November 4, 2025 • 13 mins
Pippa Hudson speaks to Denis Costello, who is a qualified trail guide with an extensive list of solo treks under his belt, from the icecaps of Greenland to the jungles of Papua New Guinea. He’s written about them for his website WalkingSafaris.africa, and now he’s released a book to help you follow in his footsteps – it’s called Walking Safaris from the Cape to Kenya.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you prefer not to fly, perhaps today's segment is
just for you. You might have to fly to get
to some of the destinations, but once you're there, feet
firmly on the ground, please, because today we are doing
some armchair wondering of the world with Dennis Costello, who
is a qualified trail guide for the really extensive list
of solo tricks under his belt, everything from the ice
caps of Greenland to the jungles of Papua New Guinea.
(00:22):
And if it can be navigated on foot, chances are
Dennis has done it, especially so if it is a
trail somewhere here in Africa and particularly in South Africa.
Now he's written about them for years on his website
Walking Safaris dot Africa, but he's now released a book
to help you follow in his footsteps if you like.
It's called Walking Safaris of Africa From the Cape to
(00:44):
Kenya and it's published by Pelagic Publishing. Our thanks to
the team at Blue Weaver Marketing for connecting us with Dennis,
who is joining me on the phone this afternoon. Dennis,
great to have you with us on the show. Welcome
to Cape Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Hi, Hi Favor, Thank you for having me on good afternoon.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
It's a great pleasure to have you with us. Dennis.
What drew you into this field of trail guiding was?
Was it something you were exposed to in early childhood
or something you discovered for yourself in adulthood, Ah.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Much later. But before I even answered that question, I'm
going to remind you we spoke when my first book
came out twenty twenty one, and a nice story associated
with that, and I got contacted when the new book
came out by somebody in Cape Town who heard that
interview and didn't know you could even do these type
of walks in National Park in South Africa, got intrigued.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
And at the crucial point, the phone line drops. Oh dear,
oh dear, our apologies for that. We were try and
get Dennis back again to complete the story. I'm sitting
here with bated breath waiting to hear what role my
first interview with him played in this story. Apologies, We
are trying to connect on a different line with our
guests to continue the conversation about walking safaris of Africa.
(01:59):
Dennis cost is his name, and this is a guide
to guided walks from the Cape to Kenya. And maybe
while we just keep on trying to get hold of him.
Let me give you a bit of background to this
book and its purpose. So Dennis defines a walking safari
as a guided walk in a conservation area where there
is the possibility of encountering game of some kind. Whether
(02:21):
that's an elephant or a bookie around the corner might
be up to you, but is it for the purposes
of today's conversation. That is his concept of a walking
safari is it's on foot in a conservation area with
the possibility of an animal encounter, and it is led
by a trained guide. Right. I hope it's third time.
(02:42):
Lucky Dennis. We've got you back on the phone line
and you had us all Montinta hooks there. You're about
to tell us what happened after that last interview.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, it's a nice story. He heard our interview, went investigators,
did his guide training and it's now a trails guide.
And that came out of being inspired by that of you.
So sometimes I'm sure you do things and do interviews
you don't know what comes of them. But that's a
great example of you changed somebody's life there with that
interview four years ago.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
We've all got goosebumps. Dennis, thank you so much for
sharing with that. I've never heard that story before, so
that's absolutely remarkable. And if that listener happens to be
listening right now, please reach out to us by emails
that we can carry on this conversation in more detail.
But Denis back to the new book. While we were
struggling to reconnect with you there, I just explained to
the listeners that your your definition of a walking safari
(03:32):
for the purposes of this book is a guided walk
in a conservation area with the possibility of encountering wildlife
in that cond of text. Dennis, what is it about
the experience of exploring regions on foot that you find
so special that has drawn you into this with such depth.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Well, the key word there is the guided, because all
these walks, when you're in the hands of a professional
guide just brings a new dimension to us. No matter
how much you know I think you know about wildlife
and birds and trees, and the professional guides around Africa
have another level and they really open up areas you
just would never have thought about. They're going to talk
(04:12):
about geology and insect life and termite mounds and tracks.
