Episode #74 Spooky Season Spectacular 3: Season of the Watch

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Welcome to a very special edition of the Watcha Been Watchin podcast.
I am your host, The Morbid, Mike Dudley, joined as always by my co-host, cohort, and monster

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masher. And this is your other host, Vincent Price. Hello. Now, this is, you know who this
is. This is MD3 checking in on the YOU. What is going on out there amongst the graveyard
people? That's right. As you can see, this is a very, very special episode of the Watcha

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Been Watching podcast. It must be the season of the watch. Anyways, man, I hope everything
is going well out there as you gear up for your Halloween celebrations. I'm sure some
of y'all started very early. I know I did. Yes, oh, I got candy corns right now just

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to throw at pigeons tomorrow. What's going on with you, though, man?
Doing good, man. Doing good. Started job number three, so just trying to keep the money train
a rolling, you know. I get it, man. When you work that much, you can't have time to spend
that much. Yeah. Although now with the internet, you can spend it real quick. Well, it's the

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main problem is I feel like a man serving three masters, and it's just kind of hard
to keep all that in balance and also try to keep the girlfriend happy and also try to
help take care of the kids and also, you know, have some time for me so I don't go completely
bat house. Yeah, I mean, good luck threading that needle.
I don't mean that mean. No, no, it is a delicate balance.

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It's there's only 24 hours in a day. And it's like by the time just not good at by the end
of the day after I do all the things I do. That's when I have time to like work out or
do the things right, you know, you always make these plans at the beginning of the year.
I'd like to learn how to play piano. By the time I'm done with the day, though, I'm like,
I want to take a shower and do scroll on my phone for an hour before I try to fall asleep

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with the TV running simultaneously. Yeah, exactly. Be honest.
The problem with me is I mean, and I guess it's kind of an ADD thing is I'll have spurts
of interest where like, I mean, I was on Duolingo, learning Spanish for like three months straight,
and then missed a day, then missed another day here and another day there and like eventually
just stopped doing it. And I it wouldn't be anything. I mean, I literally had the app on

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my phone. So it wouldn't be anything to just pick it back up again. But then I just think
about like, man, it's going to take up at least 45 minutes of my time and like 15 minutes
a day. It's supposed to be. But you know me, I get locked into something.
Yeah. So I mean, like I said, they always say that the time is going to pass anyway.
What are you going to spend it doing? But I feel you on the sense of not having a balance.

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I won't reveal the secret quite yet. But you know, I'm in the process of trying to thread
a pretty tough needle myself. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Relationships are wonderful, man, especially
when you find the right one. But man, that they always everything comes at a cost in
this life. So it is. Yeah. But it is. Like I said, I'm still grateful for the opportunity

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to do what I got to do in order to maintain certain things. So we'll talk about that
another day. Everything else good, though, man, just working to the bone. I mean, not
to the bone, but it, you know, just still some meat on the bones. There's a little
gristle on the end. Anyways, I don't know how I was funny to make some gristle. But

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yeah, yeah, doing good. Like I said, just gearing up for Halloween season, we've been
putting up all the decorations and went and bought Liz a boo basket the other day. What
is a boo basket? A boo basket is supposed to be, I guess it's like a TikTok or Instagram
thing where like you just give your girl like a basket full of like just chotchkies and
knickknacks and just little things that you think that she would like, you know, like

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a scented candle, a pair of socks, get certificate to her favorite fast food place, whatever,
what have you. So for Halloween, for whatever, for whatever reason, but I mine was Halloween
theme because she requested it around Halloween. She was like, you know what you should do
for me, which means guess what you're going to get?
I'm going to do.
So I made her a boo basket and got some like Halloween fuzzy socks and like a really cool

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like fleece blanket. I found this really awesome like pumpkin and cinnamon sugar swirl candle
that smells awesome. Nice.
Yeah. So boo baskets, little, little like went to dollar store and got some like skull like
tassel garland, you know, the tin foily looking party decorations stuff, put that all around

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the basket to decorate it nice.
Nice. Look at you. Arts and crafts.
Can I get help at all? Or was it solo?
No, this is solo.
Dolo, bro.
Destroy it. They're not getting credit for my work. Fuck that.
They're already I'm already Santa Claus. You know what I mean?
Hey, this one from Santa Claus. I'm like, no, that's from Mike Dudley's paycheck is

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what that one's from.
That is.
We'll give that fat man no credit. He doesn't he don't deserve.
Yeah. Until he comes in here and pays some house.
Both deals. That's right. Eating up all my milk and cookies.
Let's me sleep with them.
That's right.
Ass grass grass.
I'm getting I'm giving me some milk and cookies.
Them downstairs.

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That's the tangential stuff. We want to give a big shout out to cats for our lovely intro
theme. Always bright.
Always, always.
We are also want to give a big shout out to Mr. A1. You can find him at a1reality.music.
Thank you for all the lovely beats that you send us. We genuinely appreciate it.

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And that the Halloween one that he sent us for the interlude music is a banger.
Yeah, absolutely, man.
You know what he also did for the interlude music that I've noticed?
What do you do?
Me and him. This is a little inside baseball for y'all. We're going to roll with me on
this story.
Sure.
I can call him A1 or one to you. It is Mr. A1.

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Okay.
Yeah, A1 and I live together briefly and we had a long talk about drum sounds on the beat
machine on the computer that he was using using a program. And I was saying that they
can never get the hi hat right. Anybody that knows I am a dabble in percussion instruments
just a little bit.
And I had this big drunken spiel about how in synthesized beats, you can never get the

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hi hat open and close right because you got to fucking come funk you with it like the
boom shit.
Like, you know what I mean? You can't really get that hit it loud.
Let it ring and close it real hard as you're coming down with the stick.
It's a skill set. It's like it's more of an artistry than a science.
Yeah, it's a boom, boom, set.
And you can never get that right, but it really plays well into a lot of beats. And so if

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you listen to the interlude music, he crushes it.
And I feel like every time that plays, it's just for me.
Nice.
Every time you hear that, that's my man taking direction from somebody lesser than him, but
still incorporating into something better.
That's like Carol Burnett wiggling her ear at the end of every show, you know?
Yeah.
Just something for the kids.

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Yeah, for sure, for sure.
So anyway, so yeah, shout out to Mr. A1. You can find him at a1reality.music at gmail.com.
Send him an email. Who does our lovely colorful banner?
And we're gonna find it.
Oh, that would be middle brother MK Dudley Art, which you can find on Instagram.
So we do want to say that you can find us, ya boys, online at facebook.com slash Dudley

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Bros podcast or Instagram at whatcha been watching.
You can also write us in at whatcha been watching podcast at gmail.com or, you know, we out
there in them streets making them side hustles.
That's right.
I was promoting a shirtless car wash the other day.
Oh, were you shirtless?
Yes, I was.

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Never mind.
I was doing a Lee Press on Nails for pretty cheap, you know, I get them from this old
Turkish lady who gives me a discount.
It's pretty nice.
Just throwing the microwave to loosen up the glue and stick those bad boys on there.
You know how they do the shavings when they take the acrylics off?
Yeah.
It's just that.
Oh, nice.
Oh, man.

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Well, anything else?
Any other business?
I got a full slate today.
That takes care of it, bro.
Are we getting ready to roll right into this?
I think we are, my friend.
So as we kick off the temperature dropping already, I feel a spooky vibe.
The vibe in the air.
The moon is full and yellow outside.
Bats squeak and squawk about.
Yes.
Wolves howl.
Oh, yes, they do.

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And children collect candy for free from unsuspecting suckers.
Break yourself.
Yeah.
Teenagers debauch.
And as we all gather today to ask the age old question, my brother on this very spooky
edition of What You've Been Watching.
What You've Been Watching, my brother?
My brother, I just saw the latest Pixar outing and it is truly one of the scariest movies

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I've ever seen.
Oh, yeah.
Inside out too, bro.
Oh, my goodness.
I haven't seen the sequel.
I saw the first though, but what made it so scary to real?
They introduce a new emotion called anxiety.
Oh, yeah.
And at some point during the movie, I just remember looking over at Liz and being like,
I think I know who's in control now.

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Yeah.
And she goes, oh, you think I'm like, don't say it like that.
It makes me anxious.
It's fear and anxiety.
That's all it is, man.
I react.
I react all out of fear and anxiety.
I mean, yeah, it's one of the two.
Yeah.
It's just I don't know.
It's real fears discussed on a very spooky episode.
And they actually they actually say that that one of the lines is the emotions are sort

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of introducing themselves and anxiety says, you know, like, well, just like fear keeps
what's her name, not Harley.
Riley.
Riley.
Just like fear keeps Riley safe from the things she can see.
I keep Riley safe from the things she can't see.
And then of course, anxiety starts building these scenarios where like, you know, what

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if we don't pass through hockey camp?
What if we don't like us?
Basically, the impetus of the movie is Riley hits puberty.
And there's a big alarm that goes off inside her head and all the emotions are running
around and like, what do we do?
And then kick in the door and comes in these new emotions, you know, they bring an on we
who's just like the boredom of just like, whatever, the man.

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Yeah, the man of it all.
They bring in embarrassment.
It was just this silent dude who just like cinches up his hoodie around his eyes kind
of Kenny McCormick style.
Nice.
Nice.
Well played.
They have anxiety.
They have what was it?
Envy is a new one.
So green, I assume.
Of course.
Of course.
Right.
Right.

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Yeah, the old green on monster.
But of course, she's of course, she's the cutest and most petite of them all because she's
jealousy is always the most attractive.
It's true.
Yeah, you know, yeah.
But yeah, yeah, basically anxiety takes over in Riley's mind and starts formulating these
memories that are if you take certain memories and incorporate them into the growth of the

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person themselves, it becomes a core belief that she starts incorporating these very anxious
memories of like, what if I'm not good enough?
What if they don't like me?
What if I'm not a good person?
And so those all formulate and build a branch of Riley's core beliefs and then that starts
to take over the entire personality of Riley.
Oh, wow.
So insecurities and anxiety and I mean, it's real.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
So yeah, I remember the first one came out and it was I really enjoyed it.
I mean, they they tell a very relatable story with a lot of other, you know, fun things
to do around it, you know, the imaginary creatures and things of that nature.
But oh, RIP Bing Bong.
Yeah, no, Bing Bong.
Yeah.
He saved the day though.

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But yeah, it's I mean, it's disguised in a lot of fluff and marshmallow, but it's it's
very real story, you know, so and very, like I said, relatable all the way around because
who doesn't have those things?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I they don't tell it to the audience in a dumb down like kids version in terms like
sometimes we all have emotions and these emotions are all valid and it's OK to feel these like

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they they make it fun, they make it accessible, they make it like, oh, I see why each of these
emotions are important.
And that's sort of the ultimate lesson of the first one is that like, you can't always
have just the happy memories.
You have to take the sad with it because otherwise the joy doesn't work.
You have to have the the disgust and the fear and the rage and like all of that.

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And so this is sort of a continuation of that.
It's just sort of what happens when you let one particular emotion run everything rampant.
Yeah.
I was a little bit of the first one to I mean, she was moving from her home to go away from
Minnesota to San Francisco, San Francisco.
Yeah.
And at the very end when sadness and joy touch the same memory or whatever.

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And they see two different views.
Yeah.
And it's like you can kind of be bittersweet about some things and you can kind of oh,
there's a lot of good I like about that.
But I miss it too, but you know, it brings brings me joy in a weird way of remembering
it.
But I also get sad when I think about it, you know, it's a it's an interesting concept
as you play out.
So I what do you like the second one better than the first?
Um, they're just kind of more of the same in a good way though.

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A little bit like that, you know, all the visual puns are there, you know, they they
hijack a balloon and go through Matt Riley's subconscious and she has a brainstorm and
they get struck by lightning.
Riley throws a temper tantrum to one of her friends and starts making fun of them mocking
them.
And so in her mind, a sarcasm appears.

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It's pretty funny.
Yeah, exactly.
Chasm.
Sarge.
Yeah, exactly.
Chasm.
Yeah, that's funny.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's you know, on the nose, but I like it.
All the puns are very on the new like that they have the stream of consciousness, the
imagination land, all that good stuff.
But I would say I would agree earlier with your point that in those movies, at least
in the first one that it doesn't dumb it down for children.

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It it makes it accessible to children.
But I think it just it talks about your emotions in a pretty straightforward way, you know,
and just not like a dumb down version.
It's just like, Hey, we're just going to it's straightforward.
It's direct.
And I think that works sometimes.
So it's a good movie.
I mean, it made tons and tons and tons of money.
I mean, enough to make a sequel and heads up, they're probably going to make a third one.

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The sequel made a lot, a lot, a lot of money to that was the movie.
And deservedly.
So I think if you like the first one, you're probably going to enjoy the second one.
Like I said, it's it's more of the same, but that's not necessarily a bad thing because
the lot the first one had a lot going for it anyway.
So I mean, they're doing Toy Story five now.
So good Lord.
I mean, hey, who knows?

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I'm Andy's butt plug.
What kind of other toys are his electric nipple shockers?
Good Lord.
Anyway, we can keep going, but you get the arm and his flesh like the Kurgel.
Was that a bit much?

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It's funny.
It's funny.
It's kind of a visual cue as well.
This one.
Yeah.
Now you get the point though.
Yeah.
What point do you draw the line?
I don't know, I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm just going to take a look at the toys.
At least I think so.
I don't know.
Oh, no, they all got donated to the kindergarten or whatever.
Yeah.
That's right.

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Yeah.
I think iPads are going to be the big bad in Toy Story five, oh yeah, taking away kids
imaginations and whatnot.
Yeah, yeah, it's very real.
Anyway.
What would you rate inside out to?
Inside out, I'm going to give it.
just one. But it's a good one.
For you or for the character?
I mean, come see, come sa.

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Mama say mama sa on the mountain top.
Tish, you spoke French.
Oh, silliness today.
So we're going to talk about Adam's family for the eighth time
now.
Here we go, ready?
All right, so what has she been watching, my guy?
After that, my brother, I saw a movie called Terrified.

