Episode #76 Conspiracy Theories, Mini-Vampires, and Dark Vengeance

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Hello, Legion.
Once again, welcome to the Whatcha Been Watching podcast.
I am your host, the...
...Interspective?
Marvelous Mike Dudley.
I just learned some things about myself.

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That's right.
Followed, as always, by my co-host, cohort, and youngest brother, MD3, Marcus Dudley, checking
in on a Y-O-U.
What is going on out there in Podcast Land?
We are broadcasting live from the Whatcha Been Watching studios right here in the crater
of Lake Jackson on the very north side of Tallahassee.

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Hope everybody out there is doing well.
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
What's going on with you, brother?
Just glad to be here, man.
Just glad to be here, man.
All right.
Let me laugh.
You look so shocked that I asked you a question, I'm like, we're in this together, my friend.
Anyways, I'm glad to be here too, man.

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are here in them streets.
I was picking up pennies from the wishing fountains trying to make a buck.
Your wish came true, it sounds like.
I wish for a hundred dollars.
I was out there, you know, pouring alcohol back into the non-alcoholic beers.
Oh, you know, it didn't seem right.

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Just eat bread if you don't want to.
I like the taste of beer.
No, you don't.
No, I actually had too many non-alcoholic beers recently because there was a power outage
or whatever.
And so I drank, I don't know, a couple of them while I was watching the game.
I still had like the beer stomach in the morning, like the bloat and the gas and stuff.
What the hell, man?

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I thought it was the alcohol that did it.
Turns out it's not.
Nope.
It's the beer.
The barley and the hops and shit.
When you carbonate bread.
Yeah, you get a little bloated the next day.
You learn something new every day.
Big shout out to Ketsa for opening intro, always bright.
Big shout out to Mr. A1 for always all the flavorful beats.

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That's right.
The man's a singer.
He's a dancer.
He's a beat maker.
He's a on deck Spider-Man villain.
Electro calls out.
He's like, one.
That's right.
I need a favorite.
He's like, you got it.
You got it.
We'll foil Spider-Man today.
Anyways, man.
Cursing.

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You web crawler.
What's going on with you, though, man?
Everything else all right, though?
Yeah, you know, you know, peeling back the curtain just a little bit, you know, just
recovering from the hurricane.
Thankfully didn't even really lose power.
We had a couple of branches go down in the yard, but no major damage, no trees fell or
anything.
But like, dude, we got real lucky.

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Like, you know, just a little bit, you know, I guess east of here, they got.
Yeah, they did again.
Sadly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We did.
Michael and I actually we did not want to be alone as there was a possible codependency.
I don't know unless you're the how you've been therapy podcast.

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Don't write us in because we don't want to hear it.
Well, no, you're not qualified.
I mean, OK, so the story was Liz, for one reason or another, had to stay the night at
the hospital for work reasons, not for injury or anything like that.
So I was all alone.
You're living out here by your onesie.
And I just kind of figured, like, I mean, if we're going to be miserable, let's at least
be miserable together.
So it was awesome, actually.

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We only had two quick power outages that lasted for about three seconds each.
But we did.
If we want to hit the subsection of what you've been playing.
Oh, yeah, we did actually conquer a game.
Well, we got pretty far in it, let's just say.
We did.
Oh, yeah, we did.
Yeah, we did.
Yeah.
I'm like Casey Jones.
That's right.
Yeah, we played Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Shredders Revenge, which was dope, man.

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I'm so glad that side scrolling beat them up co-ops are coming back.
It's like a true arcade fashion, man.
Yeah, it was fun, dude.
I mean, especially, you know, there's just something about playing with somebody else
and seeing how far you can get and just, you know, just the button mashing and the interconnectivity,
the cooperation of like, all right, dude, I really need that power up.

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But you got the next one, right?
Yeah, it's we were born pre internet.
You know, we're one of the few people that remember before after, you know, before it
was even the early stages when it was dial up and you could do the internet in about
a day.
In the before time.
Yeah, the long, long, long, long, long ago.
But I say all that to say like what we call couch co-op in terms of video games is a huge

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part of our lives.
Yeah.
So and we always dug.
I mean, they're one of three, you know, each of us.
So there's three deadly boys running around here.
So we always appreciated co-op games where you could at least, you know, even if it was
on the old school Nintendo, where only two people could play at a time.
It's like when you die, you give up the sticks, right?
Somebody else takes it.
Yeah.
So we always appreciated that.
I actually really enjoy those kind of games.

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So it was really fun to do that with you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like I just remember, you know, playing like Battletoads or something like that.
And there was always that one level we could never get past.
And everybody knows what we would try it over and over and over and over.
Speeder bikes.
It's impossible, especially on the Nintendo, because it doesn't render the pixels fast
enough.
Yeah.
It's like a game of like, I don't know, just going to weave left and right and hope I get

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to the end.
You're not going to.
Yeah.
But even it wasn't as bad on the other consoles.
If you play it on Genesis, it's still terrible.
But you have a you stand a bit of a better chance because it's not blanking out because
it's running so fast.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was fun.
Just, you know, I mean, we stayed up so I mean, not terribly late, but, you know, definitely
about one one fifteen.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
It was, you know, just boys sleep over, you know, braided our hair and stuff like that.
Right.
That's right.
Told each other secrets about who we have crushes on.
That's right.
It's the same two people we expected.
But no, I was cool to play.
We actually played the game.
So just a quick review, man.
I would it was totally tubular and I'd give it a hefty full box of pepperoni with a moment

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to reflect.
OK.
Yeah.
But I was fun, though, man.
I enjoyed it.
I mean, that's right up our alley, man.
And it's a it's a good old school side scroll beat them up, man.
Arcade style.
Glad there's a man to come back.
For sure.
For sure.
I will rate it all the nostalgia.
There you go, because it hit me in the it hit me in the personal level of of, you know,

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this type of game and it's coming back, but also, you know, kicking back turtles.
Yeah.
And Ninja Turtles, but also kicking back with you and, you know, the times we had and, you
know, just passing the time and on rainy days, you know, as such doing exactly what we were
doing.
So we could have been reading a book, but we weren't.
So yeah, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Shredders Revenge.

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Check it out.
The hearty reviews here all the way around.
Sure.
Anything else you want to talk about?
Oh, anybody that is being affected by these terrible, terrible storms, man, I our heart
goes out to you.
I know it's a doozy.
I know some people up in the Carolinas that got devastated and it's not been fun.
So I know.
Yeah, I know.

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If you're in a position to help, please do.
You know what I mean?
I know thoughts and prayers are good and all, but you know, I need to, you know, heed my
own advice and be more active and right helping people ahead of time and doing what I can
there.
Even if it's just donating.
But if you're in a position to by all means, even just a little bit, I'm sure a lot of
people really appreciate that.
And again, I need to heed my own advice and whatever it may be.

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So yeah, but I mean, don't get it twisted.
It doesn't have to be financial.
It could be.
I mean, go through your closet right now.
Go through your drawers and get rid of, you know, if there's an old T-shirt, a pair of
pants, you know, socks, underwears, toiletries, you know, those are all the things that are
so desperately needed right now.
You know, it's not just financial.
It's I mean, people have nothing.

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I mean, they have the clothes on their back and if they're lucky, a few bucks in their
pocket.
So yeah, it's tough, man.
Stuff.
So all that being said, philanthropy over.
Yeah, yeah.
Philandering over.
I mean, look, we put our public message out there.
It's like NBC, the more you know, that's right.

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All that being said, my brother, the reason that people tune in, tune out biweekly twice
a month, whenever it is you do for five minutes a week, whatever it may be, the reason why
they do such things, Michael, they need to know what you've been watching, my brother.
My man, I have recently watched in keeping the spooky season rolling through through

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the you know, through November.
It's all the fall.
It's all.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I mean, I think the focus, Pocus sat down with Liz.
You know, she said she hadn't seen that in a minute.
So sat down and watched it.
I don't really want to get too much into it just because we because it's not the Adams
family.
We got more Adams family talk on the way for the eighth time setting its own.

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It's breaking its own WVW record.
No, no, no.
Just I mean, I know we talked about it recently and it's not like it can add any like staggering
new insight to it.
So it's you know.
Yeah, I watched it for the first time in a very long time last Halloween and we talked
about it.
Yeah.
Still holds up though.
Still.
Oh, yeah.
It's not no new insights.
It's a fun, charming movie.

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You'll be spellbound.
It's family magic.
We bet that you mid blur enjoy it.
I tried look.
Also take to also Sarah Kajar parker's horse face.
I don't know.
Whatever that bit will never die.

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Anyways, what else have you been watching my guy?
Let's see.
After that, I watched we had shitty movie night with with the crew.
I'm always invited to I'm just too lame.
I'm like, I'm going to sit around here and watch football.
I do personal things that I need to do.
Hey, man, we all we all have our you know, sometimes you got to break away from the friend
group and focus on yourself and that's OK.

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Yeah, miss you though.
Yeah, yeah.
I always appreciate the invites.
Anyway, sat down and watched quite possibly the worst movie I've ever seen in my life.
Oh, for real?
Yeah.
You've watched a lot of bad ones with this group.
I particularly I do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So for all those people out there who think that all we do is just try to shine on movies

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and like it was great and it was in color and I like the voices.
And yeah, I'm guilty of this thing.
No, this movie was legitimately awful.
It was called Ankle Biters.
It was terrible.
It was wrong in every type of way.
So in order to understand this this journey, I'm going to take you on.

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I need to read you the back of the box as it was sold to me by my friend Glenn.
Shout out to Glenn.
Yeah.
The proprietor of such terrible films.
And I read and it goes a little something like this.
Don't look down a small town is overrun by ankle biting blood sucking dwarf vampires.

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Things get complicated when the vertically challenged coffin creepers get their itty
bitty hands on a sword with the blood of the last slain tall vampire.
With this relic, they can create a super race of shack sized Dracula's out of any tall human.

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Now the half vampire, half human Drexel is the town and the world's only hope to stop
the countryside invasion of the many demons.
There are no short fixes to this tall problem.
I knew us tall people would become for one day and night.

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By the way, I want you to dive into this movie.
But the idea that they're dwarf vampires, there's an ongoing joke in South Park and
they've talked about it on some of the commentary of the DVDs before.
But the joke is that there's a where per con of a vampire per con.

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And it was a leprechaun that got bit by a vampire and then also was bit by a werewolf.
So there's an episode where Butters is dressed up as a were per con.
And I think I think Matt Stone or Trey Parker wanted to do it for a long time, but they
just couldn't figure out how to make it work.

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And so then they just throw it in randomly.
You'll see where per cons are out there.
And that's what that reminds me of.
The vampire.
Yeah, yeah, it's oh, it's it's equally as ridiculous as that South Park episode.
Yeah, it's it's pretty bad, man.
And it looks like it was shot on like a 1991 Sony handy cam like a flip phone or a potato.

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I don't know.
Filmed by why do y'all do this to yourselves?
You could watch better movies.
But then we don't have the fun of experience of being like, oh, this movie is shit, right?
Are you guys seeing the same pile of crap that I'm seeing?
Nice.
I don't know.
I'd like to say that it was so bad that it came.
It went all the way around and became good again, like the room or or, you know, like

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to a more well known extent, like Starship Troopers or something like that.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, Starship Troopers rules first.
I agree.
But some people that movie so bad, it goes all the way around.
I'm going for the for the popular.
No, I get it.
But I will say if Star Trip Starship Troopers does do that, then it does it better than
any other movie.
Agreed.
No, I get you.
Like Let In The Hood is so bad.

