When Punk Rock Goes Soft and Compliant: An Offspring to a Freedom of Choice w/Pete Parada :: Ep 38 Try That in a Small Town

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I never took it personally.
Even you know things that werepersonal, like oh, we're just
going to cut you and your familyoff entirely, like you know
where a week before, everyonewas family and you know it's
like you find out that yourfamily, as long as you are doing
what you're told, and the firsttime you say no, and that was

(00:21):
the thing.
Like as a a drummer, we eatcopious amounts of shit.
My thing wasn't, you know,trying to cause problems.
I should have been able to domy job without going through
some medical procedure that Idid not need or want did they
change the lyrics to the songTully?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
or somebody, pete, get me something.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
They did they made a little video clip and they
changed the keep them.
You got to keep them separated,so you got to go get vaccinated
that is not true, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
The try that in a small town podcast begins now
from the patriot, from thepatriot mobile studios.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
We need like him doing that From the Patriot.
From the Patriot Mobile Studios.
We need like Jim doing that.
This is Try that in a SmallTown podcast, right yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
Guys, yeah, you are.

Speaker 6 (01:13):
Is that a?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
question.
No, it's a rhetorical question.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
Oh, not a word.
It's different than a regularquestion.

Speaker 7 (01:17):
This is it?

Speaker 3 (01:18):
No big words.
You went right Like questionmark.
Yeah, it's kind of like right,the English kind of talk like
that.
That's a northern thing.

Speaker 6 (01:26):
That's an Iowa thing, isn't it?
I don't know.
It's almost Canadian.
Yeah, right Do, ya Do ya,that's really not good.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
What that accent is not good.
Are we rolling?
We are definitely rolling, ohwow, but you know what we're
kind?

Speaker 3 (01:42):
of keeping the Christmas spirit going.
We've been loose for a while.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
Yeah.
Some call it loose.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Some call it drunk.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
Yeah, we've been loose.
We're not drunk.
We're not drunk, we're notdrunk.
No, I'm just joking man.
Happy New Year, all ourlisteners.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
But either accusation is fair, so tonight this is
going to be a really good one.
Tonight we have Pete Paratacoming on.
He was a drummer in theOffspring, for you know.
You said it was 14 years, wasthat right?
Yeah, about 14 years.
He's got an incredible story.

(02:14):
He was with them that long andthey let him go during COVID
because he wouldn't get thefacts.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
Let him go in a cold way.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, yeah.
I can't wait to figure this out, like I'm sure we all done a
research and it's like what I'veread and what I've heard.
It's it's pretty bad and youknow telling.
I can attest.
It's like you, you're on theroad with somebody for that long
they just are your family.
It's.
You know people say road familybut it's like you just become
family.
You know people say road familybut it's like you just become

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family.

Speaker 7 (02:51):
And to basically ghost him like that is, I can't
even unconscionable.
Yeah, and he'll go into it, butit's like he had a medical
condition that kind of preventedhim from getting that vaccine
or something.
Yeah, it wasn't like ananti-vaxxer Like, hey, I don't
want to get this because youknow it's against my religion or
anything like that, you know soyeah, yeah, I think he hadn't.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
I can't pronounce the autoimmune disorder as
something french sounding, yeahit had three, three names.
Yeah, whatever it is is aserious thing.
From what I understand, it'slike when he was a child
vaccinated it.
It caused some problems.
Anyway, it's a real interestingstory and I can't wait to get

(03:29):
to it.
So let's do it.
We've got Pete Perotta here.
Yeah, yeah, come on, pete.
Thank you, man.
Thanks for having me.
Pete, absolutely, you know wedon't have.
You're one of a few.
Usually we've known the guestor we have some kind of
relationship.
Pete, we just hit up, dm'd himand said, bro, come be on our
podcast, and he was like, sureyou must trust us.

Speaker 6 (03:50):
I assumed you guys because you know a lot of rock
guys, and I assumed y'all wereall buds.

Speaker 7 (03:53):
I did too.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Never met.
Yeah, we're never just meetingyou guys the first time, but
we're all very close.
We all live pretty similarareas.
I do too, yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Cool.
He's saying you look that cool.
I don't know.
I don't know either.
Pete's got a really great andinteresting story and you know,
sometimes I don't want to say weget lost.
But part of the mission of thispodcast started with the song
our song Drive Down to SmallTown, and I think we wanted to

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highlight people that kind ofstood up in the face of
adversity or took a stand forwhat they believe in, because
that's not easy to do.
I've heard tully say that a lotand it's it's true, it's not
easy to do.
Pete has a great story.
We're gonna get to that andpart of that.
But take us back just a littlebit.
Start us off.

(04:46):
How did you get into playingLike most, like totally could
probably back this up.
Most people that get musiciansat start you're inspired by
going to see a concert Likethat's how it happened for me.
I saw Van Halen and I was likebro, that's it Totally.
What was you?
The police?
police, you saw, that, so I sawsting and I was like never

(05:08):
forget.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
He had this like white feathered sleeveless
jacket on.
I was like, okay, that's what Iwant I want the jacket.
No, it was amazing.
Yeah, synchronicity tour.
I was a kid in montreal yeahmold, so, but it was uh yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
So, pete, what was your?
Did you have a story like that?

Speaker 1 (05:29):
yeah, I mean my uh, growing up where I did in
upstate new york was very smalltown like probably less than a
thousand people, and my dad wasa music teacher at the next town
over um of like middle school,high school band band, and so
you know, I had two olderbrothers and I watched them, you
know, pick their instrumentwhen it was time, like third

(05:50):
grade or whatever, and my oldestbrother played the clarinet and
my middle brother played thesaxophone and I didn't want to
learn all the fingerings and Ihad already been like banging
around and stuff.
So I was like, oh, I'll justpull a fast one, I'll play drums
, then it'll be easy, and thenjust kind of fell in love with
it, didn't realize like that wasgoing to be what I would do,
you know, with my life.
And um, for me, like you said,seeing the police, seeing Van

(06:12):
Halen, you know I was uh in sucha tiny town.
You know, if a band came toRochester, cool, but you didn't
get to to to see big bands veryoften where I was from, and uh,
so for me I got dragged out tosee a show from a high school
band for where my dad taught,and uh, their, their drummer

(06:34):
blew my mind like he was a yearolder than me and I I don't know
what it was with me.
You know, I would watch thesebands on mtv.
Like I grew up on hair, metaland and metallic and all that,
and I was like, oh, I couldnever play like that.
Like I had some weird hair,metal and metallic and all that,
and I was like, oh, I couldnever play like that.
Like I had some weird block,being from a small town, right
and uh.
And then I go and here's thiskid playing, exactly like the
people that I saw on TV, and itwas like like light bulb went

(06:56):
off in my head and it was like,all right, if he can do it, I
can do it.
And went home the next day andjust started practicing and like
got, and that was my focus fromthat day on, and just that one
going to see some high schoolband in a crappy little bar or
something.
It changed everything for me.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
You guys have a first concert or something that was
life-changing Van Halen.

Speaker 7 (07:22):
Was it Van Halen?

Speaker 4 (07:22):
It was Van Halen.

Speaker 6 (07:24):
Where did you see him ?

Speaker 7 (07:25):
Even though they were in Chattanooga, really.
Yeah, I don't know what year itwas, but it was called the
Roundhouse at the time.
I don't know what it's callednow.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Was it with Roth.
I mean please say yes, it hadto be.

Speaker 6 (07:36):
Yes, okay it no.
He's fantastic, I'm just saying.
I'm just saying I was like 15.
I'm not dissing, I was 14, 15.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
He's badass.
Neil, do you have a firstconcert?

Speaker 6 (07:47):
Yeah, my first concert was Bachman Turner
Overdrive Wow.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Let's go I like it.

Speaker 6 (07:52):
Taking care of business yep in Birmingham at
the Battle Auditorium.
Those are the songs I sing inthe bar bands.
But I'll never my uncle had.
You know, they have ThrasherLeasing Corporation, the bus
company, and they were like thefirst ones that had Kiss out and
ZZ Top and all that, butBachman Turner Overdrive was on
their buses.
So we got to get in for freeand I'll never forget walking in

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and the first thing I smelledit was the first time I ever
smelled pot.
I mean, it was just a cloud andI just thought that's what a
rock concert smelled like.

Speaker 7 (08:30):
I thought, that's what a rock concert smelled like
.

Speaker 6 (08:31):
I thought that's what guitar smelled like.
Amp smelled like this is thesmell of a rock concert.
Strangely drawn to it, that wasmy first one.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
So I, I was.
I love it okay.
So, pete, you have passion forthe drums, obviously.
Uh, what led you?
I know you moved to la.
Is that right, and is that kindof how things started to get
going for you?

Speaker 1 (08:47):
yeah, so the same drummer that I went to see that
night.
You know, I go home the nextday and I said to my dad I'm
like do you have a guy, a kid,in your band named mick
palmisano?
And he's like oh yeah, he's afantastic drummer.
And I was like how come you'venever mentioned him to me?
and you know, my dad was a bluntperson and he was just like,
well, Mick's very serious aboutdrums and you're kind of not.

