August 15, 2025 • 36 mins
In this heart-centered episode of Unrelated Sisters: Truth & Grace Conversation, Shannon and Deborah explore what it truly means to be a Proverbs 31 woman in every season of life—whether you're a wife, single mom, divorced, recovering, single, young, or seasoned in age. This isn't about perfection. It's about progress, purpose, and God's presence in our daily walk.
Join us as we break down Proverbs 31 through the lens of real-life women today, offering encouragement, Scripture, and prayer for each stage of the journey. No matter where you are—raising babies, healing from heartbreak, building a business, or learning who you are—God calls you worthy, strong, and full of purpose.
- Proverbs 31:11–12 — "Her husband has full confidence in her... she brings him good, not harm."
- Ephesians 5:22–25 (mutual submission in marriage)
- Colossians 3:14 (love binds all together in unity)
- Proverbs 31:15–17 — “She gets up while it is still night... sets about her work vigorously.”
- Isaiah 40:11 (He gently leads those with young)
- Psalm 68:5 (God is a Father to the fatherless)
- Proverbs 31:25 — "She is clothed with strength and dignity; she can laugh at the days to come."
- Joel 2:25 (He restores what the locusts have eaten)
- Psalm 34:18 (God is close to the brokenhearted)
- Proverbs 31:26 — "She speaks with wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue."
- Romans 8:1 (No condemnation for those in Christ)
- 2 Corinthians 12:9 (His power is made perfect in weakness)
- Proverbs 31:20 — “She opens her arms to the poor and extends her hands to the needy.”
- 1 Corinthians 7:34 (undivided devotion to the Lord)
- Psalm 37:4 (Delight in the Lord and He will give you the desires of your heart)
- Proverbs 31:26 — “She speaks with wisdom…”
- Titus 2:3–5 (older women teaching younger women)
- Psalm 92:14 (They will still bear fruit in old age)
- Proverbs 31:18 — “She sees that her trading is profitable, and her lamp does not go out at night.”
- 1 Timothy 4:12 (Don’t let anyone look down on you for your youth)
- Proverbs 3:5–6 (Trust in the Lord with all your heart)
- No matter your season, you are seen and called by God.
- The Proverbs 31 woman isn’t one perfect woman—it’s a collection of godly virtues we grow into.
- Progress over perfection. God completes what He starts.
- No matter your season, you are seen and called by God.
- The Proverbs 31 woman isn’t one perfect woman—it’s a collection of godly virtues we grow into.
Prayer
“Lord, thank You for every woman listening today—for the wife, the mother, the single woman, the recovering heart, the divorced sister, the young girl, the seasoned soul. Let Your Spirit rest on them. Remind them they are clothed in strength and dignity, no matter their season. Help us grow into the woman You’ve designed us to be. In Jesus’ name, amen.”
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Speaker 00 (00:00):
Dear Lord, we come to you today and we thank you
for your presence and we thankyou for the opportunity to have
this podcast and to speak yourpresence and your grace out into
the world.
Lord Jesus, we want to thankyou for the opportunity to pour
into women and men.
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We want to thank you for givingus a word.
We want to pray that you Tellus what to say and that they
hear that you are your presenceis with us Lord Jesus We pray
that today as we talk about theProverbs 31 woman that That you
lead us and you got us into thisconversation We praise you and
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we give you all the glory inJesus name.
We pray.
Amen Welcome back ladies, thisis unrelated sisters truth and
grace conversation and I'mShannon and
Speaker 03 (00:56):
I'm Deb.
I'm Kena.
Speaker 00 (00:58):
And today we are diving deep into the Proverbs 31
woman in every season of life.
Proverbs 31.
So becoming her, the Proverbs31 in every season, you know,
and talking about it.
Proverbs 31 is oftenmisunderstood, right?
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People take it as a perfectioninstead of a poem of potential,
right?
So Proverbs 31 is what you wantto strive to be, I feel like,
where you want to strive to getto, an example, right?
And when you're doing that,you're not going to always be
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perfect, right?
You're not going to alwaysfollow the way it's supposed to
be.
It's not supposed to be achecklist.
It's not supposed to be, well,I'm this woman during this
season of life and I'm thiswoman during this season of
life.
Because we all come fromdifferent places.
We are all in differentseasons.
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And the way that I seesomething or the way that God
convicts my heart for it may notbe the way Or the season that
he's convicted your heart in.
And I believe Proverbs 31 womanis the perfect example of that.
You know, the key verse ischarm is deceptive and beauty is
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fleeting.
But a woman who fears the Lordis to be praised.
Proverbs 31 30.
Right.
That is the first verse.
But you skip, right?
Sometimes when men talk aboutProverbs 31, they skip the first
few verses of Proverbs 31,right?
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They want to skip down to thepart of the woman saying,
Instead of leading up to how wegot there, right?
Because it's about a mothertalking to her son, you know,
and it's about her wanting himto have.
the perfect wife.
I mean, when you have children,you want them to do better than
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you did.
You want them to have betterthan you did.
And that's all she wanted,right?
She wanted her, her son to havea woman that was going to love
him and respect him and, youknow, give him the things that
he needs and in the same, him doher the same way.
And, but they don't want totalk about that part, right?
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They want to talk about thepart of where she's, going to do
this and she's going to dothat.
She's going to be this andshe's going to be that.
So.
I want
Speaker 03 (03:43):
to chime in on the first part where it talks about
the married woman.
I think I do this one kind ofwell.
This round.
You know, this is my fifthmarriage.
Praise God.
Advice marriage.
Proverbs 31, 11 through 12says, Her husband has full
confidence in her.
She brings him good and notharm.
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I can confidently and proudlysay I do this today.
I've not always been that way,you know, in my past.
But these last four years, Itake pride in that, that I'm
loyal to my husband, that hedon't have to worry about me.
Yes.
And that's one of the thingsthat he's like, man, I'm so glad
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that we have issues.
But I'm glad that's not anissue we have that I have to
worry about.
you know, checking up on you orwondering what you're doing.
You know, it's encouragement.
I think I do that well.
That's one of the things theLord has actually helped me with
is I try to do that almostevery day.
Encourage him because, youknow, men go through a lot.
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They go through a lot of stuffthat they don't talk about.
And I think that as a wife,that's one of the things that we
should be intentional aboutabout is encouraging our
husbands and supporting them andloving them.
Because I don't do the gourmetmeals.
I don't do the cooking.
And he's okay with that.
But I do love him and I doencourage him for just how he
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is.
And he loves me just for how Iam.
And I think that...
My mom was a good example ofthe Proverbs 31 woman.
And so I had that growing up.
I definitely have not beenthat.
I was like a really bad wifeall the marriages.
And so I love today that I canbe that for my husband in this
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season.
And I don't have to...
perform like we talked about onthe last episode.
I can, man, he gets to see theugly me.
When I say ugly me, the raw,real, the world.
He says that sometimes.
He's like, I'm glad I get tosee this part of you that the
world don't get to see in themornings.
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That's a perspective.
He said, I'm glad I get to seethat.
Speaker 00 (06:09):
Well, God sees your efforts, first of all, to love
and to support your husband.
And I've not ever been married.
This is my first marriage.
But I was engaged twice.
I planned two full weddings.
Almost got married.
Almost got married a couple oftimes and then would be
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convicted and ended up being therunway bride.
Both times, actually.
But it's because I knew...