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It's just like this is awesome.
You can laugh at it and not feel bad.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.
This movie does not do that.
It's just plain bad from beginning to end execution.
So like, for example, the back of the box talks about how there's this sword and if they
stab some human in the heart with it, then they can all of a sudden make regular sized

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vampires or like giant vampires or whatever.
But the guy that they get to play the giant vampire is just like he just looks he's like
some big bulky bouncer like or like indie pro wrestler or something like that.
He's just shaved head and bad tattoos and like he's not big.
He's not like Andre the Giant or, you know, like great Khalid big.

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He's just like, I mean, he chunky, you know, he husky, but big giant.
No.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They probably couldn't afford that.
They probably wanted Shaquille size guy.
And okay.
So but even even the.
So hang on before you do that.
So if I'm right, they need to use the sword to stab a tall person, a normal.

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So normally it could be just anybody.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
I thought I had to be a tall person.
I'm like, well, what is the cutoff?
Like, because like we're going six one, like, okay, you're technically tall.
You're above average.
But like, that's not intimidating.
Like, you know, five foot seven is pretty.
Yeah.
Like, what are we talking about?
Are we going like, is it six, three and a half and above?
You know, so what if they got a thyroid problem?

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It's a glandular issue.
I was just curious.
I thought I had to be a tall person, but just tall to them.
The regular dude.
Sure.
Yeah.
What's a five, six Tom Cruise empire running around.
They're like, we did it.
I think Bruno Mars was like five, four.
And that guy can write a song.
Sure can.
The dude can dance his ass off.

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But yeah.
So the whole premise of them needing the sword, like you would think that that would be like
some third act plot twist or something like that.
You know, like the heroes have to go prevent this one act of they if they stab this guy
in the chest, then he's going to bring back all the vampires and then the humanities fucked.

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No, they just literally stabbed some dude in the chest like 15 minutes into the movie and
then literally throw the sword on the ground and walk away and never reference it again.
They're like, our Messiah is here now.
We're good.
Just coast feet up.
Yeah.
And then and then so the newly made tall vampire just starts making regular size vampires.

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So the whole aspect of little dwarf vampires just goes away because you just killed that
gimmick like wait.
So they abandon the ankle biters like immediately.
I mean, they come back literally in the very last scene, but no, that from that point on,
it's an army of just like regular sized vampires.
That's weak.
Exactly.
You see what I'm saying?

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Like if you get your hands on a bunch of like little people playing vampires, you use them
in every scene you can.
Right?
Yeah, that's the man you baited in the switch for no reason.
Even if you recycle the same for little people actors.
Right.
Well, like which there was more than.
Yeah, I'm just saying that's fine with me.
Yeah, I don't bait and sweet.

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I can go see a regular vampire movie anytime I want.
Can't watch bad little people vampires with swords or Drexel slayings and whatever.
Man, speaking of Drexel, speaking of Drexel, this actor based his entire character strictly
on the Wesley Snipes blade.
Oh, for real?
He talks like this the entire time, but they don't use any microphones or ADR and they're

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filming with a Sony handy cam from 20 feet away.
So all you hear is like this.
I promise I'm real tough.
I promise.
If you lean in, I'll tell you about my laryngitis.
Dude, he could have it could have been Gus Van Sant level of dialogue.
And I wouldn't have known because you're 20 goddamn feet away recording on a Sony handy

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cam and nobody can hear you.
Oh, and also you're standing in the middle of a of a abandoned warehouse that echoes
like hell.
So anything you're saying, you're just getting washed out and they're like, bruh, bruh, bruh,
bruh, bruh, bruh, bruh.
It's like the first Star Fox game.
Well, well, well, well, well, well, well, and he and he never goes above like like a

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stage whisper.
Like you ever been in a play where like you're supposed to whisper, but you got to still
be loud.
So you're like, so then you talk like this.
Yeah.
Like I've listened to enough ASMR.
Right.
Exactly.
Exactly.
So he's doing that the entire movie.
Yeah.
And he's wearing his granddad's leather coat and sunglasses the entire movie.

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Does the duster look rad, though?
No, no.
It looks like he's wearing his granddad's old old duster.
Like just take your granddad's pea coat out of the basement.
I think it's packed up with the Christmas belongings.
Now you got to have you're going to be that cool and named Drexel.
You got to have a whole outfit ready to roll for the apocalypse and your ability to stop
it.

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First, I got to run to Goodwill and see what they got there.
If I can somewhat like just or just wear like a leather motorcycle jacket.
How about that?
Or just don't base it on Wesley Snipes blade because it's already been done.
Like do your own thing.
You know, like what's your take on a vampire slayer?
He's like, it just happened.

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He's like, I dreamed this up when I was a child.
It was exactly like Wesley Snipes blade.
I'm seeking litigation against New Line Cinema today.
Today.
Yeah, I mean, Wesley Snipes was a pretty good blade.
Let's be honest.
There's only been one.
That's pretty funny, though.

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So like what in terms of it, I assume it was like a eighty dollar budget, right?
I assume it was written probably on a cocaine bender and green lit immediately.
Oh, this thing was made on probably a meth deal and access to to little people.
That I mean, literally, that's the only reason this was made was some dude was like, shit,

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I got this handy cam here.
I got a whole like the group I was with.
We couldn't decide if it was like one of those like micro like wrestling organizations or
whatever.
So we were watching at the end credits and it said like the Tennessee tiny players or
whatever.
Maybe some sort of acting troupe or improv group or or basketball group.

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I don't know.
I'll tell you what it was is they were all probably under the same agent and that agent
wanted to become a manager because as we know from Bojack Horseman, managers, managers can
produce it's like coming to produce something.
Get all my guys on to let them know that they can then officially put on their cars that
they're working actors.
There you go.

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There you go.
Yeah, this thing was made on a meth bender and a ham sandwich.
That's that was that was the price of this movie.
Oh, man.
Dwarf Empire is where it takes place in the middle of bum fuck nowhere.
It's not like they were shooting on the outskirts of Chicago or L.A.
It's literally like some drive through pod on town, like one stop line and one stoplight.

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And if you're lucky, they got a dollar general that has something relevant that you need
from out of town.
Oh, this one has B.C. powder.
All we got is Advil tablets in the ritz now.
My goodness.
I don't know, man.
I mean, I can appreciate those movies to a certain extent, but they exhaust me in the

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same way to say I can I can take so much bad movie and it's I got to really be able to
laugh at it in order for it to stay with me.
But did how long was it like in and out?
Ninety minutes.
Probably even less.
No, no.
It was like two hours and 20 minutes, bro.
No, you're kidding.
No, I'm totally.
I think it was.
Yeah, I think it topped out at about 80 something minutes.

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Yeah, you might rock with me on that one.
It was so bad, Marcus.
Like I made it.
What made it worse than the other bad movie?
Because you guys make it a point to watch bad movies.
What made this one worse?
So the whole time that we were watching the movie, my group was writing a better movie
just based on the elements that they had.
Like, OK, so we have access to a podunk town.

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We have access to, you know, little people, actors.
We have access to a bucket of fake blood and vampire teeth.
And we were writing a better movie as it was than whatever was happening on screen.
And like I said, it was just wasted opportunity.
You don't build up this sword in the first five minutes of this is the relic, this is

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the MacGuffin, this is the thing that's going to drive the movie.
And then you shoot your load and get rid of the sword 15 minutes in.
They're like, mission accomplished.
We can coast to victory now.
Yeah, exactly.
We're one tall vampire.
But and it's never even like the good guys never go to pick it back up like, oh, well,
if we just get the sword, then we can reverse this through some vampire magic.

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Who do whatever?
Exactly.
Plot twist, you know.
So do they have a resident sword expert that knew about the sword?
No, it looks like one of those that you order off of HBC.
I don't mean it's got a dragon on the blade.
Don't get me started on Cutlery Corner.
We used to get hammered and die laughing at Cutlery Corner.
We would watch that for hours and hours and call into the show.

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Oh my God.
I look at this.
This is Japanese forged steel steel.
Now you stab a tall person with this.
You will turn to a vampire.
Oh, look at that.
It cut me right there, but it didn't get me in the heart.
You see if it got me in the heart.
Yeah, no, those guys.
There's only 137 of these in production right now, but we're going to get them to you as
quick as we can.

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Now, what would you pay for that?
Marcus $200.
I'll tell you what, I'm going to cut that in half.
I'm going to make it $99.99.
Five easy payments.
I love Cutlery Corner.
Watching those two buffoons trying to pretend like they're samurai and be like, we're going
to cut this cardboard.
Look how sharp that is.
It's a piece of paper, dude.

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But no, I guess my question was in all those movies, and anytime there's some mystical
relic, there's always some character that knows the rules of it.
There was just.
No.
You know, you know, like the character type I'm talking about.
I mean, there was one dude and they use him in the first five minutes to explain like
this is the sword that has the blood of the last tall slain vampire on it.

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And if they use it, then it's going to.
But then they never go back to him.
I don't think.
I don't know.
Like, hmm.
Because like I said, those guys are always in every movie or or gals or whoever.
Somebody always knows something.
I'd be some local of like the legend says of this and they can explain the rules of
what's going on.
No, no, nothing.
No, no, no.
But they use that guy specifically for an exposition dump to let the audience know.

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Like here's the plot point.
You know, like we would have stabbed you, but you're a nerd.
We don't want a bunch of dorky ass vampires running around.
I am an archaeologist.
We're just going to shoot you.
Dig that up.
Dig that up.
Anyway.
Yeah, it was.
Oh God.
Just wasted opportunities, wasted plot points.

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I mean, like I said, once they bring in the tall vampires and the many vampires take a
seat kind of what's the point?
You already hooked me in with the many vampires.
Like now you're going to cover up Frankenstein's monster and hope for the better.
Like, no, come on, man.
The monkey don't go back in the bottle.
They say Pandora can't go back in the bag.

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And like the soundtrack, everything sounded like it was the sample track off of the Casio
Keyboard that you get, you know, like the one that they always have jazz and you're
like, yeah, yeah.
Or they have like club scene.
Oh my God.
They tried to recreate the Blade Bloodrave scene.
When was this movie made?
Obviously Post Blade.
Yeah.

(26:48):
Oh my God.
Yeah.
But I mean, maybe I don't know, 2000, 2001.
I mean, like right after way.
I mean, but still old enough to where they shouldn't be filming it on like the same camera
that your grandma recorded.
You're you're christening on, you know, you're like the Blair Witch Project looked
better in terms of cinematography and production.

(27:09):
I've taken shits that have looked better in terms of cinematography.
They shot this thing through a jar of Vaseline.
It's everything's out of focus.
It's blurry edges.
You know, did you ever see the CKY, the Bam Margera, where they have the circle fish eye
lens?
Yeah, they use that for no reason for just shits and giggles because somebody forgot

(27:32):
to take the lens off and that's what they're using right then.
Don't know why.
Just shows up randomly.
Like that could have been cool.
Like many vampire vision, you know, like they did with like American Werewolf in London or
Predator or something like that.
No, just just randomly cuts to just circle vision.
CKY.
That is one of my favorite shots in all of old movies that have a monster is when you

(27:53):
get like monster vision.
It's like, like you said, like a fish eye lens or you hear like a scurrying or like
a scuttling.
And it's like somebody or like a musical score.
Yeah, or they do it a lot in Chucky or whatever, you know, like get in the little car or whatever
and he follows around.
But then every time the person turns around, you can't see him.
Right.
He's just laying there or he's scampering like, you know, Scooby Doo style from like

(28:14):
in between doorways.
Yeah.
But you see it from his perspective.
I love those shots and they need to do those as often as possible.
I agree.
They don't do it in this one, especially when it's like an animal.
I'm like, go back to Gator vision.
I want to see the Gators in the house.
I want to know what I get.
Like an anaconda where it was just the film stock, but it was just green tent.
Yeah.

