The Changing Face of Nashville's Music Row :: Ep 54 Try That in a Small Town

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, you walked around the building and
everybody's like, hey, how's itgoing?
You know, and you're turning insongs.
You're going to the DreamCoffee.
It's just different.
The building's not even there.
You've got these little highrises and stuff.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Spontaneous Pretty much.
That's amazing.
How do we not know this After?

Speaker 3 (00:14):
a demo session.
We tracked five songs.
No kidding, I did vocals onfive songs and harmonies and
let's go get married so we did.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
I'm city, somebody fell off something terrible it
was here and got hit.
It was here, yeah, got hit byan oncoming when they were so
drunk they just walked it off,you know.
So really, I don't know, Idon't know what something
happened here.

Speaker 5 (00:37):
They fell backwards off the stool.
No surprise that there'speddling on Broadway, hammered.
Yeah, people don't listen thesame anymore.
A lot of it's because theydon't have the physical album,
cd, they're not looking at it,they don't own it.
They own it but they don't.
It's just different.
The Try that in a Small Townpodcast begins now.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Try that in a Small Town podcast.
Do not adjust your sets.
We are still coming to you fromthe Patriot Mobile Studios.
At this time it's powered byeSpaces.
We're down here at the awesomeeSpaces down on Music Row Power.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, power.
Where is it?
17 and Grand?
That's where we're at.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Are we supposed to disclose the address?
We just did, I guess we justdid.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Well, I mean, how are they going to see the office
space unless they know where togo?

Speaker 1 (01:36):
We're on the ninth floor.
Good call, yeah, good point.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
We'll be out of here on the wall in here, really.
Yeah, is it naked?
It's on.
No, it's not, it's on the mural.
I'm on the mirror.
I made the mural out.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Here I'm sitting really yeah it's amazing that
one before yep I'm sitting on abucket uh-huh, I've seen that.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
I don't know whether to feel I'm writing a song and
beneath all the naked snakepeople in the roundabout who?
Else is in the mural.
I think Stapleton's in themural George.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Strait.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Oh good company I think TG Shepard's in the mural.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Who'd you say TG Perry?
You know she just went to spaceapparently she really did.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
I thought, she was already there, but you think we
set that up.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
You know it, tully's got new tattoos.
I do, do you.
How do you have any more room?

Speaker 1 (02:28):
I thought they looked a little slicker, you had a
little Vaseline on there.
Is that just in case somebodyrubs past you in a fight?

Speaker 5 (02:32):
or something.
It's new.
Kalo Got to keep it moist.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
I mean you're out of room on the arms I am.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
It was actually a little birthday present I got
for myself.
Those are the best kind, by theway.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
How old, are you?

Speaker 5 (02:48):
Just turned 50.
Whoa.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
It was a big one.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
It was a big one.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
It was a big one, I think he kept it under wraps,
man, we didn't have a chance toparty with him, too busy for
birthdays.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Well, we did text him .

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, but I didn't know it was 50.
I didn't either.
I did not know it was 50.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
I found out after the fact.
50 and still have hair likethat?
Dude celebrate.
Thank you Kalo.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
Thank you, buddy, you bet no 50.
I moved here when I was 21.
This is crazy.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
How long?

Speaker 5 (03:21):
I was 21 when I moved here, oh my God, why did you
say that?
It was before the naked peopleon the roundabout in.
Music.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Row.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
No, I thought about that.
Driving up here, I was like,well, I come to Music Row every
day for work, but doing ourpodcast from here I'm like
interesting, I just turned 50,doing this from the East Bay
spot, which is great, driving upto Mumrin, and how how much has
changed.

Speaker 8 (03:47):
oh, my gosh, I miss it.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
How it used to be.
I harp on that every, everyepisode, I feel like, but I
really do miss the way it feltbefore.
The madness that is now musicrow, which which I don't even
consider it music row.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Well, tell people, because there's a lot of people
that haven't been here.
Kalo, you'd be the perfectperson to tell everybody what
Music Row used to be like onthese couple streets here.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Am I perfect because I'm oldest?

Speaker 2 (04:13):
No, you're not the oldest.

Speaker 7 (04:14):
You're just the most eloquent.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
I was taking the bullet, neil, I was taking the
bullet.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
No, but you're right.
Back in the day I wrote at EMI,which EMI was one of the
biggest publishers in the worldNow EMI they sold to Sony years
ago.
That whole building is gone andfor a minute at all of our
publisher companies, you werethe writer.
For a minute you were theperson.
You say the gap.

(04:38):
There's so many hit songwritergirls here too.
But you walked around thebuilding and everybody's like
hey, how's it going?
You're turning in songs, you'regoing to drink coffee, just
different.
The building's not even there.
You got these little high-risesand stuff.
And then but I thought about anidea actually, um, because
obviously we're veteran, youknow seasoned songwriters, we'll
say right, so and you saidwe're talking about like, hey,

(05:00):
what are we going to talk abouttoday?
Like just like a couple hoursbefore the show and and telly
said, hey, let's talk aboutmusic, grow a little bit.
And and then uh, and then itmade me start thinking about
because the way that it'schanged.
And I thought of a song idea.
If you're a songwriter outthere, don't listen.
This part something like becauseit's all relative, like if
you're a songwriter now, likethis is what music grow looks

(05:20):
like to you, right, but itlooked different, different to
us.
So when it starts changing tothe younger guys.
So I was thinking about an idea, something like when music row
don't look like music row, maybeit's time for you to go home.
Let the other people take it.
You know what I mean.
Like it's kind of a kind of athing you know like, and we, we
miss it.
But the people that are justmoving here, they're like oh my
god, this is freaking music.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
Row what's funny is you said that and I was pulling
off the mumbler and used to bebeautiful.
You pull off the mumbler andthe stop sign and there was deja
vu.
Yeah, strip club and all itsglory right there.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
You remember the mark with the marquee would always
say oh, yeah, yeah, wow likethree ugly ones, three ugly
girls and one pretty one lunchat noon hot dog buffet.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
Yeah, but I'm gross.
Same thing happened.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
It really was.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
I pull up to the stop sign and I'm out, and every day
, you know, we go to the officeat BMG and I go the same way,
but for some reason today feltdifferent, I think.
So I was driving in differenttime of day and I pulled up
there.
I'm like you know what?
I had a son.
I mean what it was, I know, youknow.
Well, hey you know that was theidea.

(06:31):
It was like.
You know, like I don't hatewhat it is, but I sure miss what
it was.
I know.
Kind of thought and that Ireally do and I miss the
excitement of, you know, justeverybody running around with
songs physical songs, cds ortapes and now people you know
when they pitch a song to anartist now they text it or email
it and I feel like it neverreally gets delivered.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Well, there's an excuse for it to not be
delivered.
Yeah, we don't keep an actualpitch log.
But, we don't want to tell youguys about the songs that people
don't like.
We just want to tell you aboutthe things that, well, we'd kind
of like to know.
You're pitching some.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
But to expand on that , like all the business was done
on these two streets, everyhouse there's like houses, and
every house was either apublishing company or a studio
Lined with 16th Avenue and 17thAvenue.
So, yeah, you just walkedacross the street or you just
walked down the block and that'swhat you did.

(07:26):
Like literally every house orbuilding was either a publishing
house or a studio.
Now, what's the percentage ofthat?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Like, most people moved off therow, yeah, and if it is, if one
of the old houses still isthere, yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
It's most likely not a publishing house yeah, it's a
hair salon or a beard trimmingplace.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah.
Anyway nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
We've had a couple of guests on that were talking
about the old Shawnee's Inn downon the road.
Oh yeah, I used to eat there,and me and my wife Lana have a
lot of memories from Shawnee'sInn, I bet you do Really, yes,

(08:11):
because they have the hotelright behind it.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
You could, they did.
You can take the story south.
You could go.
You could go eat, yeah, youcould, you know, and you could
take a break from all all thismarital sex and then go to get,
you know, the, the salad bar,all you can eat.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
This was before we were married and you remember
there was like open like a hugeopen parking lot you could park.
Oh yeah, that's where everybodyparked everybody everybody met
the bus there yeah, everybodyyou know that's where we did.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
We were doing radio tour.
We we actually met the minivanthere on it was like the george
jones wax museum.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
Remember it was you know when you go to the end of
it and like 16th avenue cafe wasthere, yeah, and it was a great
music vibe, and you go to theend of it and like 16th Avenue
Cafe was there, yeah, and it wasa great music vibe, and that's
what I miss about it.
Now I don't get the feelingthat we're heading to Music Row,
driving to Music Row anymore,which it's.
You know.
Well, I'm old now.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
The young crowd that comes through and tours and gets
on the tour buses and stuff andgoes up and down.
They'll never know what it waslike.
There wasn't one tall buildingexcept for, I mean, what's that
building?
That's kind of shaped like anoctagonal building, what's it
called the Fisile Building?