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Terrified?
Terrified, yes, sir.
What is this terrified movie?
And were you thusly terrified when you're watching?
I got to be honest, I wasn't quite so terrified
as I was creeped out.
It's a, I want to say, Venice Wayland or Colombian movie,
I think.

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I can't remember.
It's somewhere in Latin America.
But essentially, weird things start
happening around a block of houses.
Somebody's wife gets kind of possessed and murdered.
There's a kid that gets hit by a car and comes back to life,
but not really.
He's a corpse and he's not moving.
And yet, still, he's sitting at the dining room table somehow

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and nobody can explain it.
Lots of crazy, like I think I'm going nuts.
There's a man in the closet.
And then they look and there's nobody there.
And then he looks in the mirror and there's
somebody there kind of thing.
Weird demons coming out from underneath the bed
and just looming over people while they sleep.
And of course, it's a lot of it's like found footage stuff.
So they speed through the tape and the creature stand.

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They're watching for like six hours on a time loop.
You just speed through that in the beginning.
Yeah.
So yeah, it definitely sets up a creeper vibe,
but not terrifying.
No, it's unsettling at best is what I would say.
But I tend to like the more, not graphic violence,

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but I like a little bit more blood and viscera
in my horror movies.
And I don't think it nearly turned up the ambiance enough
to warrant like a silence of the lambs or a creeper
or something like that.
It's just like, oh, this whole scene
makes my skin crawl kind of thing.
Yeah, I get it.

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But it's very well put together.
I wish I could remember who was in it.
Unfortunately, it's all people I wouldn't recognize.
It was Diego Luna.
I would recognize Diego Luna.
I'm pretty sure.
It was the other guy in Blow.
That's right.
It was Don Cornelius, Pac-Man.
I think I saw Snuggle Puss in there.

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Directed by Captain Crunch.
But he's French, so it was Cap-On.
Anyways, all right, Plowman.
No, but terrified.
Terrified.
Yeah, it's, I don't know.
I don't really know what to say about it.
It's, like I said, there is a premise of it.
It's just weird stuff happens in a neighborhood.
Yeah.
And then they, yeah, this dude's wife ends up
getting brutally murdered.

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There's a scene where she's floating above the bathtub
and keeps smacking into the wall face first,
and there's blood everywhere.
And of course, he's trying to pull her down.
And, oh, my dear, please come down.
No, no, no, stop.
He ends up going crazy and going to the nut house.
They bring in this team of paranormal investigators
to sort of see what's going on.

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The day that they get there, this kid
gets hit by a bus and is buried.
And then three days later, his mom just comes in
and just finds him sitting at the dining room table with,
like, so she's like, what else could I do?
I pour them his favorite cereal and a glass of orange juice
and walked away.
And he's still sitting there.
And he kind of makes incremental movements.

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It's one of those where they'll go into another room
and discuss what happened.
And it'll come back.
And he's, like, grabbed the spoon.
Like, it's not moving, but he's, like, that kind of thing.
Or he spills his orange juice or something like that.
Yeah, so really, really unsettling.
I think it was kind of hindered by there

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wasn't a lot of musical score.
And so I wasn't sure if that was,
it's a bold, conscious effort on the part of the director.
If there is a musical score, it's
a lot of just singular tones and real subtle stuff.
Forgetting Sarah Marshall, dark, ominous tone.
No, there's definitely not a Dracula musical on this one.

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So yeah, I think just the lack of musical score really,
I think that they were going for trying
to just let the air of the scene sort of let the play out
for the audience and let the audience decide
what was happening kind of thing.
But I think it was kind of a misstep, quite frankly.

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Kind of like leave your guess in.
And then at the end, they tried to wrap it up with, oh,
here's what's going on.
And they're just not really.
Not even really.
Like, all that happens is one of the spoilers.
One of the main guys ends up going insane.
They send them back to the same insane asylum.
And then a new team of paranormal investigators
come to question them.
So I guess it's to imply that the cycle repeats itself
or whatever.

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Yeah.
I don't know, man.
Yeah, it seems a little bit like we're just going to,
you know, have good ideas for shots of cool scenes
and freaky stuff that would disturb us.
And we're just going to loosely tie it together.
I mean, there was some gore.
Like they have a shot of somebody.
He turns a corner.

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He finds one of his coworkers dad.
And they have glass shard shoved in their eyes.
But they show it for just the briefest of second.
You know, just not even enough for your brain
to really fully actualize what it saw.
It's only until later.
Of course, I have to go rewind it back three times.
Like, did I just see what I thought I saw?
And of course, yeah.
But yeah, there is blood and gore in it,
but it's not minimal.

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But it happens so quick that unless you're really
paying attention, you're not going to get the full scope of it.
OK.
OK.
Seems like a little bit of a mess, but we're good here.
We're good here, though.
Any stars in it, any names I've heard?
Like I said, nobody I could mention.
Nobody that I would recognize.
All right, cool.
Cool.
Was it a more recent movie?
As I'm saying, this is like a 1970 thing.

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Is it 2010s?
Give me an era.
I mean, just post 2000 would work.
Oh, yeah.
It's definitely post 2000, because people
have cell phones and stuff.
So it's definitely, I want to say, maybe somewhere
between 2012 and 2020.
Sounds good to me.
Yeah, sounds good to me.
Somebody like that.
Let's see.
I'm going to give that one hell of a recommendation
from Capp City Video Lounge.

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OK.
Well, there you go.
Not bad.
Which is always a good recommendation and a good
review of any cinema is when you get to mention Capp
City Video Lounge.
That's right.
For all your movie watching needs.
That's right.
That's right.
What else you been watching, my guy?
Let's see.
After that, I saw a movie called Terrifyr.
Oh, with whatever the clown?
Art the Clown, yeah.

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This, I got to admit, was a little bit more My Speed,
which was also another great recommendation
by Capp City Video Lounge.
Shout out to you, Kevin Cole.
I think we've talked about this before potentially,
but if not, Fire Away.
Yeah, I don't think.
Or even if we did, Fire Away.
Yeah, it is a great Splatterhouse movie.
I mean, if you just want campy gore and violence,

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I mean, this is the movie for you.
It's definitely in the same stead of the early Friday
the 13th movies or the early even a little bit.
Texas Chainsaw Massacre, I think this one's a little bit
faster paced than that.
But you know what I'm saying in terms of just raw violence
and gore and special effects and stuff like that.

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So pretty good, actually.
Basically good because of the gore.
And it gave like, are you in like the,
I know some people, obviously, it's
what you're into it for sometimes.
If you go see a Friday the 13th movie,
you're like, how are the kills?
You know what I mean?
And do I see boobs?
Right.
Is it one of those things like how are the kills kind of thing?
A little bit.

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But a lot of it was, it had been so hyped up
by other movie aficionados that I know that were like,
oh, you've got to see Terrifier.
It's absolutely like, it's terrific.
And it's horrible in the best way.
And it's terrifying.
And it's scary and creepy.
And I was like, OK, this many people give me recommendation.

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I at least ought to check it out and see for myself.
I got to say a little bit overhyped.
Like there wasn't anything that was, well, I can't say that.
I was going to say there's not anything that I haven't seen
before.
But there was one scene where they saw a woman in half
long way upside down with a hacksaw.
And that's pretty vile.

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So I hadn't seen that yet.
But again, separating the gore and the violence on screen
from the technical aspects of what it took
to make that special effect, it was really, really well done.
Yeah.
I mean, a lot of practical effects, you think?
Oh, yeah, for sure.
There's very, very little CGI areas.
Very little digital blood.

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Yeah, I think at most they might have accentuated the gun flash
when there's a little bit of gunplay.
And I think they might have added some gun flash just
to sort of judge it up a little bit.
But for the most part, it's all very good practical effects.
OK.
Yeah, people getting meat cleavers to the face.
And some dude gets shot in the kneecap.

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And they show the kneecap bent in backwards and stuff like that.
She, lady, gets hit by a car and it's pretty.
See, there's a path to a movie like that
that I could appreciate.
It just depends on, it's a fine line, though.
There's a fine line of being like, all right,
this is just vile to be vile.
Which is fine.
There's an audience for that.
I agree.
But and it's also, I don't mind vile if it's like super campy

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and like, but this doesn't seem to be that.
This seems to just be like almost like,
for lack of a better term, there's a term for it in radio,
like shock jockey.
Sure.
Oh, it is.
It is meant to shock and appalled.
Sure.
But even then, I wouldn't put this as bad as I would like,
hostile or something like that.
You know, where it's just, or even some of the Saw movies

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where it's just like.
Saw one off the rails pretty quick.
It's just how gruesome and violent can we make this,
as opposed to there actually is a plot in this one.
Like, like hostile is just sort of violence for violent sake.
Yeah.
Does that make sense?
And in a weird way, it's like just torture porn.
Yeah.
That's pretty much.
So I mean, Saw is too like, oh, we got this game that's

(27:06):
going to rip this dude's jawbone out.
I sinked it.
Right.
Right.
OK.
Right.
Right.
Cool.
Right.
The first, I'll say this though, just while I know we're
talking about the Terrifier, but we brought up Saw,
I still really love the first movie.
I do too.
I appreciate it as like, they shot it in 18 days.
Sure.
In a warehouse for like five grand or whatever that means.
It was a ham sandwich and a handshake.

(27:29):
Yeah.
Anyways, but back to the Terrifier.
I will say, speaking just of the first Saw,
it does get a little bit talking heady where it's just like,
now I say my line and then the other guy says his line.
And then I say my line and next dude says his line.
It gets a little formulaic, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
I mean, it's not the best in terms of acting.
I just I like the script.

(27:49):
I like the twist.
I like Carrie Ellways was amazing.
I was like, oh, be back.
Who are you?
He's turning blue with his shitty makeup.
I just love they're like, you think
that's enough Vaseline under his eyes?
And the director's like, nah, more.
No, keep going.
How much you got left in that jar there?
Yeah, put it on.
I'll add to that up.
Anyway, so the Terrifier, do you want to review it?

(28:11):
Or do you want to keep talking about it?
Because I haven't seen it.
Again, it's one of those I probably won't see just
because it just doesn't I know my likes and dislikes.
I've mentioned them on the show before.
It just doesn't seem like it's a me kind of movie.
It is a little bit formulaic.
The basic premise is murder clown picks out
one random college student and follows her around

(28:31):
on Halloween night and tries to murder her in various descriptive
violent ways.
And her friends get in the way.
And her friends and the janitor and all that stuff.
Yeah, so I will say a lot of it.
There's a part of it that doesn't make sense in terms of she's
in New York City.
And yet for some reason, they keep finding reasons
to keep her confined to this one warehouse.

(28:52):
And I'm like, as soon as you're outside,
just run down the block.
And then as soon as she gets outside,
there's nobody on the streets.
And I'm just led to believe that, OK, on Halloween night
in New York City, it's just late enough to where there's
nobody on the streets.
All the trick-or-treaters went home, all the reverie makers,
not even a bum, not a cop, not a cop,

(29:17):
businessmen coming back from this walk of shit, nobody, nothing.
Yeah, not New York.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm sure there's areas of New York
that are more industrial and things like that that probably
don't have that kind of traffic.
But I mean, dude, you just run almost in any direction.
You'll run into somebody.
Somebody, right, exactly.
So it wears a little thin on that premise in terms of, OK,

(29:40):
so you're telling me in New York City,
there's nobody around in a four-block radius.
OK, cool.
Is he mad because she got her pecante sauce from New York City?
No, he just seems to be your run-of-the-mill,
statistic clown.
It works.
It plays.
It plays.
I mean, hey, look, the movie has a following.
I may end up seeing it, but I'll give it one of those, like, all

(30:01):
right, I see the direction of this.
But I may.
We'll see.
But what do you review it?
I'm going to give it one postmodern art station
with shit smeared on the walls.
The old fecal art.
I love that you said it like that's a thing.

(30:23):
It is.
I'm sure some new wave artist is like,
in the scat shall be strewn about the walls of my canvas.
They call me poop castle.
Yeah.
Salvador Dukie.
Someone's not even as good.
It's just stupid.
I like Salvador Dukie.
That's good.

(30:43):
That's D&D character.
Salvador Dukie.
Big, long shit, Stain Mustache.
All right, moving on.
Moving on.
All right.
How'd you been watching, my guy?
Let's see.
After that, after that, we had a shitty movie night.
Oh, what I missed out on because I'm super lame.
That's all right.
It's all right.
You denied the lameness, though, which I appreciate.

(31:05):
I mean, I'll never deny that you're lame.
I appreciate that.
I bail on shit quick.
I mean, but in terms of like lameness, you're pretty cool.
Yeah.
It's all good.
And I was watching football.
Doing chill worse than you were alone,
because that was not a football crowd.
I can tell you that much.
Yeah, I had shitty movie night and got together
with the MKD and his lady, got together with Glenn,

(31:27):
and we all watched Puppet Master from, I want to say,
1986, maybe 87.
In that area?
Yeah, something like that.
Super B-roll stuff, C-movie stuff.
Yeah, yeah.
The basic plot line is, again, a bunch of psychics
come to bury their former colleague, who they never really

(31:50):
liked because he was kind of a shipheel and screwed him
out of a bunch of money and opportunities over the years,
come to find out that he's there in order
to find the secret of eternal life from this,
I want to say, Nazi puppet maker,
but they don't really address it.
But the guys who come to get him definitely look Gestapo.

(32:12):
I don't know.
It's implied.
Yeah, yeah.
And I think actually later in the series,
they delve into his history.
And we find out that he was like a Nazi who
was obsessed with the occult.
And yeah.
But all of those blur together.
Anyway, so they go to investigate his death and or resurrection,
and they get periodically attacked by stop motion puppets.

(32:36):
Really?
Yeah, like horrifying, like dark images of puppetry,
like one's a marionette that has a knife for a hand
and a hook for another hand.
Another one has big body, big muscles,
and a little tiny head. And another one has like a drill
top on his poking out of his skull.
And another one is like this, I guess, like femme fatale

(32:58):
who spits up leeches that suck the blood out of your body.
Yeah, it gets pretty complicated.
You know what?
It sounds like a trying to come up
with like Mega Man robot masters.
So we're like, oh, there's one that does this.
Like, I like it.
You got a colorful cast of puppets to run through.
I will say the puppets almost don't matter plot wise.

