June 24, 2025 • 20 mins
The intersection of Eastern contemplation and Western psychology creates a powerful framework for healing, as demonstrated in this deep conversation with Swedish psychologist Dan Lundgre. With over 35 years of clinical experience and 45 years of meditation practice, Dan shares his remarkable journey from Zen Buddhist meditation halls to establishing his thriving psychotherapy practice in Lund.
Dan's unique approach transcends conventional therapy models. Beginning with his own quest for inner peace in the early 1980s, he has crafted a methodology that addresses both psychological distress and spiritual awakening. Rather than limiting himself to a single therapeutic framework, he draws from psychodynamic theory, cognitive approaches, hypnotherapy, and meditation practices to create genuinely personalized treatment. What truly sets his work apart is his growing focus on "spiritual emergence" - helping clients who experience psychological challenges alongside profound shifts in consciousness.
At the heart of Dan's philosophy lies a deceptively simple insight: most psychological suffering stems from our inability to fully accept and love ourselves. "What my clients have in common is not liking parts of themselves," he explains, noting how this internal conflict creates stress that manifests as various ailments. His therapeutic goal is to guide people toward self-acceptance through heightened awareness and internadialogue. Whether working with university students, long-term clients, or groups at his newly established rural retreat center, Dan demonstrates how coming to peace with oneself represents the ultimate healing journey. How might your relationship with yourself change if you approached your challenging parts with compassion rather than conflict?
📇 Guest Contact & Social Links for Episode BioÂ
- Full Name: Dan Landgré
- Title: Licensed Psychologist & Psychotherapist
- Practice: Dan Landgré AB
- Website: www.landgre.se
- Email: dan@landgre.se
- Phone: +46 708-972130
- Location: Lund, Sweden
- Specialties: Zen meditation, transpersonal psychology, psychotherapy, spiritual emergence
- Affiliations: Swedish and international Zen sangha
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Dr Andrew Greenland (00:02):
Welcome to Voices in Health and Wellness.
This is the podcast where wesit down with practitioners and
clinic leaders to explore what'sworking and what's really
happening behind the scenes.
I'm Andrew Greenland, founderof Greenland Medical, and I'm
the host of the show Today.
I'm really thrilled to bejoined by Dan Lundgren.
Dan is a licensed psychologistand psychotherapist based in
Lund, sweden, leading his ownpractice, dan Lundgren AB.
(00:25):
With a strong clinicalbackground and a deep commitment
to patient-centered care, danbrings a thoughtful, grounded
perspective to today'sconversation.
Dan, a very warm welcome andthank you very much for joining
us on the show this afternoon.
Dan Landgre (00:38):
Thank you very much , Andrew.
I'm happy to be here.
Dr Andrew Greenland (00:41):
Thank you.
So maybe we could start at thethe top.
Could you tell us a little bitabout your journey into
psychotherapy and what inspiredyou to leave behind the purely
clinical path to build your ownpractice in lund?
Dan Landgre (00:53):
yeah, actually it's .
It's really going back to beinga seeker and starting
meditation practice, mainly Zen,zen, buddhist meditation in the
early 80s and also, of course,my own working with my own
(01:16):
problems in my life and findinga cure for that.
So it made me interested inpsychology.
So I went to Lund Universityand got my psychology and became
licensed psychologist andmainly interested in
psychotherapy and in 90, no,actually in the beginning of
(01:44):
2000, I found something that'sreally.
This is something very special,I think, and it's the
combination with the Zen teacherand with his big mind process
(02:07):
that really combines these twostrands.
Actually, you could say.
And interestingly enough, fromworking mostly clinically with
all kinds of problems you knowdepression, relational problems,
anxiety and all the usual asall kinds of problems, you know
(02:28):
depression, relational problems,anxiety and all the usual as a
psychotherapist, it's beengrowing over to working with
people that's also really intothis, what we call spiritual
emergence right, where they havekind of awakenings but
connected with, with, with theproblematic uh symptoms.