Speaker 8 (09:17):
The UA Tower.
Oh the.
Ua Tower.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
yeah, that was the only big tall building on Music
Row.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
The rest of it was old houses they had one little
uh, it was a.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
I don't get fried rice and stuff down there in the
whole building all the way upthe top we had a chance to buy
some of those houses, like wecould have bought them back in
the day, like in the late 90sand early 2000s.
Dude, dude, all those houseswere up for sale and they were
cheap.
You wouldn't be here right now.

(09:47):
If you did, you'd imagine ifwe'd have gone ahead and done it
yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
You'd be in the Caribbean Powered by thrash
spaces.
That's a good fact.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
And Neil, you met your wife Lana on Music Row.
Y'all ate at Shoney's MusicRow'all stayed at at the hotel.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
No never stayed at the hotel and you got married on
music row.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
You didn't venture far from home well, you really.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Oh, yeah, she would.
She had a condo on 17th, 19th,19th and grand is what it was.
Yeah, on 19th and uh, we wouldbe standing on her balcony
looking down at the music rowwedding that little white
church-shaped house, oh my gosh,yes.
And we'd make fun of peoplethat got married.
It's like, can you believe that?

(10:31):
What losers?
Well, it was so Elvis-y,Vegas-y kind of you know, and it
was just so cheesy to us.
We were looking down, going andthen, lo and behold, after a
demo session, we got marriedthere.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Ninety bucks and a drunk preacher Spontaneous,
pretty much.
That's amazing.
How do we not know this?

Speaker 3 (10:52):
After a demo session.
We tracked five songs.
I did vocals on five songs andharmonies and let's go get
married.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
So we did See that's a good wife, that's a get
married.
So we did See that's a goodwife.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
That's a good wife, Yep.
We called a few people to comedown and witness and we got
married at the Music GirlWedding Chapel, Invited the
engineer to go with you, yep.
He was in the wedding picture.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Actually, that's classic had to have a witness.

Speaker 5 (11:17):
You know, another thing you see coming in which
can we all agree the mostridiculous thing the pedal
tavern things.

Speaker 7 (11:27):
Dude, that's big business, the bachelorette part
of it, the woo-woo girls andthey're pedaling, drinking and
pedaling this bucket of wooddown.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
I mean somehow.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
It's kind of exciting though.
Yeah, it turned into thebachelorette.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
How is that legal?
I mean, people are falling offthose things all the time.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
It's happening in almost every city now, Like
everywhere you go you see thosepedal taverns.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
I just want to tip them over.
It's so annoying to me, it'sthe worst thing.
They're having fun.
If I saw my daughter on a pedaltavern, that'd be it.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Hey, thank God for them.
They're the ones buying therecords.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, and they're burning calories while they're
drinking.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
They're buying the records.
Well, they're downloading oursongs.

Speaker 7 (12:07):
They're streaming the songs Good catch.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
They are fans of yours and mine and the stuff
we've written.
Pedal away girls.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
I will say for a minute, while I was waiting on
it, pedal away.

Speaker 5 (12:20):
Hey, there's a t-shirt.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Pedal away girls.
Pedal Thrasher.
I stayed at that right belowthat.
You know the Rhythm, you knowthat little condo building there
.
So about five weeks I stayedthere waiting on an apartment to
get ready and I thought I wasgoing to hate it, you know,
because I lived out south.
It seems awful.
The idea of it sounded terrible, yeah, but I actually loved it
for a limited amount of time.

(12:42):
I'd go out there on the balconyand people were just laughing
and they're drinking and havingfun and you hear all the sounds
of the city, which I'm not usedto.
I found it inspiring for alittle bit.
I thought this is really cool.
People are crazy aboutNashville, so I found it kind of
inspiring for a minute.
I'm glad that I don't livethere all the time, but I
thought it was really fun.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Wow, I couldn't do it .
I was right there by Tin Roof,right?
Yeah, oh God, no way.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, let's go right down there and get you out of
the chance, didn't Chris Youngused to live there?
Yeah, I actually saw him there.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
At the Tin Roof.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Well, probably there too, but yeah, I think he did,
he either does or did, yeah,yeah.
And I was using Chris Stefano'splace for a little while and he
asked me.
He said hey, why don't you stayat my place for a little bit if
you're in between?
I said that would be great andI took him up on it and I said I
won't be there long and he goes.
That's fine, he goes.
Hey, how much are you thinkingin rent?

(13:36):
And I said, oh, this is themoney thing.
I thought, Let me borrow it.
I don't know, maybe $2,500.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Sounds great.
Maybe then tomorrow.
Man, this year has flown byDude.
It doesn't seem like we've beendoing this a year.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
So yeah, I don't know the exact date, but it's either
right around now or very close.
We've actually done this a year.
You guys believe that?
No?

Speaker 5 (14:04):
Well, that was our goal, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (14:06):
To see if we could get through a year and not kill
each other.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, what they say is that my brother would say,
hey, can you keep the bandtogether?
You know you got to keep theband together for a while.
You showed him, didn't you?
We did.
But they had said, you know, inthe podcast world said, hey,
hey, you've got to get to a yearbefore people think you're even
serious, because a lot ofpeople you know you drop out or
people move or whatever you know, because it's not super
lucrative.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
I don't know if people out there know that.
Oh, I'm loaded from this thing.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Are you kidding me?
Yeah, did you not get yourcheck?
Are we getting checks, jim?
Nope.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
No, it's for love of the game right now, love of the
game.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
We've made a little bit of a surge.
I think you guys remember a fewmonths ago I was like I don't
know.
Guys, I think we're going inthe tank.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
Well, Caleb said it, though.
I think we definitely aregetting better at it, but also
we've had some great guests.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Can you believe they agreed to come on?
Who's your?

Speaker 5 (15:03):
favorite.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Give me one.
Oh boy, I know it's like who'syour favorite kid?
I can't.
I mean, give me one.
Give me one that maybesurprised you, one that
surprised me Anybody.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Golly Well, John Rich didn't surprise me I knew what
he would?
You know the knowledge that guyhas about everything.
He was so good, he was spot on.
I mean, he's a pro.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
But surprised me.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
On John Rich.
I wasn't surprised that he wasgood.
I was surprised because Ihadn't been around him.
You know, I knew how talentedhe was and stuff.
But that dude has some wisdomand he is really good.
He's really sharp, fast andintellectual and I was not not
surprised, I was impressed I wasimpressed by that because
there's a whole different side,that you don't spend a lot of

(15:53):
time.
You know, if he wouldn't havebeen on the podcast, I wouldn't
have got that far, you know.
Yeah, so I was.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
I was impressed by him and there's been a few where
you like, you make, we make ournotes the things we want to say
or ask and everything, and I'mlike when John was on.
I just turned my phone over andjust slid it across the table.
I'm like I'm not going to needthat, just go, I'll tell you.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
What I do really love about all the guests we've had
is that it's like anything else,right, it's like when an artist
is new or whatever.
It's like the believers in thebeginning will always mean a lot
, Like all the guests that cameon, you know Jason coming on
Brittany, coming on Riley.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Gaines, Riley Gaines, our third or fourth episode
early, early in the game.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
Yeah, you know when it's, when they didn't.
You know we didn't have a bunchto offer like as far as like
being seen.
So thank all the guests forthat.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
When are we going to get Al Dean on again?

Speaker 2 (16:48):
I think very soon.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
Maybe before the new tour.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
I think very soon.
It would be nice to get him onbefore the new tour.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
And it was cool that Jason Brittany called in.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
What was?

Speaker 1 (16:58):
the name of the app.
Where do people find that?
Because you've got a voicemailthing right, tell them about
that.
Yeah, good, plug there the app.
And where people find that,because when you got a voicemail
thing, right, tell them, tellthem.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, good plug.
There it's on speak pipe and um, we'll pin it to the Instagram,
cause even you mentioned that.
I think it's a great idea.
Uh, and we'll get to.
Actually, we'll do that rightafter this.
We'll get to a couple ofquestions, uh, but you know, go
to speakpipecom, forward slash,try that podcast, and it's
really cool.