(33:18):
I mean, they dispatch about the master as well.
The puppet master.
Well, but he well, but the puppet master's
quote unquote is killed in the opening credits.
So so it is about his puppets.
Yeah.
But then even then, like the group of paranormal investigators
that come to look at this place and bury their friend,

(33:41):
the friend ends up coming back and being like, ha, ha,
I was never really dead the entire time.
And you all fell for my trap.
And so like trap and pellet psychics.
Like you got your psychic certificate off the back
of the cereal box like I did to.
That's what I said battle for it now.
I was like, all these psychics and nobody saw this coming.

(34:02):
I'm not dead.
Carmen now about your puppet mastery.
The future is Clio.
Oh, my goodness.
Oh, my goodness.
Going to plow ahead.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Like I said, the puppets are almost inconsequential.
Like they do most of the killing,
but the killing happens off screen.

(34:22):
Like they'll show one of the puppets grabbing at somebody's
ankle and then they'll do a shot of like the big whoa getting
pulled down.
And then it's just they'll smash cut to now he's bloody.
And there's no like real there's no viscera to it.
It just looks like somebody poured fake blood and corn
syrup all over the guy.
Gratifying blood and ketchup.

(34:43):
You're like, use the red wine vinegar.
That's right.
And it's lots of like POV shots.
Like it's it's the you see the puppets,
but it's from their perspective as they're like scampering
across the floor.
And then every once in a while, you'll see them like hop up
over a couch, but it's just it less than the second of a stop
motion, you know, claymation creature just going,

(35:03):
whoop, whoop, whoop.
I want to have a monopoly on because they do that.
We talked about the movie Jack Frost 2.
Sure.
Where you see from the point of view of Jack Frost for largely
like large amounts of that.
Sure.
Or anytime there's like a little critter or anything
like that running around, they always do like the.
Like a little.
Yeah, I want to goolies or critters.
Yeah, I want to monopolize that voice.

(35:24):
Just me be the guy to do that because I bet you'd be amazed
how much work you could probably find.
Like, oh, we need a and you scurry off, you know,
and then we're going to do that eight more times.
Different.
Yeah, like whoever does that, it's good on you.
It's good voice work.
I'm pretty sure it's Bill Hader.
There's probably.
Yeah, Bill Hader can do whatever he wants.
So yeah.

(35:45):
So all right.
So they don't show a lot of the puppets,
even though they're the focal point of it.
Do they get a chance to show their cool personalities
and like, oh, the one with the drill top head.
No, no.
Yeah, that just came up with a design and then.
Yeah, yeah.
Like there's like you would think at some point
they would focus on each of the puppets and sort of like,
oh, this one really likes is, you know,
likes trapping people or this one's super strong or this one.

(36:07):
But like they're all just kind of generic puppets.
They like they all have an individual look.
But other than the dude with the blade hands, they don't.
Well, I guess the lady that spits up leeches.
But I was about to say you brought that up to just be like,
and then she strangles somebody.
No, no, no.
But but even then she's literally spitting up.
She spits up leeches on this dude who's tied to a bed
and he's blindfolded.
He was having sex with this girl and then she gets dispatched.

(36:31):
Again, off camera.
We don't even see it happen.
And he's like all blindfold and stuff.
And the puppet comes up and starts like sucking on his nipple
and licking him and stuff.
And, you know, he's, oh, I love that.
Oh, I love it when you're kinky.
And then she spits up this leech onto him.
And he's like, oh, I don't like that.
Let's not do that.
What's the safe word again?
And then she spits up another leech and another leech.
And I'm like, OK, even if this leech was four feet long,

(36:55):
how many of these does she have to actually spit up in order
to be like, ah, you've killed me?
And meanwhile, they actually show a scene where he's screaming,
no, I don't want to die.
No, stop it, stop it.
And one of his friends bangs in the wall like, hey,
keep it down in there.
And I'm like, you hear stop.
I don't want to die.
And you think, wow, they must be into some kinky shit.

(37:17):
Yeah.
Yeah.
One time in the 80s.
He did some stuff in the 80s.
He did not enjoy it.
Yeah.
So it's all the premise stretches really thin, really,
really early.
And it's one of those, it could have been so much more.
Like they have certain elements cooking in the crockpot.

(37:40):
And all they need to do is just bring out
that flavor just a little bit.
But it just ends up being this generic stew, where it's like,
yeah, I guess it's three bean soup, I guess.
Damn.
Well, yeah, they should have given the puppets more
personality and given them.
Not like, oh, this is not like, you
don't spend too much time on them because ultimately it's
about your protagonist or whatever.

(38:01):
But even then, even then, the puppets were superfluous.
The main bad guy was the evil psychic who was like, ha, ha,
I tricked you all.
I wasn't really dead.
And now I'm going to kill you all and somehow inherit
this house that I already own, I guess.
I don't know.
And I shall do it with mind bullets.
Yeah.

(38:22):
Now, I put up my shield so it's vulnerable.
You can't get through.
It's one of my favorite episodes of South Park
when Cartman does the mind battle with the psychic
detective.
It's so funny.
Anyways, anyways.
So yeah, Muppet Master.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm going to go ahead and rate that one four really wasted

(38:45):
puppet potential.
But there is puppet potential.
I'm going to remake it called the Muppet Master.
There we go.
Oh, man, watch it.
Never mind.
I'm going to just not say what I was thinking.
I'm just going to say it could.
I'm going to kill you now.
I was going to say it could be set on a plantation
and that would be pretty bad.
Oh, let's do it.

(39:05):
Marcus, patent pending.
Yeah, patent pending.
I am calling Jim Henson tonight.
We were putting that out in front of him.
The Muppet would be the one in charge.
Oh, yeah.
Maybe like the Leonardo DiCaprio character.
Oh, yeah, let's do this.
I like it.
So we just got.
So how are you assuming the race of the people
and shame on you?
It's just human.

(39:26):
It's like Planet of the Apes.
But Muppet's kind of.
Anyway, we'll put it off of this before we get in trouble.
It's a good idea, though, man.
Muppet master.
And there's a couple of directions you could go.
That was just the first one that came to mind.
Back off.
Instead of killing the Muppets, they're
just killing the actual puppeteers.
Yeah.
He's like burying underneath the plywood risers
and just stabbing them all.

(39:47):
Fosse bears like, ah, no.
Ah.
No walker.
No walker.
All right.
All right.
I'm going to put the flower on the head.
What else have you been watching?
I know you've been on a spook of marathon.
That's right.
After that, I saw.
You already rated Puppet Master yet.

(40:09):
Oh my god.
I got it.
After that, I saw the classic Jennifer's body.
I've never seen that.
Yeah.
Starring Megan Fox and Amanda Seyfried.
Seyfried.
Seyfried.
Seyfried.
I think so.
I don't know.
I just know she's Purdy.
Yeah.
Good actress.
So basically, again, plot summation
is Jennifer, the most popular girl in Podunktown High School,

(40:34):
is seduced to come hang out with a rock band from the big city
and is tragically murdered and sacrificed to Satan
so that they can sell their soul and become rich and famous.
And then she returns carrying the soul of a demon
and proceeds to drain teenage boys of their life essence
so she can live forever.
Yeah.

(40:55):
Starring Megan Fox.
Starring Megan Fox.
And I'm sure you're already picturing the poster
and the trailer and, you know, like.
Turn a pool.
And unzipping various articles of clothing
and looking seductively at the camera
and licking her lips a lot.
Yeah.
I mean, if you're going to do a movie like that,
do it with somebody like Megan Fox.
You know, it's like, for example, Queen of the Damned

(41:16):
is the flimsiest plot ever.
They're just like, can we get Aaliyah to be sexy and hit
a lot and say, stop.
Right.
Does it carry, like, I don't know, it'll carry about 40 minutes
if we break it up and have her walk slow.
That's right.
That's right.
There's going to be a couple of musical numbers.
We're going to get John Davidson on it.
You can get it for fairly cheap, which, by the way,

(41:36):
that soundtrack is amazing.
It's really good.
But yeah, but same premise.
It's like, you've got to get somebody like Aaliyah to do that.
Well, she can carry about 40 minutes of this movie.
Can we phone in a fake TV pilot script?
What if we put her in a metal bikini and a big headdress?
Like, OK, we can stretch it to 45.
Yeah.
How slow is she going to walk?
Really slow.
How many shots of that?

(41:58):
At least a dozen.
All right.
So that's 60 minutes.
Five minute walks of peace.
Let's go.
Let's do it.
Yeah, exactly.
You got a green light.
Yeah.
So it's, I don't know, it's definitely
one of those teenage sex cells slash horror teenage slasher
movies.
Like, it's not really guttural and visceral.
There's blood in it, but it's nothing really

(42:22):
to shock or horrify you.
It's all pretty tame.
Couple of special effects.
She opens her mouth wide and she gets barraka teeth
and the sharp pointed demon teeth looking thing.
The only real problem I have is they
cast Amanda Seyfried to be the dorky, homely best friend.

(42:44):
And I'm like, miss me with that because even when you put her
in no makeup and a beanie, she's still rockin' gorgeous.
So now I'm just supposed to present that,
or supposed to believe that the two hottest women I've ever
seen in my life are like, yeah, but she's the homely one.
Yeah, that's the, even if you don't think, which I do,

(43:05):
but even if you don't think Amanda Seyfried is pretty,
she certainly doesn't have the plain look.
You know what I mean?
Oh yeah.
It's like they cast, for example,
like in the movie The Witch when they cast, what's her name?
On Your Tailor Joy.
Yeah, they said that she almost didn't get the role
because she didn't look plain enough.
She didn't look homely enough, and she's like,
but you also have such a unique look.
Right, the big eyes, the anime face.

(43:26):
So I think probably the same thing with this.
Amanda Seyfried is certainly not plain by any means.
They try to put her, like there's a prom scene.
They put her in the big, like, fru-
Overalls.
No, no, no, the big fru-
Like, I made this dress myself for prom kind of thing.
And I'm like, OK, but you're still Amanda Seyfried.
And yeah, that's whatever.

(43:46):
Go for it.
Fun, kitschy little movie.
I think maybe if I had seen it originally when it first came
out, I think it came out in, God, I want to say, like 2000,
maybe 2001.
And it sounds about it.
2004, maybe.
Just after Transformers, pretty much, right around the first
one came out.
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think this might have been the second or third movie she
did after that.
Like she had a big blowout or breakout in Transformers,

(44:10):
and then swiftly pivoted into like, oh, I can just
do the sexy, like, it girl.
Yeah, pretty much.
But good on you.
I mean, if I could, I would.
I mean, people still know who she is.
So yeah.
But I guess I've never seen that movie.
I know somebody, nobody I've ever known.
It's been like, I love that movie.
They're like, it's Megan Fox just being seductive for a little

(44:31):
bit and killing boys.
Pretty much.
Pretty much, yeah.
And the gore's not that good and the whatever.
Like, whatever, cool.
Yeah, it's they don't really, they play around with the rules
a lot.
There's a lot of like, you discover things.
Just and then they just, they give an explanation like, oh,
yeah, I can do that now.
And it's like, OK, well, here to unun, you know,

(44:52):
ununpresented information.
So how was I supposed to see that coming?
Yeah, it's not a twist.
It's just you didn't tell me.
Right, right.
You held that crucial information and then been like,
surprise.
Yeah, that's a discovery.
That's not a twist.
If somebody's like, you know, if you go to in a movie,
if you're like, oh my god, this, this demon is unbeatable.
And then you go to some ancient library and find a tome that

(45:15):
can.
That's not a twist.
That's a discovery.
Right, right, right.
It's not like how was I supposed to see that coming?
Yeah, it's not what a twist.
Yeah, so it's good.
It's it's kitschy.
It's it's good, you know, PG 13 fun.
You know, I don't think there's any boobs in it.
I might be wrong.
I think not.
I think I know a lot of people were disappointed in that.

(45:37):
When they I'm sure the world is.
But I think there's one shot where she's she's swimming naked.
But even then, like, you don't you see her butt
outline underneath the water.
It's not it's not even anything.
The Peter Griffin side boo.
Now.
What would you rate it?
We said kitschy three times.
So we got a yeah, yeah, exactly.

(45:57):
Exactly.
Let's see.
I'm going to give it.
An hour and 40 boobless hours.
Not hours on our.
I got you.
I knew what you went the first time.
It felt like 140 hours.
It did.
Like when did she take her top off?
God damn it.
I either one of them.
Yeah.

(46:18):
No, I'm sure I meant like I'm sure people were pissed.
I'm sure teenage boys everywhere,
everywhere when that movie came out, you know,
which I wasn't probably too much older than a teenager,
but it was also not dumb enough to be like if it's PG 13,
she ain't getting that.
She didn't get that naked.
Yeah.
See, I'm sure, you know, middle school boys everywhere
were like, damn it.

(46:38):
Whatever.
What else have you been watching, my guy?
After that, I saw Lisa Frankenstein.
Oh, yes.
That's a newer movie, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I want to say it's on prime, maybe Netflix.
One of the two.
Either way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It came out pretty recently.
That's right.
Anyway, doggy style.
I know.
Who's in it, though?
I forget who the girl is, but the Frankenstein monster,

(47:00):
quote unquote, is played by Cole Sprouse, who you might remember
as the little kid from Big Daddy.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
He's a twin, though, right?
Yeah.
It's Cole and Dylan, I think, is the other one.
Sounds about right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Also, you might remember from the Nickelodeon documentary.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
He was one of those kids.

(47:21):
I don't know.
Oh, man.
Not nice.
No.
Yeah.
Yeah.
When he said not Nickelodeon documentary, I was like, oh,
yeah, I have seen it.
It was more what it was.
Right.
And I realized the subject of that heartbreaking
documentary, yeah.
So either way, again, fun, kitschy, high school.
I got to stop staying kitschy.
God damn it.

