May 2, 2025 • 31 mins
A powerful, grace-filled conversation about the silent struggles, hidden shame, and private pain that many carry - but rarely speak about. This episode reminds listeners that freedom is possible, healing is real, and no chain is to heavy for God to break.
Isaiah 61:1 "He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners."
In this impactful episode, we open up about hidden chains that often go unspoken-emotional wounds, unforgiveness, fear, shame and guilt. Join us for this redemptive conversation on what it means to bring these secret battles into the light of Gods Truth.
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Speaker 02 (00:00):
So Lord, we come to you today and we just come to
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you with a grateful heart.
God, and we just pray that Aswe do this episode on breaking
chains, Lord, that are unspokenchains, that you would reveal
the things in our life, FatherGod, that need to be eliminated,
the things that we hide.
God, just let your lighteliminate those places, Lord, so
we can heal.
In Jesus' name, amen.
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Amen.
Hey y'all, welcome back toUnrelated Sisters Truth and
Grace Conversation.
I'm Deb.
And I'm Shannon.
Speaker 00 (00:51):
And today, fam, we're getting real.
Like, pull back the curtains,kind of real.
Our episode is called Chains WeDon't Talk About.
Oh
Speaker 02 (01:00):
yeah, these are the things that we small through,
the pain, the pressure, even theprivate battles that nobody
sees, but oh, they're there.
The guilt, the fear, the stuffwe try to bury underneath
busyness and perfection.
Speaker 00 (01:12):
Listen sis, whether it's anxiety, addiction,
unforgiveness, comparison orshame, whatever it is, Jesus
sees it all.
And he didn't come to judgeyou.
He came to set you free.
Speaker 02 (01:25):
Oh, yeah.
Our theme verse today comesfrom Isaiah 61.1.
He has sent me to bind up thebrokenhearted, to proclaim
freedom for the captives andrelease from darkness for the
prisoners.
Speaker 00 (01:38):
So if you've ever felt like you were silently
suffocating under something youcouldn't name or couldn't shake,
this episode is for you.
Let's go there together.
Speaker 02 (01:50):
So let's start with this question.
Have you ever carried a chainsilently for so long that it
just kind of felt normal?
Speaker 00 (02:01):
I think so.
I mean, when you sit down andyou think about all the
different kind of chains that wehave carried,
Speaker 01 (02:07):
and
Speaker 00 (02:08):
the different masks that we all wore, the different
things that we always did, and Idid not realize that this was a
chain that I had been carrying,but I'd been carrying it since
I was a little girl.
But...
I always thought for my daddyto love me, I had to be perfect.
When I was a young kid, if Ispilt my milk or if I didn't
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pick up my toys or if I didn'tdo any of that, I was
disciplined.
My daddy was very, very strict,and we wasn't allowed to...
you know, to watch TV and wewasn't allowed to do a lot of
things that other kids in theworld got to do.
And I always thought it'sbecause I had to be perfect.
I had to be perfect for him.
I had to be perfect for God.
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I had to be perfect for thechurch.
Right.
And I believe it led to a lotof the decisions and the choices
that I made because when myfather fell from grace, and
when he did fall from grace, hefell flat on his face.
It changed my whole world, andI never could understand what
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happened.
I never really understood whathappened because I had always
tried and strived to be thatperfect daughter and that
perfect child, and when it allfell apart, I think I blamed
God.
I feel like I blamed God.
But what I didn't understand isthe older that I've gotten and
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the...
life that I have figured outwith my grace from God is that
it's never been aboutperfection.
It's never been aboutperfection for Him or about
perfection for what I want orwhat I think I need.
It's always just been aboutloving who I am and loving who I
am in Him.
But it took me 25 years to cometo that conclusion.
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But I think we start a lot ofour lives with things that as
children we don't realize thatwe put ourselves in.
And it starts at such a youngage.
And now with social media andeverybody's life looking so
perfect on the Internet all thetime, our daughters have grown
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up in this society where youhave to have the perfect body
and you have to have the perfectthis, you have to have the
perfect that.
And self-doubt and unworthinessis so rampant in our middle
schools and in our younger womenthese days that it's...
We ain't got 25 years to waitfor them to realize that that's
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not what it should be.
Speaker 02 (04:50):
Right.
I think that was one of thethings I struggled with a lot,
too, was being perfect.
You know, I was raised...
My dad's a pastor, and we wasraised in church, and so...
Being a preacher's kid, youkind of had to be perfect, so to
speak, in society's eyes.
And so we looked at it.
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I mean, in my eyes, we kind ofwas, I guess you could say,
growing up.
If I look back, I feel like wewas pretty perfect.
But I think at a young age, Iput these expectations on
myself.
that i couldn't fulfill as igot older and like you said you
start making bad choices andbecause you think well i gotta
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be this and this and this andwhen you can't live up to those
expectations for me i just wentall out the other way
Speaker 00 (05:37):
oh yeah there was never a a middle ground for me
in my life and there was never amiddle ground for my father so
and i'm just like him which lordbless my soul um It's either
we're way over here and it's allGod 100% in life or we're way
over here and it's the world andthe devil 100%.
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There was never that medium inmy life.
It was either you are God oryou're not.
And there was never...
Truth and grace in the middle,which is where God finds you.
And that's not how I was raisedin the church, and that's not
how I was raised to believe inthe church or to believe in God
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in that way.
And until I started digginginto...
the Bible myself and intodifferent religions and
different things of differentreligions and things, it never
did dawn on me how much Godtruly loved us and how much He
gave up for us to be our Saviorand to take care of us.
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But there's all kinds ofdifferent kinds of chains that
women wear.
We compare ourselves to theneighbor.
We compare ourselves living upwith the Joneses, right?
I remember hearing that growingup.
And we were never...
able to live with the Joneses.
We were pretty poor growing up.
But, you know, you still seenthose people that wore the nice
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clothes and had the nice cars.
And, you know, you alwaysthought that's what you wanted.
And then even when you grow upand you get that, it still
doesn't fix whatever it is thatchain is wrapped around you for,
whatever reason it's there.
Speaker 02 (07:24):
Yeah, I think that shame is one of the biggest
things and guilt.