(17:26):
You just leave your message.
You say who you are, whereyou're from, what your question
is.
We play it live to tape on theair here and we'll answer it.
But it's a cool way to interact.
So, again, we'll pin that toour Instagram and our X account
so you guys can do that, by theway, jim, Tex, he said his his

(17:47):
favorite was lavox, which waspretty awesome yeah, oh, yeah,
that was great, that was good.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
He's hilarious.
Yeah, oh he's.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
He's a rut when he gets rolling I didn't think he
was a country boy until I firstmet him long, long time ago.
I thought he was just from thepop world.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Just the way he dressed and his no offense spiky
hair, you know wow when he saidno offense, I think he means
offense, no, no, no, it's nooffense.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
I wish it's my favorite saying you know how
successful I could be if I hadthat hair I'm being unbelievable
beautiful hair.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Thank you, I love the way I'm growing it out in the
sides all right, I'm gonna keepkeeping it longer and longer so
you can keep commenting on ityou guys, let's, let's speak
into the speak pipe, which is anawesome name speak pipe.
Sounds awesome Speak pipe.
Let's go to a question.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
You guys want to answer one Sure.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
All right, I don't know who it's from.

Speaker 8 (18:35):
Hi guys.
It's Moxie from outside ofPhilly.
I am wondering is there anyother place you can think of
that is similar to Nashville,that has that Nashville vibe
where the artists are so kindand supportive of each other and
it's a laid-back chill?

(18:55):
Is there any other place youcan think of that may be up and
coming or that you visit and youget that whole vibe where
there's a lot of country music?
It's very supportive of countrymusic but it's not liberal.
I would be.
I would love to know what, ifthat exists, and where it's at.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Thank you nope, great question.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
First of all, awesome name, moxie great question too,
but no, I want that name neil,you were shaking your head the
entire question well, I think Igot a tick crawling on my.
It's a good question.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Basically, to summarize, she was asking if
there's any place like nashvillesense of community, people that
support each other.
You guys know anything thatcould uh rival nashville.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
I can't, I'm sure.
Oh, I know Sunset Strip back inthe day probably was that way,
but no yeah there's a lot ofother music communities, but
Nashville is unique to itself.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
You know, I mean there's obviously music all over
Texas, memphis, I mean there'sso many different places but
where the artists where you canjust go to, you know, I don't
know, go to a steakhouse orwhatever and say I think it's
Alan Jackson right there, yeah,it's pretty unusual.

Speaker 8 (20:11):
It's unique.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
And people leave them alone generally and they're
very respectful most of the time.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, Very unique and I think some people and maybe
15 years ago, 20, maybe peoplewould compare Austin to
Nashville.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
You have the South by Southwest.
We used to go there all thetime.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Right and there used to be a lot of similarities, but
I don't see any similaritiesnow.
I really don't, and especiallythe way she ended.
That was with the liberalquestion.
Austin obviously lies.

Speaker 5 (20:39):
They're trying to make Nashville liberal.
They're trying, you're right,they're going for it.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Greater Nashville, yes, make nashville liberal.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
They're trying, you're right, they're going for
it.
Greater nashville yes, there'sonly a handful of us in there
that really, just they're really.
They would love to have thisblue as can be yeah, it's not
going to happen?
That's not going to happen.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
The majority of broadway, the majority of fans
and tourists that come here, arenot liberal.
They're just, they're not.
And no, that's their bread andbutter.
That come here are not liberal.
They're just not.
No, that's their bread andbutter.
That's Nashville's bread andbutter.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Still the number one destination for bachelorette
parties in the US right Pedalaway girls.

Speaker 7 (21:18):
Pedal away girls.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
All right, let's do another one.
Hi, this is Steven from SanAntonio, texas.
My question is do you preferthe whole writing process, the
recording process, or actuallyjust being out on the road and

(21:42):
visiting with all the fans?
That?

Speaker 3 (21:44):
love you.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
That would be geared toward you too, TK.
You want to stab at that myfavorite.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
I love the creative process.
I love writing, love making thealbums.
We do them pretty quick so it'snot like an extended process
the way we've done it with jasonand the way michael knox
produces is, you know it's wemove pretty fast.
Um.
For me it's always a sense ofum excitement when the album's

(22:17):
done and we're getting ready totour on a new album.
That's that.
That's always fun, always lovetaking the songs to the stage.
I love.
I love going to rehearsals, thebeginning of the tour, you know
, taking a new tour out in theroad, and you know that's where
we're always.
That's how it started was withthe live show, you know.

(22:38):
So it's, you know, alwaysexciting to to do a new tour.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yeah, I'm with you, so that's your favorite.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
That's what you're Well, I don't know if it's my, I
love Well, you haven't been.
My favorite part of the processis probably creating the songs,
like recording them and, likeyou know, creating that music
together.
It's stressful, yeah, but whenit's right and it's done and you

(23:08):
hear it, you're like I'm reallyproud of that.
I'm really proud of whether wewrote it or we didn't or what
you know, what we played on it,the part we created.
I still love the creative partmusically, of creating the
baseline for me is always, still, will always be, one of my
favorite things.
When that's done is just thatmoment.
You know what I added to thesong, whatever song it was.

(23:29):
You know that's probably myfavorite moment musically,
creatively.
And then, but yes, of course,touring and playing the shows.
You're up there, you know, withwith your best friends, and you
know it's, it's a made thisalbum.
Now we get to go play it, youknow what's your favorite, kurt?

Speaker 2 (23:47):
um, thanks for asking , neil.
You're welcome.
Um, you know it's interesting.
It's an interesting questionand they are three very separate
things.
Um, but I I guess I'll probablyhave to agree with the uh, the
touring part and the playing iton stage, simply for the fact of

(24:09):
we're 25 years in the making.
So sharing that moment withyour brothers is really cool.
Um, it's.
I think also we could probablywrite or record for who knows
how many more years to get outon stage and tour.

(24:31):
There's probably a little bitmore of a window involved.

Speaker 5 (24:35):
So just soaking all that in while it happens, I
think that's why a moment likeI'll just reference this like
try that in a small town whichis why we started the podcast
based, obviously, around thesong, that moment especially.
You talk about a moment thatyou'll think about, from the
inception of an idea to the demo, to sending the demo of the

(24:58):
song to Jason, jason liking it,jason buying into it, that whole
process.
I remember everything aboutrecording that song.
I remember when it came out.
I remember we had the wholevideo controversy.
So that kind of thing is areally special, rare experience
as creators, because me and Kurtwere lucky enough to see it

(25:22):
through all the way to thatfirst time we played it on stage
and then having you guys comeout in Alabama and getting on
stage with us in Tuscaloosa sothose moments in the music
business are non-existent really.
When you have a song thatstarted like that and became
that big and we got to do ittogether and kind, kind of

(25:45):
experienced that, so that thatthat was a special moment like
where do you think?

Speaker 3 (25:50):
where do you think?
Uh, al dean will put.
Try that in a small town.
That's a great question wheredo you think he'll put it this
time?
He's gotta close with it, right?
I would save it for the encoreI.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
you know what's funny or not funny, but interesting.
We haven't done an encore in atleast 10 years 10 years
probably Really.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Wow, I didn't even notice.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
So I remember we were having this conversation and
talking about oh, what do we dofor the encore?
And I remember seeing Van halenas a kid and at one point one
of their tours they were likelisten, we're not going to do
the bs, where we go off stageand everybody goes.
Oh my god, are they going tocome?

Speaker 3 (26:33):
out and they're going to come out and they clap for
10 minutes and it's like playyour biggest song.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
It's his bs moment.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
It's like, dude, we're going to play all of our
hits when we're done.
We're done.
And I remember, uh, toly andjason were like, let's do
something like that, let's justdo our hits, let's play our
songs when we're done.
We're not.
We're not going to bsu and saycan you please come back out and
play two more songs?

Speaker 5 (26:55):
getting the cheap the cheap thrill of the, of the
crowd clapping because wehaven't played, you know, dirt
road anthem or she's country.
We're going to play these songslike, so he we just pack him in
like I'll say that about ourshow, like you know, we're not.
There's no talking, there's no,there's no crap going on.
When you got to listen to anartist, people are there to hear

(27:16):
the hits.
One of my favorite things aboutseeing tom petty.
I saw petty probably 10 times,from a kid till till the last
tour before he passed.
He went out there and justplayed the songs.
He's not gonna talk and fillyour head with a bunch of stuff
that you don't want to hear.
Just go out and play the hits.
Now try that.
In a small town was different.