Tracking is a really interesting part of it, So just
add a whole new dimension. And to be honest, once
you've done a couple of walks, you'll find going in
a vehicle a bit constraining, a bit boring and eal.
You know, safar as are wonderful. You do see a lot,
but it just opens up so many doors to you,
(04:34):
the full range of biodiversity, and you know Africa has
such a range, and South Africa has such a range.
It's a shame not to take at least one walk.
And when you're in these areas and you know they're
open for everybody. I've just come back from a trip
in the Kruger area where we did some backpacking trails.
Now these are harder, not for everybody, but we also
(04:56):
did other trails up in Pafouri, for example, which are
really accessible to everybody. You're ambling about for maybe four
or five kilometers over two to three hours, and so
people shouldn't feel that it's all about walking. It's far
more about the talking and the stops and just being
in nature and just absorbing that wonderful feeling of being
(05:17):
out in the wild.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
It's such a completely immersive kind of experience as well.
Dennis I find. You know, when you're on foot in
the bush, you hear sounds that you miss when you're
in a vehicle. You catch the little creatures on the ground.
As you've referenced, it's about the other things you stop
to look at because the guide points them out to you.
But it's also just the things you notice because you
are moving that much more slowly. You're not sort of
(05:39):
whipping your head around too late to catch a bird
that you missed on the previous tree. You can stop
and be quiet and look at it. So it's a
very different way of completely immersing yourself in the bush.
Now let's talk about it, Yeah, go ahead, yeah, Dennis.
Let's talk about the way you've structured this book and
what your intention is. As you've already said, it's not
(06:01):
just about the really serious, hardcore multi day trails, although
some of those are reflected in this book. There are
equally many more shorter accessible walks, and you also point
out the many different ways of having a walking safari experience.
It doesn't have to be too onerous, it doesn't have
to require peak level fitness. Do you want to talk
to us a little bit about some of the in
(06:21):
betweens and the different kinds of walking safaris that are
out there to be experienced.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, and the nightly nor South Africa's got the full range.
Other parts of Africa tend to be kind of more
expensive lodge based walking, and there's some great mobile walking
up in Zambia and Kenya, but South Africa has the
full range. So if you see yourself as a walker,
you can go and stay in a trails camp a
few nights and you know, Sand Park's one wonderful wilderness
(06:46):
trails camp. Lots of private ones, but if you just
want to taste of it, there's lots and lots of
camps and lodges in parks throughout South Africa where you
can just swap in a walk one morning instead of
going out on the game drive vehicle. You say, rather
a walk, and it's a good taster and a good
way to, you know, just to get that different experience.
(07:07):
So when you know backpacking type ones are are demanding,
but they're they're actually quite a small part of that.
And you know where you go and sleep out under
the stars, it's it's a really special experience and if
people are up for it and you have the gear
and the energy, there's nothing like sleeping out under the stars,
(07:27):
you know, taking terms to watch for wildlife at night.
It's an experience you share with, you know, the earliest humanity.
You can imagine people doing this two hundred thousand, three
hundred thousand years ago, hearing the same sounds of the animals,
the hyenas and the lions. But walking in general lets
you share that experience. When you're sitting up on a
copy looking at the view, you're doing something that humans
(07:50):
did long, long ago, and the trails guides are keeping
alive those skills that allow us to do that, that
you know, allow us to stay safe when we're walking
in these areas and be aware of what's around and
do the tracking. So I think that's a special aspect
that people don't realize until they actually do it. It's
not just about a learning experience, a classroom experience. It's
(08:12):
about doing something that humans have always done, and it's
very rare to be able to do that, to experience
something like that. So I really encourage people to even
if you don't see yourself as a walker, you know,
next time you're in one of the wonderful national parks,
if walks are offered they're very affordable, especially in the
(08:34):
public parks. Give it a try.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I absolutely endorse that suggestion. Dennis. Thank you now, just briefly,
because I've got one eye on the clock and time
is marching away. The new book breaks down by country,
by region, by park, the different options that are available,
and it gives really great advice on For example, if
you're heading to Kenya in such and such a park,
you have these walking options. If you're in Kruger, this
(08:58):
is where you find the backpacking packing, the easier trails,
et cetera. So we won't dive into any specifics of
individual trails except perhaps just say to you, can you
give our listeners a sense of the scope of the book.