That that wasn't where I wassupposed to be at the moment
because I was so broken.
Right.
And I remember even though myparents got divorced when I was
10 and my daddy fell from grace,I can remember as a kid, a
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younger kid, listening to mymom, I pray it not.
You know, my daddy was atraveling evangelist and he did
tent revivals.
And My mama didn't work.
She was a stay-at-home mom.
And I remember hearing herpray, you know, God, you know, I
need grocery money.
You know, I need to buy somepotatoes and some beans.
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You know, let your will bedone.
You know, and then wake up thenext morning and somebody that
had heard my daddy preach thenight before mailed a check for
the exact amount that she neededto go pick up what she needed
or to pay the electric bill orto pay the rent.
And she's not like she called.
It's not like when he called,she told him.
Right.
She didn't say, Dean, you know,we're struggling this month.
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I need blah, blah, blah.
You know, she just prayed aboutit.
And I can remember hearingthat.
And now that I'm in my faith,you know, I'm like, why can't I?
That was hard for me.
It was hard for me to pray andask and believe that God was
going to give it to me when Ifirst started.
I wanted to take care of myselfbecause I was mad at Him.
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We've talked about it.
I stayed mad at Him a lot.
But to be the wife and to bethe wife to God, not just to
your husband, but to be the wifeto God, to be the daughter that
he wants you to be, you have tobe able to pray in support and
love.
Speaker 03 (08:26):
And unity, be in unity.
I think me and Kevin's more inunity today than we've ever
been.
And God, you know, the enemy isalways out to seek your, to
destroy your marriage.
And so when you're aware ofthat and you know his tactics,
you can, I'm like, no, I'm goingto love on him a little extra
today, or I'm going to take thatextra intentional.
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And this is one thing that I'vereally, really been working on
these past few months is beingthis woman to my husband and
keeping God at the center.
That's what it is to me.
The whole difference.
Keeping God at the center.
Speaker 02 (09:04):
I'm on trauma in here.
So you asked me, you said amonth ago, it may have been that
long, to come and do a podcast.
And then, what was it, twoweeks ago that you had asked?
And you said that it was onProverbs 31.
And there was a part of me thatgot excited.
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Because I know thesescriptures.
I studied this early on becauseI desired marriage so much.
And I was like, you know, foryears, years, you know, praying,
praying, praying, wanting ahusband.
And there was a revelation backthen, though, back in 2012.
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I had never been married to anearthly man, but I became a
bride in 2012.
So the word applies to all ofus.
Technically, I'll go off theside here a little bit, the
context in which this is writtenis for any believer.
So I got excited, and then youactually texted me with a date.
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And I was like, God, no, youdidn't tell me the topic at
first.
And then you texted me with thedate and told me what the topic
was.
And I was like, Oh God, causethis is an area I've been
failing in a lot, you know?
And, um, as the bride to Christand bride to my husband and,
um, I was like, you know howyou'll just scroll down, look at
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the message, but not open it soit's not shown that it's seen?
I did that.
And I was actually gettingready for church.
And I was getting ready.
And on the way to church, I'msitting there and I'm reading
over Proverbs 31.
I'm asking God, I'm like, whyare you wanting...
I know you want me to go and doa podcast.
I know you want me at somepoint.
He had already planted thatwhen I was listening to y'all
early on.
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And so I knew, but again, Ididn't know if it was the
timing.
But...
I was not even telling, I'mriding in the car and my
husband's driving.
I'm sitting over there reading,trying to read through the
scripture before I lose phoneservice.
And I'm not telling him becauseI knew I would be held
accountable.
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Like once I tell him, hey, theyasked me to come and do this.
You know, he's going to be allfor it and like support and
encourage.
And, you know, he wants thatfor me.
Yeah.
So I immediately got convictedbecause I wasn't telling him.
I'm sitting there reading this,and your husband trusts in you.
Oh, I'm not even being honestwith him in this moment.
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Like, I should be telling him,but I didn't want that calendar.
I do this with God.
I do this with God.
But...
So I repented right there.
I put my phone down, and I toldhim about it.
I
Speaker 01 (11:49):
was like,
Speaker 02 (11:50):
okay, whatever, Lord, whatever you want me to
do.
And then I was talking to myhusband, and I said, I don't
know why God wants me to talk onthis because I'm like not
hardly any of that right now.
And he said, it's okay, baby.
He was like, talk about whatyou are and where you are.
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And I was like, okay.
He's so loving.
He has been so loving lately.
But anyways, so I'm writing.
And again, I think I ended uptexting you later on.
I was like, yes, I'll do it.
But I'm reading it and I'mlike, God, why would you have me
do this?
I was like, why?
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I'm not these things.
I'm not this.
I'm not that.
I'm not this.
I'm not that.
And he said, did I say that toyou?
Literally heard that.
And I was like, No, I'm sayingthat about myself.
And then I was like, okay.
So I put the word away for alittle bit.
I prayed in it for that.
And then when I got back intoit and started reading the
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scriptures, this time I didn'tlook at all the works and the
things and having to be this andhaving to be that.
You know, this is literallylike you just said earlier.
This is a mother speaking toher son, who's a king.
So she may even be worriedabout his reputation.
But as a mom, I can say, I cangive you a whole list of the
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type of wife I want for my son,but I've never put in there.
She might struggle with anaddiction here and there.
She might, you know, fall awayfor some time.
She might go through a dryseason.
She might not perform in thisarea.
And then I was also, he showedme where I was reading it as if
I'm supposed to be doing allthis stuff perfectly every
single day.
And I'm like, oh.
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But then he shed a new light.
So I started reading throughthe actual scripture, slowing
down, processing.
And I started seeing...
how it's not necessarily aboutthe things.
It's, again, hard posture.
You know, like, she walks in...
purity.
She's prudent.
She plans.
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She stewards well, whatever Godgives, no matter how little it
is.
You know, I'm sure, you know,it talks about what she goes
through before she even buys thevineyard.
So, you know, she started withsomething small, but she was
consistent.
And let me tell you, the pastfew days have been nothing but
repentance for me.
I've laid in the bathtubcrying, talking to God, like,
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you know, and realizing how muchreligion I still have that I
thought I was completely freefrom.
And, um, I don't know.
It's just been revealing a lotthrough the, just these
scriptures.
I'm very, very grateful foryou.
I'm not, I'm not naked.
At least you're good.
Yeah.
Cause I mean, you know, Iprayed for the life I have
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today.
I prayed for this and I'm notstewarding it well, you know?
And, um, you're learning.
Yeah, I am.
I am.
And, uh, It's been veryexposing.
Marriage for me, we're about tohit two years.
And everybody always asks thisin the beginning.
So how's the honeymoon phase?
How's it going?
I'm like, we haven't had thatyet.
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I guess ours is coming later.
But I always said, you know, itain't Hallmark because it's
not, you know.
But it's been so exposing.
And I'm like, well, King Lemuelor whatever his name is, his
mama didn't say anything aboutany of this stuff.
Unknown (15:18):
Right.
Speaker 02 (15:18):
But it is a process.
Speaker 00 (15:21):
Well, and to talk about that, right?
So me and Jeremy didn't gothrough a honeymoon phase
either.
And I think it's because whenwe were older in life, right?
Like he was 35 when we gotmarried, you know, and I was
almost 40.
You know, we're five yearsapart and we were older in life.
