RaeLynn - Finding Your Way When Nashville Says "No" :: Ep 68 Try That in a Small Town Podcast - Try That in a Small Town Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I wonder how many marriages, how many couples or
emails that you've got, orpeople that talk to you that
didn't leave a situation.
Maybe the husband and wifeweren't getting along
excellently.
But then they hear that songand think about those kids and
think you know what we can betogether.
You know what I mean.
I just wonder how manythousands of lives that that

(00:20):
song has blessed.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
I've had quite a few people say that there's been a
few fans where their daughterwould walk away and the mom
would come up to me and she saidI stuck it out in my marriage
because of your song and becauseof that little girl right there
.
And I'm just like ugh, like thesongwriters that don't write
with you unless you have asingle coming out or unless you
have a record deal.
And dude, I of right now, likeI didn't have a record deal for

(00:46):
five years I was independent,working my ass off Selling
tickets.
Like I said, I freaking boughtmy own bus by the grace of God
and my father.
But like, do you think thatthey wanted to write with me?
Absolutely not.
They didn't give a shit aboutme.
And then, now that I'm signedto Big Machine again, it's like
oh, you want to ride?

Speaker 4 (01:03):
I'm not doing the unicorn thing.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yes, you are.
No, I'm not.
It's demonic as shit.
I'm not doing it.
It's demonic.
What about a unicorn's?
Demonic?

Speaker 4 (01:10):
No horse has a horn going out of his face.
It just doesn't happen.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
Oh my God, Listen, I will say when things are demonic
and I think you're a little theTry that in a Small.

Speaker 6 (01:28):
Town podcast begins now.
All right, welcome back.
This is the Try that in a SmallTown podcast, as you can hear,
that's Thrash, that's K-Lo TK,right here.
Fondue, fondue.
I guess there's t-shirts, soit's what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
When are you going to bring those in so we can wear
them?
I know I should have broughtthem.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
That's the only merch we have.
We could sign them and make astore, sell those you know, just
once.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
I want to see the Kurt that I see on stage
sometimes.
What does that mean, dude?
I've seen videos of you at theedge of the stage, just freaking
, rocking, and you're looking atit and you're pointing at it.
And you come in here.
It's Kurt, I want to see thefire.

Speaker 6 (02:11):
This is like Clark Kent.

Speaker 8 (02:14):
I saw some passion the other night.
Can I tell them the story?
I don't know, shirt on or off,shirt on, maybe last weekend, I
can't remember where we were,but this is.

Speaker 7 (02:26):
This is actually embarrassing no, this is what I
love about our band and this iswhat I love about it.

Speaker 8 (02:32):
So, um, we're playing try that in a small town.
Then this year we go into likean extended guitar solo thing
after try that we do.
It's really cool.
It's like a big twin guitarthing.
It's pretty awesome.
Well, at the end of it I lookover and kurt looks pissed and
he's looking at me and almostsoon he takes jason's microphone

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and slams it into the, into thestage, throws it down what.
And I was like oh shit, what,just oh, man, this is the middle
of the show do we have?

Speaker 4 (03:04):
video footage of this , by the way who knows, it's
probably out oh, we gotta findit.

Speaker 8 (03:08):
No, we have to find it it's there anyway, and what
happened was he had missed anote in the in the dual in the
dual guitar thing that him andjack do and he took jason's mic,
oh, kurt's human, but we alwaystalk about passion.

Speaker 6 (03:28):
We take a lot of pride in the show.

Speaker 8 (03:39):
And it was like seriously amateur hour.

Speaker 6 (03:41):
It's a very involved solo thing, though.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
I get it, but you took it out on me.

Speaker 6 (03:44):
Obviously, I've hit wrong notes before, but for some
reason it just really irked meand I was just like you know and
slammed the mic down.

Speaker 8 (03:50):
You took it out on Jason, of course, and his mic
goes flying out.
Yeah, he took Alvin's mic outof his statement.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
And probably it was big to you, but a fan would
never know that you missed anote Actually nobody you missed
actually nobody knew right okayno, it goes by really quick but
it's.

Speaker 6 (04:05):
That's what I love, though, as a matter of fact,
tully came by to me later.
He goes, did I?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
do something.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
I thought it was happening or something.
Oh really, yeah, that'd be myfirst thought.

Speaker 6 (04:13):
Yeah, tully did something obviously yeah, no,
it's just listen tully.
I've never to this day heardtully make a mistake he's, I
mean we take a lot of pride inthe show and we wanted to be
right.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
I can't believe, though, it affected you that bad
, because I mean we've done,I've done shows.
We've done shows where I'd likeI was flat that night or
whatever, and I just wouldn'tfeel well.
I never took it out well sowhat got into you?

Speaker 6 (04:41):
I don't know, maybe the whiskey I tell you what
keeps the band operating on a.

Speaker 8 (04:47):
What's tricky these days is, in the old days we just
toured.
We never came off the road andtoured.
When you tour now, it's likewe'll do.
We may start the year and dothree shows and next thing you
know we've taken a month off andhave to go back and do another
random show or a festival, andso keeping it at the level that

(05:08):
we wanted at is a littletrickier these days.
Right, it's not like we.
You know it's.
It's sporadic, can be sporadicin certain times of the year,
Doesn't you know?
We just want it to be perfect,so it makes it harder, and
sometimes, you know, on afestival we might not even get
sound check, you know so we're.
It's just tough to keep it astight as we expect it to be.

(05:31):
So when something like thathappens, that's what I love most
about the band like it's.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Like you know but if somebody would have asked me how
kurt would respond to a mistakeor if he didn't play it as well
as he thought he should have, Iwould have never guessed that
he would have lost his shit likethat and usually you'd be right
you would just let it go.
It was just this one moment, Isee you letting it go and it's
like I'm not doing that again.

(05:55):
You internalize it.
I can see you internalizingthat and going.
I'm not doing that again.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (06:01):
I mean that is my, to destroy your boss's microphone.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
I would have never guessed that you know it's great
.

Speaker 6 (06:07):
I didn't.
Well, once it happened I waslike you, freaking idiot.
I was probably more pissed thenyou're pissed.

Speaker 8 (06:11):
Yeah, then I was actually.
And then our monitor guy evanrichard, who's the sweetest guy
he's been with us, probably got19 years, now 18 years.
Evan comes on the talkback micthat we hear and and he goes
thanks, dude, which is Kurt'sother nickname.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
What did Jason?

Speaker 6 (06:28):
say I don't even think he was out doing his
shtick so he didn't know, he'sgot an alternate mic out at the
end of the thrust which he wasout there shaking hands or
something, because, like Tullysaid, it's an extended solo bit.
Speaking of shows?
Yeah, anyway, speaking of shows, speaking of the tour, can I go
off on one?

Speaker 8 (06:48):
thing.
Oh yeah, sure, speaking ofshows, there is a nasty trend
going on with people throwingshit on stage.

Speaker 6 (06:59):
Yeah, and not just ours.
I see it everywhere.

Speaker 8 (07:01):
No, not just ours, I mean, we had what?

Speaker 4 (07:03):
are they throwing?
I mean, what is it Okay, justours?
I see no, not just ours.
I mean we had.

Speaker 8 (07:05):
What are they throwing?
I?

Speaker 2 (07:05):
mean what?

Speaker 8 (07:05):
okay, for example we were in canada a couple weeks
ago and towards the end of theshow we're playing and all of a
sudden I saw like a shadow ofsomething and feel something,
skim the top of my head and andlook down, somebody hurled a
cell phone, like baseball justabout, took me out and then

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threw another one at Jack, whichmakes no sense to me Throwing
your cell phones, it's one ofthose.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Obama phones.
You think?

Speaker 8 (07:40):
Look, this is a serious issue.
No, I know, I'm sorry, I'mactually getting a little bit
fed up.
So the phone issue, peoplethrowing shit on stage.
And the other night Jason's outthere and he looks down.
He's out in the thrust, theextended part of our stage.
He looks down and there'sfrench fries and there's

(08:01):
tomatoes and all this bullshiton the deck on the stage fries
and there's tomatoes and allthis bullshit on the deck on the
stage.
And luke bryan was playing inuh, was it south dakota or north
dakota?
A few nights ago someone threwa ball at him.

Speaker 6 (08:15):
You know, I actually see it happen in a lot of
concerts.
I don't know what's going onwow but it's, it's stupid.

Speaker 8 (08:21):
We're out there, this is our job, taking it very
seriously.
And our fans we love our fans.
They're amazing.
Only takes a couple of them toruin the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
I don't think it's the true fans.
I think it's the same peoplethat are hiring these protesters
to go out and burn shit.

Speaker 8 (08:36):
The point is they're hiring them to go to these shows
and throw them to people likeJason.
I don't know, but it's becominga trend in all shows where
we're out there performing foryou and we make these stages so
that Jason can get out there inthe middle of the crowd.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (09:01):
So I'm not sure what's happening.
It's not cool, no, Becausewe're out there and you've got
to remember the other night whenwe're up there, like.

Speaker 6 (09:13):
My first thought was like, are we getting shot at
again, seriously?
Well, yeah, I mean you're likelike people don't realize how
vulnerable you are up there.

Speaker 8 (09:16):
Oh my gosh, and it's, it's just not cool.
We, we love the fair fans and Iwill say the alvin fans I say
they're the greatest, like I'mnot talking about our core fans,
but there's some issues thatdoes not exist for your
playground and there's a respectfactor there that we seem to
have lost.
And me and Kurt were over wentto the Oasis show in Cardiff

(09:40):
Amazing night.
There was 80,000 people there,kids crammed into the front row
and not once did anyone throwanything on stage or do anything
.
Look, this is a I hear problem.
This is in this.
I don't know if it's our genreor like our country, there's a

(10:00):
lack of respect going on for theperformers, like I don't know
what it is, I don't know if it's, if social media is giving them
a freedom of feeling thatthey're actually closer to the
artists than they are.
Yeah, I'm not sure what it is,but it's called alcohol and but
we never.
We've always had that like we'vebeen on the road for 30 years

(10:21):
like and in this I've never seenanything like occasionally we
would have a stage jumper Backin the day.
There would always be someonesomewhere who would try to hop
up on stage and our security guywould get them.
But this throwing stuff, it'sbecoming a thing.

Speaker 6 (10:34):
Yeah, and it's like it used to be maybe a hat or a
bra, which is fine.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
But now it's like people.

Speaker 6 (10:41):
I don't even know why you'd throw your phone or the
Zen can't.

Speaker 8 (10:48):
It's like people.
I don't even know why you'dthrow your phone, but or the Zen
, can't you know it's like stuffthat could actually hurt you.
Let me know what you guys thinkit is, but it's for the and,
like I said, 99.9% of our fansare just there to have a good
time.
Only takes one to ruin it.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
That's a fact.

Speaker 8 (11:04):
Before next thing you know there are no thrust and
there's fences and we're sevenfeet back, like it used to be.
Yeah, yeah, where you can't,where it's, and just luke bryan.
I felt bad for him.
I saw that the other night andand hit him right in the face.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Really yeah, hit him right in the face.
What was it?

Speaker 8 (11:18):
it was a ball of some sort really, and you could tell
.
You know, if you're trying toantagonize our artists, you're
going the wrong way.
Trying to get attention or geta reaction, you're just going to
ruin it for everybody else.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Well, pull an Axl Rose man, just dive off in there
, just do a face, dive rightinto their face it's going to
happen.
Lead with your base, just gostraight down, right at them,
right in the throat.
It's just disrespectful.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
When that happens, surely the security is seeing
that, because they've got to beclose enough.

Speaker 8 (11:50):
Are they?

Speaker 1 (11:51):
getting thrown out and tackled.

Speaker 8 (11:52):
You've got to remember, though, if you're
looking.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Well, they should be.
That would help.
Yeah, but it's hard to tellit's packed in there and it's a
separation here.

Speaker 8 (12:02):
There's a respect factor here.
If he's going to go out thereand put himself out there, give
him the respect of look, don'tthrow shit.
The stage is not your desk.
Don't rest your phone and yourdrinks and your crap on there.
Don't grab at our legs, Don'tpull us down, or we're going to

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be up there just far away.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
Maybe that dude doesn't like our podcast.
Maybe that was like Amazing DV.

Speaker 8 (12:32):
It could have been him.
No, Amazing DV loves ourpodcast.
It wouldn't have.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
No, you weren't there .
He would only throw it if youwere there.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
My point is they didn't throw the phone at Jason,
they threw it at Tully.
But my point is they didn'tthrow the phone at Jason, they
threw it at Tully and I'm likeit could be like one of our
people that doesn't One of ourhaters.
They don't like where we'regoing or something it could be,
and that's a good thing.
Tully, we've got to have hatersfor our podcast.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
We've got to believe me?
Yeah, but it is.
I mean, is I mean you gottathink about that?
If you're up there, when you'refocused on what you're playing
too, you know and what's next,and where are you?

Speaker 8 (13:10):
and we've seen Jason have the bottom weave around.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
You're gonna be looking up and be distracted by.
I hope nobody throws somethingat us tonight.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Well, trust me, you don't gotta keep you on edge we
gotta get to ray.

Speaker 6 (13:21):
We're cutting into our time that's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Oh, this is great.

Speaker 6 (13:24):
We gotta talk about our guest tonight uh, ray lynn,
who's out on tour with us.
She's the opening act.
She is, she's a spark plug,she's fantastic.
She's an incredible performer,artist, writer.
Uh, she's just a lot of fun.
You guys have not met herbefore, right?
No?

