The Women of Country Music, A Titans Father's Day and GOAT QBs

The stark reality of women's declining presence on country radio sparks a passionate debate among Nashville veterans in this candid conversation about the state of modern country music. When confronted with the statistic that female artists now make up only 8.39% of country radio play—down from 29% in 2000—the hosts don't hold back their theories on why this dramatic shift has occurred.

Amid criticisms that today's female artists "all sound the same," the group highlights an emerging artist named Mary Kutter who's breaking the mold with her authentic Kentucky backwoods sound and polarizing approach. Her willingness to tackle controversial subjects has drawn comparisons to how Alanis Morissette disrupted 90s music, offering a refreshing counterpoint to an industry that often rewards safe, formulaic music from female performers.

The discussion takes an unexpected turn when the hosts identify a major opportunity in country music—the duo category. With Florida Georgia Line's breakup leaving a vacuum and Brooks & Dunn still commanding attention decades into their career, they make a compelling case for why aspiring male artists might find greater success by pairing up rather than competing as solo acts in an oversaturated market.

Perhaps most revealing is the conversation about changing power dynamics in Nashville, where even songwriters with double-digit number one hits describe having to jump through new hoops just to get in a writing room with today's artists. This shifting landscape points to deeper concerns about respect for craft and experience in an industry increasingly driven by streaming numbers and social media presence rather than artistic legacy.

Between moments of nostalgia for 90s country's distinctive female vocalists and candid observations about political divisions splitting up successful acts, this episode offers an unfiltered look at country music's present challenges and future possibilities from those who've lived through its many evolutions. Tune in for genuine insider perspectives you won't hear on mainstream country radio.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
But the Titans posted this Happy Father's Day to all
the Titan moms and fatherlyfigures.
What does that even mean?

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Oh what is that.
Confused.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
I assume they mean that there might be women that
are the father of their, as ifyou have two women.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Or they could be talking about step-dads, have
they not?

Speaker 3 (00:22):
learned yet All of them.
What the hell are they doingwith their?
They've got to sell tickets tofootball games.
Only 8.39% of artists oncountry radio are women today.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
What was the percentage?
And it was 8.39%.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
It's down from 29% in 2000.
So in 25 years it has totallydeclined.
As far as female artists on theradio, Okay, so why is that?
Maybe we need to recruit bettersingers.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
These artists today, these young artists.
I'm going to harp on it again,not repeating myself there's a
false sense of stardom fromstreaming Just because you have
a song.
Wouldn't you rather have 20songs that go top 10 than one?
Like really think about it,like if you know, sometimes you
know being a duo and havesuccess, tour, write songs?

Speaker 5 (01:23):
The Try that in a Small Town podcast begins now.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Welcome back to the Try that in a Small Town podcast
.
We're coming to you from thePatriot Mobile Studios.
There's a really interestingenergy at the table tonight.
It's been a weird day.
It's been a very weird day.
We're going to continue tabletonight.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
It's been a weird day it's gonna been a very weird
day.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
We're gonna continue it.
It's been a weird.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
It's been a weird few years no, it's been a weird
couple couple weeks yeah itactually really has we can maybe
get into that a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
That was thrash, we got kaylo, we got t Fondue.
People say fondue but, the onlytime we use it is as an
introduction.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Do you ever call me?

Speaker 1 (02:09):
fondue no.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
I don't.
I call you Kurt.
We'll see what happens.
It's new, though It'll work itsway in.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
We'll see what happens with it.
Neil, I don't even know what todo.
I was going to ask you aboutyour golf match, but you're
cradling a football.
What's what's on your?

Speaker 3 (02:24):
mind.
No, no, I I played a matchtoday and and I got beat on the
18th hole I had.
I actually had a four-footerleft to right.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
I misread it so was it actually left to right?
Yeah, is that how you?

Speaker 3 (02:36):
misread.
No, it's left to right.
It was, but it was a littleoutside the hole.
I put it.
I putted it right at the leftedge and it wasn't enough.
My speed was good, my strokewas good, everything was perfect
and it lipped out and I couldhave extended the whole match if
I'd have made that putt.
But I did not make it and I waseliminated today and losing
sucked but you made it to 18.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
That's what we're talking about earlier, like it's
all perspective.
That's what, kaylo.
You made it to 18.
You didn't get beat on everyhole.
It's match play, I told kayalo.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
When he got here he's like how'd you do?
And I said I lost on 18.
I missed a four-foot.
He goes.
That's good.
You made it to 18.
There's nothing good aboutlosing Nothing.
You're not, ricky.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Bobby, so would you rather us go?
Dude, you missed a four-footer.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
I expect more out of him when it comes to that.
But there's guys in the open.
We just watched that would misstwo-footers.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Is their name Neal Now granted.
Granted, their conditions mighthave been a little harder and
the greens might have been atouch faster, but they still

(03:41):
missed it and I bet the peopledidn't tell him on the way up.
I can't believe you freakingmissed that.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Rory missed the putt.
Well, I guarantee you, theydidn't say at least you made it
this far.
They didn't say that either.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
I bet the wives did the wives said it Because
they're supportive and they care.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
They got scolded for it too.
They don't want to hear that.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (04:02):
I'm going to.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
I should have If you ain't first, you're last.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
That's what I teach my kids, that's right.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Says Ricky Bobby and so I hold a football, you know,
for comfort, for comfort, andI'm looking forward to it.
I may hold a football fromevery episode from here until
football season starts.
I'm with you.
I may hold on to this football.
Just come on, baby.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Do you typically hold it in your left hand?
No, I don't.
I get good control.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Either one, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
You know, speaking of football, we won't give it away
, but we might have someonecoming up very soon that you can
talk some good football with.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Can you?

Speaker 1 (04:39):
drop any names.
Maybe Maybe not Tune in nextweek what?
Maybe Maybe not Tune in nextweek, what?

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Maybe, maybe not.
We'll see Somebody famous infootball.

Speaker 6 (04:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
And it's American football.
It's not that soccer bullshit.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, I don't count the other football, the original
OG football.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Okay, well, we'll leave them hanging.
Leave our listeners hangingthere you go.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
It's been a weird day , it's been a couple weird weeks
.
It's been a very weird day,yeah what was so weird about it.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
So many things.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Just today.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Just today was a weird day.
I don't even know where tobegin.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
I don't even know where to begin, it's been a
couple weird weeks for Neil.
His daughter just got marriedfor one.
That's a lot.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, it was good, that was a good thing.
Yeah, absolutely a good thing.
Yeah, and you guys came, we did, we looked good, didn't we?
You looked good.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
You guys dressed up, clean up, nice.
One of us in the room didn'tfollow Ali's specific
instructions.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yes, you don't see him at the table.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
No, you hear him laughing in the background.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yep, that's him, jim.
Our producer apparently didn'tread the all black.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Or you don't fear Ali , like we do.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
True fear.
Maybe he's not knower enough.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
What color suit?
I didn't even notice because Iwas in a fog he wore.
Is it a powder blue, was it?