(02:51):
So it's it's like a combinationof, like you could say,
pathological stuff andawakenings, insight into the
broader spectrum ofconsciousness and uh may.
There's been more and more ofthose kinds of patients and some
who are very deep intomeditation, is really working on
their awakening process, andthat's also really where I'm
(03:15):
heading, more and more.
So, of course, my frame ofreference for psychology has
been transpersonal psychologysince, since, since, early on,
since the 80s really.
I I guess you might be familiarwith Ken Wilber, the
philosopher who big this, builtthis theory.
(03:38):
Now there's.
I'm missing you.
I don't know if you hear me.
Dr Andrew Greenland (03:46):
I can hear you okay, have you got me?
Dan Landgre (03:50):
Yeah, yeah, I can't see you, though, oh okay, there
you are again Okay, yeah, yeah,okay.
So where were we?
Dr Andrew Greenland (04:00):
You were just talking about Ken Wilber.
Dan Landgre (04:02):
Yeah, yeah, and he was really, in the 80s, my
theoretical guru, I mean,because he was really combining
the psychological developmentaltheories with the spiritual
journeys and the transcendentalwisdom, the perennial philosophy
, you know.
So that's been very importantfor me since then amazing.
Dr Andrew Greenland (04:31):
So what was ?
I don't know how long you'vebeen doing this work or how long
ago you established um yourself, but what was your vision for
this when you, when you firstlaunched, and how has that
changed?
Dan Landgre (04:45):
I guess when I first launched it was rather
early on, I wasn't even finishedwith the university, really, I
had the end thesis still workingon that one, but it was, you
know, contacts, colleagues,psychologists, like myself.
(05:06):
He really wanted to get me intotheir business.
They had a business withclients, so I established rather
early this, but then it wasmainly, of course, finding the
ways to help people heal.
(05:28):
And then it's been changing andworking.
Back then I was merelypsychodynamic, my frame of
reference was mainlypsychodynamic and, and after
that I've been, you know,incorporating cognitive stuff
and then also meditation and andand also hypnotherapy.
(05:54):
Hypnotherapy and different modes, different technologies,
psychotechnologies really, andand moving over to what does my
client really need Today?
I think it's really.
It's been synthesized in a way.
It's got to do with yourrelation to your heart and
(06:16):
really loving yourself andcoming to peace with yourself.
So it's merging, you know, likein the, the awakening.
You say you come to your truenature when you wake up, uh, in
in enlightenment and all all thefancy words you we have for
that.
It's.
It's got to do with with um,getting to your true nature,
(06:38):
right, becoming one withyourself.
But what, what is that?
What is that that's really, Imean, that's really loving
yourself, that's becoming onewith love, and then, then, and
that is really the synthesis ofthat, is all getting peace,
getting to peace with yourself,right, the conflicts in your
(07:01):
mind, that that really is thebasis for all kind of ills.
I mean psychological andsomatic also, because it's
stress in the system with allthese conflicts.
So we have to alleviate thestress in the system and then we
have to reach peace withourselves.
These conflicts need to getsettled in ourselves.
(07:26):
So it's having a dialogue withall the parts of yourself, right
.
I mean mainly what my clients,what most all of them, have in
common is not liking all ofthemselves, right, they can be
(07:47):
all different, really, spite,really contempt for themselves,
to different levels of that, ofcourse, of not liking that part
and not liking that part, and soon.
And, as we know, I mean, whenyou have that, you also project
it, of course, out into theworld and put it on other people
(08:07):
, and you know which wouldcreate a mess for yourself and
for others.
Dr Andrew Greenland (08:16):
So when a client rings up and says oh, I'm
just finding out whether I'dlike to work with you, how do
you encapsulate what yourapproach is, because everybody
has a different sort of a way oftackling things.
You've got a sort of eclecticmix of things that you use to
help patients, but how do youtell people in a nutshell what
it is that you do and what yourapproach is for somebody who
doesn't know very much, just sothat our listeners get an
(08:37):
understanding of what your kindof offering is?
