Real Thoughts on CMA Night: Why Did Morgan Wallan Get Snubbed? :: Ep 83 Try That in a Small Town Podcast

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SPEAKER_07 (00:29):
It's the CMAs wanting to work their narrative.
Yes.
And if you don't fit in theirnarrative, you gotta watch
Kelsey Ballerini swing.
No one wants to see it.
Nobody wants to see it.
Meghan Moroni, she could havenot played and no one would have
said, Oh, I wish Meghan Moroniwould have played.
They might as well call it theNFL Awards.

SPEAKER_03 (00:49):
Why?
Why the NFL Awards?

SPEAKER_06 (00:51):
Yeah, because they're freaking woke.

SPEAKER_03 (00:53):
That was kind of a sad part.

SPEAKER_06 (00:55):
Like she said in parks and sometimes it rains and
she's I can think of it as likehow many times are we gonna do
this rain gag?

SPEAKER_04 (01:00):
I know.
I mean I've seen that a lot.
If I would have done that song,I would have been dressed in a
clown uniform.
Sit in parks.
I'm gonna give the well.
I'd have had a clown outfit on.
Dressed like it on a swing.

SPEAKER_07 (01:15):
It's Morgan's award.
And I just wish once someonewould say, I forfeit this to
Morgan Wallen.

SPEAKER_04 (01:23):
That's what I said the last time.

SPEAKER_07 (01:25):
Or at least it mentioned, yeah, you did.
You said it the last time.

SPEAKER_04 (01:27):
I was like, I don't know how anybody could stand up
there.

SPEAKER_07 (01:29):
I would take it and set it down and say, This is for
Morgan Wallen.
I'm gonna take it.
Yes.
You come get it with the wall.

SPEAKER_06 (01:34):
And think of the good publicity that'd give you
by saying it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38):
A try that in a small town podcast begins.

SPEAKER_06 (01:47):
We're back.
We are how is that for anexciting we're back?
We're back.
This is a try that in the smalltown podcast.
We got Neil with almost a fullbeard.
This is gonna be as long as I'veever liked it.
That is a ash.
That's the ash.

SPEAKER_07 (02:04):
Yeah, it's really solid.

SPEAKER_03 (02:06):
Thanks, guys.
Kind of a beginner on the case.

SPEAKER_06 (02:11):
For KL, that's kind of full.

SPEAKER_03 (02:12):
Yeah.
I like it, Caleb.
How long is that?

SPEAKER_06 (02:15):
How long?
Is that today or is that a fewdays?

SPEAKER_03 (02:17):
No, that would be since uh what is today?
Thursday.
So maybe like four days.
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (02:25):
Looks really good, man.
It does.
It's very solid TK.
It's got his usual uh scruff.

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Scruff's good.
No, it looks good.

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Yeah.
Get that.
Why did it be just for men,Kurt?
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SPEAKER_04 (02:44):
I can't believe them and woke hadn't clearly for
them.
It'd be called just for.

SPEAKER_06 (02:49):
Just for them.
Just for they.

SPEAKER_07 (02:51):
Just for them.
I mean, seriously, we're we'rewe're getting close to it.
Anyway.
Yeah.
So we are.
We watched the CMA Awards lastnight?
I did, I did, I did.

SPEAKER_06 (02:59):
Raise your hands.
Right here.
So I didn't watch it last night,but I did catch up today.
Um we gonna go into it?
We're gonna get into it.

SPEAKER_04 (03:09):
I think we should.

SPEAKER_06 (03:10):
I mean I think it's what we do.
It is what we do.

SPEAKER_07 (03:13):
There's some good things that were great and some
things that are whatever.
Well, how do you start?
That's exactly what I wrotedown.
You want to start us out of you.

SPEAKER_03 (03:22):
It's easier for me unless it throws you guys off if
we'd kind of start from thebeginning and then, you know, uh
because I watched it twice.
I watched it.
I watched it last night.

SPEAKER_05 (03:32):
Glutton.

SPEAKER_03 (03:36):
I watched it.
And we we missed uh like thelast two categories and we had
to go to bed.
But then today I watched thewhole thing from the beginning,
so I could take notes and youknow, kind of look at it from uh
from how we would look at it.
So the first question I think Iwould be good to start with and
then just get you guys take onum Laney Wilson, not a not a
performance yet, but what do youthink about her being as a host

(03:59):
for the CMAs?

SPEAKER_06 (04:01):
Uh I think Laney is likable.
She's very likable.
We personally know Laney.
She is awesome, she's a anincredible person.
I think she comes off that wayon stage.
She's likable.
She's not the funniest, she'snot the most uh wow you host,
but she's likable.

(04:21):
That's what my take is.

SPEAKER_03 (04:22):
What do you think, Tells?

SPEAKER_07 (04:24):
I have no issue.
I love Laney.
I have no issues with uh Laneyhosting.
I mean, it it I mean, it it'sfine.
My only issue with Laney iswinning Entertainer of the Year.
Well, we couldn't be able to dothat.
Yeah, we're starting to do that.

SPEAKER_02 (04:36):
Yeah, we're we're we're jumping to the podcast.
We hadn't even started.

SPEAKER_07 (04:41):
I'm just saying, well, I mean, that's the only I
mean and it's not on it's not onher.

SPEAKER_02 (04:44):
Of course not.

SPEAKER_07 (04:45):
It's definitely not uh Laney's amazing.
Doesn't take anything away fromher.
So hosting um I mean what wasyour thought?

SPEAKER_03 (04:52):
Uh I thought I thought she did great.
I thought she looked great.
Um I thought that it wasn't toouh too rehearsed, you know.
I thought she representedcountry music well.
I thought she did really good.
That's a good way.
Overall, I thought she didreally good.
I thought she was I thought shewas solid.
She was solid for the firsttime.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (05:10):
Because I'm sure she was nervous as all get out.
I mean, look at everything shehad to do.
She had to learn all those songsat the beginning.

SPEAKER_03 (05:15):
Yeah.
And make the rounds to the show.
The mashup was a little long forme, but yeah, the only thing
about the mashup, I I don't knowif you guys thought it was it.
I I caught it a little bit thefirst time, the second time.
I wondered if on when she wassinging uh You Look Like You
Love Me, if she should have sangthat with Riley Green instead of
Ella.
You know, it's just two girlssinging it together.
It's kind of interesting, but umI have an issue.

SPEAKER_07 (05:39):
I have an issue with well, I've got it's not time for
airing agreements, is it?

SPEAKER_03 (05:44):
No, so we're now we've got plenty of time for for
that.
If you want to air somethingearly, you can.

SPEAKER_07 (05:48):
I don't have to air anything.
I mean, it's you know me, Mr.
Grumpy.

SPEAKER_03 (05:52):
Well, go.
If you're feeling something, Isay you let root.

SPEAKER_07 (05:56):
I like I like how you're running this podcast
right now.
You too.
Let's start it.
Let's start at the top.

SPEAKER_06 (06:01):
But let's start at the very top.
What do you think?
Because the very top was LukeCombs.

SPEAKER_03 (06:05):
First performance.
Uh what'd y'all think there?
And we can be quick, we don'thave to do a whole lot.
Yeah, we won't go into it.

SPEAKER_06 (06:11):
What I was thinking was I think about it in our
perspective.
So he does the song, whatever itis, back in the saddle, and all
I can think about is thesebrilliant producers and managers
are like, oh, what can we dowith the set?
Oh my god, let's put the band ina stable.
And all I can think of is whenwe played Night Train, how long

(06:33):
do you think it took them tothink of what they could do with
our set?
Oh, let's put the band in acaboose.
Yeah, exactly.
And here's what I It wasridiculous.
They have us in a frickincaboose, Dave Grohl's there, and
we're embarrassed beyond belief.
It's just the truth.
Boo fighters are there, we'replaying in a caboose.

SPEAKER_07 (06:54):
I remember telling, I remember telling Dave Grohl
backstage, and of course I'mthinking to myself, of course.
Usually we're just on stage withamps.
Of course.
Like Dave Grohl's here, and Iremember telling him, dude,
you're gonna see something.
It's don't it's not how it is.

(07:17):
Yeah, it really worked.

SPEAKER_06 (07:19):
And we still tell bringing up the rear.

SPEAKER_07 (07:22):
We still tell Al Dean, like, why did you let them
do that, man?

SPEAKER_06 (07:25):
Sometimes, I mean, sometimes plea, I mean, it's
it's these producers at theawards.
That's yeah.
All I can think of was theystuck the poor band in the
stable up here in the I waslike, and that that's
interesting.

SPEAKER_03 (07:38):
I didn't see the very top of the show.
Did they really do that?
Yeah, as the very top.
Now, I will say, and you guysdefinitely I 100% appreciate
that perspective and wouldn'thave got that because I'm not a
player.
I thought, you know, itaesthetically it looked really
cool.
I thought, well, that's a goodlooking set.
You know, I didn't think aboutthe individual players playing
like that because they wereprobably weren't really there,

(08:00):
so no, I did you I I I wastrying to figure out the whole
time what that was.

SPEAKER_04 (08:05):
Like was he like the bull coming down the chute, and
those were like auctions?
It looked like he was beingauctioned off.
And those guys his band was wasbidding on him.
That's what it looked like tome.
I didn't see that.
I didn't see that.

(08:26):
I didn't see that part.

SPEAKER_06 (08:27):
I didn't see I missed the very popular show.
That's all I can think about.
Uh Luke was fine.

SPEAKER_03 (08:33):
Yeah, and I thought I thought it was a solid
performance.
And uh he's pretty intense.
He looked pretty angry at theend, but it was solid.
He sang good, they played good.
In that, do you think theyplayed like because it you can't
you I I couldn't tell.
Like, are they playing to atrack and playing along at the
same time?
Is that what the producers do,or do they play that live?
I think they were not playing.

SPEAKER_06 (08:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (08:53):
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (08:53):
They were probably playing the track.
There were some bands thatplayed last night.
We know we we know the bandsthat play live.
You know, we'll keep thatconversation too because it's
awesome to watch some of thoseguys try to.
Oh.

SPEAKER_07 (09:04):
Well, just know this.
If you ever see, whenever yousee a band and the they're all
dressed up with like reallyfancy clothes and cool coats and
stuff, they ain't playing.
Ain't playing.
Yeah.
They ain't playing.
Most of them don't play anyway.
Most of them don't want to play.
It's really not even the band.
Most of the time, it's like youknow, the management or to our
organization's credit, like wewe always say if if if there's

(09:27):
been a couple occasions where wehad no choice but to play to a
live track that we recorded.
Yeah.
Usually it's because of uh somesort of set change.
Like years and years.
I mean, we did something with anorchestra, you know, so uh maybe
twice in twenty something years.

SPEAKER_04 (09:43):
I totally get it though.
I get playing having it, itsounds sonically, it sounds
better for the listener on TV.
Which way it when you whenyou're playing with a track,
when everybody's playing with atrack.
Well it's actually it's actuallyit sounds it's it's just a good
mix for the for the TV.

SPEAKER_07 (09:58):
It did sound good.
Yeah.
The problem is what we always uhthought about that was uh you
know, you're playing live.
If you're playing to a track,you're playing to generally
they're playing to a a perfecttrack.
A mastered version of the track.
Yeah, a mastered version of thetrack.
And you and you're really kindof setting your singer up to
fail.
Because live music you know,singing live, you're not it

(10:18):
never should be per you're nevergonna be perfectly in tune.
So you're singing along with aper with everything perfect.
So it accentuates the thingsthat maybe you know, when you're
singing aren't perfect.

SPEAKER_06 (10:30):
You know, I was just thinking when you said that
though, most of these singersare probably used to singing to
tracks on stage.
That's true.
Which is a whole differentconversation.

SPEAKER_07 (10:39):
I don't know.
This could be the longestpodcast we've ever had.
No, so moving on.

SPEAKER_03 (10:44):
Moving on.
So we had the first uhpresenters, you had Billy Ray
Cyrus and Elizabeth Hurley.

SPEAKER_06 (10:50):
Well, she looks great.

SPEAKER_03 (10:51):
She looked great, yeah.
And how old is Elizabeth Hurley?
I I don't know, but I I I lookedin that as a as a couple and oh
they're a couple.
I think they're a couple, yeah.
And and I thought I thoughtinteresting and because you just
wouldn't you wouldn't put thosetwo together naturally, you
know, I wouldn't think.
But anyway, that was myobservation there.

(11:11):
And they were uh they were theywere presenting they were
presenting uh the single of theyear, right?
Yeah.
So 60.
I didn't know.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (11:20):
I didn't make any notes on the presenters.

SPEAKER_03 (11:22):
But they did they did great.
He gave a great shout out toJohnny Cash and stuff, and she
was lovely.
And and uh they had Single ofthe Year.
So do y'all remember who who wonthat one?
Single of the Year?

SPEAKER_06 (11:34):
Oh, I do because I have something about this.
Which which one was it?
Was it the uh things?

SPEAKER_03 (11:39):
So you had four by four by you, you had Laney
Wilson at Ain't No Love inOklahoma, Luke Combs, Am I Okay,
Megan Moroni, I never lie, ZachTop, you look like you love me,
L.
Langley and Riley Riley Green.

SPEAKER_04 (11:49):
So you like took detailed notes from Sally again.
I guess so.

SPEAKER_03 (11:51):
Just so you watched her twice, no, because they
would be reminded of well, youknow.
Okay.
So uh I mean I don't really havea job, so so this uh but anyway,
so yeah, they uh so Ella uh theywon that with you know you look
like you love me, and it's a itwas it was great.
She got up and what'd y'allthink about that?
Was that a good did y'all haveanother song that should have

(12:12):
you thought would have won, oris that an okay one?

SPEAKER_06 (12:15):
No, I didn't I know I know.
My thing was, and Tully'sprobably the same way, I didn't
actually care about who won orwho didn't win.
Will Bundy's Will Bundy, afriend of ours, produced it.
So we were that that's cool forWill.
And then Jim Cooley, did you seeJim on stage?
No.
Jim got on stage too, and hewould look like he was just

(12:35):
couldn't believe he was onstage.
He was so happy.
Jim mixed our demos for years,like like Patrick mixing, you
know, yeah, is it like he mixedours for years before he was
doing anything, and also likerecord anything we produced, he
was a mixed engineer recordingit and now he's like a big time
mixed guy, and it was cool tosee him.

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So it was Will Bundy and Jim.
I thought it was cool to seethose guys.

SPEAKER_03 (12:59):
But as far as who won, I didn't know and and that
that award goes to it's not itis a different from Song of the
Year for some, you know, forsome of the listeners that don't
know.
It is it is supposed to be likeradio, airplay, the most
far-reaching single, right?
That's what it's supposed to bevoted on.

SPEAKER_06 (13:16):
Um are Ella and Riley, are they a thing?
I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (13:19):
I was gonna ask you, I figured you guys I figured you
guys would know that.