(47:41):
Yeah.
Take a shot every time I say the word kitschy.
Who played Gambit in X-Men Wolverine Origins?
Taylor Kitchie?
Yep.
When do you make your best pancakes in the kitschy?
Yeah, that was about to say.

(48:01):
Anyway, let's go ahead.
Oh, no, I thought you had another one.
I was my brain.
Yeah, I'm thinking about Karen Ichi, is her name.
Oh, OK.
I was trying to segue the way to make you say that.
But anyways, just go ahead.
We're done for now.
The kitschy and scratchy show.
There you go.
All right, we're done.
We've retired kitschy.
So anyway, it's a real kitschy movie.

(48:24):
Basically about a girl who in the, God,
I think this also takes place in the 80s, falls in love
with the concept of a dead boy and magically wishes him
to life and then has to harvest parts in order

(48:44):
to make him more human.
OK, I was going to say, when the magic came in,
I was a little out because I thought Frankenstein was
a scientist.
You're right.
She is a scientist in terms of she figures out piece by piece
how to, I guess in a weird way, it's like Frankenstein meets

(49:06):
Pinocchio.
Like, she's got to make the monster a real boy.
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
That makes sense.
But yeah, so she figures out that by feeding him a tongue,
now he can talk a little bit better.
By severing some kid's hand and sewing it on to his wrist,
now he can sort of feel and gets a sense of touch back.

(49:30):
And things like that, attaches a kid's ear.
Now he can hear, attaches a kid's eye.
Now he gets a singing ability.
I don't know, whatever.
The body part is not necessarily correlated.
It gets a little rough shot at the end.
Yeah, it sounds like it.
Yeah, it's just like, well, we need a heart
because you don't have a heart.
It's like, OK, well, all right.

(49:52):
But yeah, it's basically she wishes
upon a Halloween star that she could be with the boy
in the coffin.
And what she meant was, I wish I was dead.
But somehow the magical universe interprets it
as she wants to be with the boy.
So he comes back to life and wins her over

(50:12):
in various fish out of water scenarios.
So it's just like, how long has he been dead?
Is this like some old kid from?
From like 1830, 1840, something like that.
Oh, OK, OK, OK.
I thought she was like some recent kid that died.
It was like, he was so dreamy at the other high school
I didn't go to.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
Stalk his yearbook.
No, she literally falls in love with his bust.

(50:33):
That's on his gravestone.
She just thinks it's the most beautiful person she's ever
seen kind of thing.
Yeah, and then anyway, so she brings this boy back to life
and tries to incorporate him into the modern world
and then finds out that by feeding him body parts,
basically, she can make him more real and more viable,
more alive.

(50:53):
So she goes around dispatching of all the shitheads
and former crushes she's had in her high school
by luring them in and killing them and cutting up their body
parts, basically.
Classic Tuesday night in Wisconsin.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Yeah, I mean, there's a world where that's a fun movie.

(51:16):
It is.
I don't think it was made for me.
I think it was.
Like it's like a team, like a white.
Yeah, kind of kind of a white, whitey thing
or a young adult themed.
Yeah.
It's not even.
I think it in a weird way, it's made for young teenage girls.

(51:37):
But in a weird way, it's also made for like old lonely women.
And I hate to use that comparison,
but I really, really do think that it was made for like,
oh, the nostalgia of like, if I could just build the perfect
man and like sacrifice every bad relationship I've ever had
just to make this one dream come true kind of thing, you know.

(51:57):
Yeah.
I mean, thematically, that certainly plays.
And it's not bad to explore that theme.
You know, I don't mean that as like a misogynistic.
No, no, no, it's just made for like old lonely woman.
Like I really do.
I think it's I think it's for women who look back
nostalgically and go, yeah, was that relationship worth it?
And is it worth the sacrifice in order to get the thing that I
really want?

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Like I think that's kind of the underlying theme.
Grant, it's it's driven by teenage impetus and teenage impulse.
So it's kind of the contradiction there.
Or maybe not, I don't know.
I've never been a teenage girl or an old woman.
So yeah.
And but it was yet anyway.
Not in this life.
Well, she just like desperate.
I my guess is I can kind of kind of foresee some of this

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character's motivation in my mind.
I would guess she's a little bit aloof, a little bit outcast,
a little bit like if she hangs out at a graveyard,
she's a little bit to a.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, she she don't know what why is.
You know what it is.
Darkness on my soul.
Tua can be a lot of things.
It can be what we just described in terms of a Gothic thing or it
can be like, oh, I just bench pressed 140 pounds.

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Let me take this photo to Instagram.
Tua, like it's a it's a variable.
But you know what I mean?
So in this instance, I hang out in the graveyard,
I'm outcast.
Tua.
Oh, is that the only bottle you have in the club?
Tua.
Tua, right?
Yeah, this DJ is all right.
Tua.
Right.
Yeah, there's a couple instances.
It's not so anyways.

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So is she kind of like that, though?
Yeah, she's very much the the proto goth girl.
Like when the movie starts, she's not fully goth girl.
But by the end, she's literally dressing in a black wedding
dress and got the Robert Smith eyeliner and, you know,
all that good stuff.
So yeah, she has her her weird like 10 things I hate about you,

(53:49):
beauty transformation, but it goes really sort of dark and Gothic.
Oh, yeah.
Let me shed off the this frumpy dress forever 21 projected image
of me.
Or is it more just like you dress like a square
and now you're going to dress like a guy.
Yeah, yeah, she dressed like a square and now all of a sudden
she's shopping at like Hot Topic.
Nice.

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Before that was a thing.
Todd Dobbock's still a pretty cool store.
All the shit it gets.
I only go to Hot Topic.
Tua.
That's that's the original.
That's the original.
So yeah, darkness.
Yeah, anyways.
So if you hear us Tua something,
that's it's a living, breathing expression of sometimes
is douchebaggery.
Sometimes it's apathy.

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Sometimes it's like self-righteousness like you're above something.
Right.
Like, you know, like, oh, I don't I wouldn't ever
go see a Marvel movie.
I'm going to go see Jennifer's body.
Tua like or, you know, pick a non-gothic.
Only watch only watch four films.
Yeah, I don't watch movies.
I watch films.
Tua.
You know, one of those.
Yeah, I don't watch movies.

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So it's self-serving.
It's also like I hate myself.
It's also I'm a douchebag.
Trust me, everybody hates you too.
I know.
Trust me.
If you've ever twad, we hate you.
Yeah, trust me.
And I'll be the decider of such things.
I do that Tua with my far better half Angie.
She always knows what I'm talking about.

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So anyways, we're about we're off track.
Lisa Frankenstein.
I think I kind of get it.
Is there a surprise at the end?
I guess they live happily ever after and somebody
comes to come kill the monster that she's created.
In a weird way, I mean, she gets everything she wants,
but it costs her her life.
But yet she uses the same technology
to that she used to resurrect him, to resurrect herself.

(55:31):
Like, you know how in Frankenstein,
they have the scene where they use
lightning and electricity to bring the monster back to life?
The way that they infuse his body parts is she'll she'll
like, like I said, like so on an eye or so on somebody's hand.
And then they take her, they take him to a faulty tanning
booth that's short circuits all the time.
It's funny.

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And they put him in a tanning booth and all those other sparks
underneath and he comes back just a little bit more
handsome every time.
Yeah, I get it.
So what happens at a tanning bed?
Mike.
I don't know if you've ever been.
I will say I got a hand at to Cole Sprouse, who
does a lot of really good like body comedy in this.
Like for probably half the movie, he doesn't even speak.

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It's a lot of like grunts and groans and Frankenstein like like
that kind of thing.
But he does a lot of really good body comedy.
OK.
Strong performance.
What was it?
An underrated performance?
I don't know that it's under it.
It was an adequate performance.
Performance.
I mean, did I expect more?
No.

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But did he deliver exactly what I expected?
Yeah.
Cool.
Yeah.
Well, hell yeah, man.
Well, you want to review it or or you want to give it
one adequate?
I'm going to give it one adequate performance followed
by a this movie could have been better.
Twa.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We're getting close to the interject when it's not a
twa moment, but that was.

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All right.
Well, cool.
I think we're going to take a break then.
I got some things loaded up in the chamber that I've been
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So asked about.
See what I did.
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Bwaah!
Well done sir.
Well done.
He was really in the character on that one.
Nice visual.
Oh man.
So what are we back to?
Let's see.

(59:09):
Oh I got an important question for you sir.
You?
What you been watching sir?
My guy in this spooktacular season which we call the witching hour of October.
I watched one of my favorite trash movies of all time.
Slave Girls of Venus 3?
That's right.
No I watched Leprechaun and the Hood.
The 5th Leprechaun movie.

(59:29):
Oh.
Dude this movie is awesomely bad.
So you bypassed one through four and just went straight to lepping the hood?
I was a little bit lost in terms of you know the order of operations and I feel like I
missed out on some pivotal plot points.
But I also think after- I'm pretty sure you don't.
I'm pretty sure after he went to space in four I think five they're just like and now

(59:53):
we're just going to set him in this scenario which he apparently he went to some project
many many years ago and then or some I don't know I don't know how long he was frozen for
but he he stowed away himself in some building and then it got you know renovated or whatever
and they built some new building on top of it which then again became abandoned and Ice

(01:00:15):
T bought some map from somebody that told him there was going to be gold there and so
they break in through a cement wall with a sledgehammer and then walk into this abandoned
building and find some gold and the leprechaun.
The aforementioned Warwick Davis leprechaun.
So you telling me they got gold buried somewhere in this house?
Man.

(01:00:36):
That's fucked up.
Fucked up.
I see he's on that show right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
For sure.
Well maybe not anymore but yeah either way but you telling me we got this funky ass leprechaun
running around shit.
It's like with Ice T.
But yeah they quickly yeah but no they they unleashed the lap in the hood but the issue

(01:00:59):
is apparently he has a gold chain that when it's around his neck he turns back into a
gargoyle and Ice T makes a daring escape by somehow magically turning steam on and it
blasts the necklace back in the air and it goes back around the leprechaun so Ice T is
able to not only steal his gold in this moment he's also able to acquire a magical flute

(01:01:21):
which makes people listen to whatever music it like hypnotizes them to listen to whatever
music you got going on.
Wait hypnotize like it was all a dream.
Hypnotize is another song that doesn't start with that lyric.
But yeah same idea.
Oh never mind wait what am I thinking of?
Hypnotize is like flow hot sicker than your average.
Oh right right right.
Pop a twist cabaddon instead.

(01:01:42):
Uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh.
Yeah.
But yeah now same concept.
And so eventually Ice T becomes this mogul you know I think what do they call him Jackie
owned asses.
That's right.
I forgot about that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or Mack owned asses I think.
Yeah yeah yeah.

(01:02:03):
It's owned OWN.
Yeah.
It's owned uh you know it's spelled onasses but the play on words is that he owned asses.
Right.
He's a plie.
All of the above.
But uh yeah it's a it's a really bad movie.
And I love it.
I love how you get right to it.
Well the opening sequence shows him fight the leprechaun and I guess he has he's he makes
a joke like after he steals the flute he's like off to Motown.

(01:02:27):
But he fights the leprechaun in the hood apparently and uh he reaches into this afro.
He has a gun and he pulls it on the leprechaun and the leprechaun superheats it and makes
him drop it.
Right.
And then he reaches into his afro like it's bag and sag and berry from from freaking all
that and he pulls out a switch blade.
That's it.
That's such a that's such a I mean it is specific pull.

(01:02:50):
So it's got an afro portal which is what it is but right there's a funny scene he then
pulls out.
He pulls out on a t-shirt like afro portal.
Yeah.
Look patent pending.
Um you know he pulls out a switch blade to fight him and then obviously the leprechaun
dispatches of that and my favorite part of this exchange he reaches up into his afro
and he pulls out like a mini baseball bat.

(01:03:12):
He's like I'm gonna fuck you up leprechaun.
So I pull a baseball bat out.
I don't know.
It's all silliness.
That's the start of the movie.
The only way that they could make that gag better is if he's constantly pulling out bigger
and better weapons from his afro like he pulls out a gun.
He pulls out like he pulled out a taser like some C4 bazooka.

(01:03:36):
He pulled out a gun from his waistband and then he pulled out the knife from his afro
and then the bat from his afro and then the best part is after the bat gets you know knocked
out of his hands whatever he goes back for something else he's like oh and he checks
it again he's like oh out of weapons in the fro.
So he thought he had more up there but apparently he didn't he didn't fully pack it today.

(01:03:58):
What else could have been up there?
Still more opportunity.
That's right missed opportunity was left in the afro.
So but no that's just the start of the miss like the first five minutes.
But again that's the first five minutes.
The chain falls on the leprechaun and then he steals his magic flute and then he takes
the leprechaun gargoyle back to his studio headquarters and he cases it in glass of course

(01:04:20):
like some good luck charm.
Meanwhile enter what is the name post postman P I think his name is post Malone.
No but there's an up and coming rap group called one of the rappers called postman P
it's called stray bullet and then what's the other guy's name I forget he's a virgin that's
all they make fun of before postman after a portal.

(01:04:40):
Pretty much but postman P his whole thing is that he's delivering a positive message.
And so we was like brush your teeth yo go to school.
No be a fool.
It's pretty bad like the group that used to come to your elementary school would be like
we want to rap with you guys about something serious.
Yeah but why you why you shouldn't talk to strangers.

(01:05:03):
My name is rapper P and I don't like I stick to my family.
My name's homie G.
Yeah pretty much and so it's like 45 year old men with their hat turned sideways.
These guys are trying to spread a positive message because this whole thing is like you
got a positive affirmative positive affirmations is what's going to get us out of this you

(01:05:24):
know socio economic hellhole.
Yeah that's the thing.
Yeah that's kind of what he implies.
You don't imagine the sandwich hard enough.
That's why you're hungry.
Exactly.
Like Chappelle said.
But ultimately what they do is they they go to pitch their demo to ice tees character
and they're like he's like get out of here with this weak shit.
He's like you can do gangsta shit.

