52: 12 Tips for Your First Day of Work

“If you want to go to the top, start by serving.”

In this episode of Up Your Average, Keith and Doug give 12 tips for your first day of work.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• What to do if you make a mistake on the job
• How to serve Christ at work
• Why the best leaders have a servant attitude

Connect with us at https://www.gimbalfinancial.com/.

Episode Transcript

Keith (00:00):
I think it's really critical that you pay attention

(00:03):
to who's around you when you goto that first job because you
don't owe them your life. Youdon't owe them your future. And
if you can't find a mentor, thethe question that I wrote beside
mentor was who cares? And if youlook around and you can't find
an answer
to that, you probably need toshorten your say.

Caleb (00:21):
Welcome to the Up Your Average podcast where Keith and
Doug give no nonsense advice tolevel up your life. So buckle up
and listen closely to up youraverage.

Keith (00:41):
Good morning.

Doug (00:42):
What's up?

Keith (00:43):
Beautiful day
in Carmel and it's Doug's day.

Doug (00:46):
Man. Yeah. Caleb greeted me this morning with some heavy
metal YouTube version of happybirthday with my name in it.
That just made my day.

Keith (00:55):
Made me smile as well.

Doug (00:58):
Those kids in the Internet.

Keith (01:02):
I don't even know, like, what to expect when we look to
the future with the Internet andall

Doug (01:07):
the Awesomeness. Yeah. That's what we're going to
expect, some awesomeness.

Keith (01:12):
Yeah. I mean, I remember the little sketchy little
cartoons people would runthrough the copier at work.
They'd sneak it through thecopier, and then they'd it to
you, the little funny things.Yeah. They were real, like,
grayed out.
And who knows how long it tookto get those, and they're

(01:33):
sneaking them around the office.

Doug (01:34):
Just as creative.

Keith (01:35):
Yeah. Everybody's gigging. But Just as creative.
Back to how fast the memes comeout now. Unbelievable.

Doug (01:41):
And you can make your own.

Keith (01:42):
I can't.

Doug (01:43):
Like, I was sending our pastor memes of Nolan Ryan
wearing a Yankees uniform lastnight.

Keith (01:49):
I created all by myself. Nice work, Doug. I'm proud of
your advanced technology. Yeah.

Doug (01:54):
Me and my friend, Chad.

Keith (01:56):
Chad GPT. I did see that some of the original workers at
ChatGPT cashed in some shares

Doug (02:07):
Oh man.

Keith (02:08):
For billions of dollars. I bet they're at the Ferrari
dealership this morning. Yeah,they may have only worked it
like a week. Twelve months.Yeah.
It's insane.

Doug (02:16):
That's so cool.

Keith (02:17):
On this chat GPT.

Doug (02:20):
I always thought I should have been a dentist, but, yeah,
maybe we should have forked atchat GPT. That's great.

Keith (02:26):
So we created, we being me, a fictitious character for
which we are going to throw someideas at you all, probably
indefinitely, maybe for theforeseeable future. My friend
met me when I was 16. He grabbedme by the collar, lifted me up

(02:48):
against the wall, scared the tarout of me. He lifted all 140
pounds of me up, so wasn't assignificant as today. But with
that process, we met many yearsago.
His Catholic name is WilliamPaul, and he retired this week.
And so our fictitious characteris named after William Paul, and

(03:09):
that's who Paul Williams is. SoPaul Williams, you can go back
we can go backwards and forwardswith Paul.

Doug (03:16):
Yeah. And last week, we covered what it would be like to
what was he? 60 at the time?

Keith (03:21):
His first day in retirement.

Doug (03:22):
Yes. At age 60. So he retired young. Yes. And we had
some counsel advice and thoughtsfor him.

Keith (03:29):
And today, we're going to turn the dial back for young
Paul Williams. We're going toput him back to his first day of
work. So that might look like hewas maybe not going to college.
A lot of young people todayOkay. Aren't going to

Doug (03:45):
I was gonna ask you the details. So we're gonna talk
about his first day of work. Andwe're saying he didn't go to
school.

Keith (03:52):
We're not. We're saying it's just whatever he chose. He
could have chose the traditionalcollege route or not, but he's
starting his first day. And somy homework assignment for Doug
on this important day was to

Doug (04:07):
Which I got about six hours ago. No, maybe twelve.

Keith (04:14):
I'm thinking 24. So it was three pieces of advice for
this young person, and it couldhis fictitious wife was Bridget,
right?