(09:09):
So I was like, all right, fair,fair enough.
But so ended up moving to LAwith Mick.
We got to be friends and he hadmoved out cause he was a year
ahead of me.
So he graduated high school,went to LA to musicians
Institute, did the first sixmonths and kind of came home for
the summer and then I hadgotten accepted into the the

(09:32):
same school.
So we drove back out togetherat the end of the summer.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
You were legit at that time yeah, I mean I, I
gotta.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
I kind of think that there was a wide range of
proficiency at the school.
It wasn't like you were NeilPeart to get in, which was cool,
because it was like you had awhole different.
These guys would come in fromSweden and just party, because
Sweden would pay for them to goto school for a year and
whatever, and they would justrage partying all the time and

(10:03):
then come in and sight-readtheir tests and just be
shredding and all of us are justlike, oh my God, I'm in here
playing eight hours a day andyou guys are like half wasted
taking your exams.
But but it was.
It was a really greatexperience.
Like I learned a ton in a veryshort amount of time and and, um
, you know, met a lot of greatteachers there and made some

(10:25):
lifelong friends.
One of my first instructorsthere was a drummer named Ray
Luzier, who lives here now andbut um, so he plays drums for
corn.
He played for David Lee Rothfor over a decade.
Like he's one of the best rockdrummers that there's ever been.
But you know, at the time hewas just had just graduated,
started teaching cause they werepumping up their rock classes

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and so we got to be buddies.
When I graduated I ended upbeing roommates for three years
and so, um, you know, you justkind of meet people like that
and it spirals from there.
So, like once I graduated, thenRay would kick down gigs that
he was too busy for to me tokind of get me started in LA and
getting an album playing.
And you know, from there I justeventually fell into punk rock

(11:08):
by accident.
You know, I grew up on heavymetal and I didn't know anything
about punk rock.
But there was a band, thisrehearsal studio that I'd been
working at, that was auditioningdrummers and they were called
Face to Face.
And it was, they were a prettybig punk rock band in
Southernifornia and I didn't,you know, I didn't think
anything of it because I'm likeI don't play punk rock.
And then a friend of mine wastour managing them and he called

(11:31):
me like a week into the tourand he's like these guys are
auditioning drummers under yournose, what are you doing?
And I'm like, well, I don't, Idon't know punk rock, it's not
my thing.
And he's like you know, he'slike, well, they're the guy they
borrowed for this tour, they'renot keeping him, they're coming
back and doing another round ofauditions.
I put you on the list.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
What's the difference between like just give people a
real quick difference of likeplaying metal or punk rock?
What would that difference?

Speaker 1 (11:55):
be.
As I found out, there wasn'tthat much of a difference, but I
just I was unfamiliar with itbecause it just was never my
thing.
Where I grew up we had top 40radio or if you were in the
right part of town you couldpick up the rock station from
Rochester an hour away.
But there really wasn't a lot.
And so MTV was a big dealbecause that's where I was

(12:17):
exposed to so many differentartists, and especially in the
early to mid 80s they neededcontent.
So if you had a band and youmade a video, they were going to
play it right.
So you, you saw all kinds ofstuff, but you didn't really see
any punk rock and stuff, so Ijust was never exposed to it, it
wasn't my thing.
But then once so the band comesback off the road and puts their
gear in their room and I justsnuck in and stole their live cd

(12:38):
because I didn't have any moneyto go.
You know, buy anything like allright, well, I'll just learn
the whole live record to get afeel for what the band is.
And then, you know, for thenext week they were auditioning
drummers all day long andeverybody had the same, you know
, the fast song and the slowersong, and so I got to sit and
listen to everybody else'sauditions and kind of see where
they were doing good and wherethey weren't, and but by the

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time they got to me they werepretty burnt out.
And then they were like, ohcool, the guy that scrubs the
toilets and parks the cars wantsto play Like we are scraping
bottom.
And so I was just kind of like,hey, you guys have been playing
the same songs all week.
Do you want to play somethingdifferent?
And they kind of perked up likeoh, you're smart.
And I said, oh, I know yourwhole live record.

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And so one guitar player justlaunched into one of the songs
and we just jumped in and thenthey were excited and they had
new energy which gave me, youknow, a leg up.
And it's just like, wasn't itan advantage that I was sitting
there and I was the guy thatworked there, for sure, but why
wouldn't you use that, you know,to to your advantage?
So, you know, got that gig and,um, just kind of spiraled from

(13:43):
there.
Like, like you know, from faceto face, I started playing with
a band called Saves the Day andthen we ended up in like one of
the final bidding wars of LA of,you know, before Napster and
everything you know, so we endedup on DreamWorks with them and
from that I just kind of, youknow, played with a lot of other
bands.

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Alkaline Trio worked with RobHalford from Judas Priest on his
solo record Awesome and endedup touring with Devo at one
point my Chemical Romance.
So it's just kind of you know,when you start doing one thing
you meet somebody and I mean youguys know the drill, it kind of
spirals down to, you know,other opportunities.

(14:25):
That's incredible that'sawesome.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Well, let's go to it then.
So you I assume soon after thattell us how you got the
offspring gig.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
And what year is this ?
Yeah, like offspring when Istarted playing with them in
2007.
Okay, so the offspring.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
I mean, oh yeah, for some people that don't know,
like guess we're old and theremight be people listening that
might not quite know who theOffspring is.
But I don't even know how manyrecords, but it's got to be 40,
50 million records, yeah, about35 million, I think Okay so huge
band, big hits.
How did that gig come about?

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, we'll go from there.
That that gig, it was a funnystory because I'd left my
previous band, saves the day,because it just got to be where
the drama outweighed theenjoyment of the music.
And you know, and when I leftthat I had been at that one
point there was an overlap whereI was playing in face-to-face
and saves the day at the sametime for two years and so I
never was home, I was always offthe road like I had no personal
life whatever.

(15:29):
And so, um, when the saves theday thing fell apart, I was
really burnt out on punk rockand everything.
I just said I'm not gonna, I'mnot doing this anymore.
And my wife's like, yeah, yeah,take, take a week off.
You know, calm down.
And uh, so I got called for thisother band that was more of
like a, a higher profile heavymetal thing, and I was like, oh

(15:49):
great, that sounds awesome, I'mgoing to do that.
And my best friend is a guitartech to the stars, like he
worked for Prince and AngusYoung, richie Sample, everybody.
That's like he just knowseveryone.
He heard what I was going to doand he called up and he's like,
absolutely not, you're notjoining that band.
He's like I know this person inthis camp and this and that,
and he's like you think yourlast band was crazy, like the

(16:11):
singer from this band justmarried their therapist.
You are not Circumstances.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
And I was like well, fine, I don't want to play music
anymore anyway.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
And so, and then I get a call in, you know, from
first first person comes at meand says hey offspring's looking
for a drummer.
You know, I gave him your nameand I was like not interested,
don't care.
And uh, you know punk rock andI don't want it.
And then a couple weeks later,came at me from a second person,
was like hey offspring'slooking for a drummer, your name
, your name, keeps coming up.
You know, you should give him acall.
And I I was like I don't, Idon't want to not doing it.
And then, finally, uh, a thirdperson a couple of weeks later

(16:49):
calls up again and it's like heyoffspring, still looking for a
drummer, they can't find theright person.
And so at this point my wifewas like look, just, you know,
I'm tired of watching you mopearound like go, go get the job
and then decide if you want itor not.
And I was like, all right, Ican't, can't argue with that.

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So I went down.
Um, you know, the firstaudition was just like a cattle
call, where their manager and aand a video camera and everybody
, again everybody played twosongs, a fast song and a slow
song.
And so you know I did that and Iwas living in Northern
California at the time.
I wasn't in LA anymore.
My wife is from Chico and so Iwas flying down to do this
audition and I flew back up andthen I get a call like hey, they

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saw your tape.
They want you to come back nextweek play the same two songs
with the band.
So I fly back down next week,meet the guys in the band, play
the two songs, and I was like,all right, this feels, this
feels interesting, it's allright.
And then the next week they hadme come back and play four more
different songs this time.
And then when I come down tothere I'm hearing other drummers

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in there.
Some people are playing thefirst two songs, some are on the
second set of four.
So I'm like, oh, all right,these guys are really, you know,
taking this seriously, findingthe right person.
And I hear one drummer in thereand I was like, oh wow, this
guy's good.
Like the slow song was wassolid.
And I was like, oh damn, that's, that's rad.
And then he gets to the fastsong and I was like, huh, not

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his thing, but still stillreally good.
And the door opens and it's myold roommate, ray Luzier, and he
looks at me and he goes oh, ofcourse you're here, oh my god.
And then he gets the Korn giglike a week later, which was
funny.
He's a badass, he's insane.
Yeah, he's so good.
So go through the whole process, end up getting the job, and

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for a while I wasn't a huge fanof the band or anything, but as
drummers and stuff we're broughtin, my job is to come into a
situation and elevate the band,to be better and you gotta drive
the bus.
That's it, yeah, that's thething.
So it's like, whatever the gigwas, whether it was face to face
or saves a day, or rob halfordor whoever I come in.