Speaker 1 (13:43):
no, I'm looking forward to it.
I've researched, listened to alot of her songs and everything
like that, have a huge respectfor her and just very anxious to
meet her and talk yeah, she'sgreat, and we'll talk about her
husband a little bit too, who Iknow you've gotten to meet a
little bit but he's amazing andthey're amazing together and
great heart, you know great.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
What's his?

Speaker 1 (14:05):
name Josh and he may be tougher than us.
It's possible.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
He may have thrown the phone.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
No, definitely not him, definitely not him.
Green Berets, don't throwphones.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
All he wanted was a selfie.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
Let's not wait any longer.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Let's get to Ray All right, let's start off with the
fact that how old are you andhow old is your child?

Speaker 4 (14:27):
Hold on who's doing the interviewing here?
Wait, I'm kind of like.

Speaker 8 (14:31):
Ray Lynn, that's what I'm saying I'm just curious Are
we on Jim?

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Oh good, Jim is rolling.
Jim, can I call you JimmyBecause?

Speaker 6 (14:38):
I love him.
So go Ray.
What do you got to ask how oldare you and how old is?

Speaker 3 (14:45):
your child, because I'm really intrigued.
And how old is your wife?
Tell me your life story.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Let's just jump right into it.
My wife's going to love thistime, okay.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
What's your wife's name?

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Rachel, that's my real name.
I know, I know.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
My name is Rachel Lynn, my maiden name your
government name.
No, my government name now isDavis.
I've been married for 10 years.

Speaker 6 (15:04):
When you were born.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
When I was born.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Woodward, yeah, okay.
Well, then you went to Ray Lynnbecause you wanted Wait, wait,
wait that one.

Speaker 8 (15:11):
He's deflecting how old are you and how old is your
child.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
I'm 57.
Okay, so it's a normal andkid-rearing age.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
I think I'm going to start calling you a jagger.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Baby Lucy is about 18 months.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, aw so, and we took her to preschool to meet
her teacher this morning.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Which didn't go well because she's had several
nannies, and the last, which isEmma, which is Neil's daughter,
is amazing and they just loveeach other.
And they're at home and they'replaying, they're doing all this
stuff and laughing, listeningto music and coloring and
everything.
Anyway, we took her intopreschool this morning.
She screamed the whole time.
We think it's because shethought she was going to the
doctor, that's probably what itwas.

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But we didn't drop her off, wejust kind of put her in there,
but how old is Rachel.
Yeah, and so Lucy's 18 months,and we're just doing great.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
And how old rachel?
Yes, I think that's a greatquestion.
I think she's 33-ish.
Hell, yeah, come on.
Congratulations, kayla, did.
They did good.
Hey, I'm proud of you you musthave a great sense of humor well
, I don't know, we'll see we'llsee, you must have a great sense
of humor.

Speaker 6 (16:23):
That's his most redeeming quality.
A good follow-up, Kurt.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, like that's the only thing possible.
It could be no.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Wow, I'm just kidding with you.
That's amazing.
Well, rachel sounds like a nicelady.
She's amazing.

Speaker 6 (16:33):
We obviously share the same name.

Speaker 8 (16:39):
Let's get back to Ray , okay, I do feel like we're.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
I had to know the backstory on this.
This is great.
Only men could do that shit,though.

Speaker 6 (16:45):
It's like straight up Well women could do it, we
could.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
It just doesn't ever get taken the same way.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
But that's okay.
We're never going to ask themhow old they are.
How old are you?
Never going to do it, Nah?

Speaker 6 (16:55):
doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
We're not going to ask that.
I'm not going to ask that Don'tplay this game.

Speaker 6 (16:59):
It's okay, I'm not going to be offended.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
You cannot offend me 24.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
No, she, you're born in 94 20 31.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
I'm 31, obviously 31.
You just said the year I wasborn.
If you didn't know I was bornin 94.
How old would you say?
It's okay, do I look?
I look like I'm in my 30s,don't I?

Speaker 6 (17:20):
20s.
What's wrong with that Come?

Speaker 3 (17:21):
on.
I'm actually.
I love my 30s so far.
I wouldn't go back to my 20s tosave my life.

Speaker 8 (17:27):
We met you when you were- 19.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
19.

Speaker 6 (17:30):
Oh my gosh Are you serious.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
That's how old we are .

Speaker 3 (17:32):
But, it's so awesome.

Speaker 8 (17:34):
You're on tour with us now.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (17:36):
And I got to tell you you probably don't realize this
, but very rarely do we hang outwith the opening act.

Speaker 6 (17:43):
This is true.
This is actually very true.

Speaker 8 (17:46):
It's actually true and to all our other opening
acts.
This is no secret.
It feels like we've been ontour together for a while.
It's so fun, it's such a goodhang.

Speaker 6 (18:03):
Did you know Jason and Brittany, and or Brittany
beforeney, before this tour?

Speaker 3 (18:05):
yeah.
So the first time I met jason Iwas gosh, was I like I think I
was 19 and um, I was at someafter party.
It was after some cmt event.
I was just off the voice and Iwas at this party with blake,
blake shelton and, um, obviouslyit's my first time hanging out
with any huge country stars.
And Blake was like hey, just,you know, find me in a room if

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you'd like.
You know, because I'm I'm likeI will talk to everybody.
And so I just kind of get lostin my own little world.
And he knew that that would bethe case with me, and so, but I
met Luke for the first time thatnight and he was so precious.
I met Ryan Tedder and then Imet jason, and jason was the,
you know, as kind as kind couldbe, and that was the first time
I met him and I mean, I was justlike I could not believe that I

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was in that room.

Speaker 8 (18:51):
It was wild but you too, though, you have this
personality about you.
Like we talked about it briefly, my son came out on the road
last weekend, and the picture ofyou and him is now a
screensaver so it's, it's likethis personality and it feels so
amazing to have you out.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
You've got a great crew of people.
Thank you.

Speaker 8 (19:10):
Just one of those rare times where, like, let's
hang out with the opening act.
She's awesome.
Thank you.
We've known you for a long timebut it's nice to you, know your
perseverance and what you'regoing through and you're cutting
new music and it has been along time.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
It has yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:25):
Which doesn't feel like it, but it has, yeah, so so
let's, let's get some history,because I actually didn't even
know that you were on the voice,yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Yeah, I mean right.
Yeah, so I was on season two.
I'm an original gangster on thevoice.
Huh, what year that was?
I mean 2012.
So because right after I wascoming back and forth to
Nashville in 2011, kind ofgetting my, you know, feet wet,
writing music here my firstmeeting in town was BMI and then

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I went met with ASCAP and thenI went and signed with ASCAP and
then my girl at ASCAP was agirl named Leanne Phelan, yeah,
and Leanne started setting me upwith rights and my first
writing session was with um,well, so backstory, a little
more than that is I, um, beforeI did music, I actually was like

(20:19):
doing the acting thing and so Iwas going.
I graduated at 16.
Um, I knew that college was notfor me, but my dad was like,
hey, you can try this for acouple years, but you got to go
to college by the age of 19 ifsomething doesn't work out, and
I was like, okay, I can, I cando this.
And so I was going to LA to todo like some auditions and stuff
, and I grew up in a reallymusical family.

(20:41):
But I think I didn't want to domusic because I wanted to be
like, I wanted to do my ownthing and I was like, okay, I
know already how to do music.
I that's so funny because Ireally didn't know how to do
music.
But in my brain I was like mywhole family does music.
I want my thing to be acting.
Well.
I quickly realized la was notmy scene, you know, and the
acting just nobody, really justnobody.

(21:01):
Wanted to help each other outlike I would in these auditions
and I felt like the countrybumpkin in the room and I was
trying to get rid of my accentto be this person that I'm not
and I'm like.
And then, like you know, I'mlike oh, where are you from?
How are you?
And these like chicks wouldjust like look at me and their
moms were just so mean.

Speaker 6 (21:18):
I was like this sucks , this is.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Very cutthroat.
And so, while I was going backand forth to California from
Texas, I just started writingsongs in my off time and I met
and I signed up for this openmic night on Ventura Boulevard.
And it's just so funny becauseI wasn't even there for a year,

(21:41):
I was just going back and forthfor auditions and and this woman
, I and I always prayed everymorning.
When I was praying to god, Iwas like, god, I pray that you
would, you know, give me divineappointments and divine
connections and open doors inany situation.
Like I pray that you would justgo before me.
And I played at this littlelocal coffee shop thing for, oh,
to get a free music video.

(22:01):
And I was like, yeah, I want afree music video.
I'm sorry, if I can say thatword, but I was like I want a
free music video.
Right after I just said, I waspraying to God and this woman
was there.
And, by the way, peopleapproach you all the time when
you do music.
They're like oh, I'll cut fivetracks on you six grand a track.

(22:27):
And you're like, yeah, hell,yeah, six grand a track.
And you're like, yeah, hell,yeah, who would ever do that?
And it's like you don't reallyknow, like what you're getting
into, and so, but this womancame up to me after I got done
playing an original song and Isang like ingrid michaelson I
forgot the way I am or somethinglike that and she was like I
think you're really talented.
Would you come by my office andmy home office?
I used to work for WarnerChapel.
My name is Judy Stakey and Iwas like I don't know if I

(22:48):
believe this chick, but okay.
And then I looked her up and Iwas like, oh wait, she actually
worked with like Katy Perry andSheryl Crow and she was the head
of creative over at WarnerChapel, la, for a really long
time, and so I went with herover.
I went over to her house and um,and she was like I really do
think that you have a gift forsongwriting.
And I was like, okay, well,that sounds cool.

(23:08):
And so she was like let's do aguitar vocal of this song that I
wrote called Baby.
That's my Type.
It was the first song I everwrote and she said let's do a
guitar vocal.
I want to send it to somefriends in Nashville and let's
see if they want to write withyou.
And I was like, okay, and so itwas just a little guitar vocal
we did on GarageBand and shesaid, by the way, when I send
this I'm gonna be, you'll belucky if one person wants to

(23:29):
write with you.
I was like, okay, like you can'thurt my feelings, like whatever
.
So she sent it out to 12different people and all 12
wanted to write with me.
And she was like, oh, okay,this is like we've got something
special here.
And I was 17 at the time and um, well, I just turned 17.
And so she was the one that setup the meeting with bmi and set
up the meeting with um ascap.

(23:52):
And then we quickly realizedthat ascap was the move.
But my first writing sessionsin nashville were with natalie
hemby, nicole gallion and apriljasper, a brad tercy, before he
was um, before he was in olddominion.
I'm trying to think who else?
Like there was just so manylegends that I was in the room
or thought.
I mean, when I wrote withnatalie hembie, I was like

(24:12):
freaking out, I was like shakingin the room because she wrote
white liar and she's so great oh, and she's
just sweet as sugar and like sokind and um.
But that's kind of what startedfor me and so when I was here
in nashville I was going back.
So I moved back to texas whereI wasn't really like gone from
texas I was going back and forthto la.
I came back home and then Istarted going back and forth to

(24:33):
nashville and then they werehaving auditions in nashville
for the voice and then that'show I auditioned for the voice
was when I was here one timewhere did you?

Speaker 6 (24:42):
you finish Because you didn't win?
Oh no, I didn't With quarterfinals, Quarter finals.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
So that was when.
So I think season four is whenthey started making it, where it
didn't matter what team youwere on.
If you were the top eight, fourpeople could be from Blake's
team, but on season two they hadone person from each team.
So it kind of oh rather, Ithink the way that they did it

(25:07):
in season four was betterbecause it, like you wouldn't
just make it in the finale justbecause you were on adam's team.
You would actually make it tothe finale because you were the
top voted one.
Does that make sense?
Because it's like that's thecrappy thing about season two is
like I could have had morevotes than the person that made
it the highest on Adam's team,but he actually made it through
because he was the highest oneon Adam's team.

(25:29):
Does that?

Speaker 6 (25:29):
make sense to them.
Who did win, and are they?

Speaker 3 (25:31):
relevant, jermaine Paul won.
He was Alicia Keys' backupsinger and he's still doing a
lot of stuff.
He is, yeah, he's doing great.
I made it to the semifinals.
I actually remember when Ichoked on stage I was supposed I
sang If I Die Young and I hitthis note y'all, and it was so
awful.

Speaker 8 (25:51):
It's the curse of Bam Perry.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yeah, what?
Oh, don't say that.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
It's the curse of Bam Perry.

Speaker 8 (25:56):
I mean you just picked the wrong one.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Well, I was pissed off because I only sang rock
bangers.
I started off singing Hell onHeels.

Speaker 8 (26:07):
You sang she's Country, didn't you?
Yes, so I did Hell on.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Heels.
Then I did Wake Up Call.
I did a country version of WakeUp Call by Marin Five, and then
I did she's Country, and thenmy battle song is freaking If I
Die Young.
I'm about to die on this thing.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
Where was the bad note?