(27:36):
Jason would give that oneintroduction just because he he
felt he needed to, especiallyyou know this last couple years,
the timing of it.
We play like 27 songs.
I mean, my favorite thing iswhen an artist goes oh yeah, we
play two and a half hours.
No, you don't, no, you don'tyou play 90 minutes of songs and

(27:56):
then you talk.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
It's a long time you talk for an hour and you've had
opening acts.
That's a long time.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
to be honest, I'm not sure I would want to go see
anybody for two and a half hours.
No, really.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
At some point you got it yeah.
You know, George.
Straitgaard, whoever, after anhour and a half or so you're
like, I get it.
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
I like it.
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How does it feel?
I was saying that I feel moreprofessional and maybe it's
because I'm a little more soberthan usual.

Speaker 5 (30:00):
Well, usually I'm like a Celsius and a solid
whiskey drink in, so thecombination of the 10 cups of
caffeine plus the whiskey.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
You drink the Celsius with the whiskey or separate.

Speaker 5 (30:11):
I drink the Celsius on the way down to the podcast.
Yeah, always on an emptystomach, never.
And then we get to the podcastand I have like four almonds or
something, and then I'll havethe whiskey Four almonds.

Speaker 7 (30:27):
What a party.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
You forgot the Zyrtec .
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh and theZyrtec.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, it's Zyrtec.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want theZyrtec.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, it's Zyrtec.
A little Bengay on my knee,yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:36):
But it provides me the spark I need.
But today I'm I feel reallygood.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
I feel professional.
I know it's earlier Moreresponsible Professional's a
great word, I think we've grownup.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
Yeah, but I'm the only one drinking, drinking.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
well, I got this little hard to seltzer stuff,
it's all right, did you call it?

Speaker 2 (30:58):
I'm sipping celsius, did you say celsius?
Well, that was what he usuallydrinks.
Today I've never even heard ofthat.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
I mean it's in temperature, you know I won't
touch it.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
It says the the pedal girls drink that stuff you're
actually right?

Speaker 5 (31:10):
I don't think you're right not to go back to that,
but how?
What is the insurance policy?

Speaker 2 (31:16):
on that stuff.
Oh, you probably just sign awaiver.
That's that easy.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
Just sign a waiver yeah, I love that well, they
made it easy.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
They made it easy I mean, in some cities somebody
fell off something comparable itwas here and got hit.
It was here, yeah, got hit by,yeah, an oncoming, but they were
so drunk they just walked itoff, you know.

Speaker 5 (31:34):
So really, no, I don't know.
I don't know what happened.
Something happened here.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
They fell backwards off the stool no surprise
because they're pedaling onbroadway hammered yeah I want to
know what our listeners whohave been to nashville and been
to broadway.
I want to know what they think.
Okay, that's a great question.
I really do.
I want to know what they thinkabout all of the Pedal Taverns,
all the noise, all the bands.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
I mean they must love it.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
I'll play it at one time You'd have to.
I mean, I never thought that Iwould actually think something's
magical sounding as a hundredbands playing different songs at
the same time and you can hearit all.
But is there something crazy,weird, magical about Broadway?

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, we don't enjoy it.
But if you're from wherever,like Iowa, and you're, hey,
let's go to Nashville, andthat's an experience.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Well, I tell you what I do, like if we're ever and
you guys do it too if you play acorporate show at Country Music
Hall of Fame or something likethat, at the end of it it could
be a Monday night, it doesn'teven have to be Friday, but I'll
drive all the way down to theriver and I'll I'll come back up
, all the windows open because Iwant to hear it and just watch
how crazy people are aboutcountry music and it.

(32:41):
It is inspiring to me becausethey're like you, continually be
reminded like man.
These people freaking lovemusic.
They love music more than Ilove music, which makes me want
to create it.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
Yeah, if they only wanted to pay for it, we'd be in
good shape.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
It's not their fault, sorry, it's not their fault.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
I sound really.
See, I'm 50, so I feel like I'mallowed to be just a grumpy
pain in the ass.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, all of a sudden you're Clint Eastwood, and what
was the movie?

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Well, it wasn't Grumpy Old Men.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
No, gran Torino, gran Torino, gran Torino, yeah, gran
Torino.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Which is a great movie I was going to say El
Camino.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
I would say that because there's a lot of people,
a lot of writers, people evenon Music Row, that listen to
this podcast.
I would say you don't have theright to be grumpy while you
still have top tens on the radio.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
I can be grumpy.
Yes, you do.
I think if you're grumpy, witha hit that's another thing, but
it's not grumpy.
Curt and Tully have whiskeydrink climbing the charts top
ten.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
He's over there complaining about being 50.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
I think you know how many writers that turn 50 wish
they had a song on the charts.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Wish they had a song cut period.
The word is still two syllables, but it's not grumpy.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
It should be thankful it should be, thankful.
Neil grumpy.
It should be thankful.
It should be thankful, neil,that really cut to the core.
You should, it's supposed to.
You're right, though you shouldbe ashamed.
Oh, we're complaining about it,you look so disappointed in a
song on the charts here's myzero expenses oh see it's funny.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
What'd you say?

Speaker 5 (34:05):
hello, zero expenses, no worries, here's why here's
why I'm grumpy he, he has nodebt.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
I'm just trying to get him right.
I do know that.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
I'm trying to get him right.
Well, I like it.
It's the best way.
Here's why.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
I'm grumpy, it's because my son is going off to
college and the college I won'tname it right now, but it's
really crushing us financiallybecause he needs to go to this
place.
It's a great place for him.
He needs to go to this place,it's a great place for him.
So I'm in the middle ofbickering well, my wife is with

(34:35):
trying to get some help.
Neil, neil, neil, that is verypolite.
Anyway, that's why I'm grumpy.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Crushing him financially?
What?

Speaker 5 (34:49):
It is crushing.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
I've done the math.
See, let me be bitter, can Inot be bitter?
Okay, you turn 50.
Get over it, tomorrow I'll letyou be bitter today.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Don't be bitter.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
But you guys are right.

Speaker 5 (35:05):
Be better, my God, here we go.
Come on be happy, be thankful.
You've got a top 10.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
The East Base Intervention You've got a top 10
pin screaming up the charts yes, it's the top five most played
for a spin increase this week Isit.
Yes See, I wouldn't even knowthat.
And Aldean has two in the topfive the one with John.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Morgan.
Yeah, john Morgan.
We've got to have John Morganon, we will Speaking of him.
He wants to do it.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
He's a badass.
You know, this is what goodfriends do.
I'll tell you this that is agood slap in the head for you
guys.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
It is.
That's what we're here for, bob.
It is Slaps in the head, you'rewelcome.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
That's what we're here for In a good way.
You're right, I shouldn't becomplaining.
Got a new tattoo.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
You got $100,000 worth of tattoos on just your
arms.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
So, I'm not buying any of your woes.

Speaker 5 (35:55):
You could sell that one arm.
You could sell that one arm aday for a semester, for your kid
.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
I feel like I got scolded the price of ink these
days.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
I don't know what those cost.
I got to tell you somethingthis tattoo, the new one.
For some reason I don't know ifit was just a weird day man it
got down on the elbow and it waslike I was having to like,
focus, focus.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
That's the weenus.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
That's the weenus, 50 weenus, right there on the
weenus, 50 year old weenus, I'veheard that's very painful.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
to get one on the weenus yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Oh my God, I've never Stay away from the weenus, sir
oh my God, don't touch me there.
Seriously, guys, don't touch mein my weenus, they'll be
putting you under next time youget a tattoo?

Speaker 5 (36:43):
Oh hell no.
No that won't be happening.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
All right, somebody pivot from weenus, kurt, what do
you got?

Speaker 5 (36:49):
You can't pivot from weenus, I got nothing.
Yeah, you can't pivot fromweenus, I got nothing.

Speaker 7 (36:54):
Yeah, you can't pivot from Weenus that is good,
though You're right.

Speaker 5 (36:56):
You guys are both right, Like just you're right.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
What am I complaining about?
That's right, we're alwaysworried about the next one.
I get that.
I get that, but congrats onthis one, thank you.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Thank you very much.
It's good that the team isstill representing.
It's great.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
It's fantastic.
You're right.
You guys are absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Don't complain.
I mean be like.
Biden came out today with hisfirst speech since the— he's gay
Since the— no, no.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Wouldn't that be amazing to come out at
80-something?

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah, that'd be amazing, very niche, well, he'd
say.
You know, I had no idea I was.
That's what he'd say, but hewas informed by one of his aides
.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Oh, there's a joke in there somewhere.
That wasn't on purpose, I didsee him.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Anyway.
He was captivating today, justas captivating as he was during
the—.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Well, give us some highlights.
What?

Speaker 1 (37:56):
During the highlights during the run.
Uh well, he talked, you know Idon't know what he said.

