Viral Guitar Riffs and Prison Gigs w/Ben Gallaher :: Ep 61 Try That in a Small Town Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That's the thing.
It's dangerous climbing aladder man.
That ladder never ends, youknow.
So it's a.
I find myself nowadays likekind of enjoying where I'm at
and always pushing it.
I mean, I'm pushing it everysingle day but not missing where
I'm at, because it's dangerousto live on what's next, what's
next, what's next and you misswhat.

(00:21):
You know, everything that gotyou to this point.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah, and that's why it's important to get married
before.
Like you get a record deal,then go ahead and get married
that way, before she knowswhat's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
it's good or bad?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
you don't know, just go ahead and lock her in.
And kudos to you with Monica.
She's lovely.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Y'all's stuff is so guitar-driven and it's the intro
riff.
As soon as those songs come on,you know exactly what it is.
Yeah, well, that's not really athing anymore in country, as
much right rock things.
It was always a thing in rockright.
It was so identifiable by thatintro riff.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
That's part of the song before you even get to the
lyrical hook.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
You know it's a whole musical hook from the top
what's it like cutting a recordin there, because I hadn't seen
that with nil?
What's it like?

Speaker 1 (01:09):
well, I'll tell you this I'm upstairs at pat's
studio and he's downstairs withpat with a baseball bat hitting
the top of the rafter.
When I'm not hitting, the noteright I can see that that is so
clear to see what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:27):
That's amazing.
I'm not an asshole.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
No, he gets a little Tommy Toughnuts with me out
there.

Speaker 6 (01:32):
The Try that in a Small Town podcast begins now.
Try that in a small town.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Do you always do that ?
No, I'm just starting somethingnew and and Welcome back to the
Try that in a Small Townpodcast.
We have the stopwatch going.
We are here at the PatriotMobile Studios.
We got Kayla, we got Drash, wegot TK.
Tonight is going to be prettyfun, y'all Pretty fun.

Speaker 8 (02:04):
You forgot to introduce yourself.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
I'm Kurt Fondue.
Kurt Fondue, that's thenickname Neil gave me.
It's very cheesy or chocolatey,however you prefer.
Tonight.
You know we talk about this alot.
How do we go viral?
How do we go viral?
We got somebody that went viral.
He's got a new EP.
He's got a new ep.

(02:28):
He's got a new single.
It's called what bullet, bullet.
Welcome ben gallagher yeah, yes, yes, we were just laughing
before we got on here.
Dude, how many people say bengallagher?

Speaker 1 (02:39):
like the comedian.
Every single one of them.
Yeah, showed up to showsmarquee tonight.
Oh, no, ben gallagher what areyou talking?
About.
So now it's in the rider yeah,thousand dollar, fine.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
So you got people wearing like trash bags on the
front row thinking you're gonnado the watermelon trick on him
jaylo, I thought you were gonnabring some watermelon he
sometimes.

Speaker 8 (03:04):
Do you get asked that on radio?
I mean, like when you're out onradio do they bring up the last
name at all?

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, it was like this is a classic Right before
we're going on stage of thisradio show and the PD's
announcing you know, or somebodycomes out and announces it and
I'll say like hey, it'sGallagher, it's said Gallagher,
but no.
Second G Ben Gallagher with nosecond G oh yeah, got it, got it
, got it.
He gets up there and he doeshis thing.
He's like man.
We're fired up to have youAsheville.
Welcome Ben Gallagher.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Two seconds before we had just talked about it what
are you going to do man, hey youknow what Aldine had the same
problem we were just going tosay that Used to be saying it
back in the old days.
No, they still do it today.
Jason Aldean Aldean no.

Speaker 8 (03:45):
Oh yeah, oh, I have buddies that do it.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
All the time.
Yeah, I can't tell you how manytalk shows we were on.
You know, the PR person goes upand says okay, it's Jason
Aldean, and then they introduceit.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Jason Aldean and we play.
Okay, there it is.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
So I don't know.

Speaker 5 (04:03):
Maybe you're onto something.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
I could be man, I don't know, I hope.
Thank y'all for having me.
I'm pumped to be here.

Speaker 8 (04:09):
Tell our listeners where you're from Ben
Pennsylvania.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
What is that Pennsylvania?

Speaker 1 (04:16):
The redneck sound of Pennsylvania.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
So Pennsylvania, what eastern or western?

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Kind of central I'm in between Pittsburgh and Philly
.
Is that where the Amish are?
I'm part Amish.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
No, I'm just kidding.
We had an Amish Mennoniteconversation.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
How much do you know about the Mennonites or Amish?
Do you know what a Mennonite?

Speaker 5 (04:39):
is Not a lot.
Okay, either do we.
We learned a lot, you learn alot, he would know, more about
Amish.

Speaker 8 (04:41):
We learned a lot.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
You learned a lot.

Speaker 8 (04:42):
You would know more about the Amish than you would
Mennonites.
I don't think there's that manyMennonites up there.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
They're all down here .
Well, the Amish won theelection for PA.
Yeah, you're right about that,really, oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Did you see all those videos?
Yeah, no kidding.
Oh yeah, I had no, where theysay yuns Yuns, yuns, how yuns
doing, how yuns doing.
Gotta go up with it.
Oh yeah, see.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
That does sound Amish .
I do.
I like those Amish andMennonites.
They really have no chanceagainst the Amish.

Speaker 8 (05:16):
Well, tully called the Mennonites posers.
They are posers, I don't knowmuch.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
I don't know much.
I don't know enough aboutthey're not sacrificing anything
man.

Speaker 8 (05:24):
Mennonites have cell phones and pickup trucks.
Some of them have power runningto their homes.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
I don't know, I like some Mennonites.
Yeah, I mean, they're great.

Speaker 8 (05:31):
I don't know how you could call it Just because you
grow a tomato you know, doesn'tmake you Amish.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
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Speaker 5 (05:44):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
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Speaker 8 (05:59):
And there's alarming rates on rise in cardiac events
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I mean, I've seen, I've seen somany stories and read so many
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and they're they've never didbefore.
They're perfectly healthypeople healthy in shape.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
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Speaker 4 (07:26):
So, ben, when did you leave Pennsylvania and come
here, and why Give us a backstory?

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah, 2011 is when I moved from Pennsylvania.
I started playing guitar when Iwas six.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Six, and drums and drums.
A little research.

Speaker 8 (07:42):
Not even in the US.
He played drums.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
You can find that on the Wide.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
World Web.
I found it out this morning.

Speaker 7 (07:48):
The Wide World Web.
J-lo did his homework.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Well good, I started beating on soup cans with
pencils when I was five and myfolks saw that, so they got me a
drum set and then, not longafter, they got me a guitar, and
I figured out later and yourparents are rich no they just

(08:12):
didn't want you to play drums inthe house.
That's it okay and no, I justtook to the guitar.
It just fit me.
I had a couple lessons early onbut honestly it's a total god
thing.
I mean, nobody in my family wasmusical at all and I took to it
.
And it from then on is when Iknew this was what I was
supposed to do okay, so go backwhen.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
When did you start guitar?
What age?
Six, oh my gosh, I couldn't addit when did you start playing
17?
Yeah, yeah, I was.

Speaker 8 (08:47):
I was playing piano as a young lad, we're still
trying to get kurt to playguitar on the show.
He won't pick one up why not?

Speaker 7 (08:56):
he won't back me up.
No, the passion's gone, that'sthe passion.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
Let me ask you a question when you, when you
started, so I started playingaround eight or nine okay base,
did you have that point whereyou, um, because I remember I
got my first base as eight ornine and I played it a lot for
like a few weeks and months andI put it away for a little bit
and maybe like a year and then Ijust picked it up one day and
like just never put it down.
Did that?
Was it the same thing you?

(09:21):
Or do you just pick it up atsix and just continued, or did
you?
I mean, there was times I gotaway from it, but not, not for
very long but then that momentwhen it clicked, I remember that
specific moment when I pickedit up and I never put it back
down.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, you know, which is which is interesting at that
young age, you know and I thinkit goes from like this crazy
pipe dream to like for when Iwas like early high school and
then middle of high school iswhen it flipped where it's like
no, like I'm moving to Nashvillein like a couple years, that's

(09:54):
where it flips from, so did yougrow up listening man.
I'd be awesome if I wanted todo this, and then no, I'm going
to do it.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
That's amazing.
Were you listening to countrymusic like exclusively as a kid,
or was it kind of everything,or what inspired you strictly?

