The Evolution of a Band With Nothing Left to Prove :: Ep 70 Try That in a Small Town Podcast

Twenty years into their musical journey, Kurt and Tully experience a profound moment of clarity during their Nashville show. What makes this performance different? There's a palpable sense of arrival—no longer needing to prove themselves to industry insiders, but simply connecting with fans who appreciate their extensive catalog of hits.

Against this backdrop of artistic confidence, the conversation takes a fascinating turn toward the rapidly evolving world of AI in songwriting. In just weeks, one songwriter's perspective has shifted dramatically after witnessing how these tools are being embraced throughout Nashville's creative community. What once took days now happens in minutes—songs transformed into professional-sounding demos through algorithms rather than session musicians. This efficiency comes with profound questions about what's gained and what's lost when technology replaces human collaboration.

The discussion reveals a music industry at a crossroads. Veterans who remember the "magical days" of rushing between demo sessions across Music Row now watch as AI threatens to fundamentally alter how music is created. "I hate to feel like you don't have to be creative to create," one participant laments, capturing the existential concern at the heart of this technological revolution. Yet there's also recognition of AI's potential benefits for individual songwriters with specific limitations.

Beyond the studio, the conversation explores how audience behavior at concerts has changed, with fans increasingly throwing objects at performers across musical genres. The contrast between phone-obsessed American audiences and the fully present fans at an Oasis concert overseas highlights how technology continues to reshape our relationship with live music.

What emerges is a thoughtful examination of tradition versus innovation, convenience versus craft, and what it means to create authentic music in an increasingly algorithmic world. For anyone who cares about the soul of songwriting and the future of musical creation, this conversation offers valuable perspective from those who've witnessed the industry's transformation firsthand.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
We've played the arena in Nashville eight times,
nine times, something like thatright.
For some reason, I don't knowit's because maybe it's the
20-year anniversary of the firstalbum, or whatever I personally
felt like it was the first timewe played a show where it was
like we didn't feel like we hadanything to prove.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Either last week or the week before, we were talking
about AI a little bit, and inthat short amount of time my
opinion has already changed.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Since then Pretty drastically since then.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Really, as far as songwriting goes, yeah, what's
he talking about when hedirected that question at me?
What's he talking about you?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
must have said when we were talking about people
throwing stuff up oh, it'sprobably amazing TV.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Oh, he was the one doing it.
Like he was the one doing it?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
I don't know that.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
That was comedy.
That was not deducting, thatwas comedy, amazing.

Speaker 5 (00:56):
The Try that in a Small Town podcast begins now I
think it's the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Try that in a Small Town.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
All right, it's been an adventure, but we're back.
This is a Try that in a SmallTown podcast.
It's been a bumpy road.
It's been a little bit of abumpy road, I think Patriot
Mobile of course we're here atthe eSpaces studio Still feels
good, yeah, loving it.
Oh, my God, neil, what are youdoing?

Speaker 4 (01:29):
I have to spread my nostrils to breathe.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
I hate that we have cameras.
Do you do that at homeSometimes?

Speaker 4 (01:35):
I wear Breathe Right strips.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
I was going to say do you snore?
Yeah, if we had thisconversation, I do, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Don't ask my wife.
Yet I do, I do snore.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
Yeah, don't ask my wife, yet I do?

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I do snore I sleep good.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
I feel like I sleep good.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
I wake up rested.
That happens to me.
I sleep great, but my wife saysI snore.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yeah, I sleep great.
Are we ever going to?
She doesn't.
Is that normal?
I mean, I think I purr.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
It's kind of like a tizzle.
I wish I purred.
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I imagine that that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Tully, do you snore?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
I do you do it's a beautiful sound, though what?

Speaker 4 (02:13):
is it about snoring?
Seriously, though, I mean howcome we don't have that figured
out yet, because we all, I mean,why is it mostly men?

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Why, because we're overworked.
We're overworked.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
That's exactly that's why that's why, I'm just
laughing uncontrollably.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
I think you should elaborate on that.
Rhyming is hard, overworked,stress.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
The stress of everything.
Really, yeah, yeah, I mean weshould be allowed to snore.
Let us snore.
I totally agree.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Let a man snore, let us snore.
I totally agree.
Let a man snore.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
I totally agree.
Anyway, Kalo do you actuallysnore, Do you know?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
I don't know.
I think so If I'm on my back.
I think I get kicked in theside every now and then and I
know just naturally to roll over, yeah, and it stops, really
yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Hey, can I?
I get us going really strong.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yes, let's do it.
Can I come out of the gate withsomething?

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Let's do it, please do, please.
I'm looking at you, so I'mdirecting this towards you.
This is exciting, it's exciting.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
You're looking at me, I'm looking at you.
You're looking at me.
You're looking at me.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
The amazing NT.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
We'll get to that.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
But first I want to get when I get to this football
season's upon us.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Right, we are like 16 days.
Oh my gosh, it's very exciting,can't wait.
College football, pro football,let's go.
And I know neil's got a littlebit of an issue with pro
football, so let's go to thiswhat do you mean?
What are you talking about?
This year, all 32 nfl teamswill again be forced to stencil
a social justice message intheir end zone.
You can choose between thesefive.

(03:53):
You're kidding me, this is greatHold on End racism, stop hate,
choose love, inspire change.
And it takes all of us.
But what are we?
What are we doing?
That's forced but those arethose are.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
Those are the same ones they've been showing yeah I
thought they were going to belike something new.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
No, no, uh, you can't choose your own.
You have to choose one of thesefive.
It takes.
Which one are you choosing?
That's a different one.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
It takes all of us and is that a new one?
I don't know.
I think most people just not.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
No, it's not.
It's not a new one.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
All five of those all five of those that he just read
.
We've been looking at for thelast handful of years in the end
zone choose love, which one?

Speaker 3 (04:40):
if you are forced to put one of these, which one are
you gonna?
Use him again yes, you readthem again.
I was really bad at school.
End racism, stop hate, chooselove, inspire change, and it
takes all of us.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Inspire change.
None of the above Is there thatone, you don't get that one.
They don't define anything.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
What's the change Like inspire change what change.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Inspire what change.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
What needs to change?
That's a legit.
I don't have the answers.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
What needs to change.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
That's what I want.
To know what needs to change.
He's just asking you what wouldyou pick?

Speaker 2 (05:08):
because that's the option.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
If you had to pick one of these, what would you
pick?

Speaker 1 (05:11):
One more time.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
I like it, I mean if I had to pick.
If I had to pick, it's like itdepends on what team you're
talking.
My idea of inspired change isrun the ball, new quarterback.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Run the ball If you're the.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Titans you want inspired change from Will Levis.
Maybe I go inspired change,just so you can at least take
that as a wider.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
They have the end racism thing in the end zone we
talked about that before I'mlike show me where it is.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Where are the racists ?

Speaker 4 (05:42):
I'll be glad to help you end it, but show me where it
is first.
They just say it, they justthrow it out there on the field
for millions of fans to look atand everybody's scratching their
heads like what racism are youtalking about?
We'll help you end it, becauseit's a bad thing.
Yeah, I agree, but where is it?

Speaker 3 (06:00):
I agree, I don't know .
I I agree, I don't know, I'mnot seeing it.
What if you could create yourown slogan?
What would it be?
My wife actually asked me thatquestion.

Speaker 5 (06:08):
She goes.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Mine would be this is her follow the law.
She's a rule follower.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
I love that.
That's hers.
Mine would be.
Do better, do better.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah, do better in what?