Dan Landgre (08:43):
Yeah, in a nutshell , I think, Coming to peace with
yourself, you know, mainlythrough finding out how you get
into conflict with yourself andthrough meditation, which helps
you become more aware.
That's the basic really Got it.
Dr Andrew Greenland (09:13):
It, um, where do you get?
Where did you find most of theearly traction in terms of the
people that sort of tended tocome to you or reached out to
you or you found you couldreally help as you started out?
What's the sort of?
I know you probably see a wholeraft of different complaints
and different problems, but isthere a kind of a real focus of
where things go wrong for peoplewhere your approach really
helps?
Dan Landgre (09:40):
relational problems for a start, but also I mean
also for anxiety and depression.
I wouldn't.
It's really broad, it's a broadspectrum.
It's not just this clinicalgroup, so to speak.
(10:05):
It works for many kinds ofailments, I would say, would you
?
Dr Andrew Greenland (10:13):
regard your approach as quite unique.
It works for many kinds ofailments, I would say.
Would you regard your approachas quite unique in the sort of
psychotherapeutic realm BecauseI have no idea.
No, I just wondered in terms ofthe industry of psychotherapy,
because I just wondered are youdoing something very different
to what other people are doing?
Dan Landgre (10:34):
I guess, I'm trying to ask.
It seems like most of mycolleagues work in a different
way, but I don't know.
I don't know really.
I also know there are several,but maybe more, in my
(10:55):
international sangha.
There are severalpsychotherapists and I guess
they work more similarly to me.
I'm part of a Swedish sangha Asangha is a Zen Buddhist
community, right, and I'm alsopart of an international Sangha.
It's mainly based in the US,but also in Europe.
(11:18):
So we're kind of a virtualSangha and there are many
therapists there and I guessmany of them work like me.
But in Sweden maybe not so much.
A few, I know a few that dothat.
(11:39):
But if you generalize, probably, um, most of my colleagues I
mean the swedish psychopsychologists, right, they, they
probably don't work like I do,I guess okay, and how do you
attract your clients?
Dr Andrew Greenland (11:55):
I mean, are you obviously you've probably
established you've been workingfor a while?
I guess word of mouth is a bigthing, but do you do anything
specifically to attract newclients, or do they just find
you?
Dan Landgre (12:06):
they find me nowadays.
I don't do any marketing.
Uh, I'm, I'm on.
There are certain sites whichare actually for free where
people can find psychotherapists, and I am on them.
They can find me there.
I was for a while chairman ofthe board in the Swedish.
(12:28):
How would you translate that?
The main clinical body forhypnotherapists, if I put it
that way, as we know.
So of course I'm on there too,so people find me that way too.
But I mean, I've been workingas a therapist for, I mean, more
(12:51):
than 35 years, so it's mainlyword of mouth and it's a really
big chunk of students which Ilove to work with at the
university in Lund, where I'mpartly situated.
My practice is there, it'svirtual and it's there and
(13:12):
that's the lund university, andthey have a program for for
becoming a psychologist and uh,so, and they are are supposed to
do some therapy for themselves.
So I have a bunch of them, uh,the students, and that's it's
lovely to work with them reallyI mean, I haven't seen you know,
(13:36):
I guess you you feel the same.
I mean, we're uh, you're noyoungster anymore.
So I mean the feeling of beinguh like a mentor, being able to
give to to the young the youngpeople is is uh kind of a
special treat, I think so thisis not necessarily teaching per
se, but they have to do this aspart of their.
Dr Andrew Greenland (13:58):
They have to basically have therapy
themselves to understand theprocess and go through the
process themselves yeah yeah,yeah, and are you noticing any
patterns in terms of, um,speaking about millennials,
because I guess we're talkingabout that particular age group
are?
Are there any particularpatterns or problems that are
particular to millennials, or iseverybody having exactly the
same problems throughout thedifferent ages?
Dan Landgre (14:26):
Interesting question.