Speaker 1 (10:06):
90s country yes I didn't get into rock and roll
until high school.
Wow, because, that's all,that's all my folks had playing
in the house, so that's all.
I was exposed to give us some ofthe artists like the 90s
country show oh, brooks and dunn, and tracy lawrence, tracy bird
, john anderson, I meanblackhawk, I got down to all

(10:26):
that you know.
So, and then that guitarplaying in, like you know, some
of the alan jackson stuff, brentmason, like I was like what is
going?
It's a chicken thing, yeah, andmy music now does not sound
like 90s country at all, but Ialways thought you can be
inspired by music.

(10:48):
That may not sound like themusic you make but it helps you.
You know it's it, you'reinfluenced by it, I love that I
guarantee you this this kidright here could sing every word
to every song.

Speaker 8 (11:01):
That's been that we've had cut album, Album cuts
not singles he knows them all.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Really.

Speaker 8 (11:08):
All of them.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
It blew my mind.
I'm a massive Jason fan and allthose records Please continue.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Extend this segment, but mainly the bass lines
inspire you to be a betterguitar player, and particularly
songs that these guys are a partof.
They're like man.
I don't really hear the basslines inspire you to be a better
guitar player, and particularlysongs that these guys are a
part of.
They're like man.

Speaker 7 (11:26):
I don't really hear the bass in that.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
I wore those records out.
Okay, I love that To the pointwhere they wouldn't even play
anymore.
Like no shit and I rememberlooking in the credits and y'all
just talked about this recentlyon one of the episodes on
flipping through.
You know the book and see thatthat's kind of not as much
anymore, but I think maybe itwas.

(11:55):
It could have been a wide openrecord and I'm looking at it and
man, this guy's name is on allthese songs here's this neil
thrasher guy.
He's writing all these myfavorite songs yeah,
unbelievable.
Yeah, he's pretty he's okay.

Speaker 8 (12:11):
And we wrote one day and I had no idea.
Well, how did?

Speaker 4 (12:14):
you guys meet, then yeah, what was the connection?
How did you guys so?

Speaker 1 (12:17):
when I was signed at sony.
Jim catino actually is the onethat first put us together.
Love jim uh, yep and this wasprobably 2015 or 2016, maybe,
yeah, right around there and, um, you know, that's a big deal to
write with.
I mean, yeah, it's a massivedeal to write with somebody like
that, you know, especiallybecause I knew all the songs.

Speaker 8 (12:40):
It's like holy shit he knew all the album cuts.
He was blowing my mind.
I'm like he's looking at albumcuts that I'd forgotten about.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
You know what's funny ?
Why did he do them?

Speaker 2 (12:51):
all.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
A lot of people.
They'll talk about the my Kindof Party album as the big album.
But we hear wide open album.
Even my son.
That's the album he loves themost as well it's uh like
michael jackson.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Everybody thinks thriller, but off the wall right
before it was the one that kindof ascended him there off the
wall.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
What a great album, yeah yeah, so jason aldean,
michael jackson yeah, see whatwe did there, ben, is this
adding up to you making sense?

Speaker 1 (13:22):
now it's starting to hey.
Relentless' record was badass.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
Well, we hit a speed bump with Laugh Till we Cried.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
That was not a speed bump, it was a top five record.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
Look, we definitely lost some serious oh sorry, kalo
.
Yeah, we definitely lost somemomentum.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
No, I'm kidding, relentless was actually.
We joke about it, but theactual song Relentless, I don't
know what it went to 13 or 15.
It kind of stalled some of themomentum he had started with the
first record?

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Were you on that one?
Telly what's that?
Were you on Relentless?
Maybe the bass line killed it?

Speaker 5 (13:59):
Yeah, but it's a good thing to talk about though,
because even you know.
But you know it's a good thingto talk about though because,
like even you know, we worked sohard to get to the hick town
spot right, and you first numberone and they're big song,
emerald sky, and you get torelentless and you're like, oh
well, no way, this isn't goingto keep rolling.
So johnny cash, that did well,but it wasn't like incredible.
And then it just went likerelentless and and laugh to be

(14:24):
cried was an amazing song,probably just the wrong time.
You know what I mean, timingwise.
But I remember on the busthinking well, aldean was
talking about it like well, thismight be it.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
We might have.
Yeah, we knew if we didn't comeout of the box hot on Wide Open
and you can relate to this, anda lot of artists can man it's,
it's tough, and if you don'tkeep that momentum going, the
momentum the other way is fasterand quicker and more brutal,
very brutal, and so we knew thatwide open had to come out

(14:57):
strong.
So, uh, neil was all over thatone thankful for that now way to
go neil.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, you did it.

Speaker 8 (15:07):
I remember the first time hearing him sing though
like that first writing sessionthat we had and we sit down and
we start, we start messingaround and and he starts singing
.
I'm like man, listen to thatraw, listen to that rasp that
raw it was just, it was a rockthing to me, you know, and I
remember it wasn't long afterthat, even after we got together

(15:29):
again, it was like, man, Icould put that kid's voice to
tape.
Work his tail off if I ever hadthe chance, it would have some,
you know yeah, because the stuffyou were cutting was good, but
it wasn't what I was hearing atall, not with you.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
It was just I wanted to get interesting with the
voice because it is like a rocksounding voice.
But the fact that you grew uplistening to all country was
your voice always like that.
It's very unique.
Did you always have that rasp?
Yeah, that kind of getdeveloped when you listen to
some more rock no, I can't.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
It was kind of always there, yeah, um.
So 90s country was like earlyon growing up, and then Jason
and Eric Eric Church and theearly Keith Urban records.
I got down to big time,especially with being a guitar
player like the Golden Road.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
But you're a great guitar player.
You're a great and and I alwaysartists like you I wish had
would just have the most successbecause it's it's artists in
every sense of the word.
You know you're writing,singing, but your guitar playing
, that's a whole, nother thingthat speaks, you know.
So it's.
I remember after we wrote thefirst time years ago, a decade

(16:42):
ago yeah, that's crazy dude, itis crazy.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, what are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (16:46):
Yeah, well, it happens, yep.
But I remember telling Kurtthis is really that's a real
artist.
You know playing guitar.
It's really really impressive.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
What were you on?

Speaker 5 (16:58):
Was it Sony that you were on?
I thought it was Warner.
Then Was it not Warner, it wasSony was warner.
Then was it not warner, it wassony.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
Okay, yeah and was it at the end of the deal that we
were writing?
I can't remember because I wastrying to remember the timing of
yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
It was like maybe give us the ups and downs, man
is that why you didn't finishthe demo?

Speaker 5 (17:14):
sorry, bad.
Yeah, we never finished thatdemo, I don't think, but it was
towards the end of the deal, somaybe we get back on it.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, I'm cutting soon yeah um, I signed at sony
in 2014, okay, and a couplemonths after I signed, there was
a regime change.
Oh, yeah, so, and y'all knowwhat that means.
But for listeners, like, it'slike a bank.
You know somebody the new guycomes in.
A lot of times they'll blow outand clean house and restart

(17:44):
with their people, right, Iactually made it through that
cut, but it was never the same,because the new randy goodman
didn't never really have hisstamp on me because he wasn't
the original one to sign me.
Gary overton was yeah, it'slike so fast forward.
I was there and I had cut 18songs in that span of time and

(18:08):
on the shelf collecting a lot ofdust on the bottle.

Speaker 7 (18:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
And turned in five sides that I was jacked about
and they were all excited.
And then all of a suddensomething happened and they got
cold and said hey, we want youto go back in and cut some more
stuff.
Um, this whole edgier thing isnot.
You know, we need you to bethis more softer, like the pop.

(18:39):
At that time pop country waslike smooth, that was like, and
after being there for like fiveyears, I asked out.
I remember the night I calledcatino and me and him are boys
still to this day and I was likethat's it, dude, I'm not.
I've been here for this longand you know it's hard enough
doing it with stuff that youlove.

(19:00):
I'll be damned if I'm gonna goout and play shit that I hate.
Yeah, it, it's not me.
You can't put my vocal on a Danand Shay track.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
It's just like you have to be genuine.
That's the mindset.
I swear the landscape it'schanged so much.
We've talked about this all thetime on this show.
But I really feel like the typeof artist that you are.
If the landscape doesn't change, say, covid doesn't happen, or
say streaming doesn't um havethe foothold it has now, like if

(19:29):
this is, you know, like the wayit used to be done with radio,
tour and radio, and I thinkyou're already way more
successful if the landscapedoesn't change because you can
go out and play clubs, greatshow, great performer, when you
really had to grow things,grassroots, where it doesn't
work that way anymore.
Grassroots is now done throughdsbs, you know, and youtube,

(19:52):
versus beating up the road andyour work ethic and in your
ability.
I wish it was like I don't sayold days, but yeah sure, I mean
10 years ago.