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Where was it?
Oh, it was put on.
Your best boys and I'll wear mypearls and I like my note.
I mean I hit it that time butit was like, put on, it was
awful.
And then my eyes just startedwatering up.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
And I was like I'm done.
But could you not hear I wasjust nervous and I was?
This is bullshit.
I was pissed that I was justnervous and I was.
This is bullshit.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
I was pissed that I was even in the bottom two and
like having to fight for my life.
The only thing, the only thingthat kept me going, was the fact
that I met Justin Bieber thatnight.
You know, like I rememberthinking I was like I got to
meet Justin Bieber.
It's okay, but it was so funnybecause right when I know.
But you know, another reasonwhy I was upset is because me
and Blake were obviously superclose and it was me and this

(27:05):
other girl and he had to pickbetween us and he picked her and
I was just so upset I was likeI thought you were my dog, bro,
but honestly, like if he wouldhave picked me.
It would have been bad because,like I didn't hit the note and
she whooped my ass, I mean likeher, I mean she, she killed, she
is are you and blake stillfriends?

Speaker 8 (27:23):
we're still friends.
Yeah, I love Blake.
You sing on Boys Around here,is that right?
I sing on Boys Around here.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
I sing on Buzzin'.
I've done a few little vocalthings with him.
Yeah, he's great.

Speaker 8 (27:34):
You know we talk about this a lot in here.
I wish that the female artistthing in Nashville it's gotten a
little tricky.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
It has.

Speaker 8 (27:43):
It's gotten a little tricky.
It has we talk about, thoughyou've got this cool edge to you
that I think will make youcontinue to cut through, though
I love that your show's greatEnergy You're bringing it.
It's really, really fun.

Speaker 6 (27:58):
Yeah, you're right, we have talked about it.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
I've been a big critic.

Speaker 6 (28:02):
Of the female.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
Well, I'd love to get .

Speaker 6 (28:05):
Ray's take on this because, like a bunch of guys
take, is that there are a lot offemales that don't have a true
identity.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
They might just be singers, I think there's more
girls that have anunidentifiable sound than there
are boys, but I think youdefinitely have an identifiable
sound, but yes, I would say Rayis a true artist.

Speaker 6 (28:24):
Oh, you definitely haven't identified the sound, I
would say Ray is a true artist.
What is your take on thedisparity between female?
You pulled it up something itwas like 8%, I forget what it
was.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
It was something very low.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
I think it's tricky.
I would say the biggest thingis I think people love authentic
, you know, and I think thewomen that cut through and I
think you're seeing a big youknow, just surplus of them now,
of girls that know who they are-and.

(29:02):
I think we were all trying tochase.
Just, you know, taylor was themecca of of country pop and I
think everybody was just tryingto figure out how to and
everybody like who's gonna bethe next?
I was like nobody needs to bethe next, whoever, you just need
to be the the best version ofyourself and I think that I can
speak on my behalf of, likefinding who I was helped me

(29:25):
break through and continue likeI've.
I've never had a number one onradio technically, but I've
continued to have a career forthe last 12 years and I've I've
never not made money, which issuch a blessing.
I mean, I have friends that havemultiple number one songs and
you don't know who the hell theyare and they can't sell out

(29:45):
shows, and I'm not saying I cansell out huge venues, but I can
at least make enough money tosupport this lifestyle.
And I bought a bus last yearand there was just things that
as an independent artist I neverthought I could do.
But I think it's when a femaledoes break, they break big
because it doesn't happen veryoften.
When a female does break, theybreak big because it doesn't
happen very often.

(30:05):
And you see it with like LaineyWilson and Ella Langley and
these women that are just comingup, and I think it's because
they're authentic and theircountry is hell and we needed
more like girls that were justlike not scared to say something
.
And I think the reason whyGretchen Wilson was so big and
Faith Hill, like those girls, Imean like I'll never forget

(30:27):
what's the song by Faith HillMississippi girl don't change
your ways, John Rich song yeahit's John.
I love John Rich, but you knowthose they were just normal girl
next door chicks, and I feellike that you're seeing that,
and I think for for guys likethere's so many I mean, I I'm

(30:48):
not a dude, but a lot of themand I think the reason why Jason
is still so big is because hisvoice is so unique and he cuts
through and his music soundslike Jason and I think a lot of
the guys they can, they can tendto sound alike, but that kind
of works for them because thenall of radio it's like it's it

(31:09):
makes sense.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 8 (31:10):
like it's that mold right as much of our problem as
we have with females right nowas far as getting female
headliners, we have the sameproblem with the male acts of
saturation if it's sounding thesame, you can't.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
you can't.

Speaker 8 (31:23):
It's another guy with a hat turned backwards, who,
who I you know named Brett, whoI can't you know tell apart.
Yeah, and they may be, like yousaid, your point, they might
have two number one hits.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
But like who's going to like see their shows Exactly
fan base, and like I mean, afterevery show I'm out there
shaking hands, kissing babies,like I love my fans, like I
don't care, and I even said thislike when I was on the road and
I've, I think, after I had um,I used to get in my head about

(31:55):
how many people would come to myshows until until I had my
daughter and I, because after,after I had her, I, I had a
whole new identity about life.
I was just like if this allwent to hell and I never put out
another song or did anothershow, I don't give a shit.
I love being a mom, I lovebeing a wife.
I'm so happy.

Speaker 6 (32:15):
Your perspective changes my perspective of life
changed.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
So when I went out on the road and I had an actual
agent who was actually making memoney, like when I was, and I
was playing, you know, someclubs, there were like 400, 500
people.
So when people like I rememberone one show it was 80 people
that showed up and it was abouta year and a half ago.
But if you would have, if thatwould have been me like eight

(32:38):
years ago, I'd have been like ohmy God, nobody hates you, but I
like went out there and I waslike, well, these 80 will tell,
hopefully 80 more.
And I went out there and it wasthe best show ever and we did
our big like.
We had a huge merch numberbecause everybody there bought
like two or three things.
It was just like people don'twant to do the work for the
small to gain the big.
And I think with any artist youhave to do the work and then

(33:05):
like and then it was so funnybecause that show was a week
before and then we played umspokane and I sold it was 1500
tickets.
We sold out the little becauseI've been there like six times.
So it's just like you've got toput in the work, but it's just.
Nobody wants to do that anymoreand, and there's something
about that.

Speaker 8 (33:20):
What they want to do now is you brought up a great
point, you know.
But you get that.
Get that because, like when wewere starting with Jason and
Hicktown was at 40 and we're outthere playing a thousand shows
a year.
You hit a pocket, you hit a.
You know.
I remember playing a club.
There's 20 people there.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (33:35):
But that mentality you have is important.
Like well, those 20 people aregoing to get their faces melted.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (33:41):
And then you might do 500 thenext night.
But those are the.
That's the magic time.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (33:46):
When you know you're you're on the cusp of of
something you know, which, whichyou definitely are.
I mean, we see you like I'll bewalking back and I'll see you
outside your bus doing like alittle meet and greet, or you're
doing your meeting, you'reshaking hands.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
It feels like you can't do that enough and I think
that just having respect forpeople and like and caring about
the people that care about youI, you can never over serve your
fans and the people that dothat for you.
I get irritated artists thattreat their fans like the scum
of the earth because I'm likebro, you wouldn't be here if it
wasn't for them.
You wouldn't have a career, youwouldn't be on that bus, you
wouldn't and I understandrespect, like absolutely, but we

(34:28):
wouldn't be here without fansand country music fans are the
best fans in the whole world whoare we talking about here?

Speaker 4 (34:32):
I don't know, well you know what?

Speaker 8 (34:34):
though they are loyal like if you put the work in
yeah to this market, and youstay true they'll never forget
you, they will you can have a30-year career.
Yeah, you said it you don'thave to be the biggest star in
country music to carve out awonderful career.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, and a wonderful lane.

Speaker 8 (34:49):
Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
And the fans are the reason why I feel like I've I
call it the second wind.
I feel like this last year anda half for me has felt like a
resurgence of just my vision formusic and the record and being
back on big machine after I wasthere when I was, you know, 18,
and being back with scotty b andmy whole team and like as a mom

(35:15):
and as somebody who's in thedriver's seat of my life and
career, on my terms it justfeels so great.
And then to be out, out withyou guys and Jason giving me the
opportunity to open up for himwithout really like I mean I
don't have where we're about togo to radio or we're gearing up
for country radio again, but itjust it really does mean the
world to me.

Speaker 8 (35:35):
Well, it's connecting , though, too, Like none of that
goes unnoticed, too, with theway that you're.
We've watched your show and theenergy and love your guys.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
They're so sweet.

Speaker 8 (35:44):
It's great and, like I said, it's a blast for us to
hang out with you guys and havea good time.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
That's how it's supposed to be.
Speaking of that, since you'reable to witness firsthand quite
a bit when you're out on theroad with Aldine and these guys,
who is the most prima donna-ish?
Is it Jason, or is it these two?

Speaker 3 (36:05):
It's definitely them two who needs them.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
That's what we thought but we weren't 100% sure
.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Thank you, for clearing this up for the
listeners, absolutely.

Speaker 6 (36:12):
There's never been a question on that.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
You heard it here what's your second favorite tour
to be on?
We know what the first one is.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Oh my gosh, there's been favorite moments for each
of them.
I would say probably my firsttour because it was a miranda um
, you know, I grew up onmiranda's music.
She I remember recording the cmtcountdown so I could watch me
and charlie talking her oh yeahit's great first single and, uh,

(36:42):
she was the first record Ibought with my own money and I
still, like get goosebumpsthinking about the fact that,
like you know, being on her tournot only as a fan, but then she
took me in like as a sister,like it was, that was a real,
that was a real wild time for me, especially like not.
I don't think every artist getsthat kind of experience that

(37:04):
quick me especially like not.
I don't think every artist getsthat kind of experience that
quick and um, and between herand blake, uh they were.
They both really helped mefigure out nashville and put me
in just really great rooms ofreally great people.
Um, but that tour was really fun.
It was.
It was a co-headlining tourwith her and dirks bentley and
then um, which was so much fun.
And then I went out with herfor a while and then I ended up

(37:24):
doing direct support for her forsome aren um, which was so much
fun.
And then I went out with herfor a while and then I ended up
doing direct support for her forsome arenas, which was really
sick.
So that was, that was a coolmoment and then I mean I went
out with um, so the tour thatyou know we're doing right now,
a lot of those venues I playedwith, uh, rascal flats 10 years
ago, oh wow, so it was so funny.
All the fans that came up to melook at this photo from 10
years ago.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Oh my god my hair.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Thank you for botox and lip filler.
I'm just kidding, but I youknow we're thinking about that.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Yeah, you should, you should do it.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
You know, my favorite part is when fans are like you
don't even look the same.
I'm like bitch.
That's the point.
I don't know do you think that Idon't know like I, I didn't
want lizard lips anymore.
Um, anyways, but I hate it whenthey think that that's like a
them being, whatever.
Anyways, it's still funny, butno, I um, flats was fun.
I'm trying to think of someother fun tours.

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I got to open up for garthbrooks for a show.
That was a crazy experience.
It was just acoustic, which Ithought was cool.
Like he only had openers, justthem, and a guitar, and that was
just a cool experience.

Speaker 8 (38:25):
Did he make you wear a headset mic?

Speaker 3 (38:27):
No, thank God.
One of my favorite shows waswhen I was opening up for Maren
Morris.
Actually, we talked about her alot.
She's a huge fan of ours, hugefan of me too.
Other than that, she did giveme some really great experiences
.
One of the experiences when Igot to open up for her and we
played royal albert hall um andum, that was a great.

(38:51):
That was a great show.
And singing love triangle atroyal albert hall, where the
queen of england has been, thatwas like a pinch me moment.
Um, I'm trying to think of somelike oh.
And another moment on stageI'll never forget is right after
I got like fired off the voicewhen Blayton didn't choose me or
whatever.

(39:11):
I was obviously upset and I wascrying.
And Miranda calls me and she'slike hey, stop crying,
everything's good.
She's like do you want to comeout next week and sing with me
at stagecoach?
And I was like what stagecoach?
And I was like do you want tocome out next week and sing with
?

Speaker 5 (39:24):
me at Stagecoach and I was like what's Stagecoach?
I had no idea what Stagecoachwas.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
And I was like, okay, and so then, literally I went
home for two days and then Iflew out and right like not even
a week and a half after beingeliminated off the Voice, I got
to play in front of you know,60,000, 70,000 people when we
did my version of Wake Up Callat Stagecoach, which was wild.

Speaker 8 (39:46):
Take that Blake.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
I know you talk about .

Speaker 8 (39:48):
Miranda.
I got to talk about her realquick Because she's.
It's funny you mentionedMiranda because you remind me of
Miranda.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
I'm going to go get a refill while you talk about
Miranda.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
I mean, oh, I thought , you said Hold on this way
we'll

Speaker 8 (40:00):
take a break.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
No, I thought you said Maren Moore.
Sorry, go ahead Continue.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
No we wouldn't, the Miranda thing.

Speaker 8 (40:06):
We toured with her 05 , 06.
We were doing littleco-headlining stuff and I
remember the first time we mether we played a show at some
little place and she's sittingthere chewing tobacco.
I'm like this chick is awesome,she's killer.
After Vegas happened.
I'll never forget this.
We've had a good run withMiranda.

(40:26):
She's done two or three songswith us After Vegas, the
shooting when we went back onthe road.
The first show was in Tulsa,which we just played.
She flew down for it and wasjust here hanging out with us
backstage just as a friend.
It took time out of her schedule.

(40:49):
You know, and flew down therewill always mean so much to us,
but that's the kind of personshe is she is 100 is, and it
sounds like she was a mentor anda confidante and it got me
thinking.