After I got over deciding Icouldn't be perfect and I
started making bad choices, thenthe shame and guilt kicked in.
You were raised better thanthis, so that's another change.
You're just getting bondagemore and more from these
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different things in your life.
The guilt was really, reallyhard for me.
Then you start comparingyourself.
Like you said, social mediais...
You know, you're definitelycomparing yourself all the time.
And you say you ain't, but insome way, shape, form, or
fashion, I feel like everybody,low-key, compares herself to
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other people.
You know what I mean?
And so bondage is real.
And you don't even know you'rein bondage.
You don't even know thatthat's, you know, oh, man, she
looks good.
I wish I looked like that.
And then you start just likedwelling on those things.
Right.
You know what I mean?
And then you're in bondage overit because then you're like,
because you can't be like that.
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Well, I'm not willing to eathealthy.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 01 (08:32):
Right.
Speaker 02 (08:32):
Doing like
Speaker 00 (08:32):
that.
Oh, yeah.
I get it.
100%.
I think that was the hardestthing, coming out of addiction,
having my son, choosing my sonover the life that I had been
living and trying to just figureout who I was.
The guilt.
Yeah.
was the hardest part for me.
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I remember the first day Istepped back into a church and,
you know, church hurt is real.
People don't all, don't allpeople agree with that, but
church hurt is real.
I remember the first day Istepped back into a church, a
friend of me invited me to comeand I stood there while
everybody else was worshipingand I gripped the back of the
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chair that was in front of me towhen I sat down, my
fingerprints was in the chairand it was all the And the shame
and the unworthiness and the,and the just all the bad choices
that I'd made, you know, peoplesay they see their life flash
before their eyes.
And I swear standing there inthat church, every bad thing I'd
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ever done, every bad choice I'dever made, every bad thought
I'd ever had, everything.
that the enemy wanted me toremember come flooding back, you
know, and I felt like I wasgoing to catch on fire and stand
in there in that church.
Like God is going to strike medead today, uh, standing there
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in that church.
And I remember, I'll neverforget pastor Stan.
He, uh, he stayed, he gets upon that pulpit and he, um, he,
shakes his head and he says wellif you've come here to worship
a holy man you've come to thewrong place i did this this week
and i did this this week and ihad to ask for forgiveness for
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this and none of it was badright like he got angry with the
driver in front of him and youknow and he had a bad thought
about somebody or something butto him that was bad right but he
was a preacher standing behindthe pulpit saying he was human.
And I think that was the startof the first chain link breaking
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in my chain of guilt because Ithought, huh, I had never heard
a preacher talk like that.
They lived perfect.
They had perfect lives andperfect wives and perfect
families and perfect homes andjust for him to be human.
made a difference and i believethat was probably one of the
starting points of me losing mychains you know i think a
Speaker 02 (11:06):
lot of times when we do realize oh this is a chain
in my life i'm in bondage andthe lord reveals that and you
get set free and you surrenderyou're like i'm free from that
and you pick it back up iremember my dad telling me one
time when you get free fromthose chains don't pick them
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back up and play with them And Iwas like, oh, yeah.
So it made sense to me when hesaid that because I was guilty
of that a lot of times.
You know, God would, he's like,you know, I'm forgiving you.
And then he's restored myrelationship with my kids.
And then, you know, and I'mhaving a good relationship with
them.
And then all of a sudden I'mdriving down the road and this
guilt kicks in.
Like, I wish I could be aparent.
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Or what if I would be a parentto them like I'm a Gigi to my
grandkids?
And that thought come to mymind.
And I immediately had to say,you know what?
Lord, I thank you that I'm agood Gigi today.
I might not have been a goodmom, but I know my kids forgive
me, and I know you forgive me.
He's restored thatrelationship.
But in that moment, had I notchanged my thoughts, I could
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have easily got back in bondagewith that.
Speaker 00 (12:13):
Oh, yeah.
You know what I mean?
Oh, yeah.
And I catch myself, and I haveto do the same thing again.
When my son was born, I was notin a healthy place mentally.
And so when most moms bond withtheir babies, that was not me,
right?
He was fed.
His diaper was changed.
He was physically well takencare of.
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But mentally and emotionally,his Nana did that, right?
His Nana did the emotionalparts of his life, and she did
it.
while he grew up because I wasnot in a place until he was, I
don't know, eight or nine yearsold to be there for him on that,
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on that level.
So even to this day, when hehas a emotional thing, he, he
goes to his Nana.
He, he, that's who he goes towhen he wants a hug or he wants
to lay and just cry his Nana,who he goes to.
And he, still today that tearsme up inside you know um we have
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over the last 10 years ourrelationship has definitely
grown and we are closer now thanwe've ever been but there's
still that part you know it'sstill that part but i can't
blame anybody i can't blame himi can't blame miss nana all i
can do is be thankful that shewas there for him and that he
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has that You know, and that isdefinitely one of the things,
you know, he called me the otherday and he said, no, I wouldn't
answer the phone.
So I thought I'd call you.
And I was like, you know, andyeah, that's all I can do.
You know, and then when I'mdone talking with him, I have to
be like, okay.
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It's okay.
It's okay.
And even when you think you'reover it, the devil knows, the
enemy knows to throw it back atyou.
And he doesn't mean to do it.
My son doesn't mean to do that.
It's just how it is.
But it's going to be okay.
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I try not to say I'm fine.
That is the worst chain thatwomen have in this world.
It's fine.
Everything's fine.
It's fine.
I'm fine.
It's okay.
It's good.
It's fine.
Yep.
It's fine.
It is not fine.
If a woman is telling you it isfine, it is not fine.
Something is going on.
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Whether it has to do with youor not, something is going on,
right?
So I try very hard not to usethose words.
I feel like they're very, verydescriptive when they come from
a woman.
When you start saying, well,I'm fine.
Everything's fine.
It's either good or bad.
It's either good or bad, right?
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So what is it?
Don't tell me you're fine.
You're lying.
But I don't know.
Sometimes we feel like we'resuffocating, and we don't know
why, and we don't know how.
I can remember a time, youknow, I've not always been great
at listening to what God has tosay.
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I'm very stubborn, and I liketo try things my way first.
