61: Start Better Conversations This Thanksgiving

In this special holiday episode, Keith and Doug share over 20 meaningful Thanksgiving conversation starters designed to help your family connect on a deeper level. Whether your gatherings lean peaceful, chaotic, sentimental, or hilarious, this episode gives you tools to do something different and bring more harmony, curiosity, and gratitude to the table.

Drawing from stories that range from childhood traditions to New York City parades to unexpected life lessons, Keith and Doug unpack how simple, intentional questions can shift the tone of your entire holiday. Instead of drifting into politics or tension, you’ll learn how to redirect conversations with kindness, spark meaningful dialogue, and create shared memories that actually last.

For example, here are some questions you can ask:

• Tell me about the Thanksgiving table when you were 12 and last year.
• How far back would the oldest person at the table have known someone?
• What are 2 holiday traditions you enjoyed then and now?
• When should Christmas decorating begin?
• Turkey or ham for Thanksgiving? Why?
• What is one thing your mom taught you? Your dad?
• Have you ever worked 60 hours in a week? Why?
• What’s your hardest job ever?
• What’s the weirdest job a relative has ever done?
• Have you ever eaten at a nice restaurant alone?
• What’s your oldest family tradition?
• What’s a place tied to your childhood that no longer exists?
• What’s a moment from your past that most wouldn’t know?
• Has your family kept a secret/mystery alive?
• If your life was a chapter in a history book, what would you title it?
• Name a forgotten childhood trend you were involved in?
• What’s an outdated rule your parents insisted on?
• Who in the past do you wish you had asked more questions?
• When did you feel you first became ‘you’?
• What story explains more about you than people realize?
• What’s a smell or sound that instantly takes you somewhere else?
• What object from your past will you keep?

This episode is perfect for families looking to cultivate connection—especially those balancing busy lives, financial responsibilities, and multigenerational dynamics. If you want your Thanksgiving to feel more grateful, more human, and more enjoyable, you’re in the right place.

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Episode Transcript

Keith (00:00):
I think intimacy is a gift of life. And the more

(00:04):
intimacy you have with people, Ijust think life that that's
invaluable even compared to thewealth we help you with.

Caleb (00:10):
Welcome to the Up Your Average podcast, where Keith and
Doug give no nonsense advice tolevel up your life. So buckle up
and listen closely to Up YourAverage.

Keith (00:30):
Doug, here we are. It's Thanksgiving time.

Doug (00:33):
I'm thankful for this basement. Was this your idea?

Keith (00:36):
This idea was a combination of people, I think.
I think I had the idea we neededsome more space. I don't
remember if I was talking toJohn or Micah, but whoever I was
talking to, they said we coulddo something nice down here. And
it turned out really nice, gaveus some more office space, gave
us some space to do podcasts indifferent format. And it's quiet

(00:59):
down here, so you can even takea nap over here if you need to.

Doug (01:02):
Yeah, I think it's the getaway space at Gimbal. We work
in an open concept facility, andsometimes for the introverts in
our office, it's nice to be ableto get away and recharge the
batteries without me makingrequests all the time.

Keith (01:19):
That's beautiful. Well, I thought that we'd just do a
special holiday edition of UpYour Average, and I realize a
lot of times that this mememight be a part of it. But when
you get around the table withfamily and friends, sometimes
things don't go the way youwant. So I thought it'd be
important to remind you to don'tforget to bring up politics at

(01:39):
Thanksgiving so you can savemoney for Christmas this year.
And so so

Doug (01:45):
oh my goodness. That would be terrible, wouldn't it?

Keith (01:47):
Oh, yeah. And this is what I found. Let me see if I
Yeah.

Doug (01:50):
I didn't grow up with that. And, I'm thankful for
those who went before me thatset the, example. Yeah. Did you
say bring up politics?

Keith (02:02):
Yeah, I did. Now my

Doug (02:04):
grandma, this was I've probably shared this before.
This is my great grandma. DuringChristmas, she sat me and my two
cousins down, and she gave usthe talk. Great grandma gave us
the talk.

Keith (02:21):
And what was the talk? The talk.