Doug (04:25):
Yeah, Bridget.

Keith (04:25):
So it could be for either one. We're not sexist in this
advice.

Doug (04:28):
That's right.

Keith (04:29):
I'm just picking Paul Williams because that's who was
retiring. And so before we jumpinto your advice, I got his
actual advice.

Doug (04:38):
Oh, bring it.

Keith (04:39):
Yes. So, I sat in the retirement party this week and I
really loved that. My experiencethrough my career is that
doesn't happen much anymore.

Doug (04:50):
Yeah.

Keith (04:51):
My dad retired in, I think, 1989 with a bunch of
years experience at Whirlpool,and that was the leading edge of
not having a personal retirementparty. They had 10 people in a
party at once. Yeah, so there'slike four hundred years of
experience walking out the dooron that day. And before that, I

(05:12):
think they had an individualretirement party where they
honored the person for theirtime. And then as more and more
corporate growth and corporatestructure kicked in, I think
they just gave you a watch and agift card and maybe took you to
lunch or something.
But this was a literal party andit was really fun seeing the
celebration of who he is and whohe was for that organization.

So, his three pieces of advice: one was to listen. That threw me (05:34):
undefined
back to our friend Ken Moore,who said, You will make more
money by listening than talking.That's good. And listening, what
would you tell people aboutlistening?

Doug (05:53):
It's really difficult, especially when you're young, at
least it was for me, because Iwanted to prove myself and tell
everyone how much I knew.

Keith (06:04):
And and there's a proverb that says, even the fool

Doug (06:08):
is considered wise when he keeps

Keith (06:10):
his mouth shut. Right?

Doug (06:11):
Yeah. And I and I knew that, but I still kept going.

Keith (06:15):
Well and and you not only listen with your ears, but you
can listen with your eyes.People's body language will tell
you things you might nototherwise know. And if you're a
young employee, it is reallyworthwhile paying attention to
what your eyes and your ears aretelling you.

Doug (06:31):
Yeah. Yeah.

Keith (06:32):
So that was piece of information number one that Paul
Williams offered about his earlycareer that he'd do over. Number
two was to make a decision.Okay.

Doug (06:46):
It's a good

Keith (06:46):
one.

Doug (06:47):
Yeah.

Keith (06:48):
Man, that one was packaged to me as a young
employee by a guy named MikeHames at Texas Instruments. I'm
forever grateful for Mike'sinfluence in my life. And he sat
me down one day and he said,Keith, it is easier to get
forgiveness around here thanpermission. And he was basically

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telling me, make a decision. Andwhen I thought of what he told
me, I was like, oh, most peopleare not going to make a
decision.
And I'm willing to take the riskand and the heat for making a
bad decision. And so thatprobably was one of the things
that elevated my career that Iwas willing to say, I'll do
that. I'll try that.

Doug (07:28):
You go through 12 grades, and the teacher has always told
you what to do and when to do itand how to do it. But to go into
business or whatever professionyou're in, you just quickly
learn that there's no adults inthe room anymore. And so you
have to speak up, you have tomake a decision.

Keith (07:48):
So that was pretty wise too. And then his third the
essence of what he told me, thethird one, is that mistakes are
teachers.

Doug (07:58):
Yeah. Yeah. And Are you the one who taught me about
paying tuition to Wall Street?

Keith (08:06):
Yes.

Doug (08:07):
Yeah. Yeah. That that that's what I hear when you said
that.

Keith (08:11):
Not only paying tuition to Wall Street means if you make
a mistake in the market or aperceived mistake in the market,
learn what happened and how youcould not repeat that more times
than you need to.

Doug (08:22):
Yeah. I've made some that were at first perceived but
reality.

Keith (08:27):
They were real

Doug (08:28):
mistakes. Man. Tough lessons.

Keith (08:31):
I I am humbled by what the market has taught me over
the years. It's taught me notonly with real money, but in
relative to the lives of peoplethat we help.

Doug (08:42):
And

Keith (08:43):
so there's things I'm pretty adamant about when I help
people because I just know thatif you go wrong on this
particular decision, it can bevery devastating to the long
term effects. So, yeah, mistakesare great teachers. So then
there is another person I soughtout their advice. Back in 1997,

(09:05):
when we started GimbalFinancial, there was an
aggressive business man thatcounseled me on how to move
forward. And he's one of themore aggressive people that I've
met over the years and been onOkay.
The he was supposedly, he wrotethe playbook for the divestiture

(09:26):
of AT and T.