Speaker 6 (40:59):
It's like al dean's got a a lot of friends in the
business, but luke probably ishis really close friend.
Luke Bryan, do you havesomebody like that, or is the
women?
Are they a little too catty forthat?

Speaker 3 (41:13):
No, I think the whole women catty thing, first of all
, I've just never let that getto me If you don't like me, I
don't give a shit, I'm tooexhausted to care.
I know some girls like, whensomebody tries it, I just don't
give a shit, I don't.
And it's literally.
I've, and maybe it's becauseI've kind of I really have lived

(41:34):
in my own bubble a little bit.
I mean, I got married at 21.
Like I was, I've always beenlike just all about family and
kind of just keeping my mind ina good spot and I and don't
don't get me wrong there's beentimes when I've, you know, been
insecure about certainrelationships, especially with
women.
But as you get older,especially like I'm just like

(41:58):
we're all too old to to be cattyand it's like and if you don't
like me, I'm okay with it, andif you said something behind my
back, it was behind my back, soI really don't need to know
about it.
Like that's just how I feel anduh, but I will say for the most
part I feel like everybody, theones that are that way get

(42:18):
nobody wants to be around them.
But the good ones, like youknow, laney wilson's been a
friend of mine for a long time.
Um, she's so kind, ella's sosweet.
I don't I'm not really close toella.
I met her for the first time atthe opry um before look like you
love me, like blew up and butshe was the kindest of kind and
then and miranda even too, likeyou know, because I was friends

(42:41):
with them when, when her andblake were married and even
through their split, you know,was still so, so kind to me.
I didn't really know how thatwould be, because that was hard.
I think that was hard foreverybody, but they both really
did.
When I look at my first fiveand six years of being in

(43:02):
Nashville, they helped me somuch and miranda was such a
mentor.
I mean we wrote songs together,we were on tour together for so
long, and so was blake.
I mean blake just, and he'sstill like if I called him right
now, I know he would be therefor me and he's always cared
about what songs coming out, andnow he just wants photos of
daisy like you know, he lovesdaisy, and and even that part of

(43:26):
my life, like he's, like thiswill be the greatest thing
you'll ever do is be a mother,and like it's just so precious,
like it's just like that heknows what matters in life.
But I, um, you know, I've just Ifeel really really fortunate
and then, as, but now, I wouldsay my mentors are just kind of
like my peers, like Kane Brown's, one of my best friends, and

(43:47):
Kate Caitlin, like, and I'vebeen on tour with Kane a few
times, oh my gosh, kane andCaitlin are, and we have
daughters the same age and it'scool to see your friends just
their star rise and them staythe same, and that's how Kane is
.
Dan and Shay were some or some,or you know, they were some of
my first friends in nashville.
Um, I'm trying to think of whoelse.

(44:09):
I mean, I've just had so manylike friends that have just like
taken off um, but, and evenjohn party they're, they're my
neighbors too, john and summer.
But even britney, like britneywas a really me and britney got
close, probably like it wasright, when josh went off to the
military, my husband and um,and then I started hanging out
with her and jason and andobviously jason's close with

(44:31):
kane.
So it was just a really funlike girl, you know, hang with.
You know me, caitlin and brit.
But just, I think that's onething that we can all say about
country music is when you findyour people, you find them and
and you stick with them.
And I think this industry justgoes to show that.
And it's like this tour.
Like you know, I know that Iprobably wouldn't have had this

(44:52):
opportunity if I didn't have therelationship that I had with
Jason and Britt.
And obviously they know thatI'm a great artist and there's
music that I have that's great,but I think it's mainly because
I've you know we have a goodrelationship and they know that
I'm going to put the work in andbe easy to work with as well.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
So I think it's kind of unique a little bit to the
music industry like you'retalking about, um, like if
people have number ones like we,we do compete, but it's mainly
with ourselves yes, can we writea better song and things like
that.
But whether it's artists orsongwriters, if these guys have
a number one and Neil and Idon't, are we mad?
You damn right.
No, but we're excited for them.
Do you want to be on it, yes,but you're excited for them
because you know how it feels orwhoever it is, and so we really

(45:32):
don't.
we root against no one, which iskind of unique.
I don't think that's always thesame.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Like, if I were a realtor, do all the realtors
pull for each other?
I don't know.
No, not, because they'reindividuals.
We're individuals, but we stillplay for each other and if
anybody does root againstanybody, they don't last.
Like, think about the, the.
I think about the songwritersand I'm not gonna name any like
the songwriters that, like,don't ride with you unless you
have a single coming out orunless you have a record deal.
And dude, I, I has right now.
Like I didn't have a recorddeal.
For five years I was independent, working my ass off, yeah,
selling tickets.
Like I said, I freaking boughtmy own bus by the grace of God

(46:11):
and my father.
But like, do you think thatthey wanted to write with me?
Absolutely not.
They didn't give a shit aboutme.
And then, now that I'm signedto Big Machine again, it's like,
no, no, oh, you want to writeyou and like, and listen, and
listen.
I will write with whatever.
But it's like the people thatwere there for me through that
season of being independent and,like stood by me, like those

(46:34):
are the people I want to be withand who helped me create this
sound like.
So I, I wrote this record with aguy named um, I don't know if
you know of a band called underoath, but they're a huge like
screamo rock band.
Um, actually, the first time Iwent to a an under oath show
with some kids from youth group,when I was like don't, I told
this to aaron, he was so upset,um, but I was like 11, of course
, they're all like you know,mosh pit and I'm like I'm in

(46:58):
like my cowgirl boots and mysundress and I'm like this is
weird but cool.
I'm glad to be here.
Um, but anyways, but a Aaron is, um, even though he's in this
like screamo rock band, he is acountry boy from Florida and so
he like hit me up on Instagram.
He's like listen, and if you'rea drummer, like you know who
Aaron Gillespie is and you, alot of them look up to him

(47:20):
because he's so badass.
He's like this crazy redheadthroat you know, throat tattoo.
He's wild and he's like I wouldlove to ride with you.
I love love trying all of yourmusic and I, you know, and I was
like I'll ride with anybodyonce for sure.
Like I love meeting new peopleand, honestly, I like riding
with people that are left ofcenter.
Like I like, cause I know I'mgoing to be country, I know what

(47:42):
I'm going to bring to the room,like, but I I like reading,
writing with people that bringsomething different.
You know me out.
So anyway, so we wrote, and thefirst song we wrote was a song
called if I make it into heaven,and basically the song is you
know, a song I wrote about myhusband, who is like so precious
, like he's such a good dude,he's a badass, he's a green
beret, like he could kick yourass, but he like loves the lord,

(48:06):
like knows the bible back andforth, and you know I love jesus
, but like I feel, like I Ithought I knew the bible and
then I met this guy and I waslike I need to go to bible study
.
You know what I mean, and buthis family's just like real
tight knit, good, good crew, andso basically the hook is if I
make it into heaven, it'll bebecause of you, and it's talking
about a good man loving a wildchild and like, and so it's

(48:26):
literally our story of how wemet.
And so that was the first songwe wrote.
And the second song we wrote wasa song called long live country
music, which is the title of mynext record and um, and so I
was like, okay, is the magic inme and aaron riding together or
is it his production?
And so then there was a fewsongs that I wrote, like I wrote
this song with john rich andbob de piro and bob's a legend

(48:47):
called down and dirty, and um,and it was just like a guitar
vocal and I was like, I lovethis song, let's see what you do
with it.
And then he made it into thismap and I was like, okay, this
is actually this, is there'ssomething here?
And so, um, we just startedworking on this project together
and started bringing indifferent songwriters and um,
that I love and trust.
And and then, after we got donewith the record, um, we were

(49:11):
just gonna do it independentlymyself with, uh, my team at
jonas group, so the jonasbrother's dad manages me, kevin
jonas, who is a legend he's sogreat cool guy oh is he awesome
he is.
Kevin is the best.
I love kevin, um, but I had asong in my old catalog that was
over a big machine, boyfriendand Love Triangle that were

(49:33):
popping off on TikTok and Idon't really know how that works
, but the metrics were goingwild or whatever.
And so Scott was like our songsare doing great.
I was like, oh yeah, fun.
And me and Scott have alwaysScott Bruchetto, we've always
remained friends.
I had a single with ChrisJansen.
That was my song is.
What song was it?
It didn't do much, but we had,we had a song out, um, and so

(49:57):
he's always been there for me.
He's always been kind to me.
Anytime a song of ours has gonegold or platinum, he's always
reached out to me.
And that's how it is.
Like you never burn any bridges.
Like you just be kind, move on.
Sometimes things don't work outfor a reason.
That's how it is.
Like you never burn any bridges.
Like you just be kind, move on.
Sometimes things don't work outfor a reason.
That's okay.
And he was like do you have anynew music?
And I was like, yeah, I mean, Ihave this new project, um, you
know, but I'm putting it outindependently.
And he's like do you like, doyou have a partner?

(50:18):
And I was like I mean, I'mgonna put it out independently.
I'm my partner with kevin.
He's like, well, can I hear it?
And I'm like, if you give methe deal you want, I want you
can hear it.
And so him and Kevin got on thephone and then we went over and
played him the music and he'slike I won't let you leave
unless you come to Big Machine.
And like we finished what westarted.
And I was like, yeah, let's doit, and so we ended up going

(50:43):
with Big Machine.
Um, it's cool because I haveownership of my own music, um,
and then obviously I havecatalog over there too.
But, um, it really did startwith, you know, me believing in
what me and aaron were creating,and I think the reason why it
was so good is we didn't haveanybody telling us what it

(51:03):
should sound like or what itshould be like.
You weren't thinking about thebox.

Speaker 8 (51:07):
That's the thing like , sometimes like you gotta.
When you have that freedom ofthinking and creativity, you end
up finding your fingerprint,naturally and that feels like
from talking with you over thelast few weeks too, hanging out
like.
It feels like what you've done,you know and got to talk about
your husband too.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
He's awesome oh, I love josh he's like I miss him
when he's not around where'sfrightening and comforting very
large, same time very largehuman you know I love I think as
a, as a wife or like and I'msure you can feel this about
you're like your spouse.
When people love the person youlove as much as you do, it's

(51:43):
like, yeah, it's so rewardingand I I love he has made me like
the woman that I am today, forsure a question, sorry, tell it,
yeah, he joined the militaryafter you got married yeah, so
we that would be like for me.
I was reading that I wasthinking I'm not gonna lie.
Is that a negative sign is?

Speaker 1 (52:03):
it me he wants to go to basic training honestly he
probably needed a break from me.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
I'm, especially a younger version of me.
I'm a little tired now21-year-old me was like.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
I've got to get out of here.
Send me to the Middle East,send me to the Middle.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
East.
He's like put me on the frontline bitch.
I'm getting to go.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
I'll do it, Lord.

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Speaker 3 (53:45):
I think it was always something that he wanted to do.
It definitely was.
He'll tell you that and heneeds to be on his own podcast.
He's just Josh is like Anythinghe puts his hand to he's gonna
do.
And he got a full ride toBelmont.
So he went to Belmont forbaseball and all of his records
are still when you go down thebaseball halls.
Really, I didn't know thatabout him, of course he didn't

(54:07):
tell you.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
He's like he's a stud Like their baseball team has
sucked since they left.

Speaker 8 (54:20):
He was a pitcher and then he, I think, one of the
bases maybe second base, I don'tknow Like he did, he did, I
don't know it's he confided methat you just got to give him
time.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
He's like you just got to work with him a little
bit, he's got a cool ride.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Big leagues too, he went after.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Belmont.
After Belmont he got drafted toone of the farm teams for the
Cubs and he played with them fora few years and then he threw
out his arm.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Same thing happened to me.
Yeah, threw out his arm andthen he's always he's always
done.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Like the finance thing, like you know, stocks, I
mean it's way by my pay grade, Idon't know how any of that shit
works, um, and so he's, oh, hehad a, he got a, he got his
degree in business and stufflike that and business
management or financialmanagement, and so he's worked
for a company and then he justwasn't feeling I mean, when you
know, you know his backstory ofgetting a full ride in baseball
and then playing for the Cubs,he just didn't feel fulfilled in

(55:10):
an office, and I get that.
And so he was like I feel likeI'm called to more, and he
wanted to join the military andbe a Green Beret my brother's a
Green Beret and so he talked tomy brother about it and so he
figured out when he was 26, hejoined, we got married.
When he was was he 24?
About to be 25.

(55:31):
So we were married for a littleover a year and then he joined
and got through all the trainingand I mean that was a wild time
and so.
But he never was officiallydeployed.
He was about to be officiallydeployed and then the world shut
down and then we got pregnantand he decided that he was going

(55:52):
to get out.
But it was about six years yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Thank you, Josh, for your service.
That's amazing.
Josh is the best.

Speaker 8 (55:58):
The other night we were talking about it and I was
telling him we have so muchrespect for all the military,
but we have a lot of friends inspecial forces and the military.
Yeah, but we have a lot offriends and and special forces
and was and uh, I said, man, Ijust can't believe the amount of
training they do oh, it's why Iwas telling him like he goes.
Well, you know, I neverdeployed and I said yeah, but
dude, you're a warrior already.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Yeah, you're, you're a hero in our eyes, everybody's
eyes.