SPEAKER_06 (13:22):
I think I think it looked a little awkward.

SPEAKER_07 (13:25):
It did look a little awkward.

SPEAKER_03 (13:26):
I think he turned her down.
Really?
Yeah.
Maybe that's why maybe that'swhy we're gonna be.

SPEAKER_06 (13:33):
I think that's what happened.
I think she wanted it to be athing, but I think he did they
hook up and then it just didn'tbecome a I don't know.
I don't I don't know if thathappened.
Neil, do you know?

SPEAKER_04 (13:43):
You know, no, I don't know the particulars.
I feel I feel like I don't Iknow that Riley Green could have
any woman on the planet that'sprobably I do know that.
That's kind of obvious.
Yeah.
When the dude's a stud.
He is, he is.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (13:56):
Yeah.
He's not bad looking.
No, I mean, and maybe that's whythen I mean and I didn't that's
a different podcast.
Or if we the end, if we havetime to do that.
We should have a podcast if Iwas a gay man.
Okay, that's a that is a wholedifferent one.
Uh we're gonna stick with the uhthe CMA awards.
Uh impression it's what theyare.
No, but maybe that's why I wasbecause you always think about
the the the acceptance speechesand everything, and I know

(14:19):
you're you're limited on timeand everything, and you're
thinking about oh, what I'mgonna say, who do I who do I
think?
And I was wondering about theirrelationship too, and because
and Riley was very much agentleman, he was you know
letting her take the take thewheel and everything, and and
and she she thanked Riley forsinging on that second verse,
you know, which I thought waskind of interesting because he
you know co-ridge.
It looked awkward.

(14:40):
It did a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 (14:40):
She handed the trophy, and it was kind of like
it was kind of like it was realdisplay.

SPEAKER_07 (14:44):
They may have hooked up.
And I think I think he kind ofshot her down, which you know, I
like Riley.
We don't know.
Riley's a good dude.
Riley is a is a really gooddude.
And we'll talk more about Rileyas your list continues.
Yes, yes.
Yes, so that's so that was agood one.

SPEAKER_03 (15:01):
That was a good win for Ella Langley and Riley
Green.
Congrats to them.
And so you had uh Leanne Morgan,the comedian, came out with
Laney Wilson.
I thought she was pretty funny.
Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (15:09):
She was funny, but yeah, you'd never seen her
before?
Uh-uh.
Yeah, she's pretty funny.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (15:13):
Yeah, I thought that was a good moment.
You know, she came out, youknow, dressed like Laney and
everything, but she really,really post-menopausal comedian.

SPEAKER_04 (15:20):
That's that's basically what she's known for.

SPEAKER_03 (15:22):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The one part where she saidsomething about, yeah, that uh
even the back of my knees aresweating.
I was thinking, okay, all right,we don't need to know.
We don't need to know.
What do you have next?
Uh so you had uh firstperformers or second performer
actually, so you had Zach Toppuh did a song called Guitar,
which I was interested.
I hadn't badass.
I haven't seen that, you know,or heard that song, and so I was

(15:44):
very interested.
Uh and I thought that was great.
Neil, let's start with you.
What'd you think about thatperformance and song and
everything?

SPEAKER_07 (15:50):
He's just all the way across.

SPEAKER_04 (15:52):
He's a badass.

SPEAKER_07 (15:53):
All the way, every category.
I like the performance.
He's great.
I don't like the song, but Ilike he's a great good player.
Like I don't like the song, butI like the performance.
Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_03 (16:06):
Do you not like the song because like commercially,
like most of the world is not aguitar player, so that I just it
reminded me of like a differentversion of The Fireman by George
Strait.

SPEAKER_06 (16:15):
Oh, it was, it was right in that same banner.

SPEAKER_07 (16:18):
And I thought it was uh here's what I like about I
loved his first single.
Um this song, I mean, he had anopportunity to me.

SPEAKER_03 (16:26):
I don't know if this is even his I don't know, maybe
this is just that he they didn'twant him to do the ballad
because there's too many balladsand they wanted him to play a
tempo.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 (16:36):
I mean, I I I didn't mind the song, actually.
Yeah, no, I mean and that's uhthat's fair.
Like I didn't personally it'snot my kind of thing, but I
liked the performance of it.
I thought he sounded great,played great.
He's a pro.

SPEAKER_04 (16:47):
He's a pro.

SPEAKER_06 (16:47):
Yeah, you know it's my first time actually seeing
him do a whole song.
He's really cool.
I thought it was really cool.

SPEAKER_04 (16:52):
When he came on and that girl started singing with
him, yeah.
I'm like, okay, that ain't theirfirst time to sing together.
No.
He's really so good.
It was so tight and so good, andso there's they're just pros,
man.
I mean, yeah, I wasn't a fan ofthe song.
They're sort of like that'sokay.
I mean, I wasn't, and we we'reallowed to do it.
But I do like first songwriters.
I think he I think he was great.

SPEAKER_07 (17:14):
And I and I do so good.
I do like that first song youput out.
And so good.
I just think I I hope that's nota second single because or the
next single because he's got areal opportunity to me to like
the song's not strong enough forme personally.
And it's it's it's kind of astick to me.
It was a little stick.
Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 (17:34):
No, I I mean I just I felt like when I was watching
it, because I was a huge ClintBlack fan, so you're always
watching these new artists comeup, and in a way, it it it say
that was his single or or not,because I remember uh one of my
favorite songs of ClintonBlack's.
I'm not even sure if it was asingle, but it's called One More
Payment Until It's Mine.
And his Up Tempo, you know,guitar-driven song like that,
and and and he had the backkillin' time, which was ballad,

(17:56):
that was his biggest thing.
So I never lie, ballad, thengoing to an up-tempo.
He kind of reminded me of whatClint Black did kind of coming
up.
So I thought he'd just showingdiversity in his guitar playing.
I wouldn't say when you can wearout an acoustic guitar on a
solo, uh I always appreciatethat.

SPEAKER_07 (18:12):
And he was great, and it's it's it's really,
really good.
But I wouldn't even classify thefirst song as a ballad, like
it's just a country song thatwas cool to me.
And that's why I'm saying he hadan opportunity.
Again, he may become somethingelse.

SPEAKER_04 (18:23):
I don't and that's just my it drives me crazy
though when when wheneverybody's thinking that way.
Well, it was a ballad.
Well, it's an up tempo, maybe weshould do a ballad.
When they start thinking thatway, that's like way
overthinking.
Just put out the best.

(18:43):
You know, putting out that kindof stuff.
Miami, Miami, and you know, allof all of that stuff.
He could he he is such a goodsinger and such a good player
that he can do some really goodquality music and really good
quality songs, and just even goto the next level.
He's got he's got he's climbing,man, and he's the the world's
his, it's right there for thetaking.

SPEAKER_07 (19:05):
He sounds like to me, sometimes he's like, there's
some Tracy Lawrence, there'ssome John Anderson, there's some
this, there's some ClintonBlack, there's it's all rolled
into one, and it's like I hopethat everybody realizes that
that it's it's it's uh it's nota fad, it's not a stick.
This is what country was.
That's what it sounded like.
And that's what he is, that'swhat he is.

(19:26):
Like this is it's not reallylike a nothing manufactured
about that kid.
So it's really cool.
So I'm I really think he's topof the game, and that's why I
think top of the game.
There you go.
Like that.
But um I think the songs couldbe there too, and I think if he
does that, man, he's gonna he'sgonna carry that that country
flag.
So anyway, yeah, he is doinggreat.

(19:47):
That's really cool.
Hello.
Moving on.

SPEAKER_03 (19:49):
So then so the next you had the presenters and you
had Gretchen Wilson and and uhNeo, uh three-time Grammy
winner.
Uh I the first time I'd heard ofhim, but um All right, on to the
next subject.
But he well, no, no, no, right.
No, well, I really like Iactually like that guy because
uh I believe it or not, I wentback and watched the red carpet
interviews, uh-huh, which I'mglad I did because I'll talk

(20:11):
about that a little bit morelater.
But I really liked that guypersonally.
He was very thankful to bethere.
Oh, cool and uh and really lovedcountry music and everything.
And uh anyway, so I I thoughtthat was kind of a cool thing.
You see, you're gonna be able todo it.

SPEAKER_07 (20:21):
By the way, you're slaying this episode, Caleb.
He was king.
Oh, so good.

SPEAKER_03 (20:24):
Well, this is uh this is a great topic.
I'm very excited about it.
I know he got he got here alittle early.

SPEAKER_04 (20:30):
I don't know if it was early, but I mean we're
late, man.
It wasn't like right on thebuzzard.
He was here plenty of time toget ready.

SPEAKER_03 (20:38):
No, I think it was at six, or maybe clicking over
six and one.
But anyway, so they read uh sothey they were announcing vocal
duo of the year, of which we haduh Brooks and Dunn, Brothers
Osborne, Dan and Shea, Maddieand Tay.
Oh my god.
The War and Treaty.
And the Warren Brothers and sowe know who we know who won.

(21:00):
Thrasher Schever, ThrasherShiber didn't the Wellington.
The Bellamy Brothers.
The Bellamy Brothers havefinally got kicked off of the
duo.

SPEAKER_07 (21:07):
I just want to go on record, and Kurt and Aldean are
so sick of me saying this.

SPEAKER_04 (21:10):
Here we go.

SPEAKER_07 (21:11):
I love it.
Bring it, son.
I have been begging, pleading.
I want a duo so bad to produceand write for a really quality
duo that Brooks and Dunn qualitysongs.
You know, it problem is youcan't get these guys.
No one wants to be in a duo.
They all want to be the stars.

(21:31):
Brooks and Dunn didn't want tobe in a duo.
And now they're back winningawards.
I know.
And and I'm glad they won.
I mean 16 years.
I mean, they killed it.

SPEAKER_04 (21:40):
They rocked it this past year much more than the
other guys in the category.
They were they've all kind ofsettled down.
I mean, Brooks and Dunn was likeworking their tails off last
year.

SPEAKER_07 (21:48):
Well, this this is a ridiculous category, I mean,
right now.
It is it's a ridiculouscategory.
Warren Treaty can't go out andsell a thousand seats.
No.
I mean, Brothers Osborne,they're they're playing
festivals and fairs.
I I like those guys, it's allgood.
But the category's weak.
And this is a category has beenand this is a category that

(22:11):
really it's there for thetaking.
If if and I and I've tried toput duos together, I've tried my
hardest, and everybody's like,nah, I just don't want to do it.
Well, well, man, that's good.
But you know, it's there for thetaking.
It is and and I'm gonna go onthe on air and saying when
everybody gets ready for this, Imean I'm we're rare.
I'm looking.

(22:32):
Looking we are looking.

SPEAKER_04 (22:33):
There's another category that's that's wide open
for the taken too.

SPEAKER_06 (22:36):
What's that?

SPEAKER_04 (22:37):
Vocal group.

SPEAKER_06 (22:38):
Yeah.
Oh, we'll get to that.

SPEAKER_04 (22:40):
I know we're gonna get to it, but uh while you were
saying yeah, you know, it's wideopen category.
I think I think that one, in myopinion, is more wide open than
any of them.

SPEAKER_06 (22:49):
Well, it's just there are no vocal groups
anymore.

SPEAKER_07 (22:51):
Here's the thing.
Well, but but you do have theold dominions and you have that
them in there.
Love them.

SPEAKER_04 (22:56):
But is it a vocal group?

SPEAKER_07 (22:58):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (22:59):
It's really not.
Well, that's the one that'sthat's what they're doing.
That's the category.
Old Dominion?
Yeah.
Yes, I I think their songs are.
I think there should be two.

SPEAKER_04 (23:08):
I think I think there should be two categories
then.
I think there should be a bandcategory and a vocal group
category.
Because they're that's twototally different things.
It really is.
I mean, yeah, Sawyer Brownwasn't known as a vocal group.
They were that was you know,Mark Miller.
He's the lead guy.
I mean, Rascal Flats is a vocalgroup.
Yeah, Diamond Reel was a vocalgroup, Alabama was a vocal

(23:32):
group.
That's a good point, though.
Should be group of the year.
Just say just group of the year.

SPEAKER_06 (23:37):
Yeah.
Great category.
It is, yeah.
Yeah.
Go on.

SPEAKER_03 (23:41):
Well, on the uh on the the Brooks and Dunn winning,
I thought uh one thing that wascool that Ronnie Dunn said, and
kind of uh it reminded me ofsomething we said about Alan
Jackson a few episodes backabout they're going out and
touring and their numbers aregrowing because their type of
music is just it's it's comingback.
And Ronnie Dunn said, and Ithink it was his way of saying,

(24:02):
Hey, we've been in this a while.
He said, he said, I I just wantto let you guys know that we ask
people all the time, our fans,you know, how many of you guys
have been to Brooks Nunn concertbefore?
And he said that 80% of the fansthat are at their shows are new.
80% is what he said.

SPEAKER_06 (24:17):
Hey, we do the Aldean says the same thing every
night, which is who's the firsttime coming, and I am surprised
every night how many first timesthere are.

SPEAKER_03 (24:28):
Yeah, yeah.
So I thought that was really,really cool.
And uh so he just said it said,Hey, we're out there working,
you know.
So I just thought I thought thatwas a cool statement, you know.
And we love those guys.
Yeah, and uh oh, and just ofnote, and this is mainly for
Tully, I had to I had to writeit down.
Uh uh Laney got several textsduring the evening, and one of
them was was from uh one of thebest uh quarterbacks in NFL

(24:50):
history, Peyton Manning.

SPEAKER_07 (24:52):
He is he is one of the best, yes, yes, and so one
of the top ten best.

SPEAKER_03 (24:56):
Um then we're done.
So then so then all right, sothe next performer we had you
had uh Megan Moroney.
Uh I hadn't heard that songbefore.
Um, so let's talk about thatperformance real quick.
And we started with you lasttime.
We'll start with Kurt this time.
Oh man.
I went to get a beer.
Oh, you did?
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (25:15):
So Kurt You exited when she started or before she
started?

SPEAKER_04 (25:19):
No, it started, and I was like, I don't know,
whatever.
It's Taylor Swift 2.0.
I mean it's like it's you knowwhat I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 (25:28):
I'm I'm like Yeah, I I don't have any real it it
didn't do anything.

SPEAKER_04 (25:32):
Megan Moroni's gonna be she's she's gonna use country
music as a stepping stone and gopop.

SPEAKER_06 (25:39):
I don't know if she can go pop.

SPEAKER_04 (25:40):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 (25:40):
I was very excited, I was very excited about it.
Maybe it's going okay.

SPEAKER_03 (25:44):
Was that before when the when the because you saw her
in the bathrobe and you knew atsome point that bathrobe was
coming off?