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So when we went to...
counseling with our pastorbefore he would marry us, you
know, he was counseling othercouples at the same time.
And he would be like, okay, sowhat'd y'all argue about this
week?
And we're like, nothing.
And he's like, that's notright.
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Like, young couples argue,right?
People that are, you know, andhe said, you know, and he said,
well, he said, he goes, youknow, the people that just left,
like, she was mad at himbecause he put the toilet paper
on the thing wrong, right?
And I'm like, and I'm like,what?
I don't understand that.
Like, I don't understand that,right?
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Like, I don't care how thetoilet paper's on the roll, you
know?
Well, but Jeremy cares, right?
Jeremy cares on how you put iton there he should be happy that
i just put it on there rightbecause for a long time after we
first got married i just saidit on top because he would whine
about how i put it on there andi'm like i'm not doing that i'm
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not fighting over there that'sstupid like after all the stuff
that i've been through i'm notfighting over the way the toilet
paper goes on the roll i'm justnot i'm not doing that you know
and we went through a season SoI smoked when we got married.
I smoked cigarettes when we gotmarried.
And he hated it.
Oh, my God.
And I'm like, dude, I wassmoking when you started dating
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me.
I was smoking when you proposedto me.
It's not like this is somethingnew, right?
I smoked cigarettes.
I mean, I smoked two packs aday.
I mean, it's not like this wasnew.
And he just kept on and kept onand kept on.
And so then I got to a pointwhere I didn't smoke at home,
but I smoked at work.
I didn't lie.
I didn't tell him I quitsmoking.
But I could still tell.
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And we would fight over that.
Right?
And I would be like, whatever.
But now we don't...
I forgot where I was going withthis, by the way.
But...
But I feel like it's because wewere older.
Like we didn't go through ahoneymoon.
We were already set in ourways.
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We were already older.
Single
Speaker 02 (17:51):
for a long
Speaker 00 (17:51):
time.
Yes.
Because like my sister and herhusband, they've been married 25
years.
And they still do it.
When you see them in public,you think they're newly married.
They hold hands.
They whisper to each other.
They still act that way.
And they've acted that waysince day one.
I used to be like, God, that'sso gross.
Speaker 02 (18:12):
I want it so bad.
I
Speaker 00 (18:16):
do.
I do.
I can't hear you.
I used to be like, oh, my God.
But now that I'm with Jeremyand I have that true love, Like,
I wanted to, right?
Like, I wanted to.
You know, I hold his hand.
I walk beside him.
I don't walk in front of him.
And I've always been theleader, so I've always walked in
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front of them.
I've never, you know, and Idon't do it to do it.
It's just how it is, right?
It's one of those things, likewe talked about on the other
episode, that for the first timein my life, I feel safe, right?
And I feel protected.
And I feel loved.
Whereat I never had thatbefore.
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Not true safety.
Not true protection.
Yeah, you know, and stuff likethat.
So you don't deserve you don'tserve your husband because he's
perfect.
You serve God through how youlove.
That's pretty deep, right?
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Like, You know, I've heard alot lately about how we're
supposed to be the hands andfeet of Jesus and how we're
supposed to love on people andlove where they're at and stuff
like that.
And I do it really well topeople outside in the world.
I don't do it so good when Icome home because I'm tired.
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I've already loved all I wantedtoday.
Right.
You know, I don't always Idon't always do that.
the things right like uh idon't clean my kit like this
morning i had to get up andclean the kitchen because y'all
were coming over he had two daysworth of dirty dishes in the in
the sink you know and he hatesthat and i know he hates it and
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i have a dishwasher and somedays i just don't do it you know
and i don't know you know it's,this has been one of those for
me too.
Like just, I'm like, as far asbeing the married woman, cause
it's been hard for me.
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Right.
Like in some parts of it, it'sreally, really easy.
And then some parts, and wetalked, I talked about this in
an episode before.
I'm not, I don't intentionallythank him for things.
Right.
But he don't, he don'tintentionally thank me for
things either.
Right.
Like, his table where he sitsyou know it's not an elf that
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cleans it off every day andwipes it down it's not an elf
that washes his blue jeans andpresses them and hangs them up
and I iron and I hate it like ifI could figure out a way to get
a robot to iron for me I wouldYou know, but it's one of those
things that, you know, but firstthing y'all say when y'all come
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up, the yard's beautiful.
Well, he works really hard atmaking that yard beautiful.
You know, it's not...
I know, right?
And I have been.
I have been lately.
But that was hard for me.
And then I don't feel like hetells me thank you either,
right?
Speaker 03 (21:20):
Kevin asked me last time.
He was like, I didn't sayanything.
He's like, does the yard lookgood?
I know.
Did I do a good job?
And I'm like, yeah.
Right then I thought, I need tomake sure I'm telling him those
things.
So the next time I'm like, doesthe yard look good?
You know what I'm saying?
Because me, I need that.
Yeah.
Speaker 00 (21:40):
They do.
And, you know, and it's hard.
It's hard.
I'm not used to that.
Right.
Like, so it's it's been hardand I've been getting better
because he like, you know, hemows the grass and straps like
you see on these fancy housesand things like that.
You know, I didn't realize thatthere was difference in grass,
but there is.
Don't laugh.
Don't laugh.
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I'm being serious.
You know, you're his partner.
Yeah.
Not his perfection.
If we were perfect at being awife or perfect at being a
daughter of God, then we wouldbe God.
I mean, let's just be honestabout it.
Proverbs 31, 15 through 17says, She gets up while it is
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still not.
Sets about her work vigorously.
That is every mother.
Whether you're single, whetheryou're married, whether you're
old or young, you keep yourhouse in order.
And sometimes you're doing thejob of two.
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When you're single, and I wassingle for a long time with
mine, it's hard.
It's hard to take care of themphysically and still be present.
Unknown (23:07):
Right.
Speaker 00 (23:07):
And I did not do that well when I was a single
mother.
I did not do that well.
I took care of him, but I wasnot present.
And we've talked about this alot in other episodes, and we've
even had people be like, Iunderstand.
Emotionally, he's Nana.
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Yeah.
is his person, right?
And physically, I'm his person.
And I had to be okay with that.
I
Speaker 03 (23:41):
like this next segment where it talks about the
divorced woman.
I've been that a few times, butnot really because it talks
about the divorced woman.
I like where it says healingdoesn't disqualify you because I
think even as a wife, from mom,whoever, whatever season of
life you're in.
I think there's always somekind of something you're yelling
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from or something.
It's not forever.
That you're going through.
Proverbs 31, 25 says, She isclothed with strength and
dignity, and she laughs at thedays to come.
I love that.
I actually share that versewith you.
Probably about a month ago.
No, maybe a couple weeks agowhen I was going through that at
work.
This scripture literally cameto me, and I posted that.
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Because you know what?
I don't have to be defined bymy past or the things that I've
been through.
I think a lot of times we thinkwe're disqualified from things.
But no, where you're at, youcan just know that you have a
future.
No matter what season, ifyou're married, divorced,
single, wherever you're at, Yourpast don't destroy a few of
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your worth.
You're still called.
You're still valuable.
Even though people might seeyou as a failure, God sees you
as faith in progress.
And when you can say, you knowwhat?
I'm going to get through this.
That's what I was thinking whenI posted that two weeks ago.
You know what?
I'm clothed because I haveintegrity today.