It's a good question, but Iguess I haven't reflected on it.
Really, maybe start fromanother note.
You know that many of them noware already doing meditation and
are interested in meditation,and but it could be that I see
(14:46):
them because they find out on mywebsite that I'm also a Zen
Buddhist monk, and so that waythey oh yeah, yeah, he's
interested in that and that'sgood for me.
That's what I want so maybe Isee a certain clientele.
Is that the word you use?
Clientele?
Dr Andrew Greenland (15:05):
Yeah, clientele yeah yeah, yeah so
sorry, come on, no no.
Dan Landgre (15:14):
Shoot.
Dr Andrew Greenland (15:15):
I was just going to ask another thing.
I was going to say are you aone-man band in your practice?
Yeah, I was just going to askwhat sort of operational
challenges you have running aone-man practice in today's age,
because obviously you'vedeveloped a client base over
many, many years.
I guess you're very, very busy.
I just wondered how it all kindof works from a one-man
(15:37):
perspective.
Dan Landgre (15:43):
It works fine.
I don't.
I don't know, maybe it's got todo with my, my, my own, my own
process over many years.
I mean, I started meditating 45years ago, you know, and it and
it's brought me so muchhappiness and joy and coming to
peace with myself, obviously.
Dr Andrew Greenland (16:07):
So I don't know if I dare say it but I
don't have much challenges.
Dan Landgre (16:12):
Really it's a lovely life.
I mean, if you don't look atGaza and Ukraine and all that
which makes your heart bleed, ofcourse, and you cry from it.
But otherwise I can't say Ireally have any challenges,
(16:34):
other than I'm a bit splitbecause I have my practice in
Lund.
But I'm talking to you now froma small land that's like 230
kilometers north of Lund inSweden, out in the rural area,
mostly forests and meadowsaround, and it's beautiful and I
(16:55):
love it here, right with thenature.
So I want to be here, but manyclients want to meet me in
person and you know.
So I have mixed feelings.
That's.
That's a little challenging,having mixed feelings about how,
where should I work?
Should I go on?
You know, I guess I'll bemoving up here eventually, Nice.
Dr Andrew Greenland (17:19):
Do you have any plans to grow, expand?
I mean, obviously you're aone-man band, you'll have
everything wrapped.
I just wondered if you haveinterest in sort of taking
people on and having apprenticesand kind of spreading your
approach wider, or whetheryou're just happy doing what you
do.
Dan Landgre (17:37):
I'm happy doing what I do.
I'm happy doing what I do and Ivery much nowadays take, you
know, I take one step at a time.
I'm here, right, and thenthings come up.
And things did come up up herebecause we built a zendo, you
know, part of the old barn.
We renovated and built a houseinside the barn where there's a
(18:02):
sendo and two small bedrooms and, you know, a kitchen and
bathroom and so on.
So hopefully there will beclients coming, groups doing
retreats, both, you know know,both working with just
meditation and awakening, butalso with confronting the shadow
(18:23):
sides, all right, and workingin that in a group setting.
So that's, I would love that totake, you know, speed.
Dr Andrew Greenland (18:34):
Maybe we'll see about that.
Okay and um, do you have anyimmediate plans for what you
want to do in your clinic andyour practice over the next 6-12
months, or is it just more ofthe same and just kind of
rolling on?
Dan Landgre (18:50):
well, it's just what I said, that maybe having
groups, it's, you know, up hereat workshops with groups that
might be otherwise carrying on.
I love to meet my clients.
I like to meet my patients.
Dr Andrew Greenland (19:07):
I love my work even more now I'm partly
retired, but so I work threedays a week, so it's like a
perfect life right now Very nice, and I mean, this is an
industry where there's an awfullot of burnout, I'm guessing,
but I suppose that your approachand the Buddhism that comes
(19:28):
into this is your way ofself-care.
Is that a fair assessment?
Dan Landgre (19:32):
Yeah, definitely.
I'm much into self-care andthat's what I try to teach also,
of course, wonderful, it's allgot to do with self-care.