Doug (09:27):
Nice. Okay. Okay. I think I know who we're talking about.

Keith (09:30):
Yeah. He was he he he's retired now. He was aggressive,
but I asked him the samequestion.

Doug (09:35):
I'm curious what he says because he told me something
once that was really goodadvice. And so this is not the
advice that he would have donethen.

Keith (09:45):
This is the retired version of him thinking back. I
don't think he has regrets, buthow he would have done it
differently. Yeah. So number onewas ruthlessly pursue Christ.
Wow.

Doug (09:56):
I wasn't expecting that one from him. No. That's okay.
That's interesting.

Keith (10:01):
And that doesn't I don't think he was even saying you
have to throw that into

Doug (10:05):
Like ruthlessly.

Keith (10:06):
Yeah. You don't have to throw that into your like,
peers' opinion of you. But asyou spend your time ruthlessly
doing it, it's gonna affect howyou do your job is what I think
he said. I'm pretty

Doug (10:17):
sure that was one of, like, Jim Merce's three top
three.

Keith (10:20):
Was it?

Doug (10:21):
Yeah. Like, what was pursue God or trust God or
something like that.

Keith (10:25):
I was I was really encouraged by that. Then he said
push away self ambition.

Doug (10:31):
Dang. He must have had his coffee. These these are good.

Keith (10:35):
That's really hard if you're a young go getter, right?

Doug (10:38):
Like you want to not go the universe. Yeah. That's that
is wisdom.

Keith (10:43):
And then he said he would put time boundaries in. He would
only give the business so muchof his time.

Doug (10:49):
That's interesting.

Keith (10:50):
Because I assume that he learned that the hard way that
it cost his family because hedidn't. And he's in other words,
he's saying protect your family.

Doug (10:58):
Yeah. Yeah.

Keith (11:00):
So those were two people's thoughts. So now I
brought to you, Doug.

Doug (11:04):
Well, you know, grandpa grandpa George Shreve was a hero
in my life. And my family,through my great grandma owned a
beauty school. My cousin owns ittoday. But Grandpa George would
teach classes on on how to be ahairstylist. And like every

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business, being a hairstylist, alot of it is about trust, and
likability, and product, whatyou get out of it.
But so grandpa would teachpeople to become professionals.
So they would be leaving schoolafter learning from him, and
they'd hit their first day onthe job. And one of the things

(11:49):
that he would tell me is hesaid, Doug, I can teach anyone
to cut hair. I can teach anyoneto style hair, but I can't teach
attitude.

Keith (11:59):
Man. So

Doug (12:01):
that's the first thing that comes to mind.

Keith (12:03):
So before we go on from that, can somebody teach
themselves their attitude orlearn about their attitude then?

Doug (12:12):
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And you can learn from friends,
people you trust, books youread, videos you watch, podcasts
you listen to? Absolutely.

Keith (12:24):
I think of that a lot.

Doug (12:26):
Probably ruthlessly pursuing Christ.

Keith (12:29):
That would affect your attitude, I'm sure. Probably.
Yeah. Mean, it's model ofhumility and And adventure and
courage. Passion.

Doug (12:38):
Yeah. Yeah.

Keith (12:39):
And so your attitude man, I think it was Zig Zig Ziglar.
Remember him?

Doug (12:47):
Yeah.

Keith (12:48):
I think he said your attitude will define your
altitude or something like that.Yeah. That was a Zig Ziglar.

Doug (12:55):
My grandpa used to wear a sweatshirt on Saturdays. He'd
loosen up a little bit onSaturdays. Every other day
looked like what I picture RalphLauren to look like. I mean, you
know, a good looking guy insuits and stuff, cutting hair.
But he would wear a sweatshirtand it said carpe diem.
I always liked that seize theday.

Keith (13:13):
That's beautiful.

Doug (13:14):
That's good attitude.

Keith (13:15):
So so you can't teach attitude. So bring a good
attitude. So what would you say?Secondly,

Doug (13:21):
I believe this was Bob Warren, who straight up told me
this, but yet it's been modeledfor me many times in my life.
And it's it's just that, hey, ifyou want to go to the top, you
you start by serving. And sothat could be picking up trash

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in the parking lot. There isliterally no job beneath you.
And no matter what your lastname is, no matter what part of
the neighborhood you grew up in,or what what high school you
went to, servant leadership.
That's, that's, that's going totake you places.