(19:00):
You know I'm supposed to makethe band better, or I shouldn't
be there, right?
And so for me it was like allright, I can get along with
everybody, I can play this music, it's no problem.
You know, it was very, verystick to the script, like the.
The person that got me the thatI finally listened to and took
the audition Um, she had calledme when I was on my way to the
airport to go down.

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She's like hey, just a heads up.
You know, the singer of theband writes all the parts for
all the songs, like every, everypiece of the music is very
important.
Like don't go off thereservation, stick to the script
, which was a great little tipto to get going in there.
So it's like okay, cool, don'tyou know it?

(19:41):
Here's your script, you can dodo it and you know.
so for a lot of years thatworked.
I didn't plan on staying thatlong, I didn't, you know, it was
just kind of like all right,well, let's get back on the
horse it was just a gig for youit was just a gig, but then, you
know, my wife and I had asecond daughter and so then it
became more of like okay, well,now we're in a different
situation.
So, you know, I I probablystayed there longer than I

(20:04):
intended, but it was.
You know, it was a great gig.
14 years, 14 years, yeah, and,like I said, everything was
great until it wasn't and uh,you know, that's, that's the
thing when you're brought into aband, especially a juggernaut
like that, like you know, thathas sold 35 million records.
I, I didn't sell 35 millionrecords, they did.

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So I'm there playing the drums.

Speaker 5 (20:28):
But you played on what?
Two or three albums.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, the last two albums that I was there, right,
yeah, and you know, but still itwas not a creative endeavor, it
was very much.
Here's your, it's like being anactor.
Here's your lines today.
Play those lines.
Okay, great, which was fine.
Again, you know, I got paidreally well to do it and and,

(20:50):
and you know you, you deal withthe ups and downs of any, any
gig, any situation, especiallyas, as a drummer, we're, you
know, we're the bottom of theladder.

Speaker 5 (20:58):
you know we are, we're used to I don't know, I
don't know, man, I play bass.
I might, I might be one belowyou, you know fair enough.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
I'm not going to argue with the bass, I would
have thought it would be basstoo.

Speaker 7 (21:09):
Just as a guess, Let me rephrase that Christmas
K-Lo's out.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Managers hate drummers.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Oh yeah, that could be, what's that about?

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah well, managers hate everyone.
They'll find the one person inthe band that they think is
important and everyone elsedoesn't matter.
They find the cash master first.
Well, I mean, everybody'sreplaceable is really yeah, the
managers don't understand a gooddrummer versus a bad drummer
they have no musical background,they have no skills whatsoever.
They're just there to robpeople you're taking attention

(21:41):
away from what's reallyimportant so, um, yeah, and like
I said, for 14 years everythingwas fine, and then, you know,
covet hits, everyone's comingoff the road.

Speaker 6 (21:56):
Yeah, I want to talk till it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Let's talk about till it wasn't so you know, 2020
comes and goes, everyone's offthe road.
We were in South America wheneverything hit.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Okay, I was going to ask you this because I'm telling
you, I remember, whenever itwas March 2020, right.
Yeah, mid-march we were going,I forget.
You know we were touring atthat point.
And where are we going?
Wisconsin or something, yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
A little run up there .
Yeah, I think we're inwisconsin right when it.
We're in that we were at thevenue.
Yeah, I remember saying beforewe left for that week's run.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
You know country, we do it different than rock.
It's like you know we'reweekend warriors, basically.
But um, she was like they'regonna cancel those shows.
I'm like no, they're not.
Well, I mean we're programmedas musicians.
I mean you're, we're playing,we're playing the gig we're
playing.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Oh yeah, we're doing the gig.
So we went to my deathbed you,so you know my knees buckling.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Believe me, we do have to talk about that because
I think people don't understandthat.
But we went to wisconsin, wewent out, we were working out
actually, we were playingpickleball that day and they
come to us very intense game theold man sport that's when we're
getting ready for my homes andkelsey by the way, we'll edit
that out yeah, headbands,wristbands anyway they come to

(23:11):
us and say show's canceled, andthen the weekend's canceled, and
then, oh, the year's canceled.
But so where were you when itwent all that?

Speaker 1 (23:18):
we're in south america.
We had had headed down for wewere supposed to be there about
two and a half weeks and my wifeis saying she's like you guys
really going down there, likethere's this thing happening no
one knows what's going on.
And she's like you're seriouslygoing to go to South America.
And I'm like I don't have a sayhere.
Yeah, it's not like I get to go.
Hey, fellas, I don't think thisis a good idea.

(23:38):
It's just like I have zeropower.
I have zero power.
I have as much power in thatband now as I did when I was
there.
So, yeah, I'm like, well, theysay it's going to happen, we're
going to go.
So we get down there and thefirst show, wherever we were I
think Columbia canceled.
And so we move on to Chile andwe get into Chile and the show

(24:00):
went on and we're playing thishockey arena kind of thing.
There's probably like 6 000people there all sweating all
over each other and we're alljust kind of like god, this
feels wrong, but what can you do?
Because you're in a game ofchicken with promoters and stuff
.
Right, it's like if we cancel,then right you know everything's
on you.
So it was really kind of waitingit out and we were supposed to,

(24:22):
after that show, go to Brazil.
And you know, we had like threeor four shows there and the
Brazilian promoter was like no,we're not canceling, you know,
keep coming and I.
But while we were on stage inChile they worked something out
and promoter was finally like,okay, yeah, we got to cancel.
And then we, you know, took offand flew home from there.

(24:42):
If we had gone to brazil, theylocked down so hard that we
would have been stuck there forlike you guys fly back private,
or was it not?
just commercial.
We just got, got out and gothome as as fast as we could, and
then you know and then you werelocked down, or then we were
all locked down right, yeah,because it was like oh, we're
gonna be off this month, butwe're still going to australia
at the end of next month so Iremember this right.

Speaker 6 (25:02):
Yeah, we were on a plane when it got shut down.
Oh, you guys were.
Oh yeah, we landed at dallas,fort worth, coming back from
palm springs, and we, when wegot off the plane and walked in
the airport, there was nobody inthe airport.
It's one of the most, it's oneof the busiest airports in the
world yeah, because we werecoming back and it was like, oh
my god, did the lord come back?
I mean seriously it seriously.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
it was that empty, Did he?

Speaker 6 (25:24):
forgive me, yeah, no, and we barely made it home
before they shut down flightsand stuff.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
But I remember that and it's interesting because,
yeah, I was like, okay thatweekend shows got canceled,
we'll go back the next weekendor next month Summer at the
latest and that wasn't the case.
We went obviously to fulllockdown.
So I guess where are we livingat the time?
Was it in?

Speaker 1 (25:49):
LA, no, here, yeah, we've been in Franklin since
2011.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
Oh wow, yep, okay, so give us the story of what
happened then.
So you obviously took, I assume, 2020 off.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, 2020 was just.
You know, we tried to do.
I think I flew out to later inthe summer, when everybody
lightened up a little bit.
I flew out to like do somerecording and we did like a
christmas song, shot, a video,like just trying to have do
something to do for fans or forthe band, just to kind of keep
some momentum, and and we hadbeen finishing a new record

(26:25):
throughout the whole processthat was supposed to come out in
2020, of course, but then itgets pushed back.
So, yeah, 2020 was a wash, likereally nothing happening there,
and then 2021 starts, and thenwe've got-.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
And everybody's starting to get their tours back
going Right, but withstipulations, right?

Speaker 1 (26:45):
well, that's the the problem.
Like we've terrorized everyoneto stay in their home and don't
don't touch another human for ayear, yeah, but now we would all
like them to come back out andbuy tickets and t-shirts and
clap for us.
How do we?
How do we unring the bell?
So, you know, the, the powersthat be the live nation and the
other promoters and whatever,come up with the concept of the

(27:07):
fully vaccinated tour, right,which is, you know, the
vaccine's rolled out.
It's a great savior toeverything.
Everything's going to be fine,everyone has to get it and then
we can all go back to work.
And you know, for me, I have ahistory of bad reactions to
vaccines, so I'm already notlooking at this in a good way.
I'm like all right?

Speaker 3 (27:27):
did I read that you had an autoimmune disorder?
Is that?

Speaker 1 (27:29):
right, yeah, I finally got diagnosed with
guillain-barre syndrome okay anduh, because it like every time,
even when I was a kid, everytime I would get vaccinated.
I had you know major problemsof you know temporary paralysis
limbs shutting down like thatand it it's.
You know, as I got older, likethe thankfully, you know, I was
always able to kind of turn it's.
You know, as I got older, likethe thankfully, you know, I was

(27:50):
always able to kind of turn itaround with, you know, diet
things and lifestyle changes and, and you know, keep it.
You know, at least I knew whatcaused it.
So then it was like, all right,well, I can't do this anymore
because you know, my doctor saysyou know, hey, you're getting
older.
Every time this happens it'staking longer to bounce back.
Eventually it's not going tobounce back.

(28:11):
So for me it was just a no, ano go.
And then watching, you know, mywife and I watched the clinical
trials really carefully and thelittle information that they
put out.
We devoured it and, um the, youknow, we found out pretty
quickly they didn't have anyonewith any autoimmune conditions
in the trials.
It was only perfectly healthypeople.
So there's nobody like me inthere getting this tested.