Speaker 8 (37:58):
Really, I was trying to figure it out, you know, but
where was it?

Speaker 1 (37:59):
salad stuff.
It was in chicago, I'm not surewhat the event was, okay, um,
but he was saying things and uh,he was against, uh, all the
things trump was doing, and uhsaying how he's tearing down
social security and stuff, andwhich I hadn't heard anything
about that until he came out andsaid that was happening.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
But have you guys heard of this thing that people
the liberals are talking aboutnow how they're blaming the
election and how it went on themanoverse, you guys heard this
term, the manoverse.
You guys heard this, jim, oranybody?
No, so it's basically blamingus male podcasters because it

(38:40):
was such an influence actuallyon the election for young men,
because people are listening topodcasts but they're complaining
that it's all male voices.
Interesting yeah so they'recalling this the Manoverse.
What a stupid word.
That's my new favorite stupidword.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
Only a liberal will make that up a Manoverse.
You're right.
Make it sound like a negativething.
Yeah, we have to get Whitlockto talk about this.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
It all started at Augusta.
It all started when they lettwo women into Augusta.
You want to expand?

Speaker 2 (39:18):
No, I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
I love women, I love the female population, but why
can't men have their own club ifthey want one?
Why do they have to pressuretheir way in and elbow their way
into a men's club just to go?
Once they got in, they go oh,we're in, now what?

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Okay, I'll back you up.
It's odd, I'll back you up.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
It's so odd they wear green.
It's so stupid they have theirclubs.
Right yeah, we don't try toinfiltrate their space, their
e-space.
Why can't men have their ownclubs today?
All right, I'm backing you up.
It's a men's club.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
I like the men's club .
I'm with you.
What's wrong with that?

Speaker 3 (39:56):
That's like a I saw it coming when that all went
down.

Speaker 7 (40:01):
When was that Years?

Speaker 3 (40:01):
ago.
That was years ago, you know.
Condoleezza Rice is in thereand some other and I was like,
oh God, if they let them in justbecause they're raising hell,
we're screwed.
Men's clubs are screwed, yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
I don't know what we'll do as a society.
I don't know.
I mean, of all the thingsthat's happening in the world,
that keeps me up, the most isthat.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Well, I don't stay up over it, I'm just like why?
Why do they feel the need tohave to do that?

Speaker 1 (40:42):
To be equal Well, equal in value different in role
.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
We're not equally endowed.
We're different species.
We're different sexes.
We're different.
Men want to have their own club.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Let them have their own club.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
It's hard to argue, K-Lo, We'll be right back.
No, it is Kurt.
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Speaker 3 (41:06):
I could go on and on and on and give you my opinions
about stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
This is safe space.
I'm telling you man it's justus.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
I could go on and on, and on.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
I didn't know that that had happened, to be honest
with you.
So for me, at its most basicform, we can have our own club.
Yeah, I don't see the big deal.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Yeah, so we're not allowing any women to come this
is a boys club right here.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Well, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Try that in a small town podcast.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
It's for men only, except for all the lovely guests
that we've already had and wewant to have later on.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Well, they're temporary they can come in as
guests.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
He knows not what he says, folks hey look.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
Tom Petty said it best Original glory.
When Stevie Nicks asked TomPetty, basically, you know, can
I be in the Heartbreakers?
Tom Petty said well, stevie,there's no girls in the
Heartbreakers.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
He did say that huh oh yeah, wow, well, I mean
that's their club.
And then, what's wrong withthat?
Well, nothing.
Nothing.

Speaker 5 (42:09):
Yeah, and the other part of that quote's great.
And she goes well, tom, why notshe goes?
I'm in a rock band and Tom goeswell, not really.
She's talking about FleetwoodMac, which I always loved.
I mean, hey, I love StevieNicks.
Stevie Nicks is great.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I love Lindsey Buckingham.
Yeah, there's no girls on theHeartbreakers.
There's no girls on theHeartbreakers.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
There's no girls on the Heartbreakers.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Somebody was saying before we were recording
actually maybe it was Lana shewas talking about we need to
have all the wives on Talkingabout how it's a boys club.
We could give the wives anepisode.
Well, hold on, that's a greatpoint.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
We could, we could give the wives an episode, but
you said no more.
But they're not.
They're not the stars this isour.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
They get one episode.
Is this our augusta?

Speaker 3 (42:57):
or are we gonna?
And people can take me thewrong way and the things that I
say the wrong, but it's not.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
It's none of it's true whatever, I think they're
taking you the way they took oursong the wrong way.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
It wasn't true.
They can take what I say andthere's gonna be a lot of women
that agree with me I like this.
There's gonna be a lot of mywife would agree with you yeah,
there's gonna be a lot of womenthat hate me and there's gonna
be a lot of women that agreewith everybody loves you.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
Everybody I've talked to loves you not everybody no,
but you wouldn't want everybody.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
There's this one.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
There's this one guy no here's

Speaker 5 (43:25):
I've heard some.
Sorry, kaylo, before I forgetbecause I'm old now um, I've had
, you know, some friends fromhome who are female friends from
home.
They go, they go, man.
Neil.
I don't want to like him, but Ilove him.

(43:45):
You know why Well no, why.
Here's why Because you'reyou're a great person, but
you're really genuine, andthere's nothing wrong with
having an opinion on a thought,but it comes out very genuine.
I think people's problem iswhen they don't know if
someone's genuine Agree and younever come across that way.

(44:10):
I equate.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Neil to the old Simon Cowell.
When American Idol first cameout, people used to hate him.
However, he was just tellingyou the truth.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
It was yes, that's exactly right.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
So, like you, can speak your truth, and there's
absolutely nothing wrong withthat.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
Sometimes people most people I think you all would
agree have a hard time actuallyhearing the truth.
I think people don't want tohear the truth about things.
Neil has his truth, which isvery genuine.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
It's not my truth.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
It is the truth, good correction it depends on the
topic.
Sometimes it's the truth,sometimes it's your truth,
sometimes it's your truth.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
No, no, no.
I would never say anything thatwasn't true.
That wasn't the truth, not mytruth.
I don't have my truth.
That's totally, totally wrongto have my truth.
That's not right, it's prettymuch the truth there's another.
T-shirt it's pretty much thetruth.
There's another t-shirt it'spretty much the truth.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
You can disagree with it, but you don't know the
truth.
But my point is you have thingsthat you believe in very
strongly and that's your truth.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Yes, no, it's not my truth, it's the truth.
Okay Well, everything I say iscorrect.
Okay, well, hey.
So, speaking of the truth, okaywell, everything I say is
correct.
Okay, well, hey so speaking ofthe truth.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
So, speaking of the truth, this is a.
It doesn't seem like a goodsegue, but you'll get it in a
few minutes we'll see, because Iactually got the word a little
bit earlier today because thelast few days you know if you're
a college football fan, youknow about tennessee and the qb
leaving, you know and all thatstuff you know.
So he's gone.
I think the coaching staff,they did the right thing.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
They did an excellent job.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
To preach on that, but as a fan and this happens in
other areas and I had you knowhow you remember Bible verses
wrong sometimes and you make ityour own and you think and
you'll say one thing, but you goback years later and it's like
oh gosh, I interpreted thattotally.
That's not what it says.
I've told a hundred people youknow that will it's your truth.
Well, anyway, exactly, yeah,that it had become my truth, but

(46:23):
not the truth, right?
So?
So anyway, you know, when thathappens, as a fan, I'm thinking,
as a lot of people were,because you're in the, you're in
the mad mode, right.
You're thinking I hope he failsso epically.
You're thinking all these badthings.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
That's our first instinct.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Now you don't think anything terrible happens to him
.
You say I hope he learns hislesson, I hope he doesn't get
close to what he already had atTennessee.
So you're going through thatand I was kind of reminded of
that verse that I thought saidoh how we rejoice at the
misfortune of others, right.
And so I looked that up and Ithought, because there's another
two friendships I've had thathave went awry, tell us about

(47:04):
that.
Now that's a different podcast,but we'll get into it.
We'll get into it, we'll getinto it.

Speaker 7 (47:10):
I already told that story, by the way.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
But then I thought, oh, that's just a human thing
and that scripture's in there tomake us feel good because, yeah
, of course We've been wrongedin some way, and so it's okay to
wish poorly of the other person.
But that's not what it says.
It says do not wish poorly onyour enemies, or God will lose
his vengeance against thatperson.
So he will be.
Because you're mad and you wishbad things on him, god takes

(47:32):
his anger away.
So, nico, I'm so happy for youand I want to give all that.
But anyway, I was reminded ofthat today.
It's just kind of interesting.
We're talking about truth andyou kind of forget sometimes.