Keith (14:04):
That, again, is probably not modeled a lot in today's
culture with social media.Social media seems to be that
idea of looking in a mirror,which we talked about a few
weeks ago is what about me?Yeah. And so coming out of the
gate serving, man, it seems likeyou would have had to have that

(14:24):
modeled for you before you evengot to that first day of work.

Doug (14:28):
Right. Yeah, you the same guy who gave you those three,
you know, great pieces ofadvice. He once told me, you
don't know what you don't know.And so unless you've seen that
servant hearted model modeledbefore you or you've read about
it, it would be impossible topick up.

Keith (14:46):
Boy, it is it's an honor to work with people with that
here at Gimbal. I can't sayenough for the people that we
have. Not only today, but a lotof we've been around a lot of
those people. So servantattitude is it's it sounds like

(15:06):
a cliche thing, but I don'tthink you can fake it. I think
it's either real or it's not.
And and so it goes back to thefirst attitude too. Like, you
have an attitude, but to be aservant with it is really a good
good thought. Yeah. What's next?

Doug (15:24):
The third is relationships are so important. And so on your
first day, go take somebody outto lunch and and get to know
somebody. Let them know youbecause, yeah, you know a bunch
of stuff and all that and you'regoing to learn a bunch more
stuff. You're going to become anexpert in your own field. But

(15:45):
the relationships are keybecause without those you really
don't have anything.

Keith (15:51):
Boy, I think of the idea of relationships and the
longevity of them. And I raninto a young man this morning,
and he was gonna have coffeewith me Wednesday, and he had to
reschedule it so he could havecoffee with somebody that's a
friend of his that he sees aboutevery six months. And what I

(16:13):
told him is I think Dalton is 28or 29. I told him that you're
about ready to hit the fast lanein your 30s. Yeah.
And those friendships can goaway pretty fast because of
neglect. And I just wouldencourage you to be intentional
at keeping those things pluggedin because it's really hard once
the kids start coming along andresponsibilities at work and

(16:36):
marriage and all those thingsthat the friendships can kind of
get tossed to the wind.

Doug (16:42):
Yeah, I think about that often with especially with my
college and a couple of my highschool friends is like, I think,
could I be friends with theseguys today? How would I even
meet these people? Right? Andit's just such a blessing to
have had those foundations ofwins and losses to have
celebrated when we were young,and then grow over time through

(17:05):
wins and losses together.

Keith (17:07):
I think even with this idea, what like, it's not
written in my notes anywherehere, but what I think if I were
looking to start my first day ofwork, I think I would be more
inclined to go somewhere where Ihave to go to an office rather
than work remotely because youhave an opportunity to go take
somebody to lunch.

Doug (17:26):
That didn't even, like, cross my realm, but you're
right. Yeah.

Keith (17:29):
I mean, there's there's I'm sure there's all kinds of
jobs out there.

Doug (17:33):
Right.

Keith (17:33):
And maybe if you're my age, you don't mind doing remote
because I've got my network. Butif you're Caleb's age, you
really need to build a network.Mhmm. It's hard to do over a a
Zoom screen, I think.

Doug (17:45):
Yeah. Right. I mean, you're

Keith (17:46):
not there to have the jokes, the laughs. You don't get
all that that builds therelationships when you're doing
a Zoom.

Doug (17:52):
Did you come up with some?

Keith (17:54):
I have more than I cheated and went with more than
three, and I thought I'd throwthe first my three that came to
mind. I probably had 20 when Ithink about it. Yeah. But I said
first communicate well, whichmost people don't when they
start. Because part of that'slistening that we talked about

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earlier, so you don't listenwell.
And then part of that isspeaking well. And speaking well
means to guard your words so youdon't say too much. Right. Or
say things out of emotions orsay things that are hurtful. So,
that's hard to learn withouthaving somebody that you're

(18:38):
sitting and talking to andrealizing I might have to say,
I'm sorry, Doug, I didn't meanto say that or whatever.
It's listening, speaking, butalso writing. And people have
told me, You really write well,Keith. And I said, Well, if you
looked at the index of all thearticles I've written over all

(18:59):
the years, and then you wentback to the beginning, I
probably didn't write well.

Doug (19:03):
Maybe you wrote good.