Speaker 8 (56:19):
Here I mean you.
You enlist, you put your, yourlife in their hands.
And but the amount of trainingthat they do around the clock,
dangerous training, just to beready.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
I mean the schools that they go through.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
It's shit people don't even know but he is a
great guy, even though he didn'tget deployed.
Though it's like those guys arewilling well, he's available
they've already made their mindsup.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
I said, like that's on your resume forever you are a
Green.
Beret, you're tabbed, you likethere's.

Speaker 8 (56:46):
Nobody can take that shit from you like you know, and
he's an amazing his, his person, like his, who he is, though,
oh he's so, he's magical,awesome yeah, like we miss him
when he's not around.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
We're like and I think that that's what they look
for, like we were talking aboutit, like for when it comes to
especially special forces andgreen berets.
They're looking for a type ofdude.
They don't want the douchecanoe, that's.
You know out there getting laidblowing up shit they want
somebody that's just as mentallystrong, as they are physically

(57:17):
strong and they want dudes thatare, have families, that are
married, that like have apurpose outside of themselves
and think very self, like youknow, not selfishly but very
selfless, and you know I what alot of green berets have that
same temperament that josh has.
I mean, so many people wentthrough that training and only
70 graduated.

(57:37):
Like a thousand guys wentthrough it and you hear about
the guys that don't make it, andit's the ones that you know.
You think that they'rephysically strong but they're
not mentally strong and, um, Ihave so much respect for our men
and women, especially the onesthat you know have had to go
through that.
I mean, like I'll never forget,I was on tour with was I on
tour with flats?
Was it flats?
No, it's.
Maybe blake shelton is blake,and then josh like left for for

(58:01):
training and I was just like,and it was right when my first
record came out.
So, like you know, I he was,and my record went number one on
Billboard country wild horseand I couldn't even tell him.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
What was the longest time that you couldn't contact
him since when he joined Almost?

Speaker 3 (58:19):
two months one time, or it was like eight weeks or
something like that, and he's mybest friend.
But also, I wish everybodycould live the life of a
military spouse for a couplemonths with the person that they
love, because it makes you lovethem so much more, waiting for
his letters me and the mailman,jimmy his name was Jimmy I would

(58:42):
literally just wait and be likehe goes.
You got a letter from Josh.
I was like, yes, and it's justlike Sit down, jimmy, let's read
it and I just and be like hegoes.
You got a letter from josh and Ijust like and I think the ones
that get me like like readinghis letters that weren't that
long, but it's just like I missyou and it like it makes me tear
up.
But it was just like I miss youand josh and it was just like
in a little like thing, but hestill sent it like and it just

(59:03):
you didn't have.
I don't know how much time hehad to write that, but he wrote
it because he missed me and it'sjust like people.
I wish people could experiencethat.
Yeah, yeah, that's awesome, he'sthe best.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
He is here's, josh, come on.
Hey, let's circle back, did I?
Oh, go ahead Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
You've been quiet.
No, I just didn't want you toget married.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Oh yeah, Everybody was telling me not to get
married.

Speaker 6 (59:26):
Oh, they don't want that they don't want to promote
a wife or a mom.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
Well, it's not that you know it's not that like I
know they think it would.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
I didn't know they would actually say it.
I mean, and at the time let's,when I think back on it you know
a 21-year-old getting married Ifeel like for me, like in my
childhood I had so muchuncertainty in my life and I had
so many like, especially likewith you know, the career path
that I chose.
I felt like it's not that Iknew what I wanted to do, but I

(59:56):
felt like with Josh, I was likethis is the one thing that I
know is right for myself and Idon't care what anybody says to
me, like I don't even care if Iget it wrong.
Let me go through my life andget it wrong, but what if I get
it right?
Like, and that's how I just Ihad that mindset.
I was like, okay if it doesn'twork out, okay.
But like I know, in this momentof my life right now, the way

(01:00:18):
that I feel with Josh is a piecethat I've never felt and it's
like a foundation that I'venever had in my life.
I mean, my parents were divorcedgrowing up.
Like I, I like am I just therewas just there was a lot of
rockiness and he was my steadyand I was like I need something
steady in my life and if Ididn't and I and I say this, I
don't even think I ever saidthis out loud on a podcast, but,

(01:00:39):
like, if I didn't marry Josh at21, I don't know what who I
would be today.
It wouldn't be this persontoday.
It'd be a very different personand not the person that God
created me to be.
And so, yeah, I mean, yeah, itwas definitely a rebel thing.
I mean they did not want me,and it's not that they were.
It was them giving advice toany new arts, like you know,

(01:01:01):
whatever but at the time, likeThomas Red just got married,
like, and obviously that wasworking out for him and I was
just like I know, this is myperson, but yeah, I didn't
really give a shit.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
I just did what I wanted to do?
No, it was.
It just shows you that recordlabels don't know everything
they don't.

Speaker 6 (01:01:18):
They don't Newsflash Breaking news here.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
I just want everybody to know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
No, but it's true everybody.
and at the end of the day, don'tlet, like people that are
running your career, tell youhow to run your personal life
like that's just wild like I andI'm grateful I had that sense
at 21 and you know, thank god Ihad that god gut and I have a
relationship with the lord and Iknow when I have peace about
something.
But, like, I do think of a lotof artists.

(01:01:45):
Let you know, people that sitin a chair like and at a big
label, tell them how to livetheir personal life and they
might have all these plaques ona wall but they're sad as shit
when they walk through theirdoor and have to come home to
real life and they're depressedwhen they're not on a stage in
front of fans getting that, youknow.

(01:02:05):
You know, dose of dopamineevery freaking night.

Speaker 6 (01:02:08):
I don't need that to be happy you gotta have a bigger
, you gotta have a biggerpurpose, like I'm not saying
that that's not awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Sure, hell, yeah, it's awesome.

Speaker 6 (01:02:18):
But you gotta have a purpose outside of that for sure
hey, let's go back, becauseyou've mentioned first of all
the song love triangle.
Yeah, like a few times yes andyou're talking about your
childhood a little bit.
There might be people here thatdon't know your story.
First of all, you're anincredible writer and part of
what sets you apart is that youcan write these songs that are

(01:02:38):
personal, emotional and all that.
So tell people about LoveTriangle, because you hear it,
you might think one thing.
It's another.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Yeah.
So I wrote that song withNicole Galleon, um, and Jimmy
Robbins and um, I just moved toNashville and I I think the
biggest advice that Judy Stakeygave me as a songwriter is I
remember when I first startedwriting songs, I would try to
fit this whole movie into threeminutes and she, when she broke

(01:03:05):
it down to me like this, I waslike okay, and it changed my, my
mindset on songwriting forever.
She goes how long is a song?
And I said three minutes andshe said how long is like an
important scene in a movie?
I was like probably like threeto four minutes.
She's like there is a differentsong for each part, for each
scene, because every emotionlike one.
If you got the whole like,she's basically saying like,

(01:03:27):
like, let's say it's a sad partof a movie, they have a sad song
and that's a happy part,whatever.
So she was like you don't haveto fit a whole, you know story
in three minutes, just write themoment.
And when she said write themoment, or that feeling, it
changed my perspective foreverbecause I was trying to make
everything fit, like this wholestory fit, and I was like, okay,
and so growing up, um, I'vealways wanted to write a song

(01:03:50):
about growing up in a divorcedhome and filling that balance,
and I never knew what the right,the right way to approach it
was.
And so I had the title on myphone love triangle.
And, um, at the time, like I waswriting a lot of sassy songs, I
was like, oh, this is gonna beabout me, you know, and a love
triangle, maybe liking twodifferent guys.
I'm like that's not mypersonality.

(01:04:11):
I've never done that in my life.
And so we were going throughtitles or whatever, and I was
having the toughest day with myparents that day and I almost
didn't show up to the rideactually, and the only reason
why I showed up is because theywere my friends and I knew that
I could be myself.
But if it would have been a newduo, I would have said no.

(01:04:33):
And so I get in there and I'mkind of just talking about my
day and I was like you know whatI'm?
Just I'm sick of feeling likeI'm 19.
I live 12 hours away and how amI still in the middle of these
two, my two favorite people inthe world?
And I was like, but you knowwhat?

(01:04:53):
I want to write a fun songtoday.
I don't want to be sad.
And so I started going throughmy titles and I said Love
Triangle and he was playing that.
He was just playing that whilewe were singing and you know,
like every songwriter, they'rejust you know dwindling.
And that while we were singing,you know, like every songwriter
, they're just, you know,dwindling.

(01:05:14):
And then we quickly were likethat's the song, like being
stuck in a love triangle betweenyour mom and your dad and, um,
we wrote that song in likeliterally two hours and I, that
was the song that changed mylife in nashville.
Um, when that song like when,when publishers started hearing
that song, when labels startedhearing that song and I was
already signed too, that's wheneverything started changing in

(01:05:34):
my orbit and songwriters,writers that I wanted to write
with, wanted to write with me.
And I feel like that was thefirst song that I was really
vulnerable and I felt like kindof gave me that stake that, oh,
I can write more than you know.
The fun bubble gum.
That was easy for me, but I hadactually something to say, and

(01:05:55):
I love Love Triangle because itwas a slow burn.
That song, like you know, it'sjust continued to do well, it's
continued to have success in itsown way.
I want to re-release it and putit on country radio, like
that's my hope for that well, Ido think that it lost an
audience like there's.
So I mean it gets a resurgenceon tiktok every year and it's

(01:06:16):
had thousands and thousands oflike.
I mean it's gone gold.
I mean it's getting close, Imean it's it's still doing so.

Speaker 6 (01:06:23):
Well, it's an impact song without having chart
success.
Yes, there is a big difference.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Yes, and I wanted to ask.
And, like Curtis said, I mean,it's a brilliant song, it's
written perfectly.
I heard it for the first timethis morning, first time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Because I was researching you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
I'm upset.
Everything you, I thought Iliked you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
but don't know, You're already on the cusp.
Started with the young wife.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
No, but it's the first time I heard it and I
watched the video at the sametime.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Oh, don't watch the video.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
No, but my thought was, as just the first time,
listen is.
I wonder how many marriages,how many couples or emails that
you've got, or people that talkto you.
That didn't leave a situation.
Maybe the husband and wifeweren't getting along
excellently.
But then they hear that songand think about those kids and
think you know what, we can betogether.

(01:07:13):
I just wonder how manythousands of lives that that?
Song has blessed.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
I've had quite a few people say that like there's
been a few fans where theirdaughter would walk away and the
mom would come up to me and shesaid I stuck it out in my
marriage because of your songand because of that little girl
right there and I'm just like uhyeah uh, fans will get me, man,
um.
And then I had this one womancome up to me and said, um, that
her husband was like dealingwith like bipolar stuff and um,

(01:07:43):
and she was like you know, itwas really hard to stay on it,
to stay with him and staytogether.
She's like, but your song LoveTriangle, she's like.
I just couldn't.
When I heard it, I was like Iknow that God can get me through
this and I know that I canfigure it out.
And she's like, and my husbandwas just on the wrong medication
and we figured it out and nowwe're the happiest we've ever

(01:08:05):
been and she's like, but like,but I almost didn't make it
through it and it's just like.
That's the power of songwriting,though.
That's the power of music, Ithink.
I think what we all realize in2020, when all of our freedoms
are stripped from us, is likehow powerful it is when we all
come together and we singtogether and we release music
like.
I think we were all like, sosad because music really is so
powerful and like.

(01:08:25):
We need it.
We need it to connect with eachother.
We need it.
Like it, we wouldn't be herewithout it, and so I, um, I love
.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
Triangle was definitely that pivotal moment
for me, with my fans and and thesongs I just we can say, we can
say as songwriters and I cansay this, and I know kaylo can,
I know two can.
It's like we write these songsfor a living.
It's our job, and I know youfelt it too it's like we do it
when we move on to the next songand it doesn't really hit home

(01:08:56):
until we get to talk to somebodywhose life it affected, and
that could be two years down theroad.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
And we've all had those songs, yeah, and it
changes our.
It keeps us going.
It changed.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
We don't take it for granted as much as we used to
and it's not like when you dofind a special song, I don't
want to just write a song.
To write a song, I want towrite a special song.
Like you know, I can sing mynew songs all day long, but on
stage with with aldine, when Isay I want to thank you guys
that have been with me from dayone, y'all sing this next one
with me, love triangle they getthe loudest when I say I'm gonna

(01:09:33):
sing love triangle and theylove the new shit but it's not
out yet.
But it's my older stuff thatlike, or love triangle, those
songs that have connected, and Ithink I mean, I'm sure, as a
songwriter, I mean you're alwaystrying to find the next song
and whatever, but you shouldalways like be grateful for the
really great ones that you do.
Right, because not everybodygets those.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
We're all human.
I lose appreciation for what wedo for a living.
I lose appreciation for ituntil I get to talk to somebody
that it affected.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
You know, and help turn their life around a little
bit.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Well, and I like the titles too, because like being,
you know, an idea guy alwaysthink about what titles would
look like on a strip ad andwould it make somebody want to
hear it Like bra off?
I saw that this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Can't tell you what I thought.

Speaker 7 (01:10:20):
It changed my life?
No, but I'm saying I wascurious, I listened to it and I
thought okay, how did they dothat?

