a Packer

(58:10):
in 16 years was my 16th year.
My last year as a Packer was byfar the best stats I've ever
had.
So I made it difficult for thePackers to move in a different
direction by playing so well.
It would have been easier ifI'd stunk and they just said,
hey, we're going to let you goand said, well, it'd been easier
if I'd stunk?
And they just said hey, we'regoing to let you go.
So I think what that did wasmade it hard for them to let me

(58:32):
go and move in a differentdirection.
The best thing that couldhappen for them was just me
retire so they don't have todeal with me, they don't have to
worry about it, they can justmove on.
Well, I did that under somepressure to give him an answer.
The mistake I made was givinghim an answer too soon, because

(58:53):
once I said I was going toretire, they did a press
conference the next day.
It was a fast track to get himout of there.
That's the way I felt.
And then about May or June, youknow, I was like I kind of had
the itch to play, but I knew Ididn't want to play at Green Bay
because I knew managementdidn't want me.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
And I was okay with that.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
I stress that to everyone I was okay with it.
What I wasn't okay with was andI made this comment to the GM
and the head coach at the time Isaid so I'm not good enough to
play for you, but I'm too goodto play against you.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
And they didn't like that.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Because if the answer to that is that's not true,
then why not just let me gowherever I want?
But you know they didn't wantto hear that, so that was always
in the back of my mind.
Like they wanted to, they wonby trading me to the Jets and

(59:53):
moving on, when I, you know,there may have been 10 teams
that wanted me.
I don't know that.
I know that they said two teamswanted me Tampa Bay and the
Jets and I didn't do myself anyfavors when I went back to Green
Bay.
Before I got traded I had to goback in order.
The NFL rule says you have togo back to the team that you're

(01:00:13):
presently on in order for themto make a move, whether it be
cut, trade or you stay there andplay.
So I went back, knowing thatthe management didn't want me,
and so, after I got just yelledat for about an hour or two over
the facility from the headcoach, uh, he said you'll see

(01:00:34):
the gm, I can't deal with you.
I said all right, fine.
So I went and met with the gmand he said look, go home, go
back to your house here in greenbay.
My agent was in town.
He and my wife were at ourhouse.
Go back and talk to them.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers wantyou and the Jets want you.
Y'all figure out which one youwant to go to and we'll come to

(01:00:54):
your house in an hour and talkabout it.
So in that hour of time Ilooked up the schedules.
The Jets didn't play even closeto Green Bay.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Tampa.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Bay played the Packers the fourth game of the
year.
So I said I'm going to TampaBay and it's a true story.
So they show up at the door.
It was the GM and three otherguys, not the coach.
They come in and sit down andit was crickets for five minutes
.
It was awkward.
So I said well, I know whereI'm going to play.

(01:01:26):
Where is that?
I said well, I know where I'mgoing to play.
Where is that?
I said Tampa Bay.
And they were like why wouldyou want to do that?
I said I'll tell you why thefourth game they play the
Packers and I'm going to kickyour ass.
So an hour later we jumped on aplane.
We flew back to Hattiesburg.
Our youngest daughter I'mreading her a story in bed she's

(01:01:48):
like Dad, where are we going?
I said we're going to Tampa Bay.
She says why?
And I said because it's closeto Disney.

Speaker 5 (01:01:54):
World.
She's like oh yeah, great,that's great.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
No more than I got that out of my mouth, my agent
calls me and says are youwatching TV?
I'm like no, he's like theyjust traded you to the Jets.
Wow.
And I went.
You have got to be shitting me.
And so I had that in the backof my mind at the end of that
year.
I said if I throw in the towelthey're going to win again.

(01:02:20):
So Mike Tannenbaum calls me theday before the draft and says
what about it?
And I said I'm not coming back,mike.
He said God's honest truth.
He said I wish you the verybest of luck, I know what you're
going to do.
So the next day I was cut.
They drafted Mark Sanchez astheir quarterback.

(01:02:42):
I went to Pensacola to see ohhell, I can't even think of the
doctor's name.
He's done three surgeries on me.
He'll kill me.
But anyway, I went and hadsurgery on my bicep and two days
later I signed with the Vikingsand you know they had all the

(01:03:06):
fanfare, they had helicopters,they had all this stuff.
Believe me, I didn't want anyof that because in the back of
my mind I was like I got to finda way to muster up the energy
to play 14 other games, if youknow what I mean.
Yeah, I knew there was twogames I was gonna be ready for.
Yeah, and fortunately that yearnot only did we beat them twice

(01:03:28):
, and look, I had some, andstill have some dear friends
within that organization and intown.
So but no means my disrespectfrom that team, but how could
you not want to show your oldteam or band in your case?