Speaker 8 (20:03):
I wish you could had done that then because I think
you'd already be ahead of whereyou are.
There's no doubt.
I mean he, he was.
He's been light years away umahead of these, not that you're
not going to get there.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yeah, no, but the frustration is real though the
frustration is real, you know,I've been in a van and trailer
for like 10 years, um, but youknow, you see, all this now's
everything's you know tiktok andinstagram and stuff and like,
and I'm here for it.
In terms of like, I thinkthat's a great tool that can be
utilized and, and, but that also, uh, opens a door for new

(20:39):
artists to skip a lot of steps.
Amen, and I've watched itfirsthand and it's like there is
no substitute for getting outand playing the clubs and
learning how to be sofrustrating for you, for me,
which is probably why when you?

Speaker 8 (20:52):
see that, that these TikTok artists get big.
And they just here.
You are light years away aheadof them.
Live and as far as your chopsgo, but you're seeing it happen,
though.

Speaker 5 (21:06):
You're seeing like it's got to be frustrating.
You're seeing new artists comeout with a hit and you don't
hear from again.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
It's happening, yeah or they're not ready.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
Our new artists will come out, have a hit, and then
you won't, they'll disappear andit's, it's.
It's happening a lot.
You, you don't want that either.
You want the staying power.
But I think, getting With anartist like you, timing, timing,
like just the right time, theright song.

(21:34):
You know you'll, it's gonnahappen.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
You know, I've always just done what I did, well,
done what I do, so I neverreally chased anything.
You know, as someone was likeman, let's do it how you know,
let's do like a Morgan Wallenthing as a writing session, and
I was like you can't do Morganbetter than Morgan, like that's
not what you know, and but pointis like I've never, I've always
just, and I've like evolved andpushed it a little bit here and

(21:58):
there, and I think that's, Ithink that's fantastic for an
artist to evolve in that way,but I'm not going to go out and
chase something that somebodyelse is doing because that's
working like I'm going to dowhat I do that's that's the best
way to be unique and stand outis to be yourself and do what
you do.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
That's right.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
And I don't think a lot ofpeople get that, which is why
you see some people that are oneand done or whatever.
It's like they're just notbeing genuine to who they are
and it's such a.
You know, I love your story,perseverance, all that because
people think you know, oh, yougot a record deal.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
You're rich and famous right.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
I mean, that's just what kind of happens.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
I'm worth $5 million on Google.
Yeah, it worked.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
I saw that and I think I got to talk to him about
this.
You're really monetizing thoseplaces, aren't you?
Damn on y'all.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
Hey, man, that's awesome.
Yeah, I didn't know that.
Hey, and did?

Speaker 2 (22:52):
I didn't know that.
Did you go to Belmont?
Did you graduate?

Speaker 5 (22:55):
from there, I transferred in there.
Yeah, I'm still paying for it.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
And so wasn't it one of your instructors or
professors that sent some ofyour music to Sony?

Speaker 3 (23:03):
To Sony.
That's how it first happened.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
I always think that's interesting because people are
always wondering, like, how doyou make it, how do you get the
published deal, record deal andall that.
And it's interesting that evenfor me, I went to Belmont.
I was actually there today, um,for the celebration of life for
Ben Vaughn, which is an amazingservice you know amazing,
amazing guy and buddy and and ahuge, huge impact.
But but such a um, such a movinguh celebration of life service

(23:29):
is awesome and but I was theretoday and I thought about you
going to Belmont too and thenthat professor sending your
music and you getting that dealand it's kind of the same for me
Graduating itself.
The diploma didn't really getyou where you're going, but
going to Belmont and meetingdifferent people and stuff like
that is something that set youon your way.

(23:51):
So I thought it was kind ofcool we had that similarity a
little bit that we utilized notthe diploma but but belmont
itself no doubt to get to musicrail, which is just a couple
blocks over, you know for sure.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
No, I think fan 100, and I think too like being out
in the field so you learn moredoing it than you do in a
classroom.
But usually we utilize belmontfor other things other than that
, you know but how many showsyou doing this year?
We're about to be out allsummer, man that's great yeah
that's the only way to do it,god, yeah

(24:26):
that's I'm a I love being on theroad man.
I remember nights at belmontlike I would stay up at night
trying to figure out how to geton the road.
Formed a band, rented a vanuntil I could buy one and we'd
play every place you couldimagine on the weekends, just

(24:47):
because I was fixated on.
I'm a live guy and I likewriting songs, but I belong more
on stage than I do writingevery day strictly.

Speaker 8 (24:58):
It's the cool thing about Ben though Let me chime in
here he's not one of theseartists that's like I've got to
write everything.
I've got to be a writer oneverything.
I mean, if he finds something,he'll cut it, and there's not a
lot of them left.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
Well, some of the biggest artists in our genre
have taken that that's right.
Not a lot of the newer artistsdo, but the bigger you know
established ones.
That was the MO Best song wins,that's it, and if not, it's an
ego thing.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
I would only want to cut my?
Who gives a shit?
Dude, cut the best song thereis.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
Nobody cares.
They forget these young guys,not you, the other young guys.
They forget that the people inthe crowd yeah, as far as
they're concerned, you did.
Jason albine wrote all thosesongs.

Speaker 8 (25:46):
Those are his songs.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
They could care less who wrote them that and that's
what it's supposed to be like.
The artist is supposed to cutsongs that it feels like they
wrote.
Yeah, but you're right.
Do you want some publishingmoney or do you want a big old
live nation touring contract?

Speaker 4 (26:00):
yeah, when you go see aerosmith and they play miss a
thing, you're not thinking theycouldn't diane warren, oh yeah
you're going to aerosmith.

Speaker 5 (26:07):
Yes, I wish more young guys were, were like you.
I mean that that's.
That's the thing.
Like, you have everything ittakes to be successful and it's
like it's going to get there.
But you deserve to get there,like the work ethic and the
ability and the want to and thesmarts.
We've talked about this.

(26:28):
You've come out and hung out onthe road before.

Speaker 7 (26:30):
I don't know about the smarts.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Well the smarts.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
Even that's the most basic form of being willing to
cut songs that maybe you didn'twrite.
Yeah, because the only peoplethat care about that are on
music grow and really I meanhonestly, like that's, cut a hit
song, go play it and own it andtour on it, have it hit no
doubt you know, but uh, but yeah, being you know, you know the

(26:54):
poorest we've ever been is whenwe had a record deal that you
don't get poor.
Then when you, when you firstkneel, it's the same thing Like
when you you know artists yougot a song out like you're going
in the hole.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Oh man Big time oh live in the home.
But it sounds so trying to getmy ass out.
You know what I mean.
But it's a trip.
It does sound so cool.
If you got, you got a recorddeal, that sounds amazing.
That's kind of worth somethingin itself.
Well, you think so, but like Isaid, you know, most people
don't realize.
You're a million in the holepretty quickly that's right yeah
you have to do it because youlove it it's

Speaker 1 (27:28):
too hard to do it and or it's not.
You know, yeah, you're notgonna last, but you have to do
it.
That's what I've been in townforever, but I do because I love
making music, I love playinglive, and you know, it's never
like about, that's the thing.
It's dangerous climbing aladder, man.
That ladder never ends, yeah,you know.
So it's a I.

(27:49):
I find myself, uh, nowadayslike kind of enjoying where I'm
at and always pushing it.
I mean, I'm pushing it everysingle day but not missing where
I'm at and always pushing it.
I mean I'm pushing it everysingle day but not missing where
I'm at, because it's dangerousto live on what's next, what's
next, what's next, and you misswhat.
You know, everything that gotyou to this point.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, and that's why it's important to get married
before, like like you get arecord deal, then go ahead and
lock her in and kudos to youwith Monica.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
She's lovely.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
K-Lo is one of the funniest guys I ever met.
I'm not lying.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
He really is.
We talk about it a lot.

Speaker 8 (28:27):
He gets a little looser on here, he starts
getting great K-Lo.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
you're the man.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
K-Lo, you're the man.
I don't know.
He is the man.
Let's take a break, hey, butactually we do need to take a
break.
But before we do that, I wantto talk about this.
You were talking about being onthe road and one of the coolest
things that I think you do andhave done.
I'm not sure if you still do it, but let me know, you do these
state prisons and you do thisthing every year.
Right, you go do this thing andyou do this thing every year.
Right, you go do this thing.
I know you're doing it inPennsylvania.
I'm not sure if you do it inTennessee, but talk about that,

(28:58):
because that's one of thecoolest things that you do.
It's just awesome.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
No thanks, man.
I did it for 10 years, wow, andI don't do it anymore.
It was all in Pennsylvania.
A friend of mine by the name ofChris Hall worked at a state
prison in Pennsylvania and in2011 he said hey, man, I got
this wild idea everything aboutbringing in music at the state
prison.
You ever think about coming inand playing?
I was like hell.