Doug (02:27):
Like birds and the bees. And this was Christmas? This was
Christmas Eve, my great grandma,my sweet great grandma. And it's
one of my family's favoritememories. My dad loves to bring
this up, and I love to hearabout it because my dad
interrupted her when she was inlike I mean, she was describing
things.
And my dad comes in and he saysto his grandma, he says,

(02:49):
Grandma, I think we need to cutSocial Security. And then she
just went on a tyrant aboutthat. So thanks to my dad for
stepping in and helping mycousins and I out.

Keith (03:02):
Well, and that's really when we're talking about
conflict management and changingthe topic at holidays. If
somebody is going with thepolitics, you can switch it to a
good question. And maybe that'swhat we can bring out today are
some good questions that maybeyou might think of. And, you
know, as I was prepping forthis, I thought of Dion Warwick.
How how's that name?

(03:22):
You know that one, blast fromthe past?

Doug (03:25):
No. Warwick, tell tell me.

Keith (03:28):
She she was a musician in the sixties and seventies, and
she had a song, What the worldneeds now is Love, Sweet Love.
Okay.

Doug (03:34):
That's not what I was thinking.

Keith (03:35):
Yeah. Kind of a like the seventies kinda hippies thing
anyway. And then the other thingthat came to mind to me was the
nineteen seventies. You guys cango you can show this family on
the YouTube that during theholidays, it was a Coca Cola
commercial is I'd like to buythe world a Coke. Yeah.
And it helped them sing inperfect harmony. And I think

(03:57):
that's the essence of what I waswanting to talk about today. How
do we bring harmony to aconversation? How do we bring
something to make whatever isgoing on when you're gathering
together a special memorabletime. And I I was gonna show a
picture of a Christmas tree, andI can't control this thing in
Caleb Bluff.
So if he happens down herebefore we finish, we'll show
that picture. But it was apicture of what a Christmas tree

(04:19):
looked like in simpler times.And so let's just have a
conversation here and thinkabout 1980 Dung Shreve Christmas
or not Christmas, ThanksgivingDay. What did 1980 Thanksgiving
Day look like for you?

Doug (04:33):
Yeah. I appreciate you asking that because it brought
back some good memories. Wewould go over to my mom's, mom
and dad's, and, it's not thehouse that we always hung out
with. It seemed like on theregular, like a regular weekly
occurrence, we were going to mydad's parents. We were hanging
out with them all the time.

(04:54):
And so to go over to my mom'sparents, that was a little more
out of the ordinary. Was thatmore formal? It was more formal.
And what's so cool about that isjust thinking about all the
lives that were there, and themajority are still alive today.

Keith (05:13):
All right, let's bring forward to 2024. What did
Thanksgiving twenty twenty fourfor you look like?

Doug (05:18):
It's the best because we have full control over it.

Keith (05:22):
So if I have control, it's all good. Have the
perception of control. What's my

Doug (05:27):
friend Michelle say? Control is an illusion. I think
that's what she says, I lovethat. But yeah, we have it at
our house and I just love itbecause my wife, she loves to
plan, prepare, and host. And sothe more, the merrier.
And I love to smoke a turkey.

Keith (05:47):
I love it. I love it. How about you? So 1970 would be my
1980. So 1970, we would get upand we would go to my
grandmother and grandfatherHuynh's probably 1,200 square
foot house.
There's five of us. My cousin'sfamily had four of them. So it's
at nine, eleven people. Theadults would sit at the dining

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room table. The kids would sitat a card table We or card

Doug (06:12):
still break those out.

Keith (06:13):
Yeah. And grandma can, she couldn't cook a turkey to
save your life, man. I didn'tknow turkey wasn't just dry and
chokey, you know? And so that'swhat it looked like. But we
would rush through the mill.
We'd all load up in cars anddrive to Robert Stadium in
Evansville every single year andspend the next three hours
watching a circus everyThanksgiving Day.

Doug (06:34):
Okay. Cool. Thanksgiving Day Circus.

Keith (06:36):
Yep. Every day every year. That was that was 1970 for
me. Then 2024 Like elephants andeverything? Clowns, elephants.
Do you like the circus? I mean,I've been to literally 20
circuses, and I don't know howmany you need to go to in a
lifetime. 20 is probably a goodnumber for me.