(01:05:45):
And this is what he says.
He's something along the lines like we do some gangsta shit.
We talk about smacking bitches and shooting clubs.
Jesus Christ.
It's like dude.
Whoever wrote this script I hope they had at least one black person on staff.
Oh I guarantee you they did.
I would not think so.
But you can tell it's just like what they think it's supposed to be like.

(01:06:07):
It's like Hyman Rothschild.
You grew up in Chicago right.
Yeah well I think they might have let ice tea improbable just the thing he says he's
like that he promotes.
And he's like if you're not talking these things and he lifts off like terrible things
is like we're talking about oozey's and machine guns.
We're talking about snacking hoes.
We're talking about you know what I'm saying bank robberies.

(01:06:28):
This is that.
So we promote here at bloodline reccoms.
The writers like well I wasn't raised in the streets but I have seen New Jack City approximately
45 times.
Yeah pretty much.
And so it's just funny like that's someone's idea of what gangster rap all is.
It's not like street poetry especially at the time when this movie came out it was far
more like hey we're going to tell you about our struggles and play up to some extremes

(01:06:50):
but this is what it's around us.
But the idea is like we ride around on tanks blowing up you know what I'm saying orphanages
that's what we talk about.
We keep a gang to hear a bloodline record or whatever the hell it's called.
It's just funny but anyways eventually he says no and then they go back to go.
They are convinced by their homie stray bullet who's on the one of the members of the group

(01:07:13):
to go back to ice tea's place and rob the place because he's like oh why you think they
got it.
And so now they're own they're breaking their own code of ethics because you know he's trying
to spread a positive message but it's supposed to extend for a greater good because they
need to go win some contest in Las Vegas and that's the only way they're going to do it.
With street cred that's how they're going to win.
No it's street cred they need to fix their equipment is what it is.

(01:07:33):
Oh okay.
So there's a means to an end.
They're going to rob him and buy new equipment, new whatever.
Yeah and then that's kind of and in a process they steal a magical flute that makes them
like the music which was trash earlier.
So they're meanwhile on the run from not only ice tea who's out to get them because he got
shot and survived and they didn't know that.
And they're also on the run from the dangerous warwick Davis who is now the LEP in the hood.

(01:07:59):
Got you.
And Michael this movie rules in a really crappy way or it's really crappy in a really awesome
way I'm not sure.
So it's one of those like it's so bad it goes all the way around and it's awesome again.
Yeah it's not even horror anymore at this point it's classified as comedy like there's
no way I mean the first leprechaun was supposed to be a horror which was Jennifer Aniston's

(01:08:19):
first movie role I think.
And even that's really really campy.
Yeah absolutely it is but.
Like I mean they kill the leprechaun the kid spoiler slingshots of four leaf clover into
his mouth and it's like lucky charms bitch.
Really yeah that's how the first one.
I thought he died from coming in contact with iron or something like that.
No I'm pretty yeah.

(01:08:40):
Well I know in the one they put him in space he gets burned when he touches iron and so
they put him in a safe at the end and that's what defeats him.
But in this one it's putting his magical chain back on him and they don't really ever explain
his power set he can do electricity and hyperchar or hyper heat things from a distance and blast
doors open with this.

(01:09:01):
Oh no no that you know why that is.
Why.
Just because warwick Davis can do those things.
Oh they were just rolling on.
Oh yeah yeah they were just like so like on your resume you put down like horse riding
fencing magical electrical bolts.
In possession magical chains and he's like warwick Davis like yes I can do all that.

(01:09:22):
Old of those things.
But hey you know a shout out to warwick Davis.
For real.
Yeah I mean career man really good career.
Everything from willow to wicket to I mean the leprechaun I mean.
Hey man.
He was in Harry Potter.
I mean he might be underrated.
He might be.
He might need to go up on the wall.

(01:09:43):
I mean not the wall of fame yet.
We'll see.
We'll see.
He's contention like I said there's a log jam right now of like I said it's like the
NFL Hall of Fame.
We'll just throw anything against the wall and see what sticks.
The Legion of Goon there are strict parameters.
Yes there are.
I am the keeper of such thing and there will be more intrants coming soon so but we'll
talk about that later.
Some potential draft picks.

(01:10:04):
Potential Gooner he's been having in behind the scenes.
But that's again that's it everything.
But no this movie it just doesn't really make any sense at all and so he's just following
them through the hood of Compton at all sorts of colorful cast of characters like at one
point they stay at a church to lay low and then there have to be the musical guests for
the for the church as part of the deal to stay there so he blows the magic flute to

(01:10:29):
entice all the churchgoers to listen to their positive message about Jesus's mom was a
hoe or not a hoe or something like that.
Her name was Mary Jo.
It's like these ABC garbage ass wraps man the whole time.
I think that is the line it's like come whatever Jesus loves me yes I know if not you can find

(01:10:52):
a hoe something something something so and his mom's name was Mary Jo and they turn into
a rap song.
Oh it's horrible.
It's terrible.
Yeah and they like being pursued by the leprechaun in the hood throughout this whole thing and
he's funny in the sense of what he says rhymes and so he'll say things like you're with you

(01:11:15):
was talking to I see about his stolen you know his stolen gold he's like I can't believe
you found my loot but yet I'm still looking for my magic flute and everything it's all
these little whatever they're called a nursery rhyme and so it's just him running around doing
that and then eventually the postman P saves the day and everything sets right and at the

(01:11:41):
very end the leprechaun in the hood warwick Davis does a rap just as a credits roll it's
like lepping the hood come to do no good lepping the hood come to do no good.
I do remember the clothes and it's really bad.
It's pure camp and it's pure trash and I love this the leprechaun in the hood.
There's a couple movies that I like on the holidays leprechaun in the hood is one for

(01:12:01):
Halloween.
You can also watch it on St. Patty's Day.
I guess sure.
Yeah they have a transitions.
They have a holiday themed horror or holiday themed horror movie for every holiday now
there's gonna be the Arbor Day massacre taco Tuesday terrifiers.
Padpin Padpin Padpin.

(01:12:24):
Nobody steal our shit.
I know right.
Copyright Dudley Bros Productions worldwide.
Yeah but it's lepping the hoods pretty bad.
It's it's it was one of the straight to DVDs like they it's the fifth one in the series
after they took him to space.
So right.
I mean to their credit they do a good job of if I remember the movie correctly and it's
been a minute but they do a pretty good job on work Davis's makeup like he's now unrecognized

(01:12:45):
older in the whole movie.
Yeah like you wouldn't look at me like oh that's work Davis like they hide him behind
a lot of prosthetics and makeup and things of that nature.
No they do.
They certainly got it right by this time.
You know I mean I think it's the same process that they've done for the first four movies
they just they seem to have gotten it down by now.

(01:13:06):
He actually does a pretty he does a pretty good job in terms of like his movement is
kind of creepy.
He kind of in a weird way even though you know he's a little person or a dwarf I'm not sure
which one I'm not trying to be in Seoul I'm not sure which but that's why his movement
is so creepy.
Yeah and well no no but I'm saying I don't mean that to be offensive but what I was
gonna say is despite that he seems to kind of lumber a lot and kind of like hunch over

(01:13:27):
things and his presence like I said I'm not taking shots here I'm not trying to make little
jokes like he seems bigger than what he is in terms of just his his performance and sure
so it's it kind of works like so the way he lumbers and kind of like hunchbacks it a little
bit not like kind of not like over the top performance but like he he commands a lot
of presence yeah yeah and he takes up a lot of space in a weird way yeah and like he said

(01:13:50):
like he has a hunchback just a little bit and he kind of walks with his shoulders a
kind of a jacked up way and it's actually pretty good he's done it this is his fifth
time doing it but he also has nothing to do in this movie in terms of like 90% of the
dialogue is him either saying some like a little nursery rhyme or it's him in the background
in the shadows going hehehehe right right you hear all the time ADR all the time every

(01:14:14):
scene transition he's peeking around a corner like looking out of a sewer or whatever yeah
and so it's it's a lot of that but I don't I love the movie for some reason it's really
bad hey man you don't have to justify to me like we all have our weird movies where it's
like I can't explain it but that movie is just so much fun to me it's like Jack Frost
I I really like the Jack Frost yeah one is better than two but two so has its perks I

(01:14:39):
mean and it's like leopard to call in the first one is not a bad movie it's certainly
a B movie well like lepping the hood we're getting to like the CD category it's pretty
good so lepping the hood I will give it 48 rhyming stances oh perfect I thought you were
going to give it 16 bars that's pretty good too and one solid performance by ice tea that's

(01:15:03):
right so the other movie I watched I'll save the two big ones but I watched the Netflix
movie that actually was Oscar nominated for best cinematography and it was nominated for
some other awards in terms of I think best original screenplay for a lot of other I don't
think it was the Oscars but for some other prestigious awards called El Conde oh okay

(01:15:26):
it is translation of the count okay we talk about in Espanol in Espanol but we talk about
original movies all the time and how like you know the district nines of the world that
everything everywhere all right like like I've never seen a movie quite like that before
yeah yeah and this certainly is one of them okay the basic premise is not really a basic

(01:15:46):
premise they they always add another thing it begins with a narrator who later enters
the story but the narrator just tells the story of his dear count he's like oh my dear
count we'll start our story here kind of thing then ultimately it's a vampire who no one
knew who his dad was no one knew who his mom was but this man became part of he was a French

(01:16:09):
soldier and then eventually he got bit by some other vampire and he became one himself
obviously and so during the French Revolution he started to bite I think he he bit a prostitute
or something like that okay and so they realized what he was that he was a vampire and they
went to go kill him and he killed everyone in the room in graphic fashion okay the movie

(01:16:32):
shot in all black and white but more on that in a minute so like nose for a to or like
a Dracula style beautiful movie to look at but okay it deserves the nod for a best in
photography for sure okay okay but I'm more on that in a minute but he's like he's like
a 250 year old vampire and so quick trying to describe the plot as quick as I can just
because it is so original and you're gonna be like those words shouldn't go together

(01:16:54):
in a movie okay so he watches Marie Antoinette die he then goes steals her head from the tomb
so he can have it with her because he he loved her not like she didn't know that he existed
but he's like I love my queen he then goes like in a weird like celebrity stalker kind
of way no just like I love what she stood for I love the nobility of it like I just she

(01:17:15):
just loved her you know okay so it's not like a sexual or romantic based relationship they're
not like like an admiration thing yeah yeah kind of thing they weren't lovers but got
you got you okay and so he then fakes his own death and moves on he dedicates himself to
squashing rebellions all over the world okay he'll move to you know whenever there's an
uprising in some you know country he's there to help train troops and squash it as a vampire

(01:17:40):
okay he eventually rises to power and as a general and in Chile and he's a brutal just
a brutal brutal general and he rises to power eventually pulls off a coup so he becomes the
man in charge generally general Eastimo yes and he rules for 17 years before they realize

(01:18:04):
that they are going to kill him as well so once again he wants the American step in and
yeah yeah he was this awesome and put in their own puppet pretty much and so he once again
fakes his own death and he moves to Chilean countryside to live kind of as a peasant okay
and so that's one half of the movie as you pick up where this guy is at that point then

(01:18:26):
you come into play immediately that they say he wants to die all right he's had enough
he doesn't want to live like a peasant anymore he wants to die sure and now you get the the
movie pivots into a movie about his four children who he never bit to make vampires okay a wife
that he never bit to make a vampire he has a butler who he did bite because this butler

(01:18:49):
was so such a dedicated soldier to him in war improved his dedication to him through
heinous acts of brutality and torture okay and so the butler is a vampire and he loves
his general he's like my general we can love this guy okay got you got you and so it because
so he's living in anonymity basically like kind of reliving his former glory it sounds

(01:19:11):
like a little bit yeah and so it becomes very quickly about a guy who wants to die but it
becomes an inheritance war over these bratty children he's like okay yeah and it's a really
dark comedy it is it is a horror movie in some scenes but it's like these bratty children
ultimately start arguing about who's getting what and none of them worked for anything

(01:19:32):
and ever earned anything sure like a like a righteous gemstones or succession or something
like that okay okay but like a nose for a to twist absolutely but the concept of a vampire
gaining all living all these lives being a dictator of of Chile amassing all sorts of
riches between bribes from you know respected congressmen or hey if you know all sorts of

(01:19:55):
just riches or dastardly you know we're just yeah he's allowed to I think there's a line
that says isn't a man allowed to pillage what he conquers okay and it's kind of a fair
but there's also all sorts of shady things and there's this secret money that's going
around he eventually says he knows his wife is stealing from and he knows his kids that's
all they want is the money so he tells him about like hey look there's some secret money

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that I found in my books downstairs if you guys figure it out it's amongst you so it's
just the idea conceptually of an inheritance over a man who can't die okay right very original
idea sure she was like white we're fighting over inheritance over a guy that we don't
even know is gonna die but yet they're trying to settle this thing he says he wants to die

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but does he who knows is he gonna kill him sorry no fake his death and then just a bar
on and right take our riches later like who knows right like so yeah it's it's and it's
fun just a watt I mean certainly he's he's not a good guy you sympathize with him in
the terms of like you almost for a second trick yourself into going like well who's the real

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monster his children are really greedy and then you're reminded like oh no this dude
murdered tons of people right right tons of people I'm sorry how did he get his fortune
again yeah and not even just like as the vampire like just as a man in power right he's a terrible
human being his butler is too and then you enter because they can't figure out how to
do the books you then enter a a French nun who was really good at accounting and her

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job is to go and figure out the books and in this process what they do is this nun is
asking all the family members she's like in order for me to sort out what these what this
lost fortune is I need to know about everything like I need to know about all the money like
all the dealings all the everything if you got secret and it doesn't matter if you're
stealing right now I just need to know it so we can know what this is sure right like

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I the numbers have to add up in order for me to be like what's missing yeah I need to
know all the details and so she interviews every family member one by one and they're
terrible terrible terrible people and so it's a really original movie okay eventually you
find out then spoiler alert if you don't want to see the movie I would still recommend you