(29:23):
No.
I just yeah went in that firstyear solo acoustic brought my
own speakers, mackie thumps.
Remember those oh yeah broughtthose in 250 inmates.
In the gymnasium I played, youCould have Heard a Pin Drop.
It was unbelievable and itspread to all the other state

(29:44):
prisons.
So my phone started ringing offthe hook with these other state
prisons.
They didn't want to have mecome play, so I started to do a
tour of it and I've played aboutall of them.
I could tell you some crazystories, but it's like you're
playing to guys that areprobably in the lowest spot in
their life they've ever been.
I'm playing a heartbreak songand I'm watching a guy in the
front that's bawling.

(30:04):
There's a dude that's come inin a wheelchair.
He's been in there for life.
This ain't county jail, this isstate max security.

Speaker 5 (30:11):
No shit.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
And a dude.
I've yeah shit, that's yeah, um.
And dudes.
I've told this story a coupletimes.
This dude comes up afterwards.
I get to talk to some of themand he said hey, man, I gotta
tell you I've been in here for20 years and I hate country
music, but those songs justchanged my whole outlook on life
and you want make me want to bea better person and chase my
dream when I get out of herereal soon.
Yeah, as an artist and a writer.
That's the reason you do itright to connect with, to have a

(30:40):
connection like that with alistener and like do a lyric and
a melody and like I'll getmessages all the time from guys
that have since got out, um, orfamily members and said hey, I
talked to so-and-so on the phonelast week.
I haven't heard him that happyin 10 years.
You took him out of prison for90 minutes and it's like, wow,

(31:04):
yeah, that's so cool.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
So it's just a straight-up ministry, then that
you're doing.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, Well, I don't do any more, but yeah, it was.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
Don't upset any of them.
So when they get out we call itthe oh shit button yeah
seriously there's

Speaker 1 (31:18):
a language on there and before the show they'll say
like, hey, man, you know you'renot really a threat, but like
you never know what you know,you can't forget where you're at
yeah, yeah and if anything goesdown like which it could have,
like you're gonna run into thatroom right there, it
automatically locks and youpress that button and and alerts
all the guards on the wholestate prison to come down, and
it was like that brings backthis one guy and he's like you

(31:41):
never would have known and he'slike so we were talking guitars,
totally normal, like what Ithought.
You know guard comes up to meafterwards he says hey man, I'll
talk to that dude.
He's killed six people and it'slike there's a line.
It's a dangerous line becauseI'm not in there to judge, but
you know they're doing time andthey're in there for a reason.

(32:03):
But you also can't forget whereyou're at right, where's that,
it's like, can trip you out alittle bit.
And you're walking down thehalls and it looks like what you
think it would look like.
And here's all the guys and I'mwalking down with my guitar and
everybody's lined up andthey're you know, they're on
their suits and stuff in thisratty hallway and I'm in there
by myself.

(32:23):
It's like it's a little bit ohshit, you know, but sure I'm in
there doing a thing and theylook forward to it year after
year it's great, you do it, it's.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
It's fantastic.

Speaker 5 (32:31):
It's great because because what you said, like a
song you play or the way youplay it, or the way you sing it
might change their outlook, evenfor a short time.
That's just it, you know I meanso that's great, great.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
That's incredible, it is incredible.
You know, we get to go out andplay for people that are there
to see us or buy a ticket, man,and you're, that's, that's a
hard show, dude.
And then you're like tolly saideven if you're just changing
the one person's life, dude,that's enough.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
That's absolutely no doubt I've learned a lot of
things actually doing thoseshows, because there is no other
guitar player, there's no,there's no tech, I'm by myself,
you know.

Speaker 7 (33:05):
So you go tech Hold on Tell me Could never do that.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
They.

Speaker 7 (33:11):
We're out Zero.

Speaker 8 (33:12):
Can't do it.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much.
I'm out of here.
I have no idea, Ben.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
Tech slash bodyguard.
That's great man.
That's inspiring why you're BenGallagher, Ben MacGallagher and
then, you did the watermelontrick.

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Speaker 3 (35:14):
We got ben gallagher here man.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Uh, he's got that guitar we're gonna have to talk
about, uh, the lick that wentviral.
This is a man's riff, yeah dude, a grown man's country riff is
what this is.
Uh, from what I understand, itwas 35 million views across
socials and all that, and youhave people like even peter
frampton talking about howawesome this was.

(35:38):
Dude, I mean, how did thishappen?

Speaker 1 (35:42):
so wild man, I'm telling you get up a little
closer absolute.
This riff was a huge blessing.
Man, you'll get this kurt as aguitar player.
We come up with riffs all thetime, yeah, and they can get
away from you and it's like yourphones are filled with all of
us are all kinds of differentideas and guitar riffs and bass
lines and it's like that one gotaway from me.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
I wrote it five years prior to posting it and I just
had forgot about it and was itlike an exercise riff, or was it
like hey, I'm gonna use thisone day, you know, because joe
walsh talks about life in thefast lane dude, dude, dude, dude
, dude?
That was just like an exercisething for him and he was playing
it, yeah, and the guys werelike what the hell's that dude.
We need to put it in the song.

(36:25):
So was your riff like that, ordid you always think you know
this could be part of a song?

Speaker 1 (36:31):
I don't know that it was just something I was messing
around with and I played,played it for a while and I was
like, man, this thing feelspretty cool.
And then I just, I don't know,I moved on from it and I would
sound check and play it a coupletimes and then years had gone
by and I was floating through myphone and I came across it.
I was like, oh man, I forgotabout this, this is cool.
And it came right back to meand I was like I got it down and

(36:53):
then I was like I'll just throwthis up on uh instagram and I
didn't think anything of it.
I wasn't looking at the numbersor nothing.
I thought it sounded cool, Iposted it and seven days went by
and all of a sudden myinstagram starts lighting up.
I mean insane, what the freakis going on here?

(37:15):
That riff is getting seriouswings and there's thousands of
comments.
Song title, question mark what'sthe song title?
I called neil, who produces mystuff with his cousin patrick,
and I'm like you've got to seethis.
This thing's going completelybananas.
And, uh, we got to write label.

(37:35):
Wanted this thing's goingcompletely bananas.
And we got to write Label.
Wanted to write us a song,write a song to it, which we
were going to anyways.
And so we wrote Stomp and thetitle came to be because the
caption on Instagram was bootstomping, because I was keeping
time with my boot on a pedalboard case doing the thing.
So that goes on and I was like,well, maybe I got lucky with

(38:00):
all the algorithm bullshit, younever know.
So I was like I'm going to postit again, and that one went to
8 million.
The first one went to 7 millionand every time I got posted it
kept going viral and viral andviral.
And it was a huge blessing andwild that even a short piece of
music with no lyric can stillmake a lot of people feel a

(38:24):
certain way.
You know, and that's the coolthing about music is like dude
play.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
That riff, I love it.
Then I have a question for you,okay, yeah play the riff.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Hey, play the riff and maybe we'll go viral.
No, no, let's hear it, becausethere's 35 million people have
heard it, but let's hear thisthing, man.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
There we go.
Come on flawless, come on dude.
Wow, now that art.
On the 50 second take that's,you know, that's perfect dude,
that's so what I love about that.

Speaker 5 (39:16):
It reminds you of, like back in the day you're
playing playing sessions ofdemos here.
Yeah, like music like that,like corn floss.
How to you know play thoseriffs like that jt, and oh man,
that's really awesome.
Have you thought about you know, when that went viral, did it
cross your mind like maybe likea guitar instrumental project,
like an ep?

(39:36):
That I mean it obviouslyconnected to what you played.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
I mean that's crazy, maybe that's a great idea I
think so I've never thoughtabout doing that 20, you're
gonna have the idea.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
But seriously though it's, it's a very like niche
thing but like maybe you tappedinto something, you know that
there's a little side hustle offthe artist thing, so the song
was called Stomp, so that youended up recording to that right
, neil.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
You wrote that with him.
Is that right?

Speaker 7 (40:10):
me and Wendell, yeah, as Neil would say I don't
remember getting the, as neilwould say I don't remember I
live nine miles away no, that'sawesome, it's really.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
Who else?

Speaker 8 (40:27):
who else it was, and patrick and pat.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, that's right that's right.