How much of Africa do you cover? How many parks
are represented? Just tell us a little bit about which
areas are represented in this book.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Oh, I've forgotten how many parks there in it. But
there's nine countries and so covered all of the countries
of Southern and East Africa. Big chapter for South Africa
obviously because it's got the most walks of all, but
it covers Namibia for example. It's very popular with South
African visitors. There's some wonderful walks. There less wild life,
so more about the walking. But I can highly recommend
(09:40):
Etindeca Walking Trails for example. And there's a new trails
camp there called on Guma Trails Camp which has opened
just this year, so it's got the full spread. And
one thing I did which I really missed out in
the first book was I included lots of the smaller
safari operators that are run by trails guides, and this
(10:01):
was a gap in the first book. So there's lots
of trails guides. Sometimes it's just a one or two
person operation that are running these walks, particularly in South
Africa and Zimbabwe in Kenya, and I really recommend these
These organizations are the best way to organize a trip
because they know everything about where to go, times to go,
(10:23):
getting the best places to stay. So I think that's
one of the valuable things in the book. And I
just like to mention the other aspect to it, which
I did also, to be narratives that the book isn't
just a reference guide and to help you find walks
and prepare for them and when to go and all
that sort of stuff. But there's about a dozen narratives
throughout which really give you a feel for what it's
(10:44):
like in the particular place to be on foot, and
so walks that I've undertaken such a couple of guest ones,
which really should inspire you and make you know the
sense what it's really like to be on foot in
these beautiful wilderness areas.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Of course, you're not strictly speaking on foot, you're on
foot in a shoe. And the one thing I wanted
to touch on among the many great practical tips in
this book, including what to pack, what not to pack,
how not to overpack, of being another issue, but footwear.
If you are going to be doing this kind of
adventure regularly and you fall in love with the experience
of walking in the bush, it's worth investing in some
(11:21):
decent footwear. What do you recommend are some of the
sort of features that what one should look for.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah, you know, the most important thing is some good souls,
because some of these trails would be thorny and you
don't want to thorn coming through your footwear. So but
most trail shoes would do the job. You know. Some lightwear,
lightweight hiking boots are good if you're going to be
doing longer and more intensive walks, and definitely for backpacking
trails you need boots, but you know, your normal trail
shoes are fine. And I always laugh when I see
(11:48):
what some trails guides wear. You know, I'm saying the
book you must wear this special footwear a couple of
weeks ago, as in Tafuri and the guy that's wearing
sandals which you don't want to open toes. But here's
the guys wearing it because they're comfortable in it, and
that's what they like to wear. A lot of people
like to wear their values, the belskins, which you know
(12:09):
would be the traditional footwear, the clouds in the bush.
But you know, make sure you get the good quality
ones with good souls and not the fashion statements. But
where what's comfortable is the most important thing.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
It's more important to feel comfortable and have the protection
that it is to look stylish. I take your point out. Dennis.
It's been a real joy to have you on the
show again. I'm sorry it was a bit of a
stop start conversation there, but so love you'd be able
to catch up with you and to tell listeners about
the new book, Walking Safaris of Africa, guided walks from
the Cape to Kenya. Is it widely available in all
(12:41):
good bookstores already?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Dennis, It certainly is. It's published in the UK, but
it's in all South African bookshops. Online, you'll find it
in usual places, and if your bookshop doesn't have it,
they can get it in quickly.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Dennis, Costella and lovely to chat to you again, and
our best wishes for your future walks and the success
of this book, which is called Walking Safaris of Africa.