(47:52):
And you, you read something along time ago and you've you've
kind of swapped it around towhere it works better for you
and it's easier, and then Ithought, well, crap, now I can't
be mad at Nico, so I'm not madanymore.
I'm looking forward to the nextseason?

Speaker 2 (47:58):
What if Nico transferred to Alabama?

Speaker 1 (48:01):
He can't because it's in the SEC and it's in spring,
so you can't do that.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
We wouldn't take him anyway.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Now, if he did?
Obviously as a sports fan, it'sjust entertainment, right?
Obviously you'd want them todominate them, you know.
But if it was Alabama, anyway,you'd still want to win.
You'd want to get sacked morethan normal.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Where else would be?
Since you can't go to SEC likeNotre Dame, that would be awful.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
I don't know Miami, there's so much speculation.
Now I heard UCLA.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
By the time this airs , I'm sure it'll have happened.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Right, it would have happened by the time this airs,
nothing may happen.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
I think it's all backfiring from what I've read.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
It's all it is what's all backfiring on?

Speaker 3 (48:37):
officially entered the portal today, yeah, but
there's nobody gonna pay himwhat he wanted at tennessee and
what did he want?
He wanted like four million,four million, yeah, and he was
making two, five at ut and nowI've been reading that all these
colleges, when he comes down toa million, will talk to him.
It's like he's going to lose amillion and a half if it doesn't

(48:57):
work out for him.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah, I don't know what will end up happening.
Who knows, somebody may pay himbank and everything, but the
pressure now on that kid,because now the whole, I mean,
let's say he does get a fewmillion bucks.
You talk about snap one, youtalk about pressure on now.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Now I have to be the most excellent QB in the country
.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
What's he done to earn?

Speaker 5 (49:16):
four million, because I don't know a lot about this
subject.
Is that guaranteed money?
Well, I don't know what thecontract?

Speaker 2 (49:27):
says he has to fulfill his part of the
obligation.

Speaker 5 (49:31):
Okay NFL, even though he didn't fulfill his part of
the obligation Okay, I know like.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
NFL, even though he didn't fulfill a lot of his
obligations last year, like hedidn't show up for some of the
signings, some of the stuff thathe was sponsoring, but they
kind of slid that under the rugbecause he was playing pretty
good.
Yeah, interesting.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yeah.
It's crazy now that they can'tshow it, like whether an agent
or a parent or whatever said hey, if you don't show up day four,
spring game bet I can get youan extra million.
Yeah.
18-year-old, 19, 20-year-oldkid saying really yeah, all
right.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah, he got some bad advice.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Right, he got some bad advice and then the
university says, because theteam is, I mean, how are you
going to win the team back likeafter that?

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Yeah, you know, saban saw it coming.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
He did.
That's why he got out.
He got out at the exact righttime you are right dude, how do?

Speaker 5 (50:17):
you coach it, you can't, you can't, you can't
coach it, you can't.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
That's Some of these guys have coached in the NFL
goes to the crapper and thenyou're not going to win a
national championship If yourlocker room is separated like
that, who's going?
To block for that guy?
Not many.
Not Thrasher.
Not me.

Speaker 7 (50:44):
I'm not blocking.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
I think we should have women in football now they
had their league with thelingerie.

Speaker 5 (50:51):
What was that?
When they wore the bathingsuits?

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Yeah, I don't remember the name of the league,
but that's volleyball.
No, no, league with thelingerie, what was that?
When they wore the bathingsuits?
I don't remember the name ofthe league.
I think that's volleyball.
No, no, they had a league wherethey had like Lingerie yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
I don't remember what it was called.
What married guys can beallowed to watch that?

Speaker 3 (51:04):
I've never even heard of that.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
It was a thing.
It was a thing had a season,had a run.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
No kidding, huh, how to season.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
How to run.
No kidding, yeah, huh, yeah.
Who will fuck it?

Speaker 3 (51:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
That's their club.
Do we have?

Speaker 3 (51:17):
any more questions from any of our listeners.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
We did, we had one more.
What?
Was that Jim?
The.
Lfl.
Lingerie, lingerie.

Speaker 7 (51:25):
Football.
League, the LFL.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
The Lingerie Football League.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Poor advertising.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
The X League, the lingerie football league, poor
advertising, yeah the.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
XFL.
That's what I'm thinking of.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
I think I'm ready for an.

Speaker 7 (51:43):
LGBTQRS football league.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Or the XXL FL, xxl FL , lgbtqfl.
What would?

Speaker 2 (51:46):
that be like Plus I don't know.
Let's get to a question.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
No, why do you want to, kurt?
I think that's.
I'll let you this is goingfantastic Speak your truth.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Last question, last question.

Speaker 7 (51:59):
Super fan Ed here.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Super fan Ed Question for you guys on the latest
single.

Speaker 7 (52:05):
Congrats on Whiskey Drink.
I see it's in the top ten.
I assume that's on radio.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
Top five.

Speaker 7 (52:10):
I listen to Sirius XM radio and Whiskey Drink was
played for four months, fromOctober through January, and
then stopped and I don't hear itagain.
Can you guys provide someinsight into how things work on
Sirius XM and some of theseother platforms versus the radio
and where the influence is onwhy these songs get played

(52:33):
earlier or later or not all atthe same time?
Just trying to understand howit works and once again,
congrats on the success ofWhiskey Drink.
Thanks.

Speaker 5 (52:44):
Ed.
And to Ed for a year Ed's beenwith us, ed's been right here
and it sounds to me like thatpayola check bounced.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Whoever that went to, you're actually not.
I'm sure you're not far off,charlie.
You said you might have a.
Well, I think.

Speaker 5 (53:04):
Ed, what happens these days is between streaming
and XM and I think sometimes thelabel will release songs
earlier to stream or earlier toXM than regular radio to build
up streams, to build a littleattention to the song.

(53:25):
I personally don't like it.
I think I'm going to sound oldagain.
But the days of being excitedabout when an artist releases a
single it's kind of gone now,where it used to be that
excitement, a ramp up to asingle release.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
And you're talking about from the writer's
perspective.

Speaker 5 (53:44):
Yeah, and even the artist too, because, for example
, like you know, a song likeWhiskey Drink, we all love that
song, but you know, like youknow, you release it ahead of
time and it loses some of thepunch of excitement.
It happens to everybody thesedays, like any song you hear on
the radio has already been outto XM and streaming a while

(54:05):
before.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
You know, go ahead, I was just going to say but and
you alluded to it, like I thinkit could be, because that came
out prior to terrestrial radio.
Yeah.
Those listeners have heard it.
You know so much that they'reonto other things, right Well,
and which it doesn't affectwhether it's like it's a top
five right now.
It doesn't affect it goingnumber one if it's not on XM

(54:26):
right now.
It doesn't affect it goingnumber one if it's not on xm
right now, because now you'reafter those reporters it's two
different worldsso it doesn't affect it going
number one or anything like that.
And I think it's just a,because I always used to think
like when you had a new artisthe's like oh man crap, we're
doing great in wichita and thismarket, this market, this market
, they're in medium and heavy,it's light everywhere else.
I'm saying we'll never gonumber one because you've eaten

(54:46):
up areas that have went in heavyand they'll be tired of it and
you'll need them all at the sametime.

Speaker 5 (54:50):
You know what I mean I'll tell you this right now,
sitting on music row right now,and labels can argue with me and
I'll just call them out.
That's how we're talking aboutit.
No one still knows what astream means.
What a stream means if theytell you what it means, or tell
you what it what, it canactually translate to the full

(55:15):
of shit.
The only thing in this genrethat still matters when it comes
to to to people listening iscountry radio still impacts.
If you have a top 10 countryradio, you can actually see that
translate whether you'replaying.
You know you could have beenplaying 500 seat clubs and now
you're playing a thousand.
You can see it every.
You know you get a top five.
You can.

(55:35):
You can see that translate to ahard ticket sale.
You can have someone streaming4 million a week as a young
artist and they can't sell out300 seats.
So there's something in thestreaming world that isn't
connecting.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Yeah Well, like you said you manufactured numbers.

Speaker 5 (55:55):
Whatever you want to say.
What is a stream?
They don't know.
Is someone actually listeningto the song?
Doesn't matter, because if it,if, if the stream mattered, if,
like they think it does, then bytheir point, if you're
streaming five million a week,like if neil thrasher puts out a
song on his own next week, it'sgreatest song ever be the

(56:16):
greatest vocal ever.
Say he's streaming threemillion a week but he tried to
sell out of a club in chicago.
Might sell 100 tickets, mightsell.
Might sell 100 tickets, mightsell 500 in another place.
My point is Radio Ed is still.
That's why everybody stillloves it and cares about it.