Speaker 8 (40:31):
I still don't ever think of pat on the song yeah,
yeah, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
I still never think of pat on song.
Yeah, yeah, that's right, it'sa great man.
We did something cool becauseit um, there was a lot of guitar
players that were commenting onit, you know, they wanted to
learn how to play it.
So I was like, well, hey, um,I'm a taylor guy and I got with
them and said, hey, would y'allwant to do a special edition
taylor, the stomp taylor.
And, um, we're going to give itaway to somebody, but we're
going to do a contest.
I'm going to do a slow-downtutorial on how to play the riff

(41:01):
.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
What a great idea.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
And open it up to submissions.
And then, just yeah, they hadto tag me and Justin Ostrander
because I did it with him, heplayed on the session with us
and Taylor, and then they could,there was hundreds, so we got
to watch them.
But you know, watch them, butyou know it's, did you do that
oh?
yeah, that's awesome we did thisthing and the guy that won, he
was fantastic.
Well, he lived in.
You know he did not live in theUS, I forget where he lived,

(41:27):
but it cost like $800 to shootthe guitar when the label was
not happy.
So now we'll do.
We do some more contests stillto this day, and now they're and
I was like he was the best one.
I mean, he was the best one, no, dad had to go to him.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
He was.
He crushed it.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
He was the only one that like because it's pretty.

Speaker 5 (41:49):
The picking pattern is pretty intricate yeah, that's
a classic label move, thoughyou you know they'll blow $800
on a dinner that no one caresabout, but they refuse to have a
worldwide thing.
Go on, you know, that's wherethey draw the line.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
I told them.
I was like there's peopleplaying and posting this riff
all over these crazy countries.
I was like it's awesome.
Us only we don't want to payfor that.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
That's fucking business.
I'll tell you what it is agreat riff man.
Thanks man, it's still going.

Speaker 8 (42:21):
I mean, it's still blowing up.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
It just went.
The other day Some guitar pagescreen recorded the original
post and posted it and it went.
It's like the gift that keepson giving the whole year long
Dude.
That's great man.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
So talk about the other songs on the project.
Right now you have a songBullet Out like this whole side
of the table right?
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Oh, I didn't know we were going to talk about that.

Speaker 8 (42:45):
Go ahead, oh, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Go ahead, ben, you got to talk about that, hey man,
no, it was my title.
We were writing with ChrisAugust and he writes for Brett
James, an awesome guy.
He's actually an artist himself.
Anyway, we were just scanningthrough all your ideas and I
just called Bullet and we juststarted talking about it and

(43:12):
take a bullet for you and allthat it's just a love song.

Speaker 5 (43:15):
Great song Tough love song.
Great song.
Ne needs a little bit betterbass line, but that was out of
my control.

Speaker 7 (43:21):
I let you tell me I would have called you.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Okay, kaylo did play the bass, but you know neil was,
he was producing and he said no, he wanted a different bass,
but no, but anyway.

Speaker 8 (43:33):
But chris aug.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Chris August had this great melody to it and
everything but very old school.
And I remember when he playedit for Neil, because it was an
old school organ, it soundsnothing like the cut, you know.
And then, anyway, he played itfor Neil and then he said he may
change a few things, you know.
That's okay.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
It's fine with us Just cut it.
I don't care.
He put the kneel on it and it'slike he did his thing, man,
yeah, and it's like you took itover the top big time.

Speaker 8 (44:01):
We left it open too.
It's my first thing out writingfor these two yo-yos over here,
everybody at this table.

Speaker 5 (44:09):
No see, that's why we all posted it.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Everybody at this table is interested in that
thing.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
I appreciate that big time you know what's
interesting about that song?
For me, it's got a cool like90's rock thing to it though,
too, which I really like.
I don't know if you meant to dothat or anything, but it's very
cool what were you guysthinking when you were thinking
about the production of thatsong?

Speaker 8 (44:32):
well, we rewrote the second verse.
Did we?
Did it have a bridge and wetook it out?
Yes.
You don't like bridges.
Neal.
There was a bridge.
There's no bridge, Neal.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
The second verse was just softer.
You know like it was too.
It had the dad in there andeverything, and it was just
softer.
And then Neal got a hold of itand just made it it, and then
Neil got a hold of it and justmade it better for the title.
It was more direct to it and itwas tougher.

Speaker 8 (44:57):
And the way the original version that I heard he
was singing it.
I take a bullet for you.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah, he changed the phrasing of the bullet.

Speaker 8 (45:08):
It was just little phrasing things.
Maybe a few notes here andthere.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
Really, good though, and that's what I mean, that
that to me is a radio hit, youknow, and it's like I.
I miss the days when um, a stata and our staff and the label
head will say you know, we'regoing to radio with that thing.
Yeah, you know, we're gonna letit see if it grows some legs
instead of instead of putting itout the dsps and we'll see what

(45:34):
it does.
But those numbers can easily bemanipulated.
And what something does?

Speaker 4 (45:41):
and doesn't do.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
And so it's really we're taking the power of the
listener away.
For all they know, bullet couldresearch through the moon at
radio Research, their favoriteword.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
I know Researching.

Speaker 5 (45:58):
But it's great.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Don't give it a shot though.
That's just it, and it's like,yeah, I could.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Well, this movie, as one of four writers on it, and
having a 16-month-old baby, howis it doing?

Speaker 7 (46:13):
I haven't heard anything.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
I couldn't wait for the tonight, just to get the
report and, uh, I think you needto call the label for the label
.
Okay, all right that's right,that's right.

Speaker 8 (46:22):
It was their pick for the single.
I had other picks, but I'm likethat's a good pick too.
I thought there was a when youhave a handful of songs that you
can put out first, you knowit's a powerful song.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Yeah, I mean it is, and I said this in a live show.
If you've ever loved anybody atall, you can relate to that
song, yeah and so the ep iscalled bullet as well.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
And when can we expect that, or is it out?

Speaker 1 (46:47):
yeah, the ep came out with with the bullet drop and
we're about to go into cut uh atthe of the month which I'm
fired up.
Nobody gets me musically morethan Neil.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
That's what you need.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
Yeah, Well, I mean seriously, not to toot Neil's
horn, but like you know, I thinkthere's a power to having a
veteran in the business, a greatsongwriter, great singer.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Like you need that, like you know it comes down to
songs and you know it's nice tohave that.
No, big time.
I mean, I owe so much to him.
I always said like a sign of agreat producer is when they pull
something out of an artist thatthe artist didn't know they had
in them and they make theartist the best that they can be

(47:31):
on tape, best that they can beon tape.
I told him he would hate me atthe end.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
The first time we ever cut.
I still do well, and this iskind of love.

Speaker 8 (47:38):
Yeah, it was mainly for vocal style.
I was like you're gonna, whenwe do start doing vocals, you're
gonna hate me.
So this is, this is perfect,right here this is good.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
So.
So because we were talkingabout even, I think, our last uh
show about co-writing with neiland sometimes yeah, so so you
can.
You can say, you know, you feellike you've got something and
you're about to say something,and he'll stick out his hand and
go shh, shh, shh, shh.
That means, no matter what youhave, I've got something better.
So my question to you is in thestudio, as a producer, what's

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it like?
Because I've seen him demoingsongs and stuff and he's cool
and talking to players.
He says, yeah, that sounds good, or maybe pick it up a little
bit.
What's it like cutting a recordin there, because I hadn't seen
that with Neil.
What's it like?

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Well, I'll tell you this I'm upstairs at Pat's
studio and he's downstairs withPat.
This is no shit.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Language.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
With a baseball bat hitting the top of the rafter.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
when I'm not hitting the note right, I can see that,
that's amazing, that is so clearto see what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (48:41):
That's amazing.
I'm not an asshole.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
No, he gets a little Tommy Tuff nuts with me up there
.
I love it.

Speaker 8 (48:48):
It's just to lighten the mood a little bit.
You know, lighten up the mood alittle bit.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
I can tell you what when I hear back the final, you
know it's hard because he'sright every time about it.
You know, and I don't buck him,you know, I trust him
completely.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
Like Tully said, I mean Neil.
I mean we've been having fun,but he is A a pro and he's one
of the most talented people thatwe all know.
I mean you are lucky to havehim and it's incredible.
We can't.

Speaker 8 (49:18):
I have to.
You know, I couldn't do thiswithout Patrick.

Speaker 7 (49:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (49:23):
Because you know my cousin Patrick Thrasher, because
he's like I mean he's a monster, yeah.
Even he's not just a mix guy,not just an engineer, this dude,
I mean, he has changed thedirection of some songs that
we've done that.
I did not hear.
I'm like what and I want to.

(49:43):
At first I go, we can't do that, you know, and then we do it
and I'm like, oh shit, he wasright, yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
Patrick, that is Patrick.

Speaker 5 (49:53):
That's part of the DNA, that's it.
And you, as an artist, thefirst thing that happens when
things aren't happening quicklyis like oh, it must be
production, or it must be.
This the most important lessonas an artist, if you're
comfortable and you think theproducer's getting the best out
of you, there's no, just staythe course.