Speaker 2 (06:09):
he wore a gray suit, gray jacket it looked nice
though and it was.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
It did look nice the invitation was specific, right,
it was very specific it wasblack, so specific.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I went out shopping for it.
Because I fear Allie likeanybody should yeah, no.
Oh, because I fear Allie likeanybody should, yeah, no.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
Oh no.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
She talked to me about it.
Is that Jim?
In?

Speaker 4 (06:32):
a gray jacket.
I think it said Tuck's optionalblack tie required.
Yes, right, it did, which ispretty firm.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, and we excused Tully from the tie part.
Yeah, you still look good.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Black is fine, nobody said a word.
Black tie just means kind ofblack suit, she told me, though
I didn't have to wear a tie.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
And Jim, nobody said anything about your suit.
You look fantastic.
You look great, ali mentionedit, though.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
You look great.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
No one but Ali mentioned it.
Yeah, just the bride, just thebride, it's cool upsetting her
on her first marriage.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
I know I got both.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
I mean I got both my girls married off now, so
they're both off the payroll nowand but it just I don't feel
any lighter you don't feel any?

Speaker 1 (07:15):
no, I don't.
You're never off.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
I took bet, I took bets because ali's my oldest and
I took bets that she wouldprobably come back from Jamaica
pregnant.
Oh wow, and I bet I win.
I bet she is.
I bet Because she's like shewants the kids and I wouldn't if
they're just free-for-all inJamaica.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
There's nothing.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
It's probably not the visual you want.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Well, I'm just saying , hey, she's married, now Do it,
let's go.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
If you're going to have kids, let's go.
If Do it, let's go.
If you're going to have kids,let's go.
If you're going to do it, I'mready to be a grandpa.
So just go from married topregnant in your book.
She's fun, that's great, that'show I did it.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
That's what she wants to do Somewhere in that order.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
I did something similar to that Well then at
least you don't go through thedog phase hey, let's get a Malt,
and then they get two, and thenthey don't have kids, they
don't have time and they'retheir kids, and then all of a
sudden that wears off and thenthey have babies.
They just go right to thebabies and don't get the indoor
pets.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Well, they've already got the dogs Absolutely filthy.
They've already got the dogs.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Oh, I didn't mean that, Allie.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
I think the dogs are the ones, Neil.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
what do you got?
I heard him yapping aboutsomething.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
A few minutes ago, before we start there, I read
something here that says only8.39% of artists on country
radio are women today.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
What was the percentage?
And it was 8.39% Wow that'svery impressive.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
It's down from 29% in 2000.
So in 25 years it has totallydeclined.
As far as female artists on theradio, Okay, so why is that?
Maybe we need to recruit bettersingers.
Maybe they need to sing bettersongs.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
Or maybe we don't know of all of them that are
actually in Nashville and theyjust don't have deals yet.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
No, I think all these girls that they've got pictures
of.
Is this a radio?

Speaker 1 (09:08):
or like being streamed.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
It says country radio Artists on country radio are
women 8.39%, and there's a huge.
There's a montage of faces onthis thing and it's not coming
from me.
I'm just reading what I readand it doesn't look good for
women, unless they startstepping up their game a little
bit and they can blame whoeverthey want to.

(09:32):
It could be the music it couldbe the, and I think 99 of them
sound exactly the same sothere's a lot of that and I'm
not saying they're bad singers,I'm just saying they all sound
alike.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
You mean the ones successfully right now on the
radio all sound the same.
They're only like five.
There's a lot of them, I meannow, that are doing well there
ain't five.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Every one of these pictures of these girls right
here.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
I've heard their names and they've all had hits
like roll some, roll some out.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Oh, you got megan maroney, you got that girl right
there and that girl right there.

Speaker 6 (10:05):
Ella Langley to me, ella Ben-Mellis.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
She's over here.
She's not.
She shouldn't even be in this.
She's a world apart.
I think in my book.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
You're saying she's unique and awesome.
Absolutely yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, Lainey Wilson is over here in the same
category.
She's her own.
I agree, there's a couple ofothers, but for the most part
the ones and I don't know thenames of them, but I've seen
their faces before.
They all sound exactly the sameto me and I'm not dissing them
for anything.
They all can sing, they all cancarry a tune, they're great and
whatever.
But I mean, I think thelistener may be just a little

(10:38):
bit bored and they're notresearching like they should.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Well, it's interesting because, uh, what
was the previous day?
2000 something?
Uh, what was that?
Was it trisha yearwood?

Speaker 4 (10:52):
was it, uh?
Martina mcbride.
There were a lot of, there werea lot of favorite you could
tell them, though, when theycame on the radio.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
You knew who it was.
I knew it was trisha.
I knew martina.
I knew reba.
I knew faith hill, I knew theyHill.
They all had their own brandand their own sound.
Today, to me, in the femalecategory, it's just a sleeve of
crackers.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Oh, that is a t-shirt you mean they're all from
Georgia To me

Speaker 3 (11:17):
you're just a sleeve of crackers.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm sorry.
With a little bit of cheesethrown in To your point you're
right, which is why me and kurtare working with this new female
artist, which we haven't workedwith a female artist in a long
time that we actually thoughthad a shot.
So check out mary cutter wewere.
You know she's done really wellon social media and she's got a

(11:43):
really unique thing she writes.
You know she's from likekentucky backwoods and writes
these really aggressive songs.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
She is not trying to be anything of what you heard as
a matter of fact it is likeshock value, like yeah, the only
way, like that's awesome yeah,and the only way I could liken.
It is when alanis morissettecame out, yeah, and you heard
you out of nowhere and you werelike what the is that?

Speaker 3 (12:11):
you either loved it or you hated yeah, and they're.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
They're gonna be people who do not like mary
cutter uh, what is she?

Speaker 3 (12:18):
is she traditional?