If you prefer not to fly, perhaps today's segment is
just for you. You might have to fly to get
to some of the destinations, but once you're there, feet
firmly on the ground, please, because today we are doing
some armchair wondering of the world with Dennis Costello, who
is a qualified trail guide for the really extensive list
of solo tricks under his belt, everything from the ice
caps of Greenland to the jungles of Papua New Guinea.
(00:22):
And if it can be navigated on foot, chances are
Dennis has done it, especially so if it is a
trail somewhere here in Africa and particularly in South Africa.
Now he's written about them for years on his website
Walking Safaris dot Africa, but he's now released a book
to help you follow in his footsteps if you like.
It's called Walking Safaris of Africa From the Cape to
(00:44):
Kenya and it's published by Pelagic Publishing. Our thanks to
the team at Blue Weaver Marketing for connecting us with Dennis,
who is joining me on the phone this afternoon. Dennis,
great to have you with us on the show. Welcome
to Cape Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Hi, Hi Favor, Thank you for having me on good afternoon.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
It's a great pleasure to have you with us. Dennis.
What drew you into this field of trail guiding was?
Was it something you were exposed to in early childhood
or something you discovered for yourself in adulthood, Ah.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Much later. But before I even answered that question, I'm
going to remind you we spoke when my first book
came out twenty twenty one, and a nice story associated
with that, and I got contacted when the new book
came out by somebody in Cape Town who heard that
interview and didn't know you could even do these type
of walks in National Park in South Africa, got intrigued.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
And at the crucial point, the phone line drops. Oh dear,
oh dear, our apologies for that. We were try and
get Dennis back again to complete the story. I'm sitting
here with bated breath waiting to hear what role my
first interview with him played in this story. Apologies, We
are trying to connect on a different line with our
guests to continue the conversation about walking safaris of Africa.
(01:59):
Dennis cost is his name, and this is a guide
to guided walks from the Cape to Kenya. And maybe
while we just keep on trying to get hold of him.
Let me give you a bit of background to this
book and its purpose. So Dennis defines a walking safari
as a guided walk in a conservation area where there
is the possibility of encountering game of some kind. Whether
(02:21):
that's an elephant or a bookie around the corner might
be up to you, but is it for the purposes
of today's conversation. That is his concept of a walking
safari is it's on foot in a conservation area with
the possibility of an animal encounter, and it is led
by a trained guide. Right. I hope it's third time.
(02:42):
Lucky Dennis. We've got you back on the phone line
and you had us all Montinta hooks there. You're about
to tell us what happened after that last interview.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, it's a nice story. He heard our interview, went investigators,
did his guide training and it's now a trails guide.
And that came out of being inspired by that of you.
So sometimes I'm sure you do things and do interviews
you don't know what comes of them. But that's a
great example of you changed somebody's life there with that
interview four years ago.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
We've all got goosebumps. Dennis, thank you so much for
sharing with that. I've never heard that story before, so
that's absolutely remarkable. And if that listener happens to be
listening right now, please reach out to us by emails
that we can carry on this conversation in more detail.
But Denis back to the new book. While we were
struggling to reconnect with you there, I just explained to
the listeners that your your definition of a walking safari
(03:32):
for the purposes of this book is a guided walk
in a conservation area with the possibility of encountering wildlife
in that cond of text. Dennis, what is it about
the experience of exploring regions on foot that you find
so special that has drawn you into this with such depth.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Well, the key word there is the guided, because all
these walks, when you're in the hands of a professional
guide just brings a new dimension to us. No matter
how much you know I think you know about wildlife
and birds and trees, and the professional guides around Africa
have another level and they really open up areas you
just would never have thought about. They're going to talk
(04:12):
about geology and insect life and termite mounds and tracks.