Really, how are you about that?
Do you meditate?
Dr Andrew Greenland (19:52):
I do.
Probably not to your level, butI certainly do and I practice
what I preach.
So all the things I get mypatients to do, I'm kind of
doing myself.
I look after myself, I try toget the best possible quality
sleep, I try to keep stress to aminimum, I exercise, I eat.
Well, all the things that Itell my patients to do, I'm
doing to some degree.
I'm not perfect by any means,but I do practice what I preach
(20:13):
absolutely yeah, yeah, exactlythe same the same here.
Yeah, yeah, very good to hearthank you and, on that note,
thank you very much for yourtime this afternoon.
Very interesting conversation,glad to hear about what you do
and your approach.
I'm sure this will be somethingthat will resonate with other
people listening to this call.
But yeah, thank you very muchfor your time.
Dan Landgre (20:33):
Really appreciate it thank you so much, andrew.
I'm happy you found me.
Welcome to Voices in Health and Wellness.
This is the podcast where wesit down with practitioners and
clinic leaders to explore what'sworking and what's really
happening behind the scenes.
I'm Andrew Greenland, founderof Greenland Medical, and I'm
the host of the show Today.
I'm really thrilled to bejoined by Dan Lundgren.
Dan is a licensed psychologistand psychotherapist based in
Lund, sweden, leading his ownpractice, dan Lundgren AB.
(00:25):
With a strong clinicalbackground and a deep commitment
to patient-centered care, danbrings a thoughtful, grounded
perspective to today'sconversation.
Dan, a very warm welcome andthank you very much for joining
us on the show this afternoon.
Dan Landgre (00:38):
Thank you very much , Andrew.
I'm happy to be here.
Dr Andrew Greenland (00:41):
Thank you.
So maybe we could start at thethe top.
Could you tell us a little bitabout your journey into
psychotherapy and what inspiredyou to leave behind the purely
clinical path to build your ownpractice in lund?
Dan Landgre (00:53):
yeah, actually it's .
It's really going back to beinga seeker and starting
meditation practice, mainly Zen,zen, buddhist meditation in the
early 80s and also, of course,my own working with my own
(01:16):
problems in my life and findinga cure for that.
So it made me interested inpsychology.
So I went to Lund Universityand got my psychology and became
licensed psychologist andmainly interested in
psychotherapy and in 90, no,actually in the beginning of
(01:44):
2000, I found something that'sreally.
This is something very special,I think, and it's the
combination with the Zen teacherand with his big mind process
(02:07):
that really combines these twostrands.
Actually, you could say.
And interestingly enough, fromworking mostly clinically with
all kinds of problems you knowdepression, relational problems,
anxiety and all the usual asall kinds of problems, you know
(02:28):
depression, relational problems,anxiety and all the usual as a
psychotherapist, it's beengrowing over to working with
people that's also really intothis, what we call spiritual
emergence right, where they havekind of awakenings but
connected with, with, with theproblematic uh symptoms.
(02:51):
So it's it's like a combinationof, like you could say,
pathological stuff andawakenings, insight into the
broader spectrum ofconsciousness and uh may.
There's been more and more ofthose kinds of patients and some
who are very deep intomeditation, is really working on
their awakening process, andthat's also really where I'm
(03:15):
heading, more and more.
So, of course, my frame ofreference for psychology has
been transpersonal psychologysince, since, since, early on,
since the 80s really.
I I guess you might be familiarwith Ken Wilber, the
philosopher who big this, builtthis theory.
(03:38):
Now there's.
I'm missing you.
I don't know if you hear me.
Dr Andrew Greenland (03:46):
I can hear you okay, have you got me?
Dan Landgre (03:50):
Yeah, yeah, I can't see you, though, oh okay, there
you are again Okay, yeah, yeah,okay.
So where were we?
Dr Andrew Greenland (04:00):
You were just talking about Ken Wilber.