(28:35):
It wasn't even like it wasn't even like they put a lens on it.
They just went in and just digitally colored it green.
Just everything's green now.
I just changed the color aspect on this one.
We're good.
Oh yeah.
Just wasted opportunities.
Just and it looked like shit.
The soundtrack sounded like, oh man, like video game pause music.

(28:58):
Yeah.
But non James Bond 007.
No, of course.
That's the highest quality you can get.
It doesn't get no better than that.
Yeah.
Just horrible.
Just horrible all around and cannot dis recommend this one enough.
I'm going to give it no fangs.
Michael created a new dis recommend.
Oh man.

(29:19):
I will say the one cool thing that I did like that that was consistent was the little mini
vampires don't bite you on the neck.
They bite you on the ankle.
Yeah.
They're better.
Right?
Yeah, man.
That would be all out for me if you're going to sit there and call it ankle biters and
actually have to jump up to bite you in the neck.
What are we doing here?

(29:40):
We're already getting rid of them in five minutes in the movie.
We're throwing out the sword.
What are we doing?
We can at least make them bite a fucking ankle.
They didn't ADR this at all.
And so it's these like little people with these huge vampire teeth coming out of the
mouth.
So they're all talking like this and they're trying to sound so intimidating.
Nobody thought to be like, all right, cut.

(30:01):
Let's just not roll sound on this one.
We'll come back and loop that.
We'll just ADR it when you don't have the teeth in.
This is the place where we will take the sword.
I want them to ADR it with the teeth back in.
I want the worst ADR you can get.
That'll get points for me.
It's so bad.
It's so bad.

(30:21):
Oh man.
Speaking of ADR, you know who did Richard Pryor's ADR?
Cause he would never read, he would never do those things.
Chris Rock?
No.
Eddie Murphy?
It was uncle Joey from full house.
Dave, uh, how do you say his last name?
Coolie?
Coolie.
Yeah.
Oh, Mr. You ought to know.
Yeah.
Yeah, for real.
The same.

(30:42):
Yeah.
Allegedly that song is written about him, but no, he confirmed it was written about
him.
Nice.
Uh, Richard Pryor.
Nice.
The movie he played a doctor or whatever.
I forget what it's called, but whatever.
It doesn't matter.
Yeah.
I saw that.
It came up on my timeline the other day.
So you're speaking about ADR.
I would have never known that, but that's going to be
Really?
Dave Coolie going in and being like, I'll tell you what motherfucker.
Yeah.
Pretty much.

(31:03):
I'm glad you stopped.
You got one line.
That was good.
That was good.
That was my best Richard Pryor I could do.
It wasn't bad.
It wasn't bad actually.
It's not like Eddie Murphy.
It was like a bad impression of Eddie Murphy trying to do that.
I'll take it.
I'll take it.
I'll take it for sure.
You're going for it.
Getting better.
There you go.
So anyways, we're talking about bad ADR.
I thought I'd throw that in there.
So, uh, what was the name of the ankle biters?
What do you review?

(31:23):
Oh, you know fangs at all?
No fangs at all.
No fangs.
No fangs.
You know, thank, oh, there you go.
Let's go take two.
Um, what else you been watching my guy?
Let's see.
After that, I watched, um, war for the planet of the eight,
the Woody Harrelson one.
Yes, sir.
Third of the third of the quadrilogy.
Yes.
Yeah.

(31:44):
jump after this movie, so.
Not by much, there's a more time jump from
in between Rise of the Planet of the Apes
and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes.
No, I meant after war to the new one,
the Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes.
Oh yeah, yeah, it's like, it's decades, yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is like, the new one I think takes place officially
after the apes have taken over and we're having the,

(32:07):
you know, the Taylor reality where humans are cavemen
once again and whatnot.
Noise.
Yeah, damn dirty apes.
Anyway, War for the Planet of the Apes.
Harrowing, it was amazing to watch this conflict of ideals.
It really was two nations going to war

(32:32):
and over the silliest thing.
It's, like how do I put it?
It's almost an indemnation of American foreign policy
in terms of, you know, oh, this country over here
has established their own regime.
We gotta come in and fuck it up because it's counter to

(32:53):
our, you know, to our policy or to our best interests
or what have you.
And yeah, you kind of throw in a little bit of like,
at this point in the story, apes, you know,
the simian virus or whatever has wiped out like 98%
of the population and there's just pockets of humanity
struggling to hold on.
So like there is the aspect of like Woody Harrelson
and his cadre of troops seeks some sort of vengeance,

(33:15):
some sort of like, well, if we can just wipe out
all the apes, then, you know, we'll somehow be able
to reclaim our planet kind of thing.
I have only seen that movie once and I saw it in theaters
when it came out, but I do remember they did a good job
of as much as you, as Woody Harrelson plays
a very despicable, he has no mercy for the apes.

(33:37):
No, none whatsoever.
Like brutally murders a lot of them.
Yeah.
There is an aspect of you can understand
where he's coming from only in the sense
of he truly believes that this is all for survival
and that his rage is what fuels him to do said things.
But it is our back is against the wall.
And while certainly it's a fictitious, you know,

(34:00):
chain of events.
God, I hope so.
Well, yeah.
It is also one of those things where anybody
with their back against the wall that feels like,
you know, you cage the tiger, you corner the tiger,
whatever, and then, you know, there's gotta be
a retaliation, you know.
Backs against the wall, pity the other guy.
Yeah, it's one of those situations.
So it's, they do a good job of humanizing him,

(34:22):
certainly flaws and all, because he's a very flawed
individual, but you, it's believable in the sense
of where he's coming from.
And as like, it became almost a religious,
zealotous movement that he, yeah, for him and his cause.
You can see how they got there.
It's like, oh yeah, oh yeah.
We're not bowing, we're not bending, we're not ever.

(34:42):
And it's.
And they definitely do play up the aspect of,
he is almost like a Colonel Kurtz, you know,
like Apocalypse Now, kind of like religious figure.
You know, he's not necessarily Christ-like,
but he's the new movement, he's the new religion,
he's the new like, it's just bullets and bodies of apes.
You know, it's reclaiming this country one by one.

(35:05):
And you know, they introduced the idea that the
Simeon virus has mutated again, and so now it's causing
people to lose their speech and become simple.
I don't, how do I put this?
It's, they're.
They lose cognitive functions.
Cognitive functions, yes, yeah.
Higher cognitive functions.

(35:25):
Yeah, and then like, speech is one of the first ones to go.
Which there's a terrifying scene at the end
when he's finally about to meet his maker.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
When he can't talk, the virus got him too.
Exactly, yeah.
Now it's all for nothing.
Exactly, exactly, yeah, yeah, and yeah.
But in a weird way, you know, certainly it wasn't,

(35:49):
if under Caesar's vision of in the previous two movies,
like this movie culminates, obviously it's the third
in the trilogy, like under Caesar's vision,
there was a world of coexistence that could have happened.
But unfortunately, it wasn't all just,
of course the humans screwed it up.
There were humans that screwed it up too,
but there were also apes that screwed it up too.

(36:11):
I mean, we talked about how Coba, you know,
being responsible for the spark that ignited
the whole powder keg.
Yeah, and then the slow, it's very animal farm
in the sense of like, when Coba starts to use guns
in the other one, and it's like, oh,
and then they start to use horses and all this other stuff.
It's like, oh, so it does become kind of animal farmish

(36:32):
in the sense of like, farmish,
in the sense of they bend the rules as they go.
The people in power are then allowed to do certain things
that other people were not allowed to.
No kill apes, and it's like, well.
And then all of a sudden, ape kill ape.
Ape kill ape, yeah, and it escalates from there.
And so it's not, they do a good job in that movie
of striking the balance of how they got there,

(36:53):
and the third one being like.
And this one is just all out brutal war.
Yeah, and the apes are retaliating in the sense of,
well, the human beings are dying from a virus.
We're looking at you progress and progress and progress
to the point of our own obsolescence.
It's like, we're not going out with a whimper.
And so you can understand that.
And so you couple that with the idea of the apes

(37:14):
already have their own internal visions
of how the world is supposed to be,
and one is we can actually help the humans, but you know.
Oh no, at this point, they, I mean,
when Woody Harrelson's character,
and I can't remember his name.
Woody Harrelson's character.
Yeah, just Colonel Kurtz, whatever.
Colonel Clique.
Yeah.
I know nothing.

(37:36):
Schultz.
Yeah.
Nobody had the Hogan's heroes on the bingo card today.
Anyways, go ahead.
Woody Harrelson's character, when he does.
Oh, when he initially strikes against the ape village,
and basically massacres not only half the tribe,

(38:01):
but Caesar's wife, his child,
the apes cut and run, you know.
And so the whole premise of the movie
is Caesar trying to backtrack and find the humans
and see if there's a way that he can personally
kill Woody Harrelson, because once he kills that,

(38:21):
then essentially the messianic message is over.
You know, once you kill, you know,
once you put Christ on the cross,
the Christians are gonna go away, right?
Right, right.
Maybe.
Yeah, potentially.
It doesn't really work.
It's a good way to put it, though.
And again, I've only seen the movie once.
I remember there being a little girl
that Caesar starts to look after as well.

(38:41):
And so I remember Caesar.
She's the first iteration of the mutated virus
that they find.
They come across a village or an abandoned town
where everybody's dead, and it's just her and her dad.
And you know, he's suffering from the same ailment,
she's, you know, mute and decline cognitive skills
and stuff like that, so.

(39:02):
Yeah, and so Caesar takes a liking to her,
which he still has.
He's forced into.
It's through some series of events,
he's basically forced to.
His second in command basically says,
if we leave her to die, we're no better than the humans.
You know, it's at this point, she has nobody.
We have to take care of her, at least to get her
to the next batch of humans and give her a chance.

(39:24):
Yeah, so I think Caesar's wasn't quite
as militant about it yet though, was he?
After they kill.
After they kill his, yeah, then it's when the war.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's when the war kicks in.
I do remember there was some badass sequences
of him on that horse riding through the flames
with the two machine guns.
I remember joking about that when I was watching it.
I was like, anytime, I think it was when I was talking

(39:45):
to little brother Bootsy, we were talking about,
anytime we get to see apes on horseback
firing fully automatic weapons in an army,
like sign me up, whatever plot points we need
to get to this point where we got an ape jumping
through flames on a horse firing AR-15s
or whatever it was into the air,
whatever military grade weaponry into the air.

(40:05):
They storm a castle, like get me there.
It's like you've said before, you know,
like all you really want in a movie
is just show me something I've never seen before.
Show me something that's going to shock,
amaze or confound me, take me there, you know?
And this movie definitely delivers that
in terms of A, Woody Harrelson's performance
is completely unhinged and he is so good at what he does.

(40:28):
I mean, just dripping with narcissism and ego,
but also this underlying current of like vicious rage
that you're just, you just know he's some sort
of like Pol Pot dictator, Stalin-esque, you know,
like tyrant, you know, like all it takes is for you

(40:49):
to just disagree with him one time
and you've got a bullet in the back of your head
where you're going to the Gulag for the rest of your life
or something like that, you know?
He's just, and he's so worshiped by his fans,
you know, they chant his military mantras
as their workout every day, you know?
I mean, he's got them in the belief he offered them
something that they needed, you know, that's all.