(50:14):
It's timing, it's the songs,it's whatever, but like it's.
you know, if you, if you'recomfortable, because the label
loves that, oh, it must be theproduction, it's yeah, that's as
old as time as they'll blame orblame anything, whether it's in
production or it wasn't songsyeah never songs, but I think
it's important like just keepdoing what feels good I already

(50:37):
told ben.

Speaker 8 (50:38):
I was like I'm like you know, if this next ep
doesn't doesn't work, I'm likeyou know who the first one to
get fired is right, it's alwaysthe producer but you know what I
told him.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
That's not happening now there's something.

Speaker 5 (50:53):
There's something to that, though.
Even Jason, there were timeswhen we were in a slump and
they're like well, jason, maybeit's production.
Here's my team.
I feel comfortable with thisteam.
It's just timing.
Maybe it's a little bit of thelabel dropping the ball, or all
of it, maybe it's all the labeldropping the ball, yeah, or all

(51:13):
of it, maybe it's all the labeldropping the ball.
So you know, but if you'recomfortable, that's the biggest
thing I'd go to war with neonneon path studio.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I mean, there's nothing that's the recipe for
success.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
It's just, it's coming you know, and now it's on
tape so you can't take it backand we never edit anything.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Never See.
What's fun to me is Neil's somelodic and when I'm doing the
overdub solos and intro riffs,if I'm like, even if I'm not
hung up on something, he'llstart humming a melodic line and
then I'll do it.
So me and Pat and Neil are awell-oiled machine and for an

(51:54):
artist that's a huge deal,because some guys go their whole
career and still don't findthat right match.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
Well, if you know who you are as an artist, that's
the biggest key.
You find that out when thingsaren't going well.
That's when you find out whoyou are.
When it's not going well, it'slike okay, well, well, here's
what I do.
Well, maybe what I do well.
Maybe now is not the exact time, but I know this is what I do
and it's just getting throughthat and seeing your way through

(52:23):
it, versus trying to change towhat you think someone wants you
to be blow down or what works,you know, because that that will
definitely.
Kurt says it all the time Ifyou're not authentic, then the
listener sees right through that.

Speaker 8 (52:41):
Luckily, the label still believes in us.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
We'll see.
Benny's been a huge believer.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
He believes in you.

Speaker 8 (52:55):
He believed in.
Al Dean was people don't know.
It's like the same guy that'sheading up ben's label was the
head of the label that jasonstarted.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
That's who gave jason really without without benny
yeah, I mean, none of us arehere yeah, benny brown was the
head of bbr when jason gotsigned ben's working and he's
passionate about Ben.

Speaker 8 (53:15):
Yeah, I have the utmost respect for Benny.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
Brown yeah, great, benny gave us our first break at
producing no kidding.
Oh yeah, after breaking withJason and earning his trust in
that way, benny started lettingus produce.
We produced those TompkinsSquare albums and he gave us the
keys to the car for a while.
We produced six or seven actsover there.

(53:37):
So he is a loyal believer intalent and what people bring to
the table.

Speaker 8 (53:47):
And everybody at this table has a song on the next
session.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
Wow, nice.
Which one Love hearing that?
That?
Which song love is hard.
Oh, it's a good song.
You know, that is a.

Speaker 5 (54:01):
We are cutting the bass line I played on the.
Yeah, send it over.
I'm going to recreate thatmagic so remember that title and
um that's a good one and I'mcutting.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
You don't have to tell Myers why not, cause I
always get weird about titlesyou do?

Speaker 8 (54:17):
yeah, it's just called.
Where do you go?

Speaker 2 (54:19):
yeah, just don't tell him just don't tell him how we
hook it yeah, and it's out there.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Yeah, if we're so old school like that dude, all
these new artists, they post thesong they wrote today and they
put it on there oh yeah, it'sjust, we're old I see it we are.

Speaker 8 (54:37):
They post their writing sessions, the audio of
their writing sessions, out onsocials for the world to hear,
like when it's brand new, it's ababy we are a bunch of old men
I'm like well, I would never dothat ever I call that burning
songs let's talk about eaglescouts.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
Oh no, bring it, flip it.
Let's go flip that question fory'all.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
So I know in the show I mean you guys have so many
hits now it's hard probably toeven get them in on your.
How long is the show?

Speaker 4 (55:12):
It's an hour and a half.
We do 20.
How many songs do we?

Speaker 5 (55:15):
do we do 27 songs with almost no talking to?

Speaker 4 (55:19):
get.
That's a lot, it is a lot.
He doesn't talk much at all and, as you've read the news lately
, he just had his 30th numberone and that didn't count in
some of the ones that were two,five, seven.
You know, yeah, there's a lotof hits not being played.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
Yeah, we have to leave some out, we don't have
enough time, but yeah, I mean,these days it's 27 cram-packed.
I bet he talks two minutes.
No, that's what we always tryto do, though, is like just play
the hits At this point you knowfor us.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
So this is my question and I get that you
gotta play your hits.
Do you ever have and y'allwould never do this but do you
ever have times where it's likeman, I'd sure love to play Back
in the Cigarette album cuts,texas, some of those deep album
cuts that weren't singles likebut, and you never, you'd never

(56:10):
blow out one of the big hits.
You know, you guys, I get that.
But do you ever have timeswhere you're like man, I
freaking, I love that song, wishwe could play it live we did
have some of those conversations.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
It's funny you started to mention texas, was
you?
That was one of the songs thatwe put in the set, just because
jason loved it and we'd play it,uh, but we don't do it much, or
we can't now because there's Iget it, you know, just there's
hits to play.

Speaker 5 (56:39):
We spent years and you this is fun to talk about
because I think when you'rebuilding a set list every year
in different parts of yourcareer, when hicktown was at 40
or 39 and climbing, you know westarted with it, played it in
the middle and did an 18 minuteversion at the end.
That's not, that's true.
So and then we had you knowwhat, why comes out and we had a

(57:02):
hit.
And so all of a sudden you'rebut you were, we spent years
building a set list with onlytwo, three hits and we get the
four hits.
And then at this point, like,honestly, I think we use the all
the years like going to shows,like I try to go as many shows
as I possibly can my whole lifeas a listener.
I remember going to hear tompetty and all these people I

(57:24):
love and I always wanted to hearthe song.
I didn't want to leave therenot hearing the song.
I loved, I think, jason's.
As much as we would like toplay some b-sides, is it for us?
Doing something just for usdoesn't seem as important as
doing something for the crowdthat comes back every year.
We've been on the road 20something years now and they're

(57:45):
still coming and it's like thisyear we put in.
We put in y again, which wehaven't played in over 10 years.
Really old version of it how'sit go over?
great right, and we have.
We have so much fun with itbecause it's been so long since
we played it it's it's new toyou guys yeah, it's it's fun to
do that, but I always like it'sprobably new to the crowd too.

Speaker 8 (58:07):
I mean, yeah, you know, they know the song they're
like.
Oh god, I remember this one,you know they lose their mind
over it.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
so so it's like and all of us are real cautious
about making sure like if wewere out there, what would we
want to hear?
And we're still leaving so manyout.
You know, we're still notplaying everything, so there's
some songs that just aren't inthere, that you know it's tough
to leave out.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
I think it might have been Paul McCartney that said
this in some interview.
It's talking about what songshe plays.
How does he pick out of all thehits and everything he goes?
I usually play the hits Everynow and then I'll play something
new so they get time to go geta beer and go to the bathroom.
He said, as soon as he playssomething new, they're gone.

Speaker 5 (58:47):
Gone.
Well, you know what'sinteresting these days which
this is what I really miss mostabout albums and records being
released in a normal album cycle.
So tough crowd.
The song we wrote.
You know the last album, lovethat song, great song.
So in the old days, like if ifwe put an album out and it was

(59:08):
in stores and bought and peoplelisten to an album, tough crowd,
you know, we, we opened theshow with it, great song.
It never had the impact itdeserved because people don't
absorb the albums like they usedto.
So that's a great point so it'sharder to build a set now like
that, because we used to be ableto put a song in a b-side in,

(59:32):
but we knew they listened to it.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
Yeah if you put in anything from the my kind of
party record, it went over thesame as a single because that
thing sold four or five millionrecords you know, it's like
everybody knew every song on therecord but no one's really
absorbing albums like they usedto.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
Where I remember I couldn't wait to listen to an
album you know, so I wish you Ikind of missed that where I can
tell where we started the showwith Tough Crowd.
What a great opening song andpeople they liked it, but it
didn't connect like it wouldhave had it been people buying
the album and going to get them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Well, people are pumping out so much music now
all the time well, there's no,there's no.