Speaker 2 (12:19):
no, no, she is backwoods country she is so
kentucky, so authentic she.
She's been here a few yearsdoing it all on her own Like
really impressive work ethic.
And we got reached out by ourmanager to produce a couple
things and man like John Rich isa big fan, it's because she's

(12:41):
so different, but the music is.
It's because she's so different, um, but the music is.
It's aggressive and she'swriting about things that are, I
mean, about as true as you getyeah, whether it's big pharma or
she just takes everything on,it is where she grew up and it
is we.
We tracked and it's heavy, it'scool, but it's so different and

(13:02):
that's you know.
You brought up a great pointand I blame the industry from
for this as much as anybody.
But, like, the females aren'tallowed to be polarizing and we
all know from the success, likewithout being and everybody.
You don't want to live in thegray area, you know you want.

(13:23):
You want people to love you orhate you or figure it out right.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Where's that trial?
That's in a small town.
Female that's Mary Cutter Good.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
And I'm telling you, it is.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Your new job.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Got to give me time.
I just started.
You know what's funny.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
She's got all these organically grown social media
numbers, like you know over200,000 on Instagram that she
did all herself real numbers.
She streams and it's like she'sso different.
And what I love the most iswhen labels say oh, you need
something different, we needsomething different, and you
bring them something differentand they get scared and she's

(14:01):
going to land in the right spotand she's going to hit because
no one is doing it.
Yeah, and she's going to landin the right spot and she's
going to hit because no one isdoing it.
Yeah, and she's going to scaresome people and that is
beautiful.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Is this an invitation to find her the right song?

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Oh, dude To write her the right song that's going to
get in the room with her,because you need to see what she
is.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
I'm ready for a female to make some noise.
I'm ready for it.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
If we're going to have a female.
I'll tell you this the firstfemale I've seen in a really
long time that I can envisioningactually opening up for us or
someone like us on the road ateight o'clock that people are
going to give a shit about andand have a show where it's like
she's she's wild, she's like,and have a show where it's like
she's wild, she's like, it'slike.
Alanis Kurt nailed it.

(14:45):
It's like 1995, that's her nowfor country music.
I'm real excited about it.
People are going to love it orthey're going to hate it, but
that's what we're trying to do.
I mean doing the regular stuffthat's going to land in the
middle.
That's the problem with our.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
we have a lot of great female artists.
Yeah, the ones that are out aredoing really well.
They're great, the ones thatare out.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
I'm not just saying, I'm just saying, but what I was
going to say was they aren'tallowed, you know, to be
polarizing.
It's as much as the industry'sfault as anybody, way too safe.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
I think it's D all of the above.
You're right, because thelabels do say we need something
different.
Then they're like hold on weneed something for radio.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Too different.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
That's too different.
But I do think a lot of femaleartists can fall into a trap of
trying to please people andsaying, yeah, you're right.
I want to do something for theradio as opposed to saying no,
this is me, this is the groundI'm standing on.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
You either like it or you don't, I'm a cutter, I want
to be a cutter.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
I wonder, is there?
I don't know.
I don't know if anybody has thenumbers on this, but as far as
you know, guys in town chasingdeals and girls in town chasing
deals is it equal, or do theguys dominate anyway?
And if so, mathematically theywould win.
You know what I meanautomatically interesting, they
would win.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Just, it's a good point.
I don't know, I don't know, Idon't know.
I'd love to know that number.
I would love to know thepercentages of of guys and gals
that are out there.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yeah, trying to do it , even on social, because you
already know how hard it is, asa guy, to get on radio and if
you did the, the math and andyou're with your parents and
everything they said, well, hon,only eight% of females actually
succeed on radio.
That's such a low number asopposed to you know, if your guy
said well, 90, 92% succeed.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
If you start ABing females to males in country
music and if you were to ABtheir voices you played this
female and you played this malethey're going to be able to tell
you who the male is right offthe bat on a huge percentage of
them, as opposed to the femaleside they've got.
I don't know who that is.
I think we've done.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
I think we've done a good job as an industry of
completely watering down themale market.
It's right now.
There's some guys that are goodand there's some new guys that
are like I'm the same way, likewho is that I?

Speaker 3 (16:59):
know another guy with a baseball on both sides,
another Guilty on both sides,another Dylan, another.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Brett another whatever.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Who's that dude?
That sounds exactly Seriously,we got 50 Dylans Bretts we got.
I know who's the guy thatsounds like Morgan Wallen.
What's his name?
Tucker Wetmore.
He sounds exactly like Morganto me.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Exactly, I have an issue with that.
I'm happy for him.
Yeah, he's good.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
I don't know him.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
I don't know how you.
It sounds just like Morgan itdoes To me it's hard to tell
them apart.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
It's not a bad idea.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
I mean really.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
Morgan's huge and if you're another label we say we
want one of those.
He won't be Morgan, but if he'sanywhere close they make
millions of dollars.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
That happened in the 90s too, but at least they all
sounded a little different.
I mean, tracy Bird and TracyLawrence didn't sound exactly
the same and needed a ClintBlack.
He didn't sound like Garth, butTucker Whitmore sounds exactly
like him.
It is Well.
You know what, though I meanyou think about this.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
This happened 10 years ago.
Was it 10?
Maybe not even 10.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Dan and.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Shay came out and everybody said it sounds just
like Rascal Flatts.
It sounds just like RascalFlatts, but they had a pretty
good career.
They certainly did, andactually those guys are great.
You know, I'm going to comeback to this.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
Did you say, they had a pretty good career.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
No, I said they're having a pretty good career.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
I'm like I think they're doing pretty dang good.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
I have a mission at this table for the four of us.
What We'll produce it and we'llwrite it.
I'm telling you right now maleduo I'm looking for a duo
quality Brooks and Dunn typesongs.
It is right there.
The duo category in this marketis sitting right there.
But none of the duos want to becountry.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
I've got a duo.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
They want to be pop.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
You is sitting right there, but none of the duos want
to be, country I've got a duo.
They want to be pop.
You do TK low, tk low, tk low,tk low, tk low.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
TK low, tk low or TK low TK low.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
I don't know how many years we can make it on the
road, though Speak for yourself.
I mean, I'm saying but, you'reright, I'm serious.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
The duo category is open.
I'm with you on that.
To all the duos out therecustom good songs.
Do yourselves a favor.
It's right there.
Brooks and Dunn has been out ahundred years and they're back
at the award shows Preach, tully, preach.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
They're touring.
I mean, I'm serious though,preach.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
It's right there for one second.
Think about do you want to be astruggling male artist playing
10 fairs a year, or do you wantto be a duo, get a couple hits,
award shows, opening acts?
It's right there.
It's right there.
Danny Shea is great.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
But yeah, florida Georgia Line broke up, so it's
right there, it's right there.
I tell you what those guys hadit, oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
FGL.
They were.
I tell you what, when they wereopening for us in the middle
slot, maybe their second yearout, maybe crews had already
been big.
They were on their third,fourth big hit.
Had they stayed the course andkept putting out good songs,
they would have been that brooksand dunn type dominating figure