(28:33):
And I was open to it, like thismRNA is a new technology, maybe
this will be different for me.
I was actually like, ok, atleast they're doing something
new, maybe that'll work.
And while we waited forreal-world data.
We just kind of kept our eye onthings and I tried to kind of
kick the can down the road asfar as I could.
And uh, you know, as the datastarted coming in, it was worse

(28:55):
than we thought.
Like for somebody in myposition it wasn't.
You know, one of the firstthings that was popping up was
Guillain-Barre syndrome withpeople and I was like, all right
, well, this isn't an option forme.
And you know, and we had pulledshe pulled a screen grab from
the FDA website in January of2021.
I still have it somewhere andyou know, we sent it to all the

(29:16):
smartest people that we knew andbasically it said while we are
hopeful that the COVID-19vaccines will stop transmission,
they were not tested for that.
And we, you know, we have noidea long-term what that's
going's gonna, how that's gonnawork.
But here they are on televisiongoing oh, it's 100 effective,
it's gonna, it's gonna changeeverything and and and it's

(29:36):
perfectly safe and effective.
But I'm like, well, over herewhere you have to say, you're
saying where is that?
like on the cdc yeah it was onthe fda's website.
It was not there long oh really, they're removing that yeah, my
wife took a screen grab of itand we still have it, wow, and
I've shared it online before andhad people go.
That's a fake screen grab.
Who's got time in their day tomake a fake FD?

Speaker 7 (29:59):
I'm sorry.
While you and your wife weredoing that research, were you
passing any of that along toyour buddies in the band or
anybody like that, saying hey,before we have to be told this,
just I want to put this on yourradar.
Were you already doing that?

Speaker 1 (30:11):
yeah, everybody.
It was kind of this unspokenthing.
Everybody knew that I was notgoing to be all right with this,
but you know, I think they werewaiting to see what happened,
as much as I did.
And you know, once the livenation thing came down and they
were like, hey, hey, everyonecan get back on the road If we
do this thing, everyone's got tohave their paperwork and stuff.

(30:31):
And you know, I just figuredthat we would have some hard
conversations, but you know I'mI'm talking to everybody that I
can.
Anybody in other bands, you know, people with you know, uh,
medical conditions like minethat were, you know, getting
medical exemptions from theirdoctor.
I had a medical exemption frommy doctor, it didn't matter, you

(30:55):
know, no one, no one cared, itwasn't accepted, you know.
But we, we head into summer of2021.
We've got a tour coming upstarting in the fall and, um,
you know, I get a call fromthere and I I'd been going out
to la all year like we werereleasing an album, we were
doing promotion, filming videosand whatever.
And you know, everybody's thereat the rehearsal or with a mask
on.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
I was gonna say what were the protocols during that,
because I remember it wasmassive protocols, yeah because
I'm coming from tennessee, whereit wasn't.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
It was pretty laid back by early 21, right, like it
was like, hey, live your life,make your choices.
And you out there, and it waslike a war zone, like nobody on
on the streets, people drivingalone in their cars with a mask
on.
You had to show a Vax guard toget in anywhere.
Yeah, from what I remember, itwas getting to that point out
there.
And so by summer, you know, Ithought we were going to have a

(31:40):
pretty good discussion, becauseI talked to enough people in
other bands that were like, ohyeah, we, you know so-and-so's
got a medical exemption.
It's fine, we're, we're goingout anyway, it doesn't matter,
like you know.
So I'm like, okay, cool,there's a way to do this.
And then I get a phone callfrom the band's manager out of
nowhere.
That was just like I said.
I'm a drummer, I'm used tobeing treated less than stellar

(32:05):
by managers and and how long hasthis manager um been with the
band?
he was new with the band.
He'd only been with them sincecovet hit oh, really yeah so I
didn't have a lot of historywith this guy and um and so,
yeah, he chose to come at melike a flamethrower and just abs
.
Like I've I've gotten crappyphone calls before.

(32:26):
This was the most abusive umthreatening call I've ever had
in my entire career.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
I don't even understand that.
What did he say?

Speaker 1 (32:33):
He just basically laid it out in no uncertain
terms.
I tried to say I've got amedical exemption.
I don't care about your medicalexemption, just yelling cutting
me off.
It wasn't a conversation tryingto tell me that for the greater
good, everyone's got to do this, and I'm just like that's not a
good enough reason for me.
You're not making an argument,you're just making threats and

(32:56):
yelling at me.
So it basically came down to hemade it clear that I was either
to get vaccinated or I'd bereplaced, and it was also
floated out by one of the otherguys about hey well, just get
you some paperwork, you knowsomething like that, because
there was people getting fakecards did you think about?
that, believe me, I, Iconsidered everything I'm, and

(33:17):
you know it was nerve-wrackingbecause it's like, oh, not just
like I might lose my job here,but I might be blacklisted from
doing anything else ever right,because that's a.
Yeah, you were like the worstthing you could have been called
at that time was an anti-vaxxer, especially with these things
rolling out, yes, you werecalled a murderer.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, oh, I was called a.

Speaker 6 (33:37):
Nazi.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
I'm just like a fascist.
I'm like I don't think you knowwhat that word means.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
It's really insane to you talk about the lockdowns.
You talk about looking at it.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Now it's like oh my god yeah, you think of stuff
that happens in other countries,but it's crazy.
Yeah, yeah you would think.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
And you know it got perspective a couple years later
, yeah and stuff.
But so at the time it was, youknow, the phone call was so
shocking, and so I wrote to thetwo guys in the band that were
my boss and I laid out the phonecall and how I didn't
appreciate it, and here's allthe reasons why I don't want to

(34:21):
do this and why I'm not able todo this.
And it didn't matter.
I tried to talk to them abouthim and you know I said I'm like
hey, you might fire me overthis, but you should know this
guy is not representing you well, and if he's treating me like
this, he's treating your creweven worse.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
Did you have a?

Speaker 1 (34:37):
conversation like a long phone call.
I tried.
When I brought that up I wastold we're not going to speak to
that.
That's not the concern rightnow.
He's not the concern.
This, you know, your refusal todo this is the concern.
And so things deterioratedpretty rapidly after that and
you know, less than a week laterI found it was like like all

(34:58):
communication stopped and youknow, I had a flight in a hotel
and stuff on hold to go torehearsal.
And a week later I checked mysouthwest app and that's how I
found out I was replaced becausemy flight was canceled.
My hotel was gone and theydidn't even actually call you to
say you were my, yeah, my, um,my access to the band calendar
was revoked like everything justgone.

(35:20):
And you know, and it was, itwas brutal because it wasn't
just me, it was.
You know, it was my family.
Like our wives were friends,our kids grew up together.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
People don't realize that, right.
I mean, obviously we can speakto this.
Like you know, we say our roadfamily.
In a way, it's actually yourfamily and your kids grow up
together.
Your wives are best friends.
You become best friends withthe people in the band and to
have them like ghost, you, Ican't even imagine that.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
I'm thinking of the guys on our band.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Tully, does that to me, bro.
What happened?

Speaker 5 (35:58):
Crazy.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Yeah, it was brutal and even the process of when all
this is happening in a matterof days.
I was just a nervous wreck andmy kids had to watch me on the
floor having a panic attack ohman, I'm just like I don't know
what we're gonna do as a family.
Like you know, my wife yeah,I've raised our girls,
homeschooled them all the waythrough.
Like you know, I'm the thebreadwinner, I'm the one here

(36:21):
and I'm like holy.
You know, it's really.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
We are just so people know in this business that
that's, that's really shitty tohave 14 years in um, and you do,
which is, which is a long time,um, and and you play all these
shows together and you makemusic and you go through all
these you know great timestogether and then you know to

(36:44):
just get kind of ghosted.
And then did they offer I meanthat any kind of severance or
any kind of?

Speaker 1 (36:51):
no no oh my gosh, are you kidding me that?
That doesn't, that doesn't know?
It was yeah, after 14 years, itwas just like are you going to
do what we want?
no, moving on and so, and for meit was.
It was, you know I I turneddown the fake card because I'm
like, look, I'm not going to lieabout this, I'm not going to be
too.
And I know plenty of peoplethat took fake cards, like some

(37:14):
some really close friends ofmine.
I don't have any judgment howanybody navigated this situation
.
The whole world was put in animpossibly shitty situation.
There was no good way out of it.
So, whatever anybody had to do,good on him.
But for me I couldn't do it.
Like I didn't want to put mykids into this position where
they had to lie for me.
I didn't want to put my wifethere and I just to me, it was

(37:35):
like, well, if, like, I don'tthink this is right and if I'm
taking a fake card, I'm goingalong with it.
I'm, I'm part of the problem.
And then I lose my voice, likeI can't say anything here, I
can't speak about it.
So you know I wouldn't take thecard.
And you know, after everythinghappened, you know I didn't say
anything for like a month, LikeI sat on it because I'm like you

(37:56):
know, oh, maybe they'll comearound, maybe something will
change.
Let's give it some time.
Like this got heated, we'll letit cool down.
And it didn't you know.
And it's like once I saw youknow, news trickles back and
it's like, oh so, and so is youknow, they brought this person
in to replace you.
I'm like, yeah, that makessense.
I figured that's who they wouldget.
But so finally, I was like youknow, this isn't right.