Keith (19:08):
And a shout out to Ken Moore. I'm sure he doesn't watch
this, but we had lunch with himlast week, and he told Caleb and
me that whatever I started doingin June, it's the best writing
he's read. That's really cool.Yes. I was shocked.

Doug (19:28):
That's a trophy. Well, was shocked that he even took

Keith (19:31):
the time to read the answer.

Doug (19:32):
He's the guy who went to Harvard.

Keith (19:34):
Correct. Correct. So practice is how your
communication skills so we arekicking that off for young Caleb
Monday at 03:30. Oh, we are? Weare.
He is going to the Crew Car Washheadquarters. Oh, 03:30 Monday
until 7PM. Oh, nice. For theworld famous Dale Carnegie

(19:58):
course.

Doug (19:58):
Oh, that starts this I thought that was November.
That's great.

Keith (20:03):
Yeah. Libby, did you start at 03:30 in the afternoon?

Doug (20:06):
Yeah.

Keith (20:06):
I did not know that. That's some commitment. 03:30 to
seven.

Doug (20:11):
Libby's all in. She's gonna name her next dog Dale.

Keith (20:18):
I like that.

Doug (20:18):
That's what she said.

Keith (20:20):
I like it.

Doug (20:22):
Yeah, communicating well. Skid, writing, speaking, all
that.

Keith (20:28):
The culture is taking you away from that. If you're young
and you're starting it, you'vebeen taught to not talk on this
but to type on there.

Doug (20:39):
Right. Yeah.

Keith (20:40):
And I think you're gonna do yourself a great disservice
if you don't learn to talk onit. It's intimidating if you
haven't done it, but I thinkit's gonna add value to your
future if you can learn to talkon the phone. And that's part of
communicating. And if you'retexting, that's probably fine
for culture. But even taking thetime to write a personal note, I

(21:03):
just can't imagine how farthat's going to put you in front
of other people to send a thankyou note.

Doug (21:09):
Yeah.

Keith (21:10):
And and it will get people's attention. Secondly, I
would find a mentor.

Doug (21:17):
Big time. That's good.

Keith (21:19):
Within within that organization.

Doug (21:20):
Yes. That's that's good.

Keith (21:22):
And what that when I was thinking about that, what
that'll tell you if there'snobody there to mentor you?

Doug (21:30):
Time to move on.

Keith (21:31):
Maybe. Time to move on. Down the road. And and I would
when I got into the businessworld, I thought two years was
the minimum that you had to staysomewhere, and that might have
been on the short end. I thinkpeople expected you to stay five
years.
And today, I think you don'thave to give them even that

(21:53):
long. I think the span of whatyou do and I'm not talking about
disloyalty, I'm just sayingabout discernment. I was talking
with this young Dalton today andtelling him what we were going
to talk about. He goes, I'd becurious how many career like,
how many jobs a person had atyour age, Keith? Like, many

(22:14):
employers?
I don't know. What do think?Four? I would think four.

Doug (22:18):
Yeah.

Keith (22:19):
Yeah. But I think, like, the average person Caleb's age
40? Oh, I don't know. So maybeeight. Like eight would you
think it'd be 40?
I don't know.

Doug (22:29):
I'm just saying it's going to be more.

Keith (22:31):
Yes. Yes. And I don't think it's necessarily the
Caleb's of the world's fault.Think I that corporate America

Doug (22:37):
It's just is different. Yeah.

Keith (22:41):
AT and T was Indiana Bell when we started helping people,
and it was like a family tothem. But then corporate America
changed their objectives andbecame focused on the growth of
profits. And being profitable isa really valuable goal. The
growth of profits, I think,devalues human life. And if

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you're going to focus on thegrowth of profits rather than
just being profitable, I I don'tthink you deserve to have the
people around as long.

Doug (23:09):
And it could be, especially with the rise of blue
collar creativity andentrepreneurship, maybe it's
less than four. Somebody comingout of school could start their
own business as an apprenticewelder or electrician and then
maybe they move on quickly totheir own company. I I don't

(23:31):
know. It'll be exciting to watchthat.

Keith (23:33):
I I think I think it's really critical that you pay
attention to who's around youwhen you go to that first job.
Because you don't owe them yourlife. You don't owe them your
future. And if you can't find amentor, the question that I
wrote beside mentor was whocares? And if you look around
and you can't find an answer

Doug (23:52):
to that, you probably need to shorten

Keith (23:54):
your say. Even they may be paying you great, but you're
gonna make a mistake if there'snobody there that you can say
who cares and answer that.You're gonna make money, but
you're gonna become disenchantedand not look to the future with
a lot of hope.