(41:11):
Yeah. Hope, he talks about that.
And that's all it is, I offer something that you need
and they flip it into this salvation-esque kind of thing.
But I mean, really, that's all you do.
I mean, if I know I'm struggling, you know,
financially or whatever, and if somebody,
even if I disagreed with a lot of things,
if they offered me a way out in terms of like,
hey, we got this job or whatever, this opportunity,

(41:33):
like I'm going to hear them out.
And then you start saying the right things
and you mentioned like how bad it is where I'm at
and you vilify them as the reason why.
I mean, without, I'm going to touch this very lightly,
but that's ultimately how World War II kind of began to happen.
You galvanize a bunch of people in the way that-
It's them, they're the reason for all of this.
And so, and then you also, the message of like,
but I can get you to what you want,

(41:54):
which in this analogy that we're doing, you know,
we'll get you financially secured if you do these things.
You're saying that I already have the hope and the dream.
It's not your fault that you're broke,
it's the bank's fault or it's your employer's fault
or it's the, whatever the galvanizing them is.
Well, yes, that, but I'm saying the salvation part of it
or the answer to it, it's like the idea of like,

(42:15):
nobody's ever sold me weed, you know what I mean?
I want the weed.
You're just happened to be the person that is in between it.
I want the financial stability.
You're just the person pitching it to me.
Like you never sold me shit on this.
You're just the guy that's going to get us there.
These people in this movie, all the humans,
like they want security, they want their world back.

(42:37):
They want the life they knew back
or they want a bigger piece of the pie.
They wanted that long before Woody Harrelson came along.
He's just the guy, the man of action
and the plan to do it.
Now follow me.
Yeah, that's all it is, man.
So that's why that movie works so well.
I'm gonna build the bridge.
All you gotta do is put in the labor.
Yeah, and that's all it is, man.
And so in the same thing on the other side,
if Caesar would have had his vision,

(42:58):
it could have been a world of cohabitation
until the virus came along and sped up the,
what's the word I'm looking for?
Not the conflict, but the rivalry between them.
Sure, sure, yeah.
There's a word I'm looking for, I can't find it.
Yeah, rivalry.
Yeah, the confrontation.
The hatred began to spew in terms of like,
oh, there's something that we're blaming you

(43:18):
for this Simeon virus, which ultimately turns out
it was the humans that created it in the first place.
But they don't know that.
Most people are blind to things like that.
So now we're dwindling in numbers and we're watching you
grow and man, like I said, then somebody comes along
saying the things I like to hear.
It's a powder keg, man.
It's a powder keg.
Sad part is Woody Harrelson was the match too.

(43:41):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
But it just goes to show that all it takes
is just the right words and you can mobilize
and unionize people against anything, anything.
Anyway, the other thing I wanted to point out,
not to cut that topic off.

(44:01):
It was just interesting the different dichotomy
between the two leaders in terms of Caesar
is a leader of his people.
He has no direction but he has absolute loyalty.
He doesn't know, he questions himself.
Am I doing the right thing?

(44:23):
What's best for my people?
How do I navigate the turbulent waters of politics
and interactions and the own dilemmas
even within my own people, that the power struggles there,
let alone outside forces.
Whereas Woody Harrelson is solely consumed by direction

(44:49):
and yet holds almost equally the same power.
And it's sort of like Caesar is a leader
because his people trust him,
because they know that he worries about them.
He worries about their best interests
and is he doing the right thing.

(45:11):
Whereas Woody Harrelson's people love him
because he is singularly minded.
He has one direction, it is forward
and we are going to climb that fucking mountain.
I hear you in the sense of
it's a hierarchy of needs thing too.
If we don't do this as humans, we die.
So survival's pretty low in the hierarchy of needs
in terms of food, water, shelter, that's first.

(45:33):
When those things begin to feel threatened,
it's like we're not achieving the top of the hierarchy
of self-actualization.
We're not getting anywhere close to that
until we take back what is ours.
And so that's why.
And while they're not fighting amongst themselves
at this point because they're not afforded to.
It's like this guy's gotten his food, water, shelter,
okay, what's the next plan in this?

(45:54):
So when somebody's scratching those itches for you,
you don't worry about the thinking.
We're not fighting amongst ourselves right now.
We can't afford that.
While prosperity amongst the apes is beginning,
prosperity can branch in different directions
because people begin to want different things.
Well, Caesar sees it this way and well,
I wanna be a grape farmer.

(46:15):
Well, screw grapes.
We need to begin to use that land for horses
so we can travel outwards or whatever it may be.
But you can only do that under prosperity.
When the hierarchy of needs gets cut in half,
it's like, yo, where's the next meal coming from?
It does give you clarity.
It's shitty clarity, but it gives it to you.
But there is something to that, like if I'm starving

(46:38):
in the wilderness, I'm not necessarily contemplating
what Emily Bronte was trying to say.
Right, right.
There's a hierarchy of like, shit,
I need to find something to eat or I'll die.
Yeah.
And yeah, there is something to that in terms of,
you have to be able to afford a life of luxury
to be introspective or be artistic

(47:02):
or pursue the finer things, quote unquote.
I hate to say that because I think that they are inherently
art and language and communication and storytelling.
Well, social aspect.
Social is one of the higher, is later on in the hierarchy.
But yeah, like the social comfort and love is another one.
But it's still as necessary as food.

(47:24):
Yeah.
In my mind, it's not a hierarchy.
It's all the same thing.
It's a big pizza, not a ladder.
Yeah, well, I mean, it's kind of how a hierarchy works
is more.
But that's what I hear what you're saying, though.
You're pitching it in terms of they all.
You've got to have all the ingredients to make it a pizza.
It's not necessarily a ladder of like, if I get this,
then I get this, then I get this.

(47:45):
They're all important.
Yeah, no, it's mostly like, I can't worry about the things
higher if my basic ones aren't met.
Once the basic things come and my security with those
is found, then I can begin to focus on things like social.
Like, OK, then I can go out and make we can build a community.
And with that community, then I can find love.
And then I have money to go on a date.
Yeah, exactly.

(48:06):
I have a date so I can build a family.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that's what it is.
And I think that's where Woody Harrelson's character,
in a weird way, has the advantage.
While his numbers are smaller, they have a lot less to lose.
Sure.
Well, maybe not.
They have a lot more to lose, but less.
It's all or nothing.
Yeah, yeah.
Right, right.
If we don't do this, it's all gone anyway.

(48:26):
So like, this is try it.
This is the final strike.
So hey, so General Custer's last stand, as it were.
That might be a bad example historically, but OK.
Well, that's what happens.
I was going to say maybe the Greeks or the Spartans.
I don't know.
Well, you know.
A little bit of a better sales pitch.

(48:47):
What was Geronimo doing?
What was his story?
Jumping out of planes.
Yeah, apparently.
Geronimo.
Apparently.
So anything else on that movie?
I mean, it's just brilliant.
CGI is, or the visual effects are incredible.
Yeah, yeah.
Incredible.
Shout out to Andy Serkis.
We mentioned him before, but the work he did.
Underrated performance of a lifetime.

(49:08):
Certainly, I'm inducting him to the wall of fame.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Just for his advancement in the way CGI is done or mocap is done.
I mean, he's the king.
When you look at innovators in film,
you got like the Lumiere brothers.
You've got Steven Spielberg, Andy Serkis.

(49:29):
Yeah, no, you ain't kidding.
Ain't kidding at all.
Do you want to rate it, review it?
Or you got more on it?
No, that pretty much covers it.
I would watch it just because Woody Harrelson is amazing.
And it really does show the breadth and capability
of his acting.
I mean, he goes from being, in the beginning, completely

(49:50):
terrifying and this sadist, militant, just singularly
death-driven individual.
And then he morphs into a sympathetic character.
And you see where he's coming from.
And he has a little softer side.
You see where he's coming from.

(50:10):
And then by the end, he's come right back around to where,
like, oh, no, he's just an asshole.
And he's just a bloodthirsty maniac, which, again,
you can understand how he got there.
It doesn't show up.
But even at the end, without giving too much away,
he starts making decisions that are counterproductive
to his own wants and needs.
It's just purely driven by, like, I can't lose,

(50:32):
which is not something you want in a leader,
to blindly drive forward in the face of loss.
Yeah, the old double down.
That's right.
Anyways, no, what do you rate it, though?
I'm going to give it a double performance

(50:54):
by both Andy Serkis and Woody Harrelson.
Why you say that?
Because they're both the ones to watch.
Oh, oh, oh, I hear you.
It's like chess pieces, you know?
I thought you meant, like, both of them did mocap,
and both of them played soldiers.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I got you.
The conflict of interest, and yet,
how they're so similar is so interesting and fun to watch.

(51:18):
Yeah, that's a good review.
I like that.
I would give it a bundle of sticks
that is somehow stronger altogether
than they are individually.
Apes together strong.
There you go.
What else have you been watching, my guy?
That was a good talk, but I liked that discussion.
Me too.
That was one of the benefits of doing this,
is we talk about a movie, and then we

(51:39):
spring into other different topics,
and I get to hear your opinions.
Yeah, more authentic than they usually are.
No, I'm just kidding.
You guys get it all the real.
But anyways, what else have you been watching, though, my guy?
After that, man, I saw Agatha all along,
the most recent episode.
The episode four, I think.
Three and four, yes, sir.
Oh, no.
OK, well, me too.
OK, OK.

(52:00):
Do you want to maybe, let's put a pin in that, if we can, maybe?
Yeah, absolutely.
We've got to talk about that.
Yeah, OK.
So maybe we'll close with that so we can both
have something to talk about.
Sounds good.
Sounds good.
All right, well, in the between time,
let's take a break from our sponsor, the Shinra Electric
Corporation, and we'll talk about that in a minute.

(52:23):
Be right back.
But first, let's get rid of this inflexible
pile of worn out boards.
And they get to cut up, bowing our backs.
But we have plenty of time on our presents.
On the blackboard, there's, of course,
the
wooden plate, of course, and we bring our
bags inside of these fresh rocks.
Why not, I mean, we have plenty of them.
We'll probably discuss in our small reality
chat rooms, of course.

(52:44):
Well, maybe you know some of them.
And I like this one from the contest show.
What do you think?
I think it's great.
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and power to create a better future. Oh you role playing game. Sephiroth. Yeah y'all
appreciate that one. Sephiroth. Oh man. Speaking of which do you know there's a wrestling connection
to that game. Really? Yeah yeah yeah. Kenny Omega who is probably widely regarded as one
of the best wrestlers of his generation. Okay. And he fought for New Japan, he fought for

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AEW, one of the founders. You know what his finishing move was called? The Buster Sword?
The One Winged Angel. Oh nice nice a wrestling connection that's right. Right there. Well
cool well where were we in the show? Let's see we were talking about what I had seen.

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Oh Agatha. Agatha right and then oh yeah brother what you been watching? Oh my goodness well
I will make it relatively quick because I have not been I've been engaged watching Florida
State get thrashed weekend and week out. We can talk about that if you want to. That's
a little turn into a different show. Time to break out the forever garnet and gold t-shirts.