(38:18):
I'm gonna put out a statement,I'm gonna say my piece because,
you know, I, I know how.
I was there long enough to knowhow they operate and they
weren't gonna to make anyannouncement.
You know the same when theyfired the original bass player,
they made no announcement oranything.
And because it was like, well,it's only a story if we make it
one.
So it's like, okay, well, Iknow how they're going to handle

(38:38):
this.
I'm not just going to whimperaway and and hide like I'm going
to say something, because it'sit was bigger than than the band
or my job or anything.
for me it was like my, you know,my girls were doing musical
theater at the time and and thatcommunity was brutal on
mandating and forcing things andtesting and you got to have

(38:58):
your cards and stuff and and soI was just like all right, if to
me at this point, when, when,and you guys and you guys, you
guys all have kids.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Okay.
So yeah, when your kids get tobe teenagers, they stop
listening to you, right, butthey're always watching and they
, they observe and they take inhow you handle things so what
what they do.
And so for me, I was like, allright if, if the only audience I
have with this statement is mytwo kids, that's it, that's my

(39:32):
goal.
Show them this is importantenough that I'm going to set my
career on fire over it.
This shouldn't be happening.
Nobody should be put in thisposition and that there's no
opportunity or job or anythingthat's worth you giving up part
of yourself and knowing you knowyour own autonomy, knowing this
is wrong, like I don't, I can'tset an example to you that that

(39:55):
that's okay to do, cause youknow I don't want them going
through the world going.
Well, dad caved on that thing,so I guess I can do this Right.
It was like this is importantenough that let's, let's make
that, you know, make that pointto them.
And so we wrote up a statementand put it out, and I didn't
expect it to be a big deal,because, again, that's the

(40:16):
drummer from some band who cares, right.
But I think it hit a nerve withpeople because so many people
felt like me, if you didn't goalong with this, you were told
you were the only one that feltthat way and you know.
So I just kind of figured well,maybe there's somebody else out
there that needs to hear thisas well.
So we, you know, put astatement out and made sure to

(40:39):
point out, like, while meturning this down, was my issue
was medical related.
You know, no is a completesentence.
Nobody should have to do thisif they don't want to.
You don't need an excuse, youdon't need it and you know, and
also to show.
A big part of the push for thiswas people saying, oh, oh well,
we're so good, you know we're.

(41:01):
Everyone's got to get it forthe people who medically can't.
And you know, I was livingproof that it didn't matter.
Even if you had a medicalexemption, it didn't count.
No one, it wasn't accepted.
It was just like no, we're justsaying this, but you know you
need to get it too, and so itwas really frustrating to be in
that world.
So we wanted to make a point ofyou know, everyone should have

(41:23):
a choice here.
There should be informedconsent here.
I don't feel that there is, andyou know I expected a firing
squad.
Like I just figured like, wow,I've already set my career on
fire.
And now the you know theinternet's gonna either largely
on and not care or we're justgoing to get hit with a
flamethrower.
And um, crazy thing was is we'dgot a groundswell of support.

(41:47):
Like I started getting messagesfrom people all around the
world going oh my God, got agroundswell of support.
Like I started getting messagesfrom people all around the
world going oh my God, thank youfor saying something.
I thought I was the only personthat felt like this.
I thought I was the only personwho was alone, or people saying
thank you for writing.
You know, something measuredand clear like this that I can
share with my family or myfriends who don't understand why
I don't want to do this and youknow.

(42:07):
So it just kind of turned intothis, this thing, where I became
a weird kind of lighthouse forpeople who didn't want to get on
board with the narrative thatwas being pushed.
And then I started gettingmessages from all kinds of
people like way, way biggerplatforms than my little piddly
platform going hey.

(42:28):
And some people are like how'sit going for you?
Cause I'm thinking of sayingsomething, but you know, how
broke are you?
It's going to be.
And it's just like what I, whatI tell people is like you know,
when the cancel mob comes foryou, it burns so hot and fast
because they wake up every daygoing all right, who are we mad
at today?
No doubt, and I'm like, juststand your ground, don't

(42:50):
apologize, don't clarify, andthat was the thing.
I put my statement out and Iclarified nothing.
I said nothing else.
I got out of the way because Idid not expect it to take off.
I didn't expect.
And then we had CNN, msnbc, foxNews hounding me through emails.
They had emails I haven't usedin 10 years.

(43:11):
They were calling my phone, mywife's phone, like these people
were able to get you so manydifferent ways and I was just
like I don't want to talk toanybody.
That's not what this was for,mostly, you know.
Again, trying to just set anexample for my kids.
But also the point of thestatement was you know, the band
had a tour coming.
They had a show in nashville.
I had people hitting me up fortickets to these shows that I
know I'm not going to be atRight how many times do I want

(43:35):
to have to have this longconversation about what happened
?
Can I just tell it once and likeeven with my family, like my
brother knew what was going onand my best friend knew what was
going on, and but the rest ofmy family did not.
So when they all, unfortunately, found out from my statement,
like everybody else but it waslike, well, this is the only way
I can do it, because I can'thave this conversation 500 times

(43:57):
and I also have to saysomething, because people are
wanting tickets and passes andI'm not going to be around.
So it was a really strange kindof time and I didn't want to
talk to anybody.
So we turned everything down.
Tucker Carlson, megyn Kelly,somebody at CNN's morning show

(44:20):
was relentless, just keptbombarding me and my wife
constantly and it felt really,really strange and I was just
like I didn't trust that anybodyhad my best interest at heart.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Well, they didn't Right, let's be, honest, I
didn't.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
It was like oh, you stuck your head up.
We're here to chop it off andmake an example of you and I was
like, all right, well, I'm notgoing to allow that.
So I said what I said and westayed out of it, and then out
of it, and then I had to, youknow, kind of start piecing my
life back together.
Because now you're like, okay,well, what's next?
Because, like, does anybodyneed an unvaccinated?

Speaker 5 (44:54):
but you brought up a good point which I don't think
people realize as well.
Like so, you met your daughtersfor theater, you know.
So that time my son was on ashow on nbc, oh wow.
And they, and they said well,you know, basically he had to
get vaccinated, yeah, and as aparent, you're sitting there
saying, okay, um, yeah you'retrying to navigate those waters.

(45:15):
we don't want to cost himbecause if you, if you're in in
in sag, yeah, so you, you had toget vaccinated or you couldn't
work.
And we're saying, okay, well,it's his first season on this
show, do we?
What is?
How do we do this Like, is it?
Do we cost him his job, youknow?
And so he got the vaccine andlooking back on it, you know,

(45:37):
it's like, wow, what a position.
Yeah, they put everybody in Iknow, and you're talking about
your kids and it's like the samething, it's like you're making
decisions.
Yeah, at that time he was uhwhat?
15, 16 at that, at that point,you know.
So, um, that's just crazy tothink about the position that
everybody was in and you'rehaving to choose, you know,

(45:58):
providing for your family, yeah,you know, and it's uh, like I
said, it feels weird to talkabout it like this, because it's
like it's a.

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Speaker 6 (47:35):
I want to be more like Pete.
I wish I was more mild-manneredlike Pete.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
And that's a great way to come back on.
You know, I think what we'regoing to do.
Sometimes we need to likecompile our break moments,
because there's always like afive minute where we say we're
going to take a break and thenwe just kind of talk during that
.
We need to put that on apaywall.

Speaker 7 (47:55):
Yeah, that's a subscription, subscription only
Jim get on that Very Christmas.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Welcome to the paywall.
Yeah, exactly 2025, startingJanuary.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
But you guys just blew my mind.
You guys just blew my mindbecause I didn't know this.
First of all, we were talkingabout how odd it is that a punk
rock band, you know, which, like, in theory, is supposed to be
anti-establishment, like has to.
You know, you have to go withthe man all the time.
But tell me they changed thelyrics to the song Tully.

(48:28):
Or somebody, pete, give mesomething.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
They did.
They made a little video clipand they changed the.
You got to keep them separated,so you got to go get vaccinated
.

Speaker 6 (48:38):
That is not true, I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (48:39):
It's true, I'm sorry, it's true, I read that and I
was it actually.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Was it like a jingle they?

Speaker 1 (48:45):
did for commercial.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
It was just something they tweeted out or Facebooked
or something I don't know.
You got to get them vaccinated.