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Everything You're at the NFL, do better, do, better
Do better.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
What does that even mean?
Teams, individuals If everybodydid better, it would be a great
world.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Better.
In what, though?
What are we lacking?
What are we not good at?
He's asking you let's do itright here, K-Lo.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
If there's a message, what would you put If you have
to?

Speaker 4 (06:41):
put one.
What do you put Do?

Speaker 2 (06:42):
better.
I'm not saying that's it, I'msaying that's what.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
I would do.
It's an option.
I need more, though.
It's just they're so vague.
The messages are so vague, Ineed more.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Then what would it be ?
Why don't?

Speaker 4 (06:54):
they just use the whole end zone.
Do better in your short game ingolf, just do that.
Put that, that whole phrase atthe end.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
That didn't apply to everybody.
You know, everybody didn't playgolf.
See, that's not commercial.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
Whatever it is you do , I guess do better.
But when you just say do better, it's like, it's so like
whatever.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Do you like do better than in racism?
Yes, I guess.
Why don't they just not putanything?
Why don't they just put nothing?
That's really strange.
Something's going to go there.
We just want to see a touchdown.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
I don't want to see that after a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
I don't want to have to be staring at that crap.
You're not playing by the rules.
You've got to play the game.
There's those options.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
But if I had one.
You're saying, if we had one.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
I'm just saying you don't have to either.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
We can move I like stop snoring, stop snoring.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Stop snoring.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Stop kicking me, stop snoring, drink more, feel free.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Feel free.
Yes, well, we'll talk aboutthat later.
Don't feel as free.
Yeah, we'll breeze.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
If I was the owner, I mean if it was my league, I
mean there would be some funnystuff in the end zone.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
So is that a goodell thing?
Obviously it's not the owners,right?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
I can't see.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Jerry.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
Jones and Robert.
Crasick saying you know inspirechange I mean where's that
coming from?

Speaker 1 (08:18):
That's true.
I don't know, I can't see themeither.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
I can't see.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Jerry.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Jones doing that?

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah, not at all, but I can't see him either.
I can't see Jerry Jones doingthat.
Not at all.
But they have to comply.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Can't we just have our sports Please?
Enough's enough, really, that'smine.
Enough's enough, that's myslogan.
Enough's enough, I like it.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
That's the best slogan they could put in the end
zone.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Enough's enough.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
And that could mean a lot of stuff, but we all know
what it really means.
Or you could just put theteam's names in the end zone.
Oh wow, there you go,groundbreaking.
Yeah, let's go old schoolabsolutely what else you got,
kurt?

Speaker 2 (08:54):
that was it.
I just wanted to get us goingon.
That are you excited forfootball.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Oh, yes, yes, uh.
When's ut's first game?
On the 30th alabama.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Do you know it's on the 30th Alabama.
Do you know it's on the 30thFlorida?

Speaker 2 (09:07):
State.
It's actually a pretty goodweekend it's a really good
opening weekend huge.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
So are you going to be watching?
You two going to be watchingcollege football.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, get me through to thestart of the NFL year.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Um, what about?
Can we?
Can we back?
Go backwards to thecheerleaders in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Well, yes, Explain what this is.
Oh, here we go.
Well, there's two of them right, there's two male cheerleaders.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
I mean male technically.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
I think, which is fine.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
I guess why is that fine?
Yeah, because you can have malecheerleaders.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, there are tons of male cheerleaders in well,
high school, yeah, but I getthat, bro, they lift the girls.
These are different.
These dudes, yeah, the wait,wait the guys in college though
they're, they're heaving thegirls I know it's pretty
impressive.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
They're studs, yeah, and that's fucking yeah they're
not idiots, I mean they've, butthese guys aren't going to be
lifting anybody.
This is a whole differentmessage.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, I mean I just let's, let's be honest, I've
seen the pictures I I did seethe promotional video.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
It's amazing.
I was looking.
I think they're tucking.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
I really do.
Is that what happens?
Do they tuck?

Speaker 4 (10:16):
Is that the tuck rule ?
Is that the?

Speaker 1 (10:19):
tuck rule.
That's not what they weretalking about.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
There's no bulge there, they're tucking.
That's not what they weretalking about.
There's no bulge there, they'retalking.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
I think Target had some clothes for that I'm
telling you, man, seriously.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
No, yes, they did for a while.
It's so feminine.
No, it's so anti-football.
Atlanta agrees with me that.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Target did sell a line of clothes for tucking Shut
up.
Yeah, tuck it, they still haveit.
Wait a minute I do I do wearshirts.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
There is untuck it, but they have tuck it and they
have great shirts.
They got to tuck it now, really, kayla real quick, just yes I
need to ask.
Sorry, the mill cheerleadersare talking.
I'm telling you, were youserious?

Speaker 3 (10:59):
about that yes, and I was confirmed in my thoughts
Did you try some out.
I did not try to tuck it, butTarget did, or maybe still sells
when?
What section?
Yeah, they used to be right upfront, but now they've tucked

(11:19):
them in the back.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Now they're tucked away.
Wow so, are you saying, becausewe've never got to.
So so obviously there's guysthat are, oh yeah, that are
becoming girls to be it's realfeminine.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
They're not lifting.
Yeah, they're, yeah, they'renot lifting.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Girls, they're, they're no and I might need to
do some more research.
But uh, are they transitioningor is it just?

Speaker 1 (11:42):
I don't know.
They're effeminate.
I want to.
I just want to try a pair onand see what that feels like.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Oh you're talking the Tuckets, the Tuckets, yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
The Nantuckets?
Wow, I don't know, get ussomewhere else I like this.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
I like starting off the show with a bang.
I really do.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Fun time.
We'll go to some other stuff.
You guys came to the Nashvilleshow.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yes, it was awesome.
It was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Always kind of a crazy evening for us.
But awesome knowing you guyswere out there, love you guys,
we were talking about too.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
A lot of people showed up.
John Rich came said hi, Talkingabout how much fun he had on
the podcast.
Riley Gaines was there Samething.
But yeah, like Tully said, itactually gets a little insane
yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
I can't imagine how insane it is for you guys in
town having a show in town,everybody that wants to come
back.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
It's just how many people would you say were back
there.
It was insane.
We were back there, maybe120-ish, just where we were.
And all those people arefriends or people you know and
you're trying to say hi, it's alot, it's a lot.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
It was a fun time I was telling Neil Kurt maybe you
agree or disagree, I don't knowwe played the arena in Nashville
eight times, times, nine times,something like that.
Right, for some reason I don'tknow it's because maybe it's the
you know, 20 year anniversaryof the first album, or whatever
I personally felt like it wasthe first time we played a show

(13:21):
where it was like we didn't feellike we had anything to prove.
For me, is this we just havinga great time, like for all.
I always felt like in the yearspast, like we were still trying
to prove ourself and I justfelt like we were like it was a
big club it was the most fun.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, it was a nashville show me too.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
I felt like it was a.
It was almost like everybodywas like welcoming us back to
play in nashville we've beendoing it so long almost like
they were really appreciative ofthe moment and the catalog of
songs and the hits and it justfelt like we're playing a big
bar and didn't feel like any ofus at least.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
I don't know why I felt that way, it was a lot of
fun too.
I felt jason was the same way.
Yeah, I had more fun.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
I had more fun, because usually it's such a
stiff feeling like you're tryingto impress everybody.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
You don't mean to All your business.
People are there.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
It just happens that way.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
You feel like everybody you've known for all
these years, and it's inevitablebecause, whatever you guys are
in the crowd, I want to makesure we're playing your songs.
Great, I want to make surewe're playing your songs.
It's like, and then youmultiply that by everybody
that's there.
Whatever michael knox, he's aproducer.
You want to make sure it soundsgreat for him, and so there's.
Yeah, there are differentthoughts so pressure?