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Yeah the unconditional shirts which hey go Noles don't get it twisted it's just gonna
be a rough one so. No I watched a little show it's a cartoon that was sadly cancelled on
Netflix and after watching it I don't know why it's a really good show it's called Inside
Job. Okay. It's ultimately about a shadow government runs everything and it's a company called

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what is it? I don't know it's like the dark government they have a company that runs it
I forget what it's called. Umbrella Corp. Yeah whatever it is yeah but it's the shadow
government is a company and it's the main character Riley is pretty much the main scientist
there and it's her endeavors and there's a quirky cast of characters it's like an alien

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mushroom spore Bobby Lee of Tiger Belly fame plays like another scientist who's a drug
addict and they have a handsome intern a white dude who's super privileged who's not qualified
for the job but just gets it because he's so handsome. Okay. They have John DiMaggio
of Bender fame plays a hybrid human dolphin who is a war vet who was or a general who

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was a. Wait so he's a dolphin. Yeah he's a half dolphin half man he was he volunteered
or was voluntold. Dolph, Dolphuman? Yeah something like that. A hoofen? Yeah. We'll find it.
Yeah we'll find it. So yeah that's kind of like the cast of characters and let's see

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Christian Slater plays Riley's dad so it's got a Christian Slater of like gleaming the
cube fame. Yeah. Right on. I like how you pulled that for Christian Slater. Yeah so I don't
know it's and that's what it is it's you can tell that Rick and Morty when that came out
a lot of companies were trying to chase like we need a high concept sci-fi absurdist well

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sci-fi absurdist kind of comedy. Yeah. And this is Netflix's response to that granted
I don't know how long this was in production before Rick and Morty took off. Sure. But
you can tell me Rick and Morty had a pretty big impact pretty quick. I mean Rick and Morty
at this point has been on for six seven years something like that. More than that in terms
of it takes them longer to do. No no. Season but yeah but yeah I mean it's been on long

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enough now it's been like 10 years of Rick and Morty but this one was already came out
and then it got canceled and they did two seasons and I never watched it I think I watched
I'm always on the hunt for a good adult cartoon. I'll tell you this you got a couple episodes
to rope me in if not I'll bail real quick. Yeah. And Bojack Horseman I only stuck with
just because I knew a lot of people that really liked it but I wasn't quite hooked on the

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first episode and then I just kept watching kept watching before I knew it I really liked
that. The first season's not a slog but it definitely that the first season sets the
most character progression in terms of you have to the first episode the first couple
episodes are very slow but then but then by the last episode of season one it's built

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up to a full head of steam. Yeah yeah so I'm glad I stuck with that one but usually I don't
I'm not very I'll give you a couple bites at the apple and if I don't find it funny.
Sure. But this one wrote me in pretty quick in terms of like it's every government conspiracy
you ever think like lizard people exist like there's a flatter. Well that one may or may
not be true but like the it's it's the Illuminati runs things it's the shadow government and

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it's the company that I think is called in cog. Yeah. It's the name of the company and
so it's it's actually pretty fun Lizzie Kaplan of she was in the interview. Yeah she was
in the interview with James Franco the other reporter. Yeah she was she's the main character
and so it's actually a pretty good like high concept show it only got two seasons got canceled

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way too fast. I know it has a really like niche cult following and man I kind of wish
they had more episodes as it works pretty well. What. So what was it that that hooked
you in. Was it the animation style was it the storyline the characters is just quotable
like what's what's the. It's just again it's very it they use science as a way out to things

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they can set themselves in in plausible for their world scenarios being like oh we have
to go convince the lizard people that they know to keep supporting our funding. And so
I mean I don't say this where this isn't a derogatory thing like the main characters
definitely on the spectrum. And so she you know creates like a robot arms to hug people

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because you don't want to touch anybody not because they're lizards she's just like I
don't like. Right. Right. And so there's just interesting scenarios that you can really
only get into with this show unless you just pick a completely absurd show like Aqua Teen.
And so it kind of works in the sense of you know what everyone's role is you know their
flaws and just the idea of exploring the wacky conspiracy theories through a comedic lens

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of making fun of people but also giving these you know tinfoil hat people some credence.
It's just it's fun. And so it's just the world kind of works really quick. So kind of like
like what if we just take every conspiracy theory and give it just some semblance of
credibility like it still gives you the freedom to like play around with you know that's not

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really true or this aspect isn't isn't really part of it but it still gives you a little
bit of like yeah but what if it was just slightly factual. Yeah. And like the chemtrails and
stuff or is something that they play with controlling the weather things like that.
And so it's just it bodes well. You can definitely see the Rick and Morty influence in terms
of like I said it's trying to be we need a high concept adult animated show cyber high

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concept sci fi adult animated show. Right. And so it works. I mean I guess the formula
works and for more than just Rick and Morty. And so I don't know just kind of it plays.
But again it's only two seasons so I ran through it was like damn. And actually I could have
got into that more. I could have. I don't know why that one didn't take off. That's unfortunate.
Yeah. And it's it's definitely it's it's got its own tone. It's not overly vulgar. They

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do shock value things but it's not all shock value like Paradise P.D. which I kind of like.
You know there's some it's not just gross out humor. Again it's it's smart in some ways.
Sometimes Rick and Morty is a little too smart for its own good in the sense of like how
Bojack by the end of it I'm watching it like damn dude I'm just trying to watch a cartoon.

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And now you got me all fucked up thinking about the conceptual things just not even
sci fi concepts but life concepts that I don't really want to deal with right. I was just
trying to watch Dick and fart jokes and also caught up in this existential crisis of like
well am I a good person. Yeah. What does humanity mean. Like what is existence. I can't Neil

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deGrasse Tyson help me. Yeah. So it's it's not so much of that. There are character arcs
and the fact of like people learning about each other but it's pretty well wrapped up
within the 22 minutes or whatever it is. So you get a lot of the again the sci fi antics
without all the pulling of the emotional strings. So it's like a diet version of like I just
want to see the wackiness we can get into with an unlimited budget and a mad scientist.

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So I dig it. You know so for sure. Yeah. So it's a fun show that I recommend it is called
inside out it's on Netflix. I will give it one eye on the top of the dollar bill inside
a pyramid. Oh yeah. Interesting. Like that man. OK. OK. But yeah. Other than the side
note just I got into one of those conversations you get you get into at work you know where

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like people like hey so do you believe in any conspiracy theories. And I responded as
I usually do like I love a good conspiracy theory like if you can weave a web of intrigue
and coercion and cooperation that makes sense like I love a good conspiracy theory. I hate

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bad conspiracy theories. I hate them. So as I'm describing this to the person that asked
all of a sudden my coworker comes in. Oh did you guys hear about the Illuminati and how
Rihanna is part of it and they're all trying to subjugate your mind and it's all backwards
recordings and da da da da da. And I just walked away slowly like Homer fading into

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the shabby. Made the right call. I had to look at my coworker Sam and just give her
a little salute like you see what you got yourself into. Like sorry but I can't be wrapped
up in this. You're on your own. Bye. Yeah. No that's the smart thing to do. It's whether
it's true or not even if it's true it's I don't want to have this conversation. Right.

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What are we doing about it. I have neither the crayons nor the time to explain to you
how stupid this is or even my again even if what you're saying is a thousand percent true
like what are you going to do different now. Now burdened with this knowledge that you
give me that I'm right subjugated by a secret society that wants me to do whatever their
bidding is like now what and you're going to do what with this information. How do you

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fight that. That's my issue with a lot of the nut jobs or whatever or some people call
them nut jobs. They might they may be speaking truth they might. My only thing is I can't
stand when somebody I'm just going to use them as an example which like an Andrew Tate
whose whole platform is just like oh you're you're all sheep and you're plugged into the
matrix and did it. But I figured it out because I just I eat elk meat and I work out 20 times

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a day and I just treat women like shit. No I'm just saying or anybody who's just all
if their whole message is we're all sheep and we're all plugged into the matrix and
blah blah blah blah blah and you need to unplug and all they're doing is pointing out things.
I don't want to hear it dude. Right. And it's not because you're hurting my feelings I'm
not so sensitive to you're allowed to your opinions even if they're even if they're a
hundred percent factual. My question is is like OK what are we going to do about it until

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you start talking a plan of action. And that's why I listen to people like dead prayers and
stuff like your hip hop really does influence me is like OK you say or your talk about like
in their whole premise they talk about like oh people talk about they're being gangsters
or people talk about having these wild ideas of revolution or whatever it may be like you
ain't even put a clothes drive together. You can't even you know acquire free food for

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your own community and you're talking like big picture. What are you doing. And so I
want to topple the government but you have no idea how to organize a community. You just
want to know you have no idea no concept of like yeah I'm just going to take all my money
out of the bank. Like OK that does nothing like yeah go ahead unless we are all going
to take our money out of the bank. That does nothing to the bank. But if your whole if

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your whole sales pitch is one of an air of superiority because you figured out that the
road that they are programming us and we're like good for you. That that's your sales
pitch is you just identify that you have some air of superiority that you can talk to people
any way you want now. Like get the fuck out of here. Like what's the plan then dude. OK.
You have one. OK. All you got to do is just look at the numerology right like Biden's

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last speech had nine hundred and eighty eight words in his speech. And if you break down
nine plus eight divided by eight that comes out to thirty six and number thirty six on
the numerology scale is change and deception. So that means he's trying to see us like all
right. All right. Yeah. It's like what's your what's your point. And that's all in
time. If you just your message is to point out that we're all sheep. OK. We're all sheep.

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You're right. Now what. Even if I accept and I give you what you're saying you're right.
I'm plugged in and I should not be on the Internet which is funny because I'm watching
you on a platform which comes from the Internet. But OK. Sure. Let's unplug entirely. Then
what. Oh yeah. You don't have a plan. You just want to spew your nonsense just so you
can be heard. OK. Yeah. Goodbye. Goodbye. That's my issue. I had a brief conversation

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with a friend of mine who was kind of having an existential crisis in terms of like exactly
what you're talking about. You know like what if I am just a brain in a jar or if I'm plugged
in the matrix or whatever. And my response to him was like OK let's say that that's absolutely
factual. Let's say that's 100 percent the case. You're still in this reality that we

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exist even if it's a simulation are still going to have to wake up go to work pay your
bills find somebody to you know that makes you happy and doesn't frustrate you and you
don't want to choke out for the rest of your life build some semblance of a social life
because we're all you know social animals and we need interaction. So how even if you're

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a brain in the jar right now how does that change your tomorrow. Like if I wake up tomorrow
and I'm a brain in the jar I have a whole new set of priorities. That doesn't do me
any good waking up in this reality. Yes. So even if it's a simulation play the simulation
to the best of your ability dude. Yeah. Get us get the highest score possible. No I feel

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you. It's I just I can't stand when people just spew conspiracy. He's got no social security
card he's going off grid. Yeah. Yeah. So anyways that we are the only reason we brought all
that up is because of the inside job show that we were talking about the conspiracy
theories and stuff. So it is it is fun that to watch those things get made fun of in a
certain light and being like it's true but it's not the way you think it is. Sure sure

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sure. It's fun though. The only way the show I've been watching recently is I've been watching
the league on it's an old show on FX. Oh yeah yeah yeah. It's about a fantasy football. Sure
that's got Paul Shear and Jason Manzoukas and Nick Kroll. Yeah yeah yeah. I forget the
other guy's names but yeah something Schaeffer and whatever Jesse Schaffer or something like

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that. Yeah yeah yeah. I think that's right. Yeah. It's a funny show though man. It's a
good show. It's you don't have to know anything about fantasy football or football. That was
going to be my question. Yeah you don't. I mean you just know that when they're talking
about a player they go oh I have to get at the time Chris Thompson and it's like he's
a star. They're obvious. It's all the same thing. They're talking about NFL player. You

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could fill in a fake name and the jokes and the premise would still work. Trust me this
Aaron Hernandez is going places. Right right right. Stuff like that. So he's going places.
Yeah but it's yeah he did. But it's more just about how these friends mess with each other
in the league and try to get in each other's heads. And it's just that's the framing device
just to hang out with these characters and just for them to give each other a bunch of