And I feel like sometimes thatthat's a chain thing.
Because I get this.
My co-workers laugh at me, butthe other day when we first
started talking about thispodcast, I was so excited.
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And I was at work and they'relike, are you okay?
I was like, no, there's a zebrasitting on my chest.
And they're like, a zebra?
I was like, yeah, it's notquite as heavy as an elephant,
but it's lighter than a dog.
And they're all like, what?
I don't understand.
And I'm like...
this because you know i'm stillfighting with god about doing
this podcast you know i'm stilllike i don't know my husband's
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right you know i say i want todo things and i get all excited
about it and then i decide iwant to do it you know i've got
500 worth of cricket stuffupstairs you know i made
t-shirts like eight times youknow um And that's a chain.
All chains don't have to beguilt or shame or comparison.
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It's whatever you say orsomeone says or whatever you
feel that makes you feel likeyou are in bondage or makes you
feel like you are lost orconfused or makes you feel...
You need something.
That's what it is, right?
Like you have this hole andnothing is fulfilling that hole.
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And that is where you arebondage.
Speaker 02 (17:00):
And I know for me, like for a long time when I was
in severe bondage, addiction andall of it, even when I come out
of addiction, I was still inbondage with a lot of things,
you know, especially the guiltand stuff.
And I remember when I got savedfor real, for real, This is the
last time I say that.
Four years ago, I remembergoing back to a meeting we were
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having.
We were at a place called Hope.
We were doing the Battle Pit ofthe Mind with Joyce Myers.
And I had been cleaning most ofthe year.
And I got back with my husband.
He was in addiction.
Did it my way.
Ended up relapsing.
Instead of waiting on God,standing separated and letting
God pick, you know, fix thesituation I thought I could fix
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it so I ended up relapsing wason a three month binge and
surrendered back to God and itwas so hard to walk back through
them doors I remember Icouldn't even raise my hands I
felt so much I was so bound byguilt and stuff because I'm like
what are they gonna and thesewere my friends that I
worshipped with and stuff andI'm like what are they they're
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probably thinking yeah how longis this gonna last this time you
know all the voices in me Oh,yeah.
And I remember sitting there.
Everybody was worshipingbecause they worship so freely.
And like I said, I couldn'teven raise my hands.
And the Lord spoke to me.
And he was like, who are youdoing this for?
Who are you worshiping to?
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And I was like, oh, this ain'teven about nobody else but you,
God.
And so I began to raise myhand.
And, you know, when you'rebound, you're confined.
You know what I mean?
You can't even worship a lot oftimes.
And so once I started doing it,when I raised my hand and
started worshiping, I could feelthose chains falling.
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You know what I mean?
Speaker 00 (18:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 02 (18:53):
It was so freeing.
Speaker 00 (18:55):
And I think one of the other hardest things is as
women or as daughters, I know,and I feel like I'm kind of
suffering with this right now asa bondage right now, is I
forgive.
But it's hard to forget.
And you're going to understandthis part.
So my daddy is recovering fromaddiction.
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And we've been trying to handlethat relationship, trying to
mend that relationship.
And I still, to this day, and Ijust did it the other day, he
hadn't texted me in over amonth.
He hadn't reached out in over amonth.
And I thought, hmm, I wonderwhat he's up to.
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And it's automatic, I think,the worst.
And I shouldn't.
I shouldn't.
I mean, he's been clean goingon like four years now.
He's doing NA meetings.
He's like...
leading them or whatever andhe's trying to find his way and
and it's a battle for himbecause he is covered in the
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guilt bondage right now right hehe's covered he knows god loves
him but he he doesn't lovehimself yet right but i catch
myself and and now that i thinkabout that sitting here talking
with you that that's just achain right because i say i
forgive him But then I let thatthought come to my head
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immediately.
And then two days later, hetexts me and said, hey, I was
just thinking about you.
And then I felt guilty becausea few days later, I thought
that.
And it's hard when it's aparent and child.
It has to be, right?
Speaker 02 (20:41):
You know, my dad once said, you can't stop a bird
from flying over your head.
But you can stop it frombuilding a nest.
Same thing with your thoughts.
You can't stop what you think.
But you don't have to...
We don't have to get bound.
We don't have to dwell on it.
We don't have to...
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Which is hard sometimes.
Because those thoughts aregoing to come.
And I know my girls felt likethat too.
They're like, when's mom goingto pull up the wagon?
I had to get out of that whereI wasn't parenting out of guilt.
And I still do that with Oren.
Um...
Probably another thing that youdon't even realize that you're
doing.
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Right.
Is parenting out of guilt fromthe things that I didn't do
before.
So I try to make up for it.
And he ain't trying to...
He just wants me to be present.
You know what I mean?
And I think that a lot of timeswe try to make up for things
that we did in our past.
And if we could just learnto...
Forgive yourself.
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That's probably one of thehardest things is learning to
forgive myself and to walk intothat freedom.
Speaker 00 (21:59):
it doesn't matter, right?
The addiction, whether it bedrugs or something else, right?
Addiction is so many differentthings.
Everybody automatically assumesaddiction is drugs, but it's
not.
And bondage comes with eachpiece of that, right?
And the emotions and thefeelings of guilt and all of
that all come with the same.
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It's all one thing.
Addiction's addictionregardless of what you're
addicted to.
And sometimes you have to thinkabout How do we actually break
these chains?
How can we move or find thehealing in the chains?
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And it doesn't just break andsnap off, right?
Because if it did, that wouldbe easy, right?
And God gives us theopportunity to...
take one link at a time, right?
Because you have to heal in theprocess, right?
It's not just, I'm going topray and this chain's going to
be gone, you know?
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It's going to be one link at atime because in each link that
comes off of the chain, you findpeace or you find grace in each
link that falls apart.
And we can't do that alone,right?
We can't do that alone by anymeans.
We have to have sisters andbrothers and family and friends
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that are there to help us breakthat link.
And we have to have each other,and then we have to have God.
And He gives you the peoplethat you need in the time that
you need them.
Unknown (23:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 00 (23:39):
So what does breaking the chains or the
freedom in light, what does thatlook like?
You have to acknowledge thechains.