Speaker 4 (14:34):
well, you got to think about it.
I mean, how many people fromyour publishing company, how
many people from your label, howmany people from management?
How many family and friendswere there of all of those
people?

Speaker 1 (14:42):
it's a ton, well cool moment and I knew we'd had a
good night.
I could feel it as we wereplaying the show.
It was loose and fun.
And Kevin Neal, who really hasbeen with us since the very,
very beginning, he texted all ofus after we left that night for
Indy to go play another showand he texts us this really long

(15:02):
text about how he was so proudand that was one of the best
things he'd seen.
And and and from Kevin comingfrom Kevin, who's seen us play
about 5,000 times.
It was that's how we feltduring the show.
I felt like we were having thatkind of night, but when Kevin
says it, you know, he's kind oflike the godfather of our whole

(15:23):
band in a way, cause he's beenthere from the very beginning.
So that was kind of cool.
It was, like you know, I knewas we were having fun and I
could feel like every song wasbeing played with a lot of
emotion that night and it alwaysfeel that way.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
But it was kind of a cool moment and that's more more
so than I felt, yeah, yeahbecause we always, if we go to a
show, you know we're going togo out front, you know where the
board is and everything, so youcan.
You know one we want to heareverything sounds, but also want
to be able to look around atall the fans, even the ones in
the very top in the back, andit's interesting to to us to
listen and look around at thesongs that they are singing just

(16:00):
the chorus to, and then onesthat they're singing the entire
song to and you just kind ofstudy it as a writer's like's
like.
Is that the cadence?
Is it the melody?
Why are they doing that?
So you can try to learnsomething from that.
But it sounded great and youguys were loose and Alden
included, like the whole band,and I knew you guys were having
fun, especially Dew over there,because he was bopping around

(16:22):
and wearing the guitar out andeverything.
He's on the side of the stagejust grinning like a whole
different, you know, wholedifferent.
His pants were falling down.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Yeah Well, that was part of the show, kurt's pants
were falling down, that's partof the loose ones.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
That's part of the loose ones I'm so glad you wear
boxers, because you could seethem I knew they were boxers, I
could tell.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
Am I right?
You are right.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yes, I am too, but it felt like we were playing a
show.
It could have been anywhere,but it was for some reason that
night.
It just felt like it wasspecial.
Yeah, it just felt different.
It felt like they were.
The crowd was almost likeeverybody in the industry was
welcoming us back versuscritiquing everything.
It almost like we've reached acertain point where you know

(17:04):
it's 20 years out 30 number ones.
It felt like we have nothingleft to prove.
We just keep doing what we'redoing and I don't know it's 20
years out 30 number ones.
It felt like we have nothingleft to prove.
We said just keep doing whatwe're doing.
And, uh, I don't know it wasjust, you know, we're kind of a
dying breed.
I was telling kayla, like oneof the last few bands to
actually play music live, and ohyeah, go out there.
And it's kind of a lost art tosome extent.

(17:24):
You know, um, but anyway it wasit was?

Speaker 4 (17:28):
it was great and loud and extremely entertaining.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah, it was so good, uh, you were talking about
listening to what songs peoplesing the most.
I'd love to get your guysperspective, because obviously
we have, in years in which youcontrol what you hear, sometimes
they put crowd mics and youfeel the energy with the inner,
with the in ears, um you're totell it's.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
It's hard to tell, really yeah sometimes do you
ever want to take them out, andand well and experience, you
might want to, but then you'regoing to lose your mix.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
I get that yeah so, but there are certain songs that
you know like, for whateverreason, big green tractor always
seems and that was one thatthat that stood out from the
get-go and that's an older hit,but a massive hit, and they sang
every word of that as loud asthey could.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, how was it?
Try that in a small town.
That was loud, that was loudtoo.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
You can see throughout the whole show.
You can see there's a sea ofphones, of iPhones and cell
phones going up.
Everywhere the lights come.
You can see them rise becausewhere we were sitting back
behind the board, we get to seethe lights.
We get to see the lit up part ofthe phone when it comes up.
And as soon as that intro camein, it was like a sea of phones

(18:46):
went whoosh and it kind of, youknow, throughout the show.
Depending on what your favoritesong of the show is, or Jason's
is, you can kind of gauge it bythe amount of phones that come
up.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yeah, sure.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Because they want to get that moment.
And when that song came on, itwas one of those moments and
there was a few of them, ahandful of moments that happened
, but especially on Try that,that in a small town it was like
everyone was like I mean itjust lit up and every night on
this tour it's that way.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Oh my god, that song, it's hitting harder, you know,
and and he's he's not reallysaying much in front of it this
year.
He's letting the song justspeak for itself, which is a and
and.
The minute we launched intothat opening riff I I can see
what you're feeling out therethe phones go up, a different
energy comes in, and it's apositive energy, it's a.
It's different than when thatfirst came out.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
It's just like it feels even more positive than
yeah, where it used to berebellious, almost yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
And now right, right, right, something unifying
almost where it's like okay,people are even getting you know
more of the message.
I think they're understandingmore of it, yeah the song will
never die.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Who was the?
I saw on instagram somebodyposted they had you from the
back when the flyover statescame on country wire

Speaker 2 (19:59):
wasn't country wire country yeah well, yeah, I think
it was night train.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Yeah, well because you had it.
Oh, it was night train.
Yep, it was night train.
Yeah, that was a little part ofthe show.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
I think there's three songs in a row, three, three to
four in a row and, oh, did youend it with track because we
could see the set list, which iscool because rachel was there
and she took a picture of theset list, which is very cool and
one you keep up with, it seewhere we are.
But um, and she got we and shetook a picture of her, looked at
I said, oh, neil's got his ownsection, I think my daughter

(20:29):
alley, was videoing me frombehind.
I didn't know she was video.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
Yeah, I didn't know she was videoing that and when I
guess what, during night trainshe was videoing me and I was
standing next to my wife, lana,and we were standing there
leaning on the rail behind theboard and and I'm just looking
at the crowd I start looking atthe crowd like this and watching
people down here and she'svideoing the people that I'm

(20:53):
looking at and I guess CountryWire picked up her video that
she posted and then reposted it.
That's great.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah, it was so cool.
That's got to be such a cool.
I mean, we have a uniqueexperience of being able to play
songs we've written on stage,which is incredible, but it's
got to be an interesting feelingto be in the crowd to hear it.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
Oh yeah, dude, it's like and kaylo can tell you this
too.
It's like that's the, that's,that's the one time when I
realize what we do and whatwe've done, what we've been
blessed to accomplish over theyears.
That's when I I really reallyappreciate it is when you see
20,000 fans singing somethingthat you created years ago.