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shit for 30 minutes. It's a fun show though man. It was one of the few FX shows that really
started to kind of push the envelope for FX in terms of it did a lot of they didn't really
have a lot of hits at the time to really call their own in terms of that was one of their
first branches into like a true raunchy adult comedy. Because at the time FX was just doing

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like reruns and stuff like that. A lot of doing like movie of the week type stuff. Yeah
and they didn't really have a tremendous amount of original shows. They had some here and
there. They had a couple but it was later before stuff like Snowfall came. But even
then it was like reality TV stuff. Yeah. Like Joe Schmo and shit like that. Right. So no
but it's a good show man. It still holds up. I mean granted the players have changed in

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terms of like who they're talking about is irrelevant. But again that's not the point
of the show. You can almost plug in any other name and it still counts. I have to get this
particular player because scores. Yeah I'm going to trick him into making me trade that
or I'm going to do something get dirt on him because he has a secret. I'm going to pick
something random like a foot fetish and I'm going to unleash these photos of his feet

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fetish to a website and he's a doctor and he'll lose his job. But I won't do that if
you trade me blank player. Right. Or you know and so it's them just really manipulating
each other as people to try to win this league. So it's naturally well set up again it's one
of FX is like original like raunchy forays in a raunchy adult comedies. So it kind of
set the standard for that. But it's kind of underrated show. It's pretty damn funny. Not

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not all of them are home runs but they do have some moments that are really really funny.
Interesting. OK. OK. So what do you rate it. I will rate it one ghost monkey. Oh yeah.
One singular ghost monkey a singular ghost monkey not one and a half. OK. He haunts
the people. Now it is a funny episode like there's a guy taco. He's kind of the local

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idiot. OK. He plays he writes all these silly songs and they're randomly interjected in random
episodes he'll write a song about. He does a couple of raps on there about nonsense and
he goes to a petting zoo and he ends up stealing the monkey. OK. And because he can't he's
an idiot. But somehow the ladies love him also. You just can pretty much walk up to anybody

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and be like in any bar and just go pull a lady into the bathroom and then you know or
he gets pulled into the bathroom by a lady or whatever like the Barney from like How
I Met Your Mother. Yeah yeah kind of thing. Yeah yeah. But he ends up killing the monkey
and so the whole episode is on Halloween and he or he thinks he killed the monkey and that
he thinks that the monkey is haunting the league now. Oh yeah. So it's just like silly
things like those monkey. Yeah. He writes a song about it. They don't go boo they go

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manana manana manana. That's pretty good. Anytime Michael gives a catchphrase to an
animal what does the monkey say. No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
man. So outside of that man I watched some things that we're going to talk about real
quick. I watched I rewatched Matt Reeves speaking of which who directed War of the Planet of

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the Apes. Oh yeah. I rewatched the Batman. Oh OK. Man I gotta say man that movie still
really holds up actually. I know it's only like two years old. I'm talking like three
decades old but I really like it though. I got to be real with you man and I know it
you do feel the runtime a little bit. Yeah for sure. But I'll say this man. Matt Reeves

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knows his way around a damn story man. He directed War of the Planet of the Apes as
well. What we were talking about earlier. And Dawn. He didn't do the first one. He did
the one about the rise. Oh yeah yeah. The second one was Dawn. He did the second and
third one. But yeah and so he's doing this and he's the executive producer of the Penguin
show which he was pitched to do by a female writer who came I forget her name I'm not

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trying to just say it like that but I forget her name. But yeah who pitched her to the
Penguin as well. So go back to the Batman movie. I really like this man. It's the one
aspect of Batman which I know we talked about. We did a deep dive on this when it came out
but it's the one aspect of Batman that we had yet to explore in the movies with him
being the world's greatest detective. Sure sure. Instead of just relying on technology

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or whatever it was it was a real like detective noir story. Yeah and thematically it does
a really good job of in my honest to God opinion of I'm curious to see where the second movie
is going to take them. The Batman part two or whatever. Because at the end of the first

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one his whole goal is like I want to have an impact on the city. I want to make an impact.
And he realizes and I think one of the lines of dialogue he says I have made an impact
on the city just not the one I thought I did. Sure. Because his whole time that he's running
around being Batman they ask him who are you who are you. The one thing you always says
is I'm vengeance. I'm vengeance. I'm vengeance. I'm vengeance. When he finally bests the Riddler

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and when he's incarcerated in jail and he thought that well he thought that Batman was
a part of his plan which hang on on that put a pin in that. No no no. Yeah hang on a second
on that though. But when he bests all of all of his henchmen at the end that were inside
of the the arena the arena or whatever it's called the stadium and they unmasked the guy
that he almost beat to death. They asked him like the Riddler guy in the in the Riddler

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mask or whatever. The lackey. Yeah the lackey. They go who are you. And he goes he just smiles
he goes I'm vengeance. And it's like oh the the moment that Batman realizes that more
all he's been doing is trying to strike fear in people. And he realizes that fear only
begets more fear. It only breeds more fear and it makes more people more anxious and

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it breeds a certain kind of criminal and necessity in in Gotham. And even like when he saves
the guy in the very beginning of the movie when he's doing his monologue about I stroll
the nights they never know where I'm coming from. They always think I'm coming from the
shadows what they don't know. He walks up in the subway and the rain's dripping down
and yeah the dom dom. The Nirvana theme. Yeah and he he saves their they're letting their

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it's a you you join a gang that's about to have somebody initiated into the gang by jumping
somebody some random civilian of Gotham. And Batman comes and foils all their plans or
whatever in glory. Yeah. Vicious fashion violent fashion. And then when the gang all scurries
off the ones that are of able body do scurry off or get pulled away. The poor guy that

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was about to get jumped. The first thing he says is don't hurt me. Please don't hurt me.
Batman's like that's OK like I said I'm shocked like I'm not here. Yeah he doesn't say that
he just kind of moves on. He's like all right. But that kind of is is the one of the overarching
themes. And by the end of it he realizes that I've only bred more fear in the city. And
the pivot that he makes to realize like I was wrong. So he was wrong about two things.

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I like this movie because it works in the sense of the twist. There's a couple twists
for every character. One is Selena Kyle saying that Falcone was her father was like why is
this so personal to you. It's so implied that like oh did you have some sexual thing. What
do you have to do to get so close. He's always my dad. He owes me this money. I'm about to
steal from him. Right. And so that was a good twist. The other twist was him. He realizes

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that the Riddler. I just like the idea of Batman losing the day like he loses his he
won the battle but lost the day. Yeah. No he defeats the Riddler in the way he thought
but it was all according to the Riddler's plan. And when he realizes like this guy because
he even says at one point we're unfortunately we have to play the Riddler's game to see

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where this is going. And that's the only part that sucks. And so he he realizes in the end
that he's been used by the Riddler this whole time. Right. What he wants in the moment that
Paul Dano says like you did we work together. What are you talking about. Like we're going
to watch all this. You're here in the jail with me now. This is exactly like we planned.

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So I wanted to bring this dude into the light and you brought him literally into the light.
Yeah. And he's like I can't go down there and drag him out of here. I don't have the
muscles. I don't have what your power is. And so you like thank you for doing that.
We made such a good team. They're going to remember us. And he starts calling him. He's
like you're just a psychopath. You know I'm not worried. He's like what do you what do
you mean. Right. He's like you're here to watch it with me. He's like I'm not watching

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anything with you. And he freaks out. He's like no no no no no. Like this isn't supposed
to go like this. Right. He's like you're not as smart as I thought as you were. Where Batman
all of a sudden realizes like oh there is ulterior motives. Yeah. Going on here. It's
not just about revenge against Falcone. There is a much larger grander scheme going on here.

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And he realizes it literally seconds too late. Like as the bombs are going off and Gotham's
being flooded. No not quite then. He has time to go back and get the. But I mean yeah it's
too late though. The plans are already in motion. Right. And he says I want it's like
it's like in Watchmen. Like would I be so silly as to reveal my plan if there was any
inclination that you could ever alter it. I triggered the bomb 36 minutes ago. Yeah.

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Yeah. And so the idea that like I said when he realizes like oh man he's like I left all
the clues there for you to figure it's all there. And he left the carpet ply at the end
and he peels the carpet back and realizes that there's vans that have explosives in
them parked across the city. It's like oh it's too late. And he then has to pivot to
being what the city needs. And that's I really really really appreciate that. Not not just

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an avenging angel but a guiding light. Yes. And there's a lot. He literally sparks a flare
and leads people out of danger. You know through through the rubble through the devastation.
I mean there's that great overhead shot of you know him wading through the water and
there's just this stream of people like almost like following Moses through the Red Sea or

(01:18:25):
something like that. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a really really really well shot movie.
They are arguing that I do have problems with the movie. It's so well put together. I think
the length of it is a problem. And I think that unfortunately I hear what you're saying
about the Robert Pattinson Bruce Wayne having this turn at the end. I think he was very

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very single note throughout most of the movie like to the detriment like like almost as
if Robert Pattinson read you know the long Halloween and just listen to the cure or the
Smiths on a loop just the entire time being like my parents are dead. What does this mean.
I didn't bump up against that. I think sadness and darkness. Well I know everyone was complaining.

(01:19:14):
They're like you're going to get whiny little vampire boy. I'm like and Bruce Wayne isn't
that like this. Yeah. I didn't bump up. I did not have a problem with that because as much
as I dislike Robert Pattinson in the Twilight series I was a good actor. I don't think that's
his problem. I think that that was just the script problem. Yeah. He's a good actor. He's

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very capable for sure for sure. But no. So I don't know. I just to rewatch it to follow
the clues and everything like that even when they show like the opening shot of when he
goes into the iceberg lounge to drag Falcone out of there it shows the Riddler in the window.
Oh really. Yeah. You wouldn't notice it was him but you see him sitting up there or a
person sitting up there with like so they it's like he says it's all there and I didn't

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notice things like that. It's really cool man. That's interesting. And I really appreciate
a good detective story and even like especially with somebody like Matt Reeves who pays attention
to the details you know I mean like like he he doesn't just put something in his movie
just as a throw away or as fan service even if it's fan service it's still going to pay
off later in the end. Absolutely it is. So yeah I don't know. I just like the pivot in

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realizing now that he's been going about this all wrong and I'd be I'm interesting to see
just where he takes the character now and so in terms of the Batman I mean yeah yeah
so I'm really interested to see that in that continuation also just I like the idea of
the twist of like you still played the Riddler's game and the Riddler got what he wanted in
the end he just wanted you to be in the jail safe and watch it all go like he's like oh

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I've been helping you so much you've done so well. Right. Now sit with me and watch
his Rome burns. Yeah. We'll both play the fiddle. And like the idea of and just the writing
aspect of it and it seems convoluted but I think the more I watch it and more actually
really tried to pay attention to it like the idea of of how somebody got there as a writer
and this is something that maybe you can you have certainly far more writing prowess than

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I like the idea of writing backwards of going like making a list of all these characters
like what is Bruce what is Thomas Wayne. All right. Bruce's father won. He's dead. All
right. Well they say he's a philanthropic and great man and he was running for mayor.
OK. Well what would that look like. Well he's going to set up this multi-billion dollar
fund that's going to be called Gotham renewal and he's gonna. Sure. Now when he dies you

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then have billions of dollars which are unregulated which everyone every crime family every every
person can then utilize sure to then fuel whatever their empire is because it's an inherently
corrupt city where you can't transfer money in government without a leaky bucket. Yeah.
And so this you have an unlimited renewal and it was just a renewal of crime and the