You have to invite God's truthinto them.
You have to talk about it withsomeone safe.
And you have to walk daily inthat freedom.
So walking daily in thatfreedom, I think, is something
that I still struggle with.
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It's not perfection.
It's surrender.
And every day has to be asurrender.
It can't be, okay, I'llsurrender today, and tomorrow
I'm going
Speaker 02 (24:10):
to
Speaker 00 (24:11):
be
Speaker 02 (24:11):
sad.
I think a lot of it, too, isacknowledging, like you said,
acknowledging that you have aproblem.
I think as women, we want tomask that.
I'm fine.
Like you were saying, I've gotit together.
Instead of saying, hey, look,I'm struggling today.
I'm struggling with thisunforgiveness or whatever you're
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struggling with that day.
Because when you reveal thosethings and you're transparent,
that's when the Lord can really,that's where your healing
really comes from, istransparency.
You can't heal what you don'tcomprise.
Speaker 00 (24:43):
Right.
And you can't heal if you don'ttell people what it is, right?
You can't.
You have to stop pretendingthat it's not there.
it has to have a name.
It has to be what it is.
And as women, we're the centerof the family.
We're the mother.
We're the caregivers.
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And just because we're womendoesn't mean that all the time
that we have to be perfect or wehave to be that caregiver.
Sometimes it's I need a minute.
Sometimes it's, I'm going toshut the door and you're just
going to let me be for a minute.
And that's okay.
And it has to be okay.
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And you have to understand thatit's okay.
That it's okay.
And then asking God to speakinto the place and to keep those
things off limits.
That goes back to the episodewe did last week where what you
speak into the world, right?
It's what you speak into yourpresence.
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It's what you speak into yourbubble.
It's what you speak intohowever you do it.
Your tongue is like thestrongest muscle of your body.
And you have to be able to, youknow, speak, surrender into
your life.
Speak life.
Speaker 02 (26:02):
Speak life.
Yeah, speak life.
Yeah.
You know, and if we don'tilluminate it and it stays
hidden, you know, I said wecouldn't ever heal.
But once it's out of the dark,the enemy loses power.
Speaker 00 (26:14):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 02 (26:15):
He's lost his power.
That's why he don't want you totell it.
Speaker 00 (26:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 02 (26:18):
He knows he's been found out.
Speaker 00 (26:19):
Yeah.
And you have to share, youknow, I have a friend and she's
like, she is in awe of the factthat I openly discuss my past.
I openly discuss my drugaddiction, my addiction to toxic
men.
I openly discuss, you know, thethings that led to where I'm at
today.
And I, to that because that'sthe only way that I have been
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able to find peace in my life.
And she's like, I just can't doit.
And I'm like, I'm not reallyworried.
Like if I go and stand in achurch and I tell my story and
it offends somebody, then I needto pray with them.
And that's how I truly feelabout it.
And that might be right orwrong.
I don't know.
But that's how I feel about itbecause my story is what grace
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is about grace.
Speaker 02 (27:05):
My dad, he laughs at me.
He said, Some of that stuff yousay from the pulpit, I'm like,
I don't care, Dad.
You know what I mean?
He'd just be joking with mebecause I'm just raw and real.
Speaker 00 (27:15):
You know what I mean?
I don't care.
That's what I love about you.
You know, but right.
And right, you have to be.
Speaker 02 (27:22):
He has an older congregation, too, and I'm like,
I'm going to say it anyway.
Because that's where God'sbrought me from.
Speaker 00 (27:28):
Right.
I'm not ashamed anymore.
No, and you can't be.
That's how you find yourfreedom.
That's how you let the chainsgo.
And we have to, you know, youhave to be able to...
it says talk about it withsomeone, someone that you feel
safe with, maybe the first time.
But the second time, it needsto be with whoever is around.
I have people, I came backyesterday from work, and one of
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my coaches says, she goes,people's been looking for you.
I was like, who's been lookingfor you?
Kelly needs prayer.
And that's one of myassociates.
And it makes my heart bubble toknow that Right.
But they take grace in thatmoment, you know, and being the
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head boss or being the storemanager in that retail.
At first, I was a littleworried about my faith, about
how strong I was going to showmy faith.
But I can't hide it.
I just I can't.
Right.
And I tell them, you know, ifthis isn't your thing, then
that's fine.
You know, I can relate howeveryou come to me.
And I believe that I've earnedthat respect from the associates
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in that building.
And it just makes it so muchmore easier when you don't have
to feel.
Because in the world today,sometimes you feel like you have
to hide that.
And that's a chain that allChristians wear.
Speaker 02 (29:07):
People are going to judge you.
That's what I'm open to.
I'm like, listen.
Tell it, I don't care.
You know what I mean?
You can talk to me aboutwhatever.
It probably ain't nothing thatyou're saying I ain't done.
You know what I mean?
Or God hasn't brought me from,so.
Well,
Speaker 00 (29:24):
Ephesians 5.13 says, Everything exposed by the light
becomes visible, and everythingthat is eliminated becomes a
light.
You bring in to the light notfor shame, but for healing.
That is so powerful, right?
Because once it's out of thedark, the enemy loses its power,
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and God turns your pain into atestimony, right?
And that's what me and Deborahboth hope that y'all find in
this.
podcast that we're doing isthat you find that light, you
find that power, you find thatGod and turn your pain into
testimony.
Turn the things that you'vebeen through into that
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testimony.
We want you to share that withus in the comments.
We want you to be a part of ourpodcast.
And we are so grateful andhumble that you have listened to
us today in our podcast onBreaking Chains.
If you would lead us in aprayer, Ms.
Deborah.
Speaker 02 (30:24):
Yes.
Lord, we love you today, God.
And we thank you for breakingthe chains in our life, God.
And we pray that you would justexpose those areas of our life
that we may not even know about.
That we may be walking aroundand carrying that we're not even
sure what it is, God.
We just pray that you wouldilluminate those things.
Lord, and bring it to light,and that you would give us the
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boldness and confidence to bringit to you, Lord, that you would
heal those broken places, God,that nobody knows about, Lord,
so that we can walk in totalfreedom, Lord.
And we thank you for thatfreedom today, God.