Tracking is a really interesting part of it, So just
add a whole new dimension. And to be honest, once
you've done a couple of walks, you'll find going in
a vehicle a bit constraining, a bit boring and eal.
You know, safar as are wonderful. You do see a lot,
but it just opens up so many doors to you,
(04:34):
the full range of biodiversity, and you know Africa has
such a range, and South Africa has such a range.
It's a shame not to take at least one walk.
And when you're in these areas and you know they're
open for everybody. I've just come back from a trip
in the Kruger area where we did some backpacking trails.
Now these are harder, not for everybody, but we also
(04:56):
did other trails up in Pafouri, for example, which are
really accessible to everybody. You're ambling about for maybe four
or five kilometers over two to three hours, and so
people shouldn't feel that it's all about walking. It's far
more about the talking and the stops and just being
in nature and just absorbing that wonderful feeling of being
(05:17):
out in the wild.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
It's such a completely immersive kind of experience as well.
Dennis I find. You know, when you're on foot in
the bush, you hear sounds that you miss when you're
in a vehicle. You catch the little creatures on the ground.
As you've referenced, it's about the other things you stop
to look at because the guide points them out to you.
But it's also just the things you notice because you
are moving that much more slowly. You're not sort of
(05:39):
whipping your head around too late to catch a bird
that you missed on the previous tree. You can stop
and be quiet and look at it. So it's a
very different way of completely immersing yourself in the bush.
Now let's talk about it, Yeah, go ahead, yeah, Dennis.
Let's talk about the way you've structured this book and
what your intention is. As you've already said, it's not
(06:01):
just about the really serious, hardcore multi day trails, although
some of those are reflected in this book. There are
equally many more shorter accessible walks, and you also point
out the many different ways of having a walking safari experience.
It doesn't have to be too onerous, it doesn't have
to require peak level fitness. Do you want to talk
to us a little bit about some of the in
(06:21):
betweens and the different kinds of walking safaris that are
out there to be experienced.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, and the nightly nor South Africa's got the full range.
Other parts of Africa tend to be kind of more
expensive lodge based walking, and there's some great mobile walking
up in Zambia and Kenya, but South Africa has the
full range. So if you see yourself as a walker,
you can go and stay in a trails camp a
few nights and you know, Sand Park's one wonderful wilderness
(06:46):
trails camp. Lots of private ones, but if you just
want to taste of it, there's lots and lots of
camps and lodges in parks throughout South Africa where you
can just swap in a walk one morning instead of
going out on the game drive vehicle. You say, rather
a walk, and it's a good taster and a good
way to, you know, just to get that different experience.
(07:07):
So when you know backpacking type ones are are demanding,
but they're they're actually quite a small part of that.
And you know where you go and sleep out under
the stars, it's it's a really special experience and if
people are up for it and you have the gear
and the energy, there's nothing like sleeping out under the stars,
(07:27):
you know, taking terms to watch for wildlife at night.
It's an experience you share with, you know, the earliest humanity.
You can imagine people doing this two hundred thousand, three
hundred thousand years ago, hearing the same sounds of the animals,
the hyenas and the lions. But walking in general lets
you share that experience. When you're sitting up on a
copy looking at the view, you're doing something that humans
(07:50):
did long, long ago, and the trails guides are keeping
alive those skills that allow us to do that, that
you know, allow us to stay safe when we're walking
in these areas and be aware of what's around and
do the tracking. So I think that's a special aspect
that people don't realize until they actually do it. It's
not just about a learning experience, a classroom experience. It's
(08:12):
about doing something that humans have always done, and it's
very rare to be able to do that, to experience
something like that. So I really encourage people to even
if you don't see yourself as a walker, you know,
next time you're in one of the wonderful national parks,
if walks are offered they're very affordable, especially in the
(08:34):
public parks. Give it a try.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I absolutely endorse that suggestion. Dennis. Thank you now, just briefly,
because I've got one eye on the clock and time
is marching away. The new book breaks down by country,
by region, by park, the different options that are available,
and it gives really great advice on For example, if
you're heading to Kenya in such and such a park,
you have these walking options. If you're in Kruger, this
(08:58):
is where you find the backpacking packing, the easier trails,
et cetera. So we won't dive into any specifics of
individual trails except perhaps just say to you, can you
give our listeners a sense of the scope of the book.