(20:02):
every year.
The award shows, all the tvstuff, but man, they just can't
hold together.
So the it's, it's sitting rightthere for a duo.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
What split them up?
Let's go.
Let's go there for a secondlet's go there for a second,
okay you know what did splitthem up?
Well, everybody split a lot ofpeople up.
I know it does, it did yeah,well, I you know it's political
views, of course.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
It splits families up .
It really does, which isunbelievable, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
It's not going to split us up.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
No, it just makes us stronger.
I guess Not until you kick usout.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Caleb can be a little liberal thinking sometimes I
love you throwing the duo thingout there, though.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
I love you throwing that out there because I think
it's wide open.
I totally agree 100% with youon that.
I've been looking for it.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
We've got a couple that we're looking at and doing.
But it's like, man, if you getthem to buy into the big picture
, all the male acts, what is itabout being a solo male act
struggling to fight through allthe other new male acts?
That's exciting.
That would I'd be like if I wasa great singer or great guitar

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player.
I'd be like give me a duo,let's go, let's have success.
It's this market, this industryloves duos.
They love it If you get theright one.
Dan and Shay could be bigger,not the right one.
Dan and Shay could be bigger,not the right songs.
You know, if you're in thecountry market, do some country
songs.
If you want to be pop, go pop.
But now you're in the gray area.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
I want to clear something just because I just
met those guys.
They're sweet and they'reamazing, but have I missed
something?
Don't they having hit after hitafter hit they're huge.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
How are they not doing well?
No, they're doing well.
They're doing well, but itdoesn't sound like they're doing
well.
They're huge.
No, it could be bigger.
Though the NHK could be bigger.
Anybody could be bigger.
No, no, I'm serious.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
They're huge, but when they put the keel out, that
was a big, huge, massive,really good song, massive.
Haven't had that kind of thing.
Since, though, I I'm notsomebody to ask first of all.
We know those guys, we lovethem, yeah I don't listen to
country radio, so I couldn'teven tell you what their last
song was.
Well, yeah, anybody here?
No, yeah, but I don't listen tothe radio.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Well, I don't listen to the last thing I remember the
justin bieber thing, but you'reanswering.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
I mean, you're kind of answering my question for me,
though.
You knew tequila and I, and totheir credit, they came out and
put a really good song out acouple of years ago and I can't
remember the name of it, I'msorry, it was a real country
sounding thing and I was likethey're doing it.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
This is great poppier sounding and I tell you what
they're good dude, those guysare talented, yeah, yeah like
dude can sing the phone book andit's.
I played golf with shea acouple of times and I.
There may be a little bit of apolitical divide between those
two as well yeah, I'm not gonnabreak that news, but I don't
know that for sure.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
I don't know breaking news.
But there.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
there could be a little bit of a political divide
between those two, but I'm notsure about that.
We haven't heard anything fromthem in a while, hey look, I
like how we're poking the bear.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Let's poke it, man, give me this microphone man.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
I'm doing it, I love it.
We've got Brothers Osborne.
What about them?
Oh, in the duo category, in theduo category and super talented
, I actually like those guys.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
You know that dude's a great guitar player yeah, he's
super good guitar player.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yeah, that's great.
They're great.
I mean it's a tough, but I'mnot sure if they're last song.
He oh yes it's.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
They put out good stuff, but it's a hey, the duo
category is there for the take.
It's there.
That's the whole moral of thisconversation.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
It's there for the taking begging for it.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Tk Lowe, that's my yeah, yeah, tully and Kurt are
going to be producing like fivenew duo acts in the next year
hey, on an off year you could atleast get nominated for duo of
the year but that's the wholepoint that's his point we did
when I was in the duo back inthe day, the Bellamy brothers
are still getting nominated.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
The Worm brothers are still getting nominated.
I've got shirts.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
I've got t-shirts from the mid-90s, when I was
with Kelly Shiver, yeah, and wewere in the duo category.
We got nominated every year,yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
We knew we weren't going to win, but we were all
that was there.
Say these young artists.
I'm gonna harp on it again,like repeating myself there's a
false sense of stardom fromstreaming, like just because you
have a song, don't you?
Wouldn't you rather have 20songs that go, you know, top 10
than one?
Like, really think about it,like, if you know, sometimes you
know it's being a duo and havesuccess tour, write songs, write
songs make records I want to goback to Mary Cutter.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
One part of it, but on that.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Very excited about Mary Cutter.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
But on that, like I wonder if you I mean if you're a
solo act and you're out therehitting it you do believe that
you're going to make it.
And if you get into a duo,generally you got to be thinking
they're thinking, okay, who'sgoing to be Ronnie Dunn, who's
going to be Kix, like if it'sRonnie he said oh, I can't wait
to hear it, and they said oh,dang it.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
this is a Kix song, Whoever the singer is, but you
know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
But it doesn't matter , Like if they both think they
are that person, but one ofthem's not.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
There's a very established template you got a.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
I'm just saying two guys who, think they're the
singer.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
That's what makes it hard for them to combine.
It could be a problem.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
It just takes one smart one to know he's not
You're exactly right, that's theother problem If you ask
because Kix loved to sing.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
I actually like Kix when he's the stuff he does.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Kix has got his own thing.
That's badass, he's smart.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Man.
He sang a few songs through thecareer Hell of songs through
the career hell of a songwritertoo.
And he's you know what he lovesright now loves looking back at
his body of work and sitting onhis mountain of money at his
vineyard, and rightly so.
Like those guys, but they'regreat songs.
When you got ronnie done, weshould get kicks on.
Oh for sure, kicks would begreat, yeah, we should get kicks

(26:01):
on great, I just, I just feellike it's right there.
Like I, I love duos.
If you can get a duo that wantsto do some real songs, man,
it's easy.
There you go.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
We're calling out.
Come on Calling out.
Duos Email us at try that Okay.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Speaking of Dan and Shay, this is kind of a good
thing to maybe think about it,because just last week we're at
the Hall of Fame in New York andAshley Gourley, who we just had
on like two or three weeks agoon the show, he's at 83 number
ones now 87 now probably, somaybe, but yeah, it's been a
little bit.
But anyway, he was inducted tothe Songwriters Hall of Fame not

(26:38):
the Nashville Songwriters Hallof Fame, but all genres
Songwriters Hall of Fame and itwas really cool.
And dan and shay actually wentwith him and sang pieces of like
five of his hits and eventhough they have hits of their
own that he's written, they,they, they didn't select those,
they selected other songs thatweren't theirs.
I thought was really cool, wowand uh, selfless, and and one of

(26:59):
them was all american girl,which was really fun for me to
hear dan and shay sing a pieceof all american girls, but that
was really fun because you're inNew York and it was cool.
But another thing about thatAshley did great, his speech was
great, but his daughter, sadie,sang You're Gonna Miss this and
brought the house down.
Oh my Lord, she's a charismatic, positive, beautiful girl.