In Jesus' name, amen.
Speaker 00 (31:01):
Amen.
Remember, your silence doesn'tdisqualify you.
God hears, he sees, and he'salready moving.
until next time related sisterskeep walking in truth and grace
we love y'all we love y'all bye
So Lord, we come to you today and we just come to
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you with a grateful heart.
God, and we just pray that Aswe do this episode on breaking
chains, Lord, that are unspokenchains, that you would reveal
the things in our life, FatherGod, that need to be eliminated,
the things that we hide.
God, just let your lighteliminate those places, Lord, so
we can heal.
In Jesus' name, amen.
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Amen.
Hey y'all, welcome back toUnrelated Sisters Truth and
Grace Conversation.
I'm Deb.
And I'm Shannon.
Speaker 00 (00:51):
And today, fam, we're getting real.
Like, pull back the curtains,kind of real.
Our episode is called Chains WeDon't Talk About.
Oh
Speaker 02 (01:00):
yeah, these are the things that we small through,
the pain, the pressure, even theprivate battles that nobody
sees, but oh, they're there.
The guilt, the fear, the stuffwe try to bury underneath
busyness and perfection.
Speaker 00 (01:12):
Listen sis, whether it's anxiety, addiction,
unforgiveness, comparison orshame, whatever it is, Jesus
sees it all.
And he didn't come to judgeyou.
He came to set you free.
Speaker 02 (01:25):
Oh, yeah.
Our theme verse today comesfrom Isaiah 61.1.
He has sent me to bind up thebrokenhearted, to proclaim
freedom for the captives andrelease from darkness for the
prisoners.
Speaker 00 (01:38):
So if you've ever felt like you were silently
suffocating under something youcouldn't name or couldn't shake,
this episode is for you.
Let's go there together.
Speaker 02 (01:50):
So let's start with this question.
Have you ever carried a chainsilently for so long that it
just kind of felt normal?
Speaker 00 (02:01):
I think so.
I mean, when you sit down andyou think about all the
different kind of chains that wehave carried,
Speaker 01 (02:07):
and
Speaker 00 (02:08):
the different masks that we all wore, the different
things that we always did, and Idid not realize that this was a
chain that I had been carrying,but I'd been carrying it since
I was a little girl.
But...
I always thought for my daddyto love me, I had to be perfect.
When I was a young kid, if Ispilt my milk or if I didn't
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pick up my toys or if I didn'tdo any of that, I was
disciplined.
My daddy was very, very strict,and we wasn't allowed to...
you know, to watch TV and wewasn't allowed to do a lot of
things that other kids in theworld got to do.
And I always thought it'sbecause I had to be perfect.
I had to be perfect for him.
I had to be perfect for God.
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I had to be perfect for thechurch.
Right.
And I believe it led to a lotof the decisions and the choices
that I made because when myfather fell from grace, and
when he did fall from grace, hefell flat on his face.
It changed my whole world, andI never could understand what
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happened.
I never really understood whathappened because I had always
tried and strived to be thatperfect daughter and that
perfect child, and when it allfell apart, I think I blamed
God.
I feel like I blamed God.
But what I didn't understand isthe older that I've gotten and
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the...
life that I have figured outwith my grace from God is that
it's never been aboutperfection.
It's never been aboutperfection for Him or about
perfection for what I want orwhat I think I need.
It's always just been aboutloving who I am and loving who I
am in Him.
But it took me 25 years to cometo that conclusion.
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But I think we start a lot ofour lives with things that as
children we don't realize thatwe put ourselves in.
And it starts at such a youngage.
And now with social media andeverybody's life looking so
perfect on the Internet all thetime, our daughters have grown
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up in this society where youhave to have the perfect body
and you have to have the perfectthis, you have to have the
perfect that.
And self-doubt and unworthinessis so rampant in our middle
schools and in our younger womenthese days that it's...
We ain't got 25 years to waitfor them to realize that that's
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not what it should be.
Speaker 02 (04:50):
Right.
I think that was one of thethings I struggled with a lot,
too, was being perfect.
You know, I was raised...
My dad's a pastor, and we wasraised in church, and so...
Being a preacher's kid, youkind of had to be perfect, so to
speak, in society's eyes.
And so we looked at it.
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I mean, in my eyes, we kind ofwas, I guess you could say,
growing up.
If I look back, I feel like wewas pretty perfect.
But I think at a young age, Iput these expectations on
myself.
that i couldn't fulfill as igot older and like you said you
start making bad choices andbecause you think well i gotta
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be this and this and this andwhen you can't live up to those
expectations for me i just wentall out the other way
Speaker 00 (05:37):
oh yeah there was never a a middle ground for me
in my life and there was never amiddle ground for my father so
and i'm just like him which lordbless my soul um It's either
we're way over here and it's allGod 100% in life or we're way
over here and it's the world andthe devil 100%.
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There was never that medium inmy life.
It was either you are God oryou're not.
And there was never...
Truth and grace in the middle,which is where God finds you.
And that's not how I was raisedin the church, and that's not
how I was raised to believe inthe church or to believe in God
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in that way.
And until I started digginginto...
the Bible myself and intodifferent religions and
different things of differentreligions and things, it never
did dawn on me how much Godtruly loved us and how much He
gave up for us to be our Saviorand to take care of us.
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But there's all kinds ofdifferent kinds of chains that
women wear.
We compare ourselves to theneighbor.
We compare ourselves living upwith the Joneses, right?
I remember hearing that growingup.
And we were never...
able to live with the Joneses.
We were pretty poor growing up.
But, you know, you still seenthose people that wore the nice
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clothes and had the nice cars.
And, you know, you alwaysthought that's what you wanted.
And then even when you grow upand you get that, it still
doesn't fix whatever it is thatchain is wrapped around you for,
whatever reason it's there.
Speaker 02 (07:24):
Yeah, I think that shame is one of the biggest
things and guilt.
After I got over deciding Icouldn't be perfect and I
started making bad choices, thenthe shame and guilt kicked in.
You were raised better thanthis, so that's another change.
You're just getting bondagemore and more from these
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different things in your life.
The guilt was really, reallyhard for me.
Then you start comparingyourself.
Like you said, social mediais...