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
What's it about?
And then I listened to it and Isaid, oh, it's totally good.
Breaking up with you is liketaking my bra off Freedom,
freedom, that's awesome.
No, I always like.
My thing with music is I alwaystry to have like some twist to
it.
I don't ever like, want you tofigure out what I'm going to say
Like I always want you to belike oh, that's funny you know,

(01:10:53):
I don't know, maybe it's mysense of humor, I don't know,
but you're doing it.
You're a great writer.
Oh, she's incredible.
There's a, there's a few,there's actually a song I'm
really pumped about.
That's gonna be on my christmasproject.
Um, and I can't believe I'mtalking about but it'll be on my
christmas project, so I don'tcare, but it's called the barn
and it's basically it's talkingabout, like, the birth of jesus.
You know he was well, he wasborn in a stable or whatever, um

(01:11:13):
, but it's basically talkingabout like all these moments
that you like had the barn, likeyour first cigarette, your
first kiss, your first, this,your first that, the moments you
talk to god and relating thatto jesus being born in a barn
and like all the.
It's like one of the coolestsongs ever.
It was like, but it's just like.
But like it's my I mean, wealways say that our last song

(01:11:34):
but it's just like watching uslike a song come to life, like
that Like, and it's songwritingis so fun.
It's like putting a puzzle piecetogether and making it work and
making you feel something.

Speaker 6 (01:11:48):
But yeah, it's a uh, it's super cool let's talk about
one of the other songs that mayhave, I guess, had some
controversy over it, which seemsodd to me and coming from guys
that have written a song withsome controversy.
Um, she chose me.
Yeah, uh, another song, butapparently some pro-choicers

(01:12:10):
thought that that was the otherside of the argument.
Yeah, but it's a very personalsong.
Yes, can you talk about howthat came?

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
about Very, very personal.
So I was a couple years into mymarriage and I started just
asking questions about my likebecause my mom and dad got
married.
Um, I thought they were alreadypregnant with me, but they were
actually pregnant with me andthen they got married after that
and my mom was, um, married for12 years.

(01:12:38):
Um, her and her husband were ina split and then that's when
she got pregnant with me, withmy dad and, um, you know, my mom
, she, like I, said she had fourkids with her first husband and
when she found out she waspregnant with me, she, she was
just like I just don't know if Ican have this kid with this guy

(01:13:00):
, that I'm not in love.
And she, you know, set theappointment to have an abortion.
Um, and not a lot of peopleknew that she was pregnant,
except her husband at the time,I think maybe my dad did, and
then one other, maybe my, maybemy aunt, her sister, and so when

(01:13:23):
she was headed there, um, oneof her friends had a dream that
she was pregnant and called her.
She was headed there um, one ofher friends had an, had a dream
that she was pregnant andcalled her and was like hey, are
you?
You know, are you carrying achild?
And she was like, yeah, andshe's like, well, I don't know
what you're about to do, but Ijust want you to know that, like
, that child's gonna be thelight of your life and she's
gonna change.
Like you don't think she Idon't even know if she said she,

(01:13:44):
but if you, you do this, youwill never.
There'll be a day that won't goby that you won't think about
that child.
And so my mom decided not tohave an abortion and she decided
to keep me, and but I didn'tfind this out till, like, I was
in my mid twenties and I don'tknow, I've always been, I've

(01:14:06):
always been somebody that's beenpro-life, um, you know, I've.
I feel like to me, the unbornare the ultimate underdogs.
Like, and I've always beensomebody that's that's fought
for the underdog.
When I was in school, and ifsomebody was being made fun of,
I would kick somebody's ass thatmade fun of anybody.
Like, I sat with kids that werenot the cool ones.

(01:14:26):
I've always just loved beingfriends with anybody that nobody
wanted to be friends with,because I knew it.
I got bullied in school too.
I hated bullies, and so to me,the unborn.
Nobody's there to fight forthem.
They don't have a voice.
And so when I found out that,when I found this out, this part
of my story, I was like that.
Like when I found this out,this part of my story, I was

(01:14:47):
like shit, you're telling me Ialmost didn't exist.
Like you're telling me that,like Josh almost didn't have a
wife, daisy almost didn't have amom, like I just started
getting like I saw the truerealization of what life means
and you're taking somebody'schoice away from them of life.
And listen, I can get alongwith anybody, I can talk to

(01:15:13):
anybody.
I love hearing people's stories.
I'm somebody.
Let's sit down and let's hashit out, let's talk about it.
But one thing you can't takeaway from me is my story, and
God gave it to me for a reason.
And when I found out that thatwas you know the reality of my
situation I knew that God hadgiven me that for a reason.

(01:15:34):
And instead of being sad aboutit, I was like well, first of
all and I always process thingsby writing about it and um, so I
wrote this song, um, the songcalled she chose me and I wrote
with Joshosh thompson oh, yeah,so good I mean, when I told them
what I wanted to write aboutthat day, josh, I thought that I
was like.

(01:15:54):
I thought he was gonna be likeno, I read that was gonna be
crazy.
And I was like, if we do thissong the right way, I know it's
gonna be special, because mything is is I didn't want to, I
didn't want to bully the motherlike I wanted it to be.
If it went the other way,nobody would have blamed her.
Like, think of all the small.
Like, think of it is the easychoice, but it doesn't mean it's
the right choice.
And I that's the way I wantedto write it where it's like

(01:16:17):
because I have so muchcompassion for my mom and how
she felt in that moment.
Like she was in a freakingbible belt church.
You know her going in therepregnant and like I, I can't
imagine the shame that theselike like and that's awful.
Like we should never anybodythat's like.
You know, like any unwedmothers like we, we as the

(01:16:37):
church, we as people, shouldtake care of those women like
that's our job.
Are you a freaking christian ornot?
Like, don't even get me startedon my soapbox with that.
So it's just like, you know.
But to even feel like you haveto make that decision for like
it's just, it breaks my heartbecause there is so much around
it.
But anyways, I really wanted toride it from a non-judgmental

(01:16:57):
stance and I feel like that'sone thing that I love about she
Chose Me is it's not judgmental,it's just my story.
And I said, if we stick to thestory, it's not.
And of course it became that.
Yeah, but I don't let peoplelike try to run over me because
I'm like you can't take my storyaway from me.
This is the my life, I lived it,this is my song.

(01:17:17):
I lived it and um and it's so.
I teased it on social media andI almost didn't put it on my
record.
And this is like where jesuscomes in.
He always comes in, but I Ididn't want to put it out
because I didn't want to becontroversial and I had three
dreams every night I was pickingsongs from my record and I was
talking to my manager and I waslike going through my singles or

(01:17:38):
my songs and she chose me wasalways a song that I said this
was in your dreams, in my dream,in my dream and I had the first
night and I was like all right,whatever you're saying, god,
I'm not putting it on my record,whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:17:49):
Second, time I had it .

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
Third time I had the same exact dream three times in
a row wow and I was like, allright, god, I'm not gonna not
listen to you, like whatever.
And then I was just like I wasthinking about the way I would
talk about it on a podcast,thinking about, and I was like,
well, nobody can take my storyaway from me.
Like this is just like ifyou've been abused or if, like
you know, nobody can take awayfrom what you've been through

(01:18:10):
and that's not controversial,like to me, like your story
shouldn't be controversial.
And johnny cash saying abouthard shit, loretta lynn, like
all these amazing countryartists, have sung about really
hard things, and I sung aboutlove.
I mean, love triangle was mysong.
So I was like god has equippedme for this and so, anyways, I
put it on the record and I waspregnant at the time when my

(01:18:31):
record Baytown came out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
And it was my first independent release, and so,
right when the song came out,over 250,000 videos were made
within a week on TikTok andInstagram of women telling their
stories and people choosinglife, and my favorite ones were
kids that have been adopted andthen just thanking their

(01:18:57):
adoptive parents for theirbiological parents, for choosing
to give them life and then themgiving them in the hands of
people that won.
Think about how many like I have.
So I know, so I know fourcouples right now that would
give anything to be a parent andit's like so there's, you know,
there's definitely a space forit, but it just that song, and

(01:19:18):
that's why I always say like,whatever your, whatever your
truth is like and I hate whenpeople say that's my truth, but
but like whatever, like you'vegone through, write about it,
because it will connect tosomebody and when it does, it
could in a major way and itcould change your life, but
change their life too.
And to be able to have a songthat you know is somebody's

(01:19:40):
story, like that, and I'm superthankful that I put it out, you
know, I would have beenregretful if I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
How did that topic come up?
You said you were around 20when your mom told you or you
learned.
It seems like I might've beenwilling to take that to my grave
, like how did that come up?

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
It was kind of a difficult way it came up and I
don't want to get into like thenitty gritty of that, but, um,
it was unfortunate the way itcame up, but my, my husband, was
there to help me navigate it,which was really special.
So, okay, yeah, it was, but itwas.
I think it was really my dadnever wanted me to find out and
so I think my dad would havetaken it to his grave.

Speaker 8 (01:20:18):
You know, it's a crazy part of life, yeah lately
I've been thinking about thatwhere you, when you're, you're
growing up and your parents are.
You know, my parents weredivorced as well, but you're
still your parents, so they'rethey're on this kind of pedestal
they are and there's aninteresting part of life when
you realize that your parentsare just people they're human
yeah, and that and that they'vehad to learn and go through

(01:20:38):
things as well made mistakes andyou know, and that's an
interesting part of life, though.
When that just like a lightswitch for me was, like you know
, years ago, I'm like, wow, my,they're just people who were
trying to figure out.
My mom had me and she was 20years old, you know 21.
So it's interesting, you startto figure that out.
Yep, you know that they had tonavigate tough stuff too and

(01:20:59):
they're growing up.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
I mean like, yeah, I mean I, like I said, and my mom,
my mom, grew up in apentecostal church.
Like she was like, like youknow, whatever, and then she
left the church.
It was just like there was somuch.
And my dad was recently savedand like it's just my dad, like
my dad owns his own tire company.
He's owned his own tire company.
He was 23.
My dad is epic, he's fromLouisiana, he's Kunas, he's

(01:21:30):
awesome, such a different timeand like they were just figuring
it out too, and um, but, yeah,I but, and I've had so many
amazing fans that have, like,talked about that song and um,
and I've gotten, I got to go tomar-a-lago and I was, um
presented with most influentialmother of the year by mothers of
america, um, which was so crazy, crazy to be in a room full of
women that have fought for life,and I've gotten to do some

(01:21:52):
things with live action.
So it really opened a lot ofdoors for me in that field too,
which was really cool.

Speaker 6 (01:21:57):
We're super proud of you.
Thank you, that's seriously thestrength.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Thank you, that's incredible.

Speaker 6 (01:22:02):
Let's kind of wrap it up with this Current single is
Heaven is a Honky Tonk right.
Let's talk about that so peoplecan be aware of it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
So Heaven is a Honky Tonk is my new single, and I'm
about to release a song in liketwo weeks.
I think it's the night.
Wait, what's Bridgestone?
We're playing August 7th or 8thso this song comes out the 8th,
okay, and it's Long Live CountryMusic title of my project.
And, um, I mean I'm just superexcited.
We're gonna figure out whichone's gonna go to radio.
We haven't decided yet.

(01:22:29):
I'm just like letting the lordlead and like figuring out kind
of what do they say?
Let's see what raises its hand.
I guess we're seeing which oneraises its hand or its leg, I
don't know.
But I, um, I love, uh, I lovelong live.
I mean long live has beenheaven, is a honky Tonk, is
badass.
I mean it's great, but to me itwas always like the bridge to

(01:22:52):
really what this project is.
And Long Live Country music is,just like you know, punching
you in the face.
I'm here to stay.
I will kick your ass.
It's so good.
Like the bridge is.
I walk that line like Johnny,but I'll do it looking like
Dolly, like it's just like youknow it's.
It's a really fun song.
Um, but I'm super excited aboutthis music.

(01:23:13):
I feel like it's the perfectmix of, you know, my spunkiness,
but also like I feel like withall my music there's been this
edge to my voice that's alwaysbeen maybe tuned out a little
bit and over produced, and Ithink one thing that um, aaron I
mean, by the way, I love allthe music that I've done, but

(01:23:35):
when I listen to this music Ihave so much rasp in my voice
that didn't get left behind andI love that.
And it's like you know, it's sohard to carve out your own lane
, and so I feel like this thisnext project is um is really
special because it just it's sohard to carve out your own lane,
and so I feel like this nextproject is really special
because it's really country butit's really rock and really fun
and I'm just really freakingproud of it and I just can't

(01:23:56):
wait for the fans to hear it.
But it still has that heart.
I think we're going to have oneballad on the whole project,
which is hilarious.
I was just sick of writing sadsongs.
I like, I was just, I'm not asad person, I'm just like you
know.
But like, um, we might have onemore.
But, uh, if I do do anything,I'd like to recut love triangle
with like another artist orsomething like that.
I think that giving it anotherperspective would be kind of

(01:24:19):
cool.
But yeah, I'm, um, I'm reallyexcited about it.
It's gonna be, it's gonna becool and I'm putting on a
christmas project later thisyear and um, but I have a lot of
faith in long live countrymusic in this record.
Um, I think it's gonna do doreally well and aaron gillups be
is a badass and um, we allgotta write soon.

(01:24:39):
Hopefully you guys want towrite with me and if not, we
will not talk again.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
You've been here.