(21:33):
It's been a really.
It's the coolest thing ever.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
It's the biggest reward.
You know like to be a part of asong.
We're all writers and stuff andit's not, you know, getting the
check from it.
You know, or whatever.
Getting a check from a song isthe that just tells you the
song's over.
You know, whatever, getting acheck from song is the that just
tells you the song's over.
You know it's already paying out, you know so.
But just when you hear, youknow that you guys play it and
Aldine sing it in front of thatmany people and they're singing

(21:55):
it, it's like all right, it'sthe coolest thing ever.
And you know at that pointyou're still in the game, so
it's really fun you know it areally interesting tour.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
I think kurt will agree.
Every tour has its thing.
It's always different in itsown way for some reason.
This one it's like a resurgence.
In everything it's like a.
The crowds have beenoutstanding.
Like you know, we put nighttrain back in the set this year.
They go crazy over that.
They go crazy over the truth.
They go crazy over the newstuff.
They go crazy they go crazy.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Whatever y'all put, it's like that they're gonna go,
it's just something and we'vespent.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
You know the band's been together 25 years.
You know we spent most of ourlife playing on the stage
together and there's a differentfeeling.
Um, for some reason, in thisone and it's it's almost like
it's crossed over anotherthreshold, where it's like
people are just enjoying thewhole catalog of songs, even the

(22:54):
older ones it's been Do youfeel?

Speaker 3 (22:58):
that?
Oh no, without a doubt, andit's interesting.
I know we've talked about thisbefore too, but with the
demographic it was like therewas a stretch there where it was
just the fans getting olderwith us, right.
But now you're seeing the 16,17, 18 to 22-year-olds come
again.
I was like, oh wow, they'rejust discovering this stuff.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yeah, exactly, it's really neat.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
Yeah, it's really cool it was awesome and you guys
still bring it.
You guys are badasses.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Well, we only have to work for 90 minutes a day.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
It's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
How about the feel-free thing?

Speaker 4 (23:35):
You guys actually get paid for being away from home.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Oh yeah, no, you get paid for the other 22 and a half
hours.
You get paid for playing.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
You do that for free every night.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, well, and we've been really lucky that for free
every night, yeah well, andwe've been.
We've been really lucky.
The older I get, the more Ithink about this.
How lucky we've been to be ableto be a band together for all
these years and travel together,you know, and there was times
in the 90s when we were alldoing side man work with other.
So we, we know what it's likewhen it's not that way.

(24:08):
But we've been so fortunate for20, some years now, seriously 23
years like to be able to be aband and and make the albums and
travel around and not have thatfeeling where you're a sideman,
like I don't think I could everdo that, where it's like having
that connection to the musichas has meant so much to us.

(24:30):
You know it's like it's uh,it's been.
You know we're very blessed.
Yeah, for sure.
You know, get on the, even whenwe get on the bus and travel,
we're, you know, got our bestfriends.
Yeah, you know so, and we gomake music and it's and it's a
band, it's, it's, it's very,very, a very interesting

(24:52):
situation that's we're veryblessed to be in, you know and
then you get to come back andsee us, oh yeah again another
blessing great what an amazingreunion but it was though.
it was awesome though, seriouslyuntil like, I remember that
night in nashville it made mefeel so good knowing you guys
were out there, because it is afamily.
You know what I mean and it wasreally cool to know that you
guys were out there.

(25:12):
Jim didn't come, but I wasn'tinvited Really, is that?

Speaker 3 (25:19):
why you didn't come I wasn't invited.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
No, I told him.
Jim says he wasn't invited.
Well, I told him because Iassumed that Rich was getting
him tickets.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
That's a good assumption but yeah, that's an
awesome assumption.

Speaker 5 (25:31):
I I wouldn't put any stress on you guys, because I
know it's a busy show yeah, itis uh, see you guys in detroit
but um, there you go it's gonnabe better.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
Well, you'll actually get to hang with, yeah, well
not with me, but I will say, ohgo ahead

Speaker 2 (25:46):
no, no go no, because I'm I was going to change.
If you want to stay there, well.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
I will, and then maybe we'll go to break, but I
was going to talk about thePatriot Mobile people who are
sponsoring the tour as well.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah, we got to hang with them.
They were.
There's nobody in that wholearena more pumped than those
guys, nobody, they are fired.
They were hugging me, pickingme up.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
They are great.
This is badass.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
This is the most amazing thing ever.
They are incredible and they'vebeen out with us pretty much at
every show.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
They just did something really cool for us
down in Kurt.
Was it Houston?
I don't know if it was Dallasor Houston, so they have this
really great photographer.
Courtney Reed uh, they have thisreally great photographer, uh,
courtney reed, courtney, and she, uh, is a photographer for the
trumps, like she does a lot oftheir family stuff laura and
eric and, I think, don jr soshe's been out shooting the
shows and she got this reallycool picture um of four of us

(26:41):
out on the end of the stage is,you know, one of the songs and
they had all blown up picturesmade for us and they had a big
presentation and they tookpictures and they got some big
frames.
It's they are.
They're great people so awesome, yeah, and they're just so
positive they're.
I mean they're great.

(27:02):
I mean we've been really havinga good time with them out there
.
They've been great.

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I was about to say, without a doubt, and we'll go to
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Speaker 4 (27:25):
I've got mine.
I'm set up, ready to go.
I just got to text Maya.
I think it's Maya.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Maya's going to walk me through it and she's probably
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I used it last week.
The arena, what arena?
We were in Austin.
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Speaker 5 (27:40):
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Speaker 3 (29:18):
Oh yeah, you think people know who we are tk I
don't think they'll know whenyou introduce us.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
I don't think they'll still know kaylo thrash.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
I'm kurt Dew, or whatever you want to call me.
Kayla.
You had something you wanted tobring us to.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yes, so either last week or the week before we were
talking about AI a little bit,and in that short amount of time
my opinion has already changed.
Since then Pretty drasticallysince then Really.
As far as songwriting goes,yeah, Just for the way that it
it's that's being used, uh okay,so tell people what your

(29:52):
opinion was, and now what it isand why in the beginning.
You know, and I know we talkedabout it some because it is it's
new to me for sure, even thoughit's been happening for a good
while.
But, um, it was almost likeyour first offensive, you know,
you're like, you're like, oh,it's going to take over.
You know songwriting and that'snot.
You're not being a, you know, atraditionalist and all that

(30:12):
stuff, you know, but as a toolfor me and specifically for me,
the way, because, not being amelody guy, I can do a couple
melodies, but not great, that'snot my thing.
But we wrote a song just theother day, on Friday, with a
couple guys and we were startingsomething actually for Joe
Nichols.
We were writing a Joe Nicholssong just to kind of get

(30:32):
something started, pitch it tohim or whatever.
And so we spent three or fourhours and we got like half of a
song, but it was just a regularsong, just like Neil or me
playing a guitar into your voice, memos, right, and it sounds as
good as it's going to soundlike that.
Playing a guitar into yourvoice, memos, right, and it
sounds as good as it's going tosound like that.

(30:53):
And dude uploaded it as thesuno and and uh, and in three
minutes he had like it was lessthan three minutes.
You get four versions, then youlisten to those and you get
four more if you say you know,and you can reduce the amount of
hey, of the original recordingand all that and get crazy stuff
and some, a lot of it soundsterrible, you know.
They hit the vocalist, goes,but the singer was amazing.

(31:15):
So anyway, my point in that wasand I was watching throughout it
was a different publishingcompany than where I usually
write there was three guysduring our appointment that came
in that were writing somethingelse in in their room to came
come into our guy, you know, andsay hey, can you come help me
for a second.
And the last guy said heknocked on the door, said hey,
I'm really sorry.
He said can, uh, but but canyou help?