Doug (06:57):
The things you can learn about a guy. I mean, we've been
working together how long? Ididn't know you've been to so
many circuses.

Keith (07:02):
Yeah. I've been to a lot of them. I don't I like I I
don't mind going to one, but Idon't I'm good. I'm good for I
was just kinda like New YorkCity when I was there a few
weeks ago. I'm like, I'mprobably good.
The rest of my life, I probablygot enough of that in me.

Doug (07:11):
New York City, Evansville Circus. I see the pair no.

Keith (07:15):
So so 2024, we just I probably smoked a turkey. Yeah.
A good smoked turkey. I love it.Yeah.
So we we I I wrote in lastmonth's Anchor about a dining
room table, and to me, lifedoesn't get any more rich than
the conversations that happenthere. And sometimes ours are
full contact, but I think themain rule around the table for
us is keep it kind. Like, if youcan keep it kind, we can have

(07:38):
some really fun conversations.

Doug (07:39):
Yeah. What about I can tell you this in 1980. From my
view, I don't know what it waslike from any adult's view, I
would have been five, and Iwould just say from five to
whatever teenage years, Iremember it being peaceful.
Yeah. And I'm really thankfulfor that.
We do try and create a peacefulenvironment at our house. We've

(08:01):
always got sports on, there'salways some great football games
on, but I think keeping itpeaceful is the name of the
game.

Keith (08:09):
And you can do that by choosing what questions to ask.
Like you can, if you causestress, you can ask a different
question to redirect it, right?Yeah. So here's an idea that I
had that I just realized in thelast few weeks that when I would
go to grandmother andgrandfather Yuen's house I think

(08:29):
I called him grandma. I don'tknow.
I don't remember which whetherit's formal like that or not.
When I would go to their house,sitting at the table there was
somebody who was alive, who knewsomebody who had been in the
civil war.

Doug (08:44):
Dang. Okay. Right? Wow.

Keith (08:47):
That was my Thanksgiving table in 1970. My grandparents
had to know people that werealive or involved in the civil
war. And so I don't know whatthat would be today. It would
probably be somebody it would besomebody who that knew somebody
that fought in the World War II,and you probably will have

(09:08):
somebody at the table or knowsomebody at the table that
fought in Vietnam. They don'ttend to like to talk about it.
But if they do, I think it'sworth your while to ask them,
What did you learn from that?How did that impact you? What
would you tell me about gettingalong with people from that? So
let's talk about holidaytraditions. It could be any

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holiday.

Doug (09:28):
You don't like holiday traditions. I do. I do.

Keith (09:31):
I just don't lean into them.

Doug (09:33):
Same one that you like.

Keith (09:35):
I like Christmas tree light watching. Okay. Yeah, you
do. Yeah.

Doug (09:39):
And you get popcorn. Yeah. Yeah. We go to the we

Keith (09:42):
go buy the movie theater popcorn.

Doug (09:44):
Yeah. Keith always shakes up traditions. That's why I put

Keith (09:47):
him on the spot. Yeah. I I think if you if they become
like a god to you, which I'vebeen involved in that, it can
get really stressful for people.But if you can just if you hang
on to Christmas or any traditionloosely, yeah, if you can hang
on to it loosely, I think it's ablast.

Doug (10:01):
Yeah. Well, you've caused me to think about the
traditions.

Keith (10:04):
Well, we did at the Tyner House, and please don't call
child protective services. Wehad a thing called Wedgie Time
for the for my kids. And theywould go throw on eight pairs of
underwear, and we would startsinging VeggieTales. You can

Doug (10:19):
take the boy out of Evansville, but you can't take
the Evansville out of the boy.

Keith (10:24):
Oh, yeah. The kids, they would run. I would sit on the
surf on the sofa and they wouldrun circles and we, I'd sit,
we'd sing wedgie time wedgietime wedgie time. And they try
to get by me and I try to just,then eventually this is, you
guys are gonna appreciate that.If the underwear got torn off,
because he didn't wear aboutfour pairs of underwear.
If it got torn off, it got hungon the aluminum foil tree. So

(10:47):
that was a I don't know if youwanna adopt this one in your
guys' tradition, but it was atiner to those.