SPEAKER_07 (25:50):
I was very excited about it because it made me
realize that Mary Cutter isgonna be huge.
And I texted Mary Cutter'smanagers and I said, This is
gonna be a better timing.
Megan's fine, and everybody'sjust trying to have a career,
and I get it.
Terrible song.
The whole blonde singer girlthat we're trying like, look,

(26:10):
it's just not good.
And that's okay.
It doesn't have to be.
I don't like it.
It's there's a million peoplewho love Megan Moroni.
It's fine.
It's just plastic.

SPEAKER_06 (26:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (26:22):
And it's fine.
There's nothing there.
She's a pretty girl, it's allgood.
She doesn't have to be whatever,that's her thing.
The girl, that pretty girl,pretty blonde girl.

SPEAKER_06 (26:32):
It's just if you wonder why.
I don't even remember what songshe sang.
To the point of late.

SPEAKER_03 (26:40):
It's not like she's got her she's got her called Six
Months Later.
Okay.
And it's like, what doesn't killyou?
We'll call you Six Months Later.
Actually, actually, a singleword made it in my brain.

SPEAKER_04 (26:51):
You hear a lot of songs like that one, for
instance, and I I always turnover the land and I go, What's
the burn factor on that one?
How long's that gonna last?
There's a lot of that going onright now.

SPEAKER_03 (27:04):
Yeah, and I but I I thought too, like the second
time I watched it, and then I'mand I'm really looking at the
lyric and everything.
And so I think like that's kindof her lane.
So it was kind of a strong womanthing.
Uh, you know, for her, I thinkthe performance was solid and I
thought the st I thought thesong was solid based on the
stuff that she does.
Um so I didn't dislike it.

SPEAKER_06 (27:25):
Somebody told me um that you know, she didn't sing
like incredibly well, uh, andthat they had see it wasn't on
the CMA replay or that we'regonna be.

SPEAKER_07 (27:40):
She didn't sing great, but if for me it doesn't
even bother me.

SPEAKER_06 (27:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (27:43):
Because it's never uh a singing contest like it.

SPEAKER_06 (27:47):
Like it's not if you're yeah, it's not a singing
contest.
But if you don't really haveanything like Ella Langley
didn't actually sing great.
We could go there very unique.
Crazy right now.
Yeah, I mean like I I WhereasMegan is like, I agree.
It's like okay, okay, it's good,it's fine.

SPEAKER_04 (28:08):
It's just it's so funny to hear people say that.
It's like it's like we're in thewe're in the music business, and
that's like they're artists,they're singers, yeah, but it's
not a singing contest.
But really and truly it is.

SPEAKER_07 (28:19):
No, I don't I don't disagree with that.
I think it used to be kind of itused to be more of a singing
contest.
But some of my favorite artistsever aren't necessarily maybe
what we would all consider.
Now we have some great singers.
And I think I think it's amazingwhen when like we'll get to
Stableton.
Like, I love Stapleton.
Right.
Amazing singer, has a thing,amazing singer, generational

(28:41):
talent.
Like, we'll get to Stableton.
Love him.
Some of my favorite artistsnecessarily great.
I mean, I don't think wouldeveryone say Tom Petty was a
great singer.
No, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 (28:50):
I'm not when I when I say sing great singers, I'm
talking about stylists too.
That there's yes, I now I agree.
See, Megan, to me, and myproblem I'm not talking about
technically good, I'm talkingabout style, stylism.

SPEAKER_07 (29:01):
And that's what she doesn't have to me.
Yeah.
Is like a thing.
If her if her thing's justsitting there looking pretty, uh
that's what it I guess that'swhat it is, but uh there's got
then it's better be an amazingsong.
Yeah, something better be goingon.
I'm I'm happy she's havingsuccess.
I mean, I I I don't imagineanyone rushing out to buy a
Megan Moroni ticket.
I'm gonna be wrong.

SPEAKER_03 (29:22):
No, but she's pretty much she's pretty visible
though.
Like she's good she's doing oh,she's doing well if she
continues to do probably that.
I think she does have Elaine,and she seems to be doing pretty
good currently.
Yeah, I mean no, she started offgreat.

SPEAKER_04 (29:34):
Oh, she's got her thing.
I didn't know she was fromAlabama.

SPEAKER_03 (29:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (29:37):
Anyway, yeah, that was a new thing with her
Tennessee orange or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 (29:41):
Are you talking about are we talking about Ella
Langley?
No, I was talking about.
Oh no, I didn't know.
I just got a text from Zach, Ijust got a text from Zach Topp's
manager.
Really?
Yeah.
Because I congratulated him lastnight.
And he just now texted me.
It's wild that he just nowtexted me back while we're doing
this.
That's why he texts you back,period.

(30:02):
Really?
Seriously.
Yeah.
Because I used to write forthem.

SPEAKER_03 (30:06):
Oh, you're not gonna I thought you were gonna read it
aloud.

SPEAKER_04 (30:08):
Well, it's not it's I can't read that.

SPEAKER_03 (30:10):
Okay.
All right.
Well, ironically, uh Tullyalready touched on it, Chris
Stapleton.
That's the next thing we'regonna talk about because he was
the next performance uh and asbad as I used to be.
What do you guys think aboutthat?
Starting with Neil, bad as Iused to be, Chris Stapleton.
What'd you think?
I'm all in with Stapleton.

SPEAKER_04 (30:26):
He can sing whatever in the hell he's all in to sing.

SPEAKER_07 (30:28):
All in.
All in.
I love it.
I love his band.
Bass player's a friend of mine.
He's a talented guy.
I like obvious.
I like how they I like how theygo about everything.
You know, I think it's a coolband sound.
Yep.
Which I love.
And they play it live.
They play live, which and Chrisobviously played.
Yeah, and I just if you don'tlike Stapleton, I mean, again,
do I love every song?

unknown (30:49):
No.

SPEAKER_07 (30:50):
Actually, that wasn't my favorite.
That's not my favorite song.

SPEAKER_04 (30:52):
I've got a lot to talk about on the next Stapleton
performance.

SPEAKER_07 (30:55):
Okay, I can't wait.
Yeah, we've got anyway, alwaystop-notch.
To me, at least like the bandfeel of it.

SPEAKER_04 (31:02):
It's just like, but you know what?
You can tell the people that areup there that were born to do
that.
And that dude was created to dowhat he's doing.
He was born to do what he'sdoing.
There were some people out therethat you go.
Manufactured manufactured.
Manufactured.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, they're pretty,pretty, manufactured.
That dude, he was, he could go,he could be up there and have

(31:25):
cheese grits in his beard and itwouldn't matter.
Somebody hopefully.
He's gonna sell it.
Smothered, covered, andwhatever.

SPEAKER_03 (31:35):
Actually, I actually thought that, I mean, I I
thought that was for me as faras performance goes, and it was
early in the night, but Ithought that was a that was a a
solid standout performance.
I thought that's really good.
I like the song.
I thought that was solid.
And and Morgan, uh, his his wifelooked amazing.
I mean, she really lookedamazing.
I don't know if y'all know heror anything, but she's uh yeah,
so she she looked great, soundedgreat.

(31:56):
She's an amazing singer, also.
So I was anyways happy, happyfor them.
Yep.
Um so you had uh so up next uhyou did have performer uh Kelsey
Ballerini.
Okay, so that's a very differentthose two completely different
performances and songs.
Uh the song is called I Set inParks.
Did you listen to it?
First time I'd ever uh firsttime I'd ever seen it.

SPEAKER_04 (32:15):
What was it about?
Because I never did I never knewwhat it was about.

SPEAKER_03 (32:18):
So the gist of it was actually a very deep, you
know.
So and I don't know if that isher single.
I assume it is.
Um I would assume because Ihadn't I haven't seen the the
charts in a minute.
Um but it's it it seemed like itwas about um making a a choice
for a woman for career or havinga family and babies and stuff.
Wasn't it song?
I sit in parks.

(32:38):
I sit in the parks and sheobserves other other other
friends, you know, that andthey're due and they're they're
having babies and they're tiehernial.
I wait in parks.

SPEAKER_06 (32:47):
Oh god.
I sit in parks at gas stations.
No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_07 (32:51):
Tie hernits too close to home.
I sit in parks.
I walk in parks, I wait inparks.
So what was rain gags?
It was ideal.

SPEAKER_03 (32:58):
I think just because uh it was that was kind of a sad
part.

SPEAKER_06 (33:01):
Like she said in parks and sometimes it rains and
she's thinking of it as like howmany times are we gonna do this
rain gag?

SPEAKER_03 (33:07):
I know.

SPEAKER_06 (33:08):
I've seen that a lot.

SPEAKER_04 (33:09):
If I would have done that song, I would have been
dressed in a clown uniform.
Sit in parks.
I'm gonna give the wheel that'sa bit more than a clown outfit
on.
Dressed like it on a swing.
I give the whole thing.

SPEAKER_07 (33:25):
Really?
You didn't like to I can't evenget past uh sitting on a swing.
Yeah, well, for a park.
It made sense.
It's kind of like the cabooch.
Okay.
It's the same thing.
Like like Kelsey's like I have awhole general thought on the
female genre in country music,and we'll get to that after.

(33:47):
But you're doing a hell of a jobon this scroll, so I don't want
to be a good one.

SPEAKER_03 (33:54):
Anyway, I I've never had any songs even close to
getting cut by Kelsey, but I didI did think that was a really
cool song and has great melodyand everything.
I never knew what it was about.
But I thought it was deep.
You can't do it.
I thought it was a deep subjectmatter.
Yeah, the rain ag through me.
I think a lot of people aregonna like that song.
You know?
It's raining your but uh parks.
All right, so you so you hadbest new artists next next to

(34:15):
shit and parks.

SPEAKER_07 (34:18):
Yeah, well, uh I like this role, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 (34:23):
So best new artist.
Uh we had uh Ella Langley,Shabuzi, Zach Topp, Tucker
Wetmore, and Steven Wilson Jr.
I forget who won.

SPEAKER_06 (34:34):
It was um Zach, right?

SPEAKER_03 (34:36):
So winner was Zach.
Yeah, with rightly so.
Yep.

SPEAKER_06 (34:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (34:39):
And uh I thought it was kind of cool.
He brought his cooers beer upthere, you know, branding.

SPEAKER_07 (34:44):
He's just good for country music.
Yeah, he really's just good forcountry music, and that's that's
where we need to come back tothat world and and more of that
to get out of the parks.

SPEAKER_04 (34:56):
I was so happy he won.
It's just launching pad, man.
But he's but the great thing.
I thought he was good for him.
I was happy for him.

SPEAKER_07 (35:02):
He is, he's great.
He's great.
So good, he's such a pro.
And he's got a thing, and thatand that's what I look for.
Like he's got a thing.
Stapled's got a thing.
You know, it's like Al Dean'sgot his thing, Luke Bryan's got
a thing, Kenny's got his thing.
We'll talk about Kenny.
That's right.
They all have their thing, andZach has that thing that he's
does great.
I love that.

(35:23):
I love it.

SPEAKER_04 (35:23):
It's effortless for him to he's another one that was
born to do what he's doing.
Anyway, great, great.
We all agree on that.

SPEAKER_03 (35:29):
They gave a good shout out to Carson Chamberlain,
you know.
And uh so it was really cool.
And then uh, but yeah, he wasreally good.
That that was, I will say, thatwas a that was a fairly, I
thought a fairly good categoryin the sense that there could be
two or three people that couldhave won that, nobody had been
really surprised, you know, oror super ticked off, you know.
So um, so I thought that waskind of cool.

(35:50):
Uh did okay, so the Billy BobThornton thing, he came out uh
to talk.
Did anybody notice anything thatwas that caught your eye on
Billy Bob at all?
It's just that he was wearing itlooked like a scarf, like a gray
bandage underneath.
That's what he does.
Does he always do that?

SPEAKER_06 (36:07):
Well, he does it a lot.

SPEAKER_03 (36:08):
Okay, it looked like he had just came from the
hospital.
Um Wow.
Don't upset Billy Bob.
We don't upset.
I love you, Billy Bob.
But yeah, edit edit that out,Jim.
Edit that out.
Edit that out.
Uh uh Tully told me to.
Uh you know.
Uh so we had uh performers next.
Oh, uh Red Clay Strays.
Okay.
Oh my gosh.
So um I won't give my I won'tgive my thoughts yet.

SPEAKER_05 (36:32):
I love that shit.

SPEAKER_03 (36:33):
Let's start with uh let's start with Neil.
What did you think about thesong and the performance and
them in general as an act?

SPEAKER_04 (36:40):
About half the show.
Because I'm you know, I'm a songguy, so I'm trying to understand
what they're saying, and I can'tunderstand what they're saying.
I had a hard time.
I can't.
I mean determined.
It sounded cool.
It sounded really cool.
I'm uh I love the arrangementand all that stuff.
And my wife, Lana, she loves thered clay strays.
I'm a huge fan, yeah.
Huge fan.

(37:01):
And I'm just now jumping onboard, but I'm like, okay, so
this is my big introduction toRed Clay Strays, and I can't
understand what they're saying,so I don't know what the song
you could, because that song issomething they wrote after
Charlie Kirk's death.

SPEAKER_06 (37:15):
And it was in response to that.
It was basically they couldn'tbelieve the reaction that was
coming from his death and thepeople that were somewhat
celebrating and then peoplefighting and hating.
Now I wish I could haveunderstood what they were
saying.
Yeah, it's and I had heard ofthem before, but the song I knew
was like this 50s soundingthing.

(37:37):
But the guy is a really cool asssinger.
Yeah.
Uh my only question was I don'tknow.
Are they country?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (37:45):
I I don't know, I don't know, and I really don't
care because like you said, likeeven before I saw him last
night, which last night was alittle, you know, it it was
different than the other stuffthat I'd heard, and I was a huge
fan, and when they came on, Itold my wife, I said, Oh, you
gotta you gotta listen to them.
I love these guys, right?
And I couldn't tell you thenames of their songs yet, but I
really, really love them.
And and and uh is it it's uhBrandon Coleman, right?

(38:07):
That's like it's that's the leadsinger.
Anyway, he's got kind of anElvis thing to him a little bit,
you know, and he's very, verycool.
But then when they played thatsong, and I couldn't hear the
words either, and then I waslike, Oh, that's totally not
like what I it isn't what theydo.

SPEAKER_06 (38:22):
Yeah, it isn't what they do, but I I loved it, but
and I'll say this dude.

SPEAKER_07 (38:27):
I I love any that front man is dripping with
charisma.
Like that's a good thing.
You get a front man like that,and I I love that.
I th and I like the song.
I like it, it's aggressive andcool.
I you know, it's it thearrangement's a little heady.
It is, you know, which I themusic like it's a very, very
band feel they have going, whichI really like.
Same thing I'll say, like it'swill it connect uh you know, on

(38:52):
a huge level?
It can.
Because we got a singer likethat.
It's yeah, the world's youroyster.

SPEAKER_06 (38:57):
Like I started doing that today as I was going
through all my stuff while I waswaiting.
I started going through some oftheir stuff.
It's really cool.