(27:22):
She doesn't even want to be asinger, she just did it and she
went out there and gave iteverything and everybody was in
tears and everything, but I wasnoticing.
And then the Beach Boys had atribute Mike I forget his last
name.
He was 83 years old and it'sbeen way too long before him
getting there.
He got up there and sang thosesongs.
I mean, he sang like three orfour songs in his 80s and it was

(27:46):
kind of hitting it.
And he was almost like everynow and then and part of it was
maybe because he was older butwhen he was singing those lyrics
sometimes and it was a reallygood line or melody line he was
almost pointing and a littleangry, almost kind of like yeah
that's how you do it.
It's freaking good.
I should have been up here along time ago.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
No kidding.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
But the thing that stuck out the most was every
artist you know, of all genre,everyone, everyone mentioned God
.
75% of them talked about Jesus.
It was interesting becauseyou're in New York and I figured
we'd hear you know a lot ofliberal things and hey, let's
get this current administrationout of there and let's come
together and all that stuff.

(28:21):
But it wasn't.
You might as well have been inNashville.
It was very interesting.
Did you see any rainbow flagswhile you were there?
No, I didn't see anything.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
No, we were only there for a few hours.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
How about Mexican flags.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
No.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Any Kings protests?
No no.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Kings, no, no, kings.
No, I didn't see any of that.
I figured you would.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
In New York City.
I figured you would Well Anydeportations.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Yeah, any ice house raids?
No, no, all of our group madeit back.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Okay, great, they love the music.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Ice agents love our music.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (28:52):
I do want to clarify one thing.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Clarify Just because I do.
I really love Dan and Shay LikeI want to make sure that's on
there.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Are you kidding?

Speaker 2 (29:00):
me.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
We do know those guys .
Shay Moanny is one of the bestsingers that's ever come along.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
They're so good.
All I was saying to clarify andthat's why I want to take a
second to clarify my point wasthey're so good and what I love
about great country songs isthey're around for a long time.
Pop stuff it comes and goes,but those guys are capable of
having recurrence that could bearound.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
I believe in them and they have some of those.
Well, it's a good pointactually, because I never
thought about it like that Popartists, not even talking about
them, it is kind of just likeone after the other and it goes
away.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Yeah, but country acts build careers and if you
stay in the genre, you thinkwe'll ever get back to that, the
way it used to be done, likemcgraw, garth brooks, um, rascal
flats, jason aldean uh, thoseyou think.
You think those days are gone,the way they used to build

(29:59):
careers well, I'll say this withsongs, if.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
The longevity of songs, if our career as
songwriters is what helps theartist, because all of those
acts took other songs that theydidn't write to build their
careers and always made surethey cut the best songs.
Now a lot of them ended upwriting some of them as they
went along, but they built theircareers off of other people's

(30:23):
songs.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
It's going to be hard to do it.
Honestly, it's weird to saythis, but I feel like the next
batch of big standards like thatmight come from the guys we
already have the Luke, theAldine, chesney, the Tim.
Sometimes there's a betterchance of them having a big
recurrent standard than the newacts, because the new acts are
programmed to release, release,release, release, release, and

(30:46):
so it almost like it doesn'thave time to sink in.
There's no anticipation for analbum.
They drop 20, 30 songs.
It's once you put a song outthese days it's it's instantly
old.
What's next?
Yeah, so the way people listento music.
I don't know if the youngpeople will even think, even
think or music hits in the sameway, cause they, you know, like

(31:08):
the fan base for the Jason's andthe and the Keith Urban's and
those guys they still areprogrammed to like, listen to
our project and maybe there's abetter I mean still a fighting
shot for some big songs.
Morgan Morgan's got huge songs,maybe.
Maybe last night is one ofthose that you know it's hard to
tell he's put so many out Likesand in my boots.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
You know, I would say , even if you put out 30, it's
no different than like if wewent to.
If I had eight songs that arethe best in my career and
nobody's ever recorded them andsomebody says we're going to cut
this one, come play all of them.
For me I wouldn't play all ofthem because, let's say they're
all equally as good.
You're going to pick the one ortwo of the best of those best,

(31:52):
right, and then the other onesaren't going to get recorded.
If you listen to 30 great songsthat Morgan pulls out, you're
going to remember five of themright off the top of your head
and say, oh my God, that onekills this other one.
You know what I mean's.
They're not all going to be outon the radio and they didn't
record them.
To all be out on the radio andsay this is the greatest thing
ever.
It was just a moment.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Well, morgan's breaking new ground yeah, he
could sing the phone.
Morgan.
Morgan is, it's the rarest ofair.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
It's hard to get it like where everything is just on
fire I feel kind of guilty, Ifeel kind of bad right now.
No, you don't A little bit whatcaused?

Speaker 3 (32:29):
that, what's changed?
Well, I'm just being selfish.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Are you feeling?

Speaker 2 (32:32):
okay.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Selfish Neil right here.
Interesting, I mean here.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
And welcome to the wellness pack oh.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
I need some wellness of drugs.
Listen, no, it's like when theriots started back up in LA.
I'm like.
I'm like our song kind ofstarted, people started posting.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
I heard a lot.
I mean I'm going.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
I'm going, yes, and all I'm thinking about is like,
yeah, y'all keep burning yourshit down out there and our
song's gonna get a resurgenceand it has.
And then people are posting itagain and they're playing it
again and I'm going wait aminute, this is not good.
It's all for the wrong reason.
I felt kind of bad for it, butI didn't.
And then I go wait a minute,they're going to keep writing

(33:15):
this.
My property value in Tennesseejust went up and I'm like, and I
and I, and selfishly, I'mthinking of all these bad things
and I'm like, wait a minute,this is bad man, we got to get
LA back in order.
And am I wrong for feeling thatway?