Speaker 6 (01:03:43):
If you're competitive , and that's just human nature
you're going to that's whatyou're gonna want so, as roger
is stealing your thunder, he'sgoing to the jets, and now is
minnesota next for aaron rogers.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
He's gonna just finish it out like you did yeah,
I don't know what the hell thedeal is, but um I love that, by
the way.
I don't know I mean, the guycan still play if he can stay
healthy.

Speaker 6 (01:04:06):
Yeah, who will take a chance on him?

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:04:11):
Yeah, that was great on his Netflix thing that you
did.
You guys had some time togetheron that and I thought that was
really cool because you know,man, it's so great having you on
.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
This is for us this is like Thanks for having me.
I really enjoy it.
What a blast.
You're my kind of people.

Speaker 5 (01:04:29):
Well, we appreciate that.
I got to tell you one thingit's like if they ever tear down
Legion Field in Birmingham Igot a lot of memories there.
I played there.
I'll grab a brick for you ifthey ever tear it down.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
That's where we beat Alabama.
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
I don't want to hear that we won't talk about that
High tide, high tide.

Speaker 7 (01:04:51):
High tide.
Hey Brett, one more quickquestion, if you don't mind, and
I know sports and entertainmentare very much linked and you've
got the fans, you've got theaudience, your heart's racing,
the adrenaline and all thatstuff.
And I know, with entertainmentand Aldine and these guys, I
mean if, if somebody will, youknow, hire us at 90 years old,
they can put us out in awheelchair with an oxygen tank

(01:05:12):
and we'll sing out there onstage and you still get there,
but you're not being able toplay physically, like at a
certain certain age or whatever.
How do you replace that highLike what do you and have have
you?
Do you miss that part of it orare you okay with it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
No, you know that's an awesome question and most
guys that I've been around thatretire, whether it be year seven
, year 12, very few have playedas long as I have.
But most of the guys don't goout on their terms.
You know they got hurt or theyjust didn't perform at the level

(01:05:51):
that was acceptable and theyjust get let go.
I, on the other hand, I retiredthree times and each time I
came back I played pretty damngood and you know I knew really
like we just talked about,really when I left the Jets I
really had had enough.

(01:06:11):
So I technically retired andcame back out, but I really had
had enough and I felt like I gotnothing to prove, except to the
Packers, that I could stillplay.
Is that a reason to come backand play?
I ended up doing it, but for me, when I finally, after my
second year with the Vikings,which was a terrible year got

(01:06:33):
beat to hell, I knew I'm done.
And I mentioned to you aboutcoaching high school, I didn't
even want to do that.
I had enough of football.
To be honest with you I'm sureguys have said that and then
three months into the season, ortwo weeks into the season or
whatever, or playoffs come aboutand you go.
I wish I was there.

(01:06:54):
I have never wished I was theresince I was a child, that's
great.
Those guys that I've, teammatesthat I've come across that have
been out of football for a while, I'm like, hey, how's it going?
Several of them have said kindof the same thing.
Like man, I missed thestructure.
Having to be somewhere at acertain time I never thought

(01:07:17):
would be important, but now Ican do whatever I want and I
don't know what to do.
So having some you know I willmy family was, was intact.
I had two girls and I actuallyhad my first grandson right year
20.
So I was busy.
We did a lot of travel.

(01:07:37):
We never traveled when I wasplaying, but since I retired
we've gone to Israel.
We've gone to Ireland twice,switzerland, italy, and I know
you guys do a lot of traveling.
First and I tell people thisall the time they thought
something was wrong with dad.
My first year out of retirementI said let's go on a vacation.
They were like you Vacation.

Speaker 6 (01:07:59):
Because I was selfish .

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
All those years when that season was over I wanted to
come home, hunt, hide out andjust do whatever Saw wood, dig
holes, cover them back up,whatever it was, and I had
plenty to keep me busy.
But I was like, let's take atrip.
And they were like, okay, wheredo you want to go?
And I said let's go toYellowstone.

(01:08:21):
I just threw it out.
I'm a big animal buff.
I like watching these animalshows and stuff.
We went out there and we had ablast.
From there we've never lookedback.
It's been great.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
That's amazing.
Like we've said here, brett,we've always been big fans of
your professional footballcareer.
We're even bigger fans of whoyou are as a human being.
We just appreciate you, weappreciate your time and thank
you for spending with us tonight.

Speaker 6 (01:08:52):
Come out to a show.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Thanks for having me Friends for life.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Thank you, brad, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Guys, take care.
I hope to see you at the show.
Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Make sure to follow along, subscribe, share, let's
do it.

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