SPEAKER_03 (39:05):
It's really cool.

SPEAKER_06 (39:06):
It's really they've got a great opportunity.
Will it be mainstream?
I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_07 (39:10):
But you know, I feel like they it it But that guy is
good.
Yeah, he is I I just love seeingbands having their moment.
Like I just I think that'sawesome.

SPEAKER_05 (39:22):
I love it.
You could tell they wereplaying, dude.
The tempo was all over theplace.
Yeah, the tuning was on dustback.
Which I love.
I did too.

SPEAKER_07 (39:31):
That's how it's supposed to be.
It's supposed to be uh like rawand greasy, and it's a band
feel, and and you know, to behonest with you, when you got a
front man like that, like I'mnot really blown away by anyone
in the band.
Yeah.
Oh no.
They're they're very it's thesinger.
It's the singer, and and that'smagic to me.

(39:51):
Like you know, it's aggressive.
Like I with you, like I youknow, it was it was aggressive,
but man, he sold it, and it'slike, is it country?
I was I was asking the samething, like, man, I really like
I really like that.
I don't know if it's countrycountry chart or that I don't
know.

SPEAKER_03 (40:05):
Because that that was the first time I'd heard it,
but that didn't mean anything.

SPEAKER_07 (40:07):
I think I looked at the chart and I think I was
curious about it, and it wasn't.
Yeah, but um, and and and thatbegs it like another question,
okay.
Like, you know, what what is it?
And maybe that's cool.
Yeah, maybe that's cool.
I don't know, but I certainlydidn't not like it.
I and I look that front man tome is oh I loved it.
Yeah, he is he's he's sellingit.
Yeah, he's what you want to do.
He's great.

SPEAKER_03 (40:26):
And I and I couldn't the the so the second time when
I was listed, I was like, allright, I gotta figure out what
this song says.
And I could tell it was apolitical song, but I really
couldn't tell, you know, uh whatit was about.
The gist of it was is lovethose, love those that you hate,
you know, so it's kind of a youknow, be more of a lover, not a
hater type thing, you know.
It was very it was very general,um, but but I it was

(40:49):
interesting.
But I uh so and I again I don'tknow if that's a radio single,
we'll see how that does, but Ithought they were a solid
performance.
I do like those guys, and I lookforward to hearing more from
them for sure.
Um so you got Song of the Yearnext.
Okay.
All right, so you had uh just asa reminder, four by four by you.
Um I don't know any of theseshots.
Yeah, uh Lane Laney Wilson andthat's uh Am I Okay, Megan

(41:12):
Moroney, I Never Lie, Zach Top,uh Texas, uh Blake Shelton.
I actually hadn't heard thatthat song.
Uh it's the only one I hadn'theard.
Uh and then You Look Like YouLove Me.
And the winner of that is uh YouLook Like You Love Me.
So it's the theme of an of ofthe night.
So we'll start with Kurt thistime.
What did you think about thatwin?
Did you think anything wasovershadowed?

SPEAKER_06 (41:34):
I probably listen to country radio less than anybody
here, so I don't know a lot ofthose songs.
I actually didn't even know Ihadn't heard that full song.

SPEAKER_03 (41:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (41:44):
Seems like it's a good regular country song, which
I like.
Uh I do like him and I like her,so I'm fine with it.
I'm fine with it.

SPEAKER_03 (41:56):
How about you know any?
I'm indifferent to it.
Did you any other any songs thatyou feel like out of out of
those, like like ooh, it couldhave been this one?

SPEAKER_04 (42:03):
I wasn't I wasn't familiar.
I'm like I'm like Kurt.
I hardly ever listen to countryradio.

SPEAKER_03 (42:08):
Yeah, I think two or three could have won that one.

SPEAKER_04 (42:11):
Yeah, I spend all my time listening to our podcast.
Right.
And that's great.
That's that that's great.
That's right.
Which everyone should do.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (42:19):
Well, even Ella said uh uh she got up there and she
said, Well, dang Zach, thoughtthought you had this in the bag.
I'm a little surprised to get uphere.
So she was giving him a littleshout out.
I had to I had to rewind thatbecause at first I thought she
was busting on him.
I thought, uh that but shewasn't.
I think she was just giving hima little, you know, like, hey, I
thought your song was gonna winbecause I love it.
So I thought it was a big thing.

SPEAKER_07 (42:38):
Well, she's just being insecure because Riley
turned her down.

SPEAKER_03 (42:41):
Well, and that and there too, you know.

SPEAKER_07 (42:42):
I don't even know if that's even true, but I feel
like it is now.
I I I I saw I feel like I I feellike I saw like a clip of her on
stage and someone yelling at herlike, Riley should have held on
to you, and she like made thislike weird like, oh, he should
have.
Oh, so that's real Intel then.
So you've got some real Yeah,he's got deep.
I haven't got a deep dive.

(43:04):
No, no, not so much.
No, we'll see.
Yeah.
Riley come over and pull my headoff my shoulders though.
And the guy's very strong.

SPEAKER_04 (43:11):
Till he watches General Hospital.

SPEAKER_03 (43:13):
I used to do that when I was too much.
I will say too, uh, for onRiley.
I thought he was in both ofthose uh wins, he was very
gracious.
I mean, I thought he was a atrue uh gentleman and kind of
let her, you know, have much youknow the mic.
I thought I thought he was Ithought he was very cool too.

SPEAKER_07 (43:32):
Anybody with biceps that big?

unknown (43:33):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (43:34):
Oh, yeah, he could crush all of us.
But that was that was a good winfor them.
Uh so so the uh next you hadokay, so this is a this was a uh
uh next performance was StephenWilson Jr., of which I hadn't
heard him before.
I've seen I've seen his name.
Are you serious?
Never never heard him.
And so let's start with Neil.
What did you think about thatfirst performance?

(43:55):
I've always been a fan of hisokay.

SPEAKER_06 (43:56):
Uh why did you do it stand by me?
That was my only question.

SPEAKER_04 (44:01):
I watched the He's got so many good songs he's
written.
I was wondering too.

SPEAKER_03 (44:05):
I think it's tied into because I watched in the
red carpet thing, it's tied intoa movie, I think.
That's kind of a Stephen King uhmakes sense movie.
I think I think that, and Ithink the other one later, which
we'll talk about, I think thatone too is for is for a movie.

SPEAKER_04 (44:18):
But um, out of all the artists that I've seen come
along in a while, he's like oneof the most unique, one of the
most stylistic guys I've everseen.
And some of his songs just blowme away, man.
Yeah.
The way he writes, the way hephrases things.
Yeah.
I just think he's cool as crap.

(44:39):
I really do.
I'm a huge fan of his.

SPEAKER_03 (44:43):
What you got?
What you got through?

SPEAKER_07 (44:46):
That's that's saying something.

SPEAKER_04 (44:49):
No, I think I think he's I think he's like totally
legit in the in the originalcategory for sure.
I'm a huge fan of the thing.

SPEAKER_07 (44:58):
I like him.
I mean, I I I was like, oh, thisis he's really good.
I mean, I don't know much abouthim to be fair.

SPEAKER_06 (45:03):
But I but I I mean it was good.
Super unique, super cool.
I kind of had the same thoughtas the Red Clay Strays.
It's like, this is reallydifferent.
Is it country?
Is it on country radio?
Is he on country radio?
I don't know.
I don't think I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (45:19):
I'm gonna I'm gonna research it, but I'm not sure
about that.
Uh I I wouldn't imagine thatparticular song would be because
I think that was just a moment.
Uh of which I thought it was abut but finish your thoughts on
him.
That's it.
I like it.
I I thought for for a moment,you know, and like like for him,
being definitely a newer guy,um, I mean, to come out there
whether just a beat-up badassguitar and be out there by

(45:42):
yourself and sing that, heseemed so comfortable.
Like as soon as he startedplaying the guitar, I told
Rachel, I said, I already likethis guy.

SPEAKER_07 (45:50):
I like I like the way he played it.

SPEAKER_03 (45:51):
I like it because when he was playing that little
you could tell you too.
All right, he's he's got a lotof talent.
And he stood up there and he hewelled on that thing.
And it was interesting becauseas a as a like Neil, Neil being
a singer and just watching him,he he didn't open his mouth
much.
That's quite like real.
I wonder if you have to singreal hard to get that out.

SPEAKER_02 (46:12):
That's a more man.
He didn't move his mouth.
It was it it was interesting.

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SPEAKER_06 (48:20):
TK was just asking if we're back, and we are back.
And I was about to ask Kalo aquestion off air, but I'm gonna
ask it on air.
Ooh.
Pressure.
Yeah.
Live action.
Because everybody loves Kalo andKalo loves everybody.
Kalo's.
Is there somebody that you wouldgo on record as, like, say a
performance last night thatyou'd be like, I just don't, I

(48:41):
don't like that.
I didn't care for it.

SPEAKER_03 (48:43):
Yes.
Really?
And it's coming later in thepodcast.

SPEAKER_06 (48:47):
Okay.
Tease.
Is it really?
I know what it is.
I know what it is, too.
It might be the same one.
It might be the same one.
It's gotta be.
It's probably all of our.

SPEAKER_04 (48:55):
Does it have to do with polyester?
Uh possibly.

SPEAKER_03 (48:58):
That's what they call a tease.
Yes.
Yes.
We'll talk about that.
I but but yeah, that's a goodquestion.
I do try to find the you knowthe good in things, you know,
but sometimes, you know, even Iare like, not sure if that
needed to be there.
But uh anyway.
All right, what you got for it?
I was thinking of that this oneof the one of the commercials

(49:20):
that made me think of Thrash,you know.
December 12th, ABC is coming outwith a docuseries behind the
scenes, Taylor Swift, The End ofa Era.
The End of an Era?
Yes, I think it was like sixepisodes.
We'd be so lucky.
Um I was wondering if you weregonna if you were gonna tune
into that and watch that.
DVR.

SPEAKER_04 (49:39):
I moved on from that.
That's all right, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 (49:41):
I thought I I I looked at that, and of course,
Rachel's a huge fan.
Yeah, or I thought, you know,I'm I'm gonna probably watch
that just because she's such amachine.
I'm kind of interested, youknow, to see if you get any, you
know, behind the scenes typestuff of how she thinks and
business-wise.

SPEAKER_02 (49:57):
All right.

SPEAKER_03 (49:57):
Interesting.
But uh anyway, so we got uh sothey they introduced the uh
because we're talking about thisoff air with Chesney and
everything, the newest uhcountry music hall of fame uh
members.
You had June Carter Cash, whichis awesome.
You had Tony Brown, which isawesome, you know, musician,
producer, and everything, beenaround forever and has done so
many records.

(50:17):
And then they had Chet Chesney,who has a new book uh that's the
number one best time sellerright now called called Heart
Like Music.
Uh you're welcome, Kenny, forthis huge plug.

SPEAKER_06 (50:28):
Um we just sold you three books.
We just sold you three books.
Yeah, right, right.
That's exactly right.

SPEAKER_03 (50:33):
Uh and he did a cut he did a couple songs.
Um uh American Kids uh was wasone, and then uh what anyway,
what'd y'all think about uhCheszi's?

SPEAKER_06 (50:42):
Kenny, first of all, we love Kenny.
Kenny is not a great singer,that's not a secret.
He I don't think he would claimto be.
But you notice when he did histhing, and we'll talk about the
second song coming up, but thefirst one I'm not gonna say I'm
a I'm a fan of that song, buteverybody in the place was
having a good time.
Yeah, and that's Kenny Chesney.

(51:03):
That's right.
Yeah, uh it doesn't have to be asinging contest.
Kenny never made it a singingcontest because he knows that's
not what he his thing is.

SPEAKER_04 (51:10):
He's not auditioning anymore.

SPEAKER_06 (51:12):
No, yeah.
Uh so I didn't think he sangparticularly well.
I don't think it mattered.

SPEAKER_04 (51:18):
No.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (51:19):
And he gave a great shout out to to Brett.

SPEAKER_04 (51:22):
I was so happy that he was a tribute to him.

SPEAKER_07 (51:26):
Yeah.
That's why that's how Kenny is.
I know it.
Ken Kenny is very thoughtful.
He thinks about everything likethat.
And it's you know, but Kurt,like I never really loved the
American Kids song.
Like I uh Luke Laird wrote that.

SPEAKER_03 (51:38):
I actually do love that's one of my favorite.

SPEAKER_07 (51:40):
Again, it's like it's it's just not my kind of
thing.
It's it's very cute and light,right?
And I for whatever that doesn'tspeak to me of that stuff, but
it's great.
Yeah, it's a great song.

SPEAKER_06 (51:50):
And it's great for his audience.

SPEAKER_07 (51:52):
Yes, and it's it's very well written.

SPEAKER_04 (51:53):
There's a lot of songs that we we may not like,
but they're good songs.
Exactly.
For sure.

SPEAKER_07 (51:58):
Not everybody likes the same type of music.
Um but the tribute to tourettewas so classy.
And what I love about Kenny wasit's the first time of the whole
night where I felt like there'sa superstar.
That's what I mean.
We have a superstar back nowfrom from what remains of

(52:23):
Nashville and the way it wasdone.
It's like there is a superstar,it feels like it, it's Kenny
Chesney.
Everybody's like, there's Kenny.
And I and that I'm not sayingthat we don't have those coming
up.
We we do have some superstars onthe rise, obviously.
But it's different.

SPEAKER_04 (52:39):
How was Kenny not in the entertainer of the year
category?
Well, we're gonna have to waitto get there.
We'll get there because I'm justteeing it up, guys.
I know.

SPEAKER_03 (52:47):
I'm just teeing it up.
I was just, you know, I didn'tnotice that that he had, and I
haven't seen him this waybefore.
Maybe he does, but he had tennison.
He had tennis shoes on, yeah.
Yeah.
Which I thought was interesting.
I mean, it looked good.
Look good.
But it's like Cowboy had intennis shoes, and he's just
comfortable as all get out, youknow.
So I thought that was.

SPEAKER_04 (53:02):
Maybe dealing with gout.

SPEAKER_03 (53:04):
Or planter facet.
Yes.
We don't know.
Yeah, we don't know thesethings.

SPEAKER_06 (53:08):
And he's no spring chicken.

SPEAKER_03 (53:09):
You know.
Um good shape, you know, butmight be a little bit more.
Well, what about the vocal?
Did you pull something?

SPEAKER_06 (53:14):
Does the vocal bother you guys?

SPEAKER_03 (53:16):
It it didn't it didn't bother me.
I don't like like you said, Idon't really assess that that
much.
Uh, because I I I like the song,and I was I was mainly thinking
during his performance, what ishe gonna do?
Is he gonna say thing anythingabout Brett?
Yeah, you know, and then when heplayed When Sun Goes Down, you
know, I thought I did think itwas cool that they had you know
Brett's picture up there andsaid I said Brett James, you

(53:37):
know, we miss you, we love you,and had four different you know
pictures of of him up there,which I thought was cool.
I was kind of hoping, you know,uh I wish somebody would have
said something actually, youknow, like hey, we lost, you
know.
Yes.
Um, but then I then I startedthinking, one, it's it is a TV
show.
There is and and ten seconds isa lot, you know.