Speaker 4 (33:30):
I want to ask you three, if I'm wrong, for feeling
that way, I'll say this quicklyas a songwriter, you feel
totally right and justifiedbecause you realize somehow
we're part of a timeless song.
Not just because of the songbecause it's the nature of
people and what's happeningright now.
When we're 80, it's going to bethe same thing, we're 90, same

(33:52):
thing when.
When we're 80, it's gonna bethe same thing, we're 90, same
thing when we're dead.
And buried.
It's gonna be the same thing,we're not all collectively come
together until it's till it'sover, when it's when some one
world leader comes to andeverybody just flocks him like,
oh my god, we love everythingyou say.
It's done, that's you're right,though.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
I heard a lot of our song.
Yeah, I heard tommy laron onfox.
She was saying and talkingabout our song too, and she's
going through the la right justcomes back up.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Every time something flames up out west or in a blue
town somewhere, our song flamesback up we are in a really crazy
time.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I mean, you know, I thought it was going to calm
down and it did feel like itcalmed down for a minute, the
political madness, and then youknow, I just don't understand
what.
Ok, so people want violentcriminals here illegally and
they're that's OK, come on,let's, let's.
You know, deporting thecriminals is what should be

(34:51):
going on.
It's what, that's what's it'swhat.
Obama talked about doing.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
He was strong on the border.
It's silly.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
I mean, did you guys see the Schwarzenegger thing?

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yes, I heard about it .
I heard about it.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Explain what happened .

Speaker 2 (35:07):
All I caught was a clip of him saying basically
what the illegals here are doing.
Was this him on the View.
Yes, Okay.
It was great and he was veryadamant.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Some people.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
They called you racist.
They did Well.
He was great.
I mean, he was it was that'swhat we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
It's the truth.
I mean, he's just like comehere the right way, he came.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
he's an immigrant.
He said how proud he was.
Yes, but he goes.
You got to do it the right way.
You got to do it legally.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
They're waving Mexican flags in America it's
like, well, go back to Mexico.
If you're waving the flag likethat, go back.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
That right there tells you they're being paid to
wave those flags like that andcause a ruckus like they're
doing ruckus.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
What a good word, yeah.
When the american flag's being,you know, burned on the ground,
then you have a guy on top ofthe card and two or three guys
really waving the mexican flag.
It just uh like what are whatare y'all doing?

Speaker 3 (36:05):
and everybody's standing around cheering you
know what's wrong with you.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
They don't know just if yeah, if it's that great,
just go back, that'd be great.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Well, luckily Newsom will write the ship out there.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
His hair is going to change everything.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Hey, that's what I want to have.
On Newsom, I would love becausehe's a smart dude, well-spoken,
he casts spells with the way hetalks, they wouldn't let him in
the gate.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
Well, more importantly, neil wouldn't let
him in the studio.
I would love, and that's true.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
I wouldn't give it.
He's got the tongue of aserpent man.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
He does.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
No, that dude is such a demon.
I would not.
I wouldn't let him come in myfront door.
I'd have to sprinkle water orwhatever and put bottles Holy
water.
Oh my God, the power of Christcompels you.
He's a freaking demon.
I would not let him in here.
He is insane, he's possessed.
Actually, I'm with you, he isinsane, he's possessed because

(36:59):
he'll say anything to try tosave his own hide.
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 6 (37:04):
But anyway.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
I mean, you know, look at their price of gas and
look at ours.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
Maybe he traded his soul when he was 13 years old
for that head of hair.
I mean, the hair is.
He's a good looking dude, butthat's a demon right there.

Speaker 5 (37:17):
Well, the hair is good Because he's so attractive.

Speaker 6 (37:19):
He's a demon.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
I'd like that hair he made a deal with the devil.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
He looks pretty.
I can't believe you said youthought a guy was attractive.
No, I'm pulling the line foryou now.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Well you can appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
This is a good time for a break.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
I don't want to slap him on the ass.
He's an attractive fellow.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
What if you made a good shot?
It's athletic, it's whatathletes do.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
That's the only compliment I can give that
numbnut, all right.

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I swear we need to record thisstuff because it's good content.
You just showed me some kind ofwhat was it what the Patriots
did?
What was that?

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Oh God.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Did you already lose it?

Speaker 3 (40:03):
No, I can pull it up real quick for you.
No, it's like it just says allit says.
It's at Gillette Stadium.
Yeah, where'd that play In thePride Month thing?
They had this big old, hugeflag.
It went away, but we saw thebig Whatever.
Yeah, what happened?
Yeah, it's that the big flag.
Let me see the big rainbow flag.

(40:24):
Oh For all.
I got one word for you, it justsays, another one bites the
dust, and I couldn't think of abetter line for that.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Can I one-up you Please?

Speaker 2 (40:39):
This is not going to be good.
No, it's not going to be good.
This is our hometown, tennessee.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
And it's freaking football.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
So the Titans.
We just had Father's Day, Idon't know when this episode
comes out.
But we just had Father's Day.
I don't know when this episodecomes out, but we just had
Father's Day.
By the way, happy Father's.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
Day to all of you.
Yes, happy Father's Day.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
But the Titans posted this Happy Father's Day to all
the Titan moms and fatherlyfigures.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
What does that even mean?

Speaker 3 (41:10):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Confused.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
I assume they mean that there might be women that
are the father of their, becauseif you have two women or they
could be talking about step-bats.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Have they not learned yet, All of them?
What the hell are they doingwith their?
They got to sell tickets tofootball games.
Wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
What are you doing?
My mind's not working today.
I still don't understand whatit means.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Well, whatever it meant, they deleted it.
We play football Afterwards.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
Oh, they got some flags on it.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
I want men to play football.
Manly men, you can see thebulges in the tight pants.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Men, okay you crossed the line.
Okay, you crossed the line.
No, I want men to play football.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
I'm concerned.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
I'm concerned about that statement, I'm so sick and
tired, but when you see thebulge you know it's not a woman.
Okay, you know what I'm saying.
I'm just saying guys, Come on.
But talking about the Titans,though it's for the girls-
Talking about the Titans, though.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
I just saw this today .
Y'all probably saw it too.
I think Allie actually sent iton the thread.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Oh yeah, that's great .

Speaker 4 (42:13):
Isn't she supposed to be on her honeymoon?