Doug (10:51):
Well, maybe having some bizarre traditions is good. I
mean, if that's gonna come uparound the Thanksgiving or the
Christmas table, like in tenyears, that's gonna age.

Keith (11:01):
I mean, that was one of the questions I was gonna ask
her. Plenty of family thingsthat have happened, and that
just evolved. It wasn'tsomething because your kids
didn't say veg, they didn'tprobably watch VeggieTales.

Doug (11:11):
Watched the Little VeggieTales, but nah. Yeah.

Keith (11:15):
Any traditions that come to mind for Thanksgiving?

Doug (11:18):
No, not really, but I can tell you the best Thanksgiving
ever. The best Thanksgiving everwas we went to New York City to
watch the Thanksgiving dayparade. And I hear people say
stuff like, oh, I would love todo that. Or I love to watch the
parade on TV. And it's kind oflike your RV trips when you took

(11:39):
off and you did some big stuff.
People think, Oh, that would benice. I would like to. And I
would encourage you, if you havea Thanksgiving Day parade dream,
you just gotta go do it. Yougotta make it happen. And so
maybe it's next year you make ithappen.
But that will forever be ahighlight for us. Watching our

(12:02):
son march, that was the excuseto go there. And then my friend
Diane, who owns a coffee shop,she says, she challenged me. She
said, Hey, Doug, are you guysgonna go watch your son march in
the Macy's Day Parade? I waslike, I don't know, Diane,
that's pretty expensive.
I don't know. And she goes,Well, you've got to do it. And

(12:22):
so I wanna encourage you. Ifyou've got something like that
on your radar, you've got to doit.

Keith (12:26):
And and those of you that are even more ambitious than
Doug, I bet you can get a hotelroom in Evansville, get you some
hottie shrine circus ticketsthis Thanksgiving day. Is it
still going on? It does. Ithink. I I've it's been decades.
So alright. We gotta we're gonnatake a lot of you guys' time,
but I thought we'd just throwout some good conversation

(12:47):
topics and do them lightninground to help our friends that
they're trying to find someinteresting things. So So start
date, when can the Christmastree go up?

Doug (12:54):
Oh yeah, this one, it should not be up now. I mean, if
your Christmas tree is up now,you need to call your counselor
because it needs to go up. Imean, you gotta wait until at
least the day afterThanksgiving.

Keith (13:10):
Tommy Tyner, hope you're watching. How about this,
turkey, ham? What's ThanksgivingDay protein? Well, I mean, what
do you think? Hey, I'm flexible,man.
You really? Yeah, we're good.

Doug (13:25):
I am not flexible.

Keith (13:26):
Yeah, I am. We are going don't fire me over this. Don't
think that I'm making too muchmoney. We're going filet mignon
this year.

Doug (13:34):
I've heard of people doing that. I've heard of people like
beef tenderloin stuff

Keith (13:38):
Yeah. Like No,

Doug (13:40):
you can't do that. I mean, gotta go turkey, and then you
gotta go ham on Christmas.

Keith (13:46):
So you're saying I'm praying to little plastic baby
Jesus. Is that what you'resaying?

Doug (13:49):
Look, if you need to order Chinese later or pizza later,
that's fine. But, yeah, yougotta go turkey on Thanksgiving.

Keith (13:58):
All right. Next thing. Were the

Doug (14:00):
pilgrims eating were they eating beef tenderloin?

Keith (14:03):
I don't know. Where did that go?

Doug (14:04):
They didn't have those hats on and stuff.

Keith (14:06):
I don't know.

Doug (14:06):
Did were eating turkey?

Keith (14:07):
Did you guys ever make the turkey with your hand? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Y'all do that withyour kids, your grandkids this
Thanksgiving.
Here we go. One lesson your momtaught you.

Doug (14:17):
Like for the holidays?

Keith (14:18):
No. Listen, we're going just conversation here or
anything.