Speaker 4 (01:24:43):
I got like five times I am, oh, I'm a walking I might
let you in on them.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
I don't know, I'm a walking like literally there's
no telling what the hell I'mgonna say, like my aaron always
just keeping his phone out whenI'm when I'm around yeah, yeah,
we were hoping that, like whenyou said earlier, like the
people that wrote with you, youknow, back in the day and then
then they didn't write with youand they waited.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
I hope I'm not one of those guys.
Well, you're not, because I'mmeeting you now, right?
So that's what I was hoping.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
So if we never had written with you at all, then
that's still new dude, I listen.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
I hope you want to write okay like, let's do it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
We've already talked about it, we do, we do for sure.
What's your football team?

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
so it's Tennessee, yes, tennessee, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
Well, it was LSU because of my dad, but when I
got married to my husband.
Touch the jersey behind you.
Please Just touch the PeytonManning jersey.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Thank, you, but it's Tennessee because obviously I've
lived here for 12 years and myhusband's a Tennessee fan.

Speaker 7 (01:25:39):
I didn't want him to leave me.
I love Tennessee.
I love Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
Where's?

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Josh from.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
Josh is from Georgia, but his family grew up in
Tennessee, josh is from Georgia,but his family grew up in
Tennessee.
One thing that I love is thathis family held the line in
Georgia, because GeorgiaBulldogs fans, please don't tell
me you're a Bulldogs fan.
Well, you have Jason.

Speaker 6 (01:25:57):
Yeah, my wife went there, so it's like and listen.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
They're just but the fact that they held the line as
Tennessee fans in Georgia,because my father-in-law is a
pilot for Delta, so they movedwhen he was in his you know like
late 20s to Atlanta.
But they're all from Tennesseeand so my Josh is one of seven
too.
He's the middle of seven kidsand his like.
He has a musical family too,like his uncle's.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
Michael W Smith oh, really didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
Seriously oh you should have Josh on the podcast.

Speaker 6 (01:26:27):
No, I told him he was going to have his own podcast.
We love Josh.
We miss him.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
No, like Josh's uncle .
So Michael W's wife, debbie, ismy father-in-law's sister.
Wow.
So friends, of friends forever.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
I mean, what doesn't Josh do?
I know?

Speaker 8 (01:26:47):
Financial advisor, baseball player, American hero.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
Green beret, friend of us, another one of those guys
that makes us feel small.

Speaker 8 (01:26:56):
He's a really great guy, seriously, though.
I know I told him the other day.
I said you're coming to thepodcast, right?
I thought he was going to behere.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
I know he had to work .
I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
We have to have all Green Berets, as many as we can.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
No, we're going to have him actually on his own,
he's just you know, tell him I'mreally funny, because that's
all I care about.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
I'm like do you think I'm funny?

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
He's like yeah, you're so funny we don't really
have the same humor, but we kindof do.
I mean, he's been dealing withmy bullshit for 10 years.
He's probably over me.
We've been married for 10 years, which is wild isn't that crazy
.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
It went by fast, didn't it?
It went by so fast.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
I was like we like woke up and I was like, holy
shit, it's been 10 years and ourdaughter will be 4 in September
how many kids do you have?

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
I only have one.
No, I know how many you have.
How many are you going to have?

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
I would like two or three.
Yeah, three, I think, is themagic.

Speaker 6 (01:27:48):
Does he know that?

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:27:50):
You're about to tell.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:27:52):
But also I love your perseverance in the business,
though, Thank you.
Like we were talking about theother night, and it was like you
know, look, if it was easy,everyone would do it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Oh my god.
But yeah, keep going and andthe the perseverance is is.
That's inspiring and you can't.
I mean, there's been timeswhere I wanted to give up and I
think another I hate to bring upagain.
But, josh, I was like there wasa time I was like I just don't
want to do this anymore.
I'm exhausted, I'm tired.
Nobody cares, nobody wants toride with me, everybody's
blowing me off, like, and therewas, of course, a few people in
the business that wouldn't letme.
But then josh was like, you know, selfishly, that'd be great,

(01:28:31):
but also it's like this is whatgod's called you to do, like you
are meant to write songs andput them out and and do this and
and you, just you gotta havepeople around you that don't let
you give up too, because it'seasy to give up on yourself, but
you gotta have an army ofpeople that are like, believe in
you and your talent, that say,no, you are called for this, you
are made for this, and um, andI just I'm, I'm super grateful

(01:28:53):
if I mean, if I wouldn't have, Iwouldn't be where I'm at today,
you know, and um, but itperseverance is, and I always
like in my mind I was like whatif I'm just six months from my
breakthrough?
I'm like, I'm like I'm a musicaddict straight up, like I'm
like a song addict, I'm like I'dbe like want to give up, and
then I'd write a great song.

Speaker 8 (01:29:08):
Be like oh god, I love music again like you're
really only one great song andone moment away from your
breakthrough and I think thatpeople don't realize that like
you never know when that daywill be, when you don't know
when you might, might write it,and there is, you know as much
as we say national supportive.
I I do think it is supportive.
There's also an underbelly ofit, like you said, that isn't
like not wanting to write withsomeone because they don't have

(01:29:31):
a deal at that point, or, youknow, we've all had those breaks
.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (01:29:35):
Like at some point, you know, everyone was starting
out at some point.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
You're right.

Speaker 8 (01:29:39):
You know, you can look back years and years and
you look at the people that werethere for you and, like I know,
for me and Kurt specifically,guys like Dave Lee Murphy, who
we saw yesterday, Mike Delaney,who's very close to us.
Those guys wrote with us whenwe were just session players and
we weren't really writing a lot, but they still wrote you know,
josh Thompson, another one.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
Josh Thompson.
Josh Thompson wrote she ChoseMe when I didn't have a deal or
anything.

Speaker 8 (01:30:05):
I think those people are the ones that you end up
keeping.

Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
You don't forget.

Speaker 8 (01:30:09):
Yeah, in the circle that they'll be there for you
regardless.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (01:30:12):
Which that part of the town I do love, you know,
because there's a handful ofpeople that that you know would
really do want the best for you,you know, and they want to be
there for you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
Yeah, through that journey and it's like I don't
know I've, I really do.
I'm so grateful because I canlook and I and I see also the
genuine friendships you have andyou, I want to know who has my
back.
They're thick and thin.
And then, especially like Imean I feel like the last couple
years have been kind of crazywith the industry and like

(01:30:43):
knowing, being nervous, totiptoe around and say this or
it's like no, it's like y'all,like we're all gonna do what we
want to do, we're all gonna putout we want to put out, we're
gonna say we want to say and weall support each other, like you
know, and if you don't, that'sfine, and I think people are
really coming into their own,which is cool, um, but I'm I'm
really grateful for my friendsin this business and songwriters

(01:31:03):
, and well, we're lucky to knowyou, oh my gosh, you're so sweet
.

Speaker 4 (01:31:06):
No, it's great great to meet you, thank you I'm a
huge fan.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
Now I was a fan funny after after meeting you do you
think?

Speaker 4 (01:31:14):
I'm more funny no, I think you're fantastic.
I think you're fantastic, Ithink you're well-spoken, thank
you.
You're witty, thanks Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
I can't wait to talk through these titles.
Man, see what kind of songs youwrite, if you can get him off
the golf course.
Oh shit.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
I mean, that's the first challenge.
Hey, you've got to come play mygolf tournament this year.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
All right, I have a Raylan Diabetes Fund tournament.

Speaker 6 (01:31:38):
Kid.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
Rock played it last year, so hopefully I can get you
.

Speaker 6 (01:31:41):
Wow, she did that to you?

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
I did that to you.
Well, Bob played it.
Yeah, well, Bob played it.
This is Bob Thornton.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
I love Bob.
Talk about a fun dude.

Speaker 6 (01:31:50):
There's Bob, and then there's Kid Rock.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
Oh believe me, we know the difference too, yeah
yeah I love them both.

Speaker 8 (01:31:56):
It depends when you get them, each one of the
funniest things.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
Okay, I do have to tell a story.
So we were at bob's house forum.
It was I think it was amemorial day weekend and it was
my first time to meet theovaughn.
You know thea, oh yeah and um,like me and my husband are huge
fans of Theo.
Like he is hilarious.
I was almost kind of likenervous to meet him and like and
like me and Josh like send eachother videos of Theo all the

(01:32:23):
time, Cause I just love how he'suncancellable.
Like and you know it's becausehe's genuine.
I think, if you're genuine, likehe's just, he is who he is.
But, um, so Josh was shootingthe show with them and they were
talking about like life, andhe's like so how did you and ray
meet?
And josh was like, oh, we metat church.
And then theo goes oh the lord,strip club baby.
And then, of course that'samazing josh just started dying

(01:32:47):
laughing.
He was laughing a little toohard.
I'm like quit laughing.
It was so funny.
Oh, lord, strip club baby.
And uh, and then our girlfriendwas pregnant and she had had
really massive boobs and hecommented on that.
It was just great have youheard him sing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
Who.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
Theo, I bet he can actually sing.
Is it actually good, have y'allheard him?

Speaker 6 (01:33:05):
sing.
I did not know that was a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
Oh my God, is it actually a.
Thing?

Speaker 4 (01:33:09):
No, the dude can.
Are you serious?
He can bring it.
There's video footage of himsinging in a worship service.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
Is that AI or is that real?

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
No, it's got to be real.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
Is it the adult baby?

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
No, no no, I like the adult baby version.

Speaker 4 (01:33:25):
I don't think it's real.
It has to be him.
It has to because it's tooperfect.
It matches his speaking voice.

Speaker 6 (01:33:31):
Fake AI Fake news.
Fake news.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
Fake news baby.

Speaker 4 (01:33:36):
I bought it.
If it's fake, then I'll fakenews give me the die cut button.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
Hey, I bought it.
If it's fake, then that I mean.
But anyways, that was one of mymost favorite moments ever,
like it was just.
It was hilarious, it was funny,it was funny.

Speaker 6 (01:33:47):
I, like these guys, says we're fans, we're friends,
we'd love you.
I appreciate y'all.
We're gonna have a fun summer.
See you in a couple days.
I know we'll.
We'll see you.

Speaker 8 (01:33:53):
We'll play Watershed.
That'll be fun.
Watershed's great.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
Watershed's great.
I haven't played it since 2018.

Speaker 8 (01:33:58):
Hey, any, any.
Brian O'Connell, who's ourbrother and who's heads up Live
Nation Country Division.
He's his festivals, did I tellyou?

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
my Brian O'Connell story.

Speaker 6 (01:34:11):
Do it.
Oh yeah, I mean go ahead Did.
Did we tell you yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
First of all, brian is.
You know he's a badass, but heis a sweetheart too, oh yeah.
And I'll never forget.
I was on tour with Miranda andI have type 1 diabetes I was
talking about my diabetesfoundation earlier but we were
in a van, we were doing the vanthing.
We wanted to afford a bus thatyear but we just couldn't afford
it.
Obviously I was like makingnothing and so couldn't afford

(01:34:39):
it.
Obviously I was like makingnothing and so, um, and we
couldn't get a sponsor becausenobody did sponsors back then,
and so I, um, I had had a, sowe'd have lack of sleep.
We'd gotten up at like 2 am todrive to our next show and I had
a like my sugar dropped and Iwent into, I had a diabetic
seizure at a.
Um, at some we're at some gasstation or whatever.
And so, you know, getresuscitated or whatever, I'm

(01:35:01):
fine, I get to the hospital,ended up making it to the show
and played the show with mirandathat night.
I was like, did not, you knowI'm wild, you know we did it, um
, but my first manager was awoman named carrie, uh, hansen,
she managed, uh, the judds, andthen winona judge, she did all
her career and she was mymanager for about eight years,

(01:35:21):
uh, before I went with kevin, um, and we parted ways in the most
beautiful way.
It was just, you know, shewanted to do other things, she
wanted to get out the business,but anyways.
But carrie worked for brian inchicago and he used to call her
lou and because he met her atbar louie when she was a
bartender at Louie, a bar atBluey, and she would like
organize tickets or whatever.
But, um, so he goes up to toCarrie and he's like Lou, like

(01:35:44):
what do we got to do?
Like what happened today?
And she was talking about, um,just kind of like what happened
and me having type 1 diabetesand the biggest thing with
diabetes is hydration and sleep,and it's like you just can't
mess with those two things.
And so she was like we're justgonna have to bite the bullet
and get a bus and we'll figureit out.
We're just gonna go in the red.
But ray has to be like we haveto figure this out.

(01:36:06):
And he's like, well, how muchdo you need?
And she's like I think we needabout 40 000.
And and he's like, okay, and Iwas on four of his festivals
that summer and he bumped myguarantee up by 10 grand each
festival, so that way I couldafford a bus that summer.

Speaker 6 (01:36:19):
That's the kind of guy he is, but that's like I
will never, ever forget.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
And I didn't have shit, I didn't have God made
girls, I didn't have nothing.
And he did that because he'sjust that kind of guy Like he is
.
And then when I said that tohim a couple like I was telling
that story a couple weeks ago hegoes oh, I did that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
I was like shut up you know you're the best guy,
but he is just, yeah, he is saltof the earth he really.

Speaker 6 (01:36:41):
He's taking care of, obviously, jason and us
personally as well.

Speaker 4 (01:36:45):
He's I don't know man .
We uh me and wendell opened forrascal flats one, one tour
wendell mobley.
Yeah, I love that guy we wrote,we opened for and, uh, brian
gave us mcdonald's gift cards atthe end of the tour.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
Well, I guess you weren't funny enough, so I don't
get it.
It's not my fault.
I don't get the whole.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
And you don't have diabetes.