And I know that the strugglethat I was going through at
work, I was like, I know that Iwas in the right and doing the
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right thing.
So I can boldly say that, youknow, I'm going to get through
this.
And that's just where I was atin that season.
Unknown (25:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 03 (25:16):
I love that woman.
Speaker 02 (25:19):
I stood
Speaker 03 (25:19):
on
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business.
Speaker 00 (25:20):
Well, you know, in all honesty, that's where this
podcast came from.
You posted that verse and itslapped me in the face.
Like it was just, I was like,what?
And that's when I starteddiving into Proverbs 31.
You know, I don't know thatI've ever heard the story.
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You know, I don't know.
And I'm sure I did in church.
Right.
But that's not one of thosestories.
It's not like Noah's Ark or,you know, or the woman at the
well or, you know, the birth ofJesus.
Like, I know those stories.
But this story here, I don'tknow if it's because I was a kid
when I was in church, but thisstory here, I guess, never
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resonated with me if I've heardit.
But you posted that verse and Ithought, huh.
And so I Googled it becauseGoogle is my best friend.
And And then I pulled it up inthe Bible and I read it.
And then I was like, huh.
And I read the verse before it.
And then I read the verse, youknow, so I read it backwards.
First of all, like I didn'teven read it from beginning to
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end.
I started with 3125 and read myway up.
And I thought, huh.
So then I started, you know, Istarted digging into it and I
started, you know, reading.
I like to Google things becauseI like to have other people's
perspectives on things.
And I come across anotherpodcast where a lady was talking
about Proverbs 31 woman.
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And her perspective on it wasthat just because it says in the
Bible that you're supposed todo this, this, this, and this,
that if you read, because shesays no one ever reads the first
part of it, right?
Where it's a mother talking toher son, giving him something.
what she wants for him, tellinghim what she wants for him.
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And then it's taken out ofperspective in religion that
this is how the perfect wife issupposed to be.
And that's not what it was evermeant to be.
Because if, again, if we'reperfect, then we're Jesus.
Because that's the only way tobe perfect, is to be Jesus.
One
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thing that comes out of this verse, she is clothed
with strength and dignity.
When you clothe something, youactually put it on.
Just to say, so I envisionthat.
I'm going to put on strengthtoday.
I'm going to put on dignity.
But sometimes that requirestaking something on.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
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This garment of sorrow and whatI've been wandering in for two
days.
Grave clothes.
Yeah, and grave clothes.
I'm going to clothe myself withstrength and dignity, which
comes from the Lord.
And I'm going to laugh withoutfear of the future.
Speaker 02 (28:03):
Yeah, no fear because it's perfect love.
Yeah.
So
Speaker 03 (28:06):
when you're close, there's a confidence.
So you got to wear it.
You have to wear it.
And that's hard.
Yeah, especially when you'regoing through trauma.
It's hard to wear becauseyou're like, because your mind
will trickle.
But once you can get it on, Youget them clothes on, like
you're saying, get all themgreat clothes.
Death's stinking clothes.
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Get some good clothes.
Speaker 02 (28:31):
Well, I always heard Proverbs 31.
I heard it early on.
I wasn't raised in church.
I actually never even read inthe Bible until after I'd heard
the gospel and was born again.
But I remember I kept hearingpeople preach on it, and it was
always in or through like acondemning, lens you know but
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then i do remember like at onepoint early i'm talking baby
baby baby i'm still a baby butbaby baby christian i remember
like reading and i got toephesians it was like oh we all
supposed to be ephesians five solet's talk about that yeah i
like rough and flip featherstill sometimes what's ephesians
Speaker 00 (29:18):
what's ephesians five say
Speaker 02 (29:19):
Oh, I don't have it pulled up.
Speaker 00 (29:22):
Pull it up.
Pull it up.
Let's ruffle some feathers.
That's what we do here.
Speaker 02 (29:26):
That's not what this
Speaker 03 (29:29):
is about.
So while she's pulling that up,I'm going to tell you, when my
dad preached, he sometimes onMother's Day, I remember him
preaching on Proverbs 31 onMother's Day, and he would talk
about my grandmother, and healways talked about how he can't
remember that night it wasstorming, and she would gather
all the kids together, with her,like she was his safe place.
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Oh, yeah.
And it's something he would crytalking about, you know,
because to him, she was that.
Right.
You know what I mean?
And I guess everybody has adifferent perspective of, I
think, of Proverbs 31, wellthen, what's Ephesians 5 say?
Speaker 02 (30:11):
Ephesians 5, I mean, there's a couple different
chapters in it.
But in 22, it starts talkingabout wives and husbands.
I really don't want to get offtopic.
But in it, it starts out with,this is where submission comes
in.
And that submission...
goes both ways, right?
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So that was another thing thatI dealt with early on.
It was always the woman needsto be Proverbs 31 and she needs
to submit to her husband.
Well, then if you keep readingright past that, husbands, love
your wives just as Christ lovedthe church and gave himself for
her to make her holy, cleansingher with the washing of the
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water by the word.
He did this to present thechurch to himself in splendor
without spot or wrinkle oranything like that, but Now, I
mean, it keeps going on, but Imean, that's pretty heavy.
I mean, that's a heavy thing.
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You're totally giving upeverything, right?
Speaker 00 (31:22):
But in all honesty, though, you do, right?
And that's one of the things,you know...
Submission like that was that.
I mean, 10 years ago, do youthink I would have ever
submitted to my husband?
I don't argue with him.
We sit, we discuss and what hesays goes on our finances, on
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any big purchase that we have.
When I started the podcast, youknow, I have just as much
access to the bank account as hedoes.
But before I went to him withit, I prayed about it.
I did my own research on it.
Right.
Like what I needed to getstarted.
What I, you know, because Idon't do that.
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Right.
Every time when he buys me anew car, he wants me to pick one
out.
I pick it out based on color,based on the way it looks.
Right.
And he wants to research it.
He wants to research it, youknow, on its safety and its gas
and all the things or whatever.
Right.
But not me.
That's how I knew that thispodcast was meant to be.
Because before going to him,because it was going to cost a
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significant amount of money tobuy the equipment and to get
started.
And before going to him, Iwanted to know that that was
something I wanted to do.
I wanted to know that that wassomething that God was telling
me to do.
And I wanted to know that itwas something that I was going
to do.
Because when things get hard, Iusually just quit.
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Like, I don't want to deal withit.
Right.
And that's something that I'mrealizing through this podcast,
because the last month has beenhard.
It's been hard to get together.
It's been hard to, you know,and I've had to come up with
other avenues.
I've done a And, you know,every time I do one by myself, I
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think I hear the enemy in myhead saying, see, you're stuck
by yourself.
There you are again.
You know, nobody else cares,which I know is not true.
And, you know, and I know it's,you know, but the last, the one
I just did, right, I did itThursday night.
I did it Thursday night and itpost on Friday.
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You know, I actually I comehome on Friday after work and
did it Friday night and thenposted it.
It was like an hour late beingposted.
And that's because I just couldnot.
I couldn't get that out of myhead.
I couldn't get the enemy out ofmy head.
But my but I am submissive tomy husband.
All big decisions we make gothrough him, and what he decides
is the final thing.
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And if you know me, that wouldnot have ever crossed somebody's
mind.
And it's not that it'ssubmission.
It's not that it's submission,right?
I feel safe enough to do it.
Yeah, because of his love foryou.