(31:36):
You know, the guitars don'tsound natural, you know, but
yours always do, and the dudewent over there and helped him.
But so I'm my.
My whole thing was is in justlearning in that moment that
whole office is using it andthey're spitting out songs a lot
quicker, meaning that probablythe entire row is using it.
What I liked it for is is thefact that you can come in, you

(32:00):
can write your whole song, andyou can.
You can leave with a demo thatsounds pretty dang good and it
mean it was.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
It breaks my heart.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
But yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
And it is definitely there's negatives to it.
The first thing I think aboutis session players and the loss
of work and demos and stuff likethat.
It's the first thing I thoughtabout because that's got to be
putting a hurtin' on them forsure, but everybody is using
that.
I mean, it is going to go, it'sgoing to get more and more and
more.
But for me I will say it's atool.
And if I just wanted to say hey, well, I'm not going to use it,

(32:34):
I'm going to be atraditionalist, I'm going to not
even use a laptop, I'm justgoing to handwrite.
You know, I think you're notusing all your tools.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
So anyway, I thought it was very helpful.
I thought it was very helpfuland it just followed what we did
.
It has its upsides and it hasits way downsides.
It does.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
I've never even thought to even try to use it,
because it doesn't even.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
maybe I'm just, and that's probably why- Well,
nobody's going to play bass likeyou play bass, though I mean
just for a day.
I was never going to play basslike you play bass, ever.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
It's not going to happen, I mean when I'm writing
lyrics or whatever too, like Inever thought to Well, we finish
a lyric, though we don't let AIwrite a lyric.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
That never happens.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
I don't mean that there's people in there doing
that though.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
No, I don't mean that .

Speaker 1 (33:20):
There's people that are doing that.
That's the stuff, and I guess Isound old and that's going to
be what it is, but thecreativity in this town was so
inspiring and to think thatthese guys have an AI sped out a
demo and people are you know, Igot one yesterday from a song

(33:41):
that I wrote five years ago inmy old publishing deal Some old
song that nobody ever caredabout or whatever and I thought
it was a really cool song.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
And all of a sudden yesterday I get a demo from AI
from one of the co-writers.
Hey man, I still love this songand because he put it through
that and it sounded amazing,they fall in love with it again.
I'm like, really Seriously, Iguess it's just a weird time.
Everybody's going back in theircatalogs and digging out old

(34:12):
songs and they're running themthrough it and they're and
they're putting a lot of peopleout of work.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
That's the part about it I don't like well it's just,
I mean, the beautiful thingabout this town like the.
I mean I just, you know,remember all the demo sessions
we did and all the engineers andall the guys mixing the demos.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
It was so much fun.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
It was just like patrick like you you know,
patrick is so good at what hedoes and just it kind of makes
me sad.
I guess it's it's the the,that's what happens there's a
change in a whole sad element toit.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
I guess it just makes me sad, I guess more than
anything you know, andabsolutely I think too, though,
like when you get, when youreally start thinking through it
, it's still going to be peoplelike, like, for example, I would
use it for expedience or topitch you guys something that
would sound a little better thanme playing it.
Right, it would still kind ofbe what I'm, what I'm playing,

(35:01):
but but, um, I don't know it was.
It was fascinating and a little, a little scary and everything.
But I do think when you get tothe end of it, like, if I'm not
a good melody guy like the AI,you're going to get the most
talented people that are doingthe work and the producers and
people like you guys, your AIdemo, whatever you fed in the

(35:24):
song you guys write, that day,it's going to be a lot better
than the one that I did, becauseI'm feeding it.
If I'm just writing the song youguys write, that day, it's
going to be a lot better thanthe one that I did, because I'm
feeding it.
If I'm just writing by myself.
What there's a reason I don'twrite by myself you know so is
because you have weaknesses, youknow so, and you and I need
other people to write hit songs,right.
So those talented people likelike you guys, whatever y'all

(35:46):
are creating that day the riffs,the melodies it's just going to
sound better.
So I can't magically become Iwould never.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
I would never trade in you're right, I would never
trade in the magic that happenswhen we go in with a new song,
especially with a curtain tullyyeah if we're going in that
little room that we have overbmg they have.
Yeah, I would never trade thatin for that.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Just because you can do something fast.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
It's not going to be as good.
No, it's not going to be asgood.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Man, it's just the evolution, I think.
And just to play devil'sadvocate, it's like people
didn't used to write with loopsand then people didn't used to
write with samples, and thatgoes on.
It's been going on for yearsand that's a form of, not
something you created, like, oh,I'm just going to pull this

(36:35):
loop, oh, I'm going to pull thissample, uh, tell everybody.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
What a sample is what you're talking?

Speaker 3 (36:40):
about.
Uh, it can be a either akeyboard patch or a guitar thing
or a loop that's online free,that you can just take and say I
need a loop at 80 b beats perminute and I can go listen to a
thousand, yeah, and use itroyalty free still, but you're

(37:01):
still it's a little bit less sothan the I'm just saying the
evolution, yeah, evolution forsure, and it is some people,
some people don't know what aloop is, or they don't know what
a you know, I know, I think Ijust miss the.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
I guess it happens when you get older and things
evolve.
You know, We've been in thisbusiness long enough.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
We've seen so many changes.
I mean, we've been doing it for30 years and we've seen so many
changes, yeah and we've seen somany changes and most of the
guys that I've worked with overthe last 30 years they just
adapt to whatever the new thingis, because everybody else is
going to do it and if you don'tif you don't utilize some of it,
I think the AI thing is goingto get old I really really do or

(37:46):
it's going to be.
the better songs are going tostand out more, because
everybody's going to be runningtheir stuff through AI.
You know it.
I know it because everybody'sdoing it now, especially these
younger guys that know how to doit real quick and they know how
to manipulate sounds and theycan do whatever.
Because I don't know how to dothat stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I don't want to spend time even learning that stuff
because it takes away time fromwhat I do.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
I think the better songs are going to come out on
top still again.
I really I hate to see sessionplayers get put out of business
because they're going to bethey're not going to be booking
studios and booking players andthey have to be already impacted
.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
They are well, that's been it.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
They have to be I mean, we used to, back in the
day when we're doing demos.
We'd do three demo sessions aday.
We're going from a 10 and youknow we'd run across town and
barely make it to.
Those are magical days.
Know, that's been hit for a fewyears.
Yeah, yeah, like you know, thedemo sessions have been.
That's already been pretty muchsquashed, but it does, you know

(38:50):
I hate not using real players.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
I hate even the thought of it.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
I know and then I went further of the rabbit hole
a little bit, just in thinkingand this is a possibility that
could happen and I guess, askingyou guys, because you are
producers also and artists andwriters and everything but when,
when labels fully buy into andyou have enough people bringing
them tracks and music and songsand and they play it and say,

(39:19):
hey, I love, love that, and theylove that, love that, and I
said, said yeah, so we did allthat in about two hours, and the
label says, really, what isthere a scenario where the
labels start thinking, all right, the listeners aren't going to
know the difference.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
It's all about saving money.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
We can sign four times the acts.
Do all the we have.
The budgets are nothing nowbecause you can just put it in
it.
You know what I mean.
So they can sign more peoplebecause music is so much more
disposable.
Do you think it's a possibilitythat the labels would get to
that point where they just signso many people and everything's
AI?