Doug (14:21):
Oh, the biggest lesson my mom taught me is you can break
through. So your family mighthave a certain way of doing
things you can change

Keith (14:31):
it up. My mom taught me to have a positive mental
attitude. She was intentional inteaching me that. And one thing
your dad taught you.

Doug (14:38):
My dad taught me to be frugal.

Keith (14:40):
My dad taught me how to put a worm on a hook. He taught
me a lot of things. They bothtaught me things, but all right,
let's do this. Have you everworked a sixty hour week? Yes.
All right.

Doug (14:51):
Plenty of them.

Keith (14:52):
All right. Any of them popped to mind for you?

Doug (14:55):
Yeah. I mean, I was talking with Caroline about this
last week. When we made our movefrom LPL to Fidelity, I worked
two weeks back to back overeighty hours, and it almost
killed me.

Keith (15:07):
I worked sixty hour weeks the whole first year of my
marriage, and it literallyalmost killed me. I went into
depression at the end of it, butthat was 50 of them in a row,
and it was just not healthy.Yeah. How about this? What's the
wildest job or mostunpredictable job you've had?

Doug (15:25):
Oh, man. I worked at Overhead Door, a factory in
Hartford City, and factorylife's a different animal.

Keith (15:34):
I did moving and storage and was hired by the city of
Evansville to move projects,move the people in the project
stuff from point A to point B.That was a lot. It taught me a
lot of a pain for the When haveyou eaten at a restaurant alone,
and what was that like?

Doug (15:52):
Goodness. Besides like a fast food? Yeah, like you had to
sit down. Boy, I don't know,Keith. I'm sure I've done it.
I don't remember. Think Do thatyou have an experience?

Keith (16:04):
I think that ties into another question I've got is
when did you first become thereally you, the current

Doug (16:10):
I mean, I went and saw the Foo Fighters alone. That's
pretty desperate.

Keith (16:13):
Yeah. No. I I did it in Washington, D. C. At a high
power restaurant, like a fivestar restaurant.
It was probably in the Before acell phone. Yeah. Yeah. I I I
was sitting at a table justtrying to make like like, there
I'm sure there were politiciansall around me. You have a book?
Nope. I just sat there. Yeah. Ican my kids know I can be stone

(16:36):
faced awkward, and it didn'tbother me a bit. I'm like I'm
like, I'm gonna enjoy that.
You know, that's one where theydrop the bread and a little
something. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah.I would encourage you to do
that.
Like like to to go out and doawkward things is really one of
the most healthy things you cando because it lets you be more
of you. All right. A place tiedto your childhood that no longer

(16:58):
exists.

Doug (16:59):
There was this place called One Accord. My wife and I
love this place. Mexicanrestaurant. You raise a little
flag, they bring you sopapillas.

Keith (17:07):
The hill was the place for me. Like we lived on a
street called Lombard inEvansville, and if you went
probably a couple 100 yards downin the backyard of one of the
duplexes was a hill, and that'swhere we would go sledding and
everything, and they'd broughtin a the the the dirt moving
equipment, and the hill is nolonger a hill. It is a flat
ground, but all the all theroughhouses, and we go rolling

(17:30):
down the hill, throwing peopledown the hill, it does not
exist.

Doug (17:33):
If it's still called the hill.

Keith (17:34):
No. It's they Oh, the flatlands I would imagine.

Doug (17:36):
When they drive by. I

Keith (17:38):
bet anybody my age would call it the hill. It doesn't
exist. How about A Moment FromYour Past Most People Wouldn't
Know?

Doug (17:50):
Man, you're asking really good questions. Well, was a
pretty adventurous snow skier,and that adventure is no more
because of the frugal thing. Itcosts a lot of money to go snow
skiing, but I was at one time avery adventurous snow skier.

Keith (18:08):
Yeah, a moment from my past. Sometime, you guys can go
on the Internet and look it up.Was sitting in a history class.
My desk shook, and it was ahistorical moment in Evansville.
There was a guy named Ray Ryanwho lived on the street I lived
on, and the mafia blew him up.
And that was a moment in my pastthat nobody

Doug (18:26):
It's one you don't forget.