Speaker 6 (48:54):
Yeah, I wonder how they feel about that now.
Surely they can't be proud ofthat still.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Well, that's the question.
Everybody's got perspective.
This all went down three and ahalf years ago.
Right, I have perspective onthis.
I got to think at some point.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
You look at that and you go, yeah, okay, we got that
wrong.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Or have they?
I don't know.
I mean, no one's reached out tome.
Like I said, my door is alwaysopen.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Like I.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
I don't, I I never took it personally, even even
you know things that werepersonal, like personal, like oh
, we're just going to cut youand your family off entirely,
like you know where a weekbefore everyone was family and
you know.
But it's like you find out thatyour family, uh, as long as you
are doing what you're told, andthe first time, you say no and

(49:44):
that that was the thing.
Like as a drummer, we eatcopious amounts of shit you gave
them 14 years right.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Bombastic brilliance, oh I love that bombastic.
Wow, I'm telling well he did,he gave him 14 years of it and
and nothing I mean nothing, yeah, well, that's the thing I like
to say.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
I've I ate every plate of shit I was served for
14 years.
The first one that I sent backto the kitchen I was gone, like
that was it.
It was just like you know, areyou going to do what we want or
not?
Here's the thing.

Speaker 5 (50:20):
It's one thing that you know if they've got a really
strong feeling about this.
It was a weird time you know, Igive people a little bit of
grace when it first happened.

Speaker 6 (50:29):
I get a little bit.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Because, I was Very little.

Speaker 6 (50:30):
No no, we're not going to lie.
We were all freaked out when itfirst happened.
No one really knew.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
We were all scared the point is, even if that's the
stance they took and you gotthe right to make your stance,
it seems like the way you callyou and say man, we're really
concerned about this.
Is there a way around this?
What can we do?
Because we love you and lovewhat you've done for us, but we,
we're really passionate aboutthis.

(50:55):
You're passionate about how canwe you know what this?
I don't think it wasideological for them at all.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Maybe maybe for one of them who's who's very
political online and was very onboard with the narrative and
you know, if you didn't believethat, you were probably crazy.
And the other guy, I think Ithink it was really ultimately
just boiled down to business waslike they wanted to get back to
work making money.
I needed to get back to work.
We'd all been off tour for wellover a year.

(51:24):
At this point, like you know, Imy thing wasn't, you know,
trying to cause problems.
I should have been able to domy job, um, without going
through some medical procedurethat I did not need or want and
that there wasn't even a realconversation or anything.

(51:44):
It was just an unwillingness tolook at opposite, opposite
things or even to understand howmuch of the stuff they were
talking about was really goingto be enforced.
Like you know, once they gotback on the road, they're
playing festivals and stuff, andI got friends from other bands
calling me up going why are younot here?
We're playing this festivalwith your old band.

(52:04):
None of us are vaccinated, noone gives a shit, and I'm like.
I know that and you know that,but I it was like talking to a
brick wall.
You couldn't get through.
It was just like Nope, nope,nope, this is we, it has to be
this, or you know, or we'll haveto get somebody else.
And you know, so I, I'd like tothink, three years later, maybe
things have changed, but I, youknow, I don't it for me to stay

(52:29):
creative and to stay sane, likeI don't follow anything the
band does, like I just kind ofmove on.
My wife will look in on it tomake sure that we don't need to.
You know, correct somethingthat somebody has said wrong and
make a clarification.
But a couple weeks ago I gotbombarded online.
Everybody was sending me thisclip and one of them went on

(52:49):
Bert Kreischer podcast and Berthad asked them what does it mean
to be punk?
And this was the guitar playerand he, boldface, answers Well,
being punk means pushing backagainst authority, like if
someone tells you you have to dothis thing, you say why should
I?
have to do it and I'm like myjaws on the floor because I'm

(53:12):
like kidding me language.
Like you know, when I saidthose things, I was called a lot
of things and none of them waspunk no yeah you know that blows
my mind, yeah, I, so I'm stilljust kind of like all right.
Well, I guess, if you're in thedriver's seat of everything and

(53:32):
you're in the position of power,you're not going to have
self-reflection.
You're going to justify, you'regoing to find a way to justify
why what you did was right atthe time and you don't have to
have self-reflection.
You're going to justify, you'regoing to find a way to justify
why what you did was right atthe time and you don't have to
feel bad about it, unless it'sjust a complete break from
reality and he's rewrittenhistory in his own mind Sounds
like it Not here to speculatethat, but Sorry, when I first

(53:54):
was reading your story andeverything I was wondering if it
was.

Speaker 7 (53:56):
I did think about the political angle, you know
thinking I wonder if theythought you're a conservative,
you know anti-vaxxer and likeyou know something like that.
But then I also wonder if itwas more simple than that, that
that manager, especially beingnew, and then the two band
members, was it?
Just they thought, ah it, jumpthrough this hoop, this hoop,

(54:21):
just to bring him, let's justget somebody else.
What might have been moresimple?
They're just lazy, likepredetermined, like the manager
just says I don't want to dealwith that, wouldn't be easier,
just to get another drummer,probably.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Yeah, I mean, I just wonder if that was, if that was
the case, I would imagine, likeI said, I I don't think it was
personal, I think it was justbusiness, but they were.
I think also they were probablyconfused because you know, I'm
in a what do you call it?
A backup position, a servant'sposition.
As the drummer of this band forall these years, you know I

(54:47):
complied with a lot of crap, youknow that I didn't enjoy or
whatever, but you go along withit.
So I think they just expectedthat that trend would continue.
And when they finally came upagainst something where it's
like, hey, I physically can't dothis, I'm not going to, I think
they were confused as to, like,why isn't he just doing what we
want, like this is, this hasbeen the, the routine, and right

(55:11):
and I just hate it and I'm andwouldn't expect you to comment
on, but it just you know fromour experience.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
I just hate that you're on the road that long
with your family and nobody gotyour back that bothers me yeah
that really bothers me.

Speaker 7 (55:26):
Well, and how many times like, like, like these
guys and you with, with the guysin your band after shows, were
you not just, you know, rockingdrinks and stuff, said, brother,
so we die, man, we're familyback.
Isn't this great say, we'rebright and there's stuff said,
brother, so we die, man, we'refamily back.
Isn't this great say?
We're all said hello you know,what?
Hey guys, remember me, I'm yourbrother.

Speaker 5 (55:44):
You know what's funny , though so when we back on the
road, we tour a live nation aswell, they do the tours.
And it's when we got back onthe road it was interesting, um,
because it was split down, meanwe had a lot of guys in the
crew who were wearing five, sixmasks around.
Then you have us who were justout.

(56:05):
I mean, do we?
Well, I got COVID, yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
So who has it?

Speaker 5 (56:09):
now.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Right now.
Who has it now?

Speaker 5 (56:11):
Well, no it's a crazy story.
You know, we've been a band 29years or whatever and, like I
said, some of the crew guys,tour manager and stuff, you know
Kurt got COVID and we knew hedid and they made him take a
test.
He's got COVID and our tourmanager at the time, who was
kind of filling in for that tour, was like well, okay, well,

(56:31):
Kurt's got to go to the hoteland we're going to get him a van
and we're going to bus him avan and we're going to bust him
from scranton to.
Well, first way they were goingto cancel the show.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
They were going to cancel the show, which that's
what our good luck with that.
People were saying that did nothappen.
Yeah, you know, but luckily wehad jason who's.
Yeah, you know, we had somebodyin charge that wasn't going to
go for that well, and as long asyou say six feet apart, it's
impossible to get it.

Speaker 7 (56:55):
So yeah, but let me tell you this it got really.
Let me tell you this it was.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
It was a major deal.
It was a major deal and itwould.
It caused strife within theorganization because I had covid
.
But kind of back to our pointbefore, like we're from the
generation right that it doesn'tmatter what happens, you are
playing the show that you don'tget to say I'm sick well, and

(57:22):
then or people, for that matter,when we had clover, their tour
manager at the time is saying,well, kurt, uh can't ride the
bus.

Speaker 5 (57:30):
Well, it totally goes .
I said, well, kurt's riding thebus, so you know no shit, yeah,
I said you don't have any sayin the situation.
It's a little bit differentsituation because the way it's
set up for us, kurt's going toride the bus.
What are you talking about?
Anyway, it was a big thing.

(57:53):
We played the show.
His tech's got seven masks onand a hazmat suit and our front
of house guy at the time hazmatsuit you know, and our front of
house guy at the time we have asound check on our front of
house guy you know, amphitheater, right, yeah, you're 30 yards
double masked out there, all byhimself, all by himself.
But it was funny how you know toget to back to your story and
stuff, but it's funny how itsplit, how it was split down the

(58:16):
middle.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Yeah, and it got weird, crazy.

Speaker 5 (58:18):
It divided people, it divided people and it was
really hard to work in thecreative world, because in the
creative world you had a lot ofpeople who were really far left.
Yeah, and then you didn't.
You had people over here and itwas uh but did you notice how,
when?

Speaker 3 (58:34):
okay, so we start the tours back up.
You know, a lot of peoplewanted the bands and crews to be
vaccinated, but hey, theydidn't.
The fans didn't have to be.
Maybe the Foo Fighters did thatfor a little while where?

Speaker 2 (58:48):
you had to show a card, but they quickly realized
that hold on we're losing fansthat way.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Yeah, you put it on the crowd.
Bad for business.
Bad for business, right.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
They'd say, oh, we're trying to protect the people,
they're not trying to protectthe people, they're trying to
protect the money that's comingin.
No, and let's just call it whatit is right, because on stage,
if you want to say that six feetapart is actually a thing which
we now know what it is, orwasn't?
dr fauci said but yeah, he did,he did everyone who just sat
down right but the funny thingis is like yeah, god, we're on
this huge stage, we're fine, butthe crowd who they didn't

(59:25):
really care about, if they'revaccinated?