You know, you're definitelycomparing yourself all the time.
And you say you ain't, but insome way, shape, form, or
fashion, I feel like everybody,low-key, compares herself to
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other people.
You know what I mean?
And so bondage is real.
And you don't even know you'rein bondage.
You don't even know thatthat's, you know, oh, man, she
looks good.
I wish I looked like that.
And then you start just likedwelling on those things.
Right.
You know what I mean?
And then you're in bondage overit because then you're like,
because you can't be like that.
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Well, I'm not willing to eathealthy.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 01 (08:32):
Right.
Speaker 02 (08:32):
Doing like
Speaker 00 (08:32):
that.
Oh, yeah.
I get it.
100%.
I think that was the hardestthing, coming out of addiction,
having my son, choosing my sonover the life that I had been
living and trying to just figureout who I was.
The guilt.
Yeah.
was the hardest part for me.
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I remember the first day Istepped back into a church and,
you know, church hurt is real.
People don't all, don't allpeople agree with that, but
church hurt is real.
I remember the first day Istepped back into a church, a
friend of me invited me to comeand I stood there while
everybody else was worshipingand I gripped the back of the
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chair that was in front of me towhen I sat down, my
fingerprints was in the chairand it was all the And the shame
and the unworthiness and the,and the just all the bad choices
that I'd made, you know, peoplesay they see their life flash
before their eyes.
And I swear standing there inthat church, every bad thing I'd
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ever done, every bad choice I'dever made, every bad thought
I'd ever had, everything.
that the enemy wanted me toremember come flooding back, you
know, and I felt like I wasgoing to catch on fire and stand
in there in that church.
Like God is going to strike medead today, uh, standing there
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in that church.
And I remember, I'll neverforget pastor Stan.
He, uh, he stayed, he gets upon that pulpit and he, um, he,
shakes his head and he says wellif you've come here to worship
a holy man you've come to thewrong place i did this this week
and i did this this week and ihad to ask for forgiveness for
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this and none of it was badright like he got angry with the
driver in front of him and youknow and he had a bad thought
about somebody or something butto him that was bad right but he
was a preacher standing behindthe pulpit saying he was human.
And I think that was the startof the first chain link breaking
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in my chain of guilt because Ithought, huh, I had never heard
a preacher talk like that.
They lived perfect.
They had perfect lives andperfect wives and perfect
families and perfect homes andjust for him to be human.
made a difference and i believethat was probably one of the
starting points of me losing mychains you know i think a
Speaker 02 (11:06):
lot of times when we do realize oh this is a chain
in my life i'm in bondage andthe lord reveals that and you
get set free and you surrenderyou're like i'm free from that
and you pick it back up iremember my dad telling me one
time when you get free fromthose chains don't pick them
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back up and play with them And Iwas like, oh, yeah.
So it made sense to me when hesaid that because I was guilty
of that a lot of times.
You know, God would, he's like,you know, I'm forgiving you.
And then he's restored myrelationship with my kids.
And then, you know, and I'mhaving a good relationship with
them.
And then all of a sudden I'mdriving down the road and this
guilt kicks in.
Like, I wish I could be aparent.
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Or what if I would be a parentto them like I'm a Gigi to my
grandkids?
And that thought come to mymind.
And I immediately had to say,you know what?
Lord, I thank you that I'm agood Gigi today.
I might not have been a goodmom, but I know my kids forgive
me, and I know you forgive me.
He's restored thatrelationship.
But in that moment, had I notchanged my thoughts, I could
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have easily got back in bondagewith that.
Speaker 00 (12:13):
Oh, yeah.
You know what I mean?
Oh, yeah.
And I catch myself, and I haveto do the same thing again.
When my son was born, I was notin a healthy place mentally.
And so when most moms bond withtheir babies, that was not me,
right?
He was fed.
His diaper was changed.
He was physically well takencare of.
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But mentally and emotionally,his Nana did that, right?
His Nana did the emotionalparts of his life, and she did
it.
while he grew up because I wasnot in a place until he was, I
don't know, eight or nine yearsold to be there for him on that,
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on that level.
So even to this day, when hehas a emotional thing, he, he
goes to his Nana.
He, he, that's who he goes towhen he wants a hug or he wants
to lay and just cry his Nana,who he goes to.
And he, still today that tearsme up inside you know um we have
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over the last 10 years ourrelationship has definitely
grown and we are closer now thanwe've ever been but there's
still that part you know it'sstill that part but i can't
blame anybody i can't blame himi can't blame miss nana all i
can do is be thankful that shewas there for him and that he
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has that You know, and that isdefinitely one of the things,
you know, he called me the otherday and he said, no, I wouldn't
answer the phone.
So I thought I'd call you.
And I was like, you know, andyeah, that's all I can do.
You know, and then when I'mdone talking with him, I have to
be like, okay.
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It's okay.
It's okay.
And even when you think you'reover it, the devil knows, the
enemy knows to throw it back atyou.
And he doesn't mean to do it.
My son doesn't mean to do that.
It's just how it is.
But it's going to be okay.
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I try not to say I'm fine.
That is the worst chain thatwomen have in this world.
It's fine.
Everything's fine.
It's fine.
I'm fine.
It's okay.
It's good.
It's fine.
Yep.
It's fine.
It is not fine.
If a woman is telling you it isfine, it is not fine.
Something is going on.
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Whether it has to do with youor not, something is going on,
right?
So I try very hard not to usethose words.
I feel like they're very, verydescriptive when they come from
a woman.
When you start saying, well,I'm fine.
Everything's fine.
It's either good or bad.
It's either good or bad, right?
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So what is it?
Don't tell me you're fine.
You're lying.
But I don't know.
Sometimes we feel like we'resuffocating, and we don't know
why, and we don't know how.
I can remember a time, youknow, I've not always been great
at listening to what God has tosay.
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I'm very stubborn, and I liketo try things my way first.
And I feel like sometimes thatthat's a chain thing.
Because I get this.
My co-workers laugh at me, butthe other day when we first
started talking about thispodcast, I was so excited.
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And I was at work and they'relike, are you okay?
I was like, no, there's a zebrasitting on my chest.
And they're like, a zebra?