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idea that that Matt Reeves had that idea and wrote like well what would happen with a trust
fund. Right. Right. Right. Imagine. Yeah it's almost as if like it's almost as if what happens
when a city has unlimited funds from a singular family and all of its unchecked and also as

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a flip side the one person who has access to all the money is actually trying to make
an make a difference in the city. Yeah. Well he says several times like I don't care about
that. I don't care about my father's legacy I don't care about any of that stuff. He's
like he's giving up on it. I don't care. That's not me. And I just mean that like the fact
that it is unregulated is the reason why he's able to do what he's do like oh yeah in some

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way like the corruption plays into his end game. Well he's not. I think he's Batman is
not being Batman on the renewal fund. Batman is being Batman from the leftover Wayne fortune.
Oh OK. Yeah because they say at one point like you can't continue to do this burning
through his burning. He's like there's not going to be anything left of the way because

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I think members of the board were coming at one point he's like I don't care. What do
you mean you don't care. It's your father's legacy. I don't care about my father's legacy.
This is this is the family legacy. This is what I'm doing. And obviously Andy Serkis
plays a phenomenal Alfred phenomenal Alfred. So I just dug it man. I think he does have
that line about like your father didn't build this legacy just so you could burn through

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it on your own personal vendetta like I'm butchering the man. Now something like he
says something to the fact of like the legacy that your father built matters more than your
own ego right now. And if you did they do have that great line in a weird way. Matt
Reeves kind of works it backwards. We're like why wouldn't Bruce Wayne just invest more

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time and money and funding into Gotham rather than like I built a tank y'all or like look
at my look at my state of the art fighter plane. Yeah yeah no it's it's good though
man I think I don't know if it's going to get the credit it properly deserves just because
it goes up against the Nolan trilogy but I like it a lot more in some ways to be honest

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I do too. I in a weird way like I like how it's so grounded in terms of like the Batmobile
that he builds. It looks like somebody it looks like something that somebody would build
in their garage just like oh I have access to you know a helicopter engine and I'm going

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to drop it into my Mustang and yeah it's going to be badass but that's going to be the thing
that I'm going to use to fight crime you know. Yeah no it's it's really cool man. I also
like the whole Rata a lot of plot line went on a little too long. That was ridiculous
but no no I'll say this though especially for the world's greatest detective you couldn't
determine like I've taken basic Spanish one and two and I still knew like oh it's not

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it's not El retada it's la retada because Spanish like that's just the foundation of
the language. Well well hang on I can argue that plot point. No you're right it was a
little bit weak but I won't argue that but the reason why is because it was you are L
you are L Rata a lot of it's the you are that's why he said L instead of a lot because they
were they were thinking of a website. Yeah no it was a website is what they missed so

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anyway the point being I don't mind them them using that whole plot line to get to the Penguin
because let's be real here this movie is so grounded in reality or they say reality that
you could almost substitute the Penguin for any other mob boss and it would work the same
but here's the thing though it's a Batman movie I want to see Batman in a pursuit against

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the Penguin like use these characters use this IP to get us there like and now whether
whether it's a scene that went on too long to get us there we now have an actual on film
like Batman pursuing the Penguin in the Batmobile those are boxes that I want to check in a Batman
for sure otherwise just call it like the crime of Gotham and it's just two people chasing

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each other inexpensive SUVs. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah it's Gotham yeah it's young
Bruce Wayne we're gonna kind of introduce characters but not really but now we have a
marquee villain going up you know going up against the Batmobile and like that's a box
I want to check in a Batman movie so I'm willing to you know the whole El Radeta a lot of thing

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did it go on too long? Radeta a lot of things. Whatever yeah a lot of things yeah whatever
it was did that go on too long yeah a little bit but it got me something that I needed
a box that I definitely needed checked in the process so which was a great sequence
and when we saw it we saw it in the THX the super loud theater oh yeah yeah yeah that
whole thing. Oh the Dolby theater. Yeah the Dolby theater yeah yeah singing THX the Star

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Wars my bad. Yeah the Dolby theater man that bad boy came to life so yeah big shout out
to that. When he starts up the Batmobile and you literally feel your seat rumbling you're
like oh it's almost too loud. I got like 12 horse or 12 or 12 12 valve V8 V12 whatever
I don't know I'm not a car guy. Michael's like a V8 juice and a V8 engine but now that's

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I like them that's all I wanted to say I rewatch it and to me I'm also really big on detective
stories I love a whodunit I love just watching the puzzle pieces fall together and I'll probably
rewatch that movie. That's a perfect example of that in terms of like like I said like
the detective noir where like it was a dark and stormy night and the air was heavy and

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thick with mystery and then she walked in all I could look at was her gorgeous gams
and then she told me her story and that was all I could you know it hits all those notes.
Yeah no definitely it does. I do like the fact that this parlays into the other thing
I wanted to watch or talk about watching is I watched the penguin episode 2. Dude if you
go back if you watch the show because I watched episode 1 and then I went back and watched

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the Batman and then I sat down and watched episode 2 it's the same character like the
penguin is very much so with his back against the wall is very even though he has a club
foot is very quick on his feet he's really greasy everyone knows that what they're saying
they can't trust this guy but like what he's saying is true though he always has something
out he's like I'm gonna kill you right now and he's like whoa whoa check I'm here to

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parlay I got these pictures of you being accosted by or you know you cheating on your wife or
whatever I went out I got these for you and really he 10 seconds ago he was about to blackmail
you with it. Sure. You know what I mean but now he's on yours. Now the shoe's on the other
foot he's like well I could have released these but I didn't. But I didn't. And I wanted
to bring them to you because I care about you and I wanted to. Yeah and so he's very

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quick and he's always got an angle he's a maybe a two bit hustler but he's very advantageous
and he's very and it's he does the same thing in the Batman movie which I appreciate that
now you brought up that la rata la el rata alada and the la rata alada he does something

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in that scene which he continues to do in the show and now what does he do after he
says don't you know the difference between el and la? He goes and doesn't that sound
like and immediately they are assuming that he is the rat with wings the stool pigeon
right he goes doesn't that sound like a bat and he immediately starts to put it on someone
else right and you don't you don't really notice that's because he only does it in that

(01:29:27):
one scene but he continues to do things like that where he shifts blame and defers. The
twist of like yeah is that really what we're talking about or is that your problem? Yeah
like I know you think it's me but what if it was this dude over here? Yeah and so he
immediately puts it on the Batman like lickety split just by noticing the difference and

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if you're wrong about this about el and la well then there's already one hole in your
whole argument here so let's let's parlay that into me getting out of here alive right
and it's a really subtle scene which I'm what else are you wrong about and also it can't
be me yeah now it can't be me because you said one thing wrong and therefore it cannot
be me all your arguments are null and void and he continues to do that in the show very

(01:30:10):
manipulative oh yeah yeah and he's continuing to do that in the show which is it's really
fun to watch so I'm I'm actually kind of glad they got a spinoff on this one so cool and
also just as a side note can we talk about how especially like I haven't seen the the
penguin show yet but in the Batman movie Colin Farrell disappearing underneath prosthetics

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it's incredible I mean you talk about disappearing into a character if you had not told me that
that was Colin Farrell underneath the makeup I never would have bought it because he uses
the perfect accent he's he I mean like like I said he disappears in the role like there
is no other way to put it he is so good and such a great character actor that he almost

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loses himself I mean he does he does I mean you can't sit in a chair for three and a half
hours putting on you know prosthetic fat suits and fake noses and cuts on them and get spray
painted to match the tone of the scenes for the day is the penguin more tired today we're
going to do this and then but but it's more it's more than that like for example like

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if you look at Tropic Thunder like less Grossman it's very obviously Tom Cruise under makeup
and although Tom Cruise does a great job of portraying that character it's still very
obviously Tom Cruise under makeup Colin Farrell disappears he is not Colin Farrell he is Oz

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Cobblepot in this you know it's in the way he speaks the way he carries himself the way
his cadence changes you know like it's it is a master craft of acting I mean he's he's
had some he was he went through a little bit of a douchey phase there for a while when
he first got money I think but he's open I mean I'm not saying anything out of school

(01:32:13):
I mean he had some substance abuse problems sure but hey look man I don't you know if
anybody knows me I'm certainly not judging you for that like but outside of that like
he would he was doing work just to get the money yeah yeah I think we can all agree on
that yeah I mean you everyone does to the daredevil the if you look at the daredevil

(01:32:33):
of it all yeah SWAT some other things sure sure sure sure Jeremy Renner's in that movie
so we're gonna tread lightly there plus LL Cool J plus you know anyways but um no he's
he's one of the best men he's a Oscar nominee for a reason man incredibly incredibly incredibly
talented yeah and it has the son that has Ingeman syndrome so big shout out to him for
that one too really yes yes yes so big shout out that's something very very personal to

(01:32:55):
us as well yeah for real so uh we'll I'll keep talking about the penguin as they keep
dropping them but I just wanted to say I appreciated now that I look back at the movie and then
watch the show I'm sorry yeah yeah to go back and forth between them I'm starting to see
things how that they carried over from the movie which is just little subtle things which
is awesome so good cool good good good um last thing what do you rate it oh I'll wait

(01:33:20):
so far so far well last last episode I rated it uh but that's the show the penguin I will
oh on the Batman real quick before we get off of this while we're still on the Batman
I love a dark brooding Batman we can all agree it's seminal to the character right I mean
it is kind of the whole crux of the Batman character is a man modern age it's a man who

(01:33:42):
can't get over his own trauma of his parents dying and what could I have what could I have
done in order to change my own fate can we though this is my request to Hollywood filmmakers
I'm not saying don't ground it in reality I'm not saying that you can still keep the
same brooding on Batman you don't have to change anything about the character I'm not

(01:34:03):
asking you to do Batman 66 keeping the trauma keeping the brooding the the technology the
I'm the only one who can do this because I've subjected myself to the training and the hardships
and all that yes that's all fine but can we lean into the fantastical of his villains
a little bit yes please like he has a I think in my opinion in terms of all-time comic book

(01:34:26):
hero rogues gallery yeah he's number one it's him then spider-man and then maybe the flash
I would argue well you know what I'm saying though but he's he's you could debate that
for sure his is top three almost unarguable his rogues gallery is so deep and so many
of them are so wacky I don't need everybody to be a crime boss you got it you got a dude

(01:34:47):
that's and I don't need some like oh he can he's a master prosthetic so he can go change
his appearance like no can I get an actual clay monster can I get a freeze gun named
mr. freeze can I get killer croc can I get like some of the more fantastic poison ivy
poison ivies of it all the kite man the polka dot king yeah calendar man the condom yeah

(01:35:09):
calendar man yeah absolutely like he has thousands and thousands like thousands like all of his
rogue gallery is like the best of late 80s early 90s wrestlers where it's all gimmicks
yeah dude and like I just need a crocodile dude I need a guy that turns himself on fire
I need a dude that you know throws polka dots and can change reality I need a dude who lives

(01:35:34):
in a cryogenic suit and like it's fine like we don't have to ground it all in like well
mr. freeze is he psychologically broken and that's why he's mr. freeze because he's psychopathic
and removed from all emotion like no just give him a freeze gun put him in a cryogenic
suit and let's go to town yeah give me mad hat or making hats like you can get and keep

(01:35:58):
the brooding keep the character the same just lean into the fantastical a little bit I'm
tired of everything being so grounded in reality that we're getting just this movie is going
to be even darker and grittier than before it's like that's cool more grounded in reality
and that and that's cool I appreciate obviously those movies work because they make tons of
money but my request is after we're done and take as much time as you need I like the world