Speaker 4 (59:27):
or whatever they're packed in there?

Speaker 1 (59:29):
oh yeah, no, they're.
They're out there, but theyneed those tickets, man, like
there's a magic curtain betweenthe I do have a covet question
for all you guys.

Speaker 5 (59:36):
Okay, what is this one still blows my mind.
I need help.
I'm asking for help.
Back in the craziness, coffeeshops opened up or whatever, so
you can go.
Ouch, you can go.
You can take your mask off whenyou're eating.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Because that's when you spread the less germs,
because the COVID doesn't.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
It respects your meal , it respects the meal, it
respects the beverage.

Speaker 5 (01:00:03):
You're right, I just have a question.
You could only have your maskoff when you're eating.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
You could eat next to somebody with your mask off
airplanes is what was the funnyone, so the COVID doesn't go you
stand up to go to the bathroom,though COVID doesn't follow you
and Fauci's up there talking,or whoever, and we're all
murderers.

Speaker 6 (01:00:22):
And meanwhile, behind them, there's 21 million
illegals coming across theborder, unvaxxed by the way.
Yeah, and they're.
I'm like what.
What is what is this here?
What is this here's?

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
how much nonsense yeah, the you know the industry
rules were.
So, since everyone is coming tome like a lighthouse and
sharing their stories and theirstatus and and whatnot, uh, a
friend of mine was on one of thereally big tours that finally,
from the fall of 21, went outand he sent me the backstage
protocol email that if youprinted it it would have looked

(01:00:52):
like a phone book, right, and inhere it was.
It was very much like all right, there's four bands on this
bill.
Each band is its own bubbleinside and no one from any band
will interact with anyone bandor crew with other bands inside
your band bubble.
There are sub bubbles, thestage right bubble, stage left,
like you know, and these.
So you had these four or fivepeople that were in your bubble

(01:01:15):
and those were the only peopledid they call it bubble?

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
yes, oh my god to interact with.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
You will all move together through the backstage
areas, through the temperaturechecks, through and all of this
nonsense, then, you know, andhe's, this guy's on the tour and
he goes.
Yeah, guess what happens whenyou know a crew guy, somebody
tests positive for covid, and Iwas like, well, certainly you
put them in a hotel for twoweeks and quarantine them.
And he's like, yeah, no, we putthem right on a plane and send

(01:01:43):
them home and we fly somebodyelse out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Cause they don't care about the people on the plane.
They don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
It didn't matter, it was about turning the money
faucet back on and that's allthat mattered.
You know me losing my gig,other people you know losing
their livelihoods.
It was all just nonsense.

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
It's also a big power grab.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
For sure.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
So once you draw that line in the sand of like, if
you don't wear the mask and youdon't get quadruple vaxxed, then
you don't care about anybodyelse.
And then it became politicalimmediately and it got really
ugly.
Yeah, I still the other day Iwas driving to Nashville.
The other day I was drivingNashville going to work and I

(01:02:21):
saw a lady in a car with a maskon, with both windows up.
I'm like it's over.

Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
No, it's not, it's over.
No, we've got a mask on, we'vewent through this before.

Speaker 7 (01:02:32):
The reason that happens is because there might
be somebody at red light infront of that person and they
have covid and their windows aredown and they cough, and then
it goes, and then sucks it upthrough the heater, the ac yep,
it's true, just ask john legend.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
So travis kelsey sitting down in the car
different than sitting down in arestaurant, and covid knows the
difference, so well, yeah, andthey got into the whole
essential business.

Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
You said my favorite thing COVID respects the meal
yeah.
You pay a lot of money for thatmeal.
Yeah, it doesn't want to infect.
Get on that fork.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
It's like hey, I can be reasonable, Enjoy your meal.
Have a good time.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
I'm going to wait outside.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Well, since you stand up, I'm coming, I can't.

Speaker 7 (01:03:14):
And Neil, I don't even know if I told you this,
but while we're at it, fulldisclosure I did get the COVID
shot and I got the booster.
I only did it once.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Are you just telling Neil this for the first time?
I?

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
knew that you knew that, absolutely Okay, I didn't
know if I told you.

Speaker 7 (01:03:27):
And the reason why is because you were talking about,
like, fear, you know.
So they scare everybody.
And the time was thinking, well, we go over there all the time
and I'm traveling and stuff, Idon't want to bring her
something, sure, because you'rewatching all that.
But then the other thing wasthe fear of losing income,

(01:03:48):
because we'll do corporate shows, just writer shows or whatever,
and you fly and stuff.
And I thought, well, what'sgoing to happen is they're going
to, they're going to say, hey,you can't fly, you know, and and
then, but then you have to havetwo and they're 28 days apart
and thinking, you know, you'regoing to miss you know several
thousand dollars which could be.
You know, there was turning yourlights on that month or
whatever.
So so I went ahead and did itand when you pulled in, it was

(01:04:11):
at the ag center, like we're,you know, talking about here in
franklin, and it was military,they're all in military,
military, they're dressed, and Ithought, wow, I hadn't seen
anybody in uniform since I wasin uniform a long, long time ago
.
And you pulled in there andit's like, and it was weird, you
know, but I had mixed feelings,like when you got it in there,
I was thinking to myself man,I'm putting, what am I putting
in here?

(01:04:31):
You know, and you called momafter that and I said well, mom,
I got the poison racing throughmy veins for you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
I love it.
I was going to ask is that whatthis boil is?

Speaker 7 (01:04:40):
You felt a little bit good.

Speaker 6 (01:04:43):
No, that's rosacea.
No, I've never thought badabout anybody that decided to
get the facts.
That's the whole point, though.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Everybody should be able to make their own thing.

Speaker 6 (01:04:52):
I never judged anybody about anything.
I made my own decision aboutanything.
I just I made my own decision.
But I never judged any of myfriends that got it, because I
knew the fear and I felt thefear.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
I just went the other way, but that's the point, is
that everybody should be able tomake their own decision yeah
absolutely, and that was mypoint In the touring world,
though it was a thing.
Well, it was heavily pushed.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
It know what to believe.
Like you, where it's like still, look, if jason gets covid, the
show's canceled, right.
You, we talk about being sick.
Playing shows the worst thingyou can ever imagine as a player
, because it's brutal, um, butwe're like okay.
Well damn, you know, we werekind of made to feel like okay,
not by anybody in our camp, butjust the overall industry.
Well, yeah, because you know,it's coming, industry it's
coming from the top if one of usis COVID and we can't play,

(01:05:44):
damn, what are we going to do?

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
you're costing millions of dollars.

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
You're right it's a tough.
It was a tough business to bein and navigate those waters and
you navigated it the right wayand I hate that you're treated
that way, regardless of whattheir stance was, because you do

(01:06:10):
form.

Speaker 6 (01:06:12):
I had an easy decision.
It was like, I mean, I writehere.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
I come upstairs.

Speaker 6 (01:06:18):
And sometimes I tell people COVID was the best thing
that ever happened in my writingcareer, because I get to Zoom
now.
There, you go, you know, and Ilove that morning.

Speaker 7 (01:06:26):
I don't even have to have pants on.
Exactly, neil doesn't like toleave campus very often.
I still do it.

Speaker 6 (01:06:31):
But I totally get when you're you got the higher
ups and you're dependent andsomebody else is dependent on
you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Yeah, when you got the higher ups and you're
dependent and somebody else isdependent on you, and there's
millions and millions andmillions of dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Totally and again yeah, I wasn't telling anybody
what to do.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
It was just like hey, here's why I'm not going to.
But a month into their tour,everyone's emailing me.
Hey, your band's all got covet.
And I was like like I'm notthere to blame you know, but
it's, I'm just like it's none ofmy business you didn't text
somebody go.

Speaker 7 (01:07:07):
I don't yeah I know right, yeah well, I will say too
, you're a, you're really a bigman and a good man to not have
because you sit here and verypolitely tell this story.
That would, you know, make alot of people go over the edge.
You know, 14 years, you know,with the band, people who loved
you and you love them and thefamilies and everything just to
be dismissed like that.

(01:07:28):
You know, like we're expendableand we all, really we, we are
for sure, you know it's just not.
We know we're expendable, wejust don't like when it really
happens.
Well, that was the thing likething.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
I had haters coming at me online going you're
totally replaceable.
I'm like yeah, I know that.

Speaker 7 (01:07:41):
Everybody is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
No one cares who's playing drums on Pretty Fly.
For a white guy, this is a lowbar that we're crawling under
here.
But the point was you justdon't treat people like they're
expendable garbage when the weekbefore they were family and
we're all in it together, andthey're expendable garbage when
the week before they were familyand we're all in it together
and they're so worried aboutCOVID, which is interesting,

(01:08:03):
because what they do issomething far worse.

Speaker 5 (01:08:06):
By treating you the way they do, I'd be the same way
Like send you a tremendousamount of anxiety about
providing.
Yeah, that's a heavy thought tolike.
What do we do?
How do I take care of my family?
Yeah, well, it's, that's a.
That's a heavy thought to like.
You know, what do we do?
How do I take care of my family?