Speaker 4 (01:37:03):
Yeah, he didn't bump anything.
I don't know what y'all aretalking about.
I love the guy, though he's asweetheart.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
But anyways, I could talk to y'all all day.
This is fun.
We'll have to have you back.
We'll have you and Brittanytogether, oh that'd be fun, oh
geez.

Speaker 6 (01:37:18):
We'll just leave Let them.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
I love Brittany.
She's incredible.
That's my girl.

Speaker 8 (01:37:23):
Straight up.
That's my sister.
She's incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
She's a really good friend.

Speaker 8 (01:37:28):
It's been so fun having you out.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
I can't wait for more weekends.

Speaker 8 (01:37:34):
Hey, can you do me?

Speaker 4 (01:37:35):
and.
Kalo a favor when you're outthere.
Would you remind these twoknuckleheads?
To get some content whilethey're out there with their
phones.

Speaker 6 (01:37:42):
We're not good at that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
I'll make them do a funny TikTok.
I'll do some funny TikTok.

Speaker 6 (01:37:46):
We'll do something with you.

Speaker 4 (01:37:48):
You got to.

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
No, I got it, I got you.

Speaker 4 (01:37:50):
I'll make them do some funny shit.

Speaker 1 (01:37:59):
Yeah, we need your help.
It maybe, maybe it's.
I dressed them in one of myoutfits.
Oh jeez, oh god, you can, youcan anything, oh yeah but the
the unicorn thing.
I read about the unicorn thingyeah, the bet, because you can,
you might be able to help usreal quick before you go,
because we, we have a little bitof a bet.
Can you tell the unicorn thing,like, why you did that?

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
you dress as a unicorn and I was just really
into unicorns for a second.
I thought they were magical,are they not?
They are magical.
When I hit 100k on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
I would run around Music Row and eat a full one.

Speaker 6 (01:38:27):
Now you're tying it in.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
I ended up getting a horse, but every once in a while
I'll draw a horn on him.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
That's really cool.
Telly said when we get to amillion, we, you know we get to
a million.
He wanted us to get to amillion followers but we didn't
have any.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
We all have to.
If you get to a million, I'mnot doing the unicorn thing yes,
you are.
No, I'm not.
It's demonic.
I'm not doing it it's demonic.
What about a unicorn?

Speaker 4 (01:38:51):
it's demonic, no horse has a horn going out of
his face.
It just doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
Oh my God, listen, I will say when things are demonic
, and I think you're a littlecrazy right now I'm not doing it
.

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
Mickey Mouse isn't real either, but he's
entertaining.
I'll get a tattoo.

Speaker 4 (01:39:03):
If Kurt gets a tattoo , I'll do a tattoo.
If we get that, I think that'sa good one.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
Just a tattoo's fine.
It's tequila shots in atHardy's wedding.

Speaker 8 (01:39:16):
That's what I love.
That's a story, that's a memory.

Speaker 3 (01:39:18):
That's a memory I mean I was, and I remember when
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
It's a memory you can't remember.
Yeah, yeah, I was driving back.
I was like, and then I actuallytalked to the tattoo artist.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
I saw him.
He was actually at the Jason.
He was at the first Jason show.

Speaker 8 (01:39:39):
Oh he, oh, thanks for saying hi, and I was like who?

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
hardy oh no, hardy wasn't his tattoo artist.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
Okay, and I said he goes, I gave you that tattoo.
I said why did you give me thiswhen I was so intoxicated?
Like, is that a thing?
Like you know, I was likearen't you not supposed to?
drink.
He's like well, I mean it's awedding and I was like I mean I
love it.
Thank god I love it becausesome people don't like tattoos
that they get and I, I rememberI was like that hurt and I was
like driving home j I was likethat hurt and I was like driving
home and Josh was like, yeah,it's real.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
And I was like, ha ha , it was so funny, we could talk
forever.

Speaker 6 (01:40:01):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
We'll do a part two.
Part two we will.
We love you, Ray.
After the tour.

Speaker 6 (01:40:06):
Yeah, love stories.
Love you.
Thanks for coming on, love you,thank you for having us.

Speaker 8 (01:40:19):
Thank an episode Rae Lynn bringing it.
She's amazing.
That's what I mean.
I feel good about femaleartists.
Now we got Mary Cutter we gotRae Lynn.
They got some edge to them.
Rae Lynn's killing it out there.
She's killing it, she's her ownperson.

Speaker 6 (01:40:32):
She doesn't give a shit about what people say about
her.
She's just who she isUnapologetic, genuine.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
that's what a female country artist should be yeah,
and she's not waiting on anybodyto make it happen for her she's
, she's just doing it, you knowand it's really awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:40:48):
Yeah, that's right.
And the way she talks about herhusband and how, how much she
loves that guy.
Yeah, and and how I can see whywe love him.

Speaker 1 (01:40:58):
Yeah, yeah, I was saying just the few things that
we learned about him did make usfeel a little small, but we do
have a podcast.
You know, sure, he's a GreenBeret, but we've got a podcast.

Speaker 6 (01:41:12):
We're not making any money, but we're thankful to
have her out there.
She is killing it Like like Iknow both of us gone.
I've seen her show.
I mean, she, she delivers andthe crowd reacts to her.
Yeah, and I think everybodyshould pay attention.
She's got new music coming out.
Just make sure you're aware ofthat, because she's one of those
people that you definitely needto follow.

Speaker 4 (01:41:34):
Yeah, for sure yeah, she's a true, she's a true
artist.

Speaker 6 (01:41:37):
Oh my gosh right, and it doesn't even matter to me
like I.
I know it does matter, but hasshe had like a ton of chart
success to this point?
She's had some, but not as muchas she deserves.
But she is a true artist.

Speaker 4 (01:41:51):
You know what, and what was what I thought was cool
about her?
She's so passionate aboutsongwriting, which is it's our
passion, you know right, and Iheard to listen to her talk
about her passion forsongwriting.
She's getting it.
It's such a young age and thework ethic yeah, you know that's
the thing it hasn't been.

Speaker 8 (01:42:11):
I think that's what a lot of I know for a fact.
Young artists today um, it'sdifferent now with streaming,
because you you can findyourself on a tour, because you
have big streaming numbers butmay have never really played
live shows.
Yeah, you know.
So we all grew up playing.
You know clubs and bars andworking way up.
I think the struggle is whatmakes the success even sweeter.

(01:42:35):
So she's really in a good spot,like every night after the show
we talk and her head space islike really it's great, like
she's in a really good spot inher life and career.

Speaker 4 (01:42:48):
Yep, and I believe she's one of those people that
if the artist thing went away,like it did for me, she would
keep on writing songs in spiteof the artist thing you're right
, yeah, she wouldn't, shewouldn't bat an eye, she would,
because she loves writing songsshe's putting in god's hands too

(01:43:08):
, so she knows that he's got it,you know, and she's grounded
and it's always cool.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
Like we talk about some of our other guests is like
when you, when you meet them,it's you're even more of a fan
because she's just a real, areal person.
She taught.
How much did she talk aboutbeing being a mom, a wife, uh, a
christian, you know, and andthen, oh yeah, and I'm a singer
also, you know, and an artistand everything.
So so just cool that she justconnects at a real level and you

(01:43:34):
could just see it in her faceand it was.
She was great, that was.
That was uh inspiring that'sreally cool.

Speaker 6 (01:43:39):
It was a great good guys.
Uh, she's fantastic.
Believe me, we were excited touh be able to have her on so
that, uh, I guess it wasmichigan.

Speaker 1 (01:43:47):
There's a walmart in michigan, jill hear this story
happened this weekend, so thisis this is monday, so either
saturday, I think, and uh, andthis crazed guy went and I think
at stabbed 11 people, you know,I don't think he may died, but
but a uh civilian who, who wascarrying, you know, packing uh,
stopped the guy, you know, ranhim down the parking lot and

(01:44:08):
kept anybody from getting killed, you know, and, and for me I
was sitting there thinkingthat's, that's the whole message
of the song, that aldine, youknow, try that in a small town
you're taking care of people.
And anyway, I just thought thatwas great because for all the
tragedies that you see, not thatbeing stabbed is a small thing,
but they're alive, you know,because somebody was there.

Speaker 6 (01:44:28):
See, this is crazy.
I didn't even hear about thatand you would think that should
get national news.

Speaker 8 (01:44:33):
Well, and of course they tried to turn it around on
the guy.
That kind of saved everybody.
Oh sure I haven't heard much.

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
It was so new.
I don't know what's happened.
Hopefully nobody did die afterI heard that, but I thought it
was cool that somebody did stepin until the authorities got
there.

Speaker 4 (01:44:51):
There is nothing more patriotic than good people
packing.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
Yeah, nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:44:57):
Yeah, more patriotic than that?
It packing, yeah, nothing.
Yeah, more patriotic than thatmay save lives?
No, no doubt, absolutely.
When you have a sane personthat's packing, I mean,
everybody should be able to walkaround, do what they do, go
shop and do what they do.

Speaker 1 (01:45:10):
If more good people, more good people, were packing
well, I would learn how to use afirearm and pack and take it
yeah, if anybody's listeningthis and they know the guy, it
would be cool to get him on thepodcast that'd be awesome, it'd
be really fun.
So if anybody any listenersknow that guy or situation or
family, or whatever, pleasecontact us and and uh, that'd be
great to get him on yeah,that's.

Speaker 8 (01:45:31):
That's a great idea, kaylo that'd be incredible.

Speaker 6 (01:45:33):
I love it.
Great story.
Kay Kayla's wearing the OGshirt so we need to mention them
.
Original Glory.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:45:40):
I love it.
What's the drink you always askus to put in?

Speaker 1 (01:45:44):
Oh they've got a Beer Mosa.

Speaker 6 (01:45:46):
Beer Mosa.

Speaker 1 (01:45:47):
Yeah, which I hadn't had one of those before, but now
I have them on the way to thispodcast.
I like it, but they're reallygreat and refreshing.
You just try them out, I likeit, but they're really great and
refreshing.

Speaker 6 (01:45:59):
Thank them, patriot Mobile.
They've been out at the showswith us Great.

Speaker 8 (01:46:03):
Unbelievable people.

Speaker 6 (01:46:05):
Starting with Glenn all the way down.
Those guys are incredible.
We're thankful to be with them.
Believe me, jason's thankfulthat they're part of the tour.
And then eSpace is a course.
Look at us we're loving this.

Speaker 4 (01:46:16):
Look at us, look at us.
We're loving the new studio.
Look at us, look at this.

Speaker 8 (01:46:20):
Amazing, even with that horrible orange jersey
staring at me.

Speaker 4 (01:46:25):
Well, I mean, to me it looks.
I think it's fitting, though,when it's behind my head for
sure.
Yeah, we need to raise thecameras so we can see the
Alabama hat that's hanging overthe jersey.

Speaker 1 (01:46:34):
Well, and we did find that, that Ray Lynn was a Vols
fan and she did, you know, touchthe jersey which you know gives
it we got another volunteer inhere, which is great.
That's exciting.

Speaker 6 (01:46:46):
If you're watching on YouTube, make sure you're
commenting, you're reviewing.
Give us a five stars downloaddo all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
Follow us on Insta X TikTok.
We're everywhere, we're growingand we got big news coming.
We've got an announcementcoming very, very soon.
We thought it was going to bethis time, but it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
It's happening, it's happening.
The wheels are in motion.
How long are we going?

Speaker 4 (01:47:10):
to keep teasing them, hopefully not long.

Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
No, I think it's happening soon.
Where's Wade?

Speaker 4 (01:47:17):
Nobody knows.

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
He was in.

Speaker 4 (01:47:19):
Bandon.
I got a picture.
He was in Bandon Dunes for alittle while playing golf.

Speaker 8 (01:47:23):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:47:24):
I hope he's doing deals and stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:47:27):
I feel like we're doing more podcasts and working
harder than ever.
I feel like Wade stoppedworking, taking more vacations
vacations.

Speaker 4 (01:47:38):
You know, the thing about wade is, just when you
think he's not been working, ohno, I know he's been playing.
He's like all of a sudden weget this, yeah, pull something
out, we get and we get flying,oh look what happened?

Speaker 6 (01:47:45):
yeah, you did what we love wade.
He's doing stuff we.
We couldn't do it without wade.
Yeah, we're just kidding.
You notice?

Speaker 4 (01:47:50):
we didn't hear from jim today oh, that's right, he
didn't have his mic turned,that's right.
Something I don't know, it wasweird.

Speaker 8 (01:47:56):
Hey guys, there he is .
We love our Jim too.

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
Well, we're doing this podcast six hours earlier
than usual, so maybe he's justnot awake enough.

Speaker 6 (01:48:05):
Hey, I agree I had a hard time getting awake tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:48:08):
Yeah, so you guys leave.
I'm trying to stay off theEpstein list.
Oh jeez.

Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
Oh no, there we go, and that does it.

Speaker 6 (01:48:16):
Yeah, yeah.
Thanks for everybody forwatching.
We're very appreciative of you.
Rutherhash Kalo GK Fondue,fondue, whatever you want to
call me, this is a Try that in aSmall Town podcast, thank you,
make sure to follow along,subscribe, share, rate the show

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.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}RaeLynn - Finding Your Way When Nashville Says "No" :: Ep 68 Try That in a Small Town Podcast