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do because I've never seen anything like this that she is going her plan is to now when
she finally opens up her attache case it is not filled with let's just say accounting
materials sure it is a stuff to kill a vampire oh like like crosses and holy waters yeah
and so she is sent there to either purify his soul to exercise the demon that is this man

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or to kill him okay and that's what it is all right and he knows is this like a personal
vendetta or is this a quest from God she is tasked by the Lord himself to you know I mean
she's sent by a covenant or not a covenant a ministry a convent yeah convent thank you
right to just do the right thing and try to exercise this man's heart and try to save

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him for the sake of God and her whole thing is she's a little bit sanctimonious in the
sense of like she's kind of judgmental and the dialogue is really sharp and funny it's
it kind of is a little bit Royal Tenenbombsy in a little bit in kind of a way okay it's
a good way to describe it but it's very quick dialogue in the whole time she's very snarky
snide like whip whip smart like short comments yeah and like there's a quick comment that

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the French nun is asking about you know like one of the family members about like yes and
you know for those who send certainly there's going to be temptations of the flesh and she's
like she lists all the I like whiskey I like fast cars I like sex I like this are these
temptations of the flesh does that make me the devil does that make the devil in me and
she's like well yeah it does and she's like okay fine then what does God offer me then

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oh just he's like oh well just the idea of unfiltered love that's it and she's like I'll
I like it on my side you know you know you rich the view right yeah give me a better bargain
and we'll talk stick to the designer dresses and fast cars and drugs yeah yeah she's like
and really all she says is like she he offers you eternal love in his bosom in the next

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life is all it is like what is it required unrequited love required and the next life
she's like I'm good on that yeah right yeah and there's give me mine now there's more
there's more plot twist the butler's been sleeping with his one wife Lucilla who we will not bite
and so okay it's a wild movie man and it is one of the most do the kids know that he's

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a vampire or yes and no they do but they also don't know of his brutality they don't believe
that he's half the man he is and they are they call themselves political prisoners they're
like you were in jail for embezzlement for 17 years like we were political prisoners
Jesus Christ so they don't and she rips them apart in terms of like all the money that

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she's finding and she's like oh you're such a victim getting these money from these men
that you can then later blackmail that are paying you to be quiet like they forced you
into this position to watch this it's like yeah I know it was tough wasn't he's like
I you could have donated all that money to couldn't you know so she's really sharp but
in the process the count falls in love with the with the French woman oh nice okay it's

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kind of dope twist he ends up turning her to a vampire spoilers spoilers yeah like I
said go watch the movie sorry to do this to you Michael go watch the movie man truly it
is it is incredible and there's a scene when this I say all that to say because it wouldn't
make sense there's maybe I could have worked around it but I'm not skilled enough there's
a scene in which the the French now vampire may a nun slash accountant falls of the temptation

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she tries to expel this demon from the count and Augusto is his name and she fails and
she gives into the temptation of the flesh and he he transforms into a vampire but there's
a scene where she first kind of is like almost drunk after she's first bit like moments after
and she stumbles outside of this quaint cottage in the middle of this Chilean almost desert

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of this you know whatever it is it's nothing around sure and she begins to take flight
and Michael when I tell you that this is one of those beautifully shot sequences I have
ever seen in my life and I mean that you could hang almost any one of the still frames of
this on someone's wall and you could call it our truly it is it is that good and it's

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all shot in black and white and it's her learning to fly in a way so a lot of times she's just
fumbling and kind of spinning in weird ways and like bouncing off of these lights like
just gingerly kind of pushing it because she doesn't know how to direct herself okay and
this whole time she's almost drunk with like this sense of freedom of not being burdened
by this church or anything like that and so she's just like floating through the air all

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over it is so kind of like now I'm free to become the person I always not thought I was
going to be but like always could have been yeah yeah and it's so it sounds like it's
like man of steel but done better yeah pretty much she goes supersonic and everyone's like
whoa I saw that an iron man but no I and I say this honestly it's a one person ballet

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almost and it's it's beautiful oh well that's really well put this whole movie is is so well
shot and it's it's a dark comedy that also has some horror and it's also like Royal Ten
and Bombs family drama and also this weird love triangle of he won't bite me but you're
sleeping with the butler he eventually can well there's more plots with Slater it kind
of you figure out who the count in his parents are and it just goes okay off the rails and

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before you know it everyone's trying to kill vampires and they're all trying to kill each
other and it it escalates rather quickly just devolves in a total chaos basically yeah
and there's Marie Antoinette's head shows back up oh nice he is a boudoir that is reminiscent
of the French royalty that he misses okay okay it's wild man it is truly one of the most

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what's it called El Conde El Conde okay and that means the count in Spanish okay and he
he at one point I've already said some graphic things but he's the narrator very much so
keeps you in tune with the rules of the world and so they one of the opening lines is about
the count has tasted man from every continent from every corner of this globe and then she

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begins to describe the way it tastes like in South America it really sticks to the lips
and he doesn't like it because it's for these reasons and he says like oh but the best is
that of a young woman and this and that and the third and he breaks down like the intricacies
of this world through the narrator and kind of how it works and how they're all eating
fresh hearts is the way and so how they acquire these hearts are some pretty graphic scenes

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but just thematically there's so many overlapping themes in terms of family drama in terms of
having a fascist vampire is just kind of hilarious who literally feasts on the blood of his people
right right yeah which is like such a funny parallel I mean it's not funny it's a sad
parallel but but in terms of yeah the metaphor of like oh the fascist dictator who just drains

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his people and just drains his people so that he can live forever yeah and he's killing
all these blue collar people like he goes to a textile factory and he just like wraps
the he's feeding this giant piece of cloth into a machine when he decides to go hunting
in not only does his walk up behind them and he wraps around the tail end of it around
his neck a few times and he just waits patiently as the machine slowly pulls this guy no no

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yeah and no there's some really really really well done shots and like I said thematically
of the overarching greed of and again just the concept of fighting over inheritance over
an immortal is just something I a concept I've never it's all ill gotten gains anyway so
like you're fighting over something that doesn't really belong to you in the first place first

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place but they're all just greedy jerks right well I deserve because I'm the favorite or
I deserve because I took care of them or I deserve it because whatever like I kept a
secret you know like yeah this this but like that's all not things that you're supposed
to be fighting over yeah it's it's very interesting and like I said it's there's a lot of of concepts

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that are just very original the way it's shot is a truly beautiful excuse me it's really
beautiful and the dialogue is really sharp it kind of there's a twist in the end yet
another one I know that kind of might alienate some people when you find out who the mother
is who the father is and all this other stuff but okay it's wild man I highly recommend

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it it's not as Halloweeny as I thought but I'm really really really glad I watched this
movie again it's called El Conde okay nominated for an Oscar for best cinematography and man
check it out I check it out high recommendations high recommendations I take your recommendations
very very highly and I will definitely give that one a look at some point for sure I think

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it's just under two hours so that's perfect yeah and they do whoever did the dub on it
did a great job I didn't realize that it wasn't actually and they weren't speaking English
I granted I was listening more than I was watching at some point sure I had some preoccupations
going on like doing it while you're folding laundry yeah yeah when I look down and I was
like oh they did a great job of whoever did the dub on this it's queued up with like the

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way somebody sighs is very much so seems like or even like I always hate when they dub something
and you can tell that the English actors don't understand the the tone of the tone or the
or the syntax of a conversation that they don't understand like the nuances and they
don't it just sounds not necessarily flat but it doesn't have the same ring to it it

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doesn't have the same context it doesn't have the same impetus yeah no I again I don't know
what they're saying in Spanish but I think they do a really good job but the dub the
American dub actors do a good job of like relaying that emotion or conveying like the
importance of the scene yeah the way what I would think the way that like his affect
the way he says things sure yeah yeah if he's walking in a room you can hear him like kind

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of lumbering in his voice too and they do some really cool cues with music as well I thought
my earbuds were dying at one point and I was listening to it because they'll just like hit
the whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa and it's a weird effects that only happen in certain
rooms in this in this it's not a mansion but the farm that he lives on right there's a
condo or yeah compound yeah so definitely fully recommend it right on okay I will give

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it oh man I wish I would have wrote this one ahead of time I will give it one basket that
goes underneath the guillotine oh yeah I think it's pretty brutal in some scenes okay but
it's dope man really original movie El Conde check it out the other thing that I saw very

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recently was a movie Tim Burton directed mm-hmm called Beetlejuice Beetlejuice oh don't say
it again I will not I will not unleash such demons upon this house although kind of do
it because he's kind of fun I guess he is he is always there's always a trick though always
a always a hook I will say this I liked it I liked it a lot I did not love it but um you

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know it's it really it's a good Beetlejuice movie for sure there's a couple qualms I
have I can start there or there's a couple things I liked about it I can start there
well does it does it at least embody the spirit of the first one like I mean the first one
was a little bit dark a little bit macabre but there was a lot of humorous elements to
punctuate it so it kind of balanced out you know what I mean like they would do some really

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dark shit but they would but then they would follow it up with visual gags or puns or just
wacky like oh I've never seen that in a movie before like like okay so for example even
when the couple dies you know like they fall into the river it's punctuated by their honesty

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saw teetering above the river and on the other side is a dog and all they do you know they're
looking through the back window going don't move don't move don't move and then the dog
just sheepishly moves off and of course they drop into the river right so it's it's a macabre
death scene but it's still punctuated by like a little bit of humor of like will the dog

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stay on or like what's the dog's opinion on this that's a great question and now that
I'm looking back at the movie that they certainly do that and there's one scene in particular
that that they do it and they were smart not to bring a certain actor back I forget his
name but he was arrested for some very heinous crimes right yes right right he's plays the

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bad guy in the past and the principal in fear yeah he's Jeffrey something rather yeah either
way but yeah he's not back in this movie but they his his character is but he's not back
in it so okay yeah I'll leave it there but there it really is more they they show more

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of how the underworld works I get I'm gonna call it the underworld where the afterlife
works sure or whatever it shows a lot more of the bureaucracy that the underworld has
in terms of like everybody has a job they still hate their job sure but it shows all
these wacky people who've died a certain way you see the lady who's like take your ticket

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a lot of times okay there's other departments that you kind of get to see I love the line
in the first one I think it's O though who says like I have a theory that anyone who
kills themselves gets to work in social services in the afterlife and then of course everybody
who killed themselves works in social services yeah yeah they explore it a lot more though

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and they don't they don't like spend a lot of time explaining it you don't need to see
more of it you know you just see like oh this is a well a relatively well-oiled machine
down here but you in that situation you don't need to explain it like I don't need to understand
that like how the bureaucracy works or like witnessing people fill out like forms a one

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four through seven BF like who cares you know like it I just want to see a weird visual
or like oh so like the afterlife is just like life on earth except weirder and darker and
sort of filled with like more regret it's a fair way to put it actually yeah yeah some

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people accept it you know they seem to be the happier ones down there there we go but
I mean there's obviously a janitor down there played by the incomparable Danny DeVito so
like why wouldn't there be like why would there be a janitor of course there's got a
mop up of the ectoplasmic goo the actual place yeah so I really dug it it really does carry
on the spirit of the first one they still do a musical number which is pretty funny

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the good news is is that Michael Keaton is still really good at playing Beetlejuice sure
and Catherine O'Hara is still one of the funniest actresses working you know what I
mean like she hasn't lost it yeah and she's now that I'm thinking she's really underrated
man so I'm gonna give her the underrated performance of the week oh no Beetlejuice Beetlejuice
okay okay yeah because I mean she's done a lot of good stuff in a lot of good movies

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so yeah and she's like I said brings the heat every time so welcome to it yeah welcome Miss
Kevin McAllister's mom there you go there you go she should have been up there a while
ago she's not a wall of fame or what she's certainly getting today's underrated performance
of the week that's right that's right so that's the good news very colorful cast they use practical
effects as often as they can I think there's certainly digital effects yeah but they don't

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there's not some giant CGI schlockfest right they usually do it on real sets in real places
so it's used sparingly yeah yeah but it does exist I mean it's it's too cost effective
not to use CGI nowadays right right right oh we could spend you know a hundred thousand
dollars testing the way that this looks and you have to find the right material and it's

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like or we could spend ten grand and just hire some Korean animators to just or you know
in a secluded room for six weeks yeah the B staff at ILM to do it in the weekends right
right right let's do that you know so especially now more and more people have their own VFX
teams in terms of directors and who they like to work with and who they can understand the

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language of what they're trying to do to do well and the next video have the ties now
that it's sure yeah yeah yeah I mean like but not only besides their own team like the
cost of doing these effects has gone down dramatically I mean even to the point where
you could download up an app on your phone and still make your own special movie effects

(01:38:43):
you know like it's not it's not like it was the exorbitant cost it was to film like Star
Wars or Jurassic Park or or even like Deep Blue Sea that was a good one that was a good
one I gotta eat my shark remember shark ate me but yeah so I mean they it seems like they
use practical effects where they can the sandworms they still do the exact way I don't know if

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they are computer animated but if they are computer animated they did it to look the
exact same good so it's still very well maybe stop claim stop motion claymation they could
be they could have just perfected it in computer generated images but at least the same right
at least it still has the same aesthetic yeah and like I said Michael Keaton's really good

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at playing Beetlejuice Jenna Ortega is is fine you know she plays she is she plays the
new Lydia as it were okay okay the new like I want to be dead life is meaningless me a
little bit she's not I listen to the Smiths a lot no she's not quite like that I guess
now would be Fallout boy yeah well her she's kind of exhausted by all that stuff by her

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mom cuz Lydia has become a TV personality by now okay like on like one of these ghost
hunter shows or whatever ah okay that would make sense yeah that seems like a really good
natural progression actually yeah and and she is followed around by her producer Justin
Thoreau who she also is as a relationship with I love Justin yeah he's good and a lot

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of stuff yeah he doesn't show up often but what he is I like him so he's a good character
actor too yeah no he's good in this movie though and so that's kind of like the basic
players and Jenna Ortega like I said she's more exhausted by her mom they kind of have
a bit of an estranged there was a tragedy that happened clearly it's a Beetlejuice movie
and so there's a little bit of a disconnect to that between them obviously Catherine