(53:58):
So so I was thinking maybe, youknow, as far as the world goes,
a lot of people don't knowwriters' names.
So so that's why they gave himthat.
I could say that they gave himthe shout-out for all of us.

SPEAKER_07 (54:10):
You know that was Kenny's idea.
That's right.
It definitely wasn't theproducer's idea.
That was Kenny Chesney's idea.
That's why that happened.
Kenny did it.

SPEAKER_03 (54:19):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 (54:19):
Don't let anyone take I get I will trust me, the
producers did not.
They don't even think about themusic.
Producers they just see.
They see content.
That's their word.
But Kenny did that for Brett,and I th well I think that was a
classiest move.
Not surprising because Kenny'slike that.

(54:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (54:42):
Yeah, that yeah, definitely cool to be a good
thing.

SPEAKER_07 (54:43):
That's why Chesney is successful.

SPEAKER_03 (54:46):
Yeah, and he didn't use his that time to to promote
his you know current single orsomething like that.
He did that for Brett, which Ithought was really cool.
Um, and then uh discovered as uhBailey Zimmerman came out uh to
to do an announcement that hehas a DHD.
I didn't know that.
He can go away whenever he'sready.
I will say he's very he was verylikable and energetic.

SPEAKER_06 (55:06):
I will say we're very white.

SPEAKER_03 (55:08):
I will say that.
Did you notice that?
No, I didn't notice that.

SPEAKER_06 (55:10):
So it was like Ross from Friends.
So annoying.
Interesting.
Remember that episode where Rosshad just teeth load in the dark.

SPEAKER_03 (55:17):
Yeah, I do remember the episode.

SPEAKER_06 (55:19):
That's the only thing I thought about when
Bailey came.
Now that vocal would bother me.

unknown (55:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (55:22):
Yeah.
So um anyway.

SPEAKER_07 (55:24):
Anyway, so we had uh I'll let you get Neil's take on
the on that.
That vocal had let loose.

SPEAKER_03 (55:30):
All right, so we've already kind of touched on this.
They brought in the performerswith uh Old Dominion, they did a
did a you know mashup of like uhfour or five hits.

SPEAKER_06 (55:38):
Yeah, why why did they get like this uh all that
time for like I guess the BillyJoel catalog or something?

SPEAKER_07 (55:46):
So I guess they knew they're gonna be going to end
with Snat back.

SPEAKER_03 (55:48):
I mean, well you fit you figured that they were gonna
win when they're getting thatmany pieces that that amount of
time, you thought, okay, they'rethey're winning.

SPEAKER_06 (55:54):
I was just curious why they sure they they were
there to do that.
I was very confused.

SPEAKER_07 (56:01):
Yeah.
Because it's not like thiscatalog of I mean, I'll get
maybe maybe it's me.

SPEAKER_06 (56:06):
Well, it is you, and it is me, but there are because
a lot of people love OldDominion and those kinds of
songs.
It's not my thing.

SPEAKER_07 (56:15):
But you're not going to see Old Dominion headlining
at the Horizon Center.
No.
So you have a and they've talkedabout they've had, I mean, talk
about Kenny.
Back to Kenny.
He has put those guys onanything Kenny does, Old
Dominion's there.
And I I like those guys for one.

(56:38):
They're good guys.
This comes back again to thestyle of music, and that what
they do, I think they they aregood at it.
And the front man, I like thatfront man.
Yeah.
I it's not my kind of music.
So maybe it's a me thing.

SPEAKER_03 (56:52):
I like it because the because the phrasing is
silent cool.

SPEAKER_06 (56:56):
No, I said it is a you thing.

SPEAKER_03 (56:57):
But I said it's the same for Kurt.
He's that's not a good thing.
But it is a me thing as well.
Okay.
And I I really like them.
I think I think they're I thinkthey're they're great.
I like I love one man band.
Love that song.
No, I will say I think that's agood one.
Love Hotel Key.

SPEAKER_07 (57:09):
My favorite one man band, I think, is my favorite
one they had.

SPEAKER_03 (57:13):
Yeah, it's really, really solid.

SPEAKER_07 (57:14):
They're good at what they do.
It's that very light, light,lovey.
It's very sweet.
Yeah, it's uh if you can getit's Keith Urban Light, which
it's harder to get lighter thanthat.
But but I will say, as a band, Ilike seeing bands have success
at any level, and they're andthey're I would curl, like I

(57:37):
don't know if I would have donethe five or six song medally,
but they're good at what theydo.
They're good at what they do.
Yeah, yeah.
Firm but fair.

SPEAKER_03 (57:46):
Yeah.
Anything there on that?
Press on.

SPEAKER_04 (57:50):
I have nothing.
So we had that's I mean, I'mjust like, I mean, they're good.
I love the singer's voice.
I'm with y'all on that, but I'mlike, I think you're coming back
to what I was saying earlier.
I'm like we have a huge void inthe band category.
The vocal group slash bandcategory.
There's a huge void right now tobe filled by somebody that kicks

(58:16):
ass.
Yeah.
We need somebody and move theneedle.
If you had a band the needle islike right here just going
waiting on somebody.

SPEAKER_07 (58:23):
You know what's funny?
You say this, you're right.
There's a talent Okay, we talkabout Red Clay Straight, super
talented.
Um Dominion talented.
It's like if there's a band whoout there that had all that
component of great front man,great talented, great singers,
who did great songs.

(58:45):
It is wide open.
It it's it's for I I like catchycommercial songs that are great.
That's what I like.
I mean I I I love the indiesounding stuff too.
Like the Red Clay Strays remindme of a really like they sound
indie to me right now.
It is kind of so and maybethat's what it's gonna be and

(59:05):
and people will grab onto it.

SPEAKER_04 (59:07):
I want our listeners to know that we're not dissing
the artist because it's not onthem.
They're just chasing a dream,they're doing what they want to
do.
100%.

SPEAKER_07 (59:15):
Well, yeah, at least the Red Clay Strays are doing
what they want to do.

SPEAKER_04 (59:17):
You know, it's the business that it's it's their
job to put the best, the creamof the crop, into the into the
hunt.
And we don't we're not dissingon the artist at all.
They're doing what they love,and that's awesome.
We all are doing that.

SPEAKER_06 (59:32):
And it's the beauty of music, it's subjective.
It's like some people love it,some people don't.

SPEAKER_03 (59:36):
That's that's well, yeah, and music is awesome.
Yeah, and the fact I mean thefact is we're talking about, you
know, the people that made it tothe CMA stage.
You know, so they're doingpretty good.
That's what people.
Um so then you had uh oh sorry,were you gonna say something?
You had uh Steve Martin, AllisonBrown come out, um and Steve

(59:57):
still plays that banjo, which isreally cool.
Uh but they're the album albumof the year is what they were
presenting.
So you had Am I Okay?
And Megan Moroney, Cold Beer andCountry Music, Zach Top, F1
Trillion, um I'm the uh I'm theProblem and Whirlwind, right?

SPEAKER_07 (01:00:17):
Laney win that Laney won that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:19):
So so yeah, so so Laney won Jay Joyce is the uh
producer there.
So what'd y'all think about thatcategory?

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:26):
Which one?

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:27):
Which one on the uh just album of the year with uh
Laney One, but you didn't know.
I wasn't compared to Post andWall and I actually forgot
Morgan was in that conversation.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:37):
I haven't dissected albums.

SPEAKER_06 (01:00:40):
It seems ludicrous to me that you know boy that I
don't want to start talking,you're right.
I don't even want to get on thatsubject because it's albums are
not albums anymore.
No, they're not.
So he's like what is an album?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:52):
But if you're gonna if you're gonna give it to
somebody, you give it to MorganWallen.
You give everything he'snominated for to Morgan Wallen
right freaking now.
I agree with you Neil what areyou doing insane?

SPEAKER_07 (01:01:04):
That's what people that's why they don't take these
shows seriously.
That's exactly right.
They have uh they have ruinedMorgan has been keeping the
lights on in this genre for afew years.
And I'm talking like you'redoing multiple nights in
stadiums worldwide.
Give me a break.
You're selling every song heputs out is huge in one way or

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another.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01:27):
It's it's absurd and I guess we're just diving into
it and let's touch on it oreverybody talk about it.
It's ridiculous.
It's preposterous it'sembarrassing.

SPEAKER_07 (01:01:38):
It really is.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01:39):
That do you know that Morgan did not win a single
award at any award show thisyear.
Or Grammys, ACM Grammys ACM CMA.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:46):
Nothing.
Which shows you that none of itfor those of you out there that
think it's fan voted and thefans have anything to do with
this that ought to tell youeverything.
There's your answer right there.
Well the CMA this definitelyisn't fan C Mm it's so political
just like everything else in ourworld it is our I voted for
Morgan.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:05):
Yeah the C I mean's definitely not you guys vote?
We get our votes are not are notfan voted for sure is for the
listeners out there.
Who'd you vote for?
Morgan.
Yeah yeah yeah we all did yeahbecause it's not against anybody
else it's just like he's he'sthe biggest right now you know
he just is he's the biggest butthen and that's why to to not
give him this stuff it's likeit's like guys if you want

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people to take this seriouslyand and not look like you're you
know the Chamazers not a singleaward this year.

SPEAKER_06 (01:02:35):
Not not one it's embarrassing.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:39):
And and you know the artists that are up there
holding the trophy they know ittoo.

SPEAKER_06 (01:02:42):
Yeah you can almost kind of feel it you can almost
kind of see it in their facelike I saw Ernest he came out
with a quote today that said hevoted for Laney because he says
Morgan doesn't give an F aboutthese awards which there's a
reason he doesn't give an Fabout them.
Right?
Well he's he's printing money.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:59):
Yeah, when you work your tail off and you've you own
the industry right now and youown the world with your music
right now and they're snubbingyou.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:06):
Why would you like exactly yeah why would you want
to come and show up yeah my mylife my wife is like uh says he
doesn't I bet he doesn't careand maybe he doesn't but maybe
he does you know he doesn't carenow because he's been forced not
to care.
Yeah yeah I mean to me if I werehim it would it would bug me.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:25):
I'd be like all right what have I you know what
have I got to do it's kind oflike Al Dean w uh we've
definitely seen our share ofsnubbing and well after try that
in a small town we Oh that'swhat I would we were trying to
we're not getting nominatedwe've got a pretty big song out
right now and we we're notplaying no and it's it's it's
but going back to try that in asmall town it's like one of

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twenty five songs in countrymusic history that have topped
out on all charts.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:54):
Yeah yeah like it didn't like 1950 like 22 songs.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:58):
And they did everything they could to our
song and to make it disappear wedon't want to hear that we don't
want to hear from that again andit's but it's a perfect example
it's not about the numbersanymore.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:08):
Morgan and Aldean and other people we're not
fitting into the narrative thatthey're creating.
And you can see it you can seethe narrative you can you know
you can look at it and you'vebeen in this business a long
time.
It's not about the music andabout what songs best or what
are it's their narrative.
It's like that's why they gotyou know Kelsey in a swing and
Meghany dressed up in pink andyou you got some indie kind of

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stuff.
You know as much as I likeSteven Wilson and all these guys
red clay strays as much as Ilike it there's other I I don't
want to say that theyeverybody's great.
Red Clay Strays are reallyreally great.
But man but you're right how doyou not have an Al Dean on there
a Luke Bryan or a for the forthe for the crowd for the

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listening watching audience incountry music world give them
give them the stars you knowwhy?
Because they come out they comeout every tour and give it back
to us and CMA needs toappreciate the fan base more and
they refuse to it's like MorganWallen deserves to win the fans

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are going to his shows in drovesthere's your entertainer of the
year done next done don't evenhave the there's a lot of stuff
on social media now about aboutthe snub the Morgan Wallin snub
well it's every it's every yearit's just getting ridiculous.

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:28):
It is it's it is you know but you know all right that
was a that was a little bit of athere's one spy I'm waiting to
get all right anyway so hey dodo y'all know that that that
Bert is it Crisher or ChrischerI guess he's a he's a comedian.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:44):
So I hadn't seen him before so he came out and he
showed his stomach it remindedme of like Bobby Pence and you
know at a red light you know toa bunch of college cheerleaders
he's he'll always he'll alwaysdo that.
It's just so funny.
But one thing he said you knowand it didn't get a ton of a ton
of laughs.
You could tell they wanted tolaugh but he's talking about his
wife him and his wife being inNashville and they did all the
stuff and Broadway went to eathot chicken and everything like

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that and he said he said heyjust just you know pro tip that
says when you get back to thehotel room and you've eaten hot
chicken uh make sure you washyour hands thoroughly um because
my wife was not happy and I'mlike whoa okay which kind of
like kind of like okay but youcould tell like the people there
like oh should we laugh at thatyou know should should we so it

(01:06:26):
was pretty it was pretty funnythat was definitely a moment in
there but um but anyway Ithought he was kind of funny uh
you got performers all right soyou had uh shaboozy and Steven
Wilson Jr.
Okay so I was wondering whatthat was going to be like you
know because and I hadn't heardthis song either um but I think
the title is Stay Out Here for awhile I guess I guess that's
what it is uh not sure but didy'all listen to that like

(01:06:49):
dislike performance I'm not abig shabozy fan so I probably
turned away yeah because youdidn't so you didn't really
listen did you listen I think Ididn't listen I didn't really
listen either okay um I thoughtthat I remember looking at the
set then turning away it's likewalking down through some sort
of field or something yeah yeahyeah is it's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_07 (01:07:07):
Yeah it's fine I I don't like you know I can I
can't either I I can't do it Imean tip C a bar song I can't do
it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:14):
When Merle Haggard is your best is my you know your
your favorite country singer ofall time me Merle's my favorite
of all time I'm I'm going to popit's just a booz he comes on
preference I can't I mean I justI don't know what that is I
really don't yeah I don't know Imean just artist wise you mean

(01:07:34):
yeah I don't know where he wherethat fits in yeah I I I really
don't I thought you know andlike we've talked about before
it there's a lot of it's gonnabe hard hard on him because he
has such a massive you know hitlike how how do you follow that
and this was such a uh adifferent lane front from that
but I did think it was reallycool and I I looked at the lyric

(01:07:55):
I can't speak any on anythingbecause I don't it's so far
removed from what I feel thesame way about him as I did when
Walker Hayes had that hugeApplebee's song that took that
took me a second.