(56:38):
Labels will tell you oh,radio's going away.
That's not the case.
We've been hearing that foryears.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
I know we have, we've been hearing it for years.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
If they didn't care about it then every artist would
still want number one, and it'stwo totally different streams
of income Ed.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Yes, one of them is income and the other is not.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Two completely different streams, the streaming
world.
Actually, we're living inpoverty.
If we didn't have the radio,the terrestrial radio, we would
be living in poverty.
It's what?
0.008 of a penny per stream.
It goes out and is split threeways or four ways.
It crushes my soul when you saythat, yeah, it's amazing and

(57:16):
that's why Elon Musk needs tobuy Spotify and reconfigure
everything it actually is one ofthe saddest things, though,
which is why song quality willcontinue to dip.

Speaker 5 (57:29):
You know we're not going to have incredible songs
because we can't make a livingon streaming as songwriters the
day of the standard is prettymuch coming to an end.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
The day of the standard song, songs that are
standards that live forever.

Speaker 5 (57:45):
That's a great point, it's a great point.
It's a great point.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
They burn through them so fast.
These songs come out so fast.
Morgan Wallen puts out music sofast, one right after the other
.
They don't have time to becomestandards.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
Well, people also don't have the attention span.
This is the problem.
And you figure out how torelease music nowadays.
It's sad when you just put arecord out 12 great songs or
whatever.
The minute you put the recordout today, in one week people
want new music.
That's already old, that'salready old.

(58:19):
You know.
People don't listen the sameanymore.
They don't a lot of it'sbecause they don't have the
physical album cd.
They're not looking at it.
They don't own a lot of it'sbecause they don't have the
physical album CD.
They're not looking at it, theydon't own it.
They own it but they don't.
It's just different, definitelymore disposable, you know.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
I still think there'll be songs that it's all
relative in where you grew upand where you were when you
started loving Aldine or MorganWallen.
I think when you look back andyou get older, those people like
Morgan hitting a lick now olderthose, those people like with
morgan hitting a lick now,there's going to be songs that
pop into their head out of thehundreds that he releases and
they're going to be able torecall three or four of them
that are the biggest songs everto them.

(58:54):
I still think to them thosewill be, those will be standards
, you know that's an interestingpoint, though, neil.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
You got me thinking and I you know I hated to cut
you off, but I almost agree withNeil.
It's like there's.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
I agree with me.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
But listen there's.
They don't get to live inrecurrent land that much because
he's got too much new musiccoming out, and I'm not saying
Morgan necessarily specifically,but for maybe other artists.
I mean Last Night's the one Ican think of Morgan.
It's massive, we'll liveforever.
But it's a great point.
Because there's so much music,the recurrent ones don't get to

(59:31):
live as much.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
I don't know.
I think Morgan Wallen would bethe only one that would come
close to having maybe a standardhere and there that will live
forever.
You know Not.
There's no more.
There's no more songs that willlive on.
I could name, I could give youa list and name songs and you'd
go standard and most of themthat I would name today you

(59:54):
would be like, yeah, I know thesong, but it's.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Maybe, maybe I'm not saying disagree.
The only thing I would have adifferent view on is the fact
that when we're dead and goneand there's other people in the
East basis studio here doing apodcast about their runs and
their hits and stuff, that it'dbe completely different, like I
don't think that the standardsthat we like, when we say
standards, we're still, we'restill throwing in like really

(01:00:19):
old names, right.
I don't think people 20 yearsfrom now are going to be going
back and say, man, willie Nelson, you know, I just don't think
they're going to do that.
I think their standards wouldcome, you know, from this time,
or 10 years back, or 15.
I don't know if they'll go 50years back.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
No, I agree with the timeline.

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
Well, I don't know.
And it's okay to disagree withNeil, don't be scared.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
I don't know.
I'm on this side of the table.

Speaker 5 (01:00:44):
I'm going with Neil, no, but you know there's a
resurgence in the youngpopulation today listening, that
are discovering the oldstandards, the standards that
were in the 90s.
True and the ticket sales aregoing up, which is why you know
you've got people which AlanJackson had.
Some of those for me, likethose really incredible to me,
like great country songs, youknow, to me great country songs.

(01:01:06):
And people are discovering thestandard, the Brooks and Dunn
standards.
Those are there because they'regood, great songs.
There's a reason why they'rerediscovering them because they
are standards.
So I'm a big Morgan Wallen fan.
We all are, I think.
Morgan is super talented anddeserves all the success because

(01:01:29):
he's a very talented guy.
I'm with Kurt, it's almost toomuch.
I was driving in and I heardlike three Morgan Mullins songs.
Yeah, I hope it's not too muchand they're good they're killing
it while they're doing it.
You don't have time to reallyabsorb it because you're not

(01:01:50):
living with it, your tension,but that's today.
In general, your tension ispulled in 10 different places.
So that's why my daughter Imean she's on TikTok and she's
listening to like old rock androll that I loved.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
So is my daughter.

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
You know, and it's interesting because those are
standards.
And she that I loved so is mydaughter, you know, and it's
interesting because those arestandards and she's absorbing
that.
But it's like today's music,the artist it's so much.
I don't know if you have timeto know if they have a standard.
You know, Morgan, like WhiskeyGlasses to me is one people
still love and Last Night was ahuge song and I heard three
songs I like but'm.
But it's hard because you knowany artist is is going to start

(01:02:29):
sounding.
The song starts sounding alight, because that's what.
That's what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
you know it's not well, if anybody morgan wallen,
uh, camp or cruise listen outthere, I want to be on the
morgan wallen song thateverybody just despises.
I want to be on the least ofthe least just anything get me
on one of those records I meanamen.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
It's hard for songwriters to get excited
anymore.
I don't get excited if I seesomebody putting out a song on
social media.
They call it a single but it'snot really a single because it's
not to radio, but they call ita single and they put it out
there and that new song comingout?
I don't like it's like I can'tget excited because you don't
make any money.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
Well, here's what's going to happen you make nothing
.
I just had a conversation witha young manager that we know in
town.
He started a label, joyAdventure, I can't remember with
who.
Anyway, the new model is goingto be this the songwriters are
going to get a percentage of themasters.
That's a good idea and that'sthe only way to keep them going.

(01:03:28):
That's the only way to keep,because I was telling Kurt the
other day like, like creatives,like us, there's nothing more
dangerous as a creative thanhaving your ambition in the wind
taken out of your sails.
When, when, when you'recreative and everything, you
feel it and it's you're going towrite the great, you're going
to write great songs.
When you feel like it's you'removing forward and you're

(01:03:50):
positive and it's like great.
But when you feel like youdon't have a reason for it, some
of the most talentedsongwriters in town are going to
stop creating it.
And so, by giving thesongwriters a little piece of
the master, that adds a littlebit of incentive and that's what
you they're going to have to doit adds, and some artists
already do that some some ofthem and then that may and I

(01:04:12):
think that may be happening I'mjust not writing with those
particular artists but it needsto be.
It needs to be more than a um,occasional happening.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Yeah you know, because you're not, we're not
going to have great songs wecan't just burn a writer's idea
like if that's's your onlyincome.
You can't drive to town, throwthem your idea and they write
something, and then they put outhalf the song on social media
to get, you know, 100 morefollowers that night and all
you're doing is buying Uber Eatsand going backwards, you know.
So what happens is you come totown and you don't throw your

(01:04:41):
ideas anymore.
Yeah and say what idea do youhave?

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
If I know you're going to put it out on social
media, I'm not going to givethem my idea.
It's a really interestingproblem and so the way to fix it
is to involve the songwritersand send them to master, and
that's how you're going to getgreat songwriters to write great
songs again.
Yeah.
Otherwise we're I hate to sayit we're going to be stuck with
the crap that's out there.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Yeah, I'm going to go lay tile again.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
I'm going to hang on to the bitter end.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
We're going to keep writing Cause we love it.
We still love it, what we love.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
And I know we talk about things, but but what?
What?
What I love is is if you comeup with something, regardless of
whether it makes money yet,because long before something
makes money, you've got toexcite the co-writers in the
room or the artists in the room.
And if I can do that and ifthey say, well, I love that,
then my validation box has beenchecked, then I feel good for

(01:05:41):
the day and so I feel like I'vedone something.
I've made zero money, but Ifeel really good.
And so if I can drive and ifyou write a decent song, you can
drive home in a positive mode.
That will help you create otherthings, because you're excited,
because somebody validated whatyou do, which will make you
think of better things otherthan you know.
Being down in the dumps all thetime and man, we're not doing

(01:06:01):
this, man, that's not going tomake me think of good ideas.
So for me, still, theexcitement is coming up with
something that could besomething whether it is or not.