Speaker 6 (42:20):
Well, it was day two, so you know.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
I mean you've got to eat rest and text and stuff you
know.
But it said it was like thisbreaking thing.
It says Iran fired more than 35ballistic missiles into Israel
tonight.
Nearly all were intercepted.
No injuries were reported.
Iran got Will Levis behindcenter.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
it looks like that's amazing, so like.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Dylan Holt put that out.
It was hilarious.
That's actually really funnyand I thought of Tully
immediately, because he's such ahuge fan of Will Levis.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Yes, Y'all are going to wind up being best friends.
You know that right.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
I actually really want Will Evans to come on.
Hey, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
You've already trashed him enough.
He can't, he can't hey.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
But there's no shame.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
You play in the NFL.
You're pretty badass anyway.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Right, that's what I was going to say.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
You made it.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
They're easy targets will never be to their.
I mean, I'm with you.
It's like playing quarterbackin the nfl might be the hardest
things.
It is.
It really is because there's,and maybe good ones.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
He had a great career at kentucky and dude I mean you
can't argue, you play.
He could leave here he go totampa bay and probably rock
their world down there I.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
I'm serious, though.
Do you guys think honestly like, for all my will, I love you
dude.
You know that?
No, he does not.
I don't think he does not, youdo not.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Here's what I'll say, though you know that.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Will you know that we're bros Will.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Obviously.
You know that he's a greatathlete.
There has got to be make.
Can't you make him a tightendish type player?
I don't know, man, you don'teven know.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
You're laughing at me like I'm crazy you're making
the tight end seem like it's nota skilled position.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Well, no, but like well, no, but he would he would
know the offense like he wouldknow the offense very well.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
No, seriously, what I'm saying is Taysom Hill type
guy.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
A gimmick, gimmick guy.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Trick play.
If he comes in, is he going tothrow the ball or is he going to
catch it?
You know what?

Speaker 3 (44:20):
I mean, he's such a good athlete, why don't you just
go ahead and say he doesn'thave the brains to be a
quarterback?
Ooh Gosh, wow.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
He's a great athlete.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
He can spin it like nobody else.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
He's got a cannon.
Here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
You know, I just say that.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Kurt said it best Playing QB NFL is it's tough.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
It's a lot of pressure and you don't have to
be super smart yeah.
I mean maybe it's the system.
If Peyton Manning can do it,anybody can.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
It's the system.
If Peyton Manning can do it,anybody can.
Oh my God.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Overrated QB.
By the way, you've got to bekidding.
Come on, we've got to havePeyton Manning.
We just ignited Caleb, he'sfreaking amazing, overrated the.
Ut.
He is not overrated.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
This quarter of the QB radius was quarter.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
Dude, he is not an overrated quarterback, overrated
, he is born to be a quarterback.

Speaker 6 (45:11):
His whole family, eli's better.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
I mean my God.
It's because he has the DNA oftheir dad.

Speaker 5 (45:15):
Eli's better.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
You guys are idiots, all of those people are more
successful than any of us All ofthem and we couldn't even make
it through practice at NFL youwould die in warm-ups.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
I'm not going to play , I hope, the on your face right
now You're very upset, becausewhen you start offending the UT
nation, the ball nation it's notjust that he's one of the most
known public figures because ofhim being quarterback.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
This is why we're going to be rich.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
Right here, oh my God , right here.
I always felt bad for him.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
You just can't insult people for the sake of
insulting them.
He was a great college QB, see.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Now, he didn't win the national championship.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
He did not.
Martin did win behind.
They won it right after he leftA Peyton Manning spiral.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
But it was the beginning.
Peyton Manning spiral.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
Hey, but that dude, he was smart and he's a winner.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
No he is no two ways about it.
Actually, I really like Peyton.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
He's a great band director too scared feet in the
pocket.
Oh, he was petrified in thepocket.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
No, he's excited, he's just happy feet.
That's all Overrated.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
We teed that up.
It was perfect.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
He had the best what?

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Peyton Manning's one of the greatest quarterbacks of
all time.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Overrated.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
I'm not even going to listen to that, but he is.
He's one of the greatest.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
You don't luck your way into that much success.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
I'm not saying no, I'm saying he's great, but he's
not as great as you think.
It's not like songwriting Tully.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
We don't luck our way into that much success.
There's people wanting to killyou and stuff You're very teed
up right now.
Well, you just say things thataren't true.
I know it's true.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
He's a great.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
QB.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
He's just not as great as what you think he is.
He is no, he is totally.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
I gotta disagree with you even though I'm a bama fan,
peyton manning is he's he's,he'd be on the way everything
down way low on the list of qbs.
You're just a.
You're a, you're a fan.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
You're just so in love with tom brady.
You're in love with tom bradyit's good.
It's good but I'll say tombrady is tom brady.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
He's a goat, he's's great.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, but there's other.
Even you got Brady.
I mean I take Elway, I take DanRay.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
You need to take some of this stuff in the wellness
package here Now.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
Brady and Manning are super successful, but I will
say after football, peyton nailsTV commercials and spots much
better than Brady will ever.
With all of his training he'sterrible.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Well, you are really freaking terrible.
He better than Brady will everwith all of his training.
He's terrible.
Well, you are really freakingterrible, he's terrible.
The Hurts commercial.

Speaker 6 (47:34):
I'm not talking about commercials.
The Hurts commercial?

Speaker 4 (47:36):
my God, there's nobody worse than that You've
got to be kidding me.
How is he on TV?

Speaker 3 (47:40):
I don't understand.
He didn't outdo OJ, though, onthe Hurts show.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
Oh man.
We went to OJ.
I mean, come on.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
But I mean.
Peyton could not jump a row ofseats like OJ did?
Probably not.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
He couldn't do it?
Probably not.

Speaker 5 (47:57):
No, he can't run, he can't run at all.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
But how many takes did that take even OJ?
You know he can spin it, I'llgive you that.
And Peyton didn't go to jailfor killing people.

Speaker 6 (48:05):
Look here I'm on your side, dude, I think.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Tully's, just Tom Brady's the GOAT and we're going
to give you that.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Well, tom Brady's the GOAT, but there's other
quarterbacks way above PeytonManning who Go down Elway Favre.

Speaker 6 (48:19):
Elway I like those kind of.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
QBs Peyton Manning, spiral Joe Montana yeah okay but
, let's say, would you put himin the top 10, and if so,
absolutely.
Probably the top 10, and if soabsolutely probably top 10, but
then if you're in the top 10 ofanything, I I'm saying he's
great, but but he's not like.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
You're one of the best of all time.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
A little bit did you win a super bowl.