SPEAKER_07 (01:08:09):
That was a huge song it was a huge song it was a
massive song yeah feel the sameway I mean I didn't Applebee's I
can't I feel the same way I feelthe same way like I'm not gonna
knock any of them I'm notknocking I mean I mean they they
did well I'm huge somebody lovedthese has like 15 kills a lot of
people he needs somebody lovedyeah you know I mean I don't
like it's not my thing.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:30):
We can give our opinions it's fantastic man I I
would have done it if I wasshabozy I would have done a duet
with Zach Top Shaboozak that'swhat I would have done.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:41):
All right I like it all right anyway anyway I th I
did think that was a if you I'dI'd encourage you to listen to
the song I thought it was Ithought it was really good and I
do think that was one of the oneof the moments I thought that
was a good moment in the in theshow as far as the performance I
just can't I can't get thepicture of of those his shaboose
hair underneath the cowboy hat Ijust can't get that out of my

(01:09:04):
head it just seems sosacrilegious to me.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:08):
Sacrilegious somebody's hair is not
sacrilegious no no no just likethat coming out from underneath
the cowboy hat is what I'mtalking about.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:16):
Well all those I don't know those dreads or
whatever that is I don't knowwhat what it is well it's just I
mean it's a different it's adifferent look but I mean that's
that's that's him that's what heI just don't like the music but
with a hat on I'm like but Ithink you would like it if you
okay we'll go read I'm gonna I'mgonna list to it again but from
what I heard I think it was Ithink it was cool and kind of

(01:09:37):
gets you to do a song like that.

SPEAKER_07 (01:09:38):
I just again it's a beautiful thing about music
that's what that's great aboutit like I just you know he had
Tipsy which is a huge huge songtipsy a bar song I'm like I mean
there you go.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:55):
You know what I appreciate I appreciate his love
for country music.
I really do yeah I I appreciatethat I don't have anything
against the guy I just not mything I I don't either I
appreciate I'm I'm so I I canappreciate him I might like it a
little better than MeghanMoroney.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:11):
I don't know Caleb when we get to your person you
don't like yeah it's coming sowe got so uh next we had uh
vocal group of the year Lady ALittle Big Town Old Dominion
Rascal Flats Red Clay Strays thewinner was Red Clay Strays well
yeah but out of there's no oneelse to give it to that's even
so yeah so you got but the onething nobody has anything

(01:10:36):
currently out right I don'tthink I mean it's it's really
sad times do away with thecategory do away with it they
won.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:45):
I'm glad they won just because I am a new fan of
theirs so I thought I wasn't toomuch you know what you know what
I thought I was I thoughtactually thought since Brooks
and Dunn won duo of the year Ithought that the flats would
would get it I thought there wasa possibility I thought there
was a huge a big possibilitydairy wasn't there but because
because you know I mean they hada they toured last year that

(01:11:07):
sold out in two hours you knowand I'm like maybe they'll get
it because it was the same thingthat Brooks and Dunn did right
you know and they did one tourand it was huge and but you know
shot I think it would have beennice I I I was I voted for them
because I was like but theydidn't have any music out right
no they well they've got asingle out neither Brooks and

(01:11:28):
Dunn they didn't they didn'thave any music out they just
toured okay it's been a on atour and I I thought I thought
that the flats had a chance towin that too and then uh my wife
and so said hey Gary Gary Lavoxis not not there tonight.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:40):
I thought oh okay then they're not they're not
winning and the red clay straysplayed and also well so did old
Dominion though yeah but theonly real quickly because I
don't even want to spend anytime on that but like the I
think the red clay strays areawesome.

SPEAKER_06 (01:11:53):
That's not a vocal group to what you were saying
before it's a one guy it's a twogroup group guy with the band
you know which gives you one andhe's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:02):
He's a badass so one thing that was funny when he got
up there I know what he meansbut he said we'd like to thank
our wives and our girlfriendsand I thought that's kind of
funny.
I know what he mean like some upMark Mary but it's like wives
and girlfriends check all theboxes.
Kind of funny so um and then hehad another comment of one of
the poor guys lost his brotherto uh um to suicide which that

(01:12:24):
was that was really Baby gavehim a shout out and said God
bless to his brother who shouldbe on the stage with him and so
I thought that was nice he got achance to say that um all right
so you got Cody Johnson introinguh Laney Wilson okay for her
performance and he and he saysokay I just want this is a good
topic here but he introduced herand I'm sure it's on the monitor

(01:12:47):
and he had to read it but itsaid and she's a lady who knows
how to give the finger and thenhe says not that finger and
talking about her song ringfinger which is her that's the
hook of her song.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:57):
Yeah yeah so uh so anyway so what'd y'all think
about um what'd y'all thinkabout that song that performance
who started thrash well no I Ithink I was packing oh you so
you really did so you didn'treally go go to Kyle because I
no seriously I didn't I didn'tyeah go go I wasn't in the room

(01:13:18):
I wasn't in the room so I can'tcomment it's okay so like we're
oh my gosh here's what I thoughtI can't wait well no because
we've said this I love Laney welove Lainey she's fantastic I
support all of what she is I Iwasn't crazy about it I thought

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okay she's out here with her popdancers there's a rap track
trying to sound like kid rockcowboy just do your thing that
was just do your thing you're agreat country artist do that
when did the dancers start so Iwas a little it wasn't my thing
uh and I love Laney it justwasn't my thing she's so good

(01:14:03):
I've been saying it until I'mblue in the face they're letting
a golden opportunity yeah forand Laney's probably gonna be
huge for a long time she's sogood man so much she's gonna be
female right now yeah I knowit's so good I'm gonna freaking
dancers it's just a weird it's adistraction it's not it's a

(01:14:27):
she's got she's got a chance tobe and she probably will be a
Reba esque kind of kind ofcorrect that's exactly what she
was that I thought that's whatshe was trying doing a Reba type
I I I I'm not gonna lie and andI I think Laney's a a
generational talent but she'snot doing generational songs.

SPEAKER_07 (01:14:49):
And and and and you mix the song for me with that
kind of image and thatperformance and Laney's Laney
there's a lot going on.
She doesn't need all that she'san incredible singer right it's
a lot going on there's aespecially that song there's a
lot of a lot of production she'sit's a lot and it's like man

(01:15:12):
it's like when I when they onher tour um on her first
headlining tour you know how toshe spent half the show singing
in a truck in a truck you knowyou know Laney is so good just
let her do her thing.
I I don't love I don't I I I Ilove Laney I I haven't really

(01:15:34):
loved the last few songs.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:37):
I didn't think four by four by you was like man
somewhere over Laredo's I dug Idug that that that one like like
in I love her first song uh theuh truck one yeah yeah and I I
mean to me I don't think she's Idon't think she's missed like as
far as her her lane and whatshe's doing until and until uh
la last night.

(01:15:58):
Like I didn't uh you know and Idefinitely don't want to bash
her because like we said all thelove for her and she's you know
she's it right now in the femaleis this the one that you didn't
like is this it no this is notokay no it's it it's it's one
it's it's would be second in mydislike list um just because you
know what just like he uh like Iwould that wasn't a Laney Wilson

(01:16:19):
song to me like I was I was yeahbut yeah and just uh the
production and they had you knowhad the I don't know what
whatever that the sound was onthe mic which is what was a
little bit cool when it firststarted and I was a fresh listen
so I hadn't heard the song so Iwas interested in listening to
it seemed like I was trying toohard but then even in the lyric
you know we said something aboutum you know being on a a Jerry

(01:16:41):
Springer show you know like likebecause it it was a total
breakup thing you know he bitesthe ring and all that stuff and
and she got the ring he got thefinger and all that so which I
don't know and my first thoughtwas I think Jerry Springer that
show's not even on didn't hedie?
Didn't Jerry Springer die?
Is he done?
So to me as if I were in thatwriter room one if I was in the

(01:17:02):
writer room I'd be glad to be onthat song and I'd be telling
everybody how great it is yeahbut that'd be a point that you
might piss because we're not allyou might you might bring that
up but like yeah I just didn'tlove that for her and I'd like
to know who does like that song.
My favorite part was that at thevery end like like when it like
stop stop that is you rarely getthat kind of thing out again no

(01:17:26):
this is so rare Kayla.
But it'll probably do do welland I and I I wish her well
it'll probably be a big smashnumber one.
You know because she is doing sogood and maybe it might grow on
you it just didn't seem like itwas uh her type of song but
maybe it is yeah I don't knowokay but I think it is but it
doesn't matter.
But anyway uh so pressing oncongratulations Landia um all

(01:17:50):
right so you love you had uhElla Langley gave a great shout
out to the service members whichwas awesome fantastic at the
Fort Campbell soldiers there101st airborne which was great
and uh they gave a guy uh Nickuh colt culture I guess that
Chevy gave him a uh wheelchairaccessible traverse truck which
was amazing you know so Ithought that was really really
cool Chevy to do.

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Then you had uh Miranda Lambertand Chris Stableton as the next
uh performance and so uh whichend do you want to start let's
start with you start with me wehaven't started with you either
oh oh wow I wasn't quite readyfor that I'll say um and and I I
love I love Miranda and I loveStableton I love how we had to
set it up we look but just Iknow and there's there's a

(01:18:34):
button but super talented but Ifirst off the set kind of caught
me a little bit it was kind ofkind of look like uh remember
like the they kind of look at anold disco in a country version
of Soul Train.

SPEAKER_06 (01:18:45):
It was well that's what they were going for.
That's what they were going for.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:48):
Yeah and I don't I don't know and I don't even know
if that's a is that a song thatthey're putting out I don't I
don't know um but I put thatparticular performance in the
category of unnecessaryperformance let me tell you
something this was the one thatyou didn't like yeah the most I
just didn't like it I justdidn't and it didn't look like
Miranda was super comfortablewith it and and it looked like

(01:19:11):
also maybe while while they wereplaying it in the middle of it
they thought to themselves wemight not have should have done
this yeah that's just kind ofwhat it felt like to me
Stapleton had that all writtenall over his face.

SPEAKER_04 (01:19:24):
That's what it seemed like he's like what in
the hell did I put thispolyester suit on for he did I
mean you guys killed the box ina little bit I have yeah that
that's tied for the top with thethe the two worst ones that's
that's tied at the top because Iwas like what in the hell are
they doing?
Who approved this yeah and Iknow Stableton was like I cannot

(01:19:47):
believe I agreed to this it wasit was horrible.
I thought it was horrible.

SPEAKER_06 (01:19:50):
Yeah just not my flavor for sure I thought he was
great in it but I'm with you asfar as the overall thing I think
it's so hard to sing with himbecause he's so good like we're
all huge fans of Miranda but Iwouldn't want to sing a duet
with Stapleton.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:08):
It was but it was just not good it was they're
both fantastic but it was aterrible idea.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:13):
Well and their their vocals were fine it was that's
not the that's not the thingthey you know I um it was just
everything else I didn't likethe song very weak song I didn't
and I was stunned Stableton Iwas too who who convinced
Stapleton and Stapleton saidyes.

SPEAKER_07 (01:20:30):
Because he just does his thing I was really surprised
to see him in all the in allthat production yeah it's like
dude you're so good you shouldhave just left after your song
because you killed it.
He don't want to go back andwatch that not a good I just
didn't even from ground up Ididn't think that was a good
overall bad wasted time allright okay so uh next performer

(01:20:51):
Riley Green I didn't know he wasa guitar player but I thought he
did I I I thought that was uhwell we'll start Kurt You like
that it was uh I want you in theworst way song um I it's funny
because most of these songs thatI heard through the night it was
the first time I'd heard themyeah me too because I just don't
listen but uh I thought it wasgood it was good yeah I love

(01:21:13):
Riley Break me in half with onearm I definitely don't want to
hear him do a guitar solo introlike Stevie Ravon he's not a
guitar player so don't do stuffthat you're not great at in that

(01:21:40):
room it's like when Stabletonplays guitar he's got a legit
he's got a thing.
No he's legit I like Riley Rileyhe kind of broke the mold and
kind of blew me and me andKurt's theory out of the water
which was you remember we'vealways said like you know in
country music you know you don'tnecessarily need to be like too

(01:22:02):
good looking you know what Imean like especially if you're a
guy you don't want to be toogood looking well he's he's he's
a good looking dude um I don'tthink Riley thinks of himself as
the best singer which is Riley'sa cool freaking guy.
Yeah um I don't want to hear theguitar I don't want to hear him
play guitar but the song to mewhich been my complaint with

(01:22:25):
this song from the whole timeRiley I couldn't believe it.
Riley Riley's looks in thatvideo propelled that song the
song to me is it just doesnothing for me.
It's not like a great song.
It's him that sells the songyeah it's him which is that's
his again I appreciate okaythat's his brand I I don't hate
it I don't I just don't like thesong I know why he's doing it

(01:22:49):
very I mean I want you in theworst way.

SPEAKER_04 (01:22:52):
Yep that's it I want you in the worst yep yeah and
for all you listeners out thereor anybody else in the country
music world that want to dissour songs get a podcast.

SPEAKER_07 (01:23:02):
No they they do that all the time but oh yeah I think
I think the opposite I I thinkthat I think that'll be a big
song for Riley it's already beena big song you know it's a good
yeah see yeah it's a big song noit's not no it's I mean that's
my that's why I'm saying it'slike Riley's smart like what I
do like about Riley is he's agood looking guy but he's still
like got this rugged thinggoing.

(01:23:23):
Yeah you know what I mean it'snot like that's the difference
to Riley like he's he looks coolas shit like it's yeah you know
I mean my arms were very jealousof those biceps but well yeah he
he he's a he's got his thing I Idon't love that song but I but
the but that video was a bigdeal and it came out like he you
know it was a huge deal so womenlove him apparently I mean the

(01:23:47):
song's huge so I mean I think hewrote it by himself.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:51):
He's just I don't know I think he did I think he
wrote by himself but definitelythat's that's uh I don't want to
hear him do the cold open and ifyou are gonna do it at least
someone get the tone right Ididn't as a non-player I didn't
recognize that was being bad Ijust I listened to it it sounded
in tune to me and I thought oh Ididn't know he played that's

(01:24:13):
that was my only thought on thewell I mean I think he I think
he feels like someone told himoh you're a great guitar player
you should play but he's nothe's he's cool but I don't know
if I'd go out there and openwith with that you know it's
like and I've seen him do it onlike I've seen videos on

(01:24:33):
Instagram of him doing that one.

SPEAKER_07 (01:24:35):
Oh really?
Yeah so I knew it was coming.
Oh so it's like that's he'sturned that into his thing but
whoever his tech is do him asolid and do something.
Put a little more little driveon it or a little more air
around it.
It's just like guitar centertone.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:50):
So what you're saying is if I'm hearing you
right you didn't care for it.