Dan Landgre (04:02):
Yeah, yeah, and he was really, in the 80s, my
theoretical guru, I mean,because he was really combining
the psychological developmentaltheories with the spiritual
journeys and the transcendentalwisdom, the perennial philosophy
, you know.
So that's been very importantfor me since then amazing.
Dr Andrew Greenland (04:31):
So what was ?
I don't know how long you'vebeen doing this work or how long
ago you established um yourself, but what was your vision for
this when you, when you firstlaunched, and how has that
changed?
Dan Landgre (04:45):
I guess when I first launched it was rather
early on, I wasn't even finishedwith the university, really, I
had the end thesis still workingon that one, but it was, you
know, contacts, colleagues,psychologists, like myself.
(05:06):
He really wanted to get me intotheir business.
They had a business withclients, so I established rather
early this, but then it wasmainly, of course, finding the
ways to help people heal.
(05:28):
And then it's been changing andworking.
Back then I was merelypsychodynamic, my frame of
reference was mainlypsychodynamic and, and after
that I've been, you know,incorporating cognitive stuff
and then also meditation and andand also hypnotherapy.
(05:54):
Hypnotherapy and different modes, different technologies,
psychotechnologies really, andand moving over to what does my
client really need Today?
I think it's really.
It's been synthesized in a way.
It's got to do with yourrelation to your heart and
(06:16):
really loving yourself andcoming to peace with yourself.
So it's merging, you know, likein the, the awakening.
You say you come to your truenature when you wake up, uh, in
in enlightenment and all all thefancy words you we have for
that.
It's.
It's got to do with with um,getting to your true nature,
(06:38):
right, becoming one withyourself.
But what, what is that?
What is that that's really, Imean, that's really loving
yourself, that's becoming onewith love, and then, then, and
that is really the synthesis ofthat, is all getting peace,
getting to peace with yourself,right, the conflicts in your
(07:01):
mind, that that really is thebasis for all kind of ills.
I mean psychological andsomatic also, because it's
stress in the system with allthese conflicts.
So we have to alleviate thestress in the system and then we
have to reach peace withourselves.
These conflicts need to getsettled in ourselves.
(07:26):
So it's having a dialogue withall the parts of yourself, right
.
I mean mainly what my clients,what most all of them, have in
common is not liking all ofthemselves, right, they can be
(07:47):
all different, really, spite,really contempt for themselves,
to different levels of that, ofcourse, of not liking that part
and not liking that part, and soon.
And, as we know, I mean, whenyou have that, you also project
it, of course, out into theworld and put it on other people
(08:07):
, and you know which wouldcreate a mess for yourself and
for others.
Dr Andrew Greenland (08:16):
So when a client rings up and says oh, I'm
just finding out whether I'dlike to work with you, how do
you encapsulate what yourapproach is, because everybody
has a different sort of a way oftackling things.
You've got a sort of eclecticmix of things that you use to
help patients, but how do youtell people in a nutshell what
it is that you do and what yourapproach is for somebody who
doesn't know very much, just sothat our listeners get an
(08:37):
understanding of what your kindof offering is?
Dan Landgre (08:43):
Yeah, in a nutshell , I think, Coming to peace with
yourself, you know, mainlythrough finding out how you get
into conflict with yourself andthrough meditation, which helps
you become more aware.
That's the basic really Got it.
Dr Andrew Greenland (09:13):
It, um, where do you get?
Where did you find most of theearly traction in terms of the
people that sort of tended tocome to you or reached out to
you or you found you couldreally help as you started out?
What's the sort of?
I know you probably see a wholeraft of different complaints
and different problems, but isthere a kind of a real focus of
where things go wrong for peoplewhere your approach really
helps?
Dan Landgre (09:40):
relational problems for a start, but also I mean
also for anxiety and depression.
I wouldn't.
It's really broad, it's a broadspectrum.
It's not just this clinicalgroup, so to speak.
(10:05):
It works for many kinds ofailments, I would say, would you
?
Dr Andrew Greenland (10:13):
regard your approach as quite unique.