Speaker 5 (48:39):
Yeah, he got one, right, he got one which.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
That's all you need to tell his point.
That's all you need people.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Thought he should have won more yeah I think
that's all you said.
I appreciate.
I love n I love the.
Now, with all that being said,Peyton, if you want to come on
the podcast, we'd love to haveyou, peyton.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
you know I love you.
Buddy K-Lo.
That's up to you.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
K-Lo.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Peyton you know I love you, man, k-lo, k-lo.
But I don't know.
This is a challenge.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
I've met him a couple times.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
He's very nice.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
He is he's fantastic, he's awesome.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
I got to see him do the nationwide commercials with
Paisley and stuff and he'd comeand hang with us for a long time
we should have morequarterbacks on here.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
We've had Brett Favre .
Yeah, we should have morequarterbacks on here that we
love and he's like.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Seriously, he's a great QB.
I'm just saying he's overratedfor not the greatest ever if
we're trying to get him.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
You can't say let's take that clip out.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
You can make fun of his spiral all day long.
But that spiral got to hisreceiver where it needed to be
every single time for a SuperBowl.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
He's not, he's not even.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
I mean you're just lashing out because you're mad
because you threw Dan and Shayunder the bus.
You need to give them therespect they deserve and you're
mad about it.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
That's all.
Oh my God, that's all I toldyou.
It was a weird night.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Wait until episode number two tonight.
You're going to get freakingroasted.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
We should do more of these, just the four of us, man.
This is fantastic.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
We fight, we argue we throw the football two right
now Bring on the guests Beforewe leave.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Let's get into some more controversy.
We should pray oh God, really.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
Bring us together, as we were before we started this
podcast.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
In the name of Jesus, amen, but listen, this is
serious.
There were some comments aboutour last episode.
I think it probably came out.
We kind of went off on the WNBAa little.
Oh, did I take some?

Speaker 3 (50:33):
heat.
What are you talking about?
I'm not taking anything back.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
No, no, no.
As a matter of fact, this is adouble down.
Have you seen?
You guys follow Clay Travis.
Yeah, clay Travis is awesome.
Yeah, yeah, he has challengedAngel Reese to a one-on-one
basketball game.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
I want to see that.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Oh my God, he's going to 15.
He's an idiot.
$100,000.
It's fantastic.
Going to charity.
Where's it going?
Yeah, going to charity.
He wants to raise money throughpay-per-view.

Speaker 5 (51:03):
We should do that we should do more of that.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
What do you think?
Angel Reese or Clay Travis?
Angel Reese All day long.
You think so.
Yeah, she can't hit a jump shot.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
I've never seen Clay play he doesn't have the feet.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
He's been sitting behind a microphone too long.
He's too stiff.
He doesn't have time to get inshape for that.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Before we go down that rabbit hole.
I think that's all we got.
Does anybody want to end onsomething?

Speaker 3 (51:25):
I love y'all.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
You can feel our energy, I think.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
It's could feel our energy.
I think, yeah, it's, it's beena weird day it continued on yeah
, yeah, you're tight man, you'retight.
You're bringing your tightnessto the podcast.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
That's really good no , I think it's cool, how, how we
can.
We can talk about everythingthat we're aware of in our world
did we we're just songwritersyeah yeah and we're songwriters
and musicians.
I mean we're.
We covered our opinions inpolitics.
We covered our opinions insports.
We covered our opinions insports, the music business,
which we know a lot about.
I can, we could go on and on.

(51:57):
We could have episode afterepisode about the music and
where it's going.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
So I think I think we're at a very I know we got to
go very strange time in in thecountry music industry.
Very strange, it couldn't bestranger to me.
The disconnect between label,artist, fan base, all of it.
You know it's very strange Veryconcerning the, you know I'm

(52:26):
worried about it.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
Really.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yeah, I think the labels are.
You know they're making a lotof money on streaming.
The money isn't the problem,it's the creative direction, I
think, and the type of artistand how the artists are getting
there.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
If the labels are making money, they're not going
to change it.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
That's what I mean, and it's a business.
So there you go.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
Well, and even from the writing standpoint, you're
incredibly right about.
And it's a business.
So there you go.
Well, and even from the fromthe writing standpoint, you're
incredibly right about that,Cause it's it's different even
for just a straight up full-timewriter.
Things have changed and now I'mhaving meetings with my
publisher.
I'm starting parts of songs andhooks and sending them to
publishers.
Oh my gosh, that that have a, aconnect with an artist that I

(53:13):
want to get to, that I can't getin the room with to see if they
like the idea and have toco-write it with me.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
I haven't heard that and you're a damn legend.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
That's unbelievable and you're hoping to get a
callback?
Okay, this is right.
You know what I mean 18 numberones, but you got to keep the
lights on number ones, which isincredible.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
You're in the top, like, but you're also.
You're an incredible songwriter, an incredible person, great in
a room.
It's like they should bebegging to learn from you, and
that that's where we're at, likethe lack of respect, these
young artists, and not all ofthem and not all young writers,
but there is a lack of respect,um, for who's come before, yeah,
and I.
I just don't see that I'm, theydon't care they don't take the
time to learn and go back intime.

(53:53):
It's true, and it's not just whopaved the way.
They don't care.
It's not just being old andgrumpy.
I know I'm getting old andgrumpy, but-.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
I'm old and grumpy and I'm happy about it.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Yeah, and I don ignorance.
You know that people just don'tresearch people like if like we
talked about it before.
No, I know, but if I'm writingwith two people, because
generally I don't know who I'mwriting with until that day.
And I look and I see the namesand nine times out of ten I
don't recognize them.
First thing, I don't.

(54:21):
I don't think, oh crap, don'tknow him.
I don't say that at all.
Just look at it put in mycomputer, look them up and say,
oh cool, they had a landy wilsonhit.
That's right.
I'll try to write something forhim.
That's what I think.
But nobody looks you up youknow what I mean.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
It's just interesting .
Most people don't you knowthey're the.
They're the new sheriff in town.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
They don't care yeah, but you gotta, you gotta keep
writing, you gotta keep yougotta keep.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pray for him hey but
we've got some cool stuff coming.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
The mary cutter sounds great, check her out I
can't wait.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Yeah, you guys gonna.
I can't wait you're.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
You guys are going to .
I can't wait You're going to bea cutter.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
I'm a cutter.
Yep, she's overrated.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
She's overrated.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Hey, like Neil said, we kind of, we kind of Boy
really.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Caleb really has himself.
I know it right, the PeytonManning button.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
You did, I'm a cutter .
I'm kidding put overrated ornot overrated?
You're talking about us, no,peyton Manning.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
We know we're overrated.
We know we're well overrated.
Don't break us down asindividuals.
We can't handle it.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Don't give him a window for that.
Come on.
But yeah, if you're watching onYouTube, make sure you comment.
Give us five stars, right, wedeserve it, we do.
Yeah, I don't know if weactually do or not Love you Dan
and Shay.

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