SPEAKER_07 (01:24:56):
I'm gonna say this I completely get what he's doing.
I just I I don't musically Idon't care for it but I like
Riley's thing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:05):
He's got a thing though yeah like Riley's thing
yeah and uh he could kill all ofus Riley we love you at the same
time yeah so uh okay next nextperformance uh had Ella Langley
she had a uh new song that I Ihadn't heard maybe it's maybe
it's an older song but it's Ithink it's a new song choose
that's her current single Iguess it's good uh pretty solid

(01:25:28):
everybody think yeah it's uhit's another one of those things
that you like just because it'scountry yeah again do we have to
have the two steppers in thefront of the stage why what is
that why do we have to have itsuch a distraction man whoever's
producing these shows you don'tneed the two steppers it's
distracting just she's a prettygirl yeah what manager approves

(01:25:50):
that you know that's theproducers it's the producers and
the man talking to the managersand the manager is convincing
I've seen it and the manager isconvincing the artist this will
be cool this will look good.

SPEAKER_07 (01:26:02):
She's she's so good.
I know you don't you know whatshe is to me what's she doing
she mean she's like our countryversion Stevie Nicks.
Yeah that's what when she walksout on stage Ella Langley is the
closest thing we've got and willhave to Stevie Nix.
She's got a presence about herand she's pretty yes but like

(01:26:24):
there's an edge to her toothat's cool.
Yeah it's cooler that makes theMegan Moroneys and the Kelsey
ballerinis look plastic.
Yes and that's what I love.

SPEAKER_06 (01:26:33):
Which is why Ella's already getting to be bigger
than them already.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:38):
And Ella I have a great hook for you by the way a
great hook?

SPEAKER_06 (01:26:41):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:42):
Yeah she's doing she's blowing up me she's doing
like national commercials andstuff too she's doing great what
I like about her though I hope Ihope she um continues just with
a simplicity of what she'sdoing.

SPEAKER_07 (01:26:55):
I love Laney but I've whoever's dressing her can
we dial it back?
Just dial it back dial it back.
I don't think that's Laney'sthing to dial it back I saw her
on on one I know but I don'tknow how much of it's her dude
now Ella right Ella's great I'mI I like her style you know Ella
goes out there she's looks coolto me Laney like I saw a photo

(01:27:18):
shoot like she's dressed in likea Navajo like sack with like
these things it's like it's alot and then like she came out
it's a lot it's like Laney'slike great but Ella's cool yeah
yeah two totally different uhthings Laney is cool but it's

(01:27:39):
for some reason it's gettingit's getting like a lot to me.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:44):
I'm glad she changed the the the hat that Laney used
to wear just the shape of it itit always bugged me and I was
wanting one of her good friendsto suggest like the hats that
she's wearing now which lookreally great on her um but Laney
was on tour with us when shefirst got and she is I I I can't
even explain to you how awesomeshe is she's like she's like a

(01:28:05):
little sister for that she isand and to her credit like Laney
she was in Al Dean's ear likeevery night like getting advice.
And you had uh presenting nextyou had uh Brandon Lake and
somebody there so for MaleBookalist of the year that is so
male bookalist of the year LukeCombs Cody Johnson Chris
Stapleton Zach Topp MorganWallen the winner is Cody right

(01:28:27):
Cody Johnson uh thoughts it'sokay it's a great category okay
it is that's a that's a toughone it was full of legit you
know deserving guys that's atough one yeah okay I know there
so yeah congrats Cody I don'tknow Cody but I love his voice
and he also gave a nice shoutout to Stapleton which I thought
was very cool.
Then you had uh Tucker Wetmoreperform and I hadn't seen him

(01:28:50):
perform before I hadn't hadhadn't heard him I see him on
strip out because I look at thecharts and stuff to butt in but
uh on the performance there um Ithink the song uh wind up
missing you and let's start withTK uh song and performance what
do you think Tucker Wetmore takeit away can we start with artist
sure I like it as this show isgoing on Tully's getting more

(01:29:13):
and more uh does anyone notrealize that he's begging and
wanting to be and sounds likeMorgan Wallen well and it's yeah
we've had this conversationthat's a given and it's I I but
I tell you this about TuckerWetmore.

SPEAKER_07 (01:29:27):
He did one smart thing last night I can't wait.
He didn't play his currentsingle because that is a
terrible song it's called 321and it's one of the worst songs
out there take it off the air nokidding it's terrible actually
it's terrible the song he didlast night was his first hit

(01:29:47):
which it sounds good I like thatno actually didn't hate this
song no but he sounds look itlooks like Morgan Wallen sounds
like Morgan Wallen wants toMorgan he came out last night in
a but a totally cowboy outfityeah he has hat on and stuff
because that's not what he wearsbut maybe he's trying to

(01:30:08):
differentiate himself fromWallen maybe well I don't I
don't know but he's alreadydifferentiated he's on the
awards I'm glad he didn't playhis his uh current single which
is just awful really yeah andheard it I haven't heard it now
we'll probably hear that nextyear it's out it's

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:30):
No, I mean on the CMAs.
Probably next year we'llprobably hear it.
Or maybe not.
I don't think you will.
Okay.
Well that makes me want to gohear it because I have not heard
it.
That's all I said.
No Tucker Whitmark cuts for me.
This is just a personal one.
You had CMA broadcast awardwinners, which had Mo and
Stickman, US 101, Chattanooga.
What, what?
So congrats to those guys.

(01:30:50):
They win all the time.
They're awesome.
You've been to that radiostation with me a couple times.
And then we have the uh WillieNelson Lifetime Achievement
Award.
It went to Vince Gill.
So who wants to start?

SPEAKER_07 (01:31:06):
You take it first.
I have a lot to say on this.
You take it first.
The performance.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:09):
It's real brief.
The performance uh it's verybrief.

SPEAKER_03 (01:31:13):
Nobody answers when I call your name, right?
So one of my favorites.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:16):
Brandy Carlisle?
No.
No.
I think it's probably the worstchoice.
Bingo.

SPEAKER_07 (01:31:22):
What that guy said.
What he said.
Of performers.
What that guy said.
My choice of performers.
Horrible.
That guy said.
Horrible.
Absolutely horrible.
Horrid.
Yeah.
It was embarrassing.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:32):
It was, it was, it was embarrassing.

SPEAKER_07 (01:31:34):
And you could see it in Vince's face.
Why have you done this to me?
Yep.
Because that's an amazing song.
Shout out to Danny Rader and allour buddies up there.
Did a great job.
Paul Franklin on steel guitar.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:45):
It took the cake for uh, you know, and I have another
sad moment.
The worst performance.
It was it was not notnecessarily the worst
performance.
It was the worst choice ofperformers to to celebrate Vince
Gill that I could ever imaginein my life.

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:01):
But then it's something worse happened.
They made poor Patty Loveless,who I love.
Patty Loveless.
Yes.
Made Patty Loveless sing withher.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:12):
I know it.
Which did help it, I thought.
It helps.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:15):
But then you could see, you know, I felt bad for
the genre in the sense that youcould see everybody, most people
in there, like, who's that?

SPEAKER_06 (01:32:21):
You mean with Brandy?

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:22):
No, when Patty walked out.

SPEAKER_06 (01:32:25):
So I actually I didn't get to watch this last
night, so I was trying to getthrough today.
I actually fast forward when Isaw Brandy Carlisle start
singing.
I fast forwarded it.

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:34):
So I didn't know what happened.
I thought that was an absolutelythat told me everything I need
to know about where we're at inthe CMAs.
Terrible.
There's a million people whocould have done that tribute.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:45):
Oh.

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:46):
Not a million, but like some people that would have
really done it right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:49):
Nailed the vocal because Vince is such an amazing
vocalist.
Get one of the female artiststhat can actually sing with
amazing vocals.
There's people in the room.

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:57):
You could have had Stableton do it.
You could have had you couldhave had a lot of different
people last night do a renditionof that song.
It would have been so special,and they took Vince's moment and
they just and they trashed it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:33:11):
There's only one reason they chose her.
And I'm not going to go there.
Say it.
Go there.
No, I'm not going to go there.
Everybody knows why.
Terrible.
Terrible.

SPEAKER_07 (01:33:21):
Just let Vince had.
But Patty Lovis is so and whenand you could see Vince tearing
up when Patty came out, which Ithought was like because Vince
is so amazing.
Vince is amazing.
He's just he's one of thosegreat writer, great singer,
killer.
Yeah.
Amazing guitar player.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:42):
Exactly what the George Strait said when he came
out.
And it was so cool.
I actually would have loved it.
It would have been way cooler tome.

SPEAKER_07 (01:33:50):
You know what would have been cool?
And I don't know if this is anoption.
They they George Strait shouldhave introduced him.
Vince should have played it.
Patty should have came out.
Patty could have came out samewith Vince.
Would have been an amazingthing.
It'd been cool to have Vincesaying.
But if you're gonna honor him,honor him correctly.

(01:34:11):
Please.
Because that was that washeartbreaking because that song
is one of my favorite songs.
That oh my lord, what a greatsong.
I mean, now I gotta that's alast I mean it's a that's a
tough thing to watch.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:24):
When when Vince came up, you know, he he said, well,
he goes, I will say it's notlost on me that you had to get a
couple girls to sing sing thatsong because there's no guys in
here that can hit that note, youknow, hit those notes.
So but I th I thought GeorgeStrait was really cool to get
him off off the farm to come tothat, I thought was that was
really cool.
Yep, really cool.
And that's what he said about hesaid amazing uh every time.

SPEAKER_07 (01:34:46):
Talk about a style, George Strait.
Would you say George Strait'sone of the best singers?
I I wouldn't, but but dang.
I remember being on tour withthat dude, and we'd watch him
every night like and what a whata what a vibe.
Yeah, yeah.
He's a force.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:03):
Vince had said uh he thinks he's the only one that
won that that uh award that thatdoesn't smoke weed, which I
thought was kind of funnybecause you go back and look at
all those.
But all right, so next uh nextwe had uh Big X the plug.
Um he's recorded a country albumperformance with him and Luke

(01:35:24):
Combs.
I couldn't understand a lot ofthe rap part, but what'd y'all
think about that?

SPEAKER_06 (01:35:28):
I'll just say this who whoever introduced Big X to
plug?
Was it Laney?

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:33):
I'm not sure who introduced it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:35:34):
I think it was, but she was like, Oh, you know, he's
been re- he wanted to do acountry album.
And I'm thinking he comes anddoes a song, it's a rap with
Luke singing the chorus.
So what I don't understandwhat's country about it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:46):
Yeah, I can't.
I don't know, and I haven'tdefinitely hadn't heard the
record.
What what do you what would youlike to do?

SPEAKER_06 (01:35:50):
I think Tully's right.
We can spend as little time onthis as possible.

SPEAKER_07 (01:35:54):
Again, I I think ex experiment all you want, do cool
uh, but it should be good, andthat just wasn't good.
Terrible.

SPEAKER_06 (01:36:00):
Well, it's just not country.

SPEAKER_07 (01:36:01):
I mean, don't say don't say it's country.
You know, I but here's the thinglike when we did Dirt Road
Anthem, people were saying itwasn't country.

SPEAKER_06 (01:36:08):
But no, this that's not even that's apples and
oranges.

SPEAKER_07 (01:36:11):
Right, but but I'm just but this but it's but it
but you know I'm saying like itwas it was different, it's cool.
This was just bad.
It's like, dude, this is notgood.
It's like I know what you'regoing for.
I wish it was good.
I wish something was good, orthe song was good.

SPEAKER_06 (01:36:28):
I mean, he didn't do anything different from what he
always does.
He just does his rap.
The only thing different wasLuke saying the chorus.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:34):
Yeah, and which the the chorus, actually, to me, the
chorus sounded kind of like ahit chorus, melodically and
lyrically and everything, butthe the rapping part I couldn't
go.
I couldn't.
We all agree.
We could go on.

SPEAKER_04 (01:36:45):
We can but um but yeah, so that was I bet you
Morgan Wallen is the onlycountry artist that rap rappers
call to come sing on theirrecords and come to their award
shows.
Yeah.
The only one.
We're always like begging popsinger, pop stars and rap stars
to come to our award shows tomake us look cool because we

(01:37:06):
don't think we're gonna comemake us look cool.
Why do they do that?
It's so pathetic.
It's such a pathetic look.
It really is.
You're right.
We begging it.
Because what because they'reinsecure.

SPEAKER_06 (01:37:16):
And what country what the demographic that
watches those shows, are we allare we excited, big ex the plugs
on the no kidding, right?
I don't know who big extra plugis.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:37:27):
I didn't I didn't know until I watched.
So I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (01:37:29):
That's how insecure they are.
They feel like they have to callsome rap artist to come be on
our award show.
And that's the CMAs for you.
It's just a lot of people.
We want to be as big as theAmerican Music Awards, and and
I'm like, so we're gonna have tocall rap artists to come do you
know these songs and these duetswith Luke Combs.
And I'm like, what is going on?
And what were they censoring inthe lyric?

(01:37:51):
Uh I I was right.

SPEAKER_05 (01:37:53):
As soon as he started first verse.
What was that?

SPEAKER_03 (01:37:57):
It was mainly just uh it was just like uh shit and
things like that, you know,because we can move on, yes.
Yeah, so what I do this podcastattention.
If there's if there's if there'sa positive about that, I guess
the fact that the rappersactually would want to come and
do something like that andcollaborate, you know, with with
country music.
And and the other thing islisteners this day and time,

(01:38:21):
they are just different thanwhen we were coming up.
They are very eclectic and theylike a little bit of everything.
So I don't know that it's thatI'd say this.

SPEAKER_07 (01:38:29):
I don't know, I don't think, and I love this is
a good question.
Question I wish they call in orcould leave a message for us.
Like, who really wanted to seethat?
Who would have or who is gladthey did see it?
I I would who wouldn't want tosee us play or Luke play Eric
Church play something.
That's a good point.

(01:38:49):
It's just it's a CMAs wanting towork their narrative.
Yes.
And if you don't fit in theirnarrative, you gotta watch
Kelsey Ballerini swing.
No one wants to see it.
Nobody wants to see it.
Megan Moroni, she could have notplayed, and no one would have
said, Oh, I wish Meghan Moroneywould have played.
They might as well call it theNFL Awards.

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:09):
Why the NFL Awards?

SPEAKER_04 (01:39:11):
Because they're freaking woke as shit.
Oh yeah.
Choose Love Neil.

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:17):
Uh Neil.
Right.
Choose love.
Choose love, Neil.
All right, so now we're up foruh uh female vocalists of the
year.
So we got only got twocategories left for all you
listeners out there that arewondering why this takes so
long.
It's because we're passionateabout it.
That's why we're having fun.
Uh as the female vocals of theyear, you had Kelsey Ballerini,

(01:39:38):
Miranda Lambert, Ella Langley,Megan Moroney, Laney Wilson, and
as we know, winner, LaneyWilson.
Yeah.
So uh he's an incredible singer,yeah.
You know, she's great.

SPEAKER_07 (01:39:49):
Good with Laney.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, she's a great singer.

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:51):
Yeah, yeah.
So uh thought that was a goodgood win.
And uh she's great.
And you had Keith Urban comeout, and of course we all, you
know, Baby Girl!

SPEAKER_05 (01:40:00):
He did that.
Where's my baby girl?