I was like, yeah, it's notquite as heavy as an elephant,
but it's lighter than a dog.
And they're all like, what?
I don't understand.
And I'm like...
this because you know i'm stillfighting with god about doing
this podcast you know i'm stilllike i don't know my husband's
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right you know i say i want todo things and i get all excited
about it and then i decide iwant to do it you know i've got
500 worth of cricket stuffupstairs you know i made
t-shirts like eight times youknow um And that's a chain.
All chains don't have to beguilt or shame or comparison.
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It's whatever you say orsomeone says or whatever you
feel that makes you feel likeyou are in bondage or makes you
feel like you are lost orconfused or makes you feel...
You need something.
That's what it is, right?
Like you have this hole andnothing is fulfilling that hole.
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And that is where you arebondage.
Speaker 02 (17:00):
And I know for me, like for a long time when I was
in severe bondage, addiction andall of it, even when I come out
of addiction, I was still inbondage with a lot of things,
you know, especially the guiltand stuff.
And I remember when I got savedfor real, for real, This is the
last time I say that.
Four years ago, I remembergoing back to a meeting we were
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having.
We were at a place called Hope.
We were doing the Battle Pit ofthe Mind with Joyce Myers.
And I had been cleaning most ofthe year.
And I got back with my husband.
He was in addiction.
Did it my way.
Ended up relapsing.
Instead of waiting on God,standing separated and letting
God pick, you know, fix thesituation I thought I could fix
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it so I ended up relapsing wason a three month binge and
surrendered back to God and itwas so hard to walk back through
them doors I remember Icouldn't even raise my hands I
felt so much I was so bound byguilt and stuff because I'm like
what are they gonna and thesewere my friends that I
worshipped with and stuff andI'm like what are they they're
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probably thinking yeah how longis this gonna last this time you
know all the voices in me Oh,yeah.
And I remember sitting there.
Everybody was worshipingbecause they worship so freely.
And like I said, I couldn'teven raise my hands.
And the Lord spoke to me.
And he was like, who are youdoing this for?
Who are you worshiping to?
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And I was like, oh, this ain'teven about nobody else but you,
God.
And so I began to raise myhand.
And, you know, when you'rebound, you're confined.
You know what I mean?
You can't even worship a lot oftimes.
And so once I started doing it,when I raised my hand and
started worshiping, I could feelthose chains falling.
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You know what I mean?
Speaker 00 (18:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 02 (18:53):
It was so freeing.
Speaker 00 (18:55):
And I think one of the other hardest things is as
women or as daughters, I know,and I feel like I'm kind of
suffering with this right now asa bondage right now, is I
forgive.
But it's hard to forget.
And you're going to understandthis part.
So my daddy is recovering fromaddiction.
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And we've been trying to handlethat relationship, trying to
mend that relationship.
And I still, to this day, and Ijust did it the other day, he
hadn't texted me in over amonth.
He hadn't reached out in over amonth.
And I thought, hmm, I wonderwhat he's up to.
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And it's automatic, I think,the worst.
And I shouldn't.
I shouldn't.
I mean, he's been clean goingon like four years now.
He's doing NA meetings.
He's like...
leading them or whatever andhe's trying to find his way and
and it's a battle for himbecause he is covered in the
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guilt bondage right now right hehe's covered he knows god loves
him but he he doesn't lovehimself yet right but i catch
myself and and now that i thinkabout that sitting here talking
with you that that's just achain right because i say i
forgive him But then I let thatthought come to my head
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immediately.
And then two days later, hetexts me and said, hey, I was
just thinking about you.
And then I felt guilty becausea few days later, I thought
that.
And it's hard when it's aparent and child.
It has to be, right?
Speaker 02 (20:41):
You know, my dad once said, you can't stop a bird
from flying over your head.
But you can stop it frombuilding a nest.
Same thing with your thoughts.
You can't stop what you think.
But you don't have to...
We don't have to get bound.
We don't have to dwell on it.
We don't have to...
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Which is hard sometimes.
Because those thoughts aregoing to come.
And I know my girls felt likethat too.
They're like, when's mom goingto pull up the wagon?
I had to get out of that whereI wasn't parenting out of guilt.
And I still do that with Oren.
Um...
Probably another thing that youdon't even realize that you're
doing.
(21:21):
Right.
Is parenting out of guilt fromthe things that I didn't do
before.
So I try to make up for it.
And he ain't trying to...
He just wants me to be present.
You know what I mean?
And I think that a lot of timeswe try to make up for things
that we did in our past.
And if we could just learnto...
Forgive yourself.
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That's probably one of thehardest things is learning to
forgive myself and to walk intothat freedom.
Speaker 00 (21:59):
it doesn't matter, right?
The addiction, whether it bedrugs or something else, right?
Addiction is so many differentthings.
Everybody automatically assumesaddiction is drugs, but it's
not.
And bondage comes with eachpiece of that, right?
And the emotions and thefeelings of guilt and all of
that all come with the same.
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It's all one thing.
Addiction's addictionregardless of what you're
addicted to.
And sometimes you have to thinkabout How do we actually break
these chains?
How can we move or find thehealing in the chains?
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And it doesn't just break andsnap off, right?
Because if it did, that wouldbe easy, right?
And God gives us theopportunity to...
take one link at a time, right?
Because you have to heal in theprocess, right?
It's not just, I'm going topray and this chain's going to
be gone, you know?
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It's going to be one link at atime because in each link that
comes off of the chain, you findpeace or you find grace in each
link that falls apart.
And we can't do that alone,right?
We can't do that alone by anymeans.
We have to have sisters andbrothers and family and friends
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that are there to help us breakthat link.
And we have to have each other,and then we have to have God.
And He gives you the peoplethat you need in the time that
you need them.
Unknown (23:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 00 (23:39):
So what does breaking the chains or the
freedom in light, what does thatlook like?
You have to acknowledge thechains.
You have to invite God's truthinto them.
You have to talk about it withsomeone safe.
And you have to walk daily inthat freedom.
So walking daily in thatfreedom, I think, is something
that I still struggle with.
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It's not perfection.
It's surrender.
And every day has to be asurrender.