It works for many kinds ofailments, I would say.
Would you regard your approachas quite unique in the sort of
psychotherapeutic realm BecauseI have no idea.
No, I just wondered in terms ofthe industry of psychotherapy,
because I just wondered are youdoing something very different
to what other people are doing?
Dan Landgre (10:34):
I guess, I'm trying to ask.
It seems like most of mycolleagues work in a different
way, but I don't know.
I don't know really.
I also know there are several,but maybe more, in my
(10:55):
international sangha.
There are severalpsychotherapists and I guess
they work more similarly to me.
I'm part of a Swedish sangha Asangha is a Zen Buddhist
community, right, and I'm alsopart of an international Sangha.
It's mainly based in the US,but also in Europe.
(11:18):
So we're kind of a virtualSangha and there are many
therapists there and I guessmany of them work like me.
But in Sweden maybe not so much.
A few, I know a few that dothat.
(11:39):
But if you generalize, probably, um, most of my colleagues I
mean the swedish psychopsychologists, right, they, they
probably don't work like I do,I guess okay, and how do you
attract your clients?
Dr Andrew Greenland (11:55):
I mean, are you obviously you've probably
established you've been workingfor a while?
I guess word of mouth is a bigthing, but do you do anything
specifically to attract newclients, or do they just find
you?
Dan Landgre (12:06):
they find me nowadays.
I don't do any marketing.
Uh, I'm, I'm on.
There are certain sites whichare actually for free where
people can find psychotherapists, and I am on them.
They can find me there.
I was for a while chairman ofthe board in the Swedish.
(12:28):
How would you translate that?
The main clinical body forhypnotherapists, if I put it
that way, as we know.
So of course I'm on there too,so people find me that way too.
But I mean, I've been workingas a therapist for, I mean, more
(12:51):
than 35 years, so it's mainlyword of mouth and it's a really
big chunk of students which Ilove to work with at the
university in Lund, where I'mpartly situated.
My practice is there, it'svirtual and it's there and
(13:12):
that's the lund university, andthey have a program for for
becoming a psychologist and uh,so, and they are are supposed to
do some therapy for themselves.
So I have a bunch of them, uh,the students, and that's it's
lovely to work with them reallyI mean, I haven't seen you know,
(13:36):
I guess you you feel the same.
I mean, we're uh, you're noyoungster anymore.
So I mean the feeling of beinguh like a mentor, being able to
give to to the young the youngpeople is is uh kind of a
special treat, I think so thisis not necessarily teaching per
se, but they have to do this aspart of their.
Dr Andrew Greenland (13:58):
They have to basically have therapy
themselves to understand theprocess and go through the
process themselves yeah yeah,yeah, and are you noticing any
patterns in terms of, um,speaking about millennials,
because I guess we're talkingabout that particular age group
are?
Are there any particularpatterns or problems that are
particular to millennials, or iseverybody having exactly the
same problems throughout thedifferent ages?
Dan Landgre (14:26):
Interesting question.
It's a good question, but Iguess I haven't reflected on it.
Really, maybe start fromanother note.
You know that many of them noware already doing meditation and
are interested in meditation,and but it could be that I see
(14:46):
them because they find out on mywebsite that I'm also a Zen
Buddhist monk, and so that waythey oh yeah, yeah, he's
interested in that and that'sgood for me.
That's what I want so maybe Isee a certain clientele.
Is that the word you use?
Clientele?
Dr Andrew Greenland (15:05):
Yeah, clientele yeah yeah, yeah so
sorry, come on, no no.
Dan Landgre (15:14):
Shoot.
Dr Andrew Greenland (15:15):
I was just going to ask another thing.
I was going to say are you aone-man band in your practice?
Yeah, I was just going to askwhat sort of operational
challenges you have running aone-man practice in today's age,
because obviously you'vedeveloped a client base over
many, many years.
I guess you're very, very busy.
I just wondered how it all kindof works from a one-man
(15:37):
perspective.