I feel that he's going to dowhat's best for me because I'm
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going to do it out of emotion.
And so, you know, they talkabout submission in the Bible.
It's not submission.
It's love.
It really is love, right?
And I have an opinion, right?
And he doesn't dismiss myopinion.
It's not that kind ofsubmission, but it's...
Speaker 02 (34:41):
It's just order and leading.
I mean, God designed it thatway.
Yeah.
You become one flesh.
You put two heads on one body.
It becomes a monster.
Just to go back and touch onthis, you said there's no way.
You kind of looked at me whenyou said that about 10 years ago
about submitting to yourhusband.
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Actually, I knew for a factthat when you married Jeremy
Mooney, that y'all were going toseek the Lord together.
And the reason why I know thatyou were going to be submissive
to him is because just like howthese verses are for the married
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woman, it's also for the singlewoman.
You were already doing thatwith Jesus.
I was.
You were already surrenderingthings as he was revealing stuff
and submitting to his lead inyour life.
And whether you got intoperformance mode, like we talked
about earlier, whatever it was,you were already in that
process.
You're just doing it in adifferent process and a
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different way.
to what God gave you.
And He gave you that leadingand that safety so you could
have that extension of His love.
It's almost like God...
Dear Lord, we come to you today and we thank you
for your presence and we thankyou for the opportunity to have
this podcast and to speak yourpresence and your grace out into
the world.
Lord Jesus, we want to thankyou for the opportunity to pour
into women and men.
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We want to thank you for givingus a word.
We want to pray that you Tellus what to say and that they
hear that you are your presenceis with us Lord Jesus We pray
that today as we talk about theProverbs 31 woman that That you
lead us and you got us into thisconversation We praise you and
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we give you all the glory inJesus name.
We pray.
Amen Welcome back ladies, thisis unrelated sisters truth and
grace conversation and I'mShannon and
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I'm Deb.
I'm Kena.
Speaker 00 (00:58):
And today we are diving deep into the Proverbs 31
woman in every season of life.
Proverbs 31.
So becoming her, the Proverbs31 in every season, you know,
and talking about it.
Proverbs 31 is oftenmisunderstood, right?
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People take it as a perfectioninstead of a poem of potential,
right?
So Proverbs 31 is what you wantto strive to be, I feel like,
where you want to strive to getto, an example, right?
And when you're doing that,you're not going to always be
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perfect, right?
You're not going to alwaysfollow the way it's supposed to
be.
It's not supposed to be achecklist.
It's not supposed to be, well,I'm this woman during this
season of life and I'm thiswoman during this season of
life.
Because we all come fromdifferent places.
We are all in differentseasons.
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And the way that I seesomething or the way that God
convicts my heart for it may notbe the way Or the season that
he's convicted your heart in.
And I believe Proverbs 31 womanis the perfect example of that.
You know, the key verse ischarm is deceptive and beauty is
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fleeting.
But a woman who fears the Lordis to be praised.
Proverbs 31 30.
Right.
That is the first verse.
But you skip, right?
Sometimes when men talk aboutProverbs 31, they skip the first
few verses of Proverbs 31,right?
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They want to skip down to thepart of the woman saying,
Instead of leading up to how wegot there, right?
Because it's about a mothertalking to her son, you know,
and it's about her wanting himto have.
the perfect wife.
I mean, when you have children,you want them to do better than
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you did.
You want them to have betterthan you did.
And that's all she wanted,right?
She wanted her, her son to havea woman that was going to love
him and respect him and, youknow, give him the things that
he needs and in the same, him doher the same way.
And, but they don't want totalk about that part, right?
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They want to talk about thepart of where she's, going to do
this and she's going to dothat.
She's going to be this andshe's going to be that.
So.
I want
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to chime in on the first part where it talks about
the married woman.
I think I do this one kind ofwell.
This round.
You know, this is my fifthmarriage.
Praise God.
Advice marriage.
Proverbs 31, 11 through 12says, Her husband has full
confidence in her.
She brings him good and notharm.
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I can confidently and proudlysay I do this today.
I've not always been that way,you know, in my past.
But these last four years, Itake pride in that, that I'm
loyal to my husband, that hedon't have to worry about me.
Yes.
And that's one of the thingsthat he's like, man, I'm so glad
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that we have issues.
But I'm glad that's not anissue we have that I have to
worry about.
you know, checking up on you orwondering what you're doing.
You know, it's encouragement.
I think I do that well.
That's one of the things theLord has actually helped me with
is I try to do that almostevery day.
Encourage him because, youknow, men go through a lot.
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They go through a lot of stuffthat they don't talk about.
And I think that as a wife,that's one of the things that we
should be intentional aboutabout is encouraging our
husbands and supporting them andloving them.
Because I don't do the gourmetmeals.
I don't do the cooking.
And he's okay with that.
But I do love him and I doencourage him for just how he
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is.
And he loves me just for how Iam.
And I think that...
My mom was a good example ofthe Proverbs 31 woman.
And so I had that growing up.
I definitely have not beenthat.
I was like a really bad wifeall the marriages.
And so I love today that I canbe that for my husband in this
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season.
And I don't have to...
perform like we talked about onthe last episode.
I can, man, he gets to see theugly me.
When I say ugly me, the raw,real, the world.
He says that sometimes.
He's like, I'm glad I get tosee this part of you that the
world don't get to see in themornings.
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That's a perspective.
He said, I'm glad I get to seethat.
Speaker 00 (06:09):
Well, God sees your efforts, first of all, to love
and to support your husband.
And I've not ever been married.
This is my first marriage.
But I was engaged twice.
I planned two full weddings.
Almost got married.
Almost got married a couple oftimes and then would be
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convicted and ended up being therunway bride.
Both times, actually.
But it's because I knew...
That that wasn't where I wassupposed to be at the moment
because I was so broken.
Right.
And I remember even though myparents got divorced when I was
10 and my daddy fell from grace,I can remember as a kid, a
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younger kid, listening to mymom, I pray it not.
You know, my daddy was atraveling evangelist and he did
tent revivals.
And My mama didn't work.
She was a stay-at-home mom.
And I remember hearing herpray, you know, God, you know, I
need grocery money.
You know, I need to buy somepotatoes and some beans.
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You know, let your will bedone.
You know, and then wake up thenext morning and somebody that
had heard my daddy preach thenight before mailed a check for
the exact amount that she neededto go pick up what she needed
or to pay the electric bill orto pay the rent.
And she's not like she called.
It's not like when he called,she told him.
Right.
She didn't say, Dean, you know,we're struggling this month.
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I need blah, blah, blah.
You know, she just prayed aboutit.
And I can remember hearingthat.
And now that I'm in my faith,you know, I'm like, why can't I?
That was hard for me.
It was hard for me to pray andask and believe that God was
going to give it to me when Ifirst started.
I wanted to take care of myselfbecause I was mad at Him.
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We've talked about it.
I stayed mad at Him a lot.
But to be the wife and to bethe wife to God, not just to
your husband, but to be the wifeto God, to be the daughter that
he wants you to be, you have tobe able to pray in support and
love.
Speaker 03 (08:26):
And unity, be in unity.
I think me and Kevin's more inunity today than we've ever
been.
And God, you know, the enemy isalways out to seek your, to
destroy your marriage.
And so when you're aware ofthat and you know his tactics,
you can, I'm like, no, I'm goingto love on him a little extra
today, or I'm going to take thatextra intentional.