Doug (24:07):
Yeah, that's good.

Keith (24:08):
That second third goes to the back of my business card,
but third is like what you do.And it's kind of what you said,
Doug, that I used to say do whatyou like, and then Mike Rowe
convinced me that's foolishnessbecause I can't play pro

(24:29):
basketball.

Doug (24:29):
Right.

Keith (24:30):
So, but I can like what I do. I remind myself that every
week when I push the trash cansout.

Doug (24:38):
That's good.

Keith (24:39):
Because I honestly believe I could be the best
trash man in Fisher's because Icould have a good attitude
towards it, right?

Doug (24:45):
That's

Keith (24:45):
cool. Like, I frame when I look at my trash man or woman,
I don't think I've ever had afemale, but I'm just saying I
give it trash people that that Ijust respect what they do.

Doug (24:59):
You line up those cans so that they can be picked up.

Keith (25:02):
I just can't. I've been in New York City when the when
the trash is stacked up and thesmell and the flies and how and
I've seen, like, the strikes.And I'm just grateful for the
trash people that take care ofour house. Just I appreciate
what they do. And so then I canappreciate what I do, and I
could learn to appreciate Ithink any role in life.

(25:25):
And I think everybody can frametheir own life that way, but you
have to choose to like what youdo.

Doug (25:32):
It's true. And if

Keith (25:33):
you don't it's what your grandpa told you, you can't
can't give you the attitude.Have to choose your That was
that was the conclusion of mythree. But I wanted to go over
the back of our business cardwith you one more time, because
I think

Doug (25:48):
This business card, by the way, these are these are Keith's
thoughts. These aren't Dougthoughts. These are Keith's
thoughts. And, and the Shreefam, each one of them has these
five principles somewhere attheir house. Even my son in
college has it framed on hisdesk.

Keith (26:05):
Wow. That's humbling. And these are the principles that I
would offer as a financialadvisor to a young person, even
somebody retiring. The first onewas think differently. And I
think if you can look at asituation and think differently
as you go into that employer,you're going to add significant

(26:28):
value because, particularly ifyou go to a government or a
large organization, there's somuch groupthink that those
things lead to deterioration inattitude and growth and
possibilities.
So, trusting that you can bringvalue by thinking differently is
huge. Buying wisdom is thesecond one on there, and that's

(26:49):
looking for a mentor, findingpeople that can help you. I said
like what

Doug (26:54):
you do. Buying a book to read.

Keith (26:56):
Getting a good book. Absolutely. I'd say live
adventurously. Didn't hype onthat so much when I was given my
pieces of advice. I think partof that adventure might be just
diving into your job initiallytill you get your feet on the
ground instead of looking forall the vacation time.
Realize that that time willcome. And I can do it on

(27:18):
weekends or whatever, but bewilling to sacrifice some of
your free time early so that youcan have the control later on.
And then live generously. It iseasy to think that when I
arrive, I'll be generous.

Doug (27:32):
Yeah. Yeah.

Keith (27:34):
And today's a good day to live generously as you look to
the future. But those are thoseare What was the last one? That
was it.

Doug (27:42):
Yeah, that was it? Yeah. Oh, generosity wins.

Keith (27:45):
Okay. When I think about that excitement of that first
day at the office, it is full ofpossibilities. There's full of
ideas and things that you cando. And there's all kinds of
advice I think that we couldbring to you as young people. If
you're the young Paul Williamsjumping into that first day,

(28:07):
reach out to us, send us anemail.
And if you happen to be one ofthose retired people that can
reflect back on that day withsome wisdom to send to us, email
Doug, email me, and we can helpthe young folks that were
cheering on with the wisdom thatyou have because there's plenty
of things they can do that canjust turn the dial a little bit

(28:29):
and add value to their wholecareer. What else, Doug?
Anything else for Mr. Williams?

Doug (28:36):
I would tell Mr. Williams that he might have his first day
a couple more times. And so ifyou're 50 and you're having your
first day today, all of thesethings still apply.

Keith (28:47):
Absolutely. And if it's your first day of retirement,
maybe some of these things stillapply to that. Well, thanks for
hanging out on this special day.We wanna throw special
celebration to number 50 forDouglas. So, Doug, have a great
day, my friend.

Doug (29:02):
Thank you.