SPEAKER_07 (01:40:02):
She's gone, bro.

SPEAKER_05 (01:40:04):
Baby girl, gone.

SPEAKER_07 (01:40:06):
She's got Keith.
Can I who's dressed together?
Who's who's dressing Keith rightnow, by the way?

SPEAKER_03 (01:40:13):
Well, the first when he came out first and sang
earlier, he had this cool uhpainted like t-shirt on.
I thought looked really cool.
I don't remember what he had onthe second time.

SPEAKER_07 (01:40:22):
The see-through shirt, I don't even care about
that.
Honestly, I like Keith.
Keith is uh Keith's one of ourfavorites.
Keith's one of our favorites.
He's a true Keith can dowhatever he wants.
He's a badass, he's a turn theright guy wants.
Especially years ago.
Like he was the closest thing II thought we had in the stronger

(01:40:43):
to a true rock star.
Years ago.
And I and I still really respectKeith for the most part.
He's done a couple of thingslately that are upset me.
But um musically or personally?
Uh one again, Keith there's somesongs he put out a while ago,

(01:41:04):
years ago, that are like likesongs like Stupid Boy and stuff
like that.
I thought were so good.
He went top some of the so good.
Yeah.
And I think it it got a little Ithink Keith chases what he
thinks people might want tohear.
When he's when he does what he'shis thing.
I know the Dan Huff Just a kneebank years were the that was the
good stuff.
There was a lot of good stuff.

(01:41:24):
I mean, uh anyway, love Keith.
Uh I'll yeah, I mean, Keith'sgreat.
He's just good for he's good forthe genre.
He's you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:34):
And I think it it wasn't a see-through.
I I know what you're talkingabout now.
It wasn't a see-through shirt,it was just uh one of the silk
shirts that's buttoned downabout halfway, and you have to
do that if you're him becauseyou wouldn't be able to see the
tattoos.
He's got a really cool uhtattoo.

SPEAKER_07 (01:41:49):
Very designer-y tattoos.
Though those tattoos are likepaintings, yeah.
Like paintings, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:56):
Like Keith.

SPEAKER_05 (01:41:58):
Love Keith.
He's good.
All right, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:42:00):
So we got uh so we got one more.
This is the big one.
Okay, yeah, entertainer of theyear.
Um so we've got why read them?
You don't want to read them?

SPEAKER_04 (01:42:09):
What's the point?

SPEAKER_03 (01:42:10):
Well, just so so the listeners would would know.
So and also, I mean, surelythey'll they'll know this is a
week, not a week after, but it'sa few days after, but it's the
first time we got together to uhto talk about it.
So Entertainer of the Year, youhad Luke Combs, Cody Johnson,
Chris Stapleton, Morgan Wallen,and Laney Wilson.
Winner, as we know, LaneyWilson.

SPEAKER_06 (01:42:29):
Really sad.
We we've had this discussionalready.
Yeah.
Laney, uh it's obviously shouldbe Morgan.
We've had this discussion.
End of discussion.
End of discussion.

SPEAKER_07 (01:42:39):
Here's can I say one thing?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, actually, you know, I Imaybe I shouldn't because I feel
like I've taken up a lot of ourtime in the last two segments.
No, you're on fire.
Good.
You are the genre, I know whatthey're doing.
I know what CMA's are doing.
They're lifting up the femaleartist.
And this genre is never lackedfor female artists.

(01:43:03):
Reba.
Faith Hills never lacked forMartina McBride ever.
We've had amazing Shania Twainruled the world.
Yes.
But this genre has never notwanted to listen to female
artists.
The problem with our femaleartists most of them is they're

(01:43:28):
not good songs.
They're not they're not arenatype songs, they're not stadium
type songs.
Miranda was was a greatheadline.
Miranda was killing it foryears.
She was headlining.
People like Miranda.
She had some edge to her songs.
They're lifting up I know whatthey're doing.
Laney's gonna win entertainer bylifting up the female artist.

(01:43:52):
You know, that's why they'relifting up Megan, lifting up
Kelsey.
That's what they're doing.
Ella's great.
You know?
It's Morgan's award.
And I just wish once someonewould say, I forfeit this to
Morgan Wallen.

SPEAKER_04 (01:44:08):
That's what I said the last time.

SPEAKER_07 (01:44:09):
Or at least it mentioned, yeah, you did.
I said it the last time.

SPEAKER_04 (01:44:12):
I was like, I don't know how anybody could stand up
there.

SPEAKER_07 (01:44:14):
I would take it and set it down and say, This is for
Morgan Wallen.
I'm gonna take it.
Yes, you can get it when I'mgonna do it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:44:19):
I'm thinking the good publicity that'd give you
by saying it.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 (01:44:22):
If Laney would have done that last now, I'm not
saying you gotta remember Laney,can you imagine Laney's manager
who we know?
They would their heads wouldexplode.
But uh can you imagine what agesture because it's really
Morgan's award.

SPEAKER_06 (01:44:37):
Everybody knows it.

SPEAKER_07 (01:44:38):
Even everybody knows it.
Everybody know everybody knowsit's it's uh it it's Morgan's
award.

SPEAKER_04 (01:44:46):
Well, they're the CMAs is only hurting, they're
only hurting themselves whenthey do stuff like that.
When they know when they when Idon't know if they know, but
everybody in the world knowsthat that's a Morgan Wallen
award.

SPEAKER_07 (01:45:00):
Why wouldn't you welcome Morgan with open arms?
I don't know.
Can you it's such a a leftistthing to do?

SPEAKER_02 (01:45:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:45:08):
Well it truly is.
It truly is.
I'll show me.
I'll shut Morgan out.
That's what that's the way theyroll.
I'm sorry.
And next year when we get not,we're not gonna be nominated for
anything.
No.
We're we're taking care of thatright now.
But um it's a very leftistliberal thing to do.
It's like, well, we're we'renever gonna invite Morgan,

(01:45:29):
they're never gonna let Jason benominated for anything again.
I don't understand it.
Morgan is so good for the genre.
Welcome him back, embrace it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:45:38):
There's uh we we were I was talking to Kurt about
this when we were on break.
There's it seems like there'stwo different genres of country
music now.
One you saw Wednesday night andthe ones that didn't get what
they deserved.

SPEAKER_07 (01:46:01):
There's two different realities, too.
One reality being what you sawlast night, and the other
reality when you go on the roadwhen you go to shows.
When you see, you know, thereality of to me it's like who
who's our headliners?
And those headliners shouldalways be in the conversation.
If you've got someone sellingtwenty thousand a night

(01:46:24):
amphitheaters or like Morgan'sdoing eighty thousand a night,
whatever, and you got someoneselling two thousand a night.

SPEAKER_04 (01:46:33):
I think we should have the CCMAs.
The conservative country musicawards.

SPEAKER_07 (01:46:39):
It's not just it's not even the CU coverage over.
It's just I I don't understandwhy it's gotta be that way.
Like like you can't.

SPEAKER_04 (01:46:46):
What do you think the ratings would be?
If you had liberal country musicawards and the conservative
country music awards or someonejust did the uh or if the or if
the ACMs if the ACMs actuallyThat's what it's turning into.

SPEAKER_03 (01:46:58):
If the ACMs actually did it right, you know, I mean
Well it all another thing, itcould be like you guys were
talking about the vocal group.
Um because it's apples andoranges, it would be nice,
entertainer of the year if youhave male and female.
Because it's just why twocompletely different things, you

(01:47:19):
know.
Because no, because because ifit's male and female, then
obviously Laney is gonna win thefemale, then Morgan would win
the male.

SPEAKER_07 (01:47:27):
But it shouldn't be that way.
It should be entertained of theyear, it's just like a girl.

SPEAKER_03 (01:47:30):
But if you're gonna be if you're going going to be
more woke by nature, you're justgonna you're gonna vote for the
female.
You know what I mean?
So it's a kind of an unfair,it'd be very difficult for if
you got if you got a girl inthere, it's gonna be very
difficult for Morgan to win.
That's silly.

SPEAKER_07 (01:47:46):
It's a stupid conversation.
It's like entertaining of theyear.

SPEAKER_03 (01:47:49):
Wait a minute, did you just say that you not you
because that would be the secondtime on record?
Okay.

SPEAKER_07 (01:47:55):
You know what I meant.
You're very strong, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 (01:47:57):
Oh, thank you.
I've been working on that.

SPEAKER_07 (01:47:58):
Entertainer of the year.
If if if Laney's crushing it andbeating Morgan, then Laney wins.
Yeah.
No one's beating Morgan.

SPEAKER_03 (01:48:04):
Because it should be on numbers and ticket sales and
all the things.
Well, I mean, I'm not saying yougotta count up every ticket.
No, but every single note.

SPEAKER_07 (01:48:11):
Look, guys, look you can't argue with it.
It's silly.
It's it doesn't make any sense.
Morgan's doing multiple nightsin stadiums.
He's setting records withstreams and sales and number
ones and they're flying.
He's got three, four songs at atime on the chart.

SPEAKER_06 (01:48:25):
Like, yeah, it's like it when Taylor was crushing
it, when she was doing countrymusic, you couldn't argue with
that either.
She's right crushing numbers.

SPEAKER_07 (01:48:34):
Yeah, it's just it doesn't look good.
It's not a good look.
And the people I don't know whythe the disconnect remains
between the the country musicfan and the country music
industry.
We're out there and we've beenout there forever.
Like look, if the if the fansare are are flocking to Morgan
shows, that's your that's yourfan base.

(01:48:56):
Appreciate don't make them feelstupid.
Don't make your don't make thefans feel like they're not going
to see someone who's not gonnalike it doesn't make any sense
to me.
Like it's it's it's it's uh anembarrassment, and it's making
the fans like you don't give ashit.
They're spending their money togo see Morgan and setting all
kinds of attendance records.

(01:49:17):
Come on.
It's it's obvious.
Appreciate the fans.
It is obvious.
It's obvious.
And I think that's what's inthat that's what raises the
antenna.
The CMA had their way.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:26):
In ten years, we'd have trans vocalist of the year
award.

SPEAKER_07 (01:49:30):
It's a very niche group.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:32):
No, it's coming.
They have their way.
It's coming.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, really?
So you're gonna they're gonna bea little woke.
Transduo all the way.
Yeah.
We're just gonna be a littlewoke.
The transduo, the opposite ofwhat transductions.
Trans vocalist of the year.
It's coming.
It's coming.
Unless we do something now, it'scoming.

(01:49:55):
It's coming.

SPEAKER_03 (01:49:56):
Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:57):
Female, male?
What?
No.
Well, you're right about that.
That's too well, that's tooconservative.
We can't just we can havefemale.
There's some there's how manyhow many genders are there in
their world?
There's a bunch.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50:08):
Thanks everybody for listening.

SPEAKER_04 (01:50:10):
This has been that's a whole nother episode.
Yeah, yeah.
I will say it's it's I've seensome I've seen some some artists
on social media that will blowyour mind.
Y'all check them out.
We'll talk about it one day.
I want to be dying to talk aboutsome of these some of these
freaking clowns that have thathave come out.

(01:50:32):
I can't wait.
We'll talk about them later.
All right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50:34):
Well, so we do want to congratulate all the winners
and nominees for the 59th CMAAward show.
It actually was, I I thought, asan overall collective show, I
was I was pleased because I'veseen worse.
I thought it was really good.
I thought it was really good andI liked it.
And if you're just a true fan,not in the business, you
probably would have loved it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:50:54):
I did like that there was some there was some a
lot of country music.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50:58):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:51:00):
More than what I'm used to seeing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:51:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:51:03):
I just I want country music to be country
music again.

SPEAKER_04 (01:51:06):
Yeah.
Well it was.
Sometimes it is.
I felt like I'm just gonna stepin the right direction.

SPEAKER_07 (01:51:10):
Yeah, I thought it's back top, you keep rocking too
much.
I thought there was some greatmoments.
I really do.
Even for the for the song, evenlike the old dominions.
For the uh do I love the songs?
No, but I appreciate them.
They've been doing it a longtime.
You know, and that's justbecause I don't like the type of
music doesn't mean they're notreally good.
That singer's really good to me.
He's a great guy.
That guy always sounds good.
No, he's really good.

(01:51:31):
I've never heard that guy notsound good.
No, he sounds good.
Looks good, got a cool look.
You know, some some crap we cando without.
I mean, you know.

SPEAKER_06 (01:51:42):
This is this has actually been a really fun
episode.
I hope people made it to theend.
Hopefully so.

SPEAKER_07 (01:51:47):
It's almost as long as the award show.
No, I know.

SPEAKER_06 (01:51:51):
But what we need to do is like if you're watching or
if you're listening, you need toleave us a comment on this
because we need your opinion.
We we went out there, we gaveyou our opinion.
Let us know what you loved, letus know what you didn't like,
let us know what you thought wascrazy.
This is a good episode to leavecomments.
It is.
Uh so make sure you do that.

SPEAKER_07 (01:52:11):
Actually, I want to know a thought.
We'll talk about it.
Me too.
Uh it's invaluable.
It's invaluable to us asperformers and songwriters.
I think we do.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52:22):
Yeah, even if you think we're idiots, just we are
idiots.
Yeah, that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_07 (01:52:26):
But they may think it was the best show ever.
They may not be bothered byanything.
Um, they may like the diversity.

SPEAKER_04 (01:52:32):
Yeah.
No, I'll be called racistbecause I didn't like the
shabboozy video.

SPEAKER_07 (01:52:36):
Oh, for sure.
Well, Caleb's the racist.

SPEAKER_04 (01:52:37):
Caleb's always been the racist.
That's I know that's coming.
For sure.
You can't say anything bad abouta black country singer without
being called a racist.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52:46):
And this has been the Try That the Small Town
podcast.

SPEAKER_04 (01:52:49):
It's coming.

SPEAKER_06 (01:52:50):
Um, make sure you download the episode.

SPEAKER_04 (01:52:53):
No, it definitely's coming for you.
It's definitely coming.

SPEAKER_06 (01:52:57):
Uh also again, we need to make sure we thank
Original Glory Beer.
We need to make sure we'rethinking eSpaces.
They let us in here, man.
It's awesome.
There's nobody in this buildingbut us.
It's awesome.
It's excellent.
I mean, it's after hours.
What are they thinking?
Yeah.
Yeah.
What are they thinking?
They gave us the keys to theplace.
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03 (01:53:15):
And those commercials while you're there,
the Brittany and Jason, the newcommercials with Patriot Mobile
is going to reach a lot ofpeople, and people are going to
finally understand what a greatservice that is.

SPEAKER_06 (01:53:25):
Yes, 100%.
Leave us comments.
Yeah, leave us comments.
I mean, we need to break arecord for comments.
Four.
Um, it's been a long night.
Thank you guys for listening.
You got thrash, you got K Lo,you got TK.
I'm Kurt.
This has been the Try That in aSmall Town Podcast.

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