How much of Africa do you cover? How many parks
are represented? Just tell us a little bit about which
areas are represented in this book.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Oh, I've forgotten how many parks there in it. But
there's nine countries and so covered all of the countries
of Southern and East Africa. Big chapter for South Africa
obviously because it's got the most walks of all, but
it covers Namibia for example. It's very popular with South
African visitors. There's some wonderful walks. There less wild life,
so more about the walking. But I can highly recommend
(09:40):
Etindeca Walking Trails for example. And there's a new trails
camp there called on Guma Trails Camp which has opened
just this year, so it's got the full spread. And
one thing I did which I really missed out in
the first book was I included lots of the smaller
safari operators that are run by trails guides, and this
(10:01):
was a gap in the first book. So there's lots
of trails guides. Sometimes it's just a one or two
person operation that are running these walks, particularly in South
Africa and Zimbabwe in Kenya, and I really recommend these
These organizations are the best way to organize a trip
because they know everything about where to go, times to go,
(10:23):
getting the best places to stay. So I think that's
one of the valuable things in the book. And I
just like to mention the other aspect to it, which
I did also, to be narratives that the book isn't
just a reference guide and to help you find walks
and prepare for them and when to go and all
that sort of stuff. But there's about a dozen narratives
throughout which really give you a feel for what it's
(10:44):
like in the particular place to be on foot, and
so walks that I've undertaken such a couple of guest ones,
which really should inspire you and make you know the
sense what it's really like to be on foot in
these beautiful wilderness areas.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Of course, you're not strictly speaking on foot, you're on
foot in a shoe. And the one thing I wanted
to touch on among the many great practical tips in
this book, including what to pack, what not to pack,
how not to overpack, of being another issue, but footwear.
If you are going to be doing this kind of
adventure regularly and you fall in love with the experience
of walking in the bush, it's worth investing in some
(11:21):
decent footwear. What do you recommend are some of the
sort of features that what one should look for.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah, you know, the most important thing is some good souls,
because some of these trails would be thorny and you
don't want to thorn coming through your footwear. So but
most trail shoes would do the job. You know. Some lightwear,
lightweight hiking boots are good if you're going to be
doing longer and more intensive walks, and definitely for backpacking
trails you need boots, but you know, your normal trail
shoes are fine. And I always laugh when I see
(11:48):
what some trails guides wear. You know, I'm saying the
book you must wear this special footwear a couple of
weeks ago, as in Tafuri and the guy that's wearing
sandals which you don't want to open toes. But here's
the guys wearing it because they're comfortable in it, and
that's what they like to wear. A lot of people
like to wear their values, the belskins, which you know
(12:09):
would be the traditional footwear, the clouds in the bush.
But you know, make sure you get the good quality
ones with good souls and not the fashion statements. But
where what's comfortable is the most important thing.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
It's more important to feel comfortable and have the protection
that it is to look stylish. I take your point out. Dennis.
It's been a real joy to have you on the
show again. I'm sorry it was a bit of a
stop start conversation there, but so love you'd be able
to catch up with you and to tell listeners about
the new book, Walking Safaris of Africa, guided walks from
the Cape to Kenya. Is it widely available in all
(12:41):
good bookstores already?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Dennis, It certainly is. It's published in the UK, but
it's in all South African bookshops. Online, you'll find it
in usual places, and if your bookshop doesn't have it,
they can get it in quickly.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Dennis, Costella and lovely to chat to you again, and
our best wishes for your future walks and the success
of this book, which is called Walking Safaris of Africa.
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