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
Um, as soon as they listen to it, it's old.
Yeah, you know, you put, youput x amount of songs out and
one week later, like when we getmore music.
Well, you know, yeah, took aminute to create that yeah so
it's, it's.
Uh, the attention span isdefinitely, you know, lacking.
So when you build your set list, that's so, do you?

(01:00:38):
Do you have some covers youplay to?
At this point, still do acouple covers we're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Yeah, if I'm doing like a 75 or a 90, I'll have a
handful of covers in there.
That I'll kind of what are someof the covers you do I do uh,
I'm just telling neil this I douh old time rock and roll.
Oh yeah, it's one of my jams,but in the middle of it drummer
kind of brings it way down andI'll start doing this lead bit

(01:01:04):
because I'm three.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
I'm doing a lot of three-piece stuff right now so
it's just, you're covering someground, I like, like it dude.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
So anyways, I'll go into Sharp Dressed man.
Get down, get down, get downand then go right into Life in
the Fast Lane riff and then I'llgo into Layla by Clapton and
then find my way back into OldTime.
But I like doing that stuff andthe crowd loves it and it's

(01:01:33):
familiar.
But I'll do, uh, take it easy,uh, the eagles.
I'll do a rocked up version ofold red um and then like that
cool I was doing liza jane for aminute, just for a little, it's
like about the only really thatsuper country.
You tackle some vince yeah thatsolo is a monster, yeah, people
don't realize Vince so goodyeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:56):
Dude, he's legit.
He's on tour right now.
He's still slaying.
Yeah, Tom Bruggebeck's playingwith him.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (01:02:03):
Tom's a monster.

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
Yeah, I mean he is yeah, I mean, it's a guitar town
.
It's still the best guitarplayers.
We've got one sitting righthere.
I know it.

Speaker 7 (01:02:14):
We won't play One sitting right here, no passion.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
Somebody behind me Book it back here, I think we
should ask our listeners.

Speaker 8 (01:02:24):
I think we should start a coup, start a coup With
our listeners.
Let them just light up themessage boards.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
Oh, it's definitely paywall stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:02:33):
We want Kurt to play.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
We want Fondue to start wailing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Yeah what's going on, man?

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
Oh man, this is a deep question.
You might need to put me on thecouch for it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
Here's one of my favorite things.
I remember so we were in a.

Speaker 8 (01:02:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
He's a fantastic player.

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
I tell you what this is great.
We fantastic player, I tell youwhat this is great.
We were in a rock band me, himand rich in the early 2000s,
late 90s and back in those days.
We would literally sit in thehouse and we create these crazy
songs and parts and kurt comesup with the craziest, coolest

(01:03:11):
stuff and, like he always jokesabout not having passion for the
guitar, he bleeds passion withthe guitar.
The thing about it is is likewe're absorbed you guys can
relate to this absorbed in itevery single day, and it's like
it's a blessing, but also, likeyou know, sometimes it's yeah it
never, it never ends it's a 247 job

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
our listeners want it , neil wants it.
How bad do they want it.
Do they want it for $7.99 amonth?

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
I did wonder on that, because you're playing
generally, you say 26 songs,something like that, 23?
.

Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
Yeah, 27.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Are you playing all the solos and everything pretty
much exactly like the record, asmuch as possible, and if so, is
that why you might not have thepassion for it?
Because you're not creatingsomething new each time you're,
you're playing the same thingyou've already created a long
time ago.

Speaker 8 (01:04:05):
Okay, lo, no, I'm just I'm curious.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
I think we relish playing exactly what's on the
record.

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
that's another thing we learned the most annoying
thing you can do to a fan iscome up with some terrible
version because you're bored.

Speaker 7 (01:04:21):
It doesn't matter if you're bored.

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
They're the one paying the ticket.
I always thought that was sodisrespectful to your fan base.
If you find the need tocompletely change a song around,
we're not the grateful dead no,you know, yeah, go out there
and we look, we'll do.
We'll do things inside the songto change it up per year you
know I mean, but the fansdeserve.

(01:04:44):
They're going there to hearthese songs played, like they
know them, like they can singthem.
You know I always thought thatagain, that's always learned
from.
Like, I saw tom petty 10, 11times in my life.
You know, even when I saw thepolice on the reunion tour, they
still did the stuff.
Like you, like you remember it,you know I always thought that

(01:05:06):
was yeah, no, no, I.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
the solos are just like the record.
It doesn't matter if it's adamschoenfeld that played the solo
or me, it's got to be the solothat's on the record, got to be.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
One of the things I've always loved about.
What y'all do is those songs.
Please continue, Ben.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Turn his mic up, Jim.

Speaker 7 (01:05:27):
This is paywall stuff .

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Y'all's stuff is so guitar and it's the intro riff.
As soon as those songs come on,you know exactly what it is.
Yeah well, that's not really athing anymore in country as much
rock things.
It was always a thing in rockright, it was so identifiable by
that intro riff that before youeven get to the lyrical hook,

(01:05:52):
hook.
it's a whole musical hook fromthe top.
Like Hicktown, she's countryTattoos on this town.
You know in two seconds whatthat is.
It's so identifiable and I'vealways loved that.
With what y'all do, it's kindof a dying breed in today's
country music.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
It really is, and I don't know how to.
I don't even think we probablyall of us don't know how to
create music that isn't likethat, because if it doesn't have
a hook, musical hook, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
I can't even fathom that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
Shoot we go into, it doesn't matter.
Bass part he creates a hook.
If I'm in the chorus, itdoesn't matter.
If something's going on, Ibetter create an alternate
melody, a counter hook to what'sgoing on.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
That's just the way that I think all of us think
wired and I'll give some a lotof credit to nox too on that,
because it's easy as a producerto try to interject too much.
Michael's a great producer.
He's a great song guy.
His magic tool is that ifsomething feels good to him,

(01:07:00):
then it is good.
But he gives us also thefreedom to come up with those
hooks.

Speaker 7 (01:07:10):
You can't have enough of them.

Speaker 5 (01:07:11):
You can't have enough hooks, and if something adds to
the song and makes someoneremember it, then that's a great
thing.

Speaker 8 (01:07:20):
We've already mentioned their names, both guys
, because both those guitarplayers are on the session that
we're fixing to do Bukovac andSchoenfeld.
They're the two guitar playersthat we have on this session
coming up, and if you think thatme and pat are going to go in
there, I think we have all thesebrilliant ideas about what
they're going to play.
You let them hear the work tape, because we'll play all the

(01:07:43):
work tapes live.
We may play them over, butwe'll be playing with them and
singing them live for these guys, so they can hear.
We won't play demos, really.
Yeah, yeah and just so they canuse.
You know, I'm a higher players.
For a reason.
I've always found that wheneverwe did stuff with him, if we
played, if we did a good liveversion um, right there on the

(01:08:03):
spot of the song that we weregetting ready to do, it lets
their creative thinking just.
They're not listening to whatwe think we already want it to
sound like yeah you know,sometimes, sometimes the demos
are the other way.
they need to be.
Like Love is Hard.
We're going to cut that one.
It's probably going to bereally close to that, so they'll
probably hear that one.
But on other stuff we'll playit live for them and let them do

(01:08:25):
it, and I'm not going to tellBukovac and Sean, I'm not going
to keep my mouth shut until weget going.

Speaker 5 (01:08:35):
you know, and that's I'm sure that's what Knox does
with you guys, he lets, he givesyou all the freedom to be
creative well, plus, you knowwe've talked about before and
you know it's this same crew ofguys in there for over 20 years
in the same studio, in the samechairs, when we do these Aldine
records yeah same everything.
And so there's a you know it's acomfort factor in being
comfortable.
You know which is a thing thatyou're figuring out too.

(01:08:57):
If you're comfortable with thesystem, then it's.
There's nothing wrong with that, that's right, that's working,
it's.
It's never the production, it'snever.
You know, the songs are great,production's great, it's timing.
It's like and I hate to say it,but is the label doing
everything on their end?
Because today's tough Cuttingthrough all the noise, like you

(01:09:18):
said, the other hundred maleacts that are coming out.
You know it's challenging tokind of cut through that to
really just stay the course, hey.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
So getting back to Bullet, is there a music video
for that?

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Yes, Okay, tell us, are we in it?
Well, we called you didn'tanswer.
Did you change your number?
You got my new number, bed youknow what you got?

Speaker 5 (01:09:42):
my new come on I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Yeah, the music video for bullet.
It's intense, is it out?

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
right now it's out okay, yeah, youtube, is that
where we find it?