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O'Hara is not Lydia's mom that's her stepmom so the beef that they have still really carries
through in terms of like hey my dad's dead and so like what are you doing here kind of
yeah yeah so why am I even talking to you anymore yeah and she's obviously still the
artist that she thinks she is right you know right clearly I'll say whatever Lydia if you

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do not let me gut this house and reform it to my taste I will go crazy and take you all
with me yeah so the dad I just this they should tell you in the first like three minutes Lydia's
dad has passed away and that's kind of impetus to bring them back to the small town where
the house is the ghost house they call it now and so it's they're preparing for his funeral

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and so that's kind of what brings everybody together and before you know it Jenna Ortega
is wrapped up into the same high jinx and Beetlejuice still longs for his long lost love
Lydia which was kind of creepy because she was certainly a teenager yeah very much so
a teenager at that time but apparently doesn't matter to Beetlejuice so they kind of gloss

(01:41:40):
over that one but he's still very much so is on the hunt for Lydia so yeah that's the
basic premise and again the set pieces are awesome it's Tim Burton there's a twist in
there that works pretty well I mean you can kind of see it coming but by the time you
they give you enough information that you see it coming they reveal it like two scenes later
so it's okay okay so I think you're like I think that might be and then oh yeah okay

(01:42:05):
so they don't it's not huge but it is pivotal for the plot is it predictable and thus disappointing
or is it predictable like okay that makes sense yeah that makes sense kind of situation okay
it reveals something about what's the last name it was Lydia Deets yeah yeah yeah Deets
now here's my question what do they do with the Gina Davis and Alec Baldwin ghost characters

(01:42:29):
I can't remember their their character name but the original couple who I mean it all takes
place in their house right yeah no they mentioned them Lydia tells the story of them but they're
not in it you know I think you you might see a photo of them if I recall correctly do they
explain why they're not in the movie or is it just like oh they moved on yeah they're
just happy in the afterlife you think okay they don't really say anything you just see

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I kind of feel like that's a wasted opportunity like I kind of feel like not that we needed
closure on it but it would have given a nice little button on it even if it's just a tertiary
like throwaway line or something well I think they finished happily ever after in Beetlejuice
right a sin and let us know at what's up in watching podcasts at gmail.com or slide in
those DMs or I'll probably just rewatch the movie at some point that's right yeah but

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they they're happily ever after I think they might mention there might be a throwaway line
about it that I maybe just didn't catch I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt but
I would I walk away with the impression thinking that they're they're happily ever after in
the afterlife because they're together and that's the whole thing so because that was
what Lydia's whole thing was like let them rest let them rest let them rest so it kind
of undoes it because they were trying to draw them into the real world and they were you

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know the left of the sea was kicking in Lydia's thing was like you got to let them rest so
I would like to think that would not undercut what she was trying to do sure they just it
really bothered me not bothered me but it as soon as I saw the trailer for the movie I
was like well what happened to Gina Davis and Alec Baldwin and like I know probably it's
gonna be hard to get Alec Baldwin at this point but yeah I'm grumbling a bunch of staff

(01:44:03):
members yeah well you know I don't say it no we all know where you're going go ahead go
ahead yep but you know you could have got Gina Davis for like one scene I don't know
yeah I don't know what she's doing it doesn't take away from the movie they set up a new
the new stakes and you're interested in the new story pretty quickly okay okay yeah and
it's I mean consequential characters yeah it doesn't really matter they're just a they

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move on and here's here's the new story so okay and it is very much so you know Lydia
Deets I forget Jenna Ortega's character's name but they very much have a strained relationship
God what was it from the Astrid or Astro yeah yeah yeah Astrid yeah okay and they very much
so have a strained relationship and Catherine I hear I get to make fun of of Lydia Deets

(01:44:48):
winota writer's character being like you hated me at that age she's like I didn't hate you
I just said said something like I just didn't really like you a lot are you just annoyed
me or something like that sure like I didn't hate your teenager shit yeah she's like it's
karma and just kind of messes with her back the whole time so but that's everything I
liked about it really I mean it's it certainly is a good Beetlejuice movie it is a good Tim

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Burton movie does it does it at least have the same timber and pace or at least the same
feel of the original timber like a musical description almost I like it like in the in
the first movie they have terrifying scenes again like followed up by like a humor scene

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or or they'll do a lot of visual gags and and you know like Michael Keaton doing his
Beetlejuice stick where he's he's just doing characters or whatever you know very much
so and then here's my my qualm actually my I know my my honest opinion is there is not
enough Michael Keaton in this movie and he's in a fair amount but there's a plot thread

(01:45:55):
that doesn't really go anywhere like I'll just be I mean you'll figure it out pretty
quick in the movie but like Monica Baluchis character sure it's kind of inconsequential
in the grand scheme it's just it's another added wrinkle now now I saw that the trailer
but I don't know what role she plays like what is her deal in this movie like what's

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the what's the what's the thing that brings her into this into this fold she is Beetlejuice's
ex-wife when they were alive and they tell the backstory of Beetlejuice as when he was
alive and how they met wait wait so we get to know who Beetlejuice was when he was like
okay that kind of spoils no it's funny it's funny but I mean does that really need to

(01:46:40):
be explored like they don't spend a tremendous amount of time on it it's it's a quick like
it's mo it's mostly to introduce Monica Baluchis character okay and why she's relevant okay
but it's his ex-wife and so there's a lot of eggs well you know what I mean man like
it was coming after me I've tied the juice man down you think your ex-wife's bad you
she's mine yeah yeah typical Beetlejuice you know try paying alimony for eternity yeah

(01:47:04):
exactly exactly yeah you see you get it yeah it works but her character also hit me up
Tim Burton I can write for you hey man for real why don't I tell you in fact his both
up please I'll fumble my way through it but yeah her character is a little bit inconsequential
I would say she's just kind of in it there's no she's to the larger story it adds in the
very end like oh and she's here too but like it doesn't it's not really the point of it

(01:47:29):
at that point is she kind of like shoehorned in or is it just like she just doesn't you
could take her out and the the climax of the movie is the same she just shows she's a she's
a soul sucker is what she is and she's trying to retain eternally like she can kill you
in the after you go to the great beyond if she sucks your soul and she turns you into
like a hollowed out version like a gooey pile or yourself just your skin or whatever hey

(01:47:51):
man sounds like kind of like some of my ex-girlfriends right see you get it you get it so and so
yeah you go to the I should call her yeah you're like they say you're dead dead after
that no coming back from that kind of thing and so like like like your ecto goo or yeah
you're just you go to the great beyond that's it you're not coming there's nothing yeah yeah
and so so she's trying to and she has some vendetta would be with Beetlejuice to remain

(01:48:16):
truly immortal and she can never be killed and so it just it doesn't really matter because
there's another plot line that involves Lydia Deets and her daughter that is really the
forefront of the story got you so again it doesn't it's not bad but it's just kind of
like a plot threads here and it detracts so it takes away from the time I want to spend
with Beetlejuice right and Lydia hanging out or Beetlejuice being doing his thing right

(01:48:41):
yeah yeah cuz I mean his name's in it twice you know that's why we're here but the bitch
you get are really good so that's I mean that's my only like qualm with the movie so I would
say I liked it I don't love it but sure like it doesn't necessarily hold the same magic
as the first the first one we talk about original movies that's the third time we brought up
today that is certainly falls in the category of when you see Beetlejuice I'd never seen

(01:49:04):
anything like that you know it's just child childish enough or like you can watch it as
a kid be entertained a shout a it's just like dark enough where it kind of freaks you out
a little bit sure yeah like if you see that at the right age it's both fun and terrifying
yeah like you see that like eight nine ten years old you're like I love this movie but
also like I have nightmares yeah Edward Scissorhands is like that too sure Tim Burton was really

(01:49:28):
firing on all cylinders at one point human centipede why is this gonna if I don't stop
from now he's just gonna when I start to talk say another movie I've longed to a formula
so um yeah I recommend it though I recommend it cool it's Tim Burton it's a really good
Tim Burton movie I didn't see Dumbo or anything like that but I heard they were all his last

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couple movies have been kind of a mess even he's been he's been going for the corporate
cash grab so yeah yeah and even like some people took a lot of they the purists didn't
like uh Sweeney Todd the demon barber of Fleet Street because it took away from certain
things that happened on the Broadway show I don't know anything about the Broadway show
I loved that movie I love Johnny Depp's performance in that movie we culture doc right so uh yeah

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Beetlejuice Beetlejuice uh check it out man I don't really have a lot else to say on it
in terms of what I liked what I didn't like what do you give it this is a cartoon reference
uh oh the Beetlejuice cartoon was actually pretty good was it now oh I didn't remember
so I will give it one hearty Beetlejuice in a uh in a fedora in a whip as he careens across

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a canyon when he yells Indiana bones it was grim diana bones oh it what grim diana bones
well I'll give it grim diana bones so I don't really walk to that review that wasn't a good
one that's all right that's all right trying to bring the cartoon into this I thought you're
gonna give it one lacking Beetlejuice ah yes I will give it he is a uh when you summon

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him over his grave like the here lies Beetlejuice there is a very cool scene when they go back
to the uh um uh the model of the city or whatever sure and I forgot how cool the opening sequence
of the first Beetlejuice movie is when they shoot that as if it's the actual scenery
that you're gonna be doing right right right you realize it's a model of oh yeah because
they have the big giant spider that's whole that's hovering over the the the house yeah

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yeah so they they spend a lot of time there but anytime he emerges from that or or he
sucks you into that world it's always a lot of fun so cool cool man uh so anything
else you've been watching a little something something that just dropped hot off the presses
my guy uh huh did you get a chance to watch the marvel television agatha all along I did

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sir I have thoughts do you watch both episodes I did watch both episodes and I have thoughts
all right all right I did too good I don't know if you're gonna be able to get it done
in time but I'm proud of you I did I literally as we were recording this tonight I finished
the episode was like well gotta go to Marcus it's alright I watched 11 today too it's like

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I need some ammo we're gonna I didn't realize you had such a front load you watched a lot
of spooky stuff sure yeah we did a little homework just for you the listener but anyways
uh agatha all along man what did you think I've been bumping my guns about I like it
and I'll give you it fixes the problem that I've had with a lot of the Marvel television

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series which is when they take four episodes in order to get to the main plot point and
they address agatha all along in the first two episodes I know who the bad guys are I
know what I know what agatha is trying to do I know what her goal is now we can just

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jump into it yeah yeah the first two episodes I liked the first episode especially was very
much so in the same spirit of Wanda vision yes as it took a tell like you know I have
Wanda vision progressed from like I love Lucy to you know the 80s sitcoms to the 90s sitcoms
2000 sitcoms right right she broke the world or whatever but um this one was very much

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so they did mera Vistown the the detective show starring Kate Winslet that was on HBO
they just lifted that right from and they're like oh she's in a TV show herself that's
not reality right so it's very much so in the same spirit of Wanda vision I like how
they even open like the opening credits is you know it's agatha O'Connor and agnus O'Connor

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right or agnus O'Connor or whatever and and and like the opening credits is it's it's
almost like a true crime or true detective opening but they're they're not giving the
actual actor's name they're just giving their character's name yeah and then we come to
find out that you know agnus has is trapped within her own mind or within this this own

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reality of the scarlet witch set up in front of her and then she breaks away and then the
tone of the entire series changes yeah yeah and they set it up in previous a previous
Marvel movie in fact and an infinity war when Stephen Strange is being held by Ebony
Ma and he cast some spell and he says good luck breaking he said good luck breaking a

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dead man's whatever spell containment spell or whatever it was and I think with the Scarlet
Witch being quote unquote dead she is trapped within this this thing and I think it complicates
it now that she's dead there's really no rules anymore and so she's still in Westview her
role was to just be the nosy neighbor well now that Scarlet Witch is dead this whole

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hex that she put on her it's everything's going haywire like I think they even have
a throwaway line of like well if there's no witch to break the curse then you're forever
bound to the curse yeah yeah and so it's it's kind of interesting to watch that and I like
that that that take on it the idea of like oh is the Scarlet Witch dead for real is she
in another reality and you know and the her her finding of the dark cold how it's been

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burned in every reality you know it was interesting how they did all that so and Catherine Hawn
shout out to her man she's all fantastic she's awesome yeah and she has such a great emotional
range like again like the show opens and you think it's going to be this like detective
like almost like a bones or a what am I thinking of like a like an SVU or or true detective

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kind of yeah Marraves town is the one that they kind of lifted a lot of the scenes of
the opening of that show was very much so but like her like her whole demeanor as the
detective character you know where she's this hard nose like I can't have a social life
I can't have a family life because I'm detected I'm I'm I can't have a social life I can't

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have a family life because I'm so dedicated to being like the best detective right and
then make a joke about how that's the status quo in every TV show sure sure sure and then
she breaks away from that and claws her way out of reality and then her whole demeanor
changes and it's just she goes from being this very hard-nosed very straight-laced very

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stoic detective into this like wild free spirit witch who's just like oh well fuck everybody
I'm just going to go get what I want you know like it's it's her whole acting style changes
you know like it she embodies two completely different characters yeah no she does she

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pivots out of the detective role pretty quick and then when she is you know kind of messing
with her neighbor when she's naked or whatever right which I if you look back at that scene
I find it kind of funny when the scene opens up when she's still in the fake detective world
the neighbor I forget his name Phil Phil yeah Phil is standing behind a crossed off yellow

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rope and then you know and he kind of invites her over by lifting up the rope and in the
real world what are they separated by bushes all the time with yellow flowers with yellow
flowers and so it's one of those things or in the real world she was probably out there
messing with them being like talking crazy detective and he's like all right come on
right right gate so just to the observant viewer there's little hints that are kind

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of cool but and I do like the aspect of while she's in the detective like dream or or fantasy
or reality Aubrey Plaza shows up and she keeps dropping these really subtle lines of like
is this really who you want to be and like she's I think she says the line like you should
go home or or reality is what we perceive it to be yeah or like like little subtle hints