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And this is one thing that I'vereally, really been working on
these past few months is beingthis woman to my husband and
keeping God at the center.
That's what it is to me.
The whole difference.
Keeping God at the center.
Speaker 02 (09:04):
I'm on trauma in here.
So you asked me, you said amonth ago, it may have been that
long, to come and do a podcast.
And then, what was it, twoweeks ago that you had asked?
And you said that it was onProverbs 31.
And there was a part of me thatgot excited.
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Because I know thesescriptures.
I studied this early on becauseI desired marriage so much.
And I was like, you know, foryears, years, you know, praying,
praying, praying, wanting ahusband.
And there was a revelation backthen, though, back in 2012.
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I had never been married to anearthly man, but I became a
bride in 2012.
So the word applies to all ofus.
Technically, I'll go off theside here a little bit, the
context in which this is writtenis for any believer.
So I got excited, and then youactually texted me with a date.
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And I was like, God, no, youdidn't tell me the topic at
first.
And then you texted me with thedate and told me what the topic
was.
And I was like, Oh God, causethis is an area I've been
failing in a lot, you know?
And, um, as the bride to Christand bride to my husband and,
um, I was like, you know howyou'll just scroll down, look at
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the message, but not open it soit's not shown that it's seen?
I did that.
And I was actually gettingready for church.
And I was getting ready.
And on the way to church, I'msitting there and I'm reading
over Proverbs 31.
I'm asking God, I'm like, whyare you wanting...
I know you want me to go and doa podcast.
I know you want me at somepoint.
He had already planted thatwhen I was listening to y'all
early on.
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And so I knew, but again, Ididn't know if it was the
timing.
But...
I was not even telling, I'mriding in the car and my
husband's driving.
I'm sitting over there reading,trying to read through the
scripture before I lose phoneservice.
And I'm not telling him becauseI knew I would be held
accountable.
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Like once I tell him, hey, theyasked me to come and do this.
You know, he's going to be allfor it and like support and
encourage.
And, you know, he wants thatfor me.
Yeah.
So I immediately got convictedbecause I wasn't telling him.
I'm sitting there reading this,and your husband trusts in you.
Oh, I'm not even being honestwith him in this moment.
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Like, I should be telling him,but I didn't want that calendar.
I do this with God.
I do this with God.
But...
So I repented right there.
I put my phone down, and I toldhim about it.
I
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was like,
Speaker 02 (11:50):
okay, whatever, Lord, whatever you want me to
do.
And then I was talking to myhusband, and I said, I don't
know why God wants me to talk onthis because I'm like not
hardly any of that right now.
And he said, it's okay, baby.
He was like, talk about whatyou are and where you are.
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And I was like, okay.
He's so loving.
He has been so loving lately.
But anyways, so I'm writing.
And again, I think I ended uptexting you later on.
I was like, yes, I'll do it.
But I'm reading it and I'mlike, God, why would you have me
do this?
I was like, why?
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I'm not these things.
I'm not this.
I'm not that.
I'm not this.
I'm not that.
And he said, did I say that toyou?
Literally heard that.
And I was like, No, I'm sayingthat about myself.
And then I was like, okay.
So I put the word away for alittle bit.
I prayed in it for that.
And then when I got back intoit and started reading the
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scriptures, this time I didn'tlook at all the works and the
things and having to be this andhaving to be that.
You know, this is literallylike you just said earlier.
This is a mother speaking toher son, who's a king.
So she may even be worriedabout his reputation.
But as a mom, I can say, I cangive you a whole list of the
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type of wife I want for my son,but I've never put in there.
She might struggle with anaddiction here and there.
She might, you know, fall awayfor some time.
She might go through a dryseason.
She might not perform in thisarea.
And then I was also, he showedme where I was reading it as if
I'm supposed to be doing allthis stuff perfectly every
single day.
And I'm like, oh.
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But then he shed a new light.
So I started reading throughthe actual scripture, slowing
down, processing.
And I started seeing...
how it's not necessarily aboutthe things.
It's, again, hard posture.
You know, like, she walks in...
purity.
She's prudent.
She plans.
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She stewards well, whatever Godgives, no matter how little it
is.
You know, I'm sure, you know,it talks about what she goes
through before she even buys thevineyard.
So, you know, she started withsomething small, but she was
consistent.
And let me tell you, the pastfew days have been nothing but
repentance for me.
I've laid in the bathtubcrying, talking to God, like,
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you know, and realizing how muchreligion I still have that I
thought I was completely freefrom.
And, um, I don't know.
It's just been revealing a lotthrough the, just these
scriptures.
I'm very, very grateful foryou.
I'm not, I'm not naked.
At least you're good.
Yeah.
Cause I mean, you know, Iprayed for the life I have
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today.
I prayed for this and I'm notstewarding it well, you know?
And, um, you're learning.
Yeah, I am.
I am.
And, uh, It's been veryexposing.
Marriage for me, we're about tohit two years.
And everybody always asks thisin the beginning.
So how's the honeymoon phase?
How's it going?
I'm like, we haven't had thatyet.
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I guess ours is coming later.
But I always said, you know, itain't Hallmark because it's
not, you know.
But it's been so exposing.
And I'm like, well, King Lemuelor whatever his name is, his
mama didn't say anything aboutany of this stuff.
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Right.
Speaker 02 (15:18):
But it is a process.
Speaker 00 (15:21):
Well, and to talk about that, right?
So me and Jeremy didn't gothrough a honeymoon phase
either.
And I think it's because whenwe were older in life, right?
Like he was 35 when we gotmarried, you know, and I was
almost 40.
You know, we're five yearsapart and we were older in life.
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So when we went to...
counseling with our pastorbefore he would marry us, you
know, he was counseling othercouples at the same time.
And he would be like, okay, sowhat'd y'all argue about this
week?
And we're like, nothing.
And he's like, that's notright.
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Like, young couples argue,right?
People that are, you know, andhe said, you know, and he said,
well, he said, he goes, youknow, the people that just left,
like, she was mad at himbecause he put the toilet paper
on the thing wrong, right?
And I'm like, and I'm like,what?
I don't understand that.
Like, I don't understand that,right?
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Like, I don't care how thetoilet paper's on the roll, you
know?
Well, but Jeremy cares, right?
Jeremy cares on how you put iton there he should be happy that
i just put it on there rightbecause for a long time after we
first got married i just saidit on top because he would whine
about how i put it on there andi'm like i'm not doing that i'm
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not fighting over there that'sstupid like after all the stuff
that i've been through i'm notfighting over the way the toilet
paper goes on the roll i'm justnot i'm not doing that you know
and we went through a season SoI smoked when we got married.
I smoked cigarettes when we gotmarried.
And he hated it.
Oh, my God.
And I'm like, dude, I wassmoking when you started dating
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me.
I was smoking when you proposedto me.
It's not like this is somethingnew, right?
I smoked cigarettes.
I mean, I smoked two packs aday.
I mean, it's not like this wasnew.
And he just kept on and kept onand kept on.
And so then I got to a pointwhere I didn't smoke at home,
but I smoked at work.
I didn't lie.
I didn't tell him I quitsmoking.
But I could still tell.
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And we would fight over that.
Right?
And I would be like, whatever.
But now we don't...
I forgot where I was going withthis, by the way.
But...
But I feel like it's because wewere older.
Like we didn't go through ahoneymoon.