Speaker 3 (39:56):
The listener doesn't really know, so just so the
label can put out more I don'tknow, I'm probably too old to
answer it, but there are aiartists already.
I know and they're sellinghundreds of thousands, yeah
copies, so the answer wouldprobably be yes yeah, yeah I
don't know, it's trulydepressing.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Yeah, yeah, it is it really is For the real players
like you guys, For anybodycreating music, whether you're
writers or not.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
It's like you said you would never use it to write
lyrics but there's a lot ofpeople doing it.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
It's not going to affect you guys but the ones
coming up it is.
It's going to affect the realplayers, oh for sure.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
I think about it all the time are right now and I
wouldn't want to be moving here,you know because I still I mean
, I, I still love creating musicas much as I ever have ever
like it's.
I hate to feel like you don'thave to be creative to create.
You know and that and that, andthat's what really sucks.
It's like you know, grew uploving music and learning how to

(40:57):
create it and kind of masteringas best you can your craft or
what you're good at, and now youdon't have to love it, you just
have to make it and it's rightthere.
So it is a little.
It's a little, uh, a little sadthanks, kayla.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yeah, way to go well, bring us down kayla.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
No, well, on the on the opposite side of that and
again I'm just speaking formyself and I was telling Neil,
we had a little road trip toNorth Carolina this weekend.
To me, as an individual writerif you don't have a write that
day or whatever, and you havethese ideas, to me it's
inspiring that I can putsomething down and clang clang,
clang clang, clang, you know,and put it in there in a key and

(41:39):
kind of sing it in there, andthe presentation of it is going
to sound so much better, youknow, and so, and again, that's
not, I'm not selling that.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
So, you're not, you know anything like that.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
So for me it was like I can get a lot of these ideas
going and they're going tocreate stuff that sounds legit.
So to me it was kind ofinspiring.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
The other side of that would be and we should
probably move on to a differentsubject but the other side of
that would be the AI createdsomething you think sounds
awesome.
It also probably took awaysomething you would have created
on your own.
That's right.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
It could have been better yeah, maybe, except all,
and really all I'm talking aboutis feeding in just a work tape
and it's.
It's no different to me thanyou have a work tape.
You go in the studio andplayers make you sound like a
genius.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
You know, because they're playing licks I didn't
put in there but sometimes yougo into demo and they play
something that doesn't do whatyou want it to.
To the song.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
I'm just saying, it could be either yeah, anyway,
it's a thing, it's a thing.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
From this time moving forward.
It's going to be interesting tosee what happens to the music
industry where AI is concerned.
It's going to be really reallyinteresting.
Yeah, I have no idea where it'sgoing.
I think going to be reallyreally interesting.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Yeah, I have no idea where it's going.
I think we'll be watching itfrom afar.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Yeah, I don't have any Hopefully from a beach house
.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
I'm with Tully, I'm with Tully on this.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
I'm like, I'm so thankful that we got to
experience everything that wedid for the last 25 or 30 years,
the way it was done Me too, andwe were a part of that, because
it's it was really magical,looking back on it.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
It really was the excitement of like running to
studios and and doing sessionsand people running songs all
over town, dropping them off,like physically doing, like.
There was excitement there andit's it it is.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
I'm glad I wish our listeners could, could, could
grasp what it used to be likewhen people, when songpluggers,
were running our songs acrosstown and literally running into
each other on Music Row tryingto get this song to George
Strait or this song over here toTrace Atkins or whoever.
We're trying to make theserecords and we're trying to get

(43:56):
songs on these records andthey're hand-delivering these
songs and you just don't see itanymore it just doesn't happen
like that anymore and and musicrow is going north with all the
buildings and everything you can.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
It's almost unrecognizable anymore for sure
we can't end this podcastwithout talking about one of our
listeners.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Waiting for this Is it already over Wow that's Lou.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Well, yeah, we're getting close, but Jim has
brought it to our attention.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
Do you have a mic or do you need to just talk loudly?
Do you have a camera or do youneed a camera?
Just holler, I have a camera.
Can I use my camera?
Hold on.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
I thought your camera made the board go bad.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
No, Okay do your thing, use your camera Jim,
here's Jim's debut.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
It'll either be one week, or yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah, give us feedback, isn't he lovely?

Speaker 5 (44:51):
So yes, amazing DV, I have a camera but no mic.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
Why is it always?

Speaker 5 (44:59):
No, I can hear myself .
I'll just scream really loudly.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Thank you, there you go, so from.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
AmazingDV from the Wayland episode.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
Him again.

Speaker 5 (45:07):
Yes him again.
How dare you, thrash?
Excuse me of throwing anythingat anybody.
I truly was expecting you tobring up my name once Tully
brought up the subject of fansthrowing objects on stage.
The only thing I would throware words at you.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
Wow he really hates you.

Speaker 5 (45:33):
In the form of honest discussion In person if you
were to have me on the show, asI was asked back in January of
05, but I guess thrash chickenedout.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Oh, on January of 05?

Speaker 5 (45:45):
Yeah, however, it is nice to see that my honest
comments about the flow of theshow, are still living rent-free
in your hands, wow.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Yo yeah the amazing DV, the amazing.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
Coming strong In your face.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
yeah, although I'm trying to remember what happened
.
We were talking about peoplethrowing stuff on stage what did
I say?

Speaker 5 (46:08):
I don't know.
That's not it.
It keeps going oh my goshlisten, it does read more well,
read the rest yeah.
Curt and Tully.
I hope things do calm downabout the objects being thrown
on stage.
Funny how now I only see thishappening at country music shows
.
I don't see them at R&Bperformers, heavy metal or pop

(46:29):
music shows.
This is only for country music.
It must really say somethingabout the type of people who go
to these shows.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
You don't insult our fans.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
Probably Proud Boys or some other type of
ultra-conservative.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
Oh, amazing, I know it's amazing DB now.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
I'm saying it no, if DB is he like insulting country
music fans.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
I don't know if he intended to, but it does sound
like it.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Well, I will say this um it's.
It's definitely an us problemwith this, the stuff being
thrown on stage, like I'mmeaning?

Speaker 3 (47:09):
what uh meaning?
What was, what was he?

Speaker 4 (47:11):
talking about me throwing stuff at him.
What's he talking about?

Speaker 1 (47:14):
I don't what did I say, but wait, but are you
talking about the format?
It could be.
I mean, I did like we were over, like okay, we went to see
Oasis on the first night of thereunion tour.
It was amazing 80,000 peoplethere, the whole, generally just
kids having the time of theirlife.
No one threw one thing up.
I've been looking All the clipsI've seen have happened at

(47:37):
country shows and I'm not surewhy that is, and I'm sure it's
not just country shows.
I'm sure that it's happeningwhen our boys are playing
somewhere.
I'm sure someone's throwingsome stuff up on stage.
It's not just country music,but I think it's a here in the
US problem.
I think it's.
I've been looking at clips ofshows and I'm not seeing maybe

(48:00):
it's happening.
It just seems like it'shappening a lot, like in, or
maybe just seeing more of it inthe country music genre it's
happening a lot.
I just saw a clip.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Maybe Megan Maroney got something rolled at her and
we just got a text.
Yeah, so it is happening atcountry and pop.
Yeah, yeah, baby Rexha.
Country and Pop.
Yeah, yeah, baby Rexa.
Kelsey Ballerini, whatever youwant to call her.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
Ava Max Drake, billie Eilish.
I'm trying to go back to what.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
It's everybody, it's happening.
I just don't know why peoplefeel like it's okay to do it.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
That's why I don't know what's he talking about
when he directed that questionat me.
What's were talking?

Speaker 3 (48:34):
about people throwing stuff up.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
oh, it's probably amazing TV oh he was the one
doing it Like he was the onedoing it.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
I don't know that that was comedy.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
That was not deducting, that was comedy
amazing, it's a comedy.
It wasn't a literal statement,right.
I was just you know, you and Igot a thing going.
That's fantastic.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
You're right it is actually.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
Whatever, I hope I get to meet you one day, jim did
you invite him on the show I?