(01:36:20):
what we're playing in now when we're done with the Matt Reeves thing let's lean into
some of the fantastic just a little bit I will say I will say we don't need to take
it into the Joel Schumacher version where it's so completely campy Batman operas pretty
much yeah exactly I mean like there's a way to do Bane that's a somewhere between the

(01:36:42):
Tom Hardy just like he's a dedicated mercenary that is just badass and can kill anybody and
also in between the Batman forever like Bane Venom like there's a there's a happy mix in
between that to where you could have a Bane that is also a tactical genius that also hits

(01:37:08):
a button and pumps himself up full of them make himself even more yeah dynamical or vicious
or credible as a as a villain like not only is he a criminal mastermind or a tactician
you know of Che Guevara style but also when he hits that button it's go time baby stop

(01:37:30):
him yeah right like it's like Ghostbusters right yeah I just I don't know man I just
how dark and gritty are we gonna go because he had like I said he has such a colorful
cast of villains that he goes against and I'm not saying we need again we don't need
Batman 66 but like we also don't need Arnold Schwarzenegger cracking like Cole Joe yeah
everybody chill yeah like I've mentioned it before you know like if you look at the animated

(01:37:53):
series you know Heart of Ice where it's just Mr. Freeze and he's totally removed and devoid
of emotion and he's just driven by he wants to resurrect his wife he's not doing it maliciously
he's not doing it he's just this is what I want and fuck everybody else who can I would

(01:38:14):
shed tears if I had tears to shed right right that's all I'm saying that's my request though
is just fucking how dark and gritty are we gonna go like instead of doing a clay face
that's like a chameleon or like the brilliant actor you know like I'm a dude disguised like
a dude give me a fucking claymore a failed actor he literally can just rearrange his

(01:38:35):
face and look like anybody yeah like I said just lean into it a little bit man that's
all I'm saying you got a colorful cast of rogue we don't need everybody cast by let's
see who would we cast his clay face oh oh Paul Walter housing oh I dig it yeah kind

(01:38:55):
of fat schlubby looking but a good actor really good wait wait no that's an actual good line
because he was a background actor for his entire life right and he always wanted the
spotlight right there's iterations of clay face but yeah but I'm just saying like in
the version that we're writing like he was always a background actor and all of a sudden
he gets dipped into like chemicals and he can look like anybody so why wouldn't he just

(01:39:20):
assume the role of Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise or whatever and just walk on set and be like
no that's me now yeah I don't know I mean there's a lot of ways to do that I just think
he's a good actor I could see him playing the torment of it really well so I don't know
it's my suggestion man but I agree yeah we should lean into the fantastical a little
bit more for sure like I say how grounded in reality are we gonna get it's like still

(01:39:42):
it's still a dude well it's still a dude dressed in a bat suit running around fighting crime
like agree with Catwoman in the ping it's like agree agree anyways that's all I got
we're beating a dead horse on that one but I will rate the Batman two different coded
cyphers oh yeah and our different ones two different ones my friend all right and on
the last thing we're gonna talk about here you saw Agatha all along I have see all the

(01:40:05):
episodes right I've seen the most recent episodes yeah what do you think man just real quick
I know we're gonna talk about it more when the series wraps but I mean I kind of mentioned
before I like how in the first episode they did the thing that I hated about every other
Marvel or I'm sorry they avoided the thing that I hated about every other Marvel TV show

(01:40:26):
where it was they spent so much time building the character and building the plot and building
the scenario that I lost interest I love that in Agatha all along by episode one you know
who the main villain is by episode two you know what she's trying to do she's on the
witch's road episodes three and four are a good continuation of that yeah you know it's

(01:40:51):
a little bit not villain of the month but it's trial of the week and it's like oh now
this week we need this which to be her fire protector and it's like all right exactly
like the whole point of them being on the road and they even establish this from the
first episode is our coven is going to have to encounter each one of our members of the

(01:41:12):
coven is going to have to encounter their own trials and ordeals so now we're in the
point in the story where every member of the coven is having to deal with their own trials
or ordeals and that's fine it's good filler episode but at least it makes sense right
you know like I'm not saying that these last two episodes were great because I think the

(01:41:33):
first two were amazing yeah agreed but at least they're advancing the story okay we've
gone through the potions which trial now we're going through the protection which trial next
one's gonna have to be the air or whatever it is the air yeah exactly you know like it's

(01:41:53):
trial of the week building up to now we're at the end of the road we all have to come
together as a coven how do we deal this also Agatha wants to fuck us all over and claim
the road for herself so how do we justify that yeah no I'm interested to see how it's
gonna play out I can get past the the trials of the week thing it's fine it's fine it's

(01:42:18):
it's whatever again if you're gonna do filler episodes it should be dedicated to one character
a week no I agree with that I agree with that for sure so I'm just I like that they're moving
the needle just a little bit in terms of like the big mysteries like who is the teen who
is Rio played by Aubrey Plaza who I think I like more than Michael but for sure she
not in this you can tell she's stretching the legs in terms of acting but maybe not

(01:42:42):
in this role but she just the thing she's done recently she's really in my opinion but
you don't pay attention enough to her so no I mean just as far as it goes like she's still
she's still doing the Aubrey Plaza thing which is just like disenfranchised kind of gothic
chick but I'm here for it personally sure just I've never really seen anything with

(01:43:08):
her where it's been like oh she totally blew my mind on her acting range you know Ingrid
Goes West her and Liz Lizzie Kaplan no no no not Lizzie Kaplan the other one the Scarlet
Witch oh Elizabeth Olsen yeah yeah yeah that's a good one but yeah no I dig it man I'm very
I have some theories if you want to share by this by the time I think they announced

(01:43:32):
in this one that teen is not because I think it was supposed to be Agatha is your Agatha
that's your son is what they're trying to say that they can't try to hint at it yeah
they keep trying to hint at it and Rio said that's not your son and so I think it's Billy
I think it's Wiccan to be honest with you I think it's the Scarlet Witch's son oh my

(01:43:52):
thoughts and I think that Rio is actually death as they said like and I get my bodies
at the end wait wait like like Thanos enamored with death death like lady death okay yeah
okay because at the end she's like because when there's little clues that like I think
Agatha thought that the teen was her son still and he had the glass in his like stomach or

(01:44:13):
whatever he was bleeding out or whatever and she looked directly at her and said like not
yet right not yet see here's like there's little thing so I think she's lady death I
do and there's little clues to it in terms of like with the hot mic thing that they did
she's like and I get my bodies so and that's why I think she wants her at full power is

(01:44:35):
like you could have killed me at any time when I was weak because that never made sense
to me and like why wouldn't you if you just hate her this much but oh in terms of their
relationship yeah their relationship she's like you let me get my purple back then you
can take me it's like I think I think it's a weird barter see here's my theory okay and
it might be a stretch but I think that Aubrey Plaza is Agatha younger version on the road

(01:45:03):
because we've already established that Agatha already rock or we've already established
that Agatha walked the road already once yeah so I think that Aubrey Plaza is Agatha on
the road the first time okay which is why they feel so attracted to each other but Aubrey

(01:45:24):
Plaza keep putting it off like no we can't like I know you hate me like I think that
and again you talked about how she has that line the teenager is not your son or he's
not your son whatever it's Aubrey Plaza's son because at that point if she gave up her

(01:45:47):
son to Mephisto or to the devil or whatever then officially it's not her son that's a
good point that's a good point very well could be I know we're talking in vague no no no
we don't know yet so we're gonna we're gonna probably by the time this comes out people
are gonna be exhausted but I think that's a good theory though I don't know I just I
like the show where it's going again it's it's not my favorite of the Marvel show so

(01:46:09):
far but also got to say this all the people out there I've joined a Facebook group and
this just turned into a bunch of whiny dudes they're just if it's not some muscle bound
men like ransacking off but no they're like I thought this was supposed to be good like
all I gotta say is one you don't have to watch it and two it is good well yeah yeah it is
good well no that's what I'm saying is one if you don't think so you don't have to watch

(01:46:31):
it you can you can bail on it and secondly the people that are like oh the whole Marvel
woke thing we're over it blah blah blah and I'll just only touch on this very briefly
just to let you all know out there the comic book medium especially between DC and Marvel
has always and I do mean always since their inception been incredibly socially progressive

(01:46:53):
yep all of them all right Marcus it's almost as if like Superman is an allegory for Jewish
immigrants in America who to thunk or like X-Men is like maybe kind of the civil rights
but also maybe a little bit of like gay right gay rights or like you know you know yeah

(01:47:16):
there's tons kind of like if you if you look at all of your anti-heroes like the Punisher
like oh maybe they're not what the police and military should look for in terms of you
know heroes yeah hey if you're in if you're a police force and you have a Punisher sticker

(01:47:37):
on your car right now fuck you you either don't understand what Punisher means or you
don't understand what it means to be a cop very good point so yeah so the people that
want to get mad at them for being woke just please know this even before they were TV
shows even before they were movies Marvel and DC have always been very liberally progressive

(01:48:00):
yep just letting you know so for them to not do that in TV shows which by the way I don't
think putting six women in a cast makes it a woke show I think it's just the fact that
they have six women leads who happen to be witches I'm smart enough to be able to separate
that but I'll say this they would be doing the source material a grave disservice if
they did not transfer some of those things into a new medium so politely please understand

(01:48:24):
that and I know most politely go fuck yourself yeah yeah that too go fuck yourself so that's
all I gotta say man you're upset like oh the fucking women honey honey and then this thing
they'll be like I just don't like women it's the women in the lead and then you give them
some you could just stop that sentence halfway through I don't like women well it's funny
because then they act all butch like they're the most heterosexual thing ever right and

(01:48:48):
they're because they're they're too straight to go watch women be on camera but then it's
like you get somebody who's objectively very beautiful like Scarlett Johansson and then
they still got a problem with that so it's like you don't want to watch this she's looking
kind of fat lately why don't mean even just the looks and whatever but they'll just they'll
find a problem with the movie so it's like you would rather watch a oily muscled up man

(01:49:09):
as your lead than some hot chick kicking ass staring at the camera hitting I mean it's
in the contract striking all these sexy superhero poses and you're like get out of here with
this woke crap like bro and then you want to sit here and convince I just want to see
Chris Evans being America's ass yeah exactly what and then you want to sit here sounds
kind of gay bro talk about your heterosexuality man and woke progressiveness fuck up out of

(01:49:32):
here dude anyways that's all I gotta say which again nothing wrong with you're attracted
to those things I can at least admit it but it's just it's ironic to me though but know
what you're talking about like like come to me with some semblance of like I've actually
read the material as opposed to like I've based my entire life on the Marvel series
and I only like Hemsworth muscled up oiled up Chris Hemsworth as my lead like I listen

(01:49:57):
to Joe Rogan podcast every time it comes out and I eat elk meat put on my dick yeah so
I don't I just always find it funny it just they would be doing any for they would be
doing the source material a grave disturbance and I try to push the envelope socially so
whatever it's funny to me though that's all we got for this episode though unless you

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got something you want to talk about any more on Agatha all along or just keep checking
in on it yeah I'm gonna reserve my review until I actually see it but I'm going to give
the episode so far a very interesting winding witches road well done I will give it to Dorothy

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skips that our plaza pulls off when she first arrives on the road she does he has to skip
real quick I kind of like that so anyways man that's all I got so for those of you out
there still with us we appreciate you rocking with us for these two hours almost and I'm
just just know that I think you should go watch a movie and talk about it with somebody

(01:51:04):
that you love on the witches road.

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Episode #76 Conspiracy Theories, Mini-Vampires, and Dark Vengeance

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