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
yeah, oh yeah, y'all look it up.
Okay, the listeners out therecheck it out, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
It's not what you think it would be, were you
surprised K-Lo.
Talk to me.
I'm very surprised yes, really.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Well, don't be so coy .

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
In a bad way.
Assy K-Lo.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
No, I just want people to watch it.
I'm giving them teas.

Speaker 7 (01:10:15):
You didn't like it, k-lo, I didn't like it, have you
?

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
commented on it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
No, when he texted me back.
I could tell by the way hetexted me back.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
No, I gave you a little flame a little fire emoji
I gave you a little fire emoji.
I gave you a fire emoji and onemoney bag.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
I'm kind of an intense person so I was looking
for like man that was freakingbadass.
You know it's like I didn't getthat.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
I can look it up.
I think I gave you one fireemoji and one money bag.
That's pretty good, no one?
Fire emoji doesn't get it.
No, no.

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
You neededjis.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
It was late.
I was milking the babyInteresting.

Speaker 8 (01:10:57):
No, it's pretty intense, though, right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
It is intense.
I mean I didn't write thescript, but it's intense.
I don't know how much I want totalk about it, because I don't
want to give it away.

Speaker 8 (01:11:05):
No, no, no.
Let's push people there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Tell them it.
They're gonna go now.
This is.
You don't need to push peoplethere.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
Yeah, it gets intense at the end.
Okay, um does somebody?
Die surprised with the did Ijust give it away?
Did I do an?

Speaker 8 (01:11:24):
yes, I was surprised that the guy got shot you were.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Well, that wouldn't come out of baseball bats well,
it just wasn't the way that.

Speaker 7 (01:11:33):
I imagined him.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
He didn't really take .
Yeah, he took a bullet.
He took a bullet.
He's going to take a bullet,whether she was there or not.
It's the whole thing.
You know what I mean?
He's robbed the store.
I got to go watch this thingright now.
So he got shot?
Sure, but he would have gotshot whether he's with her or
not, because he robbed the store.

Speaker 7 (01:11:51):
Well, he did it for her.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
What was he doing?
Yeah, he was robbing for herFor money.
Yeah, yeah, he was trying tofeed his family.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Putting getting baby shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
I know no, I.

Speaker 7 (01:12:02):
I saw it.
The point is y'all go watch thevideo so we do.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
We need to Leave your comment on what people think of
it.
If you like it, if you don'tlike it just watch it Stir up
something here.

Speaker 8 (01:12:13):
This is fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
You didn't like there was a gun in it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
No, no, I didn't mind that.
Taylor Van Dyke guns.
Yes, there had to be.
Something happened there.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
And while you're on YouTube, leave us a comment as
well.
Right yeah, Subscribe.
Go check out Ben's socials.
He's doing pretty good.

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
Yeah, he's doing real good, and go see him live.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
You got to see Ben live, not in the prisons.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
At the regular shows.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
That's a fact.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
He is one of the best players and singers Absolutely.

Speaker 8 (01:12:43):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
I mean he's pulled the heck out of Neil.
Do you know where you'replaying?

Speaker 7 (01:12:46):
this summer.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:12:49):
Off the top of your head.
Can you name a few?
Are you going back home toPennsylvania?
No, actually.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Oh yeah, I think we're out with Brantley in
Pennsylvania.
Actually, in August we're goingto Chicago, nice, we're going
to Green Bay, we're going out toIdaho, where can they go
BenGallaghercom, or your Insta?

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
Where can they find all these dates?
Well, they're about to beannounced this week actually
Perfect, perfect timing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Yeah, so anywhere bengalhercom, instagram, tiktok,
tiktok man, that's a whole yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:13:22):
I don't even get a shot.

Speaker 8 (01:13:22):
You can't go out on the road until we're done with
the EP.

Speaker 7 (01:13:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:13:26):
I'll have you locked down for about a month.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
In the studio.
You're mine for a month andthat's when we practice our golf
game and we play neil.
The day after that thing's doneand he's been sequestered for a
month.

Speaker 4 (01:13:38):
That's when we take.
Oh, that's when we got to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Yeah, perfect hey, did you guys get to try that?
In a small town tattoos.
Yet, kurt, did you get one?

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
no, we needed to get to a million followers.
We, it was so close.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
I'm a big fan y'all, that's nice.

Speaker 5 (01:13:55):
We've got three.
They're dragging their feet,man.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
You're covered up.
He's got no spot.
I'll find room, caleb, you canuse two.

Speaker 7 (01:14:07):
You don't have any either.
Why do I get the flat?

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
He's not going to get one.
Well, Aldine was going todesign one for us.
We're waiting on the design.
Then it has to go throughapprovals.

Speaker 5 (01:14:22):
I'm still all about it.
I love that song and the moment.
It always means something.

Speaker 8 (01:14:34):
A monumental song A monumental song, a monumental
song.
Thank you, buddy.
This is really I mean y'all.
We gotta get you a monumentalsong, buddy.
That's what we gotta do.
That's the next mission anddude just coming, you gotta
you're on right now and I hopeyou're not working hard.

Speaker 5 (01:14:47):
You're such a good, good guy, and you know that we
love you.
I like keep doing it.
I know it's, I know you'refrustrated you gotta be, you
know but but it's like you're inthe game and just cutting great
music, great producer, greatsongs.
It's like you know it'll getthere yeah, frustrating what I
do, man if it was easy, everyonewould do it totally I mean you

(01:15:08):
know if I didn't love it so much, I'd have been like man, yeah,
I'm out.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
You know you have to.
I said that before you have todo it because you love it, man.
And there's, you know, wadingthrough all the, there's a lot
of politics, like in any otherindustry like any business we
talk about, there's politics ineverything.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
Yeah, so you have to navigate.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
It's like the hard thing is like I get frustrated
on things that I can't controland I have to remember, like I
can't control that.
But what I can't control istrying to write and play the
best I can, right with the giftthat I feel like I've been given
.
Right, that's what I cancontrol.
Can't control what all theother shit's going on, and I'm
pretty good man with having likehorse blinders on in terms of

(01:15:49):
like I don't get hung up on.
You know the social media man Ido.
Got on this or that dude got onlike I don't, which is good man
, it's a, it's been.
That's a blessing too, becauseI don't get like I don't have I
don't struggle with that any ofthat at all.
I just do.
I try to do what I do, you know, and just keep plowing forward.
I never had a plan b figure.

(01:16:09):
If you have a plan b man,you're already setting yourself
up for failure.
Never had a plan B Figure.

Speaker 5 (01:16:12):
If you have a plan B man, you're already setting
yourself up for failure Neverhad a plan B Never.
And I do think it's interestingbecause my son, he's in acting
and you know I always tell himlike you know, you got to get
through all the tough times buta plan B can be too easy to go
to Totally and you know, if youbelieve in yourself and what

(01:16:37):
you're here to do, then it'llhappen.
You've been working hard for along time.
Your time's coming.
I appreciate y'all.
I think love is hard might bethe one it would go.

Speaker 7 (01:16:51):
Just fast forward through Bullet.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Once you get through Bullet, just fast forward
through Bullet.
Let's not jump off Bullet yetit's not that old.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
The video Once we get through Bullet.

Speaker 5 (01:17:01):
I think we're set.
We use Bullet as a good stepand stand to an actual radio
single.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Do not sacrifice Bullet.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
All right, this has been fun.
Like I said, go check out Ben'ssocials.
He's all over.
You're in all of them, right?
All of them?
He's everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
All of them.
Thank you all for having me on.
Listen, it's an honor for me tobe here with all of y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Ben, we love you.
You're one of the most talenteddudes on the planet.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
That is.
I appreciate that big time man.
I appreciate that big time itmeans a lot coming from y'all.

Speaker 8 (01:17:32):
We'll get there man.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
We're pumped for you.
All right, don't forget aboutus either.
Go to YouTube, leave us acomment.
Go to Insta follow.
Show us some love on X.
We're trying to, you know, getour numbers up there, so go
there, show us some love.
Tiktok I think we're doing okayon TikTok, surprisingly enough.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Better if you start playing that guitar on here.
Dude on TikTok.
Surprisingly enough, better ifyou start playing that guitar on
here, gary.

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
We're using that lick of yours and we're going to see
if we can juice our socials.
That's what I'm talking aboutSeriously, ben, thank you so
much for being here For Ben.
For Thrash K-Lo TK.
I'm Kurt Bondu.
Cheers fellas.

Speaker 7 (01:18:14):
We're at the Patriot Mobile Studios.
This is the Try that in a SmallTown podcast Ben.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
Thank you brother, thank you buddy.

Speaker 6 (01:18:21):
Make sure to follow along, subscribe, share rate the
show and check out our merch attrythatinasmalltowncom.

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