Speaker 5 (49:05):
reached out to him and we talked about having him
on.
Oh, to have a.
I encouraged him to do thetalk-bump, the speed bump.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Yeah, we should be encouraging everyone to do that.
Oh, yeah, for sure, we need topin that to our Instagram.
And if people wonder what it isyou go to the link, you do your
question via audio.
We play it here, people hearyour question and then we answer
.
I'd love to hear Amazing DV'svoice.
That would be great.
Actually, yes, just challenge.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Amazing DV.
Leave us a question on SpeakByte.
I think it would be great, andI love leave us a question on
speak, but I think it'd be greatyeah, and I love that he should
ask.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Ask the tough questions.
Yeah, thrash can take it.
Look at just a country shows tothis point.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think, I think I do think it's uh, for,
and for some reason I feel likethat could be crazy.
Maybe it's just feel free stuffgot me all jacked up, but I
don't know what it is.
But do you guys think it'sbecause social media has made
the fans feel like they'recloser than they actually are to

(50:06):
the artists, like they've, forsome reason, the fans feel like
it's okay to throw stuff, and Idon't know if it's because it's
called alcohol.
Well, but dude, we've,seriously, we've been on the
road for a very long time.
Occasionally there'd be a stagejumper.
A person would hop up on stageVery rarely, once a year.
People are throwing stuff and Idon't know why they feel like

(50:30):
it's okay, it's weird.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
They throw the Zen cans, they throw phones, they
throw.
They just want a selfie whenthey throw a phone.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
They don't understand what that looks like when
you're up there.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Yeah, selfie when they throw a phone.
They don't understand what thatlooks like when you're up there
.
Yeah, that, what that a cellphone can hurt if it hits.
I mean, my gut would saythey're.
They're not because they theypaid to be there, right?
So you would think that theywere fans to begin with, that
they must be getting footage ofit to put out on their insta or
whatever their social media say.
Hey, I'm the one that I threw afake baseball or a wiffle ball
at Luke Bryan.
You know, ha-ha.
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
It's weird.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
It's weird but I don't know if you, because if
you?

Speaker 1 (51:09):
I don't know.
I mean, they're going to haveto, like, end up having more.
This is why it's going to suckfor everyone else.
They're going to end up havingmore security there, who will
immediately toss them out, andmaybe people that didn't didn't
even throw something will gettossed out because they think
they're part of it.
It's got to stop, though.
You can't, you maybe that'swhat it is.

(51:29):
I know it's it used to bepanties and bras yeah soft, soft
stuff.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
That's yeah, soft item very respectful yes you
know, and now they're throwinghard items.
It's just not right.
They need to get back to thepanties and bras.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Yeah, you know, I was thinking about what Tully said.
When we saw Oasis overseas Notonly was it a great crowd, I
mean they were into itenergy-wise there were almost no
phones up.
There were no phones.
Bizarrelyly, nobody was doingphones.
They were watching, they weretaking it awesome.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
They were taking it, and that's my question like are
we so unbelievable.
Are we so like?

Speaker 5 (52:09):
yes, I think we are.
I think we are.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
We're so into the phones and they're missing the
actual moment.
But and these, this was a youngcrowd like oasis, like it was
amazing, the whole front of thestage.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
They were raucous, they were having a great time.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
But really everybody's having a great time.
Not a single phone, they'rejust taking it in.
Yeah, it was cool.
Yeah, it was really cool.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
I felt like an idiot filming.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
I know we were filming.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
You were the only follow-up americans.
But I would love to ask someonewho's throwing stuff on stage
what you're trying to accomplish, because it just makes us
pissed like and it's it's gonnahave a negative effect on the
live experience at some point.
Um, you know, because someone Imean when you're up there and
you get something thrown at yourface like it's not a good

(53:02):
feeling, and you're trying toperform and you're out there and
for the most part you know ithasn't happened.
I feel like it's happened to usvery rare happened in Canada
with the phone.
I feel like for the most part,people have been awesome at our
shows, like once it happened.
But I'm seeing on, seeing it onInstagram quite a bit and maybe

(53:22):
we're just seeing it allbecause everybody's posting it.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
I mean it's all directed at you.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah, and maybe a listener can help us if they've
been to a concert and seensomebody do that, or maybe
they've done that they couldgive us a comment or something
and tell us why they're.
I gotta tell phil led to do it.
I gotta tell amazing bv I Ididn't.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
I wasn't meaning you were lit, you were the one
literally throwing stuff atanybody.
It was a joke.
It's comedy.
Maybe.
Maybe conservative people getcomedy better than liberal
people.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Nobody said he's a conservative liberals aren't
very funny.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
That's what he said.
He's a conservative.
Yeah, nobody said he's aconservative.
Liberals aren't very funny.
He did, that's what he said.
He did say he's a conservative.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
He's a conservative.
Yes, yeah, that's what he said.
Well, why does he hate me then?

Speaker 1 (54:06):
I don't know, because you're a proud boy.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
I'm proud.
Hell yeah, I'm proud.
What is that?
By the way, I'm proud.
Heck yeah, I'm a proud boy.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Where are the proud boys?
What do they do?

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Somebody got the answer to that.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Not an intelligent one.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
No it has something to do with some white
supremacist thing.
I think it's a racist thing,it's like I have no earthly idea
.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
And racism.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
I don't have anything .
I don't know anything aboutwhat that is, the proud boys or
whatever, but I will say that Iam a boy and I'm proud to be a
boy.
I'm just.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
You know you can't lump me in with with any kind of
racist, anything agreedspeaking of being a boy so what,
we were on this trip to northcarolina, neil and I, this last
weekend to go raise some moneyfor some kids you guys camp out
and uh mountain stuff.
No, we actually uh stayed athampton it was very nice hampton

(55:02):
inn um, very nice, the coffeewasn't great, but uh, outside of
that.
But you know, you know, on afive and a half hour drive you
cover a lot of topics andsomehow we got on overalls.
You remember the overalls, yousaid you, you were intrigued by
it oh no, that was that.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Yeah, I was.
I don't know what we weretalking about, but I'm.
We were talking about farmers.
We were talking about actualsubject matter that related to
our song try that in a smalltown and for whatever reason.
We were talking about farmersand farming, yeah, and then I
got to thinking I think we weretalking about.
I asked you why did all thefarmers back in the 70s and the

(55:42):
60s wear overalls?
What was the kick with theoverall with farmers?
Did you look it up?

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Yeah, they feel very freeing, easy to put on.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
I don't know, did you ever own overalls?

Speaker 2 (55:56):
No, I never wore them .

Speaker 4 (55:57):
Really no, I mean, I have I had a pair.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Yeah, I never wore them Really.
No, I have.
I had a pair.
Yeah, I did as a kid too.
If anybody can tell us why?

Speaker 4 (56:05):
farmers wore overalls .

Speaker 3 (56:07):
It's like a one-piece .

Speaker 4 (56:09):
It's a jumpsuit.
Basically it's a redneckjumpsuit, it is kind of a
redneck jumpsuit.
That's all it is, that'samazing it's just a redneck jump
seat and it's almost like themakers of them put that zipper
pocket right here for theMarlboro Reds.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Or the.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Levi.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Garrett or something and a pencil.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
And a pen.
Maybe you shouldn't, but I'mgoing.
Was it a fashion thing?