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Yeah, and that that was the, that was the big part
of all of it, cause it was like,not, I'm not just losing this
job, I'm potentiallyunemployable to anyone else,
because now I'm going to be thepariah poster child of the
industry of like, don't be likethat guy, you're gonna ruin your
life, right, and you know, andit was a it's, I mean still, but

(01:08:44):
it was a very slow, longprocess of rebuilding, like
trying to, to figure out, like,okay, what can I do?
And thankfully I had a studioin my home that we had put in
when we moved here, where Itrack drums for people.
So then it was like, oh, okay,all of a sudden I've got people
going hey, hey, can you play onmy song?
Play on my song.
So that kept us.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
Is that how you started working?

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Yeah, that's what got me back to going and again, at
first I didn't want to even playdrums, it just soured me on.
I mean, the industry is theindustry already.
And then for this to happen,you're just like what's the
point?
Why?
Why am I keep doing this?
But I had a friend of mine whoreached out to me and like, you
know, pretty early on, and he'slike hey, you playing drums.

(01:09:23):
And I was like no, I'm notplaying drums.
And he's like that's what Ithought.
And he, you know, lives up inMichigan.
He's like I'm going to comedown with my guitar.
I got some songs we're going toyou know, you can help me make
my record Right and came downout of the goodness of his heart
.
And we, you know, sat in thestudio for a week and, you know,
put this record together, whichwas really fun.
And then and he's like you know, now you're playing again, now

(01:09:46):
you're, you're back up andrunning, and that that really
got me moving again.
And and the the the sad thing inall of it, when we're losing
people who we had been close to,we're losing people who we had
been close to, not just fromoffspring people, but you know
other people I've known in theindustry.
You know some of them couldn'trun away from me fast enough to

(01:10:06):
not get any on them Right.
And uh, it was sad to be like,wow, these people that I've
known forever are afraid to beseen with me in public and
they're kind of abandoning myfamily here.
And here's all these strangersshowing up, going.
Can we do?
How can we help?
What do you need?
You know, it was just reallyaffirming of like okay, it's not

(01:10:28):
this.
Yeah, there's an identity deathhere of I I was the guy that
played drums in this really bigband, but it's's like that's not
.
That was something I did,that's not who I am, and it was
a kind of a having to reprogrammy brain around.
Like, all right, well, we'renot doing that anymore.
What's next?

(01:10:48):
And you know so I've been doingall kinds of different stuff
for the for the last few years.
Like it was.
It was very much a period ofjust saying yes to a lot of
things.
Like some people, someone hitme up to write a theme song for
a cartoon show.
I was like, yes, I can do that.
Yep, no problem, never done thatbefore.
Let's go.
You know and you know doing thedrum tracks, and then that
turned into making drum looppacks for a company called

(01:11:12):
Splice.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
And you know.
So I've been producing, we'veprobably used them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Yeah, I have four different packs on there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
But yeah, and I've just been able to do all that
myself out of my studio and andyou know that all that stuff
trickles down and leads you indifferent directions, to where
now I'm doing more likesongwriting and composing.
You know, I'm composing thescore for a documentary right
now and it's like all all thingsthat five, five years ago, yeah
, wouldn't wouldn't have been onmy radar, but now it's like oh

(01:11:42):
no, yeah, I can do that yeah,let's yeah

Speaker 6 (01:11:44):
god works in mysterious ways really for me,
the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
and when my buddy came down and we, you know, made
his record to get me back onthe drums, I hadn't realized how
creatively stifled I was, beingin the band where I was fed the
script and I played the scriptand you know, don't bring any of
yourself here, don't don't veer, outside the color, outside the
lines, and it was like cool, Ican do that.
But then you realize like, ohman, I missed creating, I missed

(01:12:13):
feeling like I added somethinghere.
So it's been really fun to bedoing drum tracks for so many
different people, cause you knowI look at composing drum tracks
the same as songwriting likewell, what can I do here that's
going to elevate this part,what's going to make make the
song lift?
You know, and it's been reallyfun to to get in there and kind

(01:12:33):
of figure out what each songneeds and what it doesn't, and
like how can I convey the most,the most amount of emotion with
the least amount of information?
You know, and and that's that'sbeen a really fun way for me to
find my way back to my creativespirit, on top of everything
else that you know we've gonethrough.

Speaker 7 (01:12:51):
So that's incredible, it really is.
That's really cool and likelike looking back and you've
already kind of kind of answeredit, because you probably do
look back and though it painfulat the time and everything about
it sucked, but then now you'retalking about all the freedoms
that you have and do you thinkand I'm glad that happened,
because now I have all thefreedom to do the stuff that you
just talked about- yeah, Iwouldn't characterize it as glad

(01:13:14):
that it happened, but I amhappy with where I'm at, if that
makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
I drives it as glad that it happened, but I am happy
with where I'm at.
Okay, if that, if that makessense, like I don't think any of
that should have ever had tohappen.
Right, I should have been ableto do my job.
Other people should have beenable to make different decisions
about their own health andtheir own safety, and and I
understand that fear was a giantmotivator for everyone, and
nobody nobody makes gooddecisions from a place of fear
and anxiety.
You just don't.
And so I try to have a lot ofgrace for anyone, for, however

(01:13:42):
they handled it, I think that myguys handled it poorly.
I think I was treated poorly,regardless of whether it was
acting from fear or business orwhatever.

Speaker 6 (01:13:55):
What were the names of those guys?

Speaker 7 (01:13:57):
Oh, we don't do that here do we Offshoot.

Speaker 6 (01:14:00):
Oh yeah, and your Buffalo Bills are doing good, so
you got to be in a good spot.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
You know I'm excited for the Bills.
I'm cautiously optimistic, likeevery year.
How do you know if you have tobe cautiously?

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Well, okay, well, let's just hope it's a good time
to do a field goal.

Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
God, he said it, he said it.
Let's just hope I don't thinkit's going to be Josh Allen.
I think, Josh Allen.
I think it's hard to betagainst Mahomes because he just
finds a way to win.

Speaker 6 (01:14:26):
Here goes Tully.

Speaker 5 (01:14:27):
But I will say this is a good shot.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
No, the Bills look strong.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
That's the best shot we've had in a long time Did you
go to school with Dawson?

Speaker 6 (01:14:36):
Yeah, she went to school with Dawson Knox, oh nice
.
Oh, you did oh yeah, went toBrentwood Academy.
Sure did, I tried.
I was a stud.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Well, this has been a fun season for me because my
youngest daughter has taken aninterest in football and I'm not
the biggest football fan, butI've always supported the Bills
and I've been.
You know, every year we show upthere, hold her breath, but uh
she's really into football thisyear and she has decided through
through the season.
She is on board with the billsnow, so she's she's.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
I don't know if you've seen it and it's great.
Well, you might not think it'sgreat, but espn did a 30 for 30.
I think it's a four falls abuffalo, oh and it's really good
.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Obviously, the super bowl.
Have you seen it yet?

Speaker 6 (01:15:12):
no, it's, it's really good really well done and
heartbreaking and inspiring, andall that the Titans featured.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
Seriously, we can talk to Pete.

Speaker 6 (01:15:21):
You know how we went on.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
He just laughed and went on Well, because, listen,
we're like seriously over timeand we could talk to Pete for
hours.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Oh, I could let him go.
I live up there and I'll comeback another time.
Hey, you will Be a guest host,That'd be great, That'd be
amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:15:36):
We're trying out for people on that side of the where
you're just like I'll get a hat.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
What's that Tell?

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
people how they can find you.
I know it's at people out onInstagram.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Yeah, at people out on Instagram and Twitter X,
whatever it's called I don't.
I don't have a Facebook.
Someone on there has me as aFacebook.
So, um and um.
Yeah, I mean I have a YouTubechannel that's still the same
just at Pete Parada and mywebsite's peeparadacom.
If you need drum tracks, sendme a message there, you know,

(01:16:05):
check out my splice packs andyeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
How do we find the splice packs?
Seriously, is it just underPete Parada?
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
If you go into splice in the search thing, if you
search Pete Parada, cause myname's in each of the four packs
.

Speaker 6 (01:16:24):
So there's, there's two that are more like pop, punk
, punk rock.
And then there's two that arepop, rock and and that kind of
thing and with all the singlehits the snares and like, oh,
totally, and I know, yes, I needto introduce him to pat my
cousin.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Yeah, you do nice, oh yeah, um yeah, he's brilliant,
and as long as we're pluggingpete, let's plug ourselves,
right uh if you're watching uson youtube.
You gotta subscribe, you gottadownload, you gotta like.
Leave us a comment like this isthis is gonna be a polarizing
episode probably, and that'sgood.
Leave us a comment.
Let us know what you think.
We want to interact with youguys.

(01:16:49):
Follow us at try that podcaston all the socials, right, ali,
all the socials we are rockingwe're verified, baby thanks Ali.
Pete, we can't tell you much.
We appreciate you being here.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
Great to meet y'all absolutely, this is Try that in
a Small Town Podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
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