It can't be, okay, I'llsurrender today, and tomorrow
I'm going
Speaker 02 (24:10):
to
Speaker 00 (24:11):
be
Speaker 02 (24:11):
sad.
I think a lot of it, too, isacknowledging, like you said,
acknowledging that you have aproblem.
I think as women, we want tomask that.
I'm fine.
Like you were saying, I've gotit together.
Instead of saying, hey, look,I'm struggling today.
I'm struggling with thisunforgiveness or whatever you're
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struggling with that day.
Because when you reveal thosethings and you're transparent,
that's when the Lord can really,that's where your healing
really comes from, istransparency.
You can't heal what you don'tcomprise.
Speaker 00 (24:43):
Right.
And you can't heal if you don'ttell people what it is, right?
You can't.
You have to stop pretendingthat it's not there.
it has to have a name.
It has to be what it is.
And as women, we're the centerof the family.
We're the mother.
We're the caregivers.
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And just because we're womendoesn't mean that all the time
that we have to be perfect or wehave to be that caregiver.
Sometimes it's I need a minute.
Sometimes it's, I'm going toshut the door and you're just
going to let me be for a minute.
And that's okay.
And it has to be okay.
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And you have to understand thatit's okay.
That it's okay.
And then asking God to speakinto the place and to keep those
things off limits.
That goes back to the episodewe did last week where what you
speak into the world, right?
It's what you speak into yourpresence.
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It's what you speak into yourbubble.
It's what you speak intohowever you do it.
Your tongue is like thestrongest muscle of your body.
And you have to be able to, youknow, speak, surrender into
your life.
Speak life.
Speaker 02 (26:02):
Speak life.
Yeah, speak life.
Yeah.
You know, and if we don'tilluminate it and it stays
hidden, you know, I said wecouldn't ever heal.
But once it's out of the dark,the enemy loses power.
Speaker 00 (26:14):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 02 (26:15):
He's lost his power.
That's why he don't want you totell it.
Speaker 00 (26:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 02 (26:18):
He knows he's been found out.
Speaker 00 (26:19):
Yeah.
And you have to share, youknow, I have a friend and she's
like, she is in awe of the factthat I openly discuss my past.
I openly discuss my drugaddiction, my addiction to toxic
men.
I openly discuss, you know, thethings that led to where I'm at
today.
And I, to that because that'sthe only way that I have been
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able to find peace in my life.
And she's like, I just can't doit.
And I'm like, I'm not reallyworried.
Like if I go and stand in achurch and I tell my story and
it offends somebody, then I needto pray with them.
And that's how I truly feelabout it.
And that might be right orwrong.
I don't know.
But that's how I feel about itbecause my story is what grace
(27:04):
is about grace.
Speaker 02 (27:05):
My dad, he laughs at me.
He said, Some of that stuff yousay from the pulpit, I'm like,
I don't care, Dad.
You know what I mean?
He'd just be joking with mebecause I'm just raw and real.
Speaker 00 (27:15):
You know what I mean?
I don't care.
That's what I love about you.
You know, but right.
And right, you have to be.
Speaker 02 (27:22):
He has an older congregation, too, and I'm like,
I'm going to say it anyway.
Because that's where God'sbrought me from.
Speaker 00 (27:28):
Right.
I'm not ashamed anymore.
No, and you can't be.
That's how you find yourfreedom.
That's how you let the chainsgo.
And we have to, you know, youhave to be able to...
it says talk about it withsomeone, someone that you feel
safe with, maybe the first time.
But the second time, it needsto be with whoever is around.
I have people, I came backyesterday from work, and one of
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my coaches says, she goes,people's been looking for you.
I was like, who's been lookingfor you?
Kelly needs prayer.
And that's one of myassociates.
And it makes my heart bubble toknow that Right.
But they take grace in thatmoment, you know, and being the
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head boss or being the storemanager in that retail.
At first, I was a littleworried about my faith, about
how strong I was going to showmy faith.
But I can't hide it.
I just I can't.
Right.
And I tell them, you know, ifthis isn't your thing, then
that's fine.
You know, I can relate howeveryou come to me.
And I believe that I've earnedthat respect from the associates
(28:55):
in that building.
And it just makes it so muchmore easier when you don't have
to feel.
Because in the world today,sometimes you feel like you have
to hide that.
And that's a chain that allChristians wear.
Speaker 02 (29:07):
People are going to judge you.
That's what I'm open to.
I'm like, listen.
Tell it, I don't care.
You know what I mean?
You can talk to me aboutwhatever.
It probably ain't nothing thatyou're saying I ain't done.
You know what I mean?
Or God hasn't brought me from,so.
Well,
Speaker 00 (29:24):
Ephesians 5.13 says, Everything exposed by the light
becomes visible, and everythingthat is eliminated becomes a
light.
You bring in to the light notfor shame, but for healing.
That is so powerful, right?
Because once it's out of thedark, the enemy loses its power,
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and God turns your pain into atestimony, right?
And that's what me and Deborahboth hope that y'all find in
this.
podcast that we're doing isthat you find that light, you
find that power, you find thatGod and turn your pain into
testimony.
Turn the things that you'vebeen through into that
(30:05):
testimony.
We want you to share that withus in the comments.
We want you to be a part of ourpodcast.
And we are so grateful andhumble that you have listened to
us today in our podcast onBreaking Chains.
If you would lead us in aprayer, Ms.
Deborah.
Speaker 02 (30:24):
Yes.
Lord, we love you today, God.
And we thank you for breakingthe chains in our life, God.
And we pray that you would justexpose those areas of our life
that we may not even know about.
That we may be walking aroundand carrying that we're not even
sure what it is, God.
We just pray that you wouldilluminate those things.
Lord, and bring it to light,and that you would give us the
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boldness and confidence to bringit to you, Lord, that you would
heal those broken places, God,that nobody knows about, Lord,
so that we can walk in totalfreedom, Lord.
And we thank you for thatfreedom today, God.
In Jesus' name, amen.
Speaker 00 (31:01):
Amen.
Remember, your silence doesn'tdisqualify you.
God hears, he sees, and he'salready moving.
until next time related sisterskeep walking in truth and grace
we love y'all we love y'all bye
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