Keith (18:27):
Yeah. No. It left a mark. It was a it was a it taught me
about stuff. I had to read abouthim and figure out what went on.
I'm like, wow. That happenedhere. But, like, anything that's
ever happened in historyhappened somewhere. Right. So
you you have it there.
So how about is there a is therelike a a mystery or a secret in
your family that your family'skept secret, like, amongst each
other? I'll go first on this.There there was a piece of steak

(18:50):
that was missing off of a plate,and nobody claimed to eat it.
And and everybody blamedeverybody. I still do.
I think if I bring this uptomorrow at the table, they'll
argue over who ate the piece ofsteak.

Doug (19:01):
Your, like, your your kids are

Keith (19:03):
These are my kids.

Doug (19:04):
Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Keith (19:05):
I don't know if you have any of those, but they're kind
of fun.

Doug (19:08):
Oh, that's that's really great. If you don't know, I
suppose you're the one. And somaybe there's a secret being
told about me. All right.

Keith (19:18):
So that one's a little hard question for you to throw
out there too. Let me throw acouple others out here. How
about a forgotten childhoodtrend that you used to do?

Doug (19:31):
Give me an example, you go.

Keith (19:36):
Well, when we were kids, we played Foursquare.

Doug (19:38):
Okay.

Keith (19:39):
That happened almost every day.

Doug (19:40):
Yeah, that's a solid one. Man, we just rode bikes
everywhere. Me and Gabe Green,we rode our bikes everywhere
with no supervision. Think if wecould,

Keith (19:51):
maybe if we could, around the tables this holiday season,
encourage the youngsters to dothose things, whatever they are,
because that's where you buildsome-

Doug (19:58):
Gotta be careful though, they want e bikes, and

Keith (20:00):
those are expensive. No e bikes. We're talking TPN people,
how about that?

Doug (20:07):
That's a good one.

Keith (20:08):
That's a good one. How about an outdated rule your
parents insisted on? Gosh. I'lltell you one. For me, it was no
conduct marks on your reportcard.
And when I hear about schools,they say, the conduct's not that
big a deal. In our day, conductat school was a big deal.

Doug (20:31):
Yeah. I imagine so. I mean, I've got all kinds of
silly dad rules like, hey, turnoff the lights type stuff.

Keith (20:38):
Oh, yeah. That's classic. How about a story you can't
believe happened in yourlifetime? Like something you did
that you can't believe thathappened.

Doug (20:46):
Man, Keith, you're asking a lot of really good questions.
I like what you're doing here,but my brain's so slow.

Keith (20:54):
All right. I'll go first. In 2009, I had a conference in
Phoenix, and it was supposed tobe like four or five days, and
then I found out there was afather daughter dance, and it
got short, cut and short to,like, either thirty six or forty
eight hours. And there was a lotof things I needed to do out
there. One was hang out withyour friend Franz, and Mhmm.

(21:14):
And everything just gotcompacted real short. And and
amazing things happened in thosethirty six hours. I couldn't
believe that happened. But I wassitting on a wall just thinking,
man, I can't believe what allhas happened in this, like,
thirty six hours. And thiscrippled old man came walking
probably less than 10 feet awayfrom me.
And I looked up at him andthought, man, I wouldn't trade

(21:35):
my life for your life oranything, and it was Muhammad
Ali. That was the end of anamazing thirty six hours. And
I'm like, wouldn't trade it.

Doug (21:41):
Say that question again. That's a good one.

Keith (21:44):
A story you can't believe happened.

Doug (21:46):
A story you can't believe happened. Yeah. Man, I've I've
I've got several of those. We'vetouched on one in one of these
podcasts. But I I think a atwenty twenty five story I can't
believe is happening is we arefriends with Stan Weinstein.
Yeah. I can't believe thathappened.

Keith (22:03):
I think, like, if you're gonna talk with family around
the table this holiday

Doug (22:06):
season That's a great question.

Keith (22:08):
Yeah. You should encourage them to make those
kind of things happen. Like, weinterviewed a Thunderbird pilot
a couple weeks ago. Mhmm. Like,who can do that?
Think you can do anything youwant with just a little bit of
encouragement, right? Yeah. Allright, here you go. This one,
who in the past do you wishyou'd ask more questions?