We were already set in ourways.
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We were already older.
Single
Speaker 02 (17:51):
for a long
Speaker 00 (17:51):
time.
Yes.
Because like my sister and herhusband, they've been married 25
years.
And they still do it.
When you see them in public,you think they're newly married.
They hold hands.
They whisper to each other.
They still act that way.
And they've acted that waysince day one.
I used to be like, God, that'sso gross.
Speaker 02 (18:12):
I want it so bad.
I
Speaker 00 (18:16):
do.
I do.
I can't hear you.
I used to be like, oh, my God.
But now that I'm with Jeremyand I have that true love, Like,
I wanted to, right?
Like, I wanted to.
You know, I hold his hand.
I walk beside him.
I don't walk in front of him.
And I've always been theleader, so I've always walked in
(18:37):
front of them.
I've never, you know, and Idon't do it to do it.
It's just how it is, right?
It's one of those things, likewe talked about on the other
episode, that for the first timein my life, I feel safe, right?
And I feel protected.
And I feel loved.
Whereat I never had thatbefore.
(18:58):
Not true safety.
Not true protection.
Yeah, you know, and stuff likethat.
So you don't deserve you don'tserve your husband because he's
perfect.
You serve God through how youlove.
That's pretty deep, right?
(19:19):
Like, You know, I've heard alot lately about how we're
supposed to be the hands andfeet of Jesus and how we're
supposed to love on people andlove where they're at and stuff
like that.
And I do it really well topeople outside in the world.
I don't do it so good when Icome home because I'm tired.
(19:40):
I've already loved all I wantedtoday.
Right.
You know, I don't always Idon't always do that.
the things right like uh idon't clean my kit like this
morning i had to get up andclean the kitchen because y'all
were coming over he had two daysworth of dirty dishes in the in
the sink you know and he hatesthat and i know he hates it and
(20:02):
i have a dishwasher and somedays i just don't do it you know
and i don't know you know it's,this has been one of those for
me too.
Like just, I'm like, as far asbeing the married woman, cause
it's been hard for me.
(20:22):
Right.
Like in some parts of it, it'sreally, really easy.
And then some parts, and wetalked, I talked about this in
an episode before.
I'm not, I don't intentionallythank him for things.
Right.
But he don't, he don'tintentionally thank me for
things either.
Right.
Like, his table where he sitsyou know it's not an elf that
(20:43):
cleans it off every day andwipes it down it's not an elf
that washes his blue jeans andpresses them and hangs them up
and I iron and I hate it like ifI could figure out a way to get
a robot to iron for me I wouldYou know, but it's one of those
things that, you know, but firstthing y'all say when y'all come
(21:06):
up, the yard's beautiful.
Well, he works really hard atmaking that yard beautiful.
You know, it's not...
I know, right?
And I have been.
I have been lately.
But that was hard for me.
And then I don't feel like hetells me thank you either,
right?
Speaker 03 (21:20):
Kevin asked me last time.
He was like, I didn't sayanything.
He's like, does the yard lookgood?
I know.
Did I do a good job?
And I'm like, yeah.
Right then I thought, I need tomake sure I'm telling him those
things.
So the next time I'm like, doesthe yard look good?
You know what I'm saying?
Because me, I need that.
Yeah.
Speaker 00 (21:40):
They do.
And, you know, and it's hard.
It's hard.
I'm not used to that.
Right.
Like, so it's it's been hardand I've been getting better
because he like, you know, hemows the grass and straps like
you see on these fancy housesand things like that.
You know, I didn't realize thatthere was difference in grass,
but there is.
Don't laugh.
Don't laugh.
(22:01):
I'm being serious.
You know, you're his partner.
Yeah.
Not his perfection.
If we were perfect at being awife or perfect at being a
daughter of God, then we wouldbe God.
I mean, let's just be honestabout it.
Proverbs 31, 15 through 17says, She gets up while it is
(22:28):
still not.
Sets about her work vigorously.
That is every mother.
Whether you're single, whetheryou're married, whether you're
old or young, you keep yourhouse in order.
And sometimes you're doing thejob of two.
(22:52):
When you're single, and I wassingle for a long time with
mine, it's hard.
It's hard to take care of themphysically and still be present.
Unknown (23:07):
Right.
Speaker 00 (23:07):
And I did not do that well when I was a single
mother.
I did not do that well.
I took care of him, but I wasnot present.
And we've talked about this alot in other episodes, and we've
even had people be like, Iunderstand.
Emotionally, he's Nana.
(23:30):
Yeah.
is his person, right?
And physically, I'm his person.
And I had to be okay with that.
I
Speaker 03 (23:41):
like this next segment where it talks about the
divorced woman.
I've been that a few times, butnot really because it talks
about the divorced woman.
I like where it says healingdoesn't disqualify you because I
think even as a wife, from mom,whoever, whatever season of
life you're in.
I think there's always somekind of something you're yelling
(24:02):
from or something.
It's not forever.
That you're going through.
Proverbs 31, 25 says, She isclothed with strength and
dignity, and she laughs at thedays to come.
I love that.
I actually share that versewith you.
Probably about a month ago.
No, maybe a couple weeks agowhen I was going through that at
work.
This scripture literally cameto me, and I posted that.
(24:25):
Because you know what?
I don't have to be defined bymy past or the things that I've
been through.
I think a lot of times we thinkwe're disqualified from things.
But no, where you're at, youcan just know that you have a
future.
No matter what season, ifyou're married, divorced,
single, wherever you're at, Yourpast don't destroy a few of
(24:47):
your worth.
You're still called.
You're still valuable.
Even though people might seeyou as a failure, God sees you
as faith in progress.
And when you can say, you knowwhat?
I'm going to get through this.
That's what I was thinking whenI posted that two weeks ago.
You know what?
I'm clothed because I haveintegrity today.
And I know that the strugglethat I was going through at
work, I was like, I know that Iwas in the right and doing the
(25:09):
right thing.
So I can boldly say that, youknow, I'm going to get through
this.
And that's just where I was atin that season.
Unknown (25:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 03 (25:16):
I love that woman.
Speaker 02 (25:19):
I stood
Speaker 03 (25:19):
on
Speaker 02 (25:20):
business.
Speaker 00 (25:20):
Well, you know, in all honesty, that's where this
podcast came from.
You posted that verse and itslapped me in the face.
Like it was just, I was like,what?
And that's when I starteddiving into Proverbs 31.
You know, I don't know thatI've ever heard the story.
(25:41):
You know, I don't know.
And I'm sure I did in church.
Right.
But that's not one of thosestories.
It's not like Noah's Ark or,you know, or the woman at the
well or, you know, the birth ofJesus.
Like, I know those stories.
But this story here, I don'tknow if it's because I was a kid
when I was in church, but thisstory here, I guess, never
(26:01):
resonated with me if I've heardit.
But you posted that verse and Ithought, huh.
And so I Googled it becauseGoogle is my best friend.
And And then I pulled it up inthe Bible and I read it.
And then I was like, huh.
And I read the verse before it.
And then I read the verse, youknow, so I read it backwards.
First of all, like I didn'teven read it from beginning to
(26:24):
end.
I started with 3125 and read myway up.
And I thought, huh.
So then I started, you know, Istarted digging into it and I
started, you know, reading.
I like to Google things becauseI like to have other people's
perspectives on things.
And I come across anotherpodcast where a lady was talking
about Proverbs 31 woman.