Dan Landgre (15:43):
It works fine.
I don't.
I don't know, maybe it's got todo with my, my, my own, my own
process over many years.
I mean, I started meditating 45years ago, you know, and it and
it's brought me so muchhappiness and joy and coming to
peace with myself, obviously.
Dr Andrew Greenland (16:07):
So I don't know if I dare say it but I
don't have much challenges.
Dan Landgre (16:12):
Really it's a lovely life.
I mean, if you don't look atGaza and Ukraine and all that
which makes your heart bleed, ofcourse, and you cry from it.
But otherwise I can't say Ireally have any challenges,
(16:34):
other than I'm a bit splitbecause I have my practice in
Lund.
But I'm talking to you now froma small land that's like 230
kilometers north of Lund inSweden, out in the rural area,
mostly forests and meadowsaround, and it's beautiful and I
(16:55):
love it here, right with thenature.
So I want to be here, but manyclients want to meet me in
person and you know.
So I have mixed feelings.
That's.
That's a little challenging,having mixed feelings about how,
where should I work?
Should I go on?
You know, I guess I'll bemoving up here eventually, Nice.
Dr Andrew Greenland (17:19):
Do you have any plans to grow, expand?
I mean, obviously you're aone-man band, you'll have
everything wrapped.
I just wondered if you haveinterest in sort of taking
people on and having apprenticesand kind of spreading your
approach wider, or whetheryou're just happy doing what you
do.
Dan Landgre (17:37):
I'm happy doing what I do.
I'm happy doing what I do and Ivery much nowadays take, you
know, I take one step at a time.
I'm here, right, and thenthings come up.
And things did come up up herebecause we built a zendo, you
know, part of the old barn.
We renovated and built a houseinside the barn where there's a
(18:02):
sendo and two small bedrooms and, you know, a kitchen and
bathroom and so on.
So hopefully there will beclients coming, groups doing
retreats, both, you know know,both working with just
meditation and awakening, butalso with confronting the shadow
(18:23):
sides, all right, and workingin that in a group setting.
So that's, I would love that totake, you know, speed.
Dr Andrew Greenland (18:34):
Maybe we'll see about that.
Okay and um, do you have anyimmediate plans for what you
want to do in your clinic andyour practice over the next 6-12
months, or is it just more ofthe same and just kind of
rolling on?
Dan Landgre (18:50):
well, it's just what I said, that maybe having
groups, it's, you know, up hereat workshops with groups that
might be otherwise carrying on.
I love to meet my clients.
I like to meet my patients.
Dr Andrew Greenland (19:07):
I love my work even more now I'm partly
retired, but so I work threedays a week, so it's like a
perfect life right now Very nice, and I mean, this is an
industry where there's an awfullot of burnout, I'm guessing,
but I suppose that your approachand the Buddhism that comes
(19:28):
into this is your way ofself-care.
Is that a fair assessment?
Dan Landgre (19:32):
Yeah, definitely.
I'm much into self-care andthat's what I try to teach also,
of course, wonderful, it's allgot to do with self-care.
Really, how are you about that?
Do you meditate?
Dr Andrew Greenland (19:52):
I do.
Probably not to your level, butI certainly do and I practice
what I preach.
So all the things I get mypatients to do, I'm kind of
doing myself.
I look after myself, I try toget the best possible quality
sleep, I try to keep stress to aminimum, I exercise, I eat.
Well, all the things that Itell my patients to do, I'm
doing to some degree.
I'm not perfect by any means,but I do practice what I preach
(20:13):
absolutely yeah, yeah, exactlythe same the same here.
Yeah, yeah, very good to hearthank you and, on that note,
thank you very much for yourtime this afternoon.
Very interesting conversation,glad to hear about what you do
and your approach.
I'm sure this will be somethingthat will resonate with other
people listening to this call.
But yeah, thank you very muchfor your time.
Dan Landgre (20:33):
Really appreciate it thank you so much, andrew.
I'm happy you found me.
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