Speaker 5 (01:06:12):
Yeah, I think.
I think the hope's always there, as long as labels continue.
Some labels in town, though,don't want to take artists to
radio.
So if you're not going to takeyour artists to radio, then I'm
not throwing a hook out there,not a chance.
I'm not throwing a hook outthere, not a chance.
If you, if the hope is to onlystream, then if you're not
getting if you're not getting apercentage of the master, then

(01:06:34):
they can, and that's what whathappens.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
And or you can, or you can pay me like five or 10
grand and I'll come right withyou.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
No, Okay, that's not a bad idea, there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
If you think I'm a good writer, why not pay me up
front?

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
I still owe you a thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Because I'm not going to make that with streaming.
If you have a big social mediahit, I'm not going to make Jack
squat.
Go ahead and pay me up frontand I'll write one with you If
you get a piece of the master,though.

Speaker 5 (01:07:01):
There's incentive there to write a great song, but
I get that too.
There's incentive there towrite a great song, but I get
that too.
I get that up front, and yougive me a piece of the master
and an appearance fee.
I'm becoming a pop artist.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
I'm becoming a pop writer.
I'm going to start dealing.
I'm going to start playinghardball.
With what little time I haveleft.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Well, it's kind of a, you know, I've had to shift my
paradigm a little bit.
And what Tully was saying about,you know, owning a piece of the
master that make, that makessense, because we've said that
for a few years, like, hey, yougot to give us a reason to come
in the room to drive downtownand stuff like that.
Um, kind of the negative, though, if you, if you just say, hey,
I'm not going to do that, I'mnot going to write with, with
new artists, I'm not going towrite, if you, if you don't have

(01:07:38):
a deal, or if you're not goingto radio, I'm not going to do it
.
Well, what happens is, out ofthe hundred or 200 that are
trying to do it, one of them isgoing to pop, one or two or
three here and there, right, andyou've got to be lucky enough
to be in that camp so you canpop with them, because you can't
get on the train after it takesoff, because then they don't
need you.
So it's a tough road for astraight-up songwriter, because

(01:08:03):
you can't just sit back and donothing and expect it to be the
same it.
Because you can't just sit backand do nothing and expect it to
be the same.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
It's not the same anymore.
Well, if it doesn't change, ifsomething doesn't give, soon
there's going to be less andless people every year moving to
Nashville to write songs for aliving.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Simply because they can't afford it.
They can't afford it, you can'tdo it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
You can't do it full time They'll have three jobs,
while they're here, and thenthey'll wind up leaving and
going back home.

Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
And then, worse than that, the great ones you know
like aren't going to feel it,aren't going to want to write,
yeah, and so that's the problem,like I said, with the creatives
, like with myself.
I know for a fact, like, if I'mfeeling good and I'm feeling
like in a good space, I feelvery confident, very confident,

(01:08:43):
and that's when you can reallycreate your best stuff.
That's just a natural thing forcreatives, like like all of us
neil I saw neil the other dayand you mentioned this like it's
hard to get excited to writesometimes, and that's a, it
should be, because that's wherewe're at.
We're not we're going to keepdoing it and writing great songs
, you know, but it is a.
It is a frustrating thing whenyou're well, great hooks great

(01:09:06):
hooks are.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
I get excited when you have great titles and great
ideas and great hooks.
You know, I got excited whenK-Lo brought in Try that in a
Small Ten.
I'm like, oh my God, we have towrite that.
I really don't even care if itgets cut or not, we got to write
it because it's such a greathook and great title.
And it's like I wait on thosethings and I look for those
things.

(01:09:27):
Whenever I watch TV or watchmovies, I'm always looking for
now the great hook.
So I don't feel like I'mwasting my time, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Yeah, and it's still exciting, like the last trip I
was on last week.
I came up with some idea and Iknew I was going to be on the
road for a while and I knew thatNeil and Lan were on the road
for a while and I knew that neiland landon were on the road for
a while and I I called him andI said, hey, you got this idea
and I remember what it is.
I'm not gonna say it nowbecause all of you young guys
are gonna steal it from me.
But uh, they don't even knowwho we are.
I'll sue, I'm just kidding.
Um, but uh, but anyway, but youjust, you just kind of said,

(01:09:57):
hey, what do you think aboutthat?
And he goes, he goes, yeah, yeah, I like that.
And then I felt good all theway home still didn't make any
money, but a guy I respect, oneof the best buddies, one of the
best songwriters and singers intown, validated me.
He said that's a great idea,kalo, I love that, we'll write
that.
And I went ha-ha, and then Ijust drive home happy.
There you go.
That's kind of all I needed formy little bucket, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
I love it.
Probably wrap it up here.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
Do you want to talk a little bit more about e-spaces,
because this has been awesome.
You can see, it inspired ourconversation.
My buddy, john purtle, who runsthis joint, who has these e
spaces going up.
He's got one going in coolsprings.
We're down on music row rightnow and these awesome office
spaces in this studio is rad.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
It's really good I know I feel very comfortable no,
I know it, these chairs areamazing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
These chairs are amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:10:46):
Well, it's fun to talk about business when we're
down here in Music Row.
That's cool, that's fun.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
I know it.
I know it.
I feel like we're telling onthe people that are walking up
and down the sidewalk outside.
It's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
And, too, it's kind of full circle like we were
talking about.
The row is definitely different, music the row is definitely
different.
You know music row is different, but we've been blessed, you
know, to be back on the row allthese years later and we're on a
podcast on music row on theninth floor of a building which,
you know, there's onlytwo-story houses.
you know when I moved here andit's really cool just to be

(01:11:21):
talking about the blessings thatwe've had and the industry that
we still love.
Yes, we get frustrated, but westill love it.
Oh, that's right, blessingsthat we've had and the industry
that we still love.
Yes, we get frustrated but westill love it and the
competition and the creativity,everything and everything, and
so it's still cool to be down onmusic row talking about songs.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Love it how it's the same.
It's really the same.
It's the same black top outthere.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
The buildings have gotten a little taller, but
that's because business is goodyeah pretty awesome music row
will always be music row godbless the boys and made the
noise on 16th avenue we builtthis city on rock and roll and
pedal away girls leave us acomment.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Watch on youtube, uh, review.
Uh, one of my favorite thingsis to get up monday morning and
you know ed's gonna leave thosecomments and I love how he gives
the play by play.
He's he's watching and he'llcomment as he's watching, which
is awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
You know what ed's gonna have to come to town and
sit sit in on a lot okay, that'sa good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
We'll get ed on here and uh, but we need to get ed
drunk when he's here maybe he isdrunk, maybe he is, I don't
think he is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
I don't think he is oh really yeah he's, he's
straight life.
He's not like us, but he likesus, okay well we appreciate it,
uh, but do that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Follow ed's lead.
Leave us a comment.
Give us five stars, even if youdon't like it.
Come on, give a.
Give a brother some love.
Why don't you stop at five?

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
stars.
I don't know why can't it besix stars?
Why do amps not go up to 11?

Speaker 5 (01:12:55):
like Spinal Tap.
It's blowing my mind right now.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
I don't know Five stars.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
That's your truth.
Yeah, that's it.
It's an odd number I don't likeit Tune in next week when we
talk about going above 10.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
But follow us on all the socials.
Help us out.
Guys, migrate over to X.
We're at Try that Podcast.
We're on TikTok.
We're crushing there, crushingthe Instagram.
Shout out to Allie who'sworking her butt off for us.
It's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Anything else, just thanks to all the incredible
guests we've got.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Thank you, guys, for and Al Dean for getting the
guests that we've had.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
It's just been really , really fun.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
I can't wait to keep going.

Speaker 5 (01:13:33):
A year.
It's hard to believe, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
I know you look amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:13:36):
All you guys look amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Even in these office lights For the thrash.
And your truth Kalo, what?
Maybe that's your new nicknamethe Truth, the.

Speaker 7 (01:13:49):
Truth I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Even though I didn't write it.
You didn't write it, but itstill kind of fits, I know, but
it's still a good nickname.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
We got TK.
I'm Kurt.
This is the Try that in a SmallTown Podcast.

Speaker 6 (01:13:58):
Thanks guys, Make sure to follow along, subscribe,
share, rate the show and check.

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