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as basically Aubrey Aubrey Plaza shows up in this fantasy as an FBI detective that for
some reason the Catherine Hahn detective character hates but they never she can't remember why
she can't define what their history is but she just knows that like oh that's the role
I'm supposed to play is like you're my nemesis but also my co-worker yeah he's like you

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don't even remember why you hate me do you and she gets this really blank look and the
music kind of it starts it you know they play the piano tones of like and like then she
fades out and the music stops yeah no it's it's really well done yeah the first episode
really shows her reveal she finally does claw her way out and the just the funny parts of

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you know with the toe tag with the body that they're trying to identify and like and it
was hair of and it's like scarlet right and then the book that was rented out was one
of the mystery pieces which doesn't really matter it was for the dark hold and then yeah
she she takes all the first letters in the title of the book and it spells all dark hold
it's like whatever it is yeah yeah yeah so yeah there's little clues and stuff that that

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indicate that the scarlet witch may or may not be dead and that the spell is then broken
and then she can claw her way out and I'll be proud Plaza helps her to do so and yeah
and then in the process they have a when she does finally get free I'll be Plaza comes
and kicks the shit out of her or they fight you don't kick shit out but yeah they have

(01:59:33):
a pretty knock down drag out fight have a typical comic book fight yeah yeah yeah which
I gotta say like I like that they cast Aubrey Plaza you're not big on her yeah I'm gonna
hit the haters you alarm real quick but it's just it's once again it's Aubrey Plaza playing
the exact same role that she played in every single thing she's ever been in where she's

(01:59:57):
just a cynic myth and misanthropic asshole she certainly has played that role a lot and
I think she was April on Parks and Rec which really was her claim to fame I do think she's
stretched she's extended herself beyond that now like you watch there's other movies that
she's not like that and I don't I don't see it as much in this one I think that was more
the cynicism was more her taking shots at what appears to me to be some sort of ex lover

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between her and Agatha and that's more what it is being like there are the tension of
it was more not trying it was like this cat and mouse like will they won't they kind of
situation and so I didn't I didn't really pick she is good at playing the cynical kind
of quirky whatever I think that's also kind of her in real life but I also like her I
like Aubrey Plaza a lot but I didn't see it as much in this role so far I mean I don't

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know it's you might be looking for it though so maybe and maybe it you're right it might
be a little bit of like hater ass Huey but just every time I see her play that role I
just think like oh again you know like I don't know it's like casting like Sarah Sarah Jessica
Parker as the horse like it's just how many times you're gonna do the same thing like

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this bit like this bit yeah no I don't know I mean I'm interested to see where her character
goes I like the the rapport that her and Catherine hon had the only thing that was kind of weird
was just they did the Vegeta or what's the guy in Avatar Prince whatever who's just like Agatha
is trying like she could have killed Agatha easily Aubrey Plaza's character sure and all

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of a sudden it's like oh don't you want to see me at full power though and it's like they
have the line where like basically Agatha talks her into like well you don't really want to
fight me when I'm at my lowest you want to fight me when I'm at my best and meanwhile Aubrey Plaza's
character has been the whole time talking about like all I want to do is just see you dead and
buried and drowned and burst in flames and then it's like but you're right I do want to fight

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you when you're at your best that was shoehorn a little bit they did try to set it up like I said
with that cat and mouse well they won't they I think these two are scorned lovers situation
I got a little bit of that vibe too so I think part of it is like damn and I do whatever our
relationship is it's I don't want it to be like this so I don't want to kill you while you're I

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just don't like seeing you weak is more what it is so but again it was a little bit kind of like
don't you want to see me be strong or like like you don't want to meet your ex-girlfriend when
she's addicted to crack and living in a hotel like you want to meet her when she's like oh I'm
dating a millionaire but you're like yeah but also I don't give a fuck and also go fuck yourself

(02:02:40):
yeah yeah no I hear you I hear you so I don't know I'll see all that relationship plays out but
it looks to me on episode two Agatha is now free after after they she she's told by Aubrey Plaza
that the Salem seven are coming to get her she's like I'm not the only one the one that you dead
so you know what I'll take I'll roll the dice but then she has the quest to like basically build her

(02:03:03):
own coven and then go down the witch's road which I don't fully understand yet but I understand
that that's like the McGuffin of it all yeah it's the the path to get her powers back at the end
you get what you desire sure if you desire power or whatever and and so she forms this this cabal
as it were this coven this makeshift coven of all these different like this one is the the potions

(02:03:24):
which it was a blue a green or a blue witch and this one is the white witch who's a this a healer
a healer and this one is a this witch you know a psychic with whatever it is they have all these
titles and apparently they're associated with colors and flowers so and the only thing that
was funny is is Debra Joe Rupp who her name was Miss Hart like they kept referring to the

(02:03:46):
words black heart but like on the piece of paper like what is what is the fifth name it's just a
black heart which is one of the sons of Mephisto so at some point Catherine Hahn in order to
to convene her coven of witches goes to a psychic who turns out to be a real witch and she has this
like paranormal experience where she just jots down names on a piece of paper and then that's

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supposed to be the coven and so now Catherine Hahn and her teenage pet or or familiar ward
of ward whatever now have to assemble the team that's going to take her down the witches road
yeah it's but but so one one of the names is literally just a heart drawn in black ink

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and they bring in Debra Joe Rupp who in the previous episodes of Wanda vision was known
as Mrs. Hart yeah but also maybe black heart yeah she wasn't a witch in in Wanda vision and
she's clearly not one in this but I think she's just like ah you'll do because well so so the

(02:04:58):
impetus is they need a green witch in order to in order to complete the coven to go down the
witches road and for some reason Catherine Hahn instead of going after the actual person whose
name is on the list just Robert Plaza yeah yeah just of course because she does have the line like
my heart is black and it beats for you yeah yeah there was another one earlier yeah it's supposed so

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of course like we as the audience know it's supposed to be her but she brings in Debra Joe Rupp
also known as Miss Kitty from that 70s show yeah because she grows a really good garden so now she's
a green thumb yeah yeah so I don't know we'll see where it goes I'm interested I think it's going to

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be very much so as it's going to be episodic I think each one of the witches clearly is going
to get them out of a scrape and they're going to show why they need each one of these particulars
and each one of their skill sets which makes me think that Debra Joe Rupp is going to reveal herself
probably not in the last episode but maybe the second last episode as an actual witch who's been

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like repressed or had her memory stolen or something like that where she finally discovers like oh no I
do deserve to be on the coven like right right and so I think it's going to be like oh who's going to
bail us out like at this juncture we're going to need the powers of the red witch and she's going
to pull through and get every and then the next seven that's my suspicion like but I almost avengers

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like in terms of all of the members prove their worth like they all prove like oh this is why I'm
on the team yeah I do like your there's there's obviously got to be more to it now and I think the
next I think there's nine episodes in the series so I think the next couple episodes are going to be
very much so like like we just describe it like we just describe and then they're going to have some
twist which I think they're telling us in Agatha Harkness Catherine Hans character like none of

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them trust her they're like yeah I'm not giving you your power backs you can either kill me or
steal my power like right I'm not stupid this is what you do she's like no no no no no no it'll be
different this time but trust me right totally hey buddy yeah hey hey this is Scorpion jump on the
back you know kind of situation it's my nature it's my nature so um I do also like the the
aspect of it's almost like an inverse uh Wizard of Oz where like the witches are following the

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yellowbeck road and at some point like maybe this is my own writing or or my own like fantasy but
like I kind of want to see the witch fight Dorothy okay like in a weird way they have to kill the
humane part of themselves in order to ascend as these all powerful witches well that's Agatha

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selling point is like don't you want to go back to what we were don't you want to don't you miss the
power don't you miss she's like yeah we got chased everywhere we went and burned you know burned at
the stake and all this other stuff yeah I really miss it she's like no no no no I mean the other
times like yeah it's part of it but nah man so I think it's going to be interesting though obviously
Aubrey Plaza I like her I'm interested to see who they just call him teenager whenever there's a

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kid that's obsessed with witches uh that that has uh took a liking to Agatha Harkness who he's like
a fanboy yeah he's the biggest like witch fanboy ever and he knows who Agatha Harkness is and at
one point they meet where they're in the fake cop world and he says some weird things in Latin and
apparently that helped break the spell to get Agatha to free her mind sure um free your mind

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and the witch will follow and the witch will follow right um so I'm interested to see who he is
um as when he went to go speak his name his mouth was sewn shut and then when she asked him later
in the car about his backstory the audio dropped and she kind of she started snapping in her ear
being like okay I can hear my snaps and then she turns on radio yeah she turns on the radio like

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I can hear the radio there's something spell or something that's right there's there's some sort of
incantation that she can't find out anything about him she just knows that he needs to be on the road
yeah his goal is to go on the road and he convinced her to take her there which kind of is intriguing
in a way because it builds a distrust between the characters in terms of she wants to know more

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about him and she can't but yet here he comes with all the right information of like I want to help
you get on the witch's road I want to help you build the coven and like as they go around and
you know uh interview the different you know potential members potential members he's always
saying the right thing he's crucial in the assembly he's always saying something that's going to he

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always knows exactly what to say in order to turn the tide to make the other witch join the coven
so like there's this very interesting dynamic of like okay this dude knows the rules but nobody
else does yeah but but in a weird way like we talked about earlier how like they're withholding
information like with with the the puppet masters or whatever like in this one yes they're intentionally

(02:10:03):
withholding information but they're putting it on front street and that's sort of the mystery of it
all yeah no that's that's true like I said the the other marvel shows would just wait to either
or finally reveal the the grand plan of how it's all coming together oh this person's going to betray
and it's always episode four so it is it is a nice change of pace and like I said I love the pacing
that they've in episode two I already know what's at stake what they're trying to accomplish and

(02:10:29):
what they have to lose yeah you know so I know what the characters want at least at this point
and and they all have their own individual personalities and I sort of get a feel for
what everybody's you know reason for being there their their reason to tear kind of thing yeah yeah
so I would say love the setup is what I'll say we'll see if the execution how it goes I'm sure

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sometimes nine episodes and marvel can be a little too long but so we'll see how it plays out but
I got a gun props on the setup I've been marvel tv's been kind of down recently between secret war
and I figured the one that came before that I didn't mind she told you to know I like Loki to a lot
but there was a couple of episodes where it got a little long Michael sees me looking at him right

(02:11:13):
now I know no they stuck the landing in Loki season to you can't argue that they stuck the landing
you do have to admit that there was a couple of episodes where it's just like okay this is obviously
just filler or like they're trying to create like a false cliffhanger where they just end the episode
on a new bit of information and then they pick up the next episode and that that piece of information

(02:11:35):
is instantly resolved you know yeah they did solve it pretty quick in the next episode it didn't
really last but I still really enjoyed loge season 2 though just thematically there was a lot of
things I'm like I'm rooting for this guy I think it hit more than it missed but okay I still have
problems just the look on your face was worse than what you I think we're trying to convey and so I
was judging you're like well I was like don't do it don't do it it's like this don't be that guy just

(02:11:58):
a contrarian no no no I I I like what they're doing with Agatha all along I will say it's theirs
to lose at this point it could turn real and I don't mean this mean there are some it could turn
very teenage CW show very quick there's a path for that to happen and that if that's where everything

(02:12:19):
is just like villain of the week or we drop a hint on the future and then we don't pick it up until
season two later well not yes but not that's not necessarily what I was referring to I don't really
have a great example I don't mean like the flash or or one of those I just mean like the CW caters
to a lot of like young middle school high school girls a lot and some of their shows

(02:12:44):
whether it be like Charmed or one of those things sure and it could turn into that real quick oh yeah
yeah yeah and so you're right it is theirs to lose is a good way to put it so if it is that that's
fine like for example Miss Marvel I still liked I was not the target audience for Miss Marvel
sure they let me know that pretty quick at least while I was like we're gonna I'm gonna still rock
with you I still like the the middle episode they had where she tried time traveled to India but

(02:13:08):
I learned very quickly that I was not the target audience for Miss Marvel right that's cool
this show it feels like I am so far but at least they have you hooked there it could it could pivot
into something being like oh this is kind of teeny bopper which we'll see I like the cast we'll see
so I mean I'm hopeful Catherine Hahn is already on the wall of fame so oh she is I mean for step

(02:13:29):
brothers oh she's so funny and step brothers she's so funny and step brothers and the goods so I vote
yes all day for that I'm down yeah it's uh I'm surprised you're out on opera I think the hype
of opera plaza the fact that so many people are in love with her makes you not no it really does come
from like how many times can you play the same character like it's almost like uh Adam Sandler

(02:13:55):
when he plays the the the idiot savants kind of thing like yes I appreciated you and happy
Madison or or happy Gilmore I appreciated you and in Billy Madison Billy Madison um even the
wedding singer but eventually you keep playing the same character like eventually you've got to
start doing like a punch drunk love or a uh not righteous gemstones uh uncut gems or like

(02:14:22):
you got to start showing a little bit more than what you've been cast for I think she has I just
don't think you've seen those movies it's possible yeah I'll admit that but a lot of that does come
from like well why don't want to see a re plaza playing the same part so yeah either way so I don't
I like the cast I'm signed up for Agatha all along I like the first two episodes we will keep you all

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posted in terms of our review anything else happy Halloween to each and every one of you
this should be oh wait we got to rate Agatha all along oh you want to rate it I will wait the first
we'll rate the first two episodes about that uh what would you rate it uh I'm gonna rate it uh
uh oh I'm gonna rate it all the characters going down the yellow brick road I like it I'm going

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to rate it the Salem 7-eleven where they stop and get slurpees before they you know go on their uh
they need the the sugar boost to really get them there you know they haven't probably dehydrated
they've been witches for like 800 years that's right get a little flavor a little sugar a little
water bam get a cramp a little bit down the road oh my god I love pumpkin spice lattes oh my god

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twa twa on that note on that note uh appreciate you doing this with me brother always man it's
a blast we ran a little long tonight but hey whatever so um man love you uh for those of you
out there I would recommend that you go watch a movie and talk about it with someone that you love
love blue blue

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