(26:45):
And her perspective on it wasthat just because it says in the
Bible that you're supposed todo this, this, this, and this,
that if you read, because shesays no one ever reads the first
part of it, right?
Where it's a mother talking toher son, giving him something.
what she wants for him, tellinghim what she wants for him.
(27:08):
And then it's taken out ofperspective in religion that
this is how the perfect wife issupposed to be.
And that's not what it was evermeant to be.
Because if, again, if we'reperfect, then we're Jesus.
Because that's the only way tobe perfect, is to be Jesus.
One
Speaker 03 (27:26):
thing that comes out of this verse, she is clothed
with strength and dignity.
When you clothe something, youactually put it on.
Just to say, so I envisionthat.
I'm going to put on strengthtoday.
I'm going to put on dignity.
But sometimes that requirestaking something on.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
(27:47):
This garment of sorrow and whatI've been wandering in for two
days.
Grave clothes.
Yeah, and grave clothes.
I'm going to clothe myself withstrength and dignity, which
comes from the Lord.
And I'm going to laugh withoutfear of the future.
Speaker 02 (28:03):
Yeah, no fear because it's perfect love.
Yeah.
So
Speaker 03 (28:06):
when you're close, there's a confidence.
So you got to wear it.
You have to wear it.
And that's hard.
Yeah, especially when you'regoing through trauma.
It's hard to wear becauseyou're like, because your mind
will trickle.
But once you can get it on, Youget them clothes on, like
you're saying, get all themgreat clothes.
Death's stinking clothes.
(28:29):
Get some good clothes.
Speaker 02 (28:31):
Well, I always heard Proverbs 31.
I heard it early on.
I wasn't raised in church.
I actually never even read inthe Bible until after I'd heard
the gospel and was born again.
But I remember I kept hearingpeople preach on it, and it was
always in or through like acondemning, lens you know but
(28:53):
then i do remember like at onepoint early i'm talking baby
baby baby i'm still a baby butbaby baby christian i remember
like reading and i got toephesians it was like oh we all
supposed to be ephesians five solet's talk about that yeah i
like rough and flip featherstill sometimes what's ephesians
Speaker 00 (29:18):
what's ephesians five say
Speaker 02 (29:19):
Oh, I don't have it pulled up.
Speaker 00 (29:22):
Pull it up.
Pull it up.
Let's ruffle some feathers.
That's what we do here.
Speaker 02 (29:26):
That's not what this
Speaker 03 (29:29):
is about.
So while she's pulling that up,I'm going to tell you, when my
dad preached, he sometimes onMother's Day, I remember him
preaching on Proverbs 31 onMother's Day, and he would talk
about my grandmother, and healways talked about how he can't
remember that night it wasstorming, and she would gather
all the kids together, with her,like she was his safe place.
(29:52):
Oh, yeah.
And it's something he would crytalking about, you know,
because to him, she was that.
Right.
You know what I mean?
And I guess everybody has adifferent perspective of, I
think, of Proverbs 31, wellthen, what's Ephesians 5 say?
Speaker 02 (30:11):
Ephesians 5, I mean, there's a couple different
chapters in it.
But in 22, it starts talkingabout wives and husbands.
I really don't want to get offtopic.
But in it, it starts out with,this is where submission comes
in.
And that submission...
goes both ways, right?
(30:33):
So that was another thing thatI dealt with early on.
It was always the woman needsto be Proverbs 31 and she needs
to submit to her husband.
Well, then if you keep readingright past that, husbands, love
your wives just as Christ lovedthe church and gave himself for
her to make her holy, cleansingher with the washing of the
(30:54):
water by the word.
He did this to present thechurch to himself in splendor
without spot or wrinkle oranything like that, but Now, I
mean, it keeps going on, but Imean, that's pretty heavy.
I mean, that's a heavy thing.
(31:19):
You're totally giving upeverything, right?
Speaker 00 (31:22):
But in all honesty, though, you do, right?
And that's one of the things,you know...
Submission like that was that.
I mean, 10 years ago, do youthink I would have ever
submitted to my husband?
I don't argue with him.
We sit, we discuss and what hesays goes on our finances, on
(31:48):
any big purchase that we have.
When I started the podcast, youknow, I have just as much
access to the bank account as hedoes.
But before I went to him withit, I prayed about it.
I did my own research on it.
Right.
Like what I needed to getstarted.
What I, you know, because Idon't do that.
(32:10):
Right.
Every time when he buys me anew car, he wants me to pick one
out.
I pick it out based on color,based on the way it looks.
Right.
And he wants to research it.
He wants to research it, youknow, on its safety and its gas
and all the things or whatever.
Right.
But not me.
That's how I knew that thispodcast was meant to be.
Because before going to him,because it was going to cost a
(32:33):
significant amount of money tobuy the equipment and to get
started.
And before going to him, Iwanted to know that that was
something I wanted to do.
I wanted to know that that wassomething that God was telling
me to do.
And I wanted to know that itwas something that I was going
to do.
Because when things get hard, Iusually just quit.
(32:53):
Like, I don't want to deal withit.
Right.
And that's something that I'mrealizing through this podcast,
because the last month has beenhard.
It's been hard to get together.
It's been hard to, you know,and I've had to come up with
other avenues.
I've done a And, you know,every time I do one by myself, I
(33:13):
think I hear the enemy in myhead saying, see, you're stuck
by yourself.
There you are again.
You know, nobody else cares,which I know is not true.
And, you know, and I know it's,you know, but the last, the one
I just did, right, I did itThursday night.
I did it Thursday night and itpost on Friday.
(33:34):
You know, I actually I comehome on Friday after work and
did it Friday night and thenposted it.
It was like an hour late beingposted.
And that's because I just couldnot.
I couldn't get that out of myhead.
I couldn't get the enemy out ofmy head.
But my but I am submissive tomy husband.
All big decisions we make gothrough him, and what he decides
is the final thing.
(33:55):
And if you know me, that wouldnot have ever crossed somebody's
mind.
And it's not that it'ssubmission.
It's not that it's submission,right?
I feel safe enough to do it.
Yeah, because of his love foryou.
I feel that he's going to dowhat's best for me because I'm
(34:19):
going to do it out of emotion.
And so, you know, they talkabout submission in the Bible.
It's not submission.
It's love.
It really is love, right?
And I have an opinion, right?
And he doesn't dismiss myopinion.
It's not that kind ofsubmission, but it's...
Speaker 02 (34:41):
It's just order and leading.
I mean, God designed it thatway.
Yeah.
You become one flesh.
You put two heads on one body.
It becomes a monster.
Just to go back and touch onthis, you said there's no way.
You kind of looked at me whenyou said that about 10 years ago
about submitting to yourhusband.
(35:01):
Actually, I knew for a factthat when you married Jeremy
Mooney, that y'all were going toseek the Lord together.
And the reason why I know thatyou were going to be submissive
to him is because just like howthese verses are for the married
(35:21):
woman, it's also for the singlewoman.
You were already doing thatwith Jesus.
I was.
You were already surrenderingthings as he was revealing stuff
and submitting to his lead inyour life.
And whether you got intoperformance mode, like we talked
about earlier, whatever it was,you were already in that
process.
You're just doing it in adifferent process and a
(35:42):
different way.
to what God gave you.
And He gave you that leadingand that safety so you could
have that extension of His love.
It's almost like God...
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