Doug (22:31):
Well, I think my mom's dad, I wish I would have asked
him some more questions. He wasa little intimidating. He was a
World War II vet, littleintimidating, and one of my sons
just thinks the world of him,which I think is so cool. And
one of my sons, who's never methim, grandpa died when I was 14
or 15, but one of my sons asksgreat questions about his great

(22:55):
grandpa. So my mom can answersome of these, but I wish I
would've done some of that.

Keith (23:01):
My answer would be the same. It'd be my mom's dad.
Well, he may be my grandmotherboth, I don't know who was the
instigator, but they put agrocery store in the food desert
in the inner city of Evansville,think in the late 1940s, when
racism was something that nobodytell you really If you're my
age, you understand what itprobably was, but for him to do

(23:23):
that was just revolutionary. Andhe never really got any
publicity about it, but it was abig deal. It was a big deal.
I'd say let's throw a couplemore out there. This one, don't
even know. I haven't thoughtabout it. Just wrote the
question down. A smell thatinstantly takes you someplace or
to someone else.

Doug (23:44):
That's good. What comes to mind for you?

Keith (23:48):
I'd say Christmas cookies. It takes me back to
1970s Christmas. My mom was allabout part of mom's community
thing was she would make, Idon't think I'm exaggerating, 30
different kinds of cookies.Yeah. And then package them, and
then we would go deliver them topeople during the holidays.
So when I smell Christmascookies or any cookies, it
brings me back to mom, andthey're just rolling dough and

(24:11):
doing her thing.

Doug (24:11):
Man, that is really cool. For me, a smell or a sound, it's
probably the starting of a boat.When I hear a start of a boat,
it really makes me think earlyon in my marriage with Caroline
and my father-in-law, and just alot of good memories.

Keith (24:29):
And just about that gasoline smell, it sends me to
Barkley Lake down in Kentuckyjust thinking about it. So final
question, and I think we'regoing try to maybe have these on
the show notes. So if you guyswant to have some conversations
with people. The questions?Yeah.
Yeah, I think that'd be a goodthing for you guys.

Doug (24:44):
That's good.

Keith (24:45):
Nice job. What object of the past do you think you'll
keep? I come from a long line ofhoarders, and so I try to get
rid of stuff as much as I canpersonally. So I'm constantly
getting rid of stuff. And in thecase my daughter had been
watching this, when she movedinto her house a couple weekends

(25:06):
ago, I kept taking randomobjects and putting it in her
stuff so it shows up.
And then Caitlin's boyfriend,David, he doesn't know me that
well. I said, hey. Go throw thisin the in the moving van. It was
a bag full of leaves.

Doug (25:18):
That's hilarious. That's a keeper. It's funny. I really am
not addicted to things. Yeah.
So I can't think of anythingthat I'd really want to keep.

Keith (25:31):
You know what I

Doug (25:32):
can I have a really great picture of Caroline? It's
probably my favorite thing Yeah.That I

Keith (25:39):
keep a lot of letters that people send me. I was
looking through some of themyesterday, and then I have to
let them go, but that's like apiece of the past. Those letters
are kind of fun to read and lookat. And what I've found, Ellen,
just- I do

Doug (25:51):
keep client Christmas cards for some reason.

Keith (25:54):
You do?

Doug (25:54):
I do. And I look through them

Keith (25:56):
and- Yeah. Yeah. I use those things as a prayer list to
pray for those people, so IWell, use this has been fun,
Doug. It's a little differentanimal than we've done.

Doug (26:06):
Tell me why you did this.

Keith (26:08):
I can't think of anything I enjoy more than our dinner
table. Like when I sit down atmy dinner table and I don't have
to bring the questions, thatthing will go, and literally, I
suspect people, until theirbutts get tired, will sit a
couple hours and talk. And Ijust don't know of any I think
intimacy is a gift of life. Andthe more intimacy you have with

(26:31):
people, I just think life that'sinvaluable even compared to the
wealth we help you with.

Doug (26:36):
Yeah. Good gifts. Yeah. Well, happy Thanksgiving. Happy
Thanksgiving, everybody.

Keith (26:41):
We'll see you guys soon.