Speaker 2 (56:33):
back, then here I got to put on my old man clothes.
One of your comments was youthought it might be for venting
no, it's been a ventilation.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Fantastic for with the overalls definitely.
I mean there's just underwearyou don't have to wear.
Not a lot of sweat going on,there's a little bit of that.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Farmers wore overalls primarily for their durability,
protection and practicality andthe demanding conditions of
farm work protection the loosefit and sturdy fabric provided
comfort and freedom of movementwhile also shielding them from
dirt, scrapes and the elements.
Also offered ample pocket spacefor tools and other essentials.

(57:10):
Increasing during ourincreasing efficiency during
okay, I buy that.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
To me it was more than.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
We should do the next podcast with overalls.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
I think it was a fashion fad.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
I know why I think we should.
I know why it just came to me.
It's so obvious.
Well, I just solved it.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Well, let's hear it.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
It's very clear to me .
I know why.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
Why.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Because they don't fall down.
There's no belt, hold on.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Maybe you should start wearing overalls on stage
Courage gave my wife anincredible idea.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
That's why, though, Absolutely, because you know
when you get to work and it'shot out there, I've heard it's
hot when you work.
Yeah, your pants can fall down,as you know, during the battle
of a show, but that's whythere's got to be something to
that.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
But you know what blows my mind.
I know that's what it is.
Here's what blows my mind, Iknow that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Here's what blows my mind.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
I did it, I'm going okay, there were a lot of kids
born back then, when the overallfad was going on.
There's a lot of kids, a lot ofkids, okay, okay.
What is sexy about daddywalking in at the end of the day
in a pair of overalls?
Well, maybe.
Unless he just drops them allat once.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
He could shower you know, he doesn't wear them to
bed, but also overalls.
He just goes poof and there heis.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
That's kind of like is that what it is?
Because?

Speaker 3 (58:37):
that's not sexy.
Overalls are not sexy at all.
I'm going to blow your mindlike Tully.
Here's my theory.
You're saying there was morereproduction then.
Maybe the loose fit kept yoursperm more active.
Now all the tight skinny jeans,you just said sperm.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
My sperm has always been active.
You said sperm on the podcast.
I saw it.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
My God, that's what's happening All those tight
skinny jeans.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Yes that theory may hold up Can you see the old
farmers out there in skinnyjeans.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Now in the description of this podcast it's
going to read and it's going tosay sperm.
I think Kurt's on to something.
I think the ventilation.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
Yep, yep, I think.
The ventilation, the freeswinging everything.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Will you come do the next podcast?
In overalls, I will.
I will.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
I think it's because they don't fall down.
They don't have to wear a beltAt the end of a long hot day.
The pants aren't stretched out.
The overalls are buttoned here.
They're not going anywhere.
That's what it is.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Maybe, but if that's true, I wonder why the plumbers
didn't catch on to it.
That's why you're K-Lo.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
That's why you're K-Lo.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
That's why you're K-Lo, you know what.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (59:45):
You blew my whole thing out of the water.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
But plumbers are working inside most of the time.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Yeah, I know, but they would hide all the cracks
if they wore the overalls.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
I'm wearing overalls next next episode please do,
I'll do it, I'm doing it and I'mputting my leg on the table oh
my gosh for ventilation.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
I'm doing it it's been a lot of fun.
I wonder how many overalls theycould sell if sydney sweeney
was doing the overall thing too.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
That might be another thing what a sad what that
really shows the craziness ofpeople.
You had a beautiful girl and anice ad.
Why do we have to ruineverything?
Who doesn't like denim?

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Seriously, come on, I don't even know what the hell
y'all are talking about Really?

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
No, I do not.
No, I don't.
I have a life.
This is kind of old news.
What are you talking?

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
about, but it's kind of old news I don't know what
are you talking?
About, but it's, it's americaneagle right yeah they're,
they're blue jeans.
So sydney sweeney did a bluesydney sweeney she's a very
beautiful actress actress, model, you know okay um, anyway she
did a what I would consider atasteful jean commercial and

(01:00:59):
anyway got a lot of flack fromit, because I think the tagline
or somewhere in the commercialsaid Sydney has good jeans,
right, but everybody took itjeans because she's white and
not blue jeans.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
Oh, they turned it race.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Okay, very quick, they made a race thing out of it
immediately.
Insanity yeah, freakinginsanity.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
And racism.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
And then, just like you, you know, try that in small
town because people hated it onone side.
Uh, they've.
I did not see.
The company has never receivedmore.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
I haven't watched the news guys I haven't watched the
news in months, I decided Iwent.
I went on a new strike.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
I actually have been doing a little bit of that too.
Yeah, I do glance at X, so Iguess that's the news.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
I've been the opposite.
I've been inundated with news,really.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Really.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Yeah.
I don't know why, really, Ihaven't watched Neil that's part
of it there, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Very tasteful.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
That's the ad.
Nothing wrong with it.
It looks like overalls almost,yep.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
I mean it's insane.
I mean it's insane.
You think we get Sydney Sweeneyhome?
Yes, okay, maybe, jim, she candefend herself.
She is in Florida and she's aregistered Republican.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
Yep, let's get her on and she can defend herself.
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
And what Yep, yep, oh , yeah, on and uh, she can
defend herself.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Yeah, okay, and what, yep, yep oh yeah yeah, oh yeah,
that's a good that's a goodidea.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
We have, we've talked about rory that's a great idea
that's a great one and he canhelp us.

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
We can do a follow-up I'll ask him about the
ventilation great idea yeah webounced around a lot but it was
fun leave a comment.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
What's your favorite?

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
we went from and racism in the nfl to you guys
just be careful on the road outthere.
Y'all have how much tour left?
About half left yeah, we got.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
We got a couple months.
When we're gonna, you guys aregonna come out again when are we
gonna get al dean back on?

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
you know what?

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
maybe very soon, a couple weeks from now, very soon
, very soon.
He hasn't been home actually.
So we were on tour West Coast.
We came home for three days.
He stayed out to do a photoshoot for the new album.
So he hasn't been home really,and I think he's stayed out with
Brittany to go see her familythis week.

(01:03:14):
I mean, he hasn't been home formore than two days.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
He hasn't been home in two months, two days, and
this will be, this will be arelease for him.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Get him here yep, he'll be on.
Well, it's college footballtime too.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
So yeah, we have to pick that back up britney will
be on soon, we'll have toseparate them.
We want separate episodes, sogood, amazing dv.
We gotta get him on and pleasemore questions for neil amazing
dv all my, all my answers aregoing to be the same uh, but
also hey if you're leaving uh,comments on youtube, which you

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, but do go to the speak pipeand we're going to pin it on our
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Leave us an audio message aswell, because that'll be fun
that'd be great, and that wouldbe great.
And let us know if you wearoveralls.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
We have big guests coming up.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Big guests.

Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
Big guests, a lot of big things, no.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Watch out.
Hopefully some big news soon.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Yes, it's happening, it's happening, I'm telling you
it's happening.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
No, it is happening for sure.
Let's see.
Do we need to talk aboutpatriot mobile?
We talked about e-spaces.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
It's been incredible, incredible, love the studio
original glory.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
I did try those uh beer most that's pretty good,
pretty good right, yeah yeah,pretty good, you guys need to
check that out.
Absolutely, uh, and we'regetting.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
Hey, we're getting ready to get some merch up.
We're getting ready to launch anew merch line.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
What are we going to get?
Hats, hey leave us a commentwhat you want the most.
Hats seem like a great oh yeah,hats, hats, mugs and shirts.
Hats and shirts.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Shirts.
Absolutely Overall, it's maybein the yeah hoodies, maybe too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Now We've got fall coming, it's a good idea.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
All right, that's coming.
We appreciate you guys for TKK-Lo